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Ooh, Don Noodles
2006-05-11 10:00
by Jon Weisman

Forty years ago today, Don Sutton threw the first shutout of his career. Bob Timmermann has the details in today's Random Game Callback at The Griddle - and I'm sure he'd welcome your thoughts or recollections.

* * *

Today's 12:10 p.m. game

Businessman's special. Too bad I'm not a businessman.

Comments (344)
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2006-05-11 10:07:29
1.   adamclyde
hooray for the day game. Now I can waste my employer's time rather than losing sleep while watching game day out here on the East Coast... I hereby propose we stop using lights at Dodger stadium and force all game to be played in the day.
2006-05-11 10:16:15
2.   D4P
2006-05-11 10:17:44
3.   Sam DC
I'm in.
2006-05-11 10:21:20
4.   Jacob L
I don't know about that, but I do think the Dodgers should play more home day games, especially once kids are out of school.

In recent years, it seems, they get as good, if not better attendance, than a typical mid-week night game. Besides, I've reached the point in my career where one or two chances per season to ditch work is not sufficient.

2006-05-11 10:23:54
5.   Bob Timmermann
I think the Dodgers do play more midweek day games than they used to. I think the MLBPA complained about all the late night getaways. Both the Dodgers and Angels played very few midweek day games in the past.

Even places where it's really uncomfortable to play a day game, like Texas or Atlanta or St. Louis, has its share of day games. I remember when the Braves and Rangers would play the majority of their Sunday games at night.

But I'm old ...

2006-05-11 10:29:01
6.   D4P
I remember when the Cubs would play all of their everyday games during the day.
2006-05-11 10:35:24
7.   Sam DC
Tom Boswell (in a net-only column) pens a love letter to Alfonso Soriano today, suggesting that the Nationals should push to re-sign him. It has this line: "Only one Washington player in 70 years has been as charismatic at Soriano."

Quite a statement.

2006-05-11 10:37:28
8.   Bob Timmermann
Seeing that there weren't any Washington players for over 30 years, it's a small group to choose from.

I guess Boswell didn't like Norm Siebern or Camilo Pascual.

2006-05-11 10:37:47
9.   Jon Weisman
7 - Maybe he meant, "Only one Washington Nationals player ..."
2006-05-11 10:41:57
10.   Jacob L
5 "More than they used to" is kind of like saying "only one Washington player in 70 years."

Counting opening day, there are 4 midweek day games this year. In typical years past, there would be 3, so that is a 33% increase. That said, I think every time a homestand ends in the middle of the week, they play a day game.

2006-05-11 10:42:02
11.   Bob Timmermann
Officially, the AL Washington team was the Nationals for most of its history before it moved to Minnesota. It was just that no one called them that and everybody called them the Senators. Then before the Griffiths moved the team, they switched to Senators.

The expansion team that became the Texas Rangers was always the Senators.

2006-05-11 10:43:55
12.   Michael Green
7--Maybe he means Frank Howard is the other one. But as good a baseball historian and writer as Boswell is, he's forgetting about some pretty good and interesting Senators players.
2006-05-11 10:43:56
13.   Jacob L
Maybe he also meant to include players from the Washington Huskies, though I can't think of any. John Olerud went to WSU, and is not known for his charisma.
2006-05-11 10:47:38
14.   Sam DC
The other player is Howard.
2006-05-11 10:48:30
15.   Curtis Lowe
Did anyone else notice the wins in the NLWEST are sequenced?






2006-05-11 10:48:38
16.   Marty
Walter "Big Train" Johnson wasn't charismatic ?
2006-05-11 10:51:54
17.   Jacob L
16 No, he was not. Had not somebody come up with "big train," an obvious reference to his size and power, his teammates were all set to dub him Walter "Big Boring Guy" Johnson.
2006-05-11 10:53:52
18.   Bob Timmermann
Walter Johnson was a very nice guy, but not very exciting. Also, 70 years ago, he was no longer playing for Washington.
2006-05-11 10:56:45

bringing up Walter Johnson, I've always wondered how hard he thrue, specialy because he was a side arm thrower.

2006-05-11 10:59:56
20.   bluetahoe
Derek Lowe has been pitching GEMS. We need him to pick up his second victory today. No bullpen malfunctions please.


2006-05-11 11:00:38
21.   DougS
5 I think Bob's right. I have noticed more weekday day games over the last few years, and they're always getaway day games.
2006-05-11 11:01:31
22.   Marty
It's gonna be hot out there today. Good day for homeruns.
2006-05-11 11:02:40

I hope we provide the runs. He's been pitching good but has nothing to show for it.

2006-05-11 11:03:59

I just opened the window, wow it's buetiful (sp) today

2006-05-11 11:05:47
25.   underdog
What about Cy Williams? How charismatic was he? His name gets mentioned a lot these days because he's the only one in history to get off to a faster HR start than Pujols.

Cy was a popular name way back when.

2006-05-11 11:06:39
26.   blue22
Ironically enough, weren't the Nats trying to forcefeed Brad Wilkerson into "most charismatic Nat" last year? He seemed to be at the center of most of their marketing efforts.
2006-05-11 11:08:25
27.   bluetahoe
Buccholz was a good pitcher and we ROCKED him.

Pettitte pitched BRILLIANTLY against us his 1st outing. The next time we ROCKED him.

Wandy Rodriguez pitched BRILLIANTLY against us his 1st outing. ____________________

(We've got a pattern developing. lol....)

2006-05-11 11:14:39
28.   Curtis Lowe
27- Jinxing never helped anybody.
2006-05-11 11:16:25
29.   Marty
I swear, sometimes I think BlueTahoe is really Lasorda :)
2006-05-11 11:18:05
30.   Midwest Blue
BlueTahoe or BlueYahoo?

Anyway, Chicago votes for more day games, too. Mayor Daley says you must have more, so it shall be done.

2006-05-11 11:22:38
31.   Bob Timmermann
"Businessman's special" used to mean the game would start around 4, so you could leave the office early and go to the game. But this was in an era when games would finish in less than two hours.

The Dodgers used to play these midweek games starting at 1:10, but they've moved them up so they don't mess up traffic as much.

2006-05-11 11:24:55
32.   Curtis Lowe
Gammons has a good article up comparing Hochevers situation to Harringtons. Pretty good story to teach against avarice.
2006-05-11 11:25:07

you guys still have alot of day games no?

2006-05-11 11:27:19
34.   Bob Timmermann
Cy Williams is believed to be the first batter to receive a pronounced infield shift. It was believed that it was first done for Ted Williams, but historians now believe that it was actually Cy who got the first "Williams shift". Cy was a lefty and apparently a dead pull hitter.

Arizona and Pittsburgh rained out. The game will be made up on June 19. The DBacks will be stopping off in Pittsburgh en route from Texas to Tampa Bay. The Pirates will play in KC on June 20.

Yep, the Pirates and Royals are meeting in interleague play.


2006-05-11 11:31:12
35.   bluetahoe
Hey guys. I see Gio Carrara is back. He reminds me of Jason Vorhees. LOL.....

Does anyone think he'll be back with the big club? Right now I think he's a better option than Osoria or Hamulak. He was a real bolt of lightning for us when he got called up in 2004. Maybe he can do it again. Any thoughts?

2006-05-11 11:34:27
36.   underdog
Right now I'd be a better option than Hamulack. Hard to know about Cararra, but they may very well call him up as soon as they give up on one of the other struggling hurlers.

34 Thanks!

2006-05-11 11:35:11
37.   Marty
Pirates and Royals. Whoa Nellie, it's gonna be a donnybrook.
2006-05-11 11:36:09
38.   Marty
No Gio at any time. I actually don't want him infecting the minor league players either.
2006-05-11 11:36:50
39.   underdog
38 Too late, the Carrara strain has already spread to the 51s.
2006-05-11 11:38:22
40.   Jacob L
I believe Tracy is due some payback against KC.
2006-05-11 11:38:46
41.   Bob Timmermann
I think Gio Carrara works for the Hanso Foundation.
2006-05-11 11:40:31
42.   DXMachina
1. 2., and 3.
The delegate from Rhode Island agrees.

I saw Gio pitch against Pawtucket in early April. He was brought into a 0-0 tie in the tenth, proceeded to load the bases, and then gave up the game winning sacrifice fly to Dustin Mohr. It was like deja vu all over again.

2006-05-11 11:41:17
43.   bluetahoe
I saw Lance Carter got the win yesterday. 1 inning. 3 hits. AND NO RUNS!!???
2006-05-11 11:43:58

I've always liked his ethusiasm plus he seemed to get the job done for us, I like him more then Hamulak.

2006-05-11 11:46:21
45.   Marty
I think Gio is working for the president against Jack Bauer.
2006-05-11 11:47:23
46.   Daniel Zappala
As a scientist, I always feel that you need to establish the lower bound in an experiment, so that you know how good your preferred solution is peforming. I consider Giovanni Carrara to be the lower bound for Las Vegas.
2006-05-11 11:48:02
47.   Linkmeister
"Too bad I'm not a businessman."

Er, writing for money doesn't count?

2006-05-11 11:51:31
48.   bluetahoe
I may head to DC to catch the Dodgers this weekend. The Dodgers stayed at the Ritz-Carlton in Pentagon City last season. Does anyone know if they are staying at the same hotel this season? I hung around outside the hotel before one game last season and got Olmaedo Saenz autograph. I got to see most of the players in civilian clothing. They're not that big.
2006-05-11 11:52:30
49.   Marty
Aren't the Dodgers in SF this weekend?
2006-05-11 11:53:17
50.   bluetahoe
I have to agree with you bluebleeder. I'd give him another shot if Hammy or Ossy fails one more time.
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2006-05-11 11:53:43
51.   bluetahoe
49. I meant the last weekend of the month.
2006-05-11 11:54:05
52.   Curtis Lowe
49- That's what they've been saying but I think it's all a clever ploy.
2006-05-11 11:54:56
53.   Curtis Lowe
50- Hammy? Ossy? Why not Timmy and Franky?
2006-05-11 11:56:14
54.   Marty
The one that was really ridiculous was Belly for Beltre.
2006-05-11 11:58:33
55.   regfairfield
54 I think Ossy pulled into the lead. I had to sit down and think about that one.
2006-05-11 11:59:07
56.   Jacob L
If we're going to stick a "y" at the end of everybody's name, we may as well get Rex Hudler.
2006-05-11 11:59:21
57.   Curtis Lowe
54- That was a good movie.

"I'm the original bomba clot! The real dun dunna!"

2006-05-11 12:00:54
58.   Jacob L
I think we need to have a game start, or something.
2006-05-11 12:02:07
59.   regfairfield
Considering Lowey's track record during day games at Dodger Stadium, I'm not too enthusiastic today.
2006-05-11 12:03:21
60.   Jon Weisman
47 - All I know is that this game ain't special enough to allow me to go to it.
2006-05-11 12:04:45
61.   bluetahoe
Lowe's only win came in Pittsburgh in the day. His best start of last season came in the day in Chicago.
2006-05-11 12:04:53
62.   Marty
Today's lineup

Marty (nice)

2006-05-11 12:06:30
63.   Curtis Lowe
Is Meully pronounced Milly or Mule-e
2006-05-11 12:08:37
64.   Curtis Lowe
And the announcer is Vin Scullyy.
2006-05-11 12:08:41
"Marty (nice)"

I don't know that dosn't have a good ring to it.

2006-05-11 12:09:00
66.   Marty
I guess Milly. Like Vanilli.
2006-05-11 12:11:44
67.   D4P
Or is that Muelly Vanuelly...?
2006-05-11 12:14:18
68.   Jon Weisman
Lowe's flyout-groundout ratio so far: infinite.
2006-05-11 12:15:56
69.   D4P
As is his K/BB rate.
2006-05-11 12:16:45
70.   regfairfield
61 Note the "at Dodger Stadium" qualifier. It is a bit of a myth, since his track record is only due to three terrible starts (versus four good ones) but his ERA at Dodger Stadium during the day is 5.21 but, more disturbingly, he's allowed 10 home runs in 39 innings.
2006-05-11 12:19:10
71.   Fallout
62 Marty

Whoo weey

2006-05-11 12:20:05
72.   Jon Weisman
68 - And apparently staying that way.
2006-05-11 12:20:20
73.   Curtis Lowe
"Fu" "rr" "y"

"Fu" "rr" "y"

2006-05-11 12:22:20
74.   Curtis Lowe
"Fu" "rr" "y"

"Fu" "rr" "y"

2006-05-11 12:23:41
the tush cam is back! lol!
2006-05-11 12:24:11
who's watching the game on fsn/prime ticket?
2006-05-11 12:25:55
77.   Curtis Lowe
2006-05-11 12:26:40
78.   Humma Kavula
And then the Nomar double. That play sure paid off.
2006-05-11 12:27:00
79.   Bob Timmermann
Eric Munson threw somebody out?
2006-05-11 12:28:08

it was Furcal Lofton couldn't make contact. (hit & run)

2006-05-11 12:30:01
81.   Sam DC
Can I have fries and a coke with that Hit n Run please?
2006-05-11 12:30:29
82.   Vishal
[68] 0/0 = 0, no?
2006-05-11 12:33:05
83.   D4P

0/X = 0, provided that X is not equal to 0.

X/0 is undefined.

2006-05-11 12:33:31
84.   Curtis Lowe
Game in doubt


2006-05-11 12:34:11
85.   Marty
These Dodgers can divide by zero. They are awesome.
2006-05-11 12:35:23
86.   Vishal
my comment was about x being equal to 0, though.
2006-05-11 12:36:15
87.   Curtis Lowe
2006-05-11 12:36:38
88.   Vishal
figures. every fly ball against lowe has been an out, and the ground balls have been hits.
2006-05-11 12:37:34
89.   Curtis Lowe
88- Irony?
2006-05-11 12:38:05

isn't ironic

2006-05-11 12:38:08
91.   Humma Kavula
89 - like when it rains on your wedding day.
2006-05-11 12:38:42
92.   Bob Timmermann
The Angels have already been rained out in Chicago.
2006-05-11 12:39:13
93.   Curtis Lowe
92- Irony?
2006-05-11 12:40:07
94.   Bob Timmermann

I believe that the International Tribunal for the Determination of Irony has ruled in favor of that post as being irony.

2006-05-11 12:41:25
95.   Humma Kavula
I, for one, believe that the ITDI wields too much power.
2006-05-11 12:44:40
96.   Vishal has a funny way.
2006-05-11 12:45:22
97.   Steve
Motion to Reconsider The Verdict, Your Honor.
2006-05-11 12:47:17
98.   natepurcell
Vin just evoked the "who's to say" argument.

he is one of them!!!

2006-05-11 12:48:46
99.   Vishal
i missed it; who's to say about what?

why would a left-handed starter intentionally walk barry in the FIRST inning? stupid.

2006-05-11 12:49:35
100.   Marty
Garcy to Lowey gets er done.
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2006-05-11 12:49:40
101.   regfairfield
99 To not be the guy who gave up 714.
2006-05-11 12:50:35
102.   Curtis Lowe
Out of spite I would walk Barry every at bat.
2006-05-11 12:50:55
103.   natepurcell
Marty needs to pick it up, thats like 3 straight balls hes chopped into the ground. He needs to be more like Garcy and less like....crappy.
2006-05-11 12:53:44
104.   Marty
Furry, you're a disappointment.
2006-05-11 12:53:46
105.   D4P
Out of spite I would walk Barry every at bat.

I've thought of that before too. It would be nice to see it happen, not only because it would prevent him from hitting HRs, but would force him to run the bases every AB.

2006-05-11 12:56:18
106.   Curtis Lowe
105- I would mix in some HBP too.
2006-05-11 12:56:29
107.   Jon Weisman
94, 96 - It all depends on whether you read my article on groundball pitchers and how that affects your expectations :)
2006-05-11 12:56:56
108.   Curtis Lowe
Who does Bonds have protecting him now that Alou is out?
2006-05-11 12:57:40
109.   regfairfield
2006-05-11 12:58:56
110.   Fallout
>>but would force him to run the bases every AB<<

And serve up a cookie to the next guy to force him to run around the bases. Guess I'm going too far with that idea.

2006-05-11 13:00:12
111.   Curtis Lowe
IBB Bonds then throw a wild pitch to get him to run to 2nd. Then promplty retire the side. Rinse and repeat.
2006-05-11 13:00:40
112.   Marty
And bribe the third base coach to give him the steal sign.
2006-05-11 13:01:17
113.   Jon Weisman
How about we just try to get Bonds out?
2006-05-11 13:01:55
114.   Marty
113 Killjoy
2006-05-11 13:03:07
115.   Curtis Lowe
113- Where's the spite in that?
2006-05-11 13:03:20
116.   D4P
No. Making a mockery of the game in his honor is more befitting.
2006-05-11 13:03:52
117.   Vishal
that should've been an infield fly.
2006-05-11 13:05:19
118.   Curtis Lowe
Maybe Kent should stop switching helmets.
2006-05-11 13:05:28
119.   regfairfield
Infield fly only works with two runners on.
2006-05-11 13:06:28
120.   Jon Weisman
An eye for an eye is not my idea of a productive use of a baseball game. And do you actually think Barry would go, "Whoa, they got me, they got me good" if you walked him every time up.
2006-05-11 13:07:28
121.   Uncle Miltie
Hey, looks who's back. And he did it against Wandy Rodriguez!

106- I would just hit him every time. No point in wasting 4 pitches and making your pitchers walk numbers go up.

2006-05-11 13:08:46
122.   Curtis Lowe
Why not walk the man in front of Bonds, throw a wild pitch then under the guise of trying to throw the runner out plunk Bonds in the head.

Every time.

2006-05-11 13:09:01
123.   Fallout
116 D4P

OK then, picking up on Curtis' idea, make a wild pick off throw to first base to make him work hard by going back to the base then running again to second.

2006-05-11 13:09:01
124.   caseybarker
Please forgive me if someone already mentioned this...

Why not just drill Barry on the first pitch everytime. Drill him up high wher the body armor isn't. Use Broxton and his 98 mph heat for this purpose. Don't do in four pitches what you can do in one.

2006-05-11 13:09:27
125.   D4P
Thanks for the Bonds update, Steiner.
2006-05-11 13:09:31
126.   natepurcell

thats why you hit him.

2006-05-11 13:10:43
127.   caseybarker
Posted after Miltie. It's so hard to have an original thought.
2006-05-11 13:11:34
128.   Curtis Lowe
I feel bad for Lowe's win-loss record.

Why does Brother Derek get no love?

2006-05-11 13:11:45
129.   Vishal
[119] oh yeah, duh.
2006-05-11 13:12:37
130.   Marty
An eye for an eye is not my idea of a productive use of a baseball game.

That put a weird image of my parents scolding me in my mind.

2006-05-11 13:13:00
131.   Fallout
123 That is alternative to Curtis' idea 111 not 122.
2006-05-11 13:14:00
132.   natepurcell

maybe its bad karma for cheating on his wife...or being a blatant drunk... or "____________" or "_______________"

2006-05-11 13:14:44
133.   Jon Weisman
First of all, let me say that I can't tell if this conversation is serious or not. But it seems serious.

People were saying here the other day that they don't want Bonds to be a role model for their kids. I sympathized with those who said that if you think the now-reviled Barry Bonds is the reason your kid takes steroids, then he probably wasn't the only reason.

That doesn't mean I want Bonds to be a role model for my kids. But the idea that making a mockery of the game addresses that concern or punishes Bonds is ludicrous. Nothing personal, but it is truly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read here.

Ignore Bonds. Or use Bonds as a teaching opportunity. But you don't ruin the game and you don't debase yourselves to make a point. You rise above it.

Punishment is good for a crime within the system. Punishment that breaks down the system is counterproductive, to put it mildly.

2006-05-11 13:15:18
134.   Curtis Lowe
132- Wearing FUBU or Getting Sunburned easily.
2006-05-11 13:15:43
135.   Uncle Miltie
Why is Bill Mueller still starting even though he's in a worse slump than Cruz? What was the point of bringing up Aybar? His defense hasn't been very impressive either.
2006-05-11 13:17:04
136.   Marty
Just another walk for Marty.
2006-05-11 13:17:06
137.   Curtis Lowe
The HBP is joke But I would walk him everytime at this point in time if I had a say.
2006-05-11 13:17:10
138.   Vishal
hah, the fox speed gun has wandy throwing in the mid-50s. that can't be right.
2006-05-11 13:18:32
139.   Vishal
but then he threw an 85-mph fastball to lowe by the same gun. is his changeup really in the 50s??
2006-05-11 13:19:26


2006-05-11 13:19:46
141.   Fallout
133 Jon Weisman

All I can say is that my comments were in jest.

2006-05-11 13:19:51
142.   Uncle Miltie
132- or hating non white Americans or wearing pooka (?) shells or chewing tobacco or using a certain drug that is very popular among celebrities.
2006-05-11 13:20:52

OUCH! Low blow!

2006-05-11 13:21:31
144.   Uncle Miltie
136- that line is reserved for Aybar only
2006-05-11 13:21:34
145.   natepurcell
come on mueller, let that go foul or something.
2006-05-11 13:21:39
146.   Vishal
that would've been foul if mueller had let it go.
2006-05-11 13:21:44
147.   Curtis Lowe
Something has to be wrong with Mueller.
2006-05-11 13:22:44
148.   D4P
This has been a very fast game so far.
2006-05-11 13:23:07
149.   Curtis Lowe
Maybe he has a bad hang nail or shut the door on his finger or something.
2006-05-11 13:25:54
150.   Marty
How do you cutesie-up Aybar's name? Aybarry? Ayey?
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2006-05-11 13:26:14
151.   caseybarker
I do believe that the pitcher has a right to hit the batter if he is too close to the plate like Bonds is.
2006-05-11 13:26:30
152.   D4P
2006-05-11 13:26:40
153.   Vishal
[150] ...willy?
2006-05-11 13:26:51
154.   Linkmeister
142 Pedantry watch: "puka" shells. Puka means "hole;" shells with pukas have holes for stringing.
2006-05-11 13:27:02
155.   Vishal
i do like "aybie", though.
2006-05-11 13:27:02
I kinda like that walk to Berkman! (DP)
2006-05-11 13:27:28
157.   Curtis Lowe
Drysdale would've hit Bonds.
2006-05-11 13:27:30
158.   natepurcell
2006-05-11 13:27:39
159.   Marty
Aybie it is!
2006-05-11 13:28:13
160.   Curtis Lowe
2006-05-11 13:28:22
161.   Penarol1916
147. The problem with Mueller is that he's old. That was the only real concern I had with his signing, I love him as a ball player, but he is old, and as I've said on this site time and again, I don't mean to be prejudice, but old people aren't good at anything.
2006-05-11 13:29:44
162.   Curtis Lowe
161- Roger Clemens resents that.
2006-05-11 13:30:20
163.   Sam DC
I'd just like to clarify that Mueller is old in terms of competing as an elite athlete and not necessarily old as a general matter or otherwise having anything to do with me.
2006-05-11 13:30:45
164.   Penarol1916
162. Let him pitch a full season rather than half of one in order to avoid the late season swoon he had last year, and then he can talk to me.
2006-05-11 13:31:33
165.   Sam DC
Mike Lamb is spry. His name even directly connotes youngness.
2006-05-11 13:32:22
166.   Uncle Miltie
Willsy or Wilber?
2006-05-11 13:32:43
167.   Curtis Lowe
Wilber... hehehehe
2006-05-11 13:33:41
168.   Curtis Lowe
I don't know why I defend older players, I am young and should oppose the old.


2006-05-11 13:34:40
That's what I'm taking about Furcal!
2006-05-11 13:34:57
170.   Penarol1916
167. When ever I think of Wilber I think of The Far Side cartoon where Mr. Ed is testifying in a murder trial against Wilbur talking about the crazy look in his eyes.
2006-05-11 13:36:17
171.   Jon Weisman
168 - The young shouldn't oppose the old, so no. What'd the old ever do to you? Did they try to put you down, just because you get around? Did they try to dig what you all say?
2006-05-11 13:36:40
172.   Vishal
as a self-appointed ITDI board member, i'm going to vote "no" on that motion.
2006-05-11 13:36:56
173.   Fallout
I would say that most player's skills diminish because of injuries and not age.
2006-05-11 13:37:46
174.   caseybarker
A Dodger stadium rarity, indeed.
2006-05-11 13:37:54
175.   Vishal
nomar's gonna knock the run in; i can feel it.
2006-05-11 13:38:00
176.   Bob Timmermann

Mike Lamb has been sacrificed eight times.

2006-05-11 13:38:56
177.   Uncle Miltie
Who will finish with a higher OPS, Mueller or Furcal?
2006-05-11 13:38:59
178.   Jon Weisman
176 - He's altariffic.
2006-05-11 13:39:04
179.   Bob Timmermann

I hope I die before I become Roger Daltrey's age.

Wait, no I don't.

2006-05-11 13:40:15
180.   Midwest Blue
Talkin' 'bout your generation...
2006-05-11 13:40:18
181.   Vishal
darn, that must've just been my stomach grumbling that i felt.

[176] terrible. if he becomes a preacher later in life, does he then become "of God"?

2006-05-11 13:41:54
productive out's please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-05-11 13:42:04
183.   Curtis Lowe
That inning was a joke.
2006-05-11 13:42:20
184.   Sam DC
176, 178 He must hate Passover.

Meanwhile, at Dodger Stadium, gameday says Nomar hit it to the centerfielder. But still too short for our speedster tripler to tag up from third?

2006-05-11 13:42:55
185.   Uncle Miltie
Grits should be pleased that Drew didn't kill another rally with one of those stupid walks.
2006-05-11 13:43:01
186.   Jon Weisman
184 - According to the hit chart, it looked like a glorified popout.
2006-05-11 13:43:52
187.   Sam DC
The Sans are scoring in lockstep.
2006-05-11 13:44:04
188.   Linkmeister
Triple to open the inning and no runs? What year is this -- 1962?
2006-05-11 13:44:10
189.   caseybarker
It's bad enough when you don't score with a leadoff 2B, but a leadoff 3B?

And don't forget, that ill-advised hit and run in the first cost us at least one run.

2006-05-11 13:44:42
190.   Sam DC
D'oh -- never mind 187 -- San D ruined it.
2006-05-11 13:44:46
191.   Vishal
it was just behind the 2nd baseman; one of those where the CF, RF, and 2B all converge on it. glorified popout is perfectly apt.
2006-05-11 13:45:56
192.   Curtis Lowe
Looks like the Dodgers will be shutdown by Wandy.
2006-05-11 13:46:31
193.   Jon Weisman
Triple to open the inning and no runs? What is this -- Alfred Hitchock?
2006-05-11 13:48:01
194.   Humma Kavula
2006-05-11 13:48:13
195.   Vishal
2006-05-11 13:48:16
196.   Curtis Lowe
You got to be kidding me!
2006-05-11 13:48:22
what a bad run down play!! UGH!!!!
2006-05-11 13:48:49
198.   regfairfield
How do you score that?
2006-05-11 13:49:12
199.   Humma Kavula
2006-05-11 13:49:17
200.   regfairfield
Ah, thanks Charlie, 6-5-6-1-4 E5.
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2006-05-11 13:49:38
202.   Vishal
at the very least they could have run him back towards 2nd. if wandy was already at 2nd then someone would've had to be out.

and now that lowe's gotten the error to cover him, watch for some unearned runs to score.

2006-05-11 13:50:19
203.   Bob Timmermann
However, Furcal only gets credited with one assist. Mueller pulls off the rare assist-error on one play.
2006-05-11 13:50:29
Furcal blows man!!
2006-05-11 13:50:41
205.   Humma Kavula
[202] You called it.
2006-05-11 13:50:49
206.   Steve
I have another motion to make
2006-05-11 13:50:52
207.   Curtis Lowe
You got to be kidding me!
2006-05-11 13:50:58
I garantee you his shoulder is still sore!!
2006-05-11 13:51:08
209.   regfairfield
One of the few upgrades this team made this offseason was defense.

I dislike small sample sizes.

2006-05-11 13:51:12
210.   Uncle Miltie
Mueller providing the Veteran Leadership™
2006-05-11 13:51:21
211.   D4P
Come on Lowe, induce some flyballs.
2006-05-11 13:52:12
212.   Sam DC
You guys are light years ahead of gameday, that's for sure. All I got is Willy Tavares, "In-play, out(s) recorded."
2006-05-11 13:52:13
that play to Furcal was room service man!! come on!!
2006-05-11 13:52:59
what ever let's just forget that inning & hope we score some runs now!
2006-05-11 13:53:10
215.   Vishal
[205] well, that one wasn't lowe's fault at least.
2006-05-11 13:53:15
216.   regfairfield
Wow, Lowe gets two errors and follows it up with two routine groundballs.
2006-05-11 13:53:23
217.   Sam DC
I see. Gameday has moved on to Bruntlett . . .
2006-05-11 13:53:41
In little if we made a bad run down play like that coach would make us run 3 times around the park!
2006-05-11 13:53:45
219.   Uncle Miltie
Lowe's teammates must really hate him
2006-05-11 13:54:19
220.   Bob Timmermann
If a play takes a long time to appear online, it's because they are waiting on a hit/error call most of the time.

Or the guy working the computer is in the bathroom.

2006-05-11 13:54:59
221.   Curtis Lowe
Maybe the team is angry at Lowe for taking Carolyn out of the clubhouse?
2006-05-11 13:57:48
222.   D4P
Memo to Steiner: don't get so excited over foul balls. Geez.
2006-05-11 13:57:56
223.   natepurcell
hahaha nice AB kent.
2006-05-11 13:57:57
224.   regfairfield
This is a good sign.
2006-05-11 13:58:17
it's still early, COME ON BLUE CREW!
2006-05-11 13:58:22
226.   Vishal
hah! kent hit 3 homers that at-bat. 2 of them were ever so slightly foul, but they had the distance.
2006-05-11 13:58:34
227.   Curtis Lowe
Kent smashed that one.
2006-05-11 13:59:15
228.   Curtis Lowe
err those 3.
2006-05-11 14:02:29
229.   Uncle Miltie
Jeff Kent with a home run of the Eric Chavez/Shawn Green variety
2006-05-11 14:03:02
230.   King of the Hobos
Padres acquired 1B-OF Vince Sinisi and RHP John Hudgins from the Rangers for OF Freddy Guzman and RHP Cesar Rojas.

This could easily be the most worthless trade of the year. Guzman is the best player, but his potential is becoming Tom Goodwin and he's 25. Rojas is 19 but has never pitched in full season minor league ball. Sinisi is 24, inconsistent, and mediocre. Hudgins is a AAAA pitcher

2006-05-11 14:03:21
231.   natepurcell
Roy Smith gives us a Hochevar update at the dodgers blog.

Even though he gives us an update, there wasnt anything new that he said. Way to beat around the bush Roy.

2006-05-11 14:03:30
232.   Vishal
c'mon grady, put in ethier against qualls!

i have a feeling we're gonna see tomato signs anyway though.

2006-05-11 14:03:39
I wish all those 3 foul ball dingers woulda counted it woulda been 4-3 Astros.
2006-05-11 14:05:38
234.   Humma Kavula
I wish the Dodgers could run the bases properly and could field the baseball well. It woulda been a 2-2 tie.
2006-05-11 14:05:38
235.   natepurcell
Jeff Kent with a home run of the Eric Chavez/Shawn Green variety

I dont get it.

2006-05-11 14:06:14
236.   Curtis Lowe
This was a waste of a game.
2006-05-11 14:06:54
"It woulda been a 2-2 tie."

Let's wish together humma kavula

2006-05-11 14:07:02
238.   Uncle Miltie
The Productive Outmaker does it again!
2006-05-11 14:07:28
239.   Uncle Miltie
2006-05-11 14:07:44
240.   Humma Kavula
Well, as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony.
2006-05-11 14:08:31
241.   Marty
Ahh, Taky is in.
2006-05-11 14:09:37
242.   natepurcell


2006-05-11 14:10:44
243.   Marty
242 Right, I forgot.
2006-05-11 14:11:56
244.   Vishal
i can think of a very derisive nickname for "takashi"
2006-05-11 14:12:30
245.   Steve
235 -- He's saying that the Dodgers are way behind, and that is when Kent/Green/Chavez are at their best.
2006-05-11 14:13:38
246.   Curtis Lowe
Saiiittoooo your butt down!
2006-05-11 14:17:19
247.   Uncle Miltie
245- Kent not always, but Green and Chavez (until this year) are the Kings of meaningless home runs
2006-05-11 14:18:02
248.   Jon Weisman
247 - I thought that was the Karros award (that 1992 game vs. Pittsburgh excepted).
2006-05-11 14:19:00
249.   Marty
It was a nice little win streak. I'm going to miss it.
2006-05-11 14:19:08
250.   D4P
Steiner has a tendency to treat every positive event and/or piece of information as if it's earth-shattering and unprecedented.
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2006-05-11 14:19:35
251.   Vishal
[248] me too. but remember, the exception proves the rule. i never understood that phrase until a couple of years ago.
2006-05-11 14:20:14
252.   regfairfield
247 So what is an important home run. And, more importantly, what percentage of home runs are imporant?
2006-05-11 14:23:08
253.   natepurcell
i just wrote a long rant on the dodgers blog concerning hochevar. which can basically be summed up in 2 two words: Sign him.
2006-05-11 14:24:15
254.   regfairfield
God dangit, Charlie.
2006-05-11 14:24:47
255.   Humma Kavula
I hate -- I'm using the word "hate," now -- Charlie Steiner.
2006-05-11 14:25:28
256.   D4P
Hop on board. There's still plenty of room.
2006-05-11 14:25:50
257.   Marty
What did Steiner just do?
2006-05-11 14:26:12
258.   Uncle Miltie
Kind of off topic but my favorite Karros moment was when he hit a ball to left field against the Giants and Bonds missed it and fell to the ground with a pulled hamstring. This should have been an easy inside the park home run but Karros runs like Bengie Molina/Jason Phillips.

Dodger blues describes Karros' running speed best:
"Karros runs like he ________ in his pants"

2006-05-11 14:27:16
259.   King of the Hobos
After Kent's homer, the Dodgers' chance of winning rose roughly .054, from .064 to .118. However, that has fallen to .035 right now
2006-05-11 14:27:42
260.   Vishal
[257] drew hit a long fly ball... i'm assuming charlie overhyped it before it ended up being caught at the warning track.
2006-05-11 14:27:43
261.   Curtis Lowe
253- I read that and am full agreement with you. I like how you basicly told Gary? to shut up.
2006-05-11 14:27:55
262.   regfairfield
2006-05-11 14:28:57
263.   natepurcell
the Bully is in!
2006-05-11 14:31:53
264.   Marty
I wish GameDay posted pitch speeds.
2006-05-11 14:33:00
265.   Humma Kavula
Okay, c'mon, Dodgers! Let's get a win for Broxton!

LET'S GO, DODGERS! clap-clap-clapclapclap

2006-05-11 14:33:48
266.   Jon Weisman
I didn't hear the broadcast, but from the looks of it, wouldn't the average fan have been excited that Drew's ball was possibly going out of the park?

Maybe it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious, does Steiner have to be clairvoyant?

2006-05-11 14:34:15
267.   natepurcell
that last pitch was 95 mph.

broxton wasnt throwing very hard, 91-95 today.

2006-05-11 14:35:22
268.   Humma Kavula
[266] This is no time for level-headed, considerate thought.

This is the time for spite and malice.

2006-05-11 14:36:50
269.   D4P
Jon is decidedly anti-spite&malice today.
2006-05-11 14:37:05
270.   Bob Timmermann
Can't some days just be chalked up to be "just one of those days."

This game seems to have all the hallmarks of that.

2006-05-11 14:38:16
271.   Jon Weisman
269 - Every day. It's why I'm here.

270 - Yes.

2006-05-11 14:40:37
272.   regfairfield
266 Maybe I'm just better at this than most people but I can almost always tell if a ball is going to stay in the park simply by watching the fielders. I'd assume with all of Steiner's expirence he could have the same talent.
2006-05-11 14:40:58
273.   Sam DC
268 Better to take a Walk on the Wild Side.
2006-05-11 14:41:20
274.   Marty
This is not only the end of the Dodger's winning streak, but Toy Cannon's too.
2006-05-11 14:41:26
275.   D4P
wouldn't the average fan have been excited

Possibly, but I'm sure we'd all like to think that the typical VORF (Value Over Replacement Fan) rating of DT posters is much greater than zero.

2006-05-11 14:42:41
276.   Bob Timmermann
I hope ToyCannon is weathering the brutal 69 degree heat at Chavez Ravine.
2006-05-11 14:44:30
277.   Marty
It has to be more than 69. It's supposed to be over 80 at my house.
2006-05-11 14:45:27
I have My rally cap!
2006-05-11 14:45:48
279.   Humma Kavula
[266] Responding seriously... I guess I'd say that the way his voice trailed off at the end told me that it was a routine play for Taveras -- at the wall, but otherwise routine.

When Steiner gets so excited about long fly balls that turn out to be routine plays, I find that annoying. If the ball leaves the bat in a hurry but trails off, I'd like his voice to trail off before the catch to let me know. If instead the fielder makes a great play to make the catch, let his voice reflect that as well.

Setting the benchmark for Steiner as the "average fan" isn't good enough in my book. Steiner sees a lot more fly balls than the average fan does. In my opinion, he oversells way too many of them.

2006-05-11 14:46:02
280.   Jon Weisman
272 - What would you have guess from watching Repko go after a ball hit to the wall?

Steiner has to do his announcing the moment the ball leaves the bat. Unless it's a 450-foot blast, the fielders are going to probably make some move toward the wall. You might know at some point that it's going to stay in the park, but not the moment if leaves the bat.

I think a ball hit to the wall is reason to get excited. And if he exaggerates that excitement slightly, I don't see the harm. (I realize some say he does it too often.)

2006-05-11 14:46:38
281.   King of the Hobos
Martin still has a chance to go 6-0, but apparently Ethier/Alomar have a better chance at winning this thing
2006-05-11 14:46:56
282.   JoeyP
Pulling Martin for Ethier?
2006-05-11 14:47:20
283.   Bob Timmermann
The Gameday app says it's 69 and when I went out for lunch Downtown that seemed about right.
2006-05-11 14:47:20
284.   Jon Weisman
It's 68 and partly flourescent where I am.
2006-05-11 14:47:49
285.   D4P
I'm assuming the Ethier substitution is a lefty-righty thing.
2006-05-11 14:47:57
286.   DodgerJoe
281...I agree. I see no point.
2006-05-11 14:48:10
287.   Jon Weisman
Wow, I'm rather stunned by that Ethier move - even if it works out. Especially with one out. Nothing against Ethier, but Martin against a wild pitcher is a good thing.
2006-05-11 14:48:24
288.   King of the Hobos
Bad swing for Ethier. Maybe Aybar can show off some of that power from Vegas right now
2006-05-11 14:48:39
289.   Jon Weisman
Save Ethier to bat for Broxton.
2006-05-11 14:49:20
What he hell was that all about!?
2006-05-11 14:50:51
291.   JoeyP
Just another "in play-run scoring play" for Willy Aybar. Hopefully he starts every game this weekend.
2006-05-11 14:51:17
292.   Gen3Blue
Man, this third base coach has to learn baseball. Then the baserunners are going to have to look at him.
2006-05-11 14:51:30
293.   Marty
Can't Aybie bat for Furry too?
2006-05-11 14:51:47
294.   regfairfield
272 True, those border line calls are much harder to make, but the way Steiner makes those calls, he makes it seem like its a sure thing, 450 foot blast.

On calls like that, Vinny starts subdued then gets more excited as it gets closer to the wall. I guess I was trained to expect a sure thing when I here Steiner immediately speaking entirely in capital letters.

2006-05-11 14:52:22
OH MY GOD GUYS!! WHOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-05-11 14:52:23
296.   natepurcell
this is fun!
2006-05-11 14:52:45
297.   D4P
Yeah. If all announcers did what Steiner does, it would be different. But all announcers don't do what Steiner does.
2006-05-11 14:53:21
298.   Jon Weisman
35 pitches for Lidge...
2006-05-11 14:53:40
299.   Marty
Wow, isn't Lidge their "closer"?
2006-05-11 14:53:50
300.   JoeyP
Lidge has thrown 35 pitches. He might be done. I guess Lofton will tell us if he's done.
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2006-05-11 14:53:50
301.   ninjavshippo
wow, lidge gets the hook. how far the mighty have fallen.
2006-05-11 14:53:57
302.   King of the Hobos
295 That's quite a reaction to what I assume is Furcal's walk.
2006-05-11 14:54:11
303.   Marty
298 That probably explains it.
2006-05-11 14:54:42
2006-05-11 14:55:01
305.   Midwest Blue
Isn't this the 3rd time in a row that Lidge has blown up pitching to LA? I think Lidge really has a complex about facing the Dodgers.
2006-05-11 14:55:16
306.   natepurcell
i just read gammons article regarding Hochevar. Its good to know that Logan White was in attendance during his outing on monday.
2006-05-11 14:55:44
307.   ninjavshippo
is it possible that lidge never recovers from that pujols bomb?

or maybe he's just off to a slow start...

2006-05-11 14:56:44
Damn!! atleast it was fun! Lofton shoulda waited!!
2006-05-11 14:56:52
309.   Gen3Blue
Too bad. At least Bonds just flied out.
Over and out.
2006-05-11 14:56:56
310.   Midwest Blue
Well, that was fun while it lasted.
2006-05-11 14:57:00
Damn!! atleast it was fun! Lofton shoulda waited!!
2006-05-11 14:57:20
312.   JoeyP
Well so much for that. Gotta give some credit to Garner for pulling his "closer" in a save situation. Most regular managers would have let their guy just totally blow the game before taking him out.
2006-05-11 14:58:15
313.   Jon Weisman
Lidge did not win the Showcase Showdwon, but Gameday has given him a lovely (H, 1) as a parting gift.
2006-05-11 14:58:33
If Martin woulda stayed in in would have been even MORE interesting
2006-05-11 14:58:34
315.   ninjavshippo
silver lining: clutch AB by aybar in a big situation. please let him play!
2006-05-11 14:59:00
316.   Marty
Yes, that was a heckuva Hold.
2006-05-11 15:01:44
317.   King of the Hobos
315 Where would he play? Kent is heating up, and Mueller is a veteran. If Mueller and Kent get a day off, then Aybar could start, but otherwise, he'll just PH
2006-05-11 15:04:30
318.   natepurcell
id play aybar at 3b. mueller doesnt look healthy (he probably is and just is old though).
2006-05-11 15:04:33
319.   JoeyP
It'll be interesting to see how long Little sticks with Bill Mueller.
Dodgers-Giants battle for last place this weekend.
2006-05-11 15:06:09
320.   Sam DC
Not a big deal, but I think "blows" and "damns" should fall within the no-profanity rule, at least as an everyday matter. If Barry Bonds hits a grand slam that knocks us out of the playoffs, you know, that'd probably be different.
2006-05-11 15:06:15
321.   Jeff Iannucci
Counting today, Mueller is 1-20 with 2 walks in May. His OPS is approximately around his age. I'm fairly certain Aybar can improve on that.
2006-05-11 15:09:47
322.   regfairfield
321 And two weeks ago he was the best hitter on the team. Really, it looks bad now, but its just two weeks.
2006-05-11 15:10:11
323.   Langhorne
The power of plate discipline. If Ethier had just kept the bat on his shoulder the game would be tied with two on and two out for Nomar.

I really, really don't like pinch hitting for Martin with one out. You've got to give him the chance to do something there.

2006-05-11 15:11:44
324.   Jon Weisman
320 - If that happens, Operation Lockdown commences.

Even though those words aren't as bad, I tend to agree. It just makes the line clearer.

2006-05-11 15:14:50
325.   Langhorne
I'd rather have Saenz playing third than Aybar. Or perhaps a platoon.
2006-05-11 15:15:11
326.   JoeyP
323. I just think it was more of a slap in the face to Russell Martin. Its one thing to pinch hit for him with perhaps a much better situation (Saenz vs LHP for instance)...

But what advantage did Ethier have against Lidge that Martin doesnt?

For all the good Martin has done, he's got to feel pretty miffed that Little didnt trust him with the game on the line. I would be.

2006-05-11 15:18:10
327.   sanchez101
Im not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but is running an article about Jim Tracy, who is apparently feeling the pressure in Pittsburgh. Does this sound familiar?

"Pittsburgh Pirates manager Jim Tracy, appearing to grow testy with ongoing criticism of his personnel moves, will keep playing slumping outfielder Jeromy Burnitz and argues his ability to make moves is being adversely affected by injuries."

Are the Pittsburgh papers still talking about "tracyball" or is that honeymoon over?

2006-05-11 15:18:26
328.   Bob Timmermann

During Operation Lockdown, all the Toaster sites go down, but one person will be able to get in to see a map to where all the blogs are located.

2006-05-11 15:21:48
329.   sanchez101
326. I think Little was thinking that Lidge was having issues with lefthanded hitters and given that Lidge is righthanded anyway, I think its perfectly defensable. Thats why Aybar pinch hit rather than Saenz. I dont see it as a "slap in the face" to Martin in any way. The ninth inning went about as good as you can ask for, it was just a matter of too little to late, no pun intended.
2006-05-11 15:22:16

note to self, don't use ___ :o)

2006-05-11 15:25:34
Tomorrow is another day a big day at that SF GIANTS!I hope we don't give up that elusive 714 to Barry. imagine YIKES!
2006-05-11 15:25:57
332.   King of the Hobos
Tracy is growing "testy" after criticsms have inceased lately. I'm not sure what he expected after batting Jason Bay 6th, behind Burnitz (although the baseball gods did their best to help out Bay, raining out the game).

2006-05-11 15:26:14
333.   Jon Weisman
326 - I don't think a player with six games experience has a face capable of being slapped.

I again was stunned by the move - but without looking at Lidge's numbers, I'm assuming a lefty-righty thing. Of course, Pujols and Garciaparra are righties ...

2006-05-11 15:27:03
334.   Bob Timmermann
Rained out already in Baltimore too.

The Brewers have gone from 8-0 to 8-5 in the ninth.

2006-05-11 15:27:24
335.   King of the Hobos
332 was only 7+ minutes late! But at least I added the link, so I can say I was helpful
2006-05-11 15:29:56
336.   JoeyP
Thats why Aybar pinch hit rather than Saenz

It was actually because Saenz had already been used.

2006-05-11 15:30:16
337.   Vishal
[320] i think we should still be allowed to say "jackass", though. if matlock can say it, we should be be able to. besides, it's a term that needs to be revived amongst the younger generation.
2006-05-11 15:31:19
338.   King of the Hobos
334 They scored 4 of those runs in the 8th. I'm not sure you meant they scored all 5 in the 9th, but that's how I read it, so sorry if I'm incorrect
2006-05-11 15:35:11
339.   King of the Hobos
337 I'm sure you're allowed to say that, as long as it is aimed at Brighty and not at Furry, or a fellow poster
2006-05-11 15:38:56
340.   Jon Weisman
337 - That falls in the same category that Sam mentioned. I'm not going to call out anyone who does it, but it's hard for me to imagine a context given the civility rules here in which it's appropriate.

New posts up top.

2006-05-11 15:42:08
341.   Underbruin
258 - A bit late (but oh well), I was at that game and clearly remember laughing as I watched him rumble to third - it was late in the game, I think the bottom of the 9th in a tied game.

Then the Dodgers failed to score him (reminiscent of today). And it wasn't so funny any more - especially not after they lost. :(

2006-05-11 15:43:47
342.   Underbruin
340 - "Jim Tra..." no, wait, that probably would be breaking the rules. =P
2006-05-11 15:46:33
343.   fanerman
Lowe had 0 strikeouts. Ah well.
2006-05-11 15:52:46
344.   Vishal
[340] the question was more of principle than practice, to be sure.

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