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Kevin: Ooo. . .
Dave: What's that I see--
Kevin: Ahh. . .
Dave: --On the horizon?
Kevin: Ooo. . .
Dave: I see an eagle, and--
Kevin: Ahh. . .
Dave: I see some bison. These things are America to me. . .
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Witness Rafael Furcal.
Slipshod defense on a near-daily basis, forcing the pitching staff to work harder and harder.
He's on pace to make about 39 errors, which doesn't fully tell how many extra pitches he's forced Dodgers pitchers to throw, or the extra strain he's putting on his own arm with awful fundamentals
His footwork is painful to watch. Really it's a shame.
I hear nothing impresses a highly paid pro athlete than to see a nerdy guy give a slide show about ungulates.
If Ned could only have foreseen the future:
1B -- Nomar
2B -- Kent
SS -- Martinez until Izturis
3B -- Guzman, Saenz
LF -- Kemp, Cruz
CF -- Lofton, Kemp
RF -- Drew, Repko
C -- Martin
He could have saved himself millions of dollars not signing Furcal and Mueller, and could have used Navarro as trade bait.
I'm certainly happy, but I wouldn't make him the everyday centerfielder yet.
The Furcal signing came out of the blue, a day or so after the purported negotiations for Giles, it was a signing that truly set the tone for the off-season.
The Dodgers had no viable SS in the system that was ready nor did they have anyone to lead off, that one signing took care of that but also led to Mueller, Nomar and Lofton signing too.
It also gave Ned some honeymoon time because he was now the face of the organization. After signing Furcal, all of sudden the Dodgers were mentioned as a player for every free agent.
Now was the price he paid for Furcal too high, sure but so was the price Stoneman paid for Orlando Cabera and he had a couple of guys closer to MLB than Ned did.
There was no way short of an injury that Dodgers were going have Saenz, Martinez or Robles as an everyday player.
So how was the game? How were the seats?
4 1/3 IP, 11 hits, 8 runs.
It may seem insignificant, but it'll say a great deal about the state/direction of the franchise.
Some observations, no brawls like last night in that area.
Penny had a nice rhythm but worked really hard, he did not have any real trouble but just threw too many pitches.
I think we are seeing our first legitimate batting champion prospect in Nomar since Eddie Murray.
Very small sample size and I would not say he is overmatched because he had a nice at bat when he got the base hit to drive in his first RBI but when Kent comes back, Joel will be the first one sent back down.
However, I like how all the guys have shown good patience as a group, Matt Kemp, who looked like a rusty gate during his first game, is making throwing him a fastball a dangerous proposition.
If there was someway to trade some combination of Izturis, Mueller, Ledee, Cruz, Baez, and/or Lofton for a middle rotation starter, Ned would be my hero.
Put it this way. If Aybar/Navarro are sent down to Vegas while Izturis/Martinez/Alomar all stay in LA, it'll say alot about the organization. Basically they'll be saying veteran leadership is more important than talent/production. Unfortunately, that decision will hurt the team in the standings.
No need to melt down just yet. There's still hope they'll make the right decisions or someone will be DL'ed, traded.
So in the battle of the prospects, the D-Backs have an not applicable, the Angels have gotten their biggest boost by two guys who have been in their system for a little less than a year while there other prospects have not really had an opportunity to play and the Dodgers have seen some early success by their kiddie corp.
I agree with that, none of those guys we need, and the only thing we need is 2 starting pitchers (1 being billingsley) to go along with penny and lowe.
I agree with that.
This JoeyP guy is a good poster.
If Ned/Grittle cared that much about veteran leadership Martin and Navarro wouldnt have started, Alomar wouldve, and Robles wouldve been called up instead of Guzman.
If Navarro is swinging a bat then the next step is a rehab assignment, Grady has made it pretty plain that Martin is not going anywhere, I just don't see them keeping 2 young catchers, Sandy has not trade value at all, Navarro may have to go to AAA just to play because he is just too young to sit and play every 5th or 6th game.
The interesting thing will be if Izzy shows that he is ready before Kent is eligible, the maximum amount of time he can stay in Vegas is 20 days so something has to be done within a few weeks.
If Martinez is still hobbled then maybe something will happen to him but it sounds like that is not being considered right now.
Enrique Gonzalez (who threw 2 gems against the Reds/Braves), was optioned back to AAA after his game today in order to activate LHP Terry Mulholland...
The Dbax deserve some bad karma with moves like that.
I also really don't want to see Aybar sent down when Meuler comes back. Maybe they can deal Buell instead.
Let's hope you're right. Atlanta has rallied--it's now 10-7 Snakes, bottom of the 7th, 1 out, 1 man on 2nd, Mulholland coming in for relief.
WWSH
Aren't Furcal's career stats on fielding at least as good as Izturis' too? I don't think we should judge him by just the limited action he's seen this season, which has included injuries.
WWSH
And Giles homers off Mulholland. Atlanta now within one run, after having scored 7 runs in the 7th (still only one out) and 2 runs in the 6th.
Arghhh.... I'm so irritated now MLB Extra Innings isn't carrying this game.
WWSH
Two-three starts a week at 2B, one start a week at SS and bench work would be good use of Izzy, and it's plenty of action for a guy coming off TJ surgery.
The Dodgers are beyond loaded. They're overbooked.
I haven't lost all hope with Furcal, but he came here advertised as an elite defensive shortstop, and he isn't close to that.
To recap an old DT discussion, I don't think Izturis is a .300 OBP hitter when healthy. He hit solidly in 2004 and in the early going of 2005. Then he got hurt, but per the emerging Dodger tradition, the injury was not diagnosed for, what, six weeks? During which time his average plunged. A healthy Izturis doesn't equal Furcal at bat, but the increment is not enormous.
Furcal probably keeps his job, but that will eventually force the Dodgers to trade Izturis at the low end of his market value.
Entering the eighth...
WWSH
I can't criticize Cox for leaving him in too long in that circumstance.
What happens when all the guys on the DL come back?, the prospects get sent down?
Kent, ledee, izturis, mueller, repko, navarro.
Then what happens when or if billingsley gets called up?
I mean you can say its great to have depth, but you can also say its not if it blocks prospects.
I'm just sold on a lineup of drew, kent, nomar, furcal, martin, kemp, ethier, aybar.
I'm also sold on a bullpen of gagne, broxton, saito, kuo, (i'm not sold on beimel, seo, or baez) but there is nobody left in the minors for the pen, and i'll take beimel, seo, and baez over hamulack and carter, altho i don't like baez contract.
And the starting rotation, arguably the most important thing for a team come playoff time, i'm only sold on penny and lowe (billingsley would be nice).
Sorry i posted here and brought along some friends so to speak.
Banned because of narcs.
I respect jon too much, i'm out.
As for Kent - heal him and then trade him.
Ranchero
its not just now, its his minor league slugging track record. his slugging the past 3 years:
2004- SAL=.499 (423abs) FSL=.568 (37abs)
2005- FSL=.569 (418abs)
2006- SL= .528 (199abs)
so he has a history of hitting for plus power at a very young age.
Plus neither Spencer or Mass were 21, they were players who had paid their dues in the minors and got hot. I don't expect Kemp to stay hot but what I do know is that I know who the CF will be in 2007.
352/462/533 5hr 23bb 13k
his current BA is .301 with an OBP north of .400
his power is heating up. We still have talent percolating down there!
If LaRoche looks to be ready for the show, perhaps we should trade Aybar when his value is highest? He does seem to be playing over his head right now, and when Mueller comes back, we'll have another option if LaRoche can't meet expectations. I still concerns about Aybar's power in the long term.
WWSH
why not just move aybar to 2b? Dewitt is far from a sure thing and at 2b, aybar's power would be more then adaquate.
Is Aybar's defense okay at 2B. I thought we moved him to 3B because of a perception he was subpar at 2B?
And we've still got Kent on the books for another season.
WWSH
I don't know if any player has had a streak of longer than 2 straight games to start a career with home runs.
Keith McDonald of St. Louis had home runs in his first two ABs and they were in different games.
I also forgot about Little's scheme of putting Aybar in the OF, which might work for this year at least, if Ethier and Repko prove to be flashes in the pan, or if Drew goes down again. I think Kemp's legit, though, due to his minor league numbers.
WWSH
We don't need anything, as badly as many,many teams. Can anyone think of something we really need?
We need some help in the rotation. Really, I'm in no rush to trade anyone, and I like Aybar's bat very much, but we will have a roster logjam with Mueller and Izzy coming back. If Mueller and LaRoche both look to be good options at 3B, then why not put Aybar in a package for a good starter--he should have tremendous value, the way he's hitting, and the fact he's making the minimum.
WWSH
Starting pitching.
22555 isnt going to cut it.
Hopefully OP pitches like he's shown in the past.
"Definitely," Lieberthal said, when asked if he would consider signing with the Dodgers. "You can play and live at home, and you can see your family a lot more."
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Izturis has the label of "All-Star, Gold Glove"..He's probalby easier to deal. He's not going to supplant Furcal at SS, with what they are paying Furcal. He wont play 2nd with Kent already there and Aybar tearing things up. He cant play 3rd or OF. Izturis has very little use to the 2006 Dodgers unless he's replacing Lucille.
In the near term, we should have Kent coming back, and then Izturis and Navarro. In the longer term, Repko, Mueller, and Ledee.
For Kent, I think we should send Guzman back down. He's doing okay, but we don't really need him right now, and I think it'd be better for his development. To make room for Izturis, unless Kuo is lights out, I suppose he would be the most obvious person to send back down and go to 11 pitchers. Or Beimel when he falls back to earth. I'd love to DFA Baez, but I don't think that will happen.
Navarro should definitely take Almoar's place on the merits, but Ned will think that we're paying him 600k for veteran leadership, and I think Navarro could get more seasoning in AAA.
I think we might as well release Ledee now, but Repko and Mueller are more tricky. There's a decent chance one of our OFs will go down by the time Repko's ready, and we might have space for Mueller the same way with Kent old and Nomah injury-prone. We could also get rid of Martinez, with Izzy backing up Furcal at SS. I also think Repko at this point is worth more than Cruz, although the jury really is still out on that.
Anyhow, it should be interesting to see how things turn out. For a starter, I do think we should be willing to move some of our "surplus" pieces, but I don't mind hoarding them in case of injury.
WWSH
I'd love to deal Izzy, perhaps to the BoSox, where he can re-join Cora, but coming off an elbow injury, I don't know if any trade partner is going to be satisfied with seeing only the limited playing time we should be giving him when he comes back. Really, I think Izzy should hardly play at all, with our other options on the roster.
WWSH
Why we would want to do that is beyond me, though.
WWSH
Optioning Enrique Gonzales to make room for Terry Mulholland...
And Russ Ortiz is coming back.
Maybe the washed up vets will derail the Dbax.
What if Las Vegas refuses to exercise that option...?
Who has been the Dodgers' best offseason acquisition?
Danys Baez
Andre Ethier
Rafael Furcal
Nomar Garciaparra
Kenny Lofton
Brett Tomko
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
I kid.
A trade should be executed only if it includes solely VIPPs (veteran injury-plagued plugs, trademark?) or a comibnation of VIPPs and no more than one rookie/prospect. The primary goal is to acquire an above-average starting pitcher (difficult) and/or relieve salary (more options). Be creative as there are many options available. Those who currently classify as VIPPs include Perez, Tomko, Baez, Carter, Kent, Mueller, Lofton, Cruz Jr., Ledee, Martinez, Alomar Jr., and Izturis. Wow, thats a long list of possible additions by subtractions.
Those are Neddy's instructions until the trading deadline.
You won't get a good starter for just VIPPs, though, with the exception of Kent, and I have no desire to trade him.
When DePo got Penny and Choi, it took an All Star Heart-and-Soul catcher and what was supposed to be the best setup-man in the NL. We're not going to get a starter any better than Bills for stop-gap veterans only signed through this year.
WWSH
80- I totally agree about it being difficult to find a good starter on the trade market and thats why I included the possiblity of including one rookie/legit prospect. But, to emphasize, no more than one and bring back someone at least as good as Penny/Lowe.
I disagree about Bills though. I know hes very good but I dont think we should relate the other prospects' early success to him. Bringing up a starting picher is a whole different beast. There is a significant possiblity that his growing pains will most likely render him less than average this year.
On the other hand, if he comes up and does well quickly, he could have one of those honeymoon periods where he is dominant (a la Fernando, Nomo).
I read your thing,
But you cannot sing.
So next time,
Just do a Rhyme.
Oh, I dunno if that's true. There's a little team over Bronx way that has experienced a couple of devastating injuries to outfielders, with no credible successors in AAA. If you were George Steinbrenner, would you rather play Bubba Crosby or Kenny Lofton? And while they don't need Izzy or Furcal, the Yanks are addicted to the 3-way deal.
Who blew a save every other day
He suckered Colletti
The D-Rays got Tiffany
We'd be better off with Yanni.
Unless we're pronouncing Yanni, Yah-NAY, these days, your limerick does not meet the minimum basic rhyming requirements.
I'm glad to see that I finally missed a troll outburst. I was starting to worry about what I'm doing with my life, having watched the last few in real time.
Unless I'm wrong. Which is always possible.
Who blew a save every other day
He suckered Colletti
The D-Rays got Tiffany
While Baez expands his ERA
or
There once was a man from Tampa Bay
Who blew a save every other day
He suckered Colletti
The D-Rays got Tiffany
And all we got was two DFAs
The White Sox are more likely to trade prospects than one of their veteran starters to get the right-handed setup man they need. Rival scouts continue to be impressed by the team's overall approach as it defends its World Series title.
hey kenny, dodgers have a right handed reliever who saved 41 games last year and he is only 28 years old. you are practically getting a second closer! we just want that middle reliever with the 5+era. you know, the young one that wants to be in your rotation but there isnt any room. he seems like a nuisance.
Tiffany is going to have go on the D-Rays 40 man roster at the end of this year and Jackson will be out of options and they will have to make a decision on him by next spring.
So in the end of all this, will any of the players involved still be with their teams next year, we will wait and see but while I understand the concern about the philosophy not all of the players in the Dodger system are going to end up in Dodger Blue.
Was Atlanta right in trading Marte in a deal for Renteria or how about Boston for including Henley Ramirez for Beckett and Lowell and then turning Marte over to Cleveland in the deal for Crisp.
Everyone will be able to make their analysis after the season but for now, let's hope that those kids can find their way and especially that Tiffany recovers from whatever he is ailing from.
The Dodgers traded prospects for middle relievers. Thats the prob.
(self-indulgent moment). At breakfast, my 5 year old asked if the Nationals won -- told hem they won on a come-from-behind homer. Then he asked if the Dodgers won -- told him they did and they win with a bunch of young rookie playing great. Then he thought for a minute and said "Do you think they called to congratulate each other?"
Has Bob started lobbying for Zimmerman to add another "n" to his name yet do think?
After how miserably Lofton got along with Torre when he was with the Yanks in 2004, I doubt anyone in the organization wants him back.
LOL!!
Zimmerman should change his first name to Bob and then he will become truly famous.
100 But Western Union just closed up shop!
Even though "your limerick does not meet the minimum basic rhyming requirements" it was funny.
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