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Furcal Needs More Than Two Days Off
2006-04-27 07:34
by Jon Weisman

I've never been a doctor ... but I've been a patient once or twice. So I'm using that experience as my right to comment on Dodger shortstop Rafael Furcal's condition.

Time and again, more often than not, we've seen the benefits of letting Dodgers heal and the detriments of them playing hurt. We're not talking about the sniffles, here. We're talking about real pain. In recent years, Adrian Beltre is perhaps the only Dodger - out of so, so many - who thrived while hobbled.

What exactly is the argument that Furcal doesn't need more than two days off?

"I'm frustrated because I try to get healthy and something every day starts bothering me," Furcal told Allison Ann Otto of the Press-Enterprise. "My shoulder, forearm, finger, back. Everything."

Steve Henson of the Times wrote that Furcal has been getting better - sort of:

Nagging injuries to his right shoulder and the middle finger on his left hand have contributed to Furcal's slow start with the bat as well as the glove. He is batting .202 and is hitless in his last 14 at-bats. He has scored 14 runs largely because he has drawn 13 walks.

"The team needs me on base, and I don't feel right," he said. "So I'm taking more walks."

The finger injury — which he said is all but healed — has been especially bothersome when batting.

"I couldn't hold the bat with two hands," he said. "I couldn't finish my swing."

He believes the shoulder injury was caused by altering his swing because of the sore finger. Furcal's physical problems began before the season when he had minor knee surgery that forced him to begin spring training late.

Whether or not this is the end of Furcal's injury troubles or the middle, once again I wonder why Dodger players and staff can't see that trying to excel in this sport while injured can be so misguided. Certain injuries lead inevitably to diminished performance, diminished performance leads to compensating for the injury, compensating for the injury leads to another injury.

The Dodgers are certainly more educated about physical and medical matters than I, but it is decidedly not showing.

I'm sick of anti-sick day bias.

Update: Old school mindsets die hard. From Kevin Kennedy at

I read the other day that Washington's John Patterson is going to miss a start with soreness in his forearm. Several pitchers have had a similar complaint this season. I don't know whether these guys are spending too much time in the weight room or they're simply reporting every little ache and pain.

I would never question another man's injury, but I know that guys years ago seemed to tough it out more and often refused to come out of the lineup. Maybe they feared for their jobs then because they didn't have long-term contracts and guys who went on the DL sometimes never came off ... at least not with the same team. But there's a big difference from being hurt and just sore, and playing through pain. When we had the A's Eric Chavez on our XM show the other day he told us that he flat-out loves to play and wants to be in the lineup. He feels it's his responsibility as the leader of the team and he will continue to play through pain whenever necessary. Look at Cal Ripken, Jr. Do you think he never had pain or minor injuries during his great consecutive game streak? Ripken obviously felt an obligation to play. He wasn't about to come out of that lineup.

Amazing. Obviously, some ailments are not significant, but it doesn't seem to occur to Kennedy at all that these "little" aches and pains might affect performance.

And how long has it been since the free agency era started?

Comments (198)
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2006-04-27 08:04:16
1.   Howard Fox
we seem to have a continuing problem with our trainers and physicians
2006-04-27 08:09:30
2.   GoBears
I made this comment late last night in the previous thread, but it's actually more relevant here:

Don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but Will Carrol (Under the Knife on BP) reports that Cesar suffered a big setback in his rehab. He wonders if it might not just be a case of CF-itis, but anyway says no Cesar before mid-June.

2006-04-27 08:17:57
3.   Inside Baseball
Jon, you are right on about Furcal, the Dodgers have to allow his body the opportunity to get right. A week or two without him now is well worth it if it means he comes back stronger.

Personally, I'd add Jeff Kent to the list of Dodgers who need more than two days off. He hasn't looked right to me since he got hit in his triceps. I don't think he needs as much time as Furcal to recuperate but I'd bite the bullet and sit him too at least through this weekend's series. We need both of them at 100% if we are going to do anything this year.

2006-04-27 08:26:02
4.   Steve
Rafael Furcal is such a marshmallow.
2006-04-27 08:30:15
5.   Marty
Sometimes he's a toasted marshmallow.
2006-04-27 08:37:14
6.   Icaros

Don't forget about his terminal case of BB-itis.

2006-04-27 08:40:40
7.   Marty
6You don't walk off the DL
2006-04-27 08:53:44
8.   Bob Timmermann
Now we get a Google ad for a doctor who specializes in repairing scapulas.

That's what I think. It seemed like a very odd specialty.

2006-04-27 08:55:19
9.   Icaros

Or the DR.

2006-04-27 09:08:20
10.   Vishal
[9] or venezuela, apparently.
2006-04-27 09:19:33
11.   DodgerDodger
I know that I personally have no such scrupples about taking several sick days in a row. Hangnail? Sick day. Sniffles? Sick day. Dyspepsia? Sick day.

Perhaps that explains why they're major league ballplayers and I'm a lowly mouse-jockey... But at least I'm a mouse-jockey without lingering performance-decreasing ailments.

2006-04-27 09:23:28
12.   Jon Weisman
8 - I fractured my scapula diving for a ball in softball 15 years ago. Weird coincidence.

11 - The commenter so nice, they named him twice.

2006-04-27 09:23:36
13.   Bob Timmermann
I think a big batch of amphetamines would make everybody feel better.
2006-04-27 09:26:11
14.   DodgerDodger
13 - New Dodger slogan: Think Greenies
2006-04-27 09:27:54
15.   Icaros

For the record, I knew he wasn't Dominican. The joke just worked better that way, and sometimes that's what is most important.

2006-04-27 09:39:55
16.   Vishal
i knew you knew! i just wanted to chime in, and close the loop.
2006-04-27 09:43:32
17.   Bob Timmermann
Loop, dude.


2006-04-27 09:47:06
18.   ImChuck
But like many of us, we don't goto the doctors until it is too late. In the back of our mind, we think injuries will naturally heal sooner or later. Ballplayers think no differently.
2006-04-27 09:48:56
19.   Vishal
lemurs, man, lemurs.
2006-04-27 09:55:40
20.   Bob Timmermann

Speaking of that, I was surprised to see a message from Kaiser in my email Wednesday, the day after I took a cholesterol test. They sent me a link to the results (I had to log in obviously). I'm almost below the Mendoza line!

My cholesterol level and Rafael Furcal's batting average are nearly identical!

2006-04-27 09:58:52
21.   D4P
Derek Lowe might be another Dodger who "thrives while hobbled." Evidently, he actually pitches better when he's tired than when he's at full strength, because he throws harder at full strength (and gets less sinking action in the process).
2006-04-27 10:13:42
22.   Eric L
This is what I don't understand about the "man up, nancy boy!" crowd...

For the sake of argument, an injured Furcal is no better than a healthy Oscar Robles right now. If you are going to get similar production from them, let Furcal get healthy. It will help the team more in the long run.

2006-04-27 10:14:08
23.   Jon Weisman
21 - I've heard that speculated, but I need someone to show me the proof.

As far as Kent goes, he isn't acknolwedging any discomfort - not that I'm saying he would - so it's harder for me to speculate about whether he needs rest or is just in a bad slump. He certainly looks weak at the plate, though he smoked a line drive in the ninth last night that could have helped the Dodgers toward a miracle rally.

2006-04-27 10:16:37
24.   Jon Weisman
22 - exactly. It's like, well, Pedro Martinez after 120 pitches is no more effective than ...
2006-04-27 10:21:16
25.   Eric L
24 Even more confusing is that Little is being so careful with Drew.
2006-04-27 10:21:40
26.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
So, where's the part when Otto and Henson ask the trainers for comment?
2006-04-27 10:26:32
27.   Kayaker7
20 LDL or HDL? ;-)
2006-04-27 10:27:24
28.   Icaros


2006-04-27 10:31:11
29.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The last time I got my cholesterol level tested, about three years ago, it was in the 200s.
Since then, I've solved the problem - by not getting my cholesterol checked again.
2006-04-27 10:35:01
30.   Jon Weisman
I believe I've documented my cholesterol battles sufficiently in the past.

In May 2004, the bad was in the 200s. Following a bitter reduction in hamburger and candy bar consumption and an increase in instant oatmeal, I knocked it down to 130 in May 2005.

I'm due to see if it was a fluke.

2006-04-27 10:37:18
31.   Kayaker7
My total cholesterol used to be in the 150's when I was caught up in the low fat craze. I really used to be into fitness. But since I started eating more fat and protein, it has been 180-200. But I'm not worried, because my HDL is about 85.
2006-04-27 10:39:50
32.   Bob Timmermann
52 HDL
128 LDL
385 OBP
2006-04-27 10:41:40
33.   Kayaker7
30 I know instant oatmeal is very convenient, but the old fashioned slow cooked oatmeal is better for you. Much lower in glycemic index (speed at which it is converted to blood sugar).
2006-04-27 10:42:04
34.   Bob Timmermann
Also the drop in cholesterol was achieved through the good efforts of the American pharmaceutical industry since it didn't seem to matter what I ate.
2006-04-27 10:44:12
35.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
34 - Better living through chemistry, or PEDs?
2006-04-27 10:45:27
36.   Icaros

385 OBP

That was yesterday's thread, Bob. We've finished boasting about our "baseball" exploits for the time being.

By the way, I'm slugging around .525 this week.

2006-04-27 10:48:55
37.   Bob Timmermann
I'm always a day late and three Euros short.
2006-04-27 10:50:39
38.   Daniel Zappala
The longer you're married, you tend to have fewer ABs but a homerun every time.
2006-04-27 10:50:41
39.   Icaros

Really? I figured someone as tall as you could see over today and into tomorrow.

2006-04-27 10:52:16
40.   Bob Timmermann
So I suppose I shouldn't link this story from on The Griddle:

2006-04-27 10:57:26
41.   Icaros

LOL. The headline is the best part.

2006-04-27 11:22:32
42.   blue22
28 - HDTV

OT, but I was wondering if anyone had any advice for a DirecTV user looking into HD with Tivo?

2006-04-27 11:29:35
43.   Bob Timmermann
We had a topic?
2006-04-27 11:31:19
44.   blue22
Not related to your cholesterol levels nor Rafael Furcal's finger.
2006-04-27 11:31:34
45.   Xeifrank
Good thing Izturis is on the mends.
vr, Xei
2006-04-27 11:34:22
46.   Linkmeister
40 Oh, bleah. I haven't scored a game in years, but doing it with a PalmPilot or equivalent? That's just asking for carpal tunnel syndrome.

I used to draw vertical lines for innings and horizontals for players in spiral notebooks while listening to Vin and Jerry on KFI.

2006-04-27 11:38:08
47.   Jon Weisman
Alex Belth wrote a great article on once and future Yankee Stadium.

2006-04-27 11:47:03
48.   Bob Timmermann

Not according to Will Caroll. He says Izturis is still a ways off from returning.

2006-04-27 11:51:35
49.   Fallout
>>>Steve Henson of the Times wrote that Furcal has been getting better - sort of:<<<

Also at the bottom of that article is an interesting response from Navarro after Little talked to him about pitch that was not blocked and allowed runners to advance.
"There isn't a catcher in baseball who can block a 94-mph fastball that's out of the strike zone like that one," he said.

I don't think Little wants to hear that from a 22 yr old rookie catcher.

2006-04-27 11:54:36
50.   Icaros
I don't think I want to hear that from any catcher.
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2006-04-27 11:57:41
51.   blue22
49 - A little effort and form would've been nice, even if it didn't get blocked.
2006-04-27 12:06:32
52.   Icaros
At least he isn't Angel Pena...yet.
2006-04-27 12:16:14
53.   Jon Weisman
Is the site refreshing slow for anyone besides me?
2006-04-27 12:17:10
54.   al bundy
Interesting article that's not linked at The Griddle. But I'll wager that Bob breaks down and ends up linking it.

I learned how to keep score from my best friend's mom, of all people. She was fanatical about it and never left a Dodger game early. Even when she knew she'd be stuck in Dodger stadium traffic with 3 obnoxious teenagers for the long ride back to Calabasas. In retrospect I wonder if that says something about the mindset of a person who keeps score. It certainly speaks to determination and single-mindedness. I always loved the fact that she never left early. I don't see her using a palm pilot to keep score though, or wanting to. The scorecard and program are such a large part of the score-keeping experience.

2006-04-27 12:18:33
55.   al bundy
No problems here. How refreshing.
2006-04-27 12:26:10
56.   Icaros
I have personally viewed Bob's scorebook. What's most interesting is how he draws a small portrait of each player next to his respective name in the lineup. A nice touch, indeed.
2006-04-27 12:38:25
57.   gcrl
scoring etiquette query:

do you color in the diamond on all runs scored, or just home runs?

2006-04-27 12:40:09
58.   regfairfield
57 I do all runs, makes it much easier to find runs scored.
2006-04-27 12:42:18
59.   Fallout
57 gcrl

All runs as regfairfield said.

2006-04-27 12:50:06
60.   Bob Timmermann
I just complete a diamond to show a run scored and then write the number of the run in the center.

I don't draw small portraits of the players. I actually make lithographs.

2006-04-27 12:52:54
61.   Bob Timmermann changed the headline on the article to:
"New software makes scoring fun again"

You mean it wasn't fun before? Why the heck did I drag that scorebook with me wherever I went?

2006-04-27 13:02:07
62.   Steve
"New software makes scoring fun again"

Isn't this the sort of thing that belonged in yesterday's thread?

2006-04-27 13:02:51
63.   Fallout
61 Bob Timmermann

It looked cool when you carried it in your briefcase.

2006-04-27 13:08:25
64.   Bob Timmermann
I don't own a briefcase.
2006-04-27 13:11:35
65.   Fallout
Maybe you should get one. :)
2006-04-27 13:12:24
66.   regfairfield
Bob, where do you get your scorebooks from?

I found some perfect ones at Sportmart six or seven years ago that had tons of space, and didn't waste room by giving 20 spots in the batting order, but I haven't seen them since?

Where can you get a good scorecard from?

2006-04-27 13:15:47
67.   Bob Timmermann
I use a Bob Carpenter Scorebook.

You can order them at

And I think Bob Carpenter himself (the Nationals TV announcer) handles a lot of the orders himself. At least when I got one last year, he told my brother in the press box in St. Louis that I had ordered one from him.

Good thing he only sells scorebooks.

2006-04-27 13:19:36
68.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I've been using the scoresheets that came with the Pursue the Pennant dice game I bought back in '87 or so. They work well enough.
2006-04-27 13:24:18
69.   Jon Weisman
Via Baseball Primer, there's this from Kevin Kennedy on Fox Sports.

"I read the other day that Washington's John Patterson is going to miss a start with soreness in his forearm. Several pitchers have had a similar complaint this season. I don't know whether these guys are spending too much time in the weight room or they're simply reporting every little ache and pain."

"I would never question another man's injury, but I know that guys years ago seemed to tough it out more and often refused to come out of the lineup. Maybe they feared for their jobs then because they didn't have long-term contracts and guys who went on the DL sometimes never came off ... at least not with the same team. But there's a big difference from being hurt and just sore, and playing through pain. When we had the A's Eric Chavez on our XM show the other day he told us that he flat-out loves to play and wants to be in the lineup. He feels it's his responsibility as the leader of the team and he will continue to play through pain whenever necessary. Look at Cal Ripken, Jr. Do you think he never had pain or minor injuries during his great consecutive game streak? Ripken obviously felt an obligation to play. He wasn't about to come out of that lineup."

Amazing. It doesn't occur to Kennedy at all that these minor aches and pains might affect performance.

And how long has it been since the free agency era started?

2006-04-27 13:25:21
70.   regfairfield
67 That does look amazing.

I just don't know if I could drop 35 dollars on a scorebook.

2006-04-27 13:29:20
71.   Bob Timmermann
And how long has it been since the free agency era started?

30 years.

The history of baseball is built on layers upon layers of torn rotator cuffs, ruptured ACLs, and empty beer bottles.

2006-04-27 13:30:44
72.   Inside Baseball
23 It seems to me that Kent looks a lot different now at the plate than he did before he was first hit in the arm. On those rare stretches when he slumped last year, he seemed to swing and miss a lot more than he is now, an issue of not seeing the ball well and/or his timing being off. This current stretch seems to be more of a case of lack of strength in my opinion, lots of lazy fly balls. As you intimate, Kent is the prototypical old school baseball player who will play through any pain. I just am worried we could have a Shawn Green situation where machismo interferes with common sense and an injury is not immediately acknowledged or adequately addressed. Of course, you're also right that this is all just speculation. I was just wondering if other fans share the same concern or just chalk Kent's struggles up to the ups and downs of a long season.
2006-04-27 13:31:38
73.   Jon Weisman
72 - "I just am worried we could have a Shawn Green situation where machismo interferes with common sense and an injury is not immediately acknowledged or adequately addressed. "

Believe me, I have the same worry.

2006-04-27 13:33:45
74.   Xeifrank
The ScorePad program is pretty cool. Of course it costs anywhere from $39 to $169. I learned how to keep score when I was about 7 or 8 years old, when my mom was one of the official scorekeepers for our little league. It's ironic that this software came out now because I am working on my own score keeping software program. Of course mine will be free, but it won't have all the bells and whistles like the spray charts and the eye appealing graphics. When it's ready I will have to run it by Bob to get some suggestions and comments. vr, Xei
2006-04-27 13:38:22
75.   Bob Timmermann
Scorebooks should always have lots of spaces to write in the names of pitchers.

11 and 12-man bullpens have made 6 or 7 pitcher games quite common.

I believe the Giants used 9 players in the #9 spot yesterday.

2006-04-27 13:43:41
76.   Jon Weisman
I usually ordered new scoresheets from Strat-o-Matic every year and would just bring one to a game. I'm a packrat normally - it's strange I didn't care about saving them.
2006-04-27 13:48:16
77.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't start buying scorebooks until my mother passed away in 1993 and I realized that a lot of the things I did in life had no record of them happening.

But I'm saving up my "Tribute to My Old Scorebook" for a later time. When I've tried to write it, it ends up sounding like Johnny Cash's "Ragged Old Flag".

2006-04-27 13:50:30
78.   Johnson
I have a PDF that I found on the web somewhere and modified a bit that I use to score with. Just print a few out and head to the game with a clipboard. Not quite as impressive as the ones Bob uses, but it does a good job, has little boxes to keep pitch count for each PA, and has rarely failed me on pitching/hitting slots. I'd be happy to forward it on to anybody who wants it.

Xei, if you have a Mac version of your scoring program I'd be happy to beta it!

2006-04-27 13:55:35
79.   Bob Timmermann
When I was younger, I kept track of pitch counts. But I found it to be more trouble than it was worth especially if I was with someone.

Fortunately nearly every stadium keeps track of pitches now on the scoreboard. If there's a particularly long batter-pitcher sequence, I will note it.

I think James Loney had a 11 or 12 pitch at bat against Mike Remlinger.

It was a technical draw as Loney reached first on an error by Edgar Renteria.

2006-04-27 13:55:45
80.   Kayaker7
69 Kevin Kennedy: I would never question another man's injury, but I'll question it right now.
2006-04-27 13:58:06
81.   Jon Weisman
80 - Yes, you're an adept translator.
2006-04-27 14:03:19
82.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
a lot of the things I did in life had no record of them happening
Reminds me of the Bill James essay, in one of the Abstracts, discussing a man from his hometown. When he died, he was forgotten - not because he was forgettable, but because he left behind no statistics.
2006-04-27 14:12:06
83.   Bob Timmermann

All I've got are scorebooks and cholesterol test results.

2006-04-27 14:20:08
84.   Uncle Miltie
Here's what I wrote yesterday:
Does anyone think there's a correlation between Rafael Furcal's lack of production and his weight? He weighed in at 195 in spring training. I believe he weighed between 175-180 pounds last year, so he may be 15 pounds overweight. I think a lot of it has to do with the knee surgery he had before spring training. It is probably preventing him for doing rigorous workouts. So far this year, he hasn't hit a lick, but he is showing tremendous patience. He is seeing 4.43 pitches per plate appearance and his walk rate so far is the best of his career. The thing I'm very concerned about is Furcal's lack of power. He regularly produces (around) 50 extra base hit seasons. This year, he only has 2 extra base hits (both doubles). I think he is covering up an injury that is affecting him at the plate and in the field (with his footwork).

I guess Mariano Duncan agrees with me regarding Furcal's footwork. The Dodgers need to rest him for a week and start Oscar Robles, not Lucille II, in his place.

2006-04-27 14:23:15
85.   blue22
Bob, I don't want to distract from your story about the incident on the Griddle, but I just saw the video from the Delmon Young bat toss (on Most of the news reports I've read have described it as you did - "a flipping of the bat" (I was envisioning Willie Mays Hayes bouncing his bat off the plate in Major League).

He threw the bat. Hard. And from a pretty good distance.

That kid needs a major suspension for that.

2006-04-27 14:30:50
86.   BleedingBlue38
Wow that was pretty hard. Such anger...
2006-04-27 14:37:51
87.   Johnson
85 The video of Young's bat toss is more like a webcam updating every two seconds. I see: Young walks off the left side of the screen, the ump walks off the right side of the screen, and then suddenly the bat is on the plate. Apparently he threw it from a pretty good distance, but from that video it's impossible to judge much beyond that. Doesn't look good for Delmon, though, because he must have been throwing it back towards home plate (instead of just down as I might have envisioned). I agree that it seems like a major suspension is at hand.
2006-04-27 14:43:08
88.   underdog
I don't know if you guys saw this but I enjoyed reading David Schoenfield's piece on about all-time draft busts (through all major sports). Of particular interest is this one, which is hard to argue with:

"53. Bill Bene, Los Angeles Dodgers (No. 5, 1988) No, that's not Billy Beane, the Oakland general manager. This guy was a hard-throwing right-hander who was more wild than Charlie Sheen on vacation in Cancun during spring break. Bene rarely pitched at Cal State Los Angeles, but the Dodgers clocked him at 100 mph and took him over such future big leaguers as Jim Abbott, Robin Ventura, Tino Martinez and Alex Fernandez. At one point, the Dodgers wouldn't let him pitch batting practice to live batters and had him pitch to a department-store mannequin. Career totals in the minors: 18-34, 5.45 ERA, 516 innings, 543 walks, 502 strikeouts."

2006-04-27 14:46:42
89.   das411
Would this ScorePad program be able to update rosters when you connect to dump scored games, etc? Doesn't seem like it would be too hard to set up your own little Gameday at the ballpark, especially if you are in a ginormous hot spot like PacBellSBCATT Park.

First game I tried to score was against the Dodgers. 8-25-95. You've all heard this before.

85 - Good thing everybody uses tiny tiny bats these days. If it had been, say, Ryan Howard tossing his bat...

2006-04-27 14:47:11
90.   blue22
87 - I saw a better picture than that. The video I saw had Delmon walk off stage right (or is that stage left?), but the ump stayed center. Then you see a bat come launching from off-screen and nail the ump flush in the gut.
2006-04-27 14:48:57
91.   Icaros

I never understood that one. Why did they have to use the fifth pick in the draft on Bene?

Who else was going to take him? Seems like he could've been had later on if they wanted to take the gamble.

LA got Ventura 15 years too late.

2006-04-27 14:51:26
92.   Icaros

That's the clip I saw. You don't see Young throw the bat, but it comes flying pretty fast.

What I'm impressed most by is that the ump doesn't even seem to flinch.

That's a man who trusts his chest protector.

2006-04-27 14:56:05
93.   underdog
91 Yeah, they could have taken Bene in the 32nd round even. Ventura would have been nice back then; that one still depresses me.
2006-04-27 15:01:15
94.   Steve
It's ironic that of the umpire, the broadcaster, and Delmon Young, only Delmon Young was right about where that pitch was. Not to forgive him flinging bats at people.
2006-04-27 15:02:02
95.   SMY
I like how most of the news reports say he was "flipping" the bat. That looks really bad.
2006-04-27 15:03:11
96.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
That was the bad old days of the Dodgers and the draft.
From memory: Kiki Jones, Dan Opperman.
2006-04-27 15:11:26
97.   underdog
96 Makes you appreciate Logan White and company all the more doesn't it? Who was their scouting director back then, Ed Wood Jr?
2006-04-27 15:15:28
98.   Eric Enders
I use this scoresheet:

I'm very fussy about my scoresheets and finally got tired of not being able to find one to my specifications, so I made my own.

A few years ago I had some printed up and spiral-bound and started selling them on the internet and in a few Barnes & Noble stores. I sold about 1,500 before I got tired of the hassle and quit. The profit margin wasn't enough to make it worth my time in filling orders. Every once in a while I still get an angry/desperate e-mail from somebody who wants one really bad and doesn't want to accept that it's out of print.

The key part of the design, IMO, was that the spiral was on the top, which made it possible for left-handed people like myself to use.

2006-04-27 15:17:47
99.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Anyone ready Bill Simmons' recent interview with Malcolm Gladwell? In discussing Isiah Thomas' reign of error in New York, Gladwell made the point that a person who knew literally nothing about basketball would do better than Isiah simply because the non-fan wouldn't trust his gut. Instead, he'd defer to people who knew more than him. The result might be a team comprised of nothing but players from UConn and Duke: Rip Hamilton, Battier, Okafor, etc.
I mention this, because the past Dodgers brain trust would've done far better in the draft had they employed a strategy of doing nothing more than picking players from, say, Arizona State, USC, Texas and Florida State.
2006-04-27 15:20:37
100.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
98 - Nice scoresheet, EE. So, a typical game would use one sheet of paper, double-sided?
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2006-04-27 15:21:25
101.   Eric Enders
100 Yep.
2006-04-27 15:24:24
102.   Eric Enders
Off-topic public service announcement: Tickets for Springsteen's June 5 show in L.A. go on sale this Saturday. If you have even the slightest bit of interest in Springsteen -- or in music -- you need to go see the show.

I went to the show on Tuesday night in Asbury Park and it just blew me away -- one of the great musical experiences of my lifetime. (Maybe THE greatest.) The Seeger Sessions Band kicks the E Street Band's butt any day of the week.

2006-04-27 15:27:46
103.   oldbear
Do you prefer stadium (indoor) shows better or amphitheatre (outdoor) shows?
2006-04-27 15:28:55
104.   Icaros
Isiah Thomas actually makes me appreciate Mitch Kupchak.
2006-04-27 15:30:11
105.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Are there any must-see shows this coming week? I ask because GF and I are coming to LA for a wedding (not ours). It's her first visit to California, so she wants to see the Pacific. We're also hitting the Getty and three ballgames (Angeles on Sun and Mon; Dodgers on Wed).
2006-04-27 15:31:09
106.   Bob Timmermann

Bob Carpenter has better name recognition I guess.

2006-04-27 15:32:32
107.   Icaros

I don't know who's playing there next week, but any show at the Greek Theater in Griffith Park would be worth seeing.

I love that place.

2006-04-27 15:32:48
108.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
104 - Isiah makes Cavaliers fans appreciate Ted Stepien
2006-04-27 15:34:12
109.   Humma Kavula
Not that it's that close to L.A., but isn't Coachella this weekend?
2006-04-27 15:35:12
110.   Johnson
90 I had to update my Windows Media Player from 9 to 10 and then was able to see the video clearly. Yeah, that bat came flying.
2006-04-27 15:37:18
111.   Eric L
104 Yeah, at least Kupchak recognizes when he has a glut of players at one position.

He even tries to get players that fill needs at other positions. He might not exactly be good at it, but he does try.

2006-04-27 15:37:56
112.   Jon Weisman
102 - "The Seeger Sessions Band kicks the E Street Band's butt any day of the week."

That's like saying "that HR kicked the Gibson HR's butt." Even if that's true, I cannot process it.

2006-04-27 15:38:54
113.   Jon Weisman
102 - "The Seeger Sessions Band kicks the E Street Band's butt any day of the week."

That's like saying "that HR kicked the Gibson HR's butt." Even if that's true, I cannot process it.

2006-04-27 15:39:31
114.   Jon Weisman
I knew that would be a double post, but there was nothing I could do to avoid it except fly around the earth in the opposite direction of its rotation at great speed.
2006-04-27 15:39:39
115.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
109 - It is, but attending (like I did in '04) is a commitment in itself.
2006-04-27 15:46:09
116.   Eric Enders
113, 114
I've just never seen a band have so much darn fun playing music. There were 20 musicians on stage, all of them excellent ones with the possible exception of Patti Scialfa. The effort and passion they put into it just made you feel glad to be alive. I don't get that feeling from the E Street Band in recent years -- they seem to be going through the motions a little bit. Particularly Clarence Clemons.
2006-04-27 15:46:48
117.   Humma Kavula
115 I wonder if anyone is staying in town after that. Should be pretty easy to find out...
2006-04-27 15:51:17
118.   Eric L
117 Pollstar is (and used to better) a good place to look for city specific concert listings.
2006-04-27 15:51:57
119.   Humma Kavula
117 I found two Coachella acts that are playing clsoe to L.A. ....

Imogen Heap 5/2 Pomona
Ladytron 5/2 El Rey; 5/3 Pomona

2006-04-27 15:55:14
120.   Icaros

Kupchak has also done pretty well with his recent draft picks.

In the title years, when they were getting the last pick, he got Walton and Cook, who are at least decent (one can shoot, one can pass).

I also think Turiaf will be a valuable player in the near future.

I'm not saying he's great, but people always rag on Kupchak, sometimes unfairly.

I still don't think trading O'Neal for Odom, (ultimately) Kwame Brown, and a first-round pick was that terrible. He wasn't going to get Wade or Dirk for the guy, and people who chastise him for not getting more aren't being realistic.

2006-04-27 15:58:19
121.   Eric L
120 I blame the Shaq trade more on Kobe and Shaq than Kupchak (and throw Buss in there for good measure). Unless he was going to be able to realistically get Jermaine O'Neal from Indiana, I think he did just about the best he was able to do.
2006-04-27 16:06:09
122.   blue22
120 - Kwame turning into a beast as of late could salvage everything that Kupchak has done to this point (and maybe even shown that he knew what he was doing!).

Shaq for Kwame and Odom looks terrific now, and not just in the "addition-by-subtraction" way that I've looked at the Shaq trade to date.

2006-04-27 16:08:06
123.   blue22
121 - The mistake that Kupchak made was going public with his intention to trade Shaq. No Dirk or Wade after that information went public.

Of course, he did that to placate Kobe, but he could've kept it between them.

2006-04-27 16:21:02
124.   Eric L
123 I was going to write what you said, but I wonder how realistic it would have been to keep it quite? It seems like the news would have broke with or without Kupchak's help.

I don't think he was going to get Dirk or Wade for Shaq even if it was quite.

2006-04-27 16:22:42
125.   TheRedMenace
123 - Kupchak didn't go public. Shaquille did; after it became apparent that he wasn't going to get the monster extension that he was looking for.

I suppose Kupchak could have pretended he wasn't going to deal Shaq, but nobody would have bought it and it may also have cost the Lakers #8/#24 as well. Considering the circumstances I think Kupchak did OK.

2006-04-27 16:33:35
126.   blue22
125 - Kupchak didn't go public. Shaquille did

Not how I remember it, but all's well that ends well. Glad to be rid of the Big Baby.

2006-04-27 16:37:40
127.   TheRedMenace
126 - I seem to recall Shaq demanding the trade after the Pistons meltdown, but I have spent the last couple years trying to erase all memories of The Big Irishman (save for the Portland game 7) so I could be wrong.
2006-04-27 16:44:39
128.   natepurcell
ReMance is right. Shaq demanded the trade.
2006-04-27 16:51:17
129.   Jon Weisman
So no comments on the Michelle Rodriguez steroid controversy? Will people demand an asterisk next to her name in the credits of Lost?
2006-04-27 16:52:02
130.   underdog
I have a really good feeling the Dodgers won't lose tonight. Just... a feeling...
2006-04-27 16:57:25
131.   Bob Timmermann

I heard Michelle Rodriguez mention the steroids a while back when she was on Leno. The amazing was that I was watching Leno. She did look quite different in California than she does on "Lost". She does strike me as a "high maintenance" woman.

If she wants to get back to making money does that mean her character is going to survive the season on "Lost"? Fans seem to think "Ana Lucia" is the next person to get killed. She isn't the most popular character, although I don't have any objections.

2006-04-27 17:03:13
132.   Jon Weisman
I can't tell if people dislike her character more or her acting more - I know some people think of her as one note. Me, I'm satisfied with her.
2006-04-27 17:08:09
133.   Steve
Did the Nationals hold some kind of fan auditions for their starting rotation?
2006-04-27 17:11:48
134.   Bob Timmermann
Sam DC must be travelling as no one else would appreciate my Nats "ownership" timeline on the Griddle.
2006-04-27 17:19:30
135.   thinkingblue
Jon, you are totally right, we saw the same thing with Steve Finley last year. Players, when you get an injury that kills your swing, DON'T TRY AND PLAY HURT, or else you will start sucking, then try and compensate, which not only will not help, but it will injur another part of you.
2006-04-27 17:20:19
136.   Linkmeister
Honolulu Advertiser coverage of Michelle Rodriguez court appearance:

Honolulu Star-Bulletin coverage:

S-B has photo of what the well-dressed actress wears to start a four-day jail term.

2006-04-27 17:23:51
137.   Bob Timmermann
There are "Lost" spoilers in the S-B story.
2006-04-27 17:26:09
138.   Telemachos
I can't remember where I read it, but I thought that Michelle Rodriguez was hit with 200+ hours of community service.

Given that or 4 days in jail, what's more of a hassle?

2006-04-27 17:28:01
139.   Jon Weisman
136 - Yeah, saw all that.

So I just want to take stock of the DT domestic and foreign bureaus. There's Sam in Washington, Link (Other Steve) in Honolulu. Colorado Blue has handled Denver well in the past. What else have we got?

Cher, I believe, has abandoned Ogden.

2006-04-27 17:28:37
140.   Jon Weisman
138 - She had done community service on her previous case, so she decided this time to just bite the incarceration bullet, apparently.
2006-04-27 17:36:25
141.   natepurcell
update on my armageddon battle... the good guys won. I passed Managerial Accounting with flying colors.

/pats self on back.

2006-04-27 17:37:25
142.   Steve
Who in the world would live in Ogden?
2006-04-27 17:46:09
143.   Andrew Shimmin
142- People who like their gas cheap. And

2006-04-27 17:47:07
144.   Jon Weisman
Ugh. As some of you may know, I find it mostly too heartbreaking to write about Beltre, but this moment is practically cinematic. From AP:

"Beltre felt so defeated Monday, he began running to first base to complete a strikeout after flailing at a pitch in the dirt - for strike two. He then did the same thing one pitch later for the real strikeout."

2006-04-27 17:49:02
145.   Steve
No Hyundais in Ogden. They're more Rusty Ford type.
2006-04-27 17:52:43
146.   natepurcell
so has beltre completely given up on succeeding in life now?
2006-04-27 17:53:12
147.   Linkmeister
138 There's a large discussion of that over in one of the Hawai'i message boards. Consensus so far seems to be that 4 days and done is faster/easier than 240 hours of community service, particularly when your work schedule is as peculiar as a working actor's.
2006-04-27 17:54:32
148.   Linkmeister
147 Gah. Pronouns. When "one's" working schedule...
2006-04-27 17:55:20
149.   Kurt
104, 108. I can't beleive I'm about to defend him, but Isiah Thomas is actually pretty good at the draft part of being a GM – his picks pan out. However, if you want to make a trade with him.....

Eric E., I love those scorecards (and I'm right handed), where can I buy one?

2006-04-27 18:02:08
150.   Linkmeister
I hadn't read the S-B story; I just found the link. Sorry about the spoiler.
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2006-04-27 18:06:48
151.   Telemachos
144 That is hideously painful. Of course, so is getting to spend the next 4+ years on a lousy Mariners team.
2006-04-27 18:08:38
152.   gcrl
reporting from the twin cities, i'm sad to be in an AL town.

back to you in the studio.

2006-04-27 18:19:42
153.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm pretty sure Bob's in Pakistan, right now. But maybe that's only temporary.
2006-04-27 18:24:32
154.   Linkmeister
153 OMG! They've outsourced Bob!
2006-04-27 18:27:04
155.   Bob Timmermann
"Pakistan" is April's #1 search term on Google to refer you to the Griddle.

It used to be "Julio Franco".

2006-04-27 18:55:05
156.   ToyCannon
Brian Grant was the problem with the Shaq trade. His contract is an albatross even after he was waived because it still counts against the cap.
2006-04-27 20:25:04
157.   natepurcell
Loney with his first AAA XBH- line drive double into the right field corner.
2006-04-27 20:39:06
158.   das411
Wow, where did everyone go? Is there a Clippers game on now or somethin??
2006-04-27 20:44:06
159.   Icaros

Yeah, Grant is an albatross, but you have to match salaries in NBA trades, and Shaq makes a ton, so taking Grant couldn't really be helped.

What stupid team signed Grant to that deal? Portland? Miami?

2006-04-27 20:46:27
160.   natepurcell
2006-04-27 20:49:11
161.   oldbear
Kupchak passing on Tayshaun Prince in the draft, not letting Shaq just play out his final year, Butler for Kwame, and taking back Brian Grant's contract were horrible moves.

Kupchak was blessed with the best player on the planet, and another superstar, and has done nothing but transform the Lakers into a mediocre average basketball team, that is still over the luxury tax threshold with Odom (who's not a max level player yet is getting paid max dollars. Same with Kwame Brown).

Cook and Walton serviceable? Just because you draft at the bottom of the round, doesnt mean there arent players there. Look what the Spurs have done in the draft. Or even Dallas.

Jerry West should have never left.

2006-04-27 20:51:38
162.   Daniel Zappala
Jon, I've got Salt Lake City covered. Have tickets to the Bees-51's game next Wednesday, so I'll be filing a dispatch the next day.
2006-04-27 20:53:08
163.   oldbear
Yeah, Grant is an albatross, but you have to match salaries in NBA trades, and Shaq makes a ton, so taking Grant couldn't really be helped

Simple. Dont trade Shaq and let him play out his final year. Resign Kobe Bryant to his extension, with the assurance that its Kobe's team once Shaq is gone after that year. Kupchak's "managing" of two big egos was terrible. Part of "managing" is getting people to work together underneath you. He couldnt do it, even when he had all the bargaining power- #1. The Lakers could pay Kobe more than anyone else, making it easier to resign him. #2. No one forced Kupchak to trade Shaq. Even if Shaq just dogs it that final year in LA, its still better than having Brian Grant's deal for 2 additional years.

Kupchak is a poor evaluator of talent and a poor manager of people. Jerry West was excellent at both. Its just a shame that Buss wouldnt let West have any ownership of the team.

2006-04-27 20:55:50
164.   natepurcell
Butler for Kwame wasnt bad at all. Kwame plays great man defense against the top centers/pfs in the league.
2006-04-27 20:56:13
165.   norcalblue
"I would never question another man's injury, but I know that guys years ago seemed to tough it out more and often refused to come out of the lineup."...

If that's now questioning another man's imjury--what is it?

2006-04-27 21:00:18
166.   oldbear
Butler for Kwame wasnt bad at all. Kwame plays great man defense against the top centers/pfs in the league

Kwame has terrible hands and very few basketball skills. He's not a shotblocker either. I'm not sure which top centers and PF's he has played against and shut down, but I wouldnt trust him to slow down Duncan, Garnett, the Wallace's, Amare, Dwight Howard, Shaq.

He's not even as good (defensively) as Tyson Chandler, and Chandler is in no way a max-level contract player.

2006-04-27 21:09:14
167.   natepurcell
Kwame has less then average hands, but the difference in his play from the beginning of the season to the end has been really remarkable. He is finally getting coaching and he is still only 23 yrs old or so.

He has played well against the top pf's/c of the league. His man defense is stellar. Have you watched laker games consistently this year? His help defense isnt as good as chandler because kwame isnt the shot blocker chandler is, but his man defense is top 5 in the league for big men.

2006-04-27 21:28:04
168.   King of the Hobos
Aybar just hit a bases loaded double on a full count with two outs
2006-04-27 21:30:21
169.   Bob Timmermann
Actually I'm watching the Ducks-Flames playoff game. It's 2-2 in the third.
2006-04-27 21:37:01
170.   oldbear
Aybar needs to be at a different level. What more does he have to do?
2006-04-27 21:38:46
171.   underdog
Mmmm... ducks... flames.... oooo.... add some l'orange sauce and we've got dinner.

Yeah, Aybar, 3 RBIs tonight, Guzman two...

I do wish they'd call him up but keep in mind it's better for him to play all the time right now then to just sit on the Dodgers bench. I'd prefer him to Martinez, or Robles, for that matter... only a matter of time I think.

2006-04-27 21:40:18
172.   natepurcell
Aybar needs to be at a different level. What more does he have to do?

Keep doing what he is doing til at least june before im convinced. He has never hit for significant power before so call me a bit skeptical. If he has a slg over .550 by the time of the mlb draft, ill be more convinced.

2006-04-27 21:47:17
173.   underdog
And Russell Martin just doubled, he's now 2 for 4. Batting .310.
2006-04-27 21:49:35
174.   underdog
(And he threw out a runner trying to steal tonight too. Ahem. {{clears throat}} )
2006-04-27 21:49:58
175.   natepurcell
im pumped up for the NFL draft. ive been busy all week and havent had time to be pumped, but now i am pumped.
2006-04-27 21:56:05
176.   natepurcell
and 51s bring in their own version of lance carter... harold eckert.
2006-04-27 22:02:34
177.   King of the Hobos
Considering where they play, the SkySox cannot hit, so pitchers like Eckert can actually get outs. Closser easily leads the team with a .817 OPS.
2006-04-27 22:03:36
178.   thinkingblue

Play defense and show that he can do this for a whole year. Although I would be interested in having him up instead of Martinez or Robles if he keeps this up.

2006-04-27 22:14:22
179.   Marty
Just got back from D.C. I'm trying to watch the Clipper game and either I'm really tired (and I am), or the font they chose to use on the channel 5 broadcast makes it impossible to tell what the score is.
2006-04-27 22:20:03
180.   Bob Timmermann
Watch it on TNT. It's easier to see and you don't have to listen to Michael Smith.

This is the longest basketball game ever.

2006-04-27 22:23:26
181.   Steve
Willy Aybar is a designated hitter?
2006-04-27 22:51:54
182.   Uncle Miltie
Nice of the refs to give Denver this game.

The Nuggets shot 15 more free throws.

2006-04-28 03:38:28
183.   natepurcell
its 330AM and i woke up int he middle of the night because I made up a new fancy sabre stat.

I even named it: Expected Value of a PA. or EVOP for short, or E(PA).

someones probably done this before but i had fun crunching numbers for 20 players or so.

2006-04-28 05:36:16
184.   SMY
From the LA Times:

"The Dodgers are contemplating putting in a waiver claim for right-handed relief pitcher Tyler Walker, who was designated for assignment by the San Francisco Giants on Sunday.

Walker had 23 saves last season after Armando Benitez was injured, but fell from favor late in the season and struggled this year, blowing two saves and posting an earned-run average of 15.19 in six appearances.

Colletti, the Giant assistant general manager the last 11 years, is familiar with Walker, who was injured late last season and has not regained his velocity."

Ineffective? Injured? Lost Velocity? Former Giant? How could we not have seen it coming? It's like a script.

2006-04-28 07:12:13
185.   screwballin
Hee watch, via Rotoworld:

Hee Seop Choi (hamstring) has hit safely in eight straight games at Triple-A, but his rehab assignment ends Wednesday. While they'd be better off with Choi than J.T. Snow, the Red Sox are expected to keep him at Triple-A after the 20-day rehab assignment is up. Because Choi has options remaining, the Red Sox can do what they please.

2006-04-28 08:08:58
186.   Bob Timmermann
Tyler Walker?

He's horrible! When the Giants give up on a reliever, that's not a good thing.

Except for the Dodgers giving up on one of their relievers. But Lance Carter is a lot better than Tyler Walker.

2006-04-28 08:25:22
187.   underdog
Ack, I know. I saw the Tyler Walker thing in the Times, too, and literally almost spit out my cereal this morning. My friends who are Giants fans would only laugh at that news, they can tell you how "impressive" he's been over the past year. If this happened, I really would begin to suspect Colletti is returning some kind of favor to his former workplace to screw over a competitor.

I know our bullpen has struggled but why would this be better than bringing up Broxton or Houlton or somebody? Please... God... tell me it's just a rumor...

2006-04-28 08:35:23
188.   SMY
No, you guys just don't understand. He's a proven winner. He had 23 saves! That 4.78 career ERA and 1.5 career WHIP, those aren't as important as his 59 HSPAR (Heart and Soul Points Above Replacement). And his injury? Complete fluke. He'll shake it off. Got good makeup.

Seriously, I don't know. Seems like a really pointless move to me...pointless rumor even. Doesn't even seem worthwhile to claim him just to stash in AAA (if they can).

2006-04-28 08:41:27
189.   Steve
Why did Colletti wait so long? If he had acted just six months earlier, we could have had him for Elbert. Bad Ned. Bad.
2006-04-28 08:42:35
190.   Kayaker7
185 Hee's OPSing 1.049, but only .867 against RHP. Has he been platooned on the wrong side, in the majors?
2006-04-28 08:50:55
191.   Inside Baseball
"If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants."
-Albert Einstein/Tyler Walker/Ned Colletti

"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
-Hal Abelson/Jonathon Broxton/{Insert Dodger fan's name here}

2006-04-28 10:31:51
192.   Fallout
Tyler Walker is not a Major League pitcher.
2006-04-28 10:50:01
193.   Telemachos
LOL... I was going to post the Tyler Walker quote but figured someone beat me to it. Seriously, though, I can't fathom why we would have ANY interest in him at all. We have a reliable setup man, we have loads of young exciting pitchers who could be (or currently are) in middle relief... why on earth would we want another overly-expensive pitcher when middle relief is the easiest to fill and we have plenty of other options?

The mind boggles. I can see some sort of reason for getting Kenny Lofton. I can even see a reason for getting Brett Tomko (though I don't agree). But I can't for the life of me see why we'd want Tyler Walker.

2006-04-28 11:35:04
194.   underdog
The other thing is, to be fair, this is just a rumor that I haven't seen anywhere else. It could have some basis in fact, or it could be that Walker's agent - or Brian Sabean - contacted the Dodgers knowing Colletti. And that could be as far as it goes. Let's hope that's all it is.

I wish there was some direct DodgerThoughts --> Dodgers brass pipeline where they'd hear us out before making any moves...

2006-04-28 12:33:23
195.   GoBears
193 I too hope it's just an unfounded rumor. But Telemachos raises an even more important question:

Can the mind boggle? Or only be boggled?


And I'm only being partly facetious when I say that this is a more important question than the Tyler Walker thing.

2006-04-28 12:55:04
196.   Midwest Blue
139 Late to the party due to the time zone change. Think Penarol and I have Chicago covered. Signing off.
2006-04-28 13:00:19
197.   Vishal
minds are boggled. other things do the boggling.
2006-04-28 13:25:09
198.   GoBears
197. Yeah. I was joshing.

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