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Baggage Check
2006-06-07 12:01
by Jon Weisman

Last week, John Manuel of Baseball America had a long profile on the difficult high school career of local product Nick Akins, who was drafted by the Dodgers in the 13th round Tuesday.

In search of a better school in a calmer neighborhood, Akins transfered from L.A. High to El Camino Real - perennial home of great baseball teams and academic decathletes - in Woodland Hills before his junior season, according to the article. But Akins was not rewarded for his two-hour bus rides each way.

Akins' 2005 season came to a head in an ugly melee during a game against Sun Valley Poly High. The Akins family says the Poly team taunted Nick with racial epithets and intentionally beaned him during the game, making a pitching change and bringing in its hardest thrower for the task. No one disputes that after Akins was hit with a pitch, he trotted to first base while his father approached the Poly High dugout.

"I walked in the dugout. I was wrong for doing that," Damon Akins said. "I'm bigger than the average guy. When I walked in, one of their assistant coaches grabbed me, and it started. Only when the players started swinging at me did Nick leave first base. He came to get his dad's back."

Another area of agreement: Everyone wishes the fight, which resulted in several injured Poly players, hadn't happened. ...

(El Camino Real coach Matt) LaCour agrees that Akins is still paying for his dad's mistake. When informed that two scouts had predicted Akins could go as high as the third round, however, LaCour sounded surprised.

"Nick just has to learn the work ethic that it will take for him to be successful," LaCour said. "He's a nice kid. He's not disrespectful. He has the tools; for him it's about controlling the beast in terms of his swing."

* * *

Here's a different kind of draft trauma, as reported by Art Thiel of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. (Deadspin provided the link.):

Picking up a phone to answer a call from the Seattle Mariners, highly regarded pitcher Brandon Morrow suffered an injury to his pitching elbow Tuesday that may have to be repaired by "Tommy John" ligament replacement surgery.

"I don't know what happened," said a distraught Morrow, a right-hander from the University of California. "I just reached for the phone on the table and all of a sudden I had this sharp pain. I heard a little pop. Honestly, I didn't do anything unusual."

The call was to tell him that the Mariners selected him with their first-round pick, fifth overall, in the amateur baseball draft. Club general manager Bill Bavasi cautioned that nothing about the injury was definitive.

"We know a little bit about pitching injuries, and there's always a possibility it's just a cramp," Bavasi said. "He told us he can't pick up a can of soda without severe pain. But you know how kids exaggerate."

If this had been a story on The Onion, I would have been less surprised. (I should probably be more clear that the article has been reported to be a spoof, though I think it practically begs to be taken seriously and misread.)

* * *

Dodger scouting director Logan White is chatting online at 3 p.m.

Comments (83)
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2006-06-07 12:45:52
1.   ToyCannon
Maybe LaCour should try taking two hour bus rides back and forth to work.
Hope we sign him and give him a chance.
2006-06-07 12:52:58
2.   Bob Timmermann
ECR likely has a few athletes who take long bus rides to get there. The big sports powerhouses in the West Valley tend to get a lot of students from outside their own areas.

It's not like all of the best football players in Los Angeles all happen to live within walking distance of Taft High.

2006-06-07 13:57:16
3.   Disabled List
Belated draft note: Don't know if that has been mentioned yet, but the NY Times mentioned today that the Yankees were ready to draft Preston Mattingly with their 2nd round pick. So for all the people wondering why the Dodgers grabbed him so early, there you have it.

Man, the Toaster is really borked today. Seems like that's been happening a lot lately. Time for a hardware upgrade maybe, fellas?

2006-06-07 13:58:26
4.   Rob M
Just a follow up from the last thread, I believe Ted Williams outhit Dimmagio during the 56 game hitting streak. By quite a margin, IIRC.
2006-06-07 14:01:05
5.   Jon Weisman
3 - Guess what - we've noticed.
2006-06-07 14:11:28
6.   Disabled List
5 - That comment was generally directed towards the Baseball Toaster proprietors, not you, Jon.
2006-06-07 14:12:42
7.   natepurcell
dodger trade target crawford showing power, hits a homerun off jered weaver to right center.
2006-06-07 14:12:55
8.   Jon Weisman
6 - It's a pretty small outfit, DL.
2006-06-07 14:13:37
9.   Jon Weisman
6 - Which is to say, I'm one of them.
2006-06-07 14:14:33
10.   Bob Timmermann
They're all sort of the same people though. Ken is working on the issue.
2006-06-07 14:15:33
11.   natepurcell

I hope we sign him too. I think he is committed to play for tony gywnn at SDSU. We need to dip into the hochevar fund to sign Orr, Akins and Alex White. White is an absolute beast. 6'4 2 spot star with great athleticism, 90+mph with a plus slider and only 4 walks in 58 or so innings this year. Unbelievable control for a prep pitcher.

2006-06-07 14:16:07
12.   Disabled List
9 - Didn't know that. Sorry.
2006-06-07 14:19:09
13.   Bob Timmermann
Ken is working feverishly on the issue. I know that because all Toaster bloggers have biometric sensors attached to them.

For example, I know right now that Jon's blood pressure is 120/74. I'm a little concerned about Mark's HDL levels though.

2006-06-07 14:20:24
14.   Jon Weisman
12 - It's okay.
2006-06-07 14:21:34
15.   Xeifrank
Interesting story about the Akins. Any idea what happened to Mr Akins after the incident? Was he arrested? Was Nick or any other players/coaches suspended? Seems like a dumb thing to walk into a dugout, but in the heat of the moment you could see something like this happening. Probably would've been better for him to wait in the parking lot after the game. Well... probably not. vr, Xei
2006-06-07 14:23:13
16.   Bob Timmermann
ECR had to forfeit some guys and that made them finish second in their league last year, although they ended up winning the City Championship without Akins on the team.
2006-06-07 14:23:25
17.   Xeifrank
13. Bob, do you work for the NSA?
vr, Xei
2006-06-07 14:23:38
18.   Bob Timmermann
That should have been "forfeit some games"
2006-06-07 14:27:54
19.   Sam DC
What a nightmare --
2006-06-07 14:28:00
20.   Xeifrank
Tonight's Dodger Sim:
Mets 2 runs on 5 hits
Dodgers 8 runs on 10 hits

Beltran clubs 2 run HR to give Mets a 2-0 lead in the top of the 4th inning. Matt Kemp hits a 3 run HR in the bottom of the 4th and Nomar does the same in the bottom of the 5th, as the Dodgers go up 6-2. Dodgers ended up winning 8-2 and Odalis Perez (I know this isn't too likely) pitched a complete game. vr, Xei

2006-06-07 14:30:37
21.   underdog
Old (young) friend Cody Ross is 0-fer-4 with a GIDP today but the Marlins are up 6-1 on the Giants, more importantly...
2006-06-07 14:31:31
22.   Jon Weisman
19 - Sam, see my post in this thread.
2006-06-07 14:32:01
23.   Sam DC
Oops -- 19 a parody, as I should have realized.
2006-06-07 14:32:18
24.   underdog
20 Yep, you lost me at "Odalis Perez pitched a complete game." The Sim must be on the fritz. ;-) Hope the rest of it holds true though!
2006-06-07 14:34:57
25.   Sam DC
This one, not a parody:

The Washington Nationals today named former major league manager and player Davey Johnson as Special Consultant to Vice President/General Manager Jim Bowden. Johnson, 63, will contribute to player personnel matters, including the evaluation and scouting of major and minor league players.

Should note I got this from a nationals' minor league focused blog, Nats Farm Authority.

2006-06-07 14:36:41
26.   Sam DC
22 Hey -- that was not there when I first read this thread a couple of hours ago. Was it? Has this cold gone from my lungs to my head? Did I miss your post about Davey Johnson!

sorry (you were right, though, about it begging to be misread!)

2006-06-07 14:36:53
27.   Ken Arneson
3 If it's borked today, it's because I've been intentionally borking it today. I'd explain why, but I'm not gonna explain why.
2006-06-07 14:39:54
28.   Jon Weisman
26 - Sure, of course it was there a couple of hours ago - you're just going crazy. :)

Actually, it wasn't. And I've been snarky enough today. I added it in after lunch, after getting fooled myself on first read.

2006-06-07 14:44:56
29.   Fallout
20 Xeifrank

Couldn't you remove Perez after 4 innings to make it more realistic?

2006-06-07 14:46:05
30.   JoeyP
Nippert's getting bombed in his 2006 debut for Arizona. He's down 6-0 in the 4th.

The Dbax have put Russ Ortiz back in the rotation, activated Terry Mulholland, had to put Juan Cruz on the DL, and last week they optioned Enrique Gonzalez.

Dbax will come back to the pack if those types of things keep happening.

They may bring back Enrique Gonzalez with Cruz injury however.

2006-06-07 15:00:41
31.   Fallout
30 JoeyP
...activated Terry Mulholland

Left handed pitchers can hang on forever. I thought that Jeff Fassero would be signed by someone after being released by SF.

2006-06-07 15:00:58
32.   Jon Weisman
Three o'clock - time to see if anything interesting comes out of Logan's Online Run.
2006-06-07 15:07:46
33.   D4P
natedogge7 = our little Nate?
2006-06-07 15:08:19
34.   Inside Baseball
Please excuse me if Simmons' ESPN Page 2 column about last night's game has already been linked, but it's a good one nonetheless:

2006-06-07 15:08:39
35.   natepurcell
wow, Logan answered my question about Morris' delivery. didnt beat around the bush. nice.
2006-06-07 15:10:50
36.   D4P
You'll never wash those fingers again...
2006-06-07 15:13:00
37.   D4P
White on Kershaw:

First and foremost, he's like a lot of our past picks. He has outstanding makeup, a great heart and he's a fierce competitor on the mound. Now for his physical ability, he's big, strong, athletic and has a power pitcher's frame with a fastball from the 92-96 range and a good overhand curveball.

2006-06-07 15:17:52
38.   Jon Weisman
White has just admitted he and other scouts use a computer.
2006-06-07 15:20:01
39.   D4P
That's OK, as long as the GM does not do so...
2006-06-07 15:20:17
40.   Jon Weisman
Interesting that at this point, kids may be saving the Angels' season as well: Morales, Napoli and Weaver.
2006-06-07 15:22:01
41.   natepurcell
oh wow, Logan just said he likes Morris' cb more over Billingsley's.
2006-06-07 15:22:35
42.   Jon Weisman
Score another for Nate: yielding the news that Morris may have a better curve than Billingsley.
2006-06-07 15:24:10
43.   natepurcell
if Morris has a better curve then Billingsley then wow, thats impressive.
2006-06-07 15:26:19
44.   Andrew Shimmin
25- Isn't it more likely that he's the interim GM in waiting? I thought Bowden was gone as soon as the team was bought, is that still operative? Or are they all getting fired? That would work, too.
2006-06-07 15:26:55
45.   Daniel Zappala
I propose that we take the picture of White on the front of the chat page and mail 10,000 copies to Plaschke.
2006-06-07 15:30:56
46.   bhsportsguy
Nate, get it over with and tell him you will name your first three kids, dog and goldfish Logan if he will stay forever with the Dodgers.
2006-06-07 15:32:02
47.   Fallout
38 Jon Weisman

You're not suggesting that White uses his computer to evaluate players by some Bill James formula are you? :)

Everyone uses a computer...

2006-06-07 15:33:12
48.   underdog
Hm, they haven't used my question but they took the one about "How to deal with stuff like" not hearing enough how great they are... Oh well! Mine's probably little better.
2006-06-07 15:33:18
49.   Jon Weisman
47 - "Everyone uses a computer..."

That's all I've been trying to say.

2006-06-07 15:34:31
50.   natepurcell
Nate, get it over with and tell him you will name your first three kids, dog and goldfish Logan if he will stay forever with the Dodgers.

it probably wont get through the filter.

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2006-06-07 15:34:53
51.   bhsportsguy
40 - Will Ersty coming back be a good or bad thing for the Halos? For that matter what will they do when Bartolo shows up?
2006-06-07 15:35:49
52.   natepurcell
Honestly, there were really some stupid/crappy questions asked. Like "how do you feel about being the best scout in baseball?"

come on dodger fans!

2006-06-07 15:37:36
53.   bhsportsguy
BTW - Hochevar's 4 hour agent was on XM last night and he was blasting Hochevar, he called him an immature idiot, I'd be bitter too if not only I did not get my 5% ($150K) but also paid about $1200.00 in airphone charges to try and get that deal done. Don't think we have heard the end about all this yet.
2006-06-07 15:38:42
54.   underdog
My question about whether he thinks the draft could be shortened at some point, go to an NFL model, with other players going free agent route, could happen in the future... was apparently not as good about the "How do you feel..." question.
2006-06-07 15:39:01
55.   natepurcell
Logan just had a slip of the tongue and said Morris or (Alex) White.
2006-06-07 15:39:35
56.   natepurcell


2006-06-07 15:40:36
57.   natepurcell
when will these new people start showing up in the dodger major ledge team?

Realistically, the timetable is 3-5 years. We all know it's exceptional for a player like Matt Kemp to be playing at the Major League level with only two and a half years of minor league experience. It's possible that a pitcher such as Morris or White might be able to meet those expectations.

2006-06-07 15:43:54
58.   Strike4
So who should be the untouchables as mid-season trading time for a needed starter starts rolling around? Penny, Lowe, Billingsly, Broxton, Gagne, Martin, Garciaparra and Kemp don't seem to have near equivalents. Maybe everyone else should be on the table for the right deal. I wonder if Ned is already dreaming any Penny-style mongo trades, or if its fallout might hold him back from a big one.
2006-06-07 15:44:54
59.   Jon Weisman
53 - Hochevar, re: last September: "I was about to sign a very bad contract. I got my head screwed back on and realized what was going on."

A very bad contract? Harumph.

2006-06-07 15:45:46
60.   bhsportsguy
Again, tomorrow Thursday morning, sometime in the 9:00-10:00 a.m. hour, Logan White will be on XM radio's "Fantasy Focus" show.

Logic and Logan White's safety tells me that I should not tell Nate that the call in number for the show is (866) 652-6696. There are supposed to be two guests on the show and Logan White was the second guest that was mentioned, plus you have fans that want to know who is better between Matt Morris and Ian Snell, but I am sure that when Logan is on, they will want specific questions about scouting and the Dodgers, so go ahead and flood those lines.

2006-06-07 15:58:12
61.   bhsportsguy
56 - I did not mean that I knew anything else, fortunately, the Dodgers and Logan White have not said anything but wish Hochevar well.

But for some reason, Hochevar feels that he needs to blame someone for what happened last year so he blames Logan White and his short termed agent for possibly duping him into a bad deal.

Matt Sosnick did not take kindly to being called a young inexperienced agent and so he felt free to blast away at Hochevar. I have not seen any write ups about it but it was interesting to hear.

2006-06-07 16:01:38
62.   Jon Weisman
61 - I think the Dodgers' scorn of Hochevar has been pretty clear. That being said, I think Hochevar could have taken a higher road. But in the end, it all depends on whether Hochevar produces to justify the love or the hate.
2006-06-07 16:06:03
63.   bhsportsguy
62 - Let's move Hochevar into the HSC category and concentrate on things like Gagne's game face and the Bison's home runs.
2006-06-07 16:10:45
64.   Blu2
(63) HSC has something Hochevar doesn't have and probably never will. It's called 'class'.
2006-06-07 16:13:02
65.   bhsportsguy
40 - Why is Erick Aybar still here, he only started that one game in Dodger Stadium.

One thing about Grady, he has played the kids and sat his veterans because he knows that the veterans know how to prepare themselves and get adjust to playing time issues better than the kids.

2006-06-07 16:14:35
66.   Blaine
I always get a kick on this blog when someone lusts after a player on another team and suggests some of our dregs to entice the other team to give the Dodgers the player of their desires.

I was reading the Yanks toaster material and they were talking about wanting Dioner back. One poster wondered if the Dodgers would bite on an offer of Aaron Small, Terrence Long and ....Scott Erickson. That made me laugh a lot.

By the way, my opening comments were in no way a slam on Dodger Thoughts. This is my favorite place on the web.

2006-06-07 16:17:44
67.   bhsportsguy
65 - sorry about the grammer, let's try again, Grady has done a good job in playing the kids while they are here because they are more suited for starting roles than back up roles due to their lack of experience. Guys like the Tomato, Jose Cruz, Jr., Ramon Martinez and Sandy Alomar all knew their roles coming in. Even Kenny Lofton realizes that he is not an everyday player.

That is why Joel Guzman will go down first when Kent comes off and hopefully he will perform like Loney has been doing so he will be even more ready when he comes up again.

2006-06-07 16:18:37
68.   ToyCannon
After all is said and done I'm happy he's not a Dodger if we take his money and sign all these guys including Alex White(#71 according to BA). Hope he has fun pitching for KC and getting his brains knocked around by CWS, Detroit, and Cleveland.

Isn't it interesting that Kotchman, McPherson, Mathis, and Kendrick(limited 20 ab's) all failed to live upto expectations and then Napoli of all people is putting life back into the team. Jered Weaver is doing his part.

2006-06-07 16:18:53
69.   bhsportsguy
Aaron Small is the Yankees version of D.J. Houlton, Scott Erickson is the Yankees verson of Scott Erickson.
2006-06-07 16:19:39
70.   ToyCannon
That would be a diservice to the memory of HSC.
2006-06-07 16:21:15
71.   Jon Weisman
66 - I saw that Erickson proposal - I think it was tongue in cheek. But I agree with your overall point.

And, thanks.

2006-06-07 16:26:24
72.   underdog
66 So my Ricky Ledee and Odalis Perez for Derek Jeter proposal won't be greeted with respect and open arms?
2006-06-07 16:27:44
73.   bhsportsguy
68 - I do think that Kotchman and McPhereson has had their opportunities (Kotchman may have been really done in by his virus this year though), but you Mathis and especially Kendrick were not given their chance, their problem was magnified because outside of Vlad and Orlando, no one else was producing.

I still think that Russ Martin, Willy Aybar and Broxton have had the greatest impact because they are now out their doing their jobs on a regular basis. But Matt Kemp has become the most exciting young player since Lasorda's godson came up back in '90s.

2006-06-07 16:29:52
74.   bhsportsguy
70 - I only meant that as a topic we should put aside like the HSC debate, it was not meant to say that HSC is like Hochevar in any way, in fact two more different individuals could ever appear in the same sentence.
2006-06-07 16:31:10
75.   natepurcell

latimes blog has a good interview with logan white on the draft.

2006-06-07 16:32:02
76.   Daniel Zappala
68 McPherson is up to .773 OPS, not including today's game, and looks to be a decent starter at 3B for this year and likely the next few years at least. He's recovered from his early problems. Kotchman had mono, which explains his early problems. I think he'll be back and given a chance to work in at the mix at 1B, with Morales sliding over to DH. Kendrick as you admit had way too few ABs and is lights out at Salt Lake. Mathis I'm less high on and they have Napoli to cover catcher now if his magic doesn't wear off.

While the Angel rookies haven't wowed like the Dodgers' rookies, I think they will be very good next year and the years to come. The long term view is still quite rosy.

They also have their starting rotation locked up for 3 years.

Yes, I am the Angels apologist on this blog.

2006-06-07 16:32:27
77.   sanchez101
55.57. are you sure he was talking about alex white and not garrett white, the lefty from ole miss?
2006-06-07 16:39:38
78.   natepurcell

LOOGYs shouldnt even count as baseball players.

2006-06-07 16:39:42
79.   das411
The game is over now but did anybody put up a CONDITION RED (and white I suppose) for the near Cycle attempt by....SAL FASANO?
2006-06-07 16:43:22
80.   Icaros
From Inside the Dodgers:

A quick update on Eric Gagne for you all. He did have some discomfort in his elbow last night after the game, so we got a precautionary MRI on him today and it showed no structural damage. There was some swelling though, which they hope they can control in 2-3 days. He won't pitch tonight and will be reevaluated on Friday.

Lineup out as well. Drew sits again. Kemp and Guzman in the 4 and 5 spots, respectively.

2006-06-07 16:45:56
81.   underdog
Well, caution is good. Now it's our nerves that are hurting, not his...

Kemp - should be interesting to see how he does vs. Glavine, who is probably too smart to throw him anything not offspeed tonight.

I wish one of these games was on ESPN this week. Sigh.

2006-06-07 16:47:55
82.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is up.
2006-06-07 17:03:11
83.   BruceR
72 Open arms? Absolutely. Respect? Depends if ROTFL is considered a form of respect these days.

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