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Dodgers' Top Pick: Kershaw
2006-06-06 10:10
by Jon Weisman Draft Tracker video coverage

Baseball America Draft Day Blog

First pick: 10 a.m. Baseball America says that according to multiple sources, the Kansas City Royals will take former Dodger draftee Luke Hochevar with the first pick.

10:05 a.m.: And so it is predicted, and so it is done.

10:15 a.m.: The Dodgers take left-handed high school pitcher Clayton Kershaw with the seventh overall pick. The 6-foot-3, 220-pound Kershaw is the first prep player picked this year.

"Considered to be the top high school arm in the draft," said, "Kershaw's fastball sits in the mid-90s to go along with a big curve and workable changeup. An oblique injury hasn't scared teams off."

Not scared by an injury risk? Yeah, that sounds like the Dodgers.

I asked Nate Purcell, who studies the draft like it's every final exam he will ever take at the University of Arizona rolled into one, what he thought of Kershaw. Purcell is very high on the pick.

"He is athletic and a competitor," Purcell said. "He throws a heavy, heavy fastball with great late movement - ranges from 90-98 - and a plus curveball, and will only get better as he matures. He shows a feel for his change-up that has a chance to be a good pitch as well. All in all, this is the best (the Dodgers) could have done, and Logan White made Dodger fans proud again. He could even take the (Chad) Billingsley route and be up in LA in three years."

10:30 a.m.: The Dodgers take junior college right-handed pitcher Bryan Morris, 6-3, 175, with the 26th overall pick.

"The Rays' third-round pick from last year, he played two ways in JC and actually broke a bone in his wrist sliding head-first," said. "His best offering is a plus, plus curve, though he also has a fastball that can hit the mid-90s."

Said Purcell: "In last year's draft, Bryan Morris was the player I really wanted at 40 until Hochevar fell. The Devil Rays goofed up with Morris and should have gotten him signed. He profiles as a true power pitcher and being from Tennessee, he reminds me a lot of Matt Cain of the Giants. His fastball is plus from 90-97 and his curveball is a true hammer, a 12-6 off the table breaking ball that Baseball America rates as the second-best breaking ball in the college class. I think Morris could be fast-tracked. Starting out next year at Vero Beach and being in Jacksonville by next summer. He certainly has the stuff to do that."

Update: At Baseball Analysts, Rich Lederer writes:

Morris may not be as well known as many college pitchers because he played for a community college in Tennessee. However, he earned Freshman of the Year and Pitcher of the Year honors while fashioning a 10-1 record with a 0.82 ERA, which included a no-hitter vs. Southwest Tennessee and a four-hit, complete-game shutout with 14 strikeouts vs. Hiwasee in the playoffs.

Morris is my type of pitcher. The 6-3, 175-pound RHP has a plus fastball and a power curve. Moreover, the freshman recorded 122 Ks in 88 IP (12.48 K/9) and induced nine groundouts (and only two flyouts) in that Hiwasee shutout last month. He was drafted in the third round by the Devil Rays out of high school last June. The two sides supposedly agreed on a $1.3 million bonus that greatly exceeded the slot money, but the deal was never consummated due to an inability on the part of ownership to pull the trigger. Morris chose to attend Motlow State and join his dad, who is the assistant coach, for one year.

Without seeing him pitch before, I'm still going to give Logan White a big thumbs up on this draft pick.

10:55 a.m.: Leading off the sandwich round with the 31st overall pick, the Dodgers surprise with high school shortstop Preston Mattingly, a son of former Yankee great Don Mattingly.

Preston is 6-3, 205. Speculation at was that given the reported low quality of talent in this year's draft, the Dodgers have taken a chance on genetics.

Dodger Thoughts reader Underdog supplied this story from the New York Daily News:

In photographs, 18-year-old Preston Mattingly looks like a teen Donnie Baseball. However, on the field he might be more athletic than his father. Preston was clocked at 6.5 seconds in the 60-yard dash, according to his coach at Evansville Central High, Jason Engelbrecht. One talent evaluator estimated that there are only about 20 players in the majors who would be clocked that fast every time.

"He can run, that's for sure," said Mike Radcliff, the Twins' scouting director who has scouted Preston Mattingly. "He's very athletic, has a real nice frame (6-3, 195 pounds) and you can project him to be strong."

Every team but the A's has scouted Preston, and the Yankees are one of the most active clubs - scouting director Damon Oppenheimer watched Preston two weeks ago.

Preston is "a throwback in this era of specialization for high school kids," Engelbrecht said, because he played three sports. Preston spent the last two summers playing AAU basketball instead of baseball - he does live in Indiana, after all - and even his dad says he's raw.

Still, he hit .478 with 23 extra-base hits and 21 stolen bases in 30 games this season. In addition to his abilities, he wowed scouts with his demeanor.

Ah, character and bloodlines, character and bloodlines. And raw, raw talent.

"He's a three-sport athlete with a gifted bat, plate discipline and more speed than his dad had," Jim Callis of Baseball America wrote. "But though he has good tools, his future position is much in question. No word yet on whether Yankees owner George Steinbrenner has fired any scouting personnel for letting Mattingly get away, but Dodgers official Tommy Lasorda did tweak him after announcing the pick by saying, 'Thank you, George.' "

11:40 a.m.: At Inside the Dodgers, Logan White compared Kershaw to Dave Righetti and Morris to John Smoltz. Given that, you would almost think they should have been drafted in a different order.

The Dodgers' next pick is in the fourth round, 113th overall. So that concludes this morning's coverage!

Comments (461)
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2006-06-06 07:45:45
1.   Inside Baseball
Is anyone who posts about the draft somewhere else a Draft Dodger?
2006-06-06 08:00:17
2.   jtshoe
Jon, You found a way to send beer over the internet?
2006-06-06 08:15:34
3.   Marty
If you lived here, you'd be drafted by now.
2006-06-06 08:28:13
4.   Sam DC
So, I just read at column at (Jonathan Mayo) that has the Royals drafting Skywalker and the Dodgers drafting one Drabek who has alleged "makeup issues." Assuming that does not refer to how he'd look on the day when they dress the rookies up like cheerleaders and hooters girls, what does it mean? And what would it say for the new "Character Counts" Dodgers. (Recognizing of course that it has not at all happened.)
2006-06-06 08:32:45
5.   Sam DC
Hey Bob -- here's a follow up to that brain typing article you linked. (courtesy of Capitol Punsishment)
2006-06-06 08:33:50
6.   natepurcell
drabeks make up concerns are teenage drinking and partying stuff. he is also pretty high strung and kind of snobby due to his up bringing of having a mlb father.
2006-06-06 08:41:25
7.   natepurcell
If it is Drabek, the dodgers are getting a top 3 ON THE FIELD talent in the draft. his fb ranges from 90-97 and sits 94 with probably the best or 2nd best breaking ball in the draft.

steve will love this though. at 31 callis has the dodgers taking Tenn closer Sean Watson. LOL, Steve's dream!

2006-06-06 09:01:44
8.   Steve
We don't give lifetime contracts to people who draft pitchers that can't even make it as college starters.

The MLB Video feed of the draft is free, right?

2006-06-06 09:04:30
9.   natepurcell

yes I think so. I think its on XM radio as well.

2006-06-06 09:05:57
10.   natepurcell
callis at his liveblog just said dodgers are zeroing on bryan morris at 7. wow this is getting crazy.
2006-06-06 09:13:50
11.   Greg Brock
So, Drabek has character issues because he drinks beer in high school with his buddies. Sorry, but I think he'd have character issues if he didn't. Let he who has never partied cast the first pony keg.
2006-06-06 09:14:36
12.   D4P
Regarding Drabek or any other player with "make up concerns": it seems pretty clear that the current Dodger administration places a premium on "character," and that they won't be acquiring players who don't live up to certain character standards.
2006-06-06 09:15:25
13.   deburns
I can't find the mlbtv feed on the draft. Can anybody help?
2006-06-06 09:15:56
14.   Nuke
Sean Watson? Ugh...
2006-06-06 09:17:03
15.   underdog
Hm, does Mayo really think the Dodgers would pass up Andrew Miller if he fell to them and Kershaw wasn't there either? Maybe they really are looking high schooler all the way I guess if that's the case. But... wow. Well, I really think the Dodgers are going to get a very good pitcher no matter which way they lean.
2006-06-06 09:19:26
16.   natepurcell
BA rates morris' curveball as the 2nd best breaking ball in the college class only behind lincecum's uncle charlie.
2006-06-06 09:22:36
17.   Jon Weisman
13 -
2006-06-06 09:24:46
18.   kegtron
Is there a list somewhere that has all the players that Boras is representing in this years draft?
2006-06-06 09:26:27
19.   Sam DC
Hey -- smart young people who know gadgets. My mom wants to give me an XM player for Father's Day. What do I want to get? I would like something that I can use in my car (either over FM like an ipod or even hard-installed) and also carry around. For the carry around, can you play through a home stereo, or is it earpiece only?

Don't need a big MP3 memory or any other features; just want to be able to listen to games and hopefully some more interesting music than the same old Classic Rock I always land on.

2006-06-06 09:28:33
20.   Jon Weisman
18 - I think Homeland Security prevents such a list being circulated.
2006-06-06 09:30:03
21.   Nuke
Sean Watson: 4.61, 41 IP, 17 BB, 47 SO
2006-06-06 09:32:08
22.   natepurcell
white has never drafted a college closer in his first 5 rounds. why would he start now? Unless of course, Colletti is insisting...
2006-06-06 09:32:22
23.   Humma Kavula
19 I have the Pioneer Airware. It comes with a home it and car kit and it has a mini-antenna installed so it can work like a portable radio -- that antenna can be weak and doesn't work well, but there are accessories you can get to boost it.

The home kit comes with a big uni-diretional antenna; you hook the radio up to your stereo. The car kit comes with a little multi-directional antenna and you play it through your car's radio or cassette player.

Hope this helps.

2006-06-06 09:33:42
24.   Humma Kavula
That first line should say "it comes with a home kit"...
2006-06-06 09:36:57
25.   Sam DC
Thanks Humma -- can't do a cassete link to my car because cassette player is broke.

Does linking over FM work reliably, or is it better to get the XM installed (assuming there's a removable unit or something)?

2006-06-06 09:38:03
26.   Steve
I'm sure he has tremendous stuff. So tremendous that we can't unloose it on the world for more than three outs at a time, lest the world believe itself unworthy of the presence of such remarkable ability, and the rest of the league simply give up out of sheer terror.
2006-06-06 09:38:28
27.   Nuke
22 Why draft such an unspectacular closer? Blair Erickson and Vinnie Pestano will be available much later.
2006-06-06 09:38:42
28.   Nuke
22 Why draft such an unspectacular closer? Blair Erickson and Vinnie Pestano will be available much later.
2006-06-06 09:42:08
29.   Humma Kavula
I've never tried the FM transmitter in my car -- I use the cassette player.

I have an odd set-up at home -- long story short is that I often use the XM's FM transmitter inside my house. It works REALLY WELL so long as I don't move the XM too far from the FM radio I'm listening to.

2006-06-06 09:42:44
30.   bonnie
Sam, I'm not a smart young gadget freak, but in my experience the cheap, Roady II is the best. $50 normally but occasionally on sale for $25. The real cost is in all the accesories. I have an extra car kit for my boat, a home kit for my stereo, a walkman-type adaptor, and a boom box.

All the pluging and unpluging is a minor hassle, and a few too many long wires, but it is well worth it. I can get the Dodger games where ever I am. Even in a cove on the river. Of course my river-going-mates aren't too thrilled when the game is on, but I figure they get to enjoy all the music the rest of the time, so I can be selfish.

2006-06-06 09:43:11
31.   FirstMohican
How have drafted relief pitchers done in the past? Not so hot I'm guessing?
2006-06-06 09:46:43
32.   Nuke
31 Ryan Wagner, Houston Street, and Joey Devine immediately come to mind...all have reached the majors, two weren't ready.
2006-06-06 09:47:53
33.   Sam DC
Thanks bonnie.

Let's all root for Nate to win the Inside the Dodgers draft prediction contest:

7- LHP Clayton Kershaw
26- LHP Kasey Kiker
31- OF Kyler Burke

2006-06-06 09:48:28
34.   Steve
two weren't ready

You mean, all 125 innings they threw in college didn't get them ready for the pros?

2006-06-06 09:49:35
35.   natepurcell

it seems my picks will be completely wrong. oh well.

2006-06-06 09:49:36
36.   blue22
So props to Boras. He got his client the #1 pick and will get his payday. Way to be an enabler, KC.
2006-06-06 09:55:40
37.   Nuke
Early Picks May Have Done Deals
12:46 p.m.: A source familiar with the negotiations says the teams and the players that will be picks at Nos. 2-3-4 have agreed to financial parameters. The Rockies will give Stanford righthander Greg Reynolds $3.25 million; the Devil Rays will pay Long Beach State third baseman Evan Longoria $3 million; and the Pirates will dole out $2.75 million to Houston righthander Brad Lincoln.
--Jim Callis
2006-06-06 09:56:21
38.   FirstMohican
That's a pretty 'K' heavy group of guys. I think the script to find which players had the most K's is working a little differently than planned.
2006-06-06 09:56:22
39.   natepurcell
okay we might still have a shot at kershaw.

callis said 2-3-4 have all agreed to financial parameters of predraft deals

1. hochevar
2. greg reynolds (unbelievable shocker to me)
3. longoria
4. lincoln

that leaves andrew miller and brandon morrow for 5 and 6...

2006-06-06 09:57:05
40.   Steve
Take Miller, Detroit! He's awesome!
2006-06-06 09:58:22
41.   Nuke
Bad move by the Rockies if they go with Reynolds.
2006-06-06 09:59:15
42.   Voxter
If the pick of Morris over Drabek because of "makeup concerns" is symptomatic of Coletti meddling with White's draft slate, that can't possibly be a good thing. If it's not, then, uh, nevermind.
2006-06-06 10:00:25
43.   natepurcell
can miller not drop the dbacks please? they dont need anymore talent.
2006-06-06 10:02:30
44.   blue22
so miller, drabek, or morris at #7. Assuming all 3 are available, who do you go with, nate?
2006-06-06 10:02:33
45.   Jon Weisman
I actually get nervous about Stanford pitchers. It's just anecdotal, but a lot of them seemed burned out by the time Stanford coach Mark Marquess is through with them. Has anyone since Mussina done anything?
2006-06-06 10:03:09
46.   King of the Hobos
What kind of a pitcher is Reynolds? What's his stuff like?
2006-06-06 10:04:08
47.   Marty
The mlb draft emcee is very annoying to me.
2006-06-06 10:06:21
48.   natepurcell

its a tough choice, im scared to death of signability concerns with miller I do not want another Hochevar fiasco.

If Drabek's background checks out then I would pick him. But I am not in the know about his background.

2006-06-06 10:09:44
49.   Nuke
K/9 lower than 9 for Reynolds
2006-06-06 10:10:46
50.   Jon Weisman
The draft tracker is two picks ahead of the video coverage.
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2006-06-06 10:11:09
51.   blue22
48 - Callis also says Morris might be available the next time around for LA. Drabek now, Morris at 26?
2006-06-06 10:11:32
52.   bonnie
Well, the good news on Hochevar, if they start him out in double A, I can be on hand to boo him mercilessly.
2006-06-06 10:11:53
53.   blue22
48 - Callis also says Morris might be available the next time around for LA. Drabek now, Morris at 26?
2006-06-06 10:12:09
54.   natepurcell
miller!!! come on kershaw.. come on!!!
2006-06-06 10:16:37
55.   bonnie
Well, the good news on Hochevar, if they start him out in double A, I can be on hand to boo him mercilessly.
2006-06-06 10:16:53
56.   Greg Brock
Damn, Tigers take Miller one slot above Dodgers. Dodgers take Kershaw...Another high schooler we'll see in half a decade.
2006-06-06 10:20:13
57.   natepurcell
wow, kiker at 12, sucks for my mock draft.
2006-06-06 10:22:26
58.   Humma Kavula
So who are we looking at now for #26?
2006-06-06 10:23:17
59.   sanchez101
so, Kiker and Jeffress are gone, Morris is still on the board. What's with Drabek listed as a SS, does that meant that the Phillies see him as a position player or is that just a mistake?
2006-06-06 10:28:26
60.   natepurcell
oh my morris is so close!
2006-06-06 10:28:40
61.   natepurcell
oh my morris is so close!
2006-06-06 10:29:15
62.   natepurcell
oh my morris is so close!
2006-06-06 10:29:53
63.   natepurcell
oh my morris is so close!
2006-06-06 10:30:37
64.   Jon Weisman
Avery Morris for the Dodgers at 26.
2006-06-06 10:30:43
65.   808Bears
Okay so the toaster kicked out my comment from back when it was relavant, but here goes again anyway.
I was at the pitchers' duel at Sunken Diamond between Reynolds and Morrow, and Morrow was far more impressive, stuff-wise. Reynolds is a winner, but the buzz was that he doesn't "miss bats" and I would have to agree. But go with the proven commodity, I guess. But wow, if that's worth 3.5M, then maybe 2.98 was too low for Hochevar... Not that I'm saying the Dodgers should have caved...

45 I guess the Rockies didn't learn from the Expos and my old teammate Justin Wayne in 2000...

2006-06-06 10:30:46
66.   sanchez101
we got morris, this is draft seems to be going well for us so far ...
2006-06-06 10:31:10
67.   blue22
Morris at 26...looking good so far!
2006-06-06 10:37:55
68.   sanchez101
65. I dont get the Rockies taking Reynolds. They had a chance, and were looking at the best pitcher and best position player in the draft for months, and then at the last second pick a guy that shouldve been taken in the bottom half of the first round.
2006-06-06 10:41:24
69.   Bob Timmermann
Mmm.... sandwich picks ... mmmm.....


2006-06-06 10:42:02
70.   blue22
Is there a bathroom break between 30 and 31?
2006-06-06 10:43:06
71.   Nolan
Take Lincecum!!!

To me, he's a cross btw. Hideo Nomo and Daryl Kile...

2006-06-06 10:43:32
72.   Uncle Miltie
Is the site working now?
2006-06-06 10:43:45
73.   blue22
71 - He went to the Giants at 10.
2006-06-06 10:43:46
74.   underdog
I'm pretty happy with Kershaw {{ahem, my prediction, clears throat}} and Morris so far. I don't understand a few of the other teams' picks but ours is not to reason why. I think the Tigers lucked out with Miller. As for the Royals, good luck with Hochevar/hopehegoesfar.

Who do we like at #31?

2006-06-06 10:44:13
75.   Nolan
Whoops, missed that...
2006-06-06 10:44:56
76.   Jon Weisman
65 - Where was Wayne your teammate?
2006-06-06 10:45:42
77.   Steve
Yay, Kershaw! Yay, Morris! Yay, Hochevar has to play for Kansas City!
2006-06-06 10:45:42
78.   FirstMohican
69 I totally pictured Homer
2006-06-06 10:46:20
79.   natepurcell
brett anderson is still available..
2006-06-06 10:46:59
80.   King of the Hobos
Only two Inside the Dodgers picks remain. If the Dodgers do not chose David Huff or Matt Latos, they will have one heck of a tie.
2006-06-06 10:47:31
81.   underdog
KErshaw is being interviewed on MLB radio right now...

He idolizes/patterns himself after Johan Santana. Sounds like a cool kid.

2006-06-06 10:47:51
82.   808Bears
76 High school. I'm a Bear, not a Tree, but I didn't play in college.
2006-06-06 10:48:20
83.   Uncle Miltie
Ok it's working now.

I love the Kershaw pick! He was the guy I really wanted.

Morris is also a great pick.

Nate who will we take at 31? I like Lars Anderson and Kyler Burke, 2 high school outfielders.

2006-06-06 10:48:41
84.   FirstMohican
77 - At least he's not only 1M more richer than he would've been had he signed with the Dodgers and he's not going to have to worry about PT. That said, I'd still consider it a loss.
2006-06-06 10:48:53
85.   Steve
Who's that Nate?
2006-06-06 10:48:54
86.   rageon
77 I never even thought about the fact that he's got to pitch for KC now. That really does make me feel a little bit better.
2006-06-06 10:51:31
87.   Jon Weisman
Isn't this break after the first round kind of a silly length?
2006-06-06 10:51:35
88.   Uncle Miltie
85- a high school pitcher. I kind of wanted an outfielder at 31. I think Anderson was expected to go in the 1st round. I trust Logan White.
2006-06-06 10:52:00
89.   natepurcell
Brett Anderson is the most polished prep prospect in the draft. he pitches like a college pitcher and his 90-94 mph fastball is his 3rd best pitch! BA rated him as fastest to the majors out of the prep class.

the concerns is his athelticism... he supposebly doesnt have any.

2006-06-06 10:52:47
90.   natepurcell
to add, brett is also a lefty.
2006-06-06 10:53:11
91.   Steve
89 -- Let's do it.

Did you see this from Sickles? -- "No, wait, actually Kiker dropped because I found out what his "makeup" issue is. It is not steroids, and it is not public, and I can't discuss it further unless I get confirmation from other sources, but I take it a lot more seroiusly than I take the makeup stuff with Drabek."

2006-06-06 10:53:41
92.   Jon Weisman
Given the turnout here at DT vs. the turnout at the polls, I think Clayton Kershaw could have won the Democratic nomination for Governor.
2006-06-06 10:54:10
93.   underdog
87 Dreadfully silly and snoozeworthy. I guess after all the excitement of the first round they need some time to catch their collective breath? Gives the Dodgers more time to work a trade for their next pick.

Oh wait, this isn't the NFL draft. Never mind. Zzzz.

2006-06-06 10:56:27
94.   Uncle Miltie
the concerns is his athelticism... he supposebly doesnt have any.
Yet he plays baseball, silly scouts....

Nate, how about Colton Willems or Kyler Burke? I really like Burke.

2006-06-06 10:56:32
95.   natepurcell

yea i saw that. and i still dont know what to think because no one is telling what the problem is exactly. Kiker would have been nice, but kershaw and morris is an unbelievable haul.

2006-06-06 10:56:55
96.   bigcpa
Is that Mattingly's kid? Same hometown.
2006-06-06 10:56:58
97.   underdog
Preston Mattingly.

Says Tom Lasorda. (LOL.)

Son of Don. Wow.

2006-06-06 10:57:05
98.   Vishal
hrmm. mattingly?
2006-06-06 10:57:09
99.   sanchez101
Preston Mattingly? Didnt we take the shortstop son of a former major leaguer last year?
2006-06-06 10:57:25
100.   Nick Iyengar
45 Jon, Rick Helling did win 20 games once, and racked up a pretty decent careeer (almost reaching 100 wins). I think he's basically done now, but I tend to agree with you about Stanford pitchers.

Marquess does work his aces really hard. I believe Reynolds has 5 complete games in his last 6 starts, for example. Another recent Stanford ace, Jeremy Guthrie, once threw something like 150 pitches in a super regional game. He was one of the more dominant college pitchers in recent years, and he's basically been a bust, cracking the Indians' bullpen at times but failing to do much of anything.

Still, while questions of overuse seem legitimate to me, Stanford pitchers are inevitably more polished than HS pitchers, and tend to be more so than even most other college pitchers. Can't blame the Rockies, or any team, for taking a guy like Reynolds #2.

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2006-06-06 10:57:43
101.   D4P
Preston Mattingly...? Any relation to Don...?
2006-06-06 10:57:52
102.   FirstMohican
Okay, who the heck is Preston Mattingly?
2006-06-06 10:57:55
103.   natepurcell
okay i have no clue about preston mattingly. I am stunned.
2006-06-06 10:58:03
104.   underdog
We could have taken Pedro Beato, too.

Though I think the Dodgers were done with pitching for now and had some questions about him...

2006-06-06 10:58:14
105.   bigcpa
"A shocker... very surprising... for name value"- according to the MLB panel.
2006-06-06 10:58:27
106.   Uncle Miltie
We pass on Beato to take Mattingly
2006-06-06 10:58:46
107.   Steve
I guess we ran out of money.
2006-06-06 10:58:59
108.   natepurcell
It is Don's son.
2006-06-06 10:59:07
109.   D4P
The MLB announcers are shocked at the Mattingly pick. They thought he'd go in top 5 rounds, but not nearly this high. Preston is Don's son.
2006-06-06 10:59:27
110.   underdog
A piece about young Mattingly:
2006-06-06 10:59:38
111.   blue22
Nice to have a Mattingly in the system. Mattingly is just a great name for a ballplayer.
2006-06-06 10:59:40
112.   Uncle Miltie
Ned has taken over the war room. Please tell me that the Dodgers aren't cheaping out here.

Padres take Burke....great.

2006-06-06 10:59:59
113.   bigcpa
NY Daily News...
"Preston Mattingly, the son of hitting coach Don Mattingly, could be picked in the third or fourth round Tuesday - the Yankees, the Red Sox and Dodgers are the most interested clubs - and he will probably sign instead of taking a baseball scholarship to Tennessee. Scouts like Preston's athleticism - he was all-state in football as a receiver, honorable mention in basketball and could be named Indiana's "Mr. Baseball" this spring. He played shortstop in high school, but scouts say he's probably would be swtiched to a corner infield spot or the outfield if he goes pro."
2006-06-06 11:00:34
114.   natepurcell
And Padres take Burke.
2006-06-06 11:03:19
115.   natepurcell
BA scouting report for Mattingly. Seems like a true scouting pick. Definately not a Colletti pick.

For the son of a former batting champion and MVP like Don Mattingly, not to mention a multisport athlete in his own right, shortstop Preston Mattingly didn't get much exposure for most of the spring. He was a well-kept secret among a few scouts, so a lot of clubs didn't get a chance to crosscheck him. An all-state wide receiver in football and a 20-point-a-game scorer in basketball, he has plus speed and is much quicker than his father ever was. He's a 6-foot-3, 200-pound righthanded hitter with bat speed, pop and an advanced approach. The one thing Mattingly lacks is a definite position. For all his athleticism, his footwork and actions aren't smooth, and his arm is slightly below-average. He could get a look at third base or center field, but it's possible that he could wind up as nothing more than a physically gifted left fielder--in which case his bat would really have to carry him. The Yankees, for whom Don starred and currently serves as batting coach, are known to have interest in Preston and signed his brother Taylor as a 42nd-round pick in 2003. Other teams in the hunt include the Dodgers, Marlins, Orioles, Red Sox and Twins, and there may be enough competition for Mattingly to drive him into the first five rounds. He'll attend Tennessee if he doesn't turn pro.

2006-06-06 11:03:33
116.   underdog
Keep in mind something guys - the Dodgers don't have a pick again until mid 4th round. If they really really liked Mattingly he would most certainly have been gone before they picked. Why not take someone you want if you know you won't have another chance?
2006-06-06 11:03:45
117.   King of the Hobos
Well, Inside the Dodgers has one heck of a tie now. Plenty of people took Kershaw first and Morris second, but I don't think anyone took Mattingly.
2006-06-06 11:04:26
118.   Jon Weisman
110 - Thanks, Underdog. I linked that article up top, along with the comments I had Nate e-mail me.
2006-06-06 11:04:39
119.   underdog
Actually, to correct myself, early 4th round...

Still, I stand by the rest.

2006-06-06 11:06:07
120.   D4P
I suppose if the Dodgers had had a 2nd or 3rd round pick, they might have been willing to pass on Mattingly now and wait until the 2nd/3rd round. But evidently, they really wanted him, and weren't willing to risk waiting until their 4th round pick.
2006-06-06 11:06:08
121.   underdog
De nada.

Now I better do some actual work at my real job lest the day get away from me. Wake me when it's the 4th round.

2006-06-06 11:06:13
122.   blue22
107 sounds spot on.
2006-06-06 11:06:51
123.   Uncle Miltie
115- I don't agree. Ned probably picked him because he liked his dad and he likes his makeup. This also looks like a signability (i.e. money saving) pick. I don't understand why we passed on Burke.
2006-06-06 11:07:07
124.   Nolan
It can't be a good sign that MLB's draft tracker window has a scouting report up for everyone except Mattingly...
2006-06-06 11:07:20
125.   bigcpa
Maybe someone pointed this out already, but are Avery Morris and Bryan Morris the same individual?
2006-06-06 11:07:29
126.   D4P
Er, yeah, what 116 said.
2006-06-06 11:09:20
127.   Steve
Mattingly and DeJesus can anchor our Las Vegas double play combo for a long time
2006-06-06 11:09:36
128.   natepurcell

everyone thought Dejesus was a signability pick last year but he signed for slot money and is one of the better shortstops in the SAL this year.


yes they are the same.

2006-06-06 11:10:08
129.   ssjames
According to BA, he is a legit pick and there was some talk of either the Yankees or Red Sox picking him in the Supplemental picks or First Round even, because of his talent which was not well known, because he played so many sports, he didn't really focus on baseball. I have faith in Logan, and he obviously has proved himself out over time.
2006-06-06 11:11:38
130.   natepurcell
From BA about Mattingly

He's a three-sport athlete with a gifted bat, plate discipline and more speed than his dad had.

okay, as long as he can hit, i dont mind the pick. I think White went with the best hitter.

2006-06-06 11:11:46
131.   capdodger
25 - RE: FM transmitters for iPod/XM.

Sam, I find that it really depends on where you are. I have one for my iPod and works really well in most places, including DC. The only two places where I can't find a clear channel to transmit on are the southern section of the Jersey Turnpike, and anywhere within 15 miles of Manhattan.

2006-06-06 11:12:38
132.   regfairfield
Almost every site I saw indicated that Mattingly wanted to attend college, so maybe he needed first round pick money as an incentive to join the Dodgers.
2006-06-06 11:13:29
133.   Uncle Miltie
130- doesn't have a position....

What about Burke?

2006-06-06 11:13:48
134.   natepurcell
I cant believe Brett Anderson has fallen this year. Maybe he really does have tha athelticism of a 500lb bed ridden woman.
2006-06-06 11:14:45
135.   sanchez101
129. I agree, Mattingley is a suprise, but Logan White has certainly earned my trust, I doubt seriously that money has anything to do with the pick. I like the idea of getting a good athlete, who's father says things like, "tell me how many walks and strikeouts a guy has, and Ill tell you what kind of season he had." This means that two of our first round picks are parent of coach's, the elder Mattingley is NY's hitting coach and Morris' dad was the coach at his college. Thats probably a good thing.
2006-06-06 11:14:46
136.   Humma Kavula
Watson is a Red.
2006-06-06 11:15:44
137.   Nick Iyengar
134 Signability is an issue with Anderson, right?
2006-06-06 11:16:10
138.   natepurcell
doesn't have a position...

he played ss in high school, he is not going to play SS in the pros, but he has enough athleticism that BA thinks he could play CF. He is 6'3 200lbs, so he does have nice power potential.

Maybe White projects Mattingly to be better then Burke? Who knows. What I do think is that this was not a signability pick. we have more then enough money to get the players we want (sans boras clients)

2006-06-06 11:16:45
139.   Nick Iyengar
137 And there he goes.
2006-06-06 11:16:48
140.   natepurcell
Darn, Dbacks get richer.
2006-06-06 11:19:24
141.   sanchez101
did any listen to Kershaw's interview on, what did he say?
2006-06-06 11:19:33
142.   blue22
140 - And a pitcher, no less. At least he's a high-schooler and should be quite a few years before we see him.
2006-06-06 11:20:27
143.   sanchez101
the brewers just took a kid named brent brewer, awesome
2006-06-06 11:21:55
144.   Steve
The D-Backs drafted middle relievers with their first two picks.
2006-06-06 11:22:05
145.   Uncle Miltie
Brewers pick Brent Brewer. I bet they are praying that he pans out. So many ways to market around him....
2006-06-06 11:23:05
146.   blue22
Is he related to Bernie Brewer?
2006-06-06 11:23:28
147.   natepurcell

Scherzer's shoulder is going to blow out before he settles into his middle relief role in the dbacks pen.

2006-06-06 11:23:54
148.   Humma Kavula
If I were Plaschke, I would wonder if Brent Brewer was playing for the name on the front of his jersey or the name on the back of his jersey.
2006-06-06 11:26:32
149.   natepurcell
Oakland selects a high school pitcher... Olb Bear is probably preparing the noose right now.
2006-06-06 11:26:38
150.   Steve
Whenever the conversation turns to how you can figure out how a particular pitcher can pitch less, you've already lost the war. That discussion happened on both of the D-Backs picks, whoever they were.
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2006-06-06 11:27:10
151.   Uncle Miltie
High school pitcher for the A's? What???? They did pick a high school shortstop last year...
2006-06-06 11:27:57
152.   underdog
141 I listened to part of Kershaw's interview. Was pretty brief. He said his favorite pitcher was Johan Santana, a pitcher he wants to model himself after. And agreed he needed to work on his change-up a bit to get to that level. And he's excited for the opportunity.

Seemed like a good kid, but you really didn't miss much.

2006-06-06 11:28:46
153.   natepurcell
I still want my power lefty bat.
2006-06-06 11:29:04
154.   sanchez101
151. OAK picked three high profile HS pitchers last year
2006-06-06 11:31:52
155.   Uncle Miltie
153- nate who's that huge outfielder you posted a video of at a homerun derby a while ago. I think he might have been right handed though.
2006-06-06 11:33:28
156.   JoeyP
Preston Mattingly is Don Mattingly's son. This is definitely a reach, bc he wasnt even expected to go in the first 5 rounds. The kid actually was asked by Bruce Pearl to walk-on at Tennessee for the basketball team, but Mattingly decided to concentrate on baseball. He was almost assuredly going to go to UT unless he got drafted high. But I dont think he had any idea he'd be drafted this high.

If anything, he should fairly easy to sign. But I'm really surprised they used this high of pick on him.

Kershaw-- lets just hope he turns out. If he's the best available player, then you gotta take him.

I'm not sure about the other guy they drafted. I had never heard of him.

2006-06-06 11:35:19
157.   Vishal
[155] wasn't that chris parmelee?
2006-06-06 11:35:29
158.   ssjames
Nate, what do you think of Lars Andersen, could he be the power lefty bat you are looking for? He is still on the board as are Stephen King, Jordan Walden, Chad Tracy, Dellin Betances.
2006-06-06 11:35:52
159.   ssjames
Nate, what do you think of Lars Andersen, could he be the power lefty bat you are looking for? He is still on the board as are Stephen King, Jordan Walden, Chad Tracy, Dellin Betances.
2006-06-06 11:39:13
160.   Steve
Chad Tracy


Meanwhile, meet the New Cubs. Same as the Old Cubs.

2006-06-06 11:40:30
161.   natepurcell
nate who's that huge outfielder you posted a video of at a homerun derby a while ago. I think he might have been right handed though.

that was billy rowell and he was left handed. he went #9 to the Orioles. I had Kershaw ranked over him.


I like Lars Anderson, he might fall because I've heard he has put a 1 million price tag on himself. If he is there in the 4th, we could dip into the hochevar fund and buy him out of his scholarship. he has big time power.

2006-06-06 11:41:38
162.   blue22
160 - Geez, Steve. Hold a grudge much? I had you pegged to appreciate the irony of such a pick.
2006-06-06 11:41:43
163.   natepurcell
for Jon, another Mattingly article

2006-06-06 11:41:45
164.   Daniel Zappala
This is turning into the Nate show, but ... Nate what's your opiniong of the Angels' pick at #25 in the first round -- a high school, switch hitting catcher by the name of Hyun Choi Conger?
2006-06-06 11:42:14
165.   JoeyP
The Baseball draft is such a crap shoot though. If this is a good draft , then maybe 20% of the pitchers taken will make the major leagues. If its one of the poor ones, maybe 1 out of 20 will make it. Seriously, go back and look at the last 5-6 drafts and the 1st-2nd rd picks, and look at the numbers of pitchers taken vs the number that actually made it. Its staggering.

I think the Padres made the best and most least risky pick of the 1st round.

2006-06-06 11:43:19
166.   Uncle Miltie
157- not him.

I wonder if Jared Mitchell will fall to the 4th round. He is a stud athlete and also plays football. We could offer him a cool million since we don't have a 2nd or 3rd round picks.

2006-06-06 11:44:01
167.   blue22
164 - Hyun Choi Conger

Catching abilities are limited since he can't catch pitchers who throw from funny arm angles.

2006-06-06 11:44:04
168.   natepurcell

Conger's bat is really special. He is a switching hitter catcher with power from both sides of the plate. I think the question is, will he stick behind the plate? If he does, he becomes really valuable there, possibly turning into a Victor Martinez tyoe player on the offense side. And his name is Choi so thats awesome.

2006-06-06 11:46:14
169.   Jon Weisman
At Inside the Dodgers, Logan White compared Kershaw to Dave Righetti and Morris to John Smoltz. With that comparison, which would you rather have?
2006-06-06 11:47:10
170.   3upn3down
"Funny words with double or more meanings excessively used on draft day watch"

Current count:

5 - "signability"
1 - "tools"
5 - "makeup"
7 - "character"
5 - "plus"

2006-06-06 11:47:56
171.   blue22
165 - most least risky pick

If that phrase doesn't encapsulate this whole draft process...

2006-06-06 11:50:30
172.   natepurcell
darn, one of the texas lefties is off the board Zach Britton. He was someone I wanted in the 4th. He, like fellow texan Kershaw, had a scholarhship to Texas A&M.
2006-06-06 11:51:33
173.   Humma Kavula
And Chad Tracy is gone. Steve breathes easier.
2006-06-06 11:51:53
174.   blue22
Can someone explain what "draft and follow" means?
2006-06-06 11:52:31
175.   bigcpa
163 Re: Mattingly
"he's currently batting .463, with eight doubles, four triples and team highs in runs batted in (30) and runs scored (30)... 17 SB..."

Ummm.... any homers?? Even one???

2006-06-06 11:53:47
176.   JoeyP
I'm assuming it means to draft someone with no intention of signing them until they perform at a certain level.
2006-06-06 11:53:52
177.   Uncle Miltie
Sabean must really miss Ned, so he picked a different Clayton since the brains of the organization is gone.

Stephen King is gone!

2006-06-06 11:54:22
178.   Sam DC
(nervously begins to type)

Not to reopen old wounds, but this Hochevar thing is just crazy. In addition to the talent we've just drafted, we could have had the guy who turns out to be the number one pick in the whole draft? And we don't because his demands were too rich for us, but apparently not for Kansas City?

Is there a special draft day word for that?

2006-06-06 11:54:33
179.   Steve
I guess that if white thinks enough about mattingly to run a disinformation campaign around some college closer that hasn't even be drafted yet, then he's ok.
2006-06-06 11:55:28
180.   JoeyP
175. Mattingly is a scout's pick it would appear.
2006-06-06 11:55:28
181.   ToyCannon
Always wanted to root for a Mattingly. Never could while his Dad was a Yankee. Sounds like a CF or 2nd baseman to me.
2006-06-06 11:56:33
182.   bigcpa
170 "... this guy is quite a character... one of the biggest tools you'll ever see. The guy actually wears makeup, plus he's got two left feet."
2006-06-06 11:58:06
183.   JoeyP
178. Thats one way to look at it. Another more optimistic way is that this draft is so weak, that a pitcher taken 40th the year before, that sat out a whole year, could be the 1st pick taken.

I think it says more about the weakness of this year's draft, than anything else.

2006-06-06 12:02:13
184.   Daniel Zappala
For some reason the Draft Tracker shows the Dodgers at 102 when it should be the Angels. Clearly an east coast bias, as they would never mix up the Mets and Yankees.
2006-06-06 12:02:36
185.   blue22
183 - There wasn't ever any doubt he was a top-5 pick, talent-wise last year. The unknown "signability factor" obviously dropped him 35+ picks. This year, KC looking to make a splash agrees to meet his price with the first pick.

Now the question, does his price change now that he's #1 overall? I'd assume this was already worked out prior to the draft.

2006-06-06 12:02:42
186.   Uncle Miltie
nate is Mitchell worth taking a risk on in the 4th round?
2006-06-06 12:03:42
187.   natepurcell

I would wait until later, some nice players still left on the board.

2006-06-06 12:04:28
188.   Daniel Zappala
And the Angels pick another high school catcher, Russell Moldenhauer, though he is listed as an OF on the draft tracker.
2006-06-06 12:05:02
189.   JoeyP
I was reading the BA blog. This was an interesting quote:

The Cardinals drafted Tulane's Mark Hamilton in the supplemental second round and might have gotten the best power bat from the college ranks

Did the Dodgers take Mattingly/Morris both ahead of this guy? Why? If there's one thing the organization needs, its a power bat to put at 1st base.

2006-06-06 12:05:55
190.   sanchez101
183. Its a win-win situation. KC gets to pick arguably the best pitcher from last years draft and not pay him typical #1 overall money, and Boras gets to justify his hold out by not only getting his cliet the money he was asking LA but also the prestige of the #1 pick.
2006-06-06 12:07:03
191.   Uncle Miltie
nate- I remember who the outfielder you posted about, Devin Shepherd. Is he still on the board?
2006-06-06 12:07:14
192.   Daniel Zappala
Apparently Moldenhauer has also played 3B and pitched. Has been a player of the year for Texas for three years running.
2006-06-06 12:08:09
193.   JoeyP
There wasn't ever any doubt he was a top-5 pick, talent-wise last year. The unknown "signability factor" obviously dropped him 35+ picks.

I disagree. Boras wanted a signing bonus of what a top 5 player would get. The teams in the top 5 passed on him bc they didnt think he was worth it.

2006-06-06 12:10:37
194.   natepurcell

shepherds still on the board but i dont know if he is the dodgers type of player.

2006-06-06 12:10:58
195.   sanchez101
189. because the key word theyre is "might", there are probably two dozen or more guys that you could say the same thing about. Morris might have the best righthanded breaking ball in the draft and might be an ace. Every player might be an allstar.
2006-06-06 12:12:08
196.   JoeyP
KC gets to pick arguably the best pitcher from last years draft and not pay him typical #1 overall money, and Boras gets to justify his hold out by not only getting his cliet the money he was asking LA but also the prestige of the #1 pick.

Boras comes out of this looking great. He had his client hold out a whole year, and the guy was still picked #1 overall the next year. Boras obviously knew that this draft class was weak, and told Hochevar he could still do well by holding out. It worked.

But I dont understand why the Royals wouldnt pay him typical #1 overall money? Why wouldnt they?

2006-06-06 12:12:40
197.   natepurcell
Im not a big Mark Hamilton fan. He strikes out a bit too much in college ball for me to think he will have the necessary contact skills in professional baseball to be a power slugging first basemen.
2006-06-06 12:13:22
198.   Humma Kavula
Is $4 million "typical #1 overall money?"
2006-06-06 12:14:03
199.   blue22
193 - So you are saying he wanted top-5 money even though he was not top-5 talent? I seem to remember him being ranked very high.

But this year he's #1 overall, presumably with a deal worked out (why would KC have made the pick if there was still an opportunity for a holdout?).

I'd say he's got a good agent.

2006-06-06 12:16:17
200.   JoeyP
Evan Longoria's story is pretty amazing. Wasnt drafted out of HS. Wasnt drafted out of CC. Went to the Cape Cod league and won MVP. Now is a top 5 pick in the draft.

I cant remember any top 5 pick going undrafted twice before. Thats phenomenal

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2006-06-06 12:17:08
201.   Uncle Miltie
Kansas City picks Derrick Robinson. I wanted him, a very fast outfielder.
2006-06-06 12:17:27
202.   sanchez101
196. Because theyre the Royals, and this is what the Royals do. I could work out for them. $4 million is arguably #1 type money, but its below slot and the only players that go #1 and get that much are "signability" picks. I like how this year a Boras client is deemed a signability pick.
2006-06-06 12:19:34
203.   blue22
What have recent #1's received?

If $4M is not competitive to recent #1's, does Hochevar's price tag go up?

2006-06-06 12:19:57
204.   JoeyP
So you are saying he wanted top-5 money even though he was not top-5 talent?

I think the top 5 teams in the draft basically said as much when they passed on him last year.

2006-06-06 12:21:53
205.   sanchez101
A canuck!
2006-06-06 12:22:03
206.   Humma Kavula
Okay, Nate, you're on. Who's Kyle Orr?
2006-06-06 12:22:03
207.   Uncle Miltie
Kyle Orr? What???
2006-06-06 12:22:13
208.   natepurcell
Dodgers just got their lefty power hitting 1b. nice.
2006-06-06 12:22:37
209.   Uncle Miltie
Is he related to Pete Orr?
2006-06-06 12:23:06
210.   Jon Weisman
Or Johnny Orr?
2006-06-06 12:23:08
211.   natepurcell
Kyle Orr is from Canada and he has been moving up draft boards with private workouts. He has HUGE power from the left side, maybe another Justin Morneau? Another lefty power hitting canuck.
2006-06-06 12:23:39
212.   Daniel Zappala
2006-06-06 12:24:17
213.   natepurcell
Players I like still available for the 5th

LHP carmine giardina
LHP brandon belt
1b/of lars anderson
OF devin shepherd
RHP jordan walden
RHP dellin betances

2006-06-06 12:24:29
214.   JoeyP
Russ Martin and Eric Gagne started the pipeline. Hopefully Orr follows right along.

He didnt go to Martin/Gagne's high school did he?

2006-06-06 12:24:48
215.   Uncle Miltie
Another college pitcher for the Giants...
2006-06-06 12:25:12
216.   sanchez101
204. no, they passed on Hochevar because he wanted huge bonus and was a Boras client, he was considered for the #1 spot by Arizona for a while. He was arguably the best pitcher in the draft, although most liked Pelfrey better. On talent alone, Hochevar was a top 5-7 talent.
2006-06-06 12:25:38
217.   natepurcell
from BA

Canada's top prospects are all hitters, a good thing for them in a draft short on hitters. A Kentucky signee, outfielder Kyle Orr was beginning to stir up first-round rumors in a draft shy of power bats. While his 6-foot-5, 185-pound frame seems well-suited for the mound, and while Orr has some upside as a pitcher, it's his leverage-generating swing that teams covet. While he has relatively long arms, Orr has a real feel for hitting and generates tremendous power from the left side. Early in the spring, he was showing more power in batting practice than in game situations, struggling with strike-zone and pitch recognition, but he'd started to translate it to games more frequently as the draft approached. Orr's tools profile him for right field. He's a solid-average runner for now (though he'll probably be a below-average runner down the line as he fills out) and has average arm strength. His makeup is universally praised, and one scout compared him to Rangers outfielder Brad Wilkerson as a gritty grinder. He lacks present strength and may need to go in the first round to keep him from going to college. Orr had moved in as a darkhorse to go early as the draft approached, though, so his commitment to Kentucky may not be enough to get him on campus.

2006-06-06 12:26:24
218.   natepurcell
lol, did Texas really have to tell the whole world that Chad Tracy is the son of Jim Tracy?
2006-06-06 12:26:34
219.   Sam DC
The Nationals have ended up with four of Jim Callis' projected first-round picks: Marrero, Willems, Black, and King. The Nationals took Stephen King (projects as a top-drawer SF/Horror writer) with the 91st pick, though Callis had him going at 13 to the Cubs. (Callis' final picks)

2006-06-06 12:26:41
220.   Steve
A gritty grinder!
2006-06-06 12:26:44
221.   Uncle Miltie
Devin Shepherd or Lars Anderson would be great
2006-06-06 12:27:04
222.   Daniel Zappala
Another note from BA on Orr:

he player shooting up draft boards as zero hour drew closer was Canadian teenager Kyle Orr, a slugger out of Victoria, B.C. Orr is Baseball America's top-rated prospect in Canada this year, and now people are talking about him as a possible pick at the end of the first round. Orr has been an outfielder and righthanded pitcher coming up as a teenager, though he'll hit as a professional. Scouts think he'll eventually end up in right field or first base. More important, they think he has the tools to be a middle-of-the-order hitter. He has huge power from the left side of the plate and crushes the ball in batting practice. He'll need a lot of minor league at-bats to show that power in games, but in a draft woefully short of impact bats, teams are starting to think Orr might be worth a shot. Orr is committed to Kentucky, and one scout said earlier in the spring--when Orr looked like a fourth- to seventh-round pick--that it would take first-round money to sign him away from college. Now Orr might just get it.

2006-06-06 12:27:25
223.   Steve
I think the Cubs took the Nationals 91st pick at 13, so all that works out.
2006-06-06 12:27:29
224.   sanchez101
I love the Orr pick, I like the canadian players. He also addresses the need for a left handed power bat. He looks athletic with a pretty short swing on his draft video.
2006-06-06 12:28:57
225.   Uncle Miltie
Brad Wilkerson is a grinder? LOL. I thought he would be anti-scrappy since he's a 3 true outcomes player.
2006-06-06 12:29:18
226.   overkill94
Is it good or bad that Orr's swing reminds me of Shawn Green? It's mostly due to the very quick hips but also to the sweeping-type swing.
2006-06-06 12:30:04
227.   natepurcell
Whites draft has been solid so far and I think we will have to dip into the hochevar fund to sign Orr.

Carmine Giardina or Brandon Belt please in the 5th. both are texas commits.

2006-06-06 12:30:52
228.   sanchez101
226. well, Green did hit 40 homeruns on three separate occasions. How soon we forget.
2006-06-06 12:31:23
229.   ToyCannon
Orr was the number 1 rated Canadian according to BA and he is from Victoria the greatest place in North America. The MLB video shows a very skinny kid, looks like Olerud.
2006-06-06 12:31:27
230.   JoeyP
Dodgers once drafted Wilkerson.
2006-06-06 12:31:28
231.   Icaros

I'd rather him be a grindy gritter.

But he's from Victoria, B.C. How can a real gamer grow up in the most beautiful spot in all of North America?

2006-06-06 12:31:53
232.   natepurcell
Is it good or bad that Orr's swing reminds me of Shawn Green? It's mostly due to the very quick hips but also to the sweeping-type swing.

its good. Shawn Green did hit 49 homeruns in one season. Even though maybe 10 of those were meaningful he still did hit them!

2006-06-06 12:32:06
233.   CanuckDodger
Kyle Orr! From my home province of British Columbia, the capital of Victoria, to be exact. This is a guy who would have been more predictable in the first supplemental round than Mattingly, so this is excellent. We wouldn't have picked Orr in the fourth round if he had not indicated he was signable as a 4th rounder.
2006-06-06 12:34:15
234.   natepurcell
Canuck is in heaven. He is now automatically your favorite prospect Canuck? :)
2006-06-06 12:34:25
235.   Daniel Zappala
Perhaps the Dodgers knew Mattingly wouldn't be around in the fourth, but that Orr would drop because he is looking for more money to opt out of school?
2006-06-06 12:34:56
236.   ToyCannon
Sounds like we will need to pay him upper round money to keep him from heading off to Kentucky.
Maybe the Hochevar money will get will spent after all. Crossing my fingers.
2006-06-06 12:35:32
237.   overkill94
228 and 232 I know it's a good thing, I was just playing to the hatred of those who only remember the present-day Green. If Orr could duplicate Green's career I'm sure we'd all be quite ecstatic.

His throw looks kinda funny in his video, makes me wonder how good of a pitcher he was. Seems more suited for 1B than RF if you ask me. He does have a very powerful swing though with that slight uppercut and explosive hip action.

2006-06-06 12:35:39
238.   Uncle Miltie
Is LaPorta's agent Boras? Not that I'd pick him in the 5th round.
2006-06-06 12:36:35
239.   gcrl
icaros, have you never been to big sur? i love victoria and vancouver island, but big sur gets my vote for the most beautiful spot in north america.
2006-06-06 12:36:53
240.   Uncle Miltie
Another Clayton. Where's Clayton Bigsby?
2006-06-06 12:37:40
241.   overkill94
Man, Orr won't turn 18 until almost October, I guess we're gonna really have to wait until we see this guy close to making an impact.
2006-06-06 12:39:20
242.   sanchez101
if we could get ryan scott at 143 that would be great. delin betances, walden, latos are still hanging around. i dont know why but i like jared mitchell.
2006-06-06 12:39:24
243.   ToyCannon
If we sign Kershaw, Morris, and Orr I'll be a happy camper. Mattingly would be dressing.

Of course last year I was estatic at this time because we got Luke and at my age I should have known better. This year I'll wait until these boys sign before I get excited.

2006-06-06 12:40:35
244.   sanchez101
241. really? that means he's only 17, I like Orr even more know.
2006-06-06 12:41:35
245.   Uncle Miltie
242- because he's a scrappy speedster
2006-06-06 12:42:52
246.   Icaros

I haven't been to Big Sur yet, so my proclamation was of some ignorance, I admit.

But I was in this park in Victoria a few years ago and saw the most painfully cute family of ducklings wadddling across a pool of lilly pads. It was like I had stepped into a Disney cartoon.

2006-06-06 12:44:34
247.   trainwreck
I want Walden, surprised he is still available.
2006-06-06 12:45:32
248.   Penarol1916
246. If you're thinking Bambi, then it comes from Bariloche, Argentina, the most beautiful place in all of the Americas, and I've been to Big Sur.
2006-06-06 12:48:35
249.   Uncle Miltie
Walden, Lars Anderson, Devin Shepherd, Jared Mitchell..I'll take any of these guys
2006-06-06 12:50:19
250.   underdog
I like the Orr pick a lot, too. Sounds like the only question is - can we convince him to sign instead of going to college? It will take more than 4th round money obviously, but since LA didn't have a 2nd or a 3rd, they can make it happen.

(in Jean Luc Picard voice:) Make it so.

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2006-06-06 12:50:45
251.   Uncle Miltie
The Dodgers better not draft James Barksdale, ever. They compared him to Juan Pierre.
2006-06-06 12:51:07
252.   Inside Baseball
Someone's prediction from a thread about a week ago is now possible:

An Ethier/Orr proposition in the Dodgers' future.

2006-06-06 12:52:16
253.   underdog
251 Barksdale? {insert The Wire reference here}

252 Yay! That was me making that horrendous pun. They must have listened!

2006-06-06 12:53:25
254.   Inside Baseball
253- Couldn't remember who made it, but I for one enjoyed it.
2006-06-06 12:55:53
255.   Uncle Miltie
The Dodgers better not pick a college pitcher
2006-06-06 12:57:22
256.   Steve
We want Walden!
2006-06-06 12:58:11
257.   Uncle Miltie
High school pitcher, ok...
2006-06-06 12:58:15
258.   Icaros

I'm a little afraid of South America, though. I don't want someone selling my skeleton on the black market.

2006-06-06 12:58:23
259.   Andrew Shimmin
We want Walden!

If only because it fits with the subplot of this thread.

2006-06-06 12:58:29
260.   Steve
That was anti-climactic.
2006-06-06 12:58:57
261.   CanuckDodger
DePo's not here anymore, breathing down White's neck. No four-year college guys need apply.
2006-06-06 12:59:06
262.   Uncle Miltie
I really wanted an outfielder
2006-06-06 13:00:20
263.   Uncle Miltie
what is going on with Lars Anderson? Did he kill someone?
2006-06-06 13:00:27
264.   Daniel Zappala
Here's the WNCC coach on Smit:

Smit is 6-3 and has a 93 mile an hour fastball. "I'd say there's a slight chance for him to sign," Whittemore said. "I think the odds are in our favor. He's set a pretty high number."

For Smit to sign, it would likely mean a Major League team would have to take him in the first five rounds, which would likely mean a signing bonus of at least $300,000. But Whittemore said he's heard talk that Smit could be taken anywhere from the third to 10th rounds.

2006-06-06 13:00:57
265.   underdog
Kyle Smit? What's the report on him? I for one think you can never have too much pitching...
2006-06-06 13:03:28
266.   underdog
264 Ah, thanks.

WNCC? Western Nevada? Western Nebraska? Women's Network of Collegiate Chocolatiers?

2006-06-06 13:03:32
267.   natepurcell
great kershaw photo

blow it up, frame it, hang it, make it your background or whatever.

2006-06-06 13:04:31
268.   natepurcell
what is going on with Lars Anderson? Did he kill someone?

1 million dollar bounty to buy out his schollie to CAL.

2006-06-06 13:04:32
269.   Uncle Miltie
Was Cory Van Allen the guy we drafted a few years ago?
2006-06-06 13:06:26
270.   Daniel Zappala
Western Nevada Community College
2006-06-06 13:07:30
271.   Uncle Miltie
Twins steal Shepherd....NO!!!!!!!!
2006-06-06 13:07:45
272.   natepurcell
Minny gets Shepherd.
2006-06-06 13:08:16
273.   Icaros

Why do these kids all wear their hats crooked?

I was at CSULB when Abe Alvarez was, and he was the first I'd seen do it (though I guess Dontrelle was already in the bigs by then).

Anyway, I'm now a senior citizen at age 30 because "I don't get it."

2006-06-06 13:10:39
274.   JoeyP
DePo's not here anymore, breathing down White's neck. No four-year college guys need apply

Which players did you object to picking? I think Pedroza, Ruggiano, Alexander, and Oreduff have been some of the better players White has drafted.

2006-06-06 13:13:25
275.   CanuckDodger
Okay, anybody placing bets on when we take our first four-year college player? In 2002 and 2003, when White had autonomy, we didn't take a college player till our ninth pick in each year. Then DePo comes aboard and forces White to mix in the college guys (our third pick in 2004 went college), and White had to take Hochevar with our first pick last year because DePo wanted Hochevar. I am saying Round 9 is when we take our first college guy this year.
2006-06-06 13:13:28
276.   Uncle Miltie
Boston drafts Dustin Richardson. The guy who was on the TV show Knight School.
2006-06-06 13:14:11
277.   Sam DC
Not sure if this was linked in last night's game thread which I haven't gotten all the way through, and its offered up without endorsement or comment, but there's along interview with Ned Colletti up at the LA Times Blue Note blog. (Actually, it's half of a long interview.)
2006-06-06 13:15:22
278.   sanchez101
267. that picture reminds me of dontrelle
2006-06-06 13:15:30
279.   Uncle Miltie
John Shelby's son is drafted. Did the White Sox really need to announce that he's John Shelby's son?
2006-06-06 13:15:43
280.   Steve
White had to take Hochevar with our first pick last year because DePo wanted Hochevar

(Elmer Fudd voice) The howwor. The howwor.

2006-06-06 13:15:52
281.   Daniel Zappala
Dodgers miss out on John Shelby, who goes to the White Sox at #165.
2006-06-06 13:16:09
282.   FirstMohican
As far as I know, the Dodgers got these top two picks as compensation for Jeff Weaver leaving the club. I know there was some speculation last year that the Dodgers were shopping Weaver, or that other teams might've been interested.

For those who have a better idea of these players' worth, how do you think these two pitchers we just drafted compare to what we might've gotten for Weaver last year had we traded him?

2006-06-06 13:16:48
283.   Daniel Zappala
279 22 seconds.
2006-06-06 13:17:19
284.   Uncle Miltie
Wake me if the Dodgers draft Jared Mitchell
2006-06-06 13:17:51
285.   natepurcell
Jordan Walden, perfect game's prep pitcher of the year last year is still on the board. amazing. He will probably go to Texas now unless someone offers him top 2 round money.
2006-06-06 13:17:56
286.   JoeyP
In 2002 and 2003, when White had autonomy, we didn't take a college player till our ninth pick in each year

Has Justin Orenduff not out peformed every other 1st rounder White picked with the exception of Billingsley?

2006-06-06 13:18:54
287.   sanchez101
275. Did Depodesta force White to take Orenduff, or did he only force white to take the college guys that you dont like? The only sources that claimed that Depodesta "forced" White to pick college guys are Gurnick and the clowns at the LA Times. When those are your sources, you have weak case.
2006-06-06 13:18:59
288.   trainwreck
I can't watch draft tracker. Who did we just draft and does anyone know his profile?
2006-06-06 13:21:03
289.   JoeyP
The irony of Canuck praising James Loney and very subtely denouncing the Orenduff pick is quite remarkable.
2006-06-06 13:21:17
290.   regfairfield
288 Kyle Smit, High School pitcher out of Nevada. Couldn't find much info other than the fact he throws 93 and he wants 300K to sign.
2006-06-06 13:22:39
291.   CanuckDodger
274 -- Ruggiano and Alexander were 20 round plus guys, and nobody cares about those rounds. And DePo actually did not want Ruggiano because he didn't like Ruggiano's college stats. I am fine with Orenduff, actually, but I think White would have preferred to go for a higher-ceiling prep player with that pick if he hadn't had to keep DePo happy. Pedroza, hey, I'll keep my fingers crossed, but a 22-year-old hitter from a big college program who strikes out a whole lot in low A is not encouraging, and a Three True Outcomes hitter had to be a DePo man, not a White choice, all the way.
2006-06-06 13:25:50
292.   JoeyP
And DePo actually did not want Ruggiano because he didn't like Ruggiano's college stats.

Where do you come up with stuff?

2006-06-06 13:26:40
293.   Vishal
[267] i'm ready to hop on board the c-train :)
2006-06-06 13:30:05
294.   Uncle Miltie
What was that Canuck?

This pick sucks more than Gray Davis.

2006-06-06 13:30:30
295.   natepurcell
first college player.

when tommy said lefthanded pitcher, i got my hopes up thinking it was brandon belt :(

2006-06-06 13:31:57
296.   CanuckDodger
286 -- Orenduff was three years older when he was drafted than any other player White has drafted and signed in the first or first supplemental rounds, so his pro numbers reflect the age-versus-level of competition. The bottom line is, Orenduff has a lower ceiling than Billingsly, Loney, DeWitt, Elbert, and Miller (if Miller goes back to starting), and out of those five Orenduff was ranked ahead of only Miller in the last Baseball America Prospect Handbook, because of Miller's injury history. That is not saying that Orenduff is bad, he just lacks upside.
2006-06-06 13:32:39
297.   Disabled List
Garrett White, finally a college guy.

I used to know a dude in high school named Garrett White.

2006-06-06 13:34:52
298.   King of the Hobos
What do we know about White's stuff? He's a lefty reliever, 2.68 ERA, 64 Ks in 53.2 IP, with 17 BBs.
2006-06-06 13:36:08
299.   Bob Timmermann

The most beautiful spot in North America is Western Brook Pond at Gros Morne National Park in Newfoundland.

2006-06-06 13:36:14
300.   natepurcell
from white's draft video, looks like he has a 90mph fb and a 80-82 mph slurve type pitch.
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2006-06-06 13:36:24
301.   Steve
Useless LOOGY pick. Draft is over. I like the top 5 though as a whole.
2006-06-06 13:36:26
302.   JoeyP
but I think White would have preferred to go for a higher-ceiling prep player with that pick if he hadn't had to keep DePo happy

Well, that might be a good thing considering White's previous track record of 1st/2nd rd picks. White has had 11 1st/2nd rd picks that he's been able to sign.

An unbiased person would probably rate Orenduff ahead of 7 of them at this point: (Loney,Miller,Hammes,Tiffany, Dewitt, Johnson, DeJesus.)
Behind 2 (Billingsley, Broxton).

And Orenduff is the only college player he's taken that signed in the first two rounds.

2006-06-06 13:36:47
303.   sanchez101
292. the internet. its true, but Ruggiano's stats were much better his junior year, i think Ruggiano was player that both Depodesta and White's scouts liked. Raglani fits that bill as well.

Garrett White's video is encouraging, he throws consistent 90-91 fastball. Big Lefty, nice motion, seems like a typical Logan White pick.

2006-06-06 13:37:18
304.   CanuckDodger
292 -- Bill Shelley, a and Dodger Dugout writer who reports on Dodger minor leaguers in Vero Beach and has access to Dodger personnel, has said that DePo told White not to waste his time with Ruggiano because of his college stats, but White deferred to a Dodger scout who really liked what he saw in Ruggiano and was a strong advocate for taking Ruggiano.
2006-06-06 13:39:02
305.   Icaros

Oh, okay. I'll take a drive out there after work tomorrow and check it out.

2006-06-06 13:39:46
306.   natepurcell
brandon belt is still on the board. please take brandon belt logan.
2006-06-06 13:40:31
307.   Daniel Zappala
Garrett White's stats at Ole Miss this year:

2006-06-06 13:42:14
308.   sanchez101
i just listened to Kershaw's interview, I like how he's already talking about heading to the minor leagues. Reminds me of Elbert when he signed.
2006-06-06 13:45:04
309.   JoeyP
The bottom line is, Orenduff has a lower ceiling than Billingsly, Loney, DeWitt, Elbert, and Miller (if Miller goes back to starting

Have you looked at what Loney has done? Loney has no ceiling. He probably wont be a starting level player in the major leagues. DeWitt has shown nothing. Elbert's doing alright, but not as well as Orenduff did at Vero. Orenduff was 22 when he dominated Vero, and Elbert is 21 this year. Just 1yr differnce. Miller is a reliever thats had multiple surgeries already.

"Ceiling" is just a term that is useless when used on guys that havent done anything (like DeWitt, Loney). Because if someone has the "tools", then that will show up in the stats column. But so far, it hasnt for either player.

2006-06-06 13:45:27
310.   Bob Timmermann

You better leave early so you can get in line for the ferry from North Sydney, Nova Scotia to Port aux Basques, Newfoundland.

It's overnight, although during the summer I think they run two of them.

It's probably about a 2-3 hour drive up the West Coast of Newfoundland to get to the park. I went in May and there were no other people in the park. Except there were caribou wandering around me, which I found disturbing. I was afraid they would attack me.

The park ranger laughed at me. But in a good natured Newfoundland sort of way.

Remember, Newfoundland is 4 1/2 hours ahead of Pacific time.

2006-06-06 13:46:43
311.   Uncle Miltie
Interesting pick. A Puerto Rican first baseman.
2006-06-06 13:47:49
312.   natepurcell
Elbert's doing alright, but not as well as Orenduff did at Vero. Orenduff was 22 when he dominated Vero, and Elbert is 21 this year.

Elbert is 20, doesnt turn 21 until august 13th.

2006-06-06 13:48:21
313.   natepurcell
Interesting pick. A Puerto Rican first baseman

carlos delgado!?!?

2006-06-06 13:48:29
314.   Andrew Shimmin
309- Somebody just got himself on Canuck's dead-to-me list.
2006-06-06 13:48:48
315.   sanchez101
309. there are so many things wrong in this post i dont know where to start, but im sure Canuck can pick up the slack, but getting as far as dewitt and loney have at their ages is quite an accomplishment in and of it self.
2006-06-06 13:48:56
316.   CanuckDodger
302 -- Orenduff is not ahead of Loney or DeWitt. That is not my biased opinion but how Baseball America ranks them. Miller is only behind Orenduff because he is in the bullpen now and has that injury problem in his past, but Miller's stock will rise considerably when his arm strength returns to normal and he is switched back to starting, as planned. Hammes, Tiffany, Johnson, and DeJesus were all 2nd rounders, not 1st supplemental rounders like Orenduff. Why bring the 2nd rounders into it at all, though you do admit that one 2nd rounder, Broxton, turned out better than the more highly-drafted Orenduff.
2006-06-06 13:49:18
317.   underdog
I like the PR first baseman!

Meanwhile, the Giants just took a Pill.

2006-06-06 13:49:32
318.   Icaros

The Dodgers should get a caribou outfielder to go with their bison.

2006-06-06 13:50:22
319.   Uncle Miltie
313- I don't think so. He's 6'3 and weighs 0 pounds so I don't think he has much power.
2006-06-06 13:50:58
320.   JoeyP
312. According thebaseballcube, Scott Elbert was born May 13, 1985. He already is 21.
2006-06-06 13:52:14
321.   underdog
You know when you can officially judge a draft, and the players within it? When each player's career is officially over. Or at least, when a player is obviously going nowhere, or been solidly in the bigs for awhile. Until then, it's all conjecture. To not see these things with at least a little bit shade of gray is a little wrong-headed, in my opinion. To be judging guys who are still very young as not having done "anything" doesn't show a lot of respect or patience for the process.
2006-06-06 13:52:15
322.   sanchez101
i like ortiz's swing, typical logan white sweet-swinging lefty. reminds me a bit of dewitt.
2006-06-06 13:52:39
323.   ssjames

Elbert is almost two and a half years younger than Orenduff, and other than wildness is putting up great numbers at Vero. He was also rated the top prospect in the SAL league last year, and Orenduff is stagnating in AA, so I don't see how you can claim Orenduff to be far superior.

2006-06-06 13:52:44
324.   natepurcell
According thebaseballcube, Scott Elbert was born May 13, 1985. He already is 21.

baseball cube is wrong. has the updated/real statistics stuff.

2006-06-06 13:53:05
325.   King of the Hobos
Apparently Ortiz is a pull hitter with some projectable power and no speed.
2006-06-06 13:53:26
326.   sanchez101
321. the baseballcube date for Elbert is wrong
2006-06-06 13:53:38
327.   JoeyP
Orenduff is not ahead of Loney or DeWitt. That is not my biased opinion but how Baseball America ranks them

Baseball America always ranks high schoolers ahead of college players. They are all about tools. Its how Ruben Mateo was gonna be like their next big star.

When people bring into account 'ceilings', 'tools', it just leaves bad impressions of Adrian Beltre in my mind. Or Chan Ho Park.. At some point what you actually have done takes precedence over what someone projects you to do.

2006-06-06 13:53:45
328.   Uncle Miltie
His swing reminds me of Beltran's. He looks like he's built kind of like Loney. He must be kind of slow because he seems to have a pretty good arm.
2006-06-06 13:54:00
329.   Jon Weisman
When did drafting college players become evil? I missed that.
2006-06-06 13:54:33
330.   sanchez101
323. i agree, but you should get the facts straigt, Orenduff is hardly "stagnating" in AA.
2006-06-06 13:55:53
331.   ssjames

Well what has Orenduff done that you find so much more impressive than Elbert?

2006-06-06 13:57:01
332.   sanchez101
329. Three years ago, I think the antichrist was drafted by the Angels in the first round three years ago but decided to wait until this year to get drafted on 6/6/06, didnt you hear?
2006-06-06 13:57:05
333.   Icaros
I like that the last clip on the Jaime Ortiz video is him taking a walk. must've done that for us.
2006-06-06 13:58:05
334.   Uncle Miltie
This is almost as bad as drafting that LOOGY. We drafted a 5th year senior. Can't we at least draft guys with a little potential?
2006-06-06 13:58:09
335.   JoeyP
Elbert is almost two and a half years younger than Orenduff

Orenduff was born May 23, 1985. I wouldnt say he's stagnating at AA. He probably should be pitching at AAA, since his k/9 is still over 10. At some point, maybe a pitcher becomes bored. Ruggiano should also be in AAA.

2006-06-06 14:00:48
336.   Icaros
Hey, a guy from Orange Coast College just got drafted. I used to teach there.
2006-06-06 14:00:51
337.   ssjames

You are right, I was just remembering his start to the season, nice to see that he has been turning it around. But I still think Elbert has the better pitches and simply needs to work on his control, from everything that I have heard.

2006-06-06 14:00:56
338.   King of the Hobos
Giles hit .340/.418/.576 this year. 9 HRs, 23 BBs, 28 Ks, 11 SBs. Not really impressive enough for a 5th year senior
2006-06-06 14:02:46
339.   sanchez101
the clip of Thomas Giles has him beating out a bunt and getting to first in 3.81 seconds, nice to see some speed, can he play center?
2006-06-06 14:04:49
340.   JoeyP
Orenduff at VB
ERA- 2.24
K/9- 12.08
WHIP- 1.01
HR/9- 0.45

Elbert at VB:
ERA- 3.05
K/9- 9.01

Orenduff probably started at AA again this year bc they wanted him to get his K's up again at the level, which he has.

2006-06-06 14:07:02
341.   natepurcell

you cant compare a 3 yr college pitcher to a prep pitcher. you should know that.

2006-06-06 14:08:26
342.   CanuckDodger
329 -- Drafting college pitchers is not "evil." College pitchers with high ceilings are just at such a premium they are snapped up as quickly as possible, so when the Dodgers draft, the theoretical choice at a given slot is usually between a high schooler with better tools and greater potential but less polish versus a college pitcher with polish but less stuff and potential. It is simply the way the market plays out, and taking the under-valued high schoolers (under-valued because they are further away from the majors) is exploiting a market inefficiency.
2006-06-06 14:08:36
343.   Uncle Miltie
This isn't even worth watching anymore
2006-06-06 14:09:24
344.   natepurcell
where is my brandon belt pick!?!? ah come on logan!
2006-06-06 14:09:52
345.   Andrew Shimmin
Hmm. Drafting Bridger Hunt almost makes up for letting the Orioles get Jedidiah Stephen. At some point the draft becomes a game of getting the players with the best names, doesn't it?
2006-06-06 14:10:44
346.   Daniel Zappala
Jarrad Page of UCLA was selected in the 7th round of both the NFL and MLB drafts this year. I wonder which way he will go.
2006-06-06 14:10:52
347.   sanchez101
342. Im pretty sure its evil, but I'll have to check with Plascke so see if exploiting market inefficiency is one of the black arts.
2006-06-06 14:11:47
348.   Jon Weisman
2006-06-06 14:11:58
349.   blue22
345 - Jedidiah Stephen

I think I have to have another kid now. Better talk to the wife.

2006-06-06 14:12:30
350.   sanchez101
345. i think milwaukee had the best draft by that measure just by getting brent brewer
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2006-06-06 14:14:48
351.   sanchez101
348. so im assuming those awards are about as meaningless as the grammy's, or maybe im right about Plascke having "other worldly" powers?
2006-06-06 14:14:53
352.   JoeyP
I typically only compare players based on their pro experience. It doesnt matter where they were drafted or when.
2006-06-06 14:15:22
353.   Jon Weisman
346 - Or as calls him, Jarrad Page of UC Los Angeles.
2006-06-06 14:15:58
354.   underdog
I think it'd be better if his name was "Jebediah" a la Springfield, in the Simpsons.

Meanwhile, Bridger Hunt really is my favorite name so far. If he can't play basebally, he's got a future in made for USA channel action movies.

2006-06-06 14:16:15
355.   Jon Weisman
352 - So you don't factor in how much time they have to improve before they reach their peak?
2006-06-06 14:16:17
356.   Daniel Zappala
348 So Plaschke or Simers is guaranteed to win as sportswriter this year? I hope the other categories have more merit.
2006-06-06 14:17:27
357.   blue22
354 - But then you couldn't call him Jedi for short.

Jedi >>>> Jeb

2006-06-06 14:17:38
358.   Daniel Zappala
353 I saw that too and it threw me for a second.
2006-06-06 14:18:03
359.   Andrew Shimmin
350- No match for Colletti's rule 5 coup, last year. But still nice, you're right.
2006-06-06 14:19:48
360.   Uncle Miltie
An Italian college 1st baseman, I wonder who wanted him. Just our 5th or so 1st baseman in the first 10 rounds.
2006-06-06 14:20:35
361.   ToyCannon
Carlos Santana

Who gets credit for signing the non - USA ballplayers. Does that fall under Logan White?

2006-06-06 14:20:35
362.   natepurcell
we seem to be loading up on lefty handed power hitters in hopes that one will turn out.
2006-06-06 14:21:18
363.   blue22
341/355 - If they're the same age in the comparison, does it matter?

In 340, what are their respective ages?

2006-06-06 14:22:50
364.   blue22
362 - Credit White for identifying and addressing the system's glaring deficiency.
2006-06-06 14:23:21
365.   Daniel Zappala
Gotta love the nominated headlines: "Cain, Enabled", "Show Me the Mummy", and "Let My People Merlot". There is a nominated sports story by Steve Henson and Tim Brown, Los Angeles Times, "DePodesta on the Way Out". Best of all is this entry under Entertainment Hard News: "Adelphia and Porn". Some unintended comedy there.
2006-06-06 14:24:18
366.   natepurcell
orenduff is 23

elbert is 20

2006-06-06 14:25:05
367.   ToyCannon
If you don't make age part of the equation your analysis is worthless.
2006-06-06 14:25:10
368.   natepurcell
twins select jared mitchell.
2006-06-06 14:25:37
369.   Andrew Shimmin
Steve Lopez is a finalist in two categories. That's, um, interesting.
2006-06-06 14:25:38
370.   Daniel Zappala
Junior first-baseman Andy D'Alessio is one of 16 semi-finalists for the 2006 Dick Howser Trophy. The award goes to the nation's top college baseball player. In 53 games this season, he is hitting .327 with 18 home runs and 68 RBIs, and has committed just one error in the field. Criteria for consideration for the trophy include performance on the field, moral character, and courage, qualities that were exemplified by Dick Howser's life.
2006-06-06 14:27:17
371.   Steve
369 -- Not to mention Tim Rutten or Michael Hiltzik. Ewww.
2006-06-06 14:27:31
372.   Uncle Miltie
368- I must have been sleeping.

370- sounds like a Ned pick "courage and moral character".

2006-06-06 14:28:07
373.   Daniel Zappala
Good article on D'Alessio:

Says he will sign if he is picked in the top 10 rounds.

2006-06-06 14:29:52
374.   King of the Hobos
372 A Ned pick that hit 22 homers in 234 ABs
2006-06-06 14:30:08
375.   Nuke
Still waiting for Vinnie Pestano, Shawn Scobee, and Ben Saylor...
2006-06-06 14:30:35
376.   JoeyP
352. Not when determining if a player will be good enough to make the big leagues.

If I drafted a player that was 18, and he hadnt shown much improvement over his first 3yrs as a pro, I'm probably not going to think much of him. Now that would still only put him at 21. Some may argue he still has time left. But I'm not one that believes just by getting older, suddenly something clicks. Just turning 22 or 23 (aging) isnt going to make you a better player.

Looking at improvement/production as it relates to experience is far more important IMO.

Its the Adrian Beltre paradox. Some are optimistic about Beltre bc he always had age on his side. Others were negative on him, bc his improvement related to experience wasnt good. I was on the negative Beltre bandwagon. I dont care how young a guy is, if he's accumulated alot of pro experience and hasnt improved, he's probably wont no matter how many "years until his peak" he has left.

2006-06-06 14:30:40
377.   Jon Weisman
363 - I was responding to the part of his message that said "typically."
2006-06-06 14:30:59
378.   underdog
D'alessio's a good player and a good pick.
He was also drafted in 2003 out of high school by the Reds.

372 You're right. It's horrible! They should be drafting selfish, alcoholic criminals. What are they thinking. Character!

2006-06-06 14:35:55
379.   Andrew Shimmin
How many rounds does Day 1 go?
2006-06-06 14:36:31
380.   Uncle Miltie
Look at his college stats:

His plate discipline got worse as he developed more power. The power is impressive, the plate discipline isn't. 25/55 BB/K ratio is not good.

2006-06-06 14:37:25
381.   blue22
377 - I guess I was assuming that the players being compared were roughly the same age, and that the respective experience to date was either pro or college.

My question, though vague, was does it matter if a player has ~4 years of low minors experience or 4 years of college when making a comparison like that.

Discovering that there was as much as a 3 year difference in the ages of the players being compared nullifies the comparison, IMO.

2006-06-06 14:37:37
382.   natepurcell
aaron miller was a bat I really liked. good pick by the rockies if they can sign him.
2006-06-06 14:38:54
383.   sanchez101
376. go back and look at what Beltre did in the minors and what he did in his first 2 major league season, it doesnt appear that you have any idea what your talking about.
2006-06-06 14:39:11
384.   Jon Weisman
376 - I don't really understand the Beltre example, because Beltre improved steadily.

1995 - .961 OPS in Rookie ball
1996 - .983 OPS in Low A, .770 OPS in A ball
1997 - .972 OPS in A ball
1998 - .998 OPS in AA ball, .647 in L.A.
1999 - .780 OPS in L.A.
2000 - .835 OPS in L.A.

That's steady improvement for the first six years of his pro career. He did run into some trouble between 2001-2003, but even using your standards, I don't know how you could look at Beltre before age 21 and not have predicted he would be a good big leaguer. And I don't know how you would think there would be no difference between Beltre at age 21 and someone with the same numbers who was 24.

2006-06-06 14:41:00
385.   natepurcell
okay, in 3 years, Texas is going to have the best pitching staff in college baseball. Jordan Walden, Carmine Giardina and Brandon Belt have all not been drafted so far. thats amazing.
2006-06-06 14:41:20
386.   JoeyP
381. They are wrong though.

Orenduff pitched in Vero when he was 21-22.
Elbert is pitching in Vero when he is 20-21.

They are 1yr apart if you believe thebaseballcube about Elbert's b-day. They are 1yr 3months if you believe the other site.

Its a perfectly legit comparison but people wnat to bash on Orenduff as if he's expected to dominate Vero, but suddenly if Elbert cant match it its bc he's 1yr younger.

2006-06-06 14:42:02
387.   JoeyP
I meant that as they are 1-1.25 yrs apart in terms of their ages when they pitched at Vero Beach.
2006-06-06 14:43:55
388.   Uncle Miltie
Fuller had good numbers, but the competition wasn't great. Still, I like this pick if he can stay at 2B.

.352/448/.599 6 HR 9 steals (14 attempts) 29/19 BB/K ratio. He might be a sleeper. He did make 13 errors, but in high school he received the best fielder's award.

2006-06-06 14:44:06
389.   natepurcell

they are 2 yrs 3 months apart not 1.

2006-06-06 14:44:37
390.   natepurcell
orenduff was born in 83, elbert in 85.
2006-06-06 14:45:55
391.   JoeyP
384. He didnt improve steadily once he got to the majors. That was the part of the example I was making about Beltre. Everyone thought he was young for his age being in the majors, so they didnt care if he improved bc they just kept referring back to his age and his counting stats he was racking up in reference to his young age.

At the minors, I look at improvement/experiernce over one's minor league career.

At the majors, that process starts all over. Improvement w)experience.

I think they are both more important thand just looking at a person's raw age.

2006-06-06 14:46:10
392.   King of the Hobos
Red Sox just took Belt
2006-06-06 14:46:49
393.   Daniel Zappala
385 So maybe one way to draft high school talent is to grab the players the top colleges are signing?

Any sense on whether any of these three (Walden, Giardina, Belt) would go to the minors and give up on college? I know it would be a hard choice if these were my kids.

2006-06-06 14:46:53
394.   natepurcell

nooooooo :(

2006-06-06 14:47:19
395.   Bob Timmermann
The draft should end around 3 pm PT today according to Baseball America. I imagine the time varies depending upon where they are in a round.
2006-06-06 14:48:42
396.   Andrew Shimmin
Ooh, Gavin Dickey; way to go Seattle.
2006-06-06 14:48:54
397.   underdog
As exciting as it is to be here arguing about minor leaguers' birthdays, I unfortunately have to get back to work. Maybe there will be a late round Piazza type in there somewhere today at the end. Cheers!


2006-06-06 14:49:18
398.   sanchez101
391. "At the minors, I look at improvement/experiernce over one's minor league career.

At the majors, that process starts all over. Improvement w/ experience."

your starting to make up your own rules

2006-06-06 14:49:41
399.   underdog
(PS: Paul Coleman of Pepperdine - actually saw him pitch this year! Not bad.)
2006-06-06 14:50:14
400.   Uncle Miltie
I think Tommy forgot to say "The Dodgers select ________ from the great state of ____________" on most of the picks.
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2006-06-06 14:50:27
401.   natepurcell
I'm not a fan of these minor league fillers.
2006-06-06 14:51:08
402.   Andrew Shimmin
Andrew Fie has potential, but only if Arizona is willing to go all the way and aquire a Fee, a Foe, and a Fum.
2006-06-06 14:51:15
403.   underdog
Paul Coleman: 2005 West Coast Conference Pitcher of the Year.

Okay, I'm really leaving now...

2006-06-06 14:51:44
404.   sanchez101
401. i know, even im getting tired of all the college guys
2006-06-06 14:55:02
405.   Uncle Miltie
Jordan Walden is gone. Sorry nate.
2006-06-06 14:55:02
406.   JoeyP
I probably made the Beltre example a little more complicated than need be.

Its basically this:

Beltre had a poor 2002 and got worse in 2003. The people that supported Beltre and thought he was a good player, would point to his age and say "We'll he's only 23"...Others would come back and say "But its his 3rd-4th yr in MLB and he should not be regressing, or stagnating"

I felt the latter. That plays into the example of minor leaguers. Say a minor leaguer has a really bad year at AA, is in his 4th yr in the minors, but is still only 21. To me, thats not acceptable. IF you are in your 4th yr, you should be well on your way to improving. There's no "we'll he's only 21" playing in the AA excuse. If you have sufficient professional experience, it doesnt matter how old you are, you should be expected to perform and improve. If you dont, its probably not ever gonna happen.

2006-06-06 14:55:14
407.   natepurcell
Angels got Walden. They probably will have to pay him a mil or so.
2006-06-06 14:57:25
408.   Andrew Shimmin
Bronx Banter commenters care more about petty little things like DFAing Terrence Long than the important issue of their lagging name-game picks. They started out strong, with Joba Chamberlain, but it's been all down hill from there. Casey Erickson? It's like they're not even trying any more.
2006-06-06 14:58:31
409.   sanchez101
woot! a high schooler, and a local boy no less
2006-06-06 14:58:49
410.   Uncle Miltie
A high school shortstop from LA, yay!
2006-06-06 14:59:57
411.   natepurcell
nice we got meltdown bradley!

"Guys are comparing my son to Milton Bradley and Elijah Dukes," the elder Akins says of Nick, a shortstop who attends his alma mater, Los Angeles High. "He ain't like that.

2006-06-06 15:00:23
412.   natepurcell
noooo texas took angelle! i wanted him :(
2006-06-06 15:01:10
413.   Bob Timmermann
Los Angeles High? Not exactly a hotbed of baseball talent anymore. I don't think there's been a big leaguer out of that high school in over 40 years.
2006-06-06 15:02:21
414.   blue22
things like DFAing Terrence Long

Tell them to get it done, so that we can send them Cruz or Ledee.

2006-06-06 15:03:42
415.   sanchez101
406. How do injuries factor into your philosophy?
2006-06-06 15:06:01
416.   Andrew Shimmin
414- Sounds like it's happened already. Well, the first part. They're bringing up Nick Green to fill the spot, according to poster rbj, comment number 24, in the thread at the top of the side bar.
2006-06-06 15:07:34
417.   natepurcell
from the article:

"He doesn't have the footwork, the hands or the actions for shortstop and maybe not the range," the scout said. "He does have the best bat speed in my area, and my area is good. He's got 70 raw power, but it's hard to know how usable it is. He's represented by Jim Lentine, which really helps, and you can see he's got a chance to hit.

2006-06-06 15:07:58
418.   Uncle Miltie
Sounds like a great pick. He has a bunch of talent, is a local kid, and will probably sign with us. I'm surprised that Ned agreed to this pick.

Here's what a scout said about him:
"He does have the best bat speed in my area, and my area is good. He's got 70 raw power, but it's hard to know how usable it is. He's represented by Jim Lentine, which really helps, and you can see he's got a chance to hit.

"But he's missed a lot of time and he's really raw. Plus, he's been painted as some kind of inner-city black kid thug, and that's not him. He's a good kid who's gotten a bad reputation."

"Nick just has to learn the work ethic that it will take for him to be successful," LaCour said. "He's a nice kid. He's not disrespectful. He has the tools; for him it's about controlling the beast in terms of his swing."

2006-06-06 15:08:58
419.   natepurcell
white is a high ceiling pitcher. good pick.
2006-06-06 15:09:12
420.   Uncle Miltie
Good pick, a high school pitcher who throws 95.
2006-06-06 15:12:40
421.   Jon Weisman
406 - I think there are countless examples of players having a one-year setback and going on to do well, at any level.

I picked one guy off the top of my head. Don Sutton.

1966, age 21 - 110 ERA+, 8.34 K/9
1967, age 22 - 79 ERA+, 6.54 K/9
1968 - 107 ERA+
1969 - 97 ERA+
1970 - 94 ERA+
1971 - 127 ERA+
1972 - 161 ERA+

I like to see consistent improvement too, but if you are going to throw a player out after a regression, you're going to throw out a lot of good players. Baseball is a game of adjustments.

The thing with Beltre was his appendectomy. It's easy to speak with hindsight now, but the guy nearly died. If you've got someone better, great. But I think you could dismiss some people too easily - taking into account age seems very relevant.

2006-06-06 15:14:09
422.   natepurcell
white is going to be a tough sign. he is committed to North Carolina. he will need top 3 round money to sign.

his stats this year:

9-0 0.60era 10g 1sv 58.2IP 25h 4bb 106k

wow, is the 4bbs correct!??!?!

2006-06-06 15:14:51
423.   JoeyP
415. They dont unless its like a tommy john thing where a pitcher comes back throwing harder.

Take this example of two MLB pitchers:
Pitcher A- (lets call him "Grienke")
Age 20- 4.80 ERA
Age 21- 4.70 ERA
Age 22- 5.30 ERA

Pitcher B- (lets call him "Blanton")
Age-23 4.85 ERA
Age 24 4.30 ERA
Age 25 3.75 ERA

I'd rather have Pitcher B. As you can see, in this example improvement with experience, was more important to me than just one's raw age.

2006-06-06 15:15:31
424.   Uncle Miltie
Red Sox just picked LaPorta, he won't sign.

422- sign this guy, those numbers are crazy!

2006-06-06 15:17:11
425.   Uncle Miltie
A Korean guy from Georgia? That must be rare.
2006-06-06 15:18:39
426.   regfairfield
White looks like a stud. In addition to his pitching, he hit .515, with 10 home runs. Plus, it looks like he's only been playing baseball for two years.
2006-06-06 15:18:59
427.   Uncle Miltie
Tracy gets a very scrappy gritty grinder in James Barksdale, who has been compared to Juan Pierre. Tracy probably won't be with the Pirates when (and if) he makes the majors.

Another high school player, this time a catcher.

2006-06-06 15:19:16
428.   808Bears
425 Hines Ward?
2006-06-06 15:20:26
429.   Andrew Shimmin
See Yankees? You took Casey Erickson when there was a Gorman Erickson on the table. That's just lazy. You only had to look one more place down on the big list, and Gorman could have been yours.

Fifteen rounds is my limit, I think.

2006-06-06 15:22:16
430.   natepurcell
BA chat.

Q: nate purcell from orange county, CA asks:
what are your thoughts on the Dodger's top 3 selections? How fast can Kershaw and Morris move through the system? Mattingly seems like a suprise, what does his bat project too? Any power potential there?

John Manuel: I've like Morris a lot since last year; I thought he was the top prep RHP in the South, over Chaz Roe and Cody Satterwhite, and I think he'll move quickly. He has power stuff and he's athletic. Mattingly is a surprise in some ways, but it sounds like the Yankees wanted him at 41, and other teams liked him, so a team with extra picks such as the Dodgers could take him, if they don't sign him, they don't sign him. We hear the Dodgers checked in with the Mattingly family to make sure they would have Tyler sign with a team other than the Yankees, and I'd expect he would as the 31st overall pick. He's got a bat that excites a lot of scouts, but his position remains in doubt.

2006-06-06 15:23:50
431.   sanchez101
423. If that really is Greinke, those stats are really off. He had a 3.97 era at age 20, and hasnt pitched this year at age 22.
2006-06-06 15:25:49
432.   Gen3Blue
Compaired to other Orgs. I would say the D's are balanced towards HS picks. And HS picks can generally be associated with "high ceiling" players-tho perhaps more high risk.
This is appropriate for an org. that has a fairly good complement of up and coming young players. It is suitable if you have a good system for the near future. You have a bit of time to develop some good future players.
2006-06-06 15:29:24
433.   blue22
they would have Tyler sign with a team other than the Yankees

Is it Tyler or Preston? I must say, I like the pick better if it's Tyler.

2006-06-06 15:30:39
434.   natepurcell
its Preston. I dont know why he said Tyler.
2006-06-06 15:31:16
435.   Gen3Blue
That Hochevar went No. 1 ticks me off , just on principle. I bet it means he got a pre-agreed 4 mil. But maybe no Major league contract. My question: If a team gives a draftee a Major League contract, does this mean a spot on the 40 man roster. Is anyone in the know?
2006-06-06 15:35:04
436.   Jon Weisman
423 - But who would you have rather had after the first season, Player A (age 20) or Player B (age 23)?
2006-06-06 15:38:45
437.   Uncle Miltie
Logan's Run™ continues, another high schooler!
2006-06-06 15:40:34
438.   Nuke
C'mon everybody, let's pitch in for the Alex White model!
2006-06-06 15:43:00
439.   Uncle Miltie
The Mets just picked Tobi Stoner. He would have been a better fit on the Angels with Jeff and Jered.
2006-06-06 15:46:05
440.   Uncle Miltie
The Red Sox drafted Brandon Weeden's (one of the prospects in the Jeff Weaver deal) brother, Tyler.
2006-06-06 15:47:06
441.   underdog
Weeden and Stoner would have been a good pair for someone to pick together, for the Dazed and Confused set.
2006-06-06 15:47:18
442.   the OZ
I appreciate the logic of teams that draft college players more heavily than high school players because they believe college players are more likely to develop into big-league players, and sooner. Many would also argue that the majority of college players have less upside potential than a talented high school player. If we take these two assumptions as fact, I might argue that:

(1) A large-payroll team such as the Dodgers will typically not need to fill more than two or three roster spots per year with rookies (this year being an exception to the norm).

(2) If a team has a limited number of spots for everyday-caliber players, wouldn't such a team rather have one outstanding and one average prospect rather than four average prospects?

(3) Assuming the previous two points to be true, wouldn't it make more sense for such a team to draft younger, higher-upside players than lesser, older college-type talents that might make the majors sooner, but be easily replaceable?

I have read and understand tha math of drafting college players, but it seems to me that the Dodgers would do well (and have done well) with White's strategy of taking a broad portfolio of top HS talent and hoping two of them pan out into impact players. Obviously, taking a top college arm would be nice but you need a top-5 pick to do that, typically, and the Dodgers shouldn't ever be that bad.

2006-06-06 15:48:32
443.   underdog
We just drafted a college second basemen (from U of Tennessee)
2006-06-06 15:52:43
444.   Jon Weisman
442 - The problem with that is that you assume you can get the outstanding high school prospect, period. But one theory is that that's a crapshoot - especially with pitching - and that you can draft high school pitchers until the cows come home and not get one who will become a big league star.
2006-06-06 15:53:04
445.   Nuke
Logan White makes terrible picks when he selects college players.
2006-06-06 15:55:13
446.   sanchez101
455. what makes you think that?
2006-06-06 15:58:25
447.   Uncle Miltie
445- no, only the 4/5 year seniors who are minor league fillers.

Has Danny Almonte been picked yet?

2006-06-06 15:58:31
448.   RELX
"The Dodgers felt I was not worthy to be paid with the top pitchers from last year's draft," Hochevar said.

Tell me, would you want $3 million to pitch for the Dodgers, or $4 million to pitch for the Royals?

2006-06-06 15:58:59
449.   Nuke
445 I'm going to assume you meant 445.

More often than not, White takes college guys who display little power, mediocre plate discipline, or he'll take seniors with unimpressive numbers.

2006-06-06 16:01:36
450.   Humma Kavula
448 If I had the opportunity to make $100,000 at a place I didn't like or $75,000 at a place I did like, I might choose the $100,000. $25,000 would go a long way toward easing that burden.
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2006-06-06 16:03:17
451.   Uncle Miltie
448- I'll take the $4 million, but I wouldn't have risked sitting out a year to get it. He must not be confident that he'll make it to the majors.
2006-06-06 16:05:46
452.   Nuke
Ugh, we drafted Joseph Jones because his father is a scout for the Dodgers. He is terrible, and a senior.

5.93 ERA, 30.1 IP, 17 K, 14 BB

2006-06-06 16:08:39
453.   Uncle Miltie
452- it's just a nice gesture, he probably won't sign him- they should have waited until tomorrow to draft him. Lars Anderson was just picked by Boston, but he won't sign.
2006-06-06 16:14:23
454.   the OZ
444 That's fair. The broader points I was trying to make, and didn't communicate well are:

(1) The HS/College mix a team chooses in a given draft should depend on that team's own circumstances and organizational strategy rather than a generic league-wide picture (of course league-wide data about draft picks such as Dr. Jazayerli's series at BP should be examined when making these decisions).

(2) I suspect it's possible that the cost to acquire a Major-League player on the open market who will perform at the same level as a mature 2nd-5th round college draft pick is less than the cost of signing the draft pick PLUS the opportunity cost of a missed high-ceiling HS player that may or masy not pan out.

Of course, there are a lot of assumptions all around. I'm just throwing ideas out there for discussion.

2006-06-06 16:20:15
455.   Daniel Zappala
Nate, the Angels drafted Charles Brewer, who was supposedly a 116th-rated player by Baseball America at number 552. Any info on him?

Also, any sense on whether Jordan Walden will sign with the Angels or go to Texas?

2006-06-06 16:26:21
456.   BruceR
Speaking of Danny Almonte, has Jeffrey Maier been taken ???
2006-06-06 16:36:42
457.   Blu2
When you're talking difference between $3 or $4 million, that million is actually about half a million when you hold out the taxes and agent's commission. They need to look at the net, not the gross.
On Hochevar, would you rather have paid him $3.5 to $4 million than pay that same amount to either of our first two picks today. White's ego cost us a good player.
2006-06-06 16:53:54
458.   Daniel Zappala
Anybody know what happened in the Angels' game?

- J. Molina walked
- J. Molina to second on S. Kazmir's throwing error
- A. Kennedy singled to right, A. Kennedy out at second on pitcher S. Kazmir's throwing error, J. Molina scored

2006-06-06 17:03:31
459.   FirstMohican
448 - It's 1 million more, more opportunities (I would assume that it'd be easier to break into the Royals' rotation than the Dodgers'), and he may have gotten a ML contract (something I think the Dodgers weren't willing to do). But like 451 mentioned, you get hurt on your year off and you're risking losing it all.

(Deal... or no deal? Can you picture Luke trying to make the decision with Boras in the designated family area trying to speak over the crowd?)

2006-06-06 17:33:03
460.   Daniel Zappala
I hate Doug Eddings. If I could be granted one wish in life, I would wish that he would never ump a game again.
2006-06-06 18:41:00
461.   ToyCannon
Thanks to everyone for providing so much information on all the picks. It was great to share the day with fellow minor league Dodger hounds.

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