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Okay, Now Broxton's Up and Carter's Down
2006-05-01 11:46
by Jon Weisman

Per Inside the Dodgers ...

* * *

From the Dodger press notes:

When Dodger reliever Joe Beimel debuts his #97 for the club, he will have the honor of donning the highest uniform number ever worn by a Dodger player during a regular season game. Currently, the distinction is shared by Joe Medwick and Charlie Dressen, who both wore the number 77 in the 1940's.

I remember reading that Beimel chose the number as a tribute to something or someone, but I've forgotten what. It'll come to me, I hope.

* * *

Tonight's Game

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2006-05-01 11:48:59
1.   GoBears
I think they should get Carter a bus ticket only as far as Barstow.
2006-05-01 11:54:15
2.   Jon Weisman
Thanks to PennyJavy for the alert, by the way.
2006-05-01 11:54:22
3.   Jon Weisman
Thanks to PennyJavy for the alert, by the way.
2006-05-01 12:01:14
4.   Steve
So Lance Carter is a middling AAA reliever now. I feel so much better having him there than Edwin Jackson.
2006-05-01 12:05:14
5.   Jon Weisman
That double post was my cellphone's fault, not mine. Infernal machines!
2006-05-01 12:06:33
6.   D4P
No worries. I blame cellphones for most of the problems in the world.
2006-05-01 12:07:48
7.   Bob Timmermann
The poor workman always blames his tools.

Just like Jim Tracy.

2006-05-01 12:12:25
8.   fawnkyj
I hope they let Broxton work in low pressure situations at first.
2006-05-01 12:13:07
9.   Steve
That does make me feel better:
2006-05-01 12:13:13
10.   capdodger
Posting from a cellphone? Pfftt... Showoff...
2006-05-01 12:14:13
11.   Marty
your posting from a cellphone? or did it ring and startle you into double posting?
2006-05-01 12:22:54
12.   Jon Weisman
I did the post from my desk. But then I realized I had forgotten to give credit, so I did the comment while I was walking from LACMA East to LACMA West. I think the double post happened when I was putting the phone back in my pocket.

I have done posts from my cellphone - some will recall the famous Blogging While Chairlifting moment - but they take a long time even to write something short. And linking is truly treacherous.

2006-05-01 12:23:11
13.   bigcpa
8 Like 5-0 leads with 3 outs to go? :)
2006-05-01 12:25:57
14.   Bob Timmermann
L.A., L.A. it's a wonderful town
Broxton's up
And Carter is down
The people won't ride through a hole in the ground.

The weakarm pitchers to demote are so many,
So the guys would say,
I know my grandpa could hate em all in just one day
Gotta send them all down.

2006-05-01 12:34:11
15.   capdodger
12 - Ah, yes. The day where Becker, Bruce and the Cardinal became targets of opportunity for many posters barbs.

I've never taken my cell phone skiing with me, but that might be because the coverage a Mammoth stinks.

2006-05-01 12:35:11
16.   JJoeScott
If they purchased Beimel's contract, is someone getting DFA'ed? Or did I miss that?
2006-05-01 12:37:27
17.   Humma Kavula
Kuo was sent down.
2006-05-01 12:37:58
18.   capdodger
16 - I think that there were only 39 players on the 40 man roster, as Jayson Werth was placed on the 60-day DL.
2006-05-01 12:39:04
19.   JJoeScott
18 - That would make sense. Thx.
2006-05-01 12:54:49
20.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
It's nice to see reason triumph. I also think comparing how Ned/Little handled this compared to how DePo/Tracy handled Erickson shows how much better shape we're in, because we now have quality prospects at AAA. I actually think management deserves some credit for seeing the obvious in this case, but, really, Ned had an obvious alternative in Broxton, while things weren't so clear as to an alternative for Erickson last season.


2006-05-01 13:01:42
21.   DXMachina
I'm very glad Ned made the move, but I don't understand how Carter still had an option left. I would've thought he already had too many seasons in the majors for that. Does he have to go through waivers first?
2006-05-01 13:04:02
22.   D4P
Which is easier:

1. Carter going through waivers
2. Sharp knife through warm butter?

2006-05-01 13:07:31
23.   DXMachina
Oh, I agree, but still. It's been mentioned a couple of times that he had an option left, and I'm trying to figure out how that can be.
2006-05-01 13:13:33
24.   Jon Weisman
I've never heard that options are age-dependent. If they weren't used, they don't expire.

Dave Winfield may still have all his options left.

2006-05-01 13:15:07
25.   Daniel Zappala
4 I'm sure you know this Steve, but it wasn' Tiffany for Baez and Jackson for Carter. It was Tiffany and Jackson for Baez and Carter. If Baez continues to be as good as he's been, then Tiffany and Jackson for Baez, with Carter as a throw-in, may not be too bad. A lot still depends on how Tiffany and Jackson turn out.
2006-05-01 13:18:28
26.   Jon Weisman
The Kobe heroics got me reading an NBA chat for once. This exchange was with ESPN's John Hollinger.

Stu (Philly): How can you continuously be the only NBA writer in the world that dismisses the idea of someone making their teammates better? With Nash's impact last year and SamIAm's this year haven't they proven that adding a winner to the team makes everyone else better?

John Hollinger: (3:51 PM ET ) "Making teammates better' is, with the possible exception of "never give up the baseline", basketball's greatest sacred cow. Doesn't make it true. In fact, if you try to come up with any evidence to support the idea -- not the anecdotal "player X looks better this year", but really looking at all of a player's current and former teammates and seeing how their production changed -- you'll have a hard time proving anybody, even Nash, has this effect.

2006-05-01 13:19:19
27.   OaklandAs
23 Option years are only used when a player on the 40-man roster is sent down to the minors. I think that's only happened twice for Carter, before this year (2000, 2005).
2006-05-01 13:22:43
28.   D4P
What does an All-Star have to do to get respect these days?
2006-05-01 13:25:04
29.   sanchez101
26. Well, Nash is no Kenny Lofton.
2006-05-01 13:26:37
30.   Jacob L
26 Being a "proven winner" or providing "veteran leadership" is probably just as much hooey in basketball as in baseball.

BUT, without knowing the statistical argument at all, I find the argument that certain individual basketball players don't enhance teammates' games hard to buy. Hakeem Olajuwon (sp?) comes to mind. When he had his inside game going, all everybody else on that team had to do was hit wide open jump shots.

2006-05-01 13:26:43
31.   Bob Timmermann
According to the copy of CBA I was reading on
a player can refuse an outright assignment to the minor leagues and become a free agent if he has 3 or more years of major league service.

However, Carter was optioned and they don't seem to have any expiry dates on them.

2006-05-01 13:27:50
32.   DXMachina
Okay, that makes sense.
2006-05-01 13:30:37
33.   Bob Timmermann
Aaron Sele was an All-Star too. And he's in the minors.
2006-05-01 13:31:20
34.   blue22
33 - Not for long. Isn't today decision day for him?
2006-05-01 13:31:33
35.   Steve
If Baez continues to be as good as he's been, then Tiffany and Jackson for Baez, with Carter as a throw-in, may not be too bad. A lot still depends on how Tiffany and Jackson turn out.

Yes, it is (If Baez continues to be as "good" as he's been?) and no, it doesn't.

2006-05-01 13:33:55
36.   scanderbeg
28 Carter seems to be getting the Mike Sharperson treatment if I've ever seen it.
2006-05-01 13:37:42
37.   D4P
It's shameful.
2006-05-01 13:37:54
38.   blue22
36 - Careful how far that comparison gets taken. We're all very frustrated with Carter, but there are limits...
2006-05-01 13:37:59
39.   Daniel Zappala
26 "Making teammates better" is usually code for "he passes and gets assists." Kobe is getting some nice assists this series, and is passing more than usual, though I certainly haven't quantified my observations. Then again, Luke Walton has always been known as a great passer, but just because he passes doesn't make him great. Kobe gets way too much criticism sometimes.
2006-05-01 13:41:05
40.   Uncle Miltie
Carter should be sent to Alcatraz, then maybe Sabean would rescue him.

30- I think Kobe can make his teammates better when he wants to. Since he's always being double teamed (and sometimes triple teamed), that leaves a lot of open shots for his teammates when he actually does decide to pass the ball.

2006-05-01 13:45:02
41.   Sam DC
Boy -- huge photo and spread for Jon's piece at (after you click the "mlb" button). Congrats.
2006-05-01 13:46:16
42.   Kayaker7
I think the notion that a player makes his teammates better has much more validity in basketball and football than baseball. Baseball is an odd "team sport" in which each player seems to perform in a vacuum, like an individual sport. Of course, there are some exceptions, where teammates read each others' minds on an assisted double play, but most of the time, it's like an individual sport.
2006-05-01 13:46:20
43.   blue22
39 - "Making teammates better" is usually code for "he passes and gets assists."

Whither Stephon Marbury then? He's averaged over 8 assists (a very impressive number in this era) per game over his entire career. He's also a 20 points per game scorer, with solid %'s.

Yet when you look at the teams he's left and arrived on, the results are quite staggering.

2006-05-01 13:50:37
44.   Sam DC
How is "creating opportunities for others" the same as "making others better." I understand a big man or a good passer being able to get the ball to people in good spots, but it seems to me those people will themselves be better or worse at getting to those spots and better or worse at hitting the shots.

And is it really that different than baseball -- a good hitter will protect the hitter before, a good obp guy will create rbi opportunities for the hitters behind. But neither affects the ability of that person in front or behind to actually get the job done.

2006-05-01 14:42:27
45.   Eric L
44 I'll go along with your line of thinking Sam. The passer (for example, Hakeem) may draw a double team and leave someone open for the jump shot. An open jumper is easier to make than a shot in traffic, but it's still up to the shooter to make the shot.

In other words, Hakeem may have created the opportunity, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't have guys on your team that can convert the opportunity into points.

2006-05-01 14:54:03
46.   Sam DC
45 Right -- A good passer might help teammates get open shots, but he doesn't make those teammates any better at hitting open shots. So, it seems wrong to say the passer is making his teammates "better."
2006-05-01 14:55:55
47.   Sam DC
Ouch -- from Bad Altitude preview of the Rockies/Braves series: "They're the Braves. They'll be good again fairly soon the way they draft, and for this franchise the term "lean years" is entirely relative. In fact, they could still win the division this year if a few of the old guys on the Mets go the way of all the old guys on the Dodgers."
2006-05-01 15:07:38
48.   capdodger
48 To conclude your line of reasoning, would be correct to say, "A good passes gives his teammates a chance to be better"?
2006-05-01 15:15:55
49.   Bob Timmermann
Making former teammates better:

Both Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant's wives gave birth Monday.

2006-05-01 15:26:52
50.   confucius
I wish they would have optioned Carter for Billingsly, and moved Seo to the bullpen.
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2006-05-01 15:27:26
51.   confucius
And that Shaq and Kobe thing is just weird.
2006-05-01 15:39:43
52.   Jacob L
Can we assume the names are not Shaq Bryant and Kobe O'Neal?

Those 2 really made each other better, and, at the same time, made me not like pro hoops anymore.

2006-05-01 15:41:54
53.   Bob Timmermann
Mearah Sanaa O'Neal

Gianna Maria-Onore Bryant

2006-05-01 15:45:51
54.   Jacob L
53 Are you serious?
2006-05-01 15:47:42
55.   Bob Timmermann

That's what the wire services report.

Those names don't seem all that strange.

2006-05-01 15:49:06
56.   confucius
Those aren't names.
2006-05-01 15:51:12
57.   Bob Timmermann

By whose standards?

What's the matter with Maria-Onore?

2006-05-01 15:52:08
58.   Underbruin
26 - At what point did Joe Morgan burst upon the scene, snarling and brandishing a baseball bat held backwards?
2006-05-01 15:53:55
59.   Underbruin
56 - I rather like Mearah. Not a huge fan of Gianna, but Kobe was brought up in Italy, so go fig. What do you find wrong with them?
2006-05-01 15:54:47
60.   confucius
The Bryant's names are fine. The O'neals seem a tad obscure.
2006-05-01 15:55:12
61.   Xeifrank
Today's Dodger Sim is in. Brad Penny pitched a great game, going 7-2/3rds innings... scattering 6 hits with the only blemish being a solo HR by Chad Tracy in the 4th inning. Hamulack relieved Penny with two outs in the bottom of the 8th inning after a Chad Tracy double and struck out Luis Gonzalez looking. Baez came in for an easy 1-2-3 to close things out in the 9th. The Dodgers managed 8 hits, the biggest blow a solo HR by Jeff Kent in the 4th inning. The Dodgers scored the go ahead runs in the 6th inning when K.Lofton led off with a single and J.Drew promptly doubled in home. Bill Mueller knocked Drew in with a 2 out single. Good luck to the Dodgers tonight. So far the sim program is 2-0 in predicting the winner (both Dodgers victories).
Dodgers: 3
DBacks: 1
WP - B.Penny
LP - C.Vargas
SV - D.Baez
HR: Kent, Tracy.
Notes: Craig Counsell was kicked out of the game in the 4th inning when he unvieled a phishing scam to steal the Dodgers signals.
vr, Xei
2006-05-01 15:56:26
62.   Kayaker7
Those aren't strange. You haven't seen my real name. ;-) Now, Dweezel and Moon Unit are strange.
2006-05-01 15:57:19
63.   Underbruin
60 - ... The father is named Shaquille. The mother is named Shaunie. Mearah Sanaa has melodic quality. Or would you have rather preferred Alice? :)
2006-05-01 15:58:57
64.   Jacob L
There's nothing wrong with the names, per se. In combination, they seem like an extension of the respective dads' long running pee-ing match. I'll see your Meara and raise you a Maria-Onore.

We named my daughter Maxine, but I guess I don't make that much money.

2006-05-01 16:01:31
65.   Underbruin
Quick google search reveals that Sanaa is a Swahili word for a "work of art," or "beauty." Meanwhile, all I can find for Mearah (Me'arah, actually), is "cave".


2006-05-01 16:05:16
66.   Jon Weisman
The film "Love & Basketball" featured actress Sanaa Lathan.
2006-05-01 16:05:38
67.   confucius
Maybe if I were African American I would feel allegances to the Swahili name. Therefore it would not seem obscure to me. And cave, What is more beautiful than a cave? :)
2006-05-01 16:06:46
68.   confucius
63. And yes, I would prefer Alice :)
2006-05-01 16:07:14
69.   Kayaker7
66 How was that movie. The title always struck me as incongruent, like, "Apple Pie and Mustard." Maybe because I played basketball in high school, and don't recall getting much love.
2006-05-01 16:08:17
70.   confucius
I still think its crazy that they both had girls and 6 minutes apart!
2006-05-01 16:09:32
71.   confucius
If you think Apple Pie and Mustard are incongruent you are really missing out.
2006-05-01 16:11:26
72.   Kayaker7
71 I prefer Tabasco with my apple pie.
2006-05-01 16:13:47
73.   Bob Timmermann
I like the sim except that I don't think Baez will pitch unless all the other relievers develop plague.
2006-05-01 16:16:09
74.   confucius
Damon got a better reception then I thought he would.
2006-05-01 16:21:58
75.   Jon Weisman
69 - Wanted to see it but never did.
2006-05-01 16:23:29
76.   Blu2
(When Dodger reliever Joe Beimel debuts his #97 for the club, he will have the honor of donning the highest uniform number ever worn by a Dodger player during a regular season game.) Isn't 'Old 97"\' a reference in an old railroad song? I vaguely remember it. Wonder if there's something on Google?
2006-05-01 16:25:07
77.   Andrew Shimmin
69- Bad.

I finally got around to State and Main over the weekend and can endorse it, heartily.

2006-05-01 16:25:16
78.   Kayaker7
75 Amazing that you knew the name of one of the stars, yet haven't seen the movie. But, then again, I knew who starred in "Casablanca," years before I actually saw it...but "Love and Basketball" is no "Casablanca."
2006-05-01 16:28:20
79.   Blu2
Google delivered! It was a train which became famous for wrecking in 1903. Several songs were written about it and one of them has the distinction of being the first million selling record. I imagine Vin Scully will get a lot of mileage out of this when the player has a lumpy day...
2006-05-01 16:28:38
80.   Steve
Didn't we just cure the plague?
2006-05-01 16:30:26
81.   Bob Timmermann
"Old 97" is the number of the train referenced in the song "Blood on the Tracks", but that is by the Folksmen.

I think the song is written by Michael McKean.

2006-05-01 16:34:34
82.   Underbruin
80 - You speak of the deadly "Carter-itis," I presume? Known to kill both man and beast, all whilst giving up 5-run leads in the 9th.
2006-05-01 16:42:02
83.   Steve
82 -- Introduced into an unnatural environment, by colonizers intent on pillaging natural resources for export.
2006-05-01 16:47:47
84.   Uncle Miltie
I was watching Forrest Gump last night and all I could think of was Grady Little.
2006-05-01 16:53:51
85.   Bob Timmermann
While Joe Beimel wears 97, I just read that Reggie Bush and the Saints are petitioning the NFL to let him wear 5.

I'm betting that he's not wearing that number once the season starts. The NFL is decidedly inflexible in this area.

2006-05-01 16:55:08
86.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody want to speculate on the likely net gain of swapping Carter for Beimel? Is it even five runs, this year? Carter is bad and I'll be happy not to watch him again. But this move is of little value on the field, and degrades and already near-worthless "asset" (Carter), which is something of a specialty of Ned's. I don't know that keeping him on the roster is any better, but I don't see this move as being of much value at all.

Carter is not as bad as he's been (I'm not as bad as Carter has been). This isn't like Erickson, where there was every reason to believe he was completely finished. Carter isn't good, but he didn't collapse over the summer, he's just about as not good as he was last year.

2006-05-01 16:56:46
87.   Mr Customer
77. I heartily endorse your hearty endorsement.

83. "Well, everyone needs a hobby."

2006-05-01 16:59:24
88.   Xeifrank
Dontrelle Willis is pitching a no-hitter. Still early in the game, just wanted to be the first one to say it. For that matter, Brad Penny has faced the minimum so far. :)
vr, Xei
2006-05-01 17:03:26
89.   Jon Weisman
Oh, Xei, Xei, Xei.

Right underneath the no-cursing and be civil rules of Dodger Thoughts is the rule not to announce no-hitters. People must discover them organically. Radio and TV announcers are the only ones allowed to mention no-nos.

2006-05-01 17:07:35
90.   Steve
86 -- Other than the increased likelihood that Monday will mispronounce Beimel's name, there is not much difference.
2006-05-01 17:08:02
91.   Jacob L
86 I know next to nothing about Beimel, but its reasonable to assume that of Broxton, Beimel, Kuo, and Carter that Broxton is the best pitcher. Therefore, today's moves figure to be a net positive.

Carter's only an asset in so far as we gave up something to get him. That, however, is in the past. That Ned is not keeping him around (for now) out of stubbornness or to prove that he was right, that's all for the better. The ability to cut your losses and make decisions based on what is best from the present forward is the best advantage we have as a supposed "big market" team.

So my outlook on Ned is all bright and sunny until he botches the Izturis situation.

2006-05-01 17:11:15
92.   Bob Timmermann
So, it's a busy night for the Southern California sports fan.

6:30 - Dodgers vs. Dbacks on KCAL
7:00 - Angels vs Athletics on KCOP
7:00 - Ducks vs Flames on FSN West
7:30 - Clippers vs Nuggest on FSN Prime

Lots o' traffic tonight on Katella I think.

2006-05-01 17:12:01
93.   Humma Kavula
[88] [89] Moot now.
2006-05-01 17:17:05
94.   Jon Weisman
92 - I'll be sure to take Wilshire to Staples.
2006-05-01 17:17:38
95.   Bob Timmermann

And I left out that I have to squeeze in time to watch "24". I think Jack Bauer is hijacking an airplane tonight.

Presumably someone will be shot in the thigh.

2006-05-01 17:17:52
96.   DXMachina
Yup, "The Wreck of the Old 97" is an old folk song. Later, the same tune was used for the old Kingston Trio song "MTA."

There's also a pretty good band caled the Old 97's.

2006-05-01 17:18:58
97.   confucius
There is also a Johnny Cash song called "the wreck of ol' 97".
2006-05-01 17:20:25
98.   confucius
92. Did anyone wee the flagrant foul put on Chris Kaman in the last game?
2006-05-01 17:20:51
99.   Bob Timmermann
"MTA" was actually written by an unnamed Boston folk group as a campaign song for a Socialist candidate for mayor in Boston.

The Kingston Trio "de-Commied" the song.

I still want to know why, in the song, Harry's wife, who threw him a sandwich every day as the train went past her, didn't also toss in the extra money to allow him to get off the train.

2006-05-01 17:21:27
100.   Mr Customer
90. I don't ever believe I'd heard Beimel's name uttered aloud...

I would guess "Buy Mel", but I tend to be a Teutonic thinker.

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2006-05-01 17:22:37
101.   Jacob L
99 Have you ever tried to throw a dime in the window of a passing train?
2006-05-01 17:23:16
102.   Bob Timmermann

Just wrap it inside the sandwich.

2006-05-01 17:24:01
103.   Mr Customer
94. Last I saw, Wilshire was closed down at La Brea. Information purposes only, I really have no idea which way you're coming in.
2006-05-01 17:26:02
104.   Jacob L
102 Jeez, then he'll likely swallow the dime.
2006-05-01 17:26:04
105.   confucius
If Brad Penny does not get a win tonight he should demand a trade. He ought to be going for his sixth win.
2006-05-01 17:26:21
106.   Humma Kavula
I found this, through google, on a Pirates blog from years ago...

Numbers game: Reliever Joe Beimel has switched from 53 to 97, the year his first child was born. No other Pirates player has worn a number higher than 75 in the regular season.

2006-05-01 17:26:41
107.   Bob Timmermann
Some of us Downtown workers are going to avail themselves of the best system of public transportation in the world.

At least that's what Eddie Valiant told me.

2006-05-01 17:28:48
108.   Bob Timmermann

Maybe that's the real reason why he never returned. No, he never returned.

And his fate is still unlearned.

Or if Jim Tracy wrote the song...

Do we know why Harry never returned? Well, that's a difficult question. There were issues with getting money for the fare, but I think that, from a financial standpoint, he could have done better. Will I ever know? Maybe.

2006-05-01 17:29:22
109.   Andrew Shimmin
91- Kuo will likely get better in AAA (or else blow out his arm), so I don't have a big problem with his demotion. Sending Carter to AAA is warehousing him in favor of the previously warehoused Beimel.

That Broxton is likely the best of the four doesn't really address why Beimel had to come up too. I'm happy enough to see Carter warehoused, but only if that means the team gets better--he's not likely to get better with AAA seasoning, so the only value is in getting somebody better in to that spot. It doesn't look to me like that happened. Additionally, it decreases his value, which, while not bloody much, must be anything. He's got a tiny contract, and he's probably not a whole standard deviation worse than any other garbage time reliever. MLB GM's will buy anything. Their beleif in their own magic touch could power a 50,000 watt radio station (which, if KFWB ever wants to build a market in the IE, they should look in to).

100- I was hoping for BAY-muhl. But, looking at his ESPN page, you look to be right.

2006-05-01 17:29:45
110.   Humma Kavula
107 Step outta line, Valiant, and we'll hang you -- AND your laundry -- out to dry!
2006-05-01 17:37:14
111.   Kayaker7
Just read the story on Shaq and Kobe's babies. That is Shaq's sixth child. a dad myself, I can't imagine having that many kids...
2006-05-01 17:37:55
112.   Steve
Their beleif in their own magic touch could power a 50,000 watt radio station

Really, the key point underlying the entire Tampa Bay Massacre.

I am unhappy that Kuo was demoted, but not unhappy that Kuo was demoted, if that makes sense. He is of no use to anybody walking more than one guy an inning.

2006-05-01 17:38:12
113.   Bob Timmermann

I can't imagine the fact that Shaq has had sex just six times.

2006-05-01 17:39:05
114.   Jacob L
109 I guess it totally depends on who is replacing whom. I'm just saying if Ned pulled a Choi on Carter I wouldn't see it as squandering an asset, and I don't necessarily see anything wrong with stockpiling (or warehousing for that matter) marginal pitchers at AAA.

I think we'd all agree that if Kuo can take back Beimel's spot at some point that would be the best outcome.

2006-05-01 17:40:25
115.   Jon Weisman
103 - I was joking. I'm within walking distance of Wilshire /La Brea - helicopter central.
2006-05-01 17:42:28
116.   Sam DC
113 And I thought the who's made it first thread had moved this site into the red!

Speaking of goofy old sort-of-folk songs, anyone remember who sang the big anthemy "one tin soldier" song in the seventies. Two big armies, and they're fighting for ever, and the big treasure or whatever they all wanted just says peace on earth. Or something like that . . .

2006-05-01 17:42:40
117.   Mr Customer
115. Jon, please disregard my westside-ethnocentrism.
2006-05-01 17:43:08
118.   Jacob L
113 I will never forget when Jordan retired. It was, coincidentally, about the same time as a spate of NBA paternity scandals.

On sports center or something, they asked a bunch of NBA stars about their thoughts on Jordan. Shaq, totally deadpan (as if Shaq can be any other way) said, "Michael was definitely the greatest. I'm just proud that I'll be able to tell me 1,000 kids by 900 different women that I played against him."

2006-05-01 17:45:20
119.   bigcpa
Wow Boston just had Loretta sac bunt 1st/2nd 0 out trailing 3-1 to NY in the 5th. Wang turned the 1-5 FC. I guess Francona hasn't read THE BOOK.
2006-05-01 17:45:39
120.   DXMachina
Heh, I knew that. Jacqueline Steiner and Bess Hawes wrote it. But I figured more people would recognize the tune if I mentioned the Kingston Trio version.

The song is no longer relevant, because except way out on the Red Line in Quincy, you only pay when you get ON the T these days.

2006-05-01 17:45:39
121.   Steve
Star Wars Transformers are an abomination.
2006-05-01 17:47:13
122.   overkill94
109 The switch (essentially Carter for Beimel) is pretty moot at this point, it probably means they'd rather have Carter work out his problems in AAA, thinking that he still may have value. Beimel should be quite harmless as the last pitcher out of the pen I would think.

To be honest, I was hoping Sele would get the call only because we don't really have a true long-reliever in the pen. Instead of wasting four bullpen arms in either an extra inning or large lead/deficit game, it would be nice to throw Sele out there and have him eat 4 or 5 innings.

2006-05-01 17:49:04
123.   D4P
What are Star Wars Transformers?

And speaking of abominations, I read today that some bonehead is remaking Revenge of the Nerds. That's like re-composing Beethoven's 5th Symphony.

2006-05-01 17:49:18
124.   Linkmeister
99 "Charlie," surely? I'll have to go rummage through my Kingston Trio vinyl (don't laugh!) to be sure, but I'm pretty convinced that is was Charlie on the MTA.
2006-05-01 17:50:26
125.   Sam DC
And meanwhile, the Nationals have it all working in Flushing. Five (5!) shutout innings from Ramon Ortiz. A silky caught stealing by Damian Jackson w/no outs and the pitcher up (the one time, Frank, the sacrafice would make your fans smile, but no, you just can't do it . . .). Brian Schneider thrown out trying to sneak to second on a single that scoreda runner from second. Alas for Nats Nation, Carlos Beltran hit the cutoff man. Meanhile fully half of Ortiz' 90 pitches have been balls (including a HBP of Victor Zambrano) so pretty hard to believe he's going to keep the Mets scoreless much longer.
2006-05-01 17:52:53
126.   Sam DC
And while I was typing 125, Carlos Delgado hit a solo homerun, so Mets/Nationas are tied 1-1. Loop closed.
2006-05-01 17:54:24
127.   Steve
123 -- Darth Vader transforms into something or other. This goes far beyond trading for middle relievers in its perfidy.
2006-05-01 17:54:38
128.   Marty
One Tin Soldier. The theme song to one of the worst movies ever made, Billy Jack.
2006-05-01 18:00:48
129.   Telemachos
BILLY JACK can't possibly have anything on SATURN 3, which for some incomprehensible reason I watched over the weekend.
2006-05-01 18:04:32
130.   Sam DC
Thanks Marty, just found that myself. Sung by . . . wait for it . . . Coven, written by Lambert and Potter, info available, lord knows why, at the kids page at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (everything is part of your environment, even music!) -- "This song has a lesson to it -- violence is not the way."

Also on the NIEHS web page, under Patriotic Songs, "O Canada". Works for me, but is Tom Tancredo OK with that?

2006-05-01 18:05:10
131.   Marty
What I remember about Billy Jack:

1. It was horrible
2. It was filmed in Prescott Arizona
3. Howard Hesseman had a small role as a hippie.
4. It was horrible.

2006-05-01 18:08:43
132.   Sam DC
I'll admit to a soft spot for Billy Jack, though I don't remember it well. Also, Bless the Beasts and Children. But then, I don't much remember either . . .
2006-05-01 18:09:42
133.   Sam DC
From the first review of Billy Jack on imdb: "For anyone interested in knowing what the world was really like in 1971, this film will take you there." Not written by Marty.
2006-05-01 18:10:07
134.   Sam DC
Livan pinch hitting at Shea!
2006-05-01 18:10:51
135.   Sam DC
(since it's just me . . .) Livan grounds out to end the inning.
2006-05-01 18:15:52
136.   Jon Weisman
Of course, "Bless the Beasts and the Children," the movie I was only half-paying attention to while I had a radio and earphone to listen to the Dodgers' Friday night victory over Houston in 1980 - first of the three-game sweep before Game 163.
2006-05-01 18:17:26
137.   Marty
Sam, I meant to tell you, when I was out in D.C. I got taken to a pretty good restaurant in Falls Church by the name of 2941. There was 175 of us and they did a very nice job of wining and dining us. 4 courses with wine pairings.

Do you know this one?

2006-05-01 18:17:40
138.   Jon Weisman
Alomar and Repko starting, Navarro and Cruz sitting.
2006-05-01 18:20:34
139.   Blu2
(131) 5. It had an incredibly actress in it.
2006-05-01 18:20:39
140.   Sam DC
137 The only number restaurant I know is 1789, in Georgetown. Will keep my tastebuds peeled, though.
2006-05-01 18:21:59
141.   Sam DC
Old friend Duaner in to pitch to the top of the Nationals order in the eighth inning of a tied Nationals/Mets game.
2006-05-01 18:22:20
142.   Blu2
(139) Left out a word: incredibly ugly actress
2006-05-01 18:26:01
143.   Jon Weisman
One Tin Soldier was a camp staple.

Anyone remember a song with lyrics that went something like, "Little Willy really won't go home?"

2006-05-01 18:27:42
144.   Marty
143 Is that the Bill Clinton theme song?
2006-05-01 18:34:26
145.   Sam DC
143 I don't, but all-seeing Google says it's by Sweet, singers also of Love is Like Oxygen. Bio and link to Little Willy lyrics:
2006-05-01 18:46:43
146.   xaphor
The guitarist from Sweet lives in LA and is a friend. Nice guy...

Way to go Greenie

2006-05-01 18:47:10
147.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, it was Charlie on the MTA.

We sang "One Tin Soldier" in church at Mass when I was in elementary school.

In the 1970s, there was a period when Catholicism was briefly into a "hip and relevant" time.

In retrospect, I would have preferred the random beatings.

2006-05-01 18:47:16
148.   Sam DC
Travis Hafner w/a Grand Slam to bring the Indians back to 7-5 White Sox, bottom of the seventh inning.
2006-05-01 18:47:34
149.   Jon Weisman
Poor Shawn...
2006-05-01 18:48:24
150.   Langhorne

Jon, you can't be that young. Sweet is one of the most underrated bands of all time. They also did Ballroom Blitz and Fox on the Run. Little Willy is one of the best rollerskating songs of all time. At least it was when I was 12.

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2006-05-01 18:49:43
151.   Linkmeister
147 Yep. William Sloane Coffin was hip enough to be permanently fixed in Trudeau's zeitgeist.
2006-05-01 18:50:10
152.   Sam DC
Wow -- with his .183 batting average sitting just midway between Brad Penny (.167) and Rafael Furcal (.196), I'm sure Jeff Kent is a big fan of the more sophisticated stats used to measure offense these days . . .
2006-05-01 18:51:25
153.   Linkmeister
Prime Ticket is not showing the Dodgers; it's showing me "Clippers Insider." This is an outrage.
2006-05-01 18:51:38
154.   xaphor
Vin has it as Bi - mill
2006-05-01 18:52:14
155.   Sam DC
Old Friend Paul LoDuca with a chance to win it in NY -- 1 out, tie game, runners at 1st and 2nd.
2006-05-01 18:52:57
156.   Bob Timmermann
Green's error is an example of why I think of giving out two errors to a player on one play (fielding and throwing) seems dopey to me when a player can drop one ball and give a team three bases.

I'm seated by the way.

2006-05-01 18:54:31
157.   xaphor
For what it's worth, that makes perfect sense to me Bob.
2006-05-01 18:54:40
158.   Steve
Good thing the Nats got their six pitches out of Gigantor tonight.
2006-05-01 18:54:40
159.   Sam DC
Well, the gameday desription is not totally clear, but it looks like LoDuca did win the game, when he grounded back to the pitcher who threw the ball away. Good fun for the whole family.
2006-05-01 18:54:47
160.   oldbear
So when does Tracy move I mean Little move Kent out of the clean up spot?
2006-05-01 18:55:28
161.   Bob Timmermann

I laid out the schedule of what was being shown in L.A. earlier today.

2006-05-01 18:57:45
162.   D4P
I'm seated by the way.

Then just shut up. :)

2006-05-01 18:58:57
163.   Linkmeister
Yeah, but according to my morning paper it's Dodgers on Prime Ticket at 1540 and Clippers on TNT at 1630. So who's lying?
2006-05-01 18:59:33
164.   Jon Weisman
I remember Sweet. Just wondered if anyone else remembered the song.

I think Bob's crusade against the double error is very unlike Bob. An error is a mistake - not something measured in degrees. I feel it's unlike you to want to redefine a word.

2006-05-01 18:59:49
165.   Sam DC
158 You know, I was going to comment on the whole "using your long reliever for two batters in a tie game" thing, but obviously I've been a bit comment happy tonight so I held off.

The vitriol on the Nationals' sites is pretty extreme right now. The fact that Nat castoff Endy Chavez scored the winning run is a source of particular angst.

2006-05-01 19:03:10
166.   das411
Hey Xei, Mike C and I say thanks for that jinx you put on Dontrelle today. Got anything that will work for the Buffalo Sabres, or will I have to go to Bob for that one?

165 - Endy Chavez is a one-man angst machine on par with Tomas Perez and David Bell. How we survived half a season with all three of those jokers, I'll never know...

2006-05-01 19:04:14
167.   Steve
Rather than focusing on the fact that they lost on an error, they're focusing on the pinch-runner who only coincidentally scored the winning run? And Jim Bowden is getting fired why?
2006-05-01 19:05:31
168.   Sam DC
167 Well, in fairness, there's a good deal of concern about losing on an infield throwing error by the [insert words not appropropriate to Jon's site here] pitcher as well.
2006-05-01 19:06:56
169.   xaphor
164 An error is not recorded unless someone advances, right? So it is already measured in degrees. And I suddenly understand exactly how Bob feels :)
2006-05-01 19:07:55
170.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that if I don't hold a pointless, meaningless grudge against something, life isn't worth living.
2006-05-01 19:09:05
171.   Steve
Speaking of that, Jim Tracy just had a heck of a top of the eighth.
2006-05-01 19:12:10
172.   Andrew Shimmin
I was distracted earlier, but meant to put in a plug for another movie I watched this weekend: Return to Me. I was thoroughly opposed to watching it, but my objections were overcome in the underhanded way that puts the lie to the term, "fairer sex." Keeping in mind that the premise is ridiculous, I've never liked a romantic comedy nearly as much as I liked this one. It was actually funny! Carol O'Connor and Robert Loggia and David Allen Greir. I didn't love Mr. X-files, but he didn't bother me, either. Anyway, a really fun movie, which could be worth bonus points (or, at least, make a good trade for making her watch The Dirty Dozen, again).
2006-05-01 19:12:40
173.   Bob Timmermann
I think they better drag the warning track after the third inning.
2006-05-01 19:14:45
174.   Sam DC
Can I hold a pointless grudge against triple doubles against our ace pitcher (not to mention no out, base-loading walks to number 8 hitters)?
2006-05-01 19:14:50
175.   Vaudeville Villain

He gets a lot of sacrifice flies.

2006-05-01 19:15:52
176.   xaphor
Irrationally I am going to assume Penny's undoing rests on Alomar's shoulders.
2006-05-01 19:17:00
177.   oldbear
Is Penny hurt or just getting clobbered? He has only 1 K in his last 8+ IP.
2006-05-01 19:17:56
178.   Bob Timmermann


2006-05-01 19:18:21
179.   Vaudeville Villain
177- I'll go with the latter.
2006-05-01 19:19:21
180.   Steve
The old 6-4-3 trick. Gets 'em every time.
2006-05-01 19:19:43
181.   Curtis Lowe
177- His fastball looks stagnant tonight.
2006-05-01 19:19:44
182.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, Arizona had 8 total bases AND a walk in one inning and just got 3 runs.
2006-05-01 19:22:35
183.   oldbear
Good thing Counsell swung 2-0 with the bases juiced. Helped AZ stay out of a big inning.
2006-05-01 19:22:37
184.   Vaudeville Villain
I love Vin, but it's a little early to be talking about the Dodgers's success (or lack of) in one run games isn't it? We have plenty of innings left for Penny to give up a three-run home run to Craig Counsell.
2006-05-01 19:22:51
185.   Curtis Lowe
Back at ya!
2006-05-01 19:23:40
186.   Curtis Lowe
Will someone remind Furcal it is not April anymore.
2006-05-01 19:26:43
187.   xaphor
So Penny's BA now bests Kent and Furcal's...
2006-05-01 19:27:53
188.   Gen3Blue
In Penny's last start, although he did OK he was not looking good. As a matter of fact the only decriptive words that came to me at the time were wounded or injured.
I hope I'm wrong.
2006-05-01 19:29:04
189.   Sam DC
187 Also exactly half of Alomar Jr.'s.
2006-05-01 19:29:30
190.   Sam DC
Comments on the closing punctuation of 189 welcome.
2006-05-01 19:31:13
191.   Jon Weisman
Poor J.D. ...
2006-05-01 19:31:18
192.   Vaudeville Villain
Green robs Drew of a two-run home run. Ah, the Dodgers lead a charmed existence.
2006-05-01 19:31:25
193.   Andrew Shimmin
Shawn Green should be horsewhipped.
2006-05-01 19:31:46
194.   Curtis Lowe
You got to be kidding me!
2006-05-01 19:32:57
195.   Andrew Shimmin
Hmm, I bet the finger in the burger story is really true this time.
2006-05-01 19:33:57
196.   Jon Weisman
For fairness' sake, I need to remember to mention that Furcal hit a ball 400 feet tonight - thus proving, well, that he can.
2006-05-01 19:34:19
197.   Bob Timmermann

If you're just using a surname, you don't need to use a suffix like "Jr." Unless his father was on the team.

That's just my opinion though.

However, the original idea of "Sr." and "Jr." and "III" were to distinguish among living relatives with the same name. But sometime in the 19th Century, Americans started using the suffixes like they were monarchs or popes and people are now "IV" and "V".

2006-05-01 19:35:41
198.   Curtis Lowe
Is it now okay to Boo Shawn Green?
2006-05-01 19:38:11
199.   xaphor
[196] Let us hope Gagne doesn't take that same approach to his most recent rehab.
2006-05-01 19:39:22
200.   Steve
That's one of those errors that make the category less than helpful.
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2006-05-01 19:39:52
201.   Vishal
choi would've had that.
2006-05-01 19:40:38
202.   xaphor
The lesson for today: Don't get Shawn Green mad.
2006-05-01 19:41:27
203.   Steve
OK, Brett. What did you do with Brad Penny?
2006-05-01 19:42:21
204.   Vaudeville Villain

What, give up 400 foot fly balls, just to prove that he can?

Penny seems to be trying that particular strategy.

2006-05-01 19:44:26
205.   oldbear
I'm concerned with Penny's lack of K's. Last 10IP, he's K'd only 1, while walking 4.
2006-05-01 19:46:06
206.   xaphor
[204] More along the lines of throwing 96+ just to prove he can.
2006-05-01 19:47:17
207.   Uncle Miltie
Thank goodness for Jeff Kent's leadership, otherwise I might have considered him an overpaid underachiever.
2006-05-01 19:47:39
208.   Steve
I was just going to point out to LAT what a great comeback Shawn Green was having, then realized his OPS was still 710.
2006-05-01 19:47:54
209.   Andrew Shimmin
206- It's BOB (not really, but I like BOB better than Chase whatever); the gun is juiced.
2006-05-01 19:48:05
210.   Vaudeville Villain
Not Dodger-related, but about that question Vinny just asked: I think the answer is Cincinatti. I had no idea Edwin Encarnacion was this good. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

Another random thought about Cincinatti: They seem to have a lot of farm position players that come up and succeed. Dunn, Kearns, Pena before he was traded, Lopez, and now Encarnacion. I wonder why they don't have the same success with pitching?

2006-05-01 19:48:31
211.   D4P
But it's 2.50 in May.
2006-05-01 19:49:52
212.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, the Detroit Red Wings.
2006-05-01 19:52:09
213.   Steve
211 -- If Jim Tracy were still his manager, he would bench him until June 1.
2006-05-01 19:54:02
214.   Bob Timmermann
The Pirates and Royals are a combined 1-23 on the road.
2006-05-01 19:55:06
215.   xaphor
[209] Either we're playing grapevine or I'm as clear as the LA sky.

I was suggesting that Furcal trying to clear the centerfield wall just to prove he can, would be akin to Gange trying to throw heat while rehabbing his arm. The overall success of both is limited at best.

2006-05-01 19:57:56
216.   Andrew Shimmin
215- Ah-ha! I had a feeling I didn't get it, but it'd been so long since I'd last posted. . .
2006-05-01 19:58:32
217.   Steve
How is Jim Tracy going to put his players in a position to succeed if they have to play all those nasty road games?
2006-05-01 19:58:49
218.   thinkblue0
so when is Flanders going to go out and get the power hitting corner outfielder that we need so badly?

Our offense is abysmal right now. And doesn't EVERYONE agree that carter and hamulack need to go?

2006-05-01 20:02:44
219.   Vaudeville Villain

I guess he could tell them to stay home. They wouldn't be in a position to succeed, but they wouldn't really be in a position to fail either.

2006-05-01 20:03:49
220.   xaphor
[217] How are you supposed to put a player in a position to succeed when they play for the Pirates?
2006-05-01 20:04:44
221.   Steve
2006-05-01 20:06:41
222.   xaphor
The decision to let Jim Tracy go was a tough one, but we thought it the best way to put our players in a position to succeed.
2006-05-01 20:07:29
223.   Bob Timmermann
Mark Bellhorn is batting cleanup for San Diego tonight.
2006-05-01 20:13:12
224.   Steve
Shawn Green doesn't do the Oakland thing.
2006-05-01 20:14:35
225.   xaphor
SC guys claiming Arroyo's an ace. "After playing all those tough AL East teams this must feel like a holiday."

Carter should fire his travel agent.

2006-05-01 20:15:36
226.   D4P
Jeff Kent is batting cleanup for LA tonight.
2006-05-01 20:15:55
227.   King of the Hobos
Does anyone know what happened to Eric Hull? Along with Carter and Kuo, Vegas has a third new pitcher, TJ Nall. Hull is on the disabled list, but I have no idea why. At least he can hang out with Wunsch in the broadcast booth (Wunsch, who is also disabled, has been in the booth with Langer lately, at least when I listened)
2006-05-01 20:16:05
228.   thinkblue0

the sad part is that he's better than our cleanup hitter at the moment.

2006-05-01 20:16:43
229.   D4P
Drew's OPS has dropped under .900
2006-05-01 20:17:01
230.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have another 5-run inning. They have solved the riddle of Jamey "Cy Young" Wright.
2006-05-01 20:18:26
231.   Bob Timmermann
Now it's a 6-run inning.

The Padres are on fire!

2006-05-01 20:19:06
232.   Bob Timmermann
7-run inning!
2006-05-01 20:19:26
233.   Steve
"N" "O" "Mar"

"N" "O" "Mar"

2006-05-01 20:20:07
234.   D4P
Old Friend Dave Roberts with a 2-run double.
2006-05-01 20:20:13
235.   Steve
"Mis" "Ter" "Hamm"

"Mis" "Ter" "Hamm"

2006-05-01 20:22:07
236.   xaphor
The heart of the order coming up, Alomar and Penny. Lets go Dodgers...


2006-05-01 20:22:18
237.   D4P
"Al" "O" "Mar"
"Doub" "Le" "Play"
2006-05-01 20:22:18
238.   Goozmani
Sandy Alomar, Jr. in the hall?
2006-05-01 20:22:20
239.   thinkblue0
I think I may be done watching Dodger baseball for like a week or's almost like we try to lose.
2006-05-01 20:22:34
240.   Marty
Boy, it's fun to watch Alomar run down to first. Long-lasting fun too.
2006-05-01 20:24:04
241.   xaphor
[235] If Nomar wins a World Series, will he take off his shirt?
2006-05-01 20:24:39
242.   Steve
I wonder if Repko feels the awesome responsibility of being The Last Jason Standing
2006-05-01 20:26:30
243.   D4P
Werth can stand, he just can't use his arm.
2006-05-01 20:26:31
244.   Vishal
[232] facing lance carter must be like the elixer of confidence for a major league hitter.
2006-05-01 20:26:43
245.   Bob Timmermann

Nomar has already posed in SI with his shirt off.

And I think you know the difference between Mia Hamm and Brandi Chastain.

If you ever watch an MLS game on ESPN and Brandi Chastain is doing interviews, you would cringe. She just seems like she would be good at it. She's not at. Mia Hamm would be worse and she knows it.

2006-05-01 20:31:00
246.   Steve
Carter should fire his travel agent.

We should fire his travel agent.

2006-05-01 20:32:28
247.   D4P
2006-05-01 20:33:05
248.   tjshere
The home plate ump sounds not unlike a barking seal when he calls a strike.
2006-05-01 20:34:22
249.   D4P
Penny currently has a "quality start."
2006-05-01 20:39:20
250.   Jon Weisman
Ned Colletti: "Carter has big-league experience. He could get straightened out in days. Kuo could take a little longer. Most of his pitching has been rehabbing [from two Tommy John elbow reconstructions]."
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2006-05-01 20:40:09
251.   Jon Weisman
That's from Ken Gurnick, by the way. And it's not a very lucid quote, in my mind.
2006-05-01 20:40:11
252.   Jon Weisman
That's from Ken Gurnick, by the way. And it's not a very lucid quote, in my mind.
2006-05-01 20:40:17
253.   Steve
Now, does the Church of Repko do potlucks, because I have some good chili recipes.
2006-05-01 20:40:34
254.   Jon Weisman
Dang it - that wasn't my cellphone's fault.
2006-05-01 20:41:10
255.   Vishal
nice at-bat from repko.
2006-05-01 20:42:09
256.   Bob Timmermann

If the Church of Repko were Catholic, it would serve pancakes for dinner. Or have fish fries.

2006-05-01 20:42:14
257.   Steve
And now see 109, and that clears it up.
2006-05-01 20:43:23
258.   King of the Hobos
Carter's Vegas debut: single, DP, K

Kuo's Vegas debut: BB, force out, BB, force out, pick off that resulted in a run scoring while getting the out

2006-05-01 20:43:26
259.   Andrew Shimmin
Beimel was signed to a minor league contract, right? Does that mean he can be sent back, or is he going to end up waived, next week, when Colletti recalls Carter?

I just got an uneasy vision of Delwyn Young in a Dodger uniform. . .

2006-05-01 20:43:32
260.   thinkblue0

can't we just flat out release Carter?

2006-05-01 20:44:13
261.   Steve
260 -- We don't release guys with options left! What are you thinking?
2006-05-01 20:44:40
262.   Steve
Does Furcal have any options left? Like ballet, or bowling?
2006-05-01 20:45:35
263.   Andrew Shimmin
257- I didn't check Dodger Math till this evening, and I see that I was cribbing regfairfield's arguments (and, much more embarrassing, even some of his language). Although he seems to be happier about the move, so it's not a complete copy and paste job.
2006-05-01 20:45:41
264.   D4P
Not only 261, but you can't release a guy after just trading a (reasonably) highly-rated prospect for him. It looks bad.
2006-05-01 20:46:05
265.   D4P
2006-05-01 20:46:40
266.   Jon Weisman
I forgot that Kent was batting .556 (5 for 9) after the Atlanta series. Since then, he's 11 for 76. Kent's slump was 4 for his last 40 entering this game.
2006-05-01 20:46:47
267.   Andrew Shimmin
Beimel or Ezequiel Astacio: who's uglier?
2006-05-01 20:46:54
268.   Bob Timmermann
When it's Beimel turn to go back to the minors, I believe he would have to be outrighted. Beimel could turn down the assignment and become a free agent if he thinks someone else wants him.
2006-05-01 20:47:39
269.   Jon Weisman
Does Beimel like bechamel?
2006-05-01 20:47:41
270.   King of the Hobos
If Beimel can grow out his beard a little more, he should immediately earn a permanent spot in the bullpen
2006-05-01 20:48:08
271.   Gen3Blue
Izzy's coming
and the cards say
2006-05-01 20:48:54
272.   Bob Timmermann
Felipe Alou figured that 8 runs surrendered were enough for Jamey Wright.

If the wheels starting come off the Jamey Wright Wagon, the house of cards that is the San Francisco Giants will collapse faster than an old levee in New Orleans.

How many metaphors in that sentence?

2006-05-01 20:49:03
273.   xaphor
[245] Many an England commentator have driven me to listening to soccer with the sound off. Vin Scully for 45 minutes each way would be a dream.
2006-05-01 20:49:20
274.   Gen3Blue
Beimel sure looked good at LV.
2006-05-01 20:50:15
275.   Andrew Shimmin
A newly discovered problem with the Beimel/Broxton for Kuo/Carter move is that Grittle doesn't understand Beimel shouldn't be in this game.
2006-05-01 20:50:17
276.   Steve
That's funny Miltie, I'm watching Grady Little, and Forrest Gump is coming to mind.
2006-05-01 20:50:27
277.   oldbear
Kuo's Vegas debut: BB, force out, BB, force out, pick off

And who says Kuo cant hold baserunners? I just find it a pretty absurd coincidence that Colletti mentioned Kuo having trouble holding runners, and in his first game he picks one off.

2006-05-01 20:51:34
278.   D4P
Beimel is a situational lefty. This is a situation.
2006-05-01 20:51:45
279.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, this is America and England takes a singular verb! Don't make your collective nouns plural when you're coming over to this side of the pond.

We might have to rumble over this.

2006-05-01 20:52:55
280.   Steve
Soooo...we meet again.
2006-05-01 20:54:53
281.   Steve
The sounds of Barbra Streisand waft over the Green at-bat. "of...the...way...we...werrre"
2006-05-01 20:54:54
282.   D4P
Carter opened the Padres' floodgate.
2006-05-01 20:55:56
283.   xaphor
[279] Don't make me sing your national anthem in Español.
2006-05-01 20:56:44
284.   Scanman33
Seth McClung, Jesus Colome, Travis Harper, Trever Miller. Who are all these people? They were members of the Tampa Bay bullpen chosen over the likes of Lance Carter and Joe Beimel in 2005. Now, the Rays pen wasn't exactly confused with the Nasty Boys of the 90 Reds. So what exactly are those two doing occupying space on the Dodger 40-man roster, much less the L.A. bullpen?
2006-05-01 20:57:39
285.   Bob Timmermann
Trever Miller was briefly a Dodger.

I tried to forget him, but I actually saw him pitch.


2006-05-01 20:57:42
286.   Bob Timmermann
Trever Miller was briefly a Dodger.

I tried to forget him, but I actually saw him pitch.


2006-05-01 20:58:04
287.   Bob Timmermann
I wanted to make sure everyone remembered Trever Miller.
2006-05-01 20:58:20
288.   D4P
Drew's not OPSing down at .871. Nate's not around to report on his E(PA).
2006-05-01 20:58:39
289.   Vishal
[279] the noun is commentator, which is singular.
2006-05-01 20:59:03
290.   D4P
Is it too early to extend Kent's contract?
2006-05-01 20:59:24
291.   Scanman33
And that his first name is spelled TrevEr.
2006-05-01 20:59:29
292.   Steve
Hey, guys, the plane doesn't leave until tomorrow night.
2006-05-01 21:00:52
293.   Scanman33
286-See, that should be the natural order of things. Once they stink it up as a Dodger, teams like the Rays should be grabbing them in a desperate attempt to fill slots in their horrific bullpen, not the other way around.
2006-05-01 21:01:52
294.   Bob Timmermann

The subject and verb still don't agree in that sentence.

2006-05-01 21:02:36
295.   thinkblue0

it looks worse when he's on the mound.

2006-05-01 21:03:06
296.   Steve
Trever is the verb. Ex: "Lance and Danys trevered yesterday's game"

Trevor is the noun.

2006-05-01 21:05:41
297.   Jon Weisman
I think Broxton is a svelte 288.
2006-05-01 21:06:01
298.   Steve
He's got a point there D4P
2006-05-01 21:06:36
299.   Bob Timmermann

I remember watching a documentary on the 1982 World Cup narrated by Sean Connery and during the whole thing he kept using plural verbs with country names. I was irritated. Irritated like giving a player two errors on one play.

2006-05-01 21:07:09
300.   Vishal
and el toro guns him down...
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2006-05-01 21:07:51
301.   fawnkyj
DA' Bull!
2006-05-01 21:08:50
302.   D4P
Yes, but "releasing him" and "playing him" are not the only options.

(see: Lucille II)

2006-05-01 21:10:06
303.   Jon Weisman
Is there a reason to double-switch Kent out of the game in the middle of the eighth - considering that the pitcher's spot isn't due up for five batters, that Broxton isn't likely to pitch more than two innings, and that you don't want Oscar Robles to bat in the ninth - other than Kent having a physical problem?

If Kent were okay, I'd have left him in and chosen my pinch-hitter in the ninth, if needed, according to the situation.

2006-05-01 21:11:58
304.   Jon Weisman
Nomar, my friend, that looked like it caught plenty of the plate.
2006-05-01 21:14:32
305.   xaphor
[299] Just count yourself lucky to have so much to live for. :)
2006-05-01 21:16:58
306.   xaphor
That was a nice belly flop into second by Saenz.
2006-05-01 21:17:20
307.   Vishal
that wasn't a slide; it was a belly-flop.
2006-05-01 21:17:56
308.   Jon Weisman
I thought Saenz might need a pinch-runner just for the trip back to the dugout.
2006-05-01 21:18:25
309.   thinkblue0
craig counsell is the bane of my existence.
2006-05-01 21:19:07
310.   Vishal
tsk, tsk. sliding to first never works.
2006-05-01 21:19:09
311.   thinkblue0
if we don't get someone who can drive in some runs, this is going to be a very looooooooooong year.
2006-05-01 21:19:10
312.   D4P
The hot-hitters from the early part of the season (Drew, Mueller, Repko) are all cooling off.
2006-05-01 21:19:19
313.   Bob Timmermann
Some people say Craig Counsell reminds them of a young Jon Weisman playing kickball.
2006-05-01 21:19:25
314.   Jon Weisman
Repko's groundout was just like Odalis' pinch-hit groundout last week. For a moment, I thought it was going through.
2006-05-01 21:20:13
315.   Jon Weisman
313 - Fielding in kickball is overrated, though.
2006-05-01 21:20:17
316.   D4P
We have a Proven 100-RBI guy hitting 4th and a guy who has been ordained to drive in 100 runs this year hitting 5th.
2006-05-01 21:22:20
317.   oldbear
If Repko is gonna play everyday and bat 8th, one wonders if he'll keep showing the patience he had shown, or revert back to last year. I doubt he gets much to hit batting 8th. Either he'll take his walks or he'll OBP sub .300.
2006-05-01 21:22:32
318.   Steve
going to be?
2006-05-01 21:22:45
319.   thinkblue0

And we don't have a single guy on our roster who is going to hit 30HR. You really need that pop somewhere in the lineup.

And there isn't a chance Nomar drives in 100 runs this year. I'd be just about anything on that...

2006-05-01 21:22:47
320.   Bob Timmermann
Now that I've switched to Anaheim, I am puzzled as to why an African-American came to have the name Howie Kendrick.

Howie Kendrick should be running a deli.

2006-05-01 21:23:06
321.   xaphor
[310] Scrappy is as scrappy does.
2006-05-01 21:26:12
322.   D4P
And we don't have a single guy on our roster who is going to hit 30HR.

But this is a team effort. Together, the boys will combine for well over 30 HRs. It doesn't matter if one guy hits 30 or multiple guys combine to hit 30.

2006-05-01 21:27:07
323.   Kayaker7
320 Howie is Swahili for "Deli Owner."
2006-05-01 21:29:00
324.   thinkblue0

are you kidding? or are you serious?

I'm sorry, but you NEED a legit power threat in your lineup. Otherwise you have what's happening right now. The only way we score is when we string two or three hits together...that's all fun and games until your guys get cold. You need one legit power threat in your lineup or you're not going to win anything.....

2006-05-01 21:36:00
325.   Jon Weisman
324 - Poor thinkblue0 ... this week has really scarred you.

I'm pretty sure D4P isn't going to be satisfied with a team total of 30 homers.

2006-05-01 21:38:33
326.   D4P
You need one legit power threat in your lineup or you're not going to win anything

That sounds like putting all our eggs in one basket. What if that power threat gets hurt, then what? Much better to have a team full of proven mediocre players each of whom does not make a disproportionately large contribution to the team's offense. That way, if they get hurt, you don't really miss them all that much and they can be replaced. But if you rely on a superstar, and he goes down to injury, you're in big trouble.

2006-05-01 21:39:55
327.   oldbear
So is that 2-9 in 1-run games?
2006-05-01 21:41:23
328.   oldbear
Much better to have a team full of proven mediocre players

LOL...Lofton can only light one fire at a time.

2006-05-01 21:43:24
329.   thinkblue0
That way, if they get hurt, you don't really miss them all that much and they can be replaced. But if you rely on a superstar, and he goes down to injury, you're in big trouble.

uh, since when did I say we'd rely on one guy? All I'm saying is we need a power hitting corner OF'er to put in the middle of our lineup. That's not relying on one guy, it's ADDING to what we already have.

In other words...are you telling me you'd rather have like Cruz/Repko than Cabrera, Dunn, Carlos Lee etc etc?

2006-05-01 21:45:08
330.   thinkblue0

it's not just necessarily this week. I don't hate this team by any means, but let's face it, we need another bat there in the middle of the lineup. We've got LF open, so it stands to reason that we should be able to go out and get someone that can drive in some runs, hit a few homers, and just basically make our lineup more dangerous.

2006-05-01 21:47:31
331.   oldbear
He might be saying that since the rest of the cast is all proven and mediocre, that getting 1 more hitter really wont make much of a difference.
2006-05-01 21:51:57
332.   Andrew Shimmin
329- D4P: still kidding, after all these tears.
2006-05-01 21:52:54
333.   thinkblue0

yeah, the difference is I'm used to the official Dodger board where people write stuff like that...but they're actually serious.

2006-05-01 22:09:00
334.   Bob Timmermann
In the last three years I've seen:

1) the Red Sox win the World Series.
2) the White Sox win the World Series.
3) the Clippers win an NBA playoff series that was best of seven.

And Lawler's Law applies in Game 5!

2006-05-01 22:19:34
335.   Andrew Shimmin
In the last two seasons, I've seen:

[T]he best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical
naked. . .

2006-05-01 22:56:00
336.   Xeifrank
Tough loss tonight. I pretty much missed the whole game, but that's probably a good thing. Sim program drops to 2-1. Can't believe they couldn't score with bases loaded and one out (actually I can). Did everyone enjoy the "Gringo Boycott" today? Can't say I was directly affected but the celery fields were empty and the local car wash was closed. Felt like donating my services to any business that wanted to stay open. Time for bed. vr, Xei
2006-05-01 22:56:04
337.   natepurcell
matt kemp has been a beast lately.

went 3-5 with a 2b, 3b and hr tonight.

hes numbers so far this season:

101AB 11doubles 2triples 4hr 9bb 17k 4SB 1CS

disgusting numbers.

also miller pitched 3 innings today 1 hit 0runs 1bb 3k, first time all season. it seems they are gradually increasing his pitch count to get him back into the rotation eventually.

2006-05-01 22:57:58
338.   Linkmeister
335 Ok, my early-season award for "Most Erudition Displayed After Another One-Run Loss" goes to...the guy who quotes "Howl."
2006-05-01 22:59:23
339.   LAT
Didn't see the game tonight but I know at least one person who is happy.

I am willing to leave Kent right where he is. There is just no way this slump is going to last much longer. Not Kent. Long slumps are for mere mortals. Furcal, I'm not so sure.

Just when I thought I was done with the NBA it lloks like it will be Lakers and Clips. Here's hoping the Clips take them in 6 or less.

Just saw the clip of Green's catch (ESPN Top Ten). Man, does he look like a white guy when he jumps.

2006-05-01 23:05:51
340.   Bob Timmermann
I've put up with a lot of implausibilities in "24", but tonight, I'm just too angry.

They're showing a bar serving drinks in a hotel in California AFTER 2 AM!!

That's against the law!

2006-05-01 23:08:27
341.   LAT
Doug Mirabelli, a back-up catcher, throws out his first runner his first game back in Boston. Sheesh. Why can't we throw anyone out.
2006-05-01 23:08:58
342.   coachjpark
Beimel's kid was born in 1997; hence, he wears 97. Simple and straightforward, I guess.

This is random speculation, but if DePo was still at the helm, we'd probably have gone with Broxton at closer, don't you think? And couldn't one argue that spending $400,000 on Broxton at closer is better than $4,000,000 for Baez? Pure speculation, obviously, but one wonders what kind of team we could have had with logical, reasonable sabermetric analysis rather than Coletti's non-sabermetric decision-making process...

Wonder if Seo would still be on the team in DePo World??? I think so, no?

2006-05-01 23:14:53
343.   LAT
Saw "friends with Money" tonight. Nothing special. Its really a television show, if anything. Fairly self-indulgent--everyone unhappy with their own life choices and wallowing in it. Jennifer Aniston is completly unbeliveable as a housekeeper. To the extent there really is a 30 yr old white woman cleaning houses in West LA, she doesn't look like Aniston. Its a rental at best.
2006-05-01 23:16:14
344.   PennyJavy

Maybe Duaner Sanchez would have been our closer?

2006-05-01 23:16:36
345.   Steve
Friends With Money?
2006-05-01 23:17:16
346.   regfairfield
340 I think I laughed harder at Chloe becoming charming, then tazering the guy than anything I've ever seen on television.

342 I think if DePo were offered that same trade, he'd do it in a heart beat. Sanchez, while nice, was a guy we pulled off waivers. Seo can be a league average starter while making nothing. Worst case scenario, he can do as well as Duaner did coming out of the pen.

2006-05-01 23:27:16
347.   LAT
345. Its a small Sony Pictures release. I think its destined to stay small.
2006-05-01 23:34:30
348.   Bob Timmermann
It's destined to become one of those movies that men will only attend if they can make a loud sigh before it starts.
2006-05-01 23:43:55
349.   das411
347, 348 - And comment on DT from their cellphones while seeing it? :)
2006-05-02 00:10:30
350.   Bob Timmermann
Tony Jackson of the Daily News reports that Ricky Ledee went on the DL after the game and Andre Ethier was called up to replace him.
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2006-05-02 00:11:00
351.   Bob Timmermann
And Ethier is supposed to start in left field Tuesday.
2006-05-02 00:14:41
352.   Andrew Shimmin
Sounds about right. It wasn't a full Nomar, but when Ledee went down, it looked like he'd be done for a while. I was hoping for Young, so, foiled again.
2006-05-02 00:24:42
353.   natepurcell
it has begun.......




............mortal kombaattt!!!

dah dun dah dun, dah dun dun dun..!

2006-05-02 01:01:47
354.   Uncle Miltie
In other words...are you telling me you'd rather have like Cruz/Repko than Cabrera, Dunn, Carlos Lee etc etc
Are you telling me that you want a team full of rally killers? We need guys who can play small ball and get in the pitchers head. Scott Podsednik and Juan Pierre bring a different dimension to the game. Speed and small ball wins games. Just look at the Angels. Do you really think they would have won the World Series without Darrin Erstad, Alex Ochoa, and pinch runner Chone Figgins?

Tony Jackson of the Daily News reports that Ricky Ledee went on the DL after the game and Andre Ethier was called up to replace him.
Ethier should platoon in LF with Repko

Jon, you better include something about the Clippers series win in your post tomorrow. I know there are at least 2 Clippers fans who post here (me and ToyCannon). And yes, that was an ultimatum :)

2006-05-02 01:21:22
355.   thinkblue0
We need guys who can play small ball and get in the pitchers head. Scott Podsednik and Juan Pierre bring a different dimension to the game. Speed and small ball wins games.

yeah, if you have a dominant pitching staff. We certainly don't have that. We already HAVE the speed in Furcal and Lofton, but wouldn't it be nice to have a legit hitter to plug into the middle of the order than Repko/Cruz/whoever else.

Comments always get twisted and turned. I'm not advocating a lineup of all Adam Dunn type players...what I'm saying is that with the lineup we have now, it'd be nice to be able to plug in one legit HR threat to go along with what we already have.

How soon people forget that guys like Podsednik and Pierre also had guys like Cabrera and Konerko. Everyone loves to talk about the fact that the White Sox played small ball to win...true, but they also had the best staff in the majors AND they had guys with some pop.

That's all Im saying...keep things where they're at, just add another bat. We've got a hole in LF to plug someone, so it's not a personnel issue as far as someone losing playing time is concerned. If Bob was right, I'm looking forward to seeing Eithier tomorrow...I think the kid can be a solid major leaguer....

2006-05-02 01:40:57
356.   oldbear
Thinkblue, turn on your sarcasm detector. Pretty much everyone that posts here thinks the team would be better with more power hitters, and players in their primes, rather than old guys with little power.

Miltie was just messin around.

2006-05-02 01:51:30
357.   cdbavg400
Did anyone else notice the Choi sighting on tonight?

2006-05-02 04:01:28
358.   Sam DC
After some nutty "only in dc" manuevering by the Night Owl, and others, mlb officials now confirm to the Post that the Nationals will be sold to the Lerners.

2006-05-02 05:57:47
359.   Purple Hippopotamus
Did anyone see this coming?

(look at the chat list)

Is half a McCourt really an authority on anything?

2006-05-02 07:02:31
360.   Sam DC
Wow -- I missed that completely.
2006-05-02 07:26:06
361.   Vishal
[354] hey, i am too! (a clipper fan, that is)
2006-05-02 07:49:18
362.   Sam DC
Well, the time difference does allow us east coasters to fill up the bottoms of these threads.

If you feel like grimacing at Frank Robinson being a jerk, this post at Capitol Punishment covers his reaction to last night's miserable throw by Majewski.

Earlier post by the same writer has an interesting observation: After an infield miscommunicaiton, both Vidro and Clayton covered second, which Majewski says startled him. Not much of an excuse or anything, but still an intersting part of the actual story of the play.

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