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Mother of Mercy, Is This the End of Erico?
2006-06-13 10:14
by Jon Weisman

Since the year 2000, Scott Erickson has pitched for five major league teams and compiled the following record: 79 games (58 starts), 347 innings, 247 earned runs, 620 baserunners, 51 home runs, 141 strikeouts, 6.41 ERA.

In his best season of the century, Erickson had a 5.55 ERA compared to a league average of 4.38, for a park-adjusted ERA+ of 79.

Talk about the guest who wouldn't leave. You may know me as something of a bleeding heart, but it's hard to feel too bad for someone who has had such a long, sloppy goodbye.

The New York Yankees designated Erickson for assignment Sunday. Maybe, just maybe, this is it.

* * *

Members of the Big Blue Wrecking Crew, another place to chat about the Dodgers, have kindly invited Dodger Thoughts readers to join them for a get-together at the Dodgers-Nationals game July 28. Click here for details. Since I've proven incapable of planning such an activity - though someday, I hope to do it - it might be a nice place for all of you to meet up.

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2006-06-13 10:17:03
1.   Bob Timmermann
Good headline.

Wished that I had thought of it.

2006-06-13 10:19:01
2.   s choir
Yes... DT still works at work! Too bad gmail doesn't...
2006-06-13 10:23:30
3.   BlueMamma
hey, thanks for the bbwc plug, it's going to be a great game.

i think if erickson stops pitching, the world will end.

2006-06-13 10:26:10
4.   Sam DC
Hey -- I liked it once I like it twice!

Arguably on topic as pre-read for the meetup game on July 28th, Tom Boswell has a really nice column out today on the Nationals' two out-of-nowhere rookie pitchers this season. Except for the line about Frank Robinson, it is a very good piece.

2006-06-13 10:28:15
5.   Bob Timmermann
I will be out of town that weekend, but I will be with everyone in spirit.

You folks don't want to see me at a Nats game anyway. I'd be swearing too much.

2006-06-13 10:32:31
6.   D4P
The big questions: will SWAGGER be at 2B or LF for the Dodgers, and which current Dodgers will be playing for the Nats, come July 28th?
2006-06-13 10:37:24
7.   Eric Enders
With apologies to



1. Matt Kemp is 101 feet tall.

2. Matt Kemp ate Jonathan Broxton for breakfast and still lapped Carl Lewis in a footrace.

3. Matt Kemp invented Flubber.

4. Matt Kemp has been toying around with a slider in the bullpen that is almost game-ready.

5. Matt Kemp goes to 11.

6. New York's second-largest city was named Buffalo in honor of Matt Kemp.

7. Matt Kemp knows how to hit types of pitches that don't yet exist.

8. Matt Kemp is so popular that Bob Dole tabbed him as running mate to get more electoral votes in the South.

9. Matt Kemp guided Lewis and Clark to the Pacific while carrying a toddler on his back.

10. Matt Kemp is such a good outfielder that the infield fly rule applies to him.

11. Matt Kemp's the guy who got the building inspector to finally greenlight Carmela's house.

12. Even Todd Jones wants to sleep with Matt Kemp.

13. Matt Kemp gets 43 mpg/highway, 39/city.

14. When Matt Kemp was born, wise men brought gifts of frankincense and myrrh.

15. Matt Kemp knows what Bill Murray whispered at the end of "Lost in Translation."

16. Matt Kemp broke all of Wilt Chamberlain's records, both on and off the court.

17. Matt Kemp dragged Edmund Hillary's lazy butt all the way up Everest. Without oxygen.

18. Matt Kemp doesn't need to punch the opposing manager. He can just Jedi Mind Trick him.

19. Matt Kemp provides free housing for the descendants of all the people who were kicked out of Chavez Ravine in the 1950s.

20. Matt Kemp doesn't quote the Bible. The Bible quotes Matt Kemp.

21. Matt Kemp is not a 5-tool player. He's a 5,953-tool player.

22. Bruce Springsteen's next album, to be released on August 3, is called "The Matt Kemp Sessions."

23. Roberto Clemente wishes he could throw like Matt Kemp.

24. Matt Kemp's wallet says "Bad Mother F**r."

25. Matt Kemp is the first baseball player to win two Gold Gloves in one year.

26. Matt Kemp wrote "Visions of Johanna."

27. You know that radar gun Mike Brito's got? It's for measuring Matt Kemp's footspeed.

28. Matt Kemp taught Tom Emanski the fundamentals of baseball.

29. Matt Kemp was asked to play Woodstock during the summer of '69, but he had to decline because he was busy landing on the moon.

30. Baseball America rates Matt Kemp as the best farm system in baseball. The Dodgers are second and the Angels are third.

31. When Ally Sheedy broke up with Johnny Number 5, she started dating Matt Kemp.

32. Matt Kemp is now wearing #24 because #27 had to be retired for him.

33. Matt Kemp made Billy Beane realize we ARE selling jeans here.

34. Matt Kemp is so fast he once caught a home run that he hit.

35. If you follow the two pointer stars in the Big Dipper, they will point you to the constellation Matt Kemp.

36. The new phone number for Dodger season tickets is 866-MATT-KEMP.

37. Matt Kemp invented the "Jump to Conclusions" mat.

38. Matt Kemp saved Dr. Frank Jobe's career by performing Tommy John surgery on him.

39. Canada created a National Park as a memorial to all the catchers who died in home plate collisions with Matt Kemp. ( )

40. Matt Kemp knows what Thomas Pynchon looks like.

41. Matt Kemp doesn't need to be on the All-Star ballot because, well, some things are just understood.

42. Matt Kemp knows all the lyrics to "We Didn't Start the Fire."

43. In fact, he's in the song now.

44. Matt Kemp lives in a cornfield.

45. Matt Kemp is the only person allowed to call Ian McShane "**sucker."

46. Matt Kemp's last home run was so dramatic that Bobby Thomson's homer is now known as "The Shot Heard Round the Area Just North of 182nd Street."

47. Matt Kemp's voice was dubbed in for Audrey Hepburn's singing parts in "My Fair Lady."

48. Everyone Matt Kemp looks at turns to stone. You ever see that Willie Mays statue outside SBC Park? Matt Kemp did that.

49. Matt Kemp didn't win the National Spelling Bee. But he's the one who picked all the words.

50. Matt Kemp was sent up to pinch hit for Ted Williams. Every day.

51. All Southern California carpool lanes are now "Matt Kemp Lanes," in which only he is allowed to drive.

52. Matt Kemp has two aunts. Their names are Babe and Ruth.

53. Matt Kemp has been cast as the new James Bond.

54. Therefore, Matt Kemp wakes up every morning with Eva Green.

2006-06-13 10:40:09
8.   Jon Weisman
1 - Goodness, they're completely different. Bob's is totally on the nose, whereas mine has the twist that makes it soar.
2006-06-13 10:41:15
9.   Bob Timmermann
For some reason, #47 was the one that spurred the Danny Thomas-like spit take.
2006-06-13 10:45:21
10.   Jon Weisman
7 - My favorites: 6, 11, 16, 19, 22, 27, 28, 30, 32, 47, 48, 49. Please, don't let 51 happen.
2006-06-13 10:48:03
11.   Bob Timmermann
I appreciate the research necessary for 39.
2006-06-13 10:49:14
12.   Sam DC
29, 42-43!

But 28 is somehow my favorite. Understated. Perfect.

2006-06-13 10:50:23
13.   sanchez101
55. Kobe Bryant changed his number from 8 to 24 in honor and thanks to Matt Kemp for choosing baseball over basketball.
2006-06-13 10:51:03
14.   Sam DC
11 The little plunging buffalo anima-graphic at that link is pretty compelling.
2006-06-13 10:55:31
15.   BlueCrew
don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but it looks like billingsly is going to start later this week.

2006-06-13 10:55:40
16.   bhsportsguy
7 3, 14, 15, 22, 30 and 36.

A suggestion for 18, the Vulcan Nerve Pinch.

2006-06-13 10:56:23
17.   Linkmeister
56. Matt Kemp also knows what JD Salinger looks like (see 40), and has interviewed him.
2006-06-13 11:05:11
18.   Jon Weisman
15 -

2006-06-13 11:05:13
19.   bhsportsguy
15 Jon was way ahead of the curve.

Just watching your back.

2006-06-13 11:07:00
20.   Jon Weisman
Almost two months since I did a sidebar update. I'm now poised to make the Kent adjustment to the active roster.

Roughly $20 million on the DL right now.

2006-06-13 11:08:17
21.   Jon Weisman
Joel Hanrahan named Southern League Pitcher of the Week

2006-06-13 11:15:12
22.   Greg S
I'm going to the games in Oakland on Friday- Sunday. No reason to rush the kid up on Thursday. Friday is just fine!
2006-06-13 11:17:18
23.   bhsportsguy
I like Mike Scioscia, he hit the second most improbable home run in 1988 playoffs and he was a solid player for many years for the Dodgers.

But when your comments like Ersty providing intangibles that you can't measure on the field or in the clubhouse, I wonder if his loyalty to his veterans is clouding his judgment in what is best for his team.

And now by all accounts they are going to send their best pitcher for the last 2 weeks back down to AAA because their injured ace is ready to come back.

Now compare that to Grittle and Neddy. Now, its true that the Dodger's pitching situation is different but there is no question that if Chad comes up and does anything like Jered Weaver, not only will he stay, the Dodgers are more likely to stash Perez/Seo in the pen or off the team.

Also, there have no pronouncements that injured players who return are guaranteed their job back (aside from Gagne). I'm torn on this but there is no question Martin is here to stay and Kemp is certainly making a case to stay. Aybar and Ethier are certainly performing when called on.

Last night, I listened to the 51s game and it sounded like Izzy is making all the plays at SS, I think he may stay until the last possible day and then return to LA during the next homestand.

Some interesting times to be a Dodger fan, for the first time in a while, I can't wait for gametime.

2006-06-13 11:24:33
24.   bhsportsguy
20 It will stay the same after the exchange of salaries between Kent and Gagne.

After reading the Penny quote from the DT post of a few days ago, I wonder if it really is an issue of rest and treatment and that Gagne won't really be ready until later this season or even next year.

For all the concern about Penny, he has been fairly consistent since his return and his velocity has been fine. As I recall he was operated in the fall of 2004 and after a limited spring training came back in late April 2005.

Now the question is which surgery was the one that did the trick for Gagne, if it is the one that was done this spring, he might not fully recover until after the season.

2006-06-13 11:25:09
25.   Greg S
I wish we could trade Furcal for Izturis + 6-9M in payroll flexibility. Or maybe just straight up.
2006-06-13 11:29:03
26.   Bluebleeder87

good list this was my favorite:
36. The new phone number for Dodger season tickets is 866-MATT-KEMP.

2006-06-13 11:32:52
27.   Ken Arneson
22 I prefer Thursday. The A's just missed Francisco Liriano last weekend, they just missed Felix Hernandez this weekend, so it would be perfect if they just missed Billingsley next weekend.

I'll be at the Saturday and Sunday games. I'll be way up high in a luxury box on Mount Davis on Saturday. Normal seats (1st deck) on Sunday.

2006-06-13 11:35:39
28.   gpellamjr
7 Why don't you just make Kemp go up to 10 and have 10 be better?
2006-06-13 11:38:10
29.   Greg S
27- I'd like to believe that missing Billingsley is a good thing for the A's. Hope you're right. Don't know where I'm sitting on Fri or Sun but Saturday I'm front row behind the Dodger dugout. I'm a lucky dog.
2006-06-13 11:38:37
30.   Greg S
28- But Kemp goes to 11
2006-06-13 11:40:10
31.   Ken Arneson
29 Front row! Remember to charge your camera battery before you go.
2006-06-13 11:43:14
32.   bhsportsguy
25 I know some will find this hard to believe but I think payroll flexibility will be the least of their concern when they make any moves.

I am not implying that it won't be a consideration but it won't be a detriment if the end result is improving the club without losing sight of the future.

2006-06-13 11:43:25
33.   Greg S
I've been lucky enough to sit in seats like this a few times this year and many times over my life. And I'm 39 years old but I still get giddy about it.
2006-06-13 11:44:18
34.   KidCuba
I would not get too hyped up on Billingsley. I looked at some of his adjusted numbers from the minors and I was not impressed.

He is only 21 (I believe), but really, I think the hype might be too much.

I was already disappointed by Joel Guzman, after a bunch of hype (he looks like a Dominican Mike Marshall, with more athletic ability to me), so I am keeping my hopes low.

My first post here! Love the site and enjoy reading the posts, thought I would jump in.

2006-06-13 11:45:29
35.   sanchez101
I'd rather Billingsley miss the A's. He doesnt need those selective hitters driving his pitchcount up.
2006-06-13 11:47:35
36.   Greg S
32- I think you're absolutely right. McCourt, despite his reputation, has never proven to be cheap (look what he's spent on the ballpark alone). They are on track to break attendance records. But most importantly, all of these great young kids point towards a payroll that should actually drop on the next few years even as the team improves. No reason not to spend on one key pitcher this year.
2006-06-13 11:48:00
37.   Bob Timmermann
Does your handle mean we should avoid critcizing Danys Baez too much?
2006-06-13 11:48:32
38.   ToyCannon
Eric just cursed Matt Kemp and we'll be lucky if he hits another home run this year.

What do you expect Scoscia to say to the media, that Erstad is all washed up and his tangibles don't add anything to the team? A manager is supposed to motivate not tell the truth, otherwise these manchilds would be whimpering in the corners unable to stand up to thier shortcomings as ballplayers.

2006-06-13 11:50:07
39.   Greg Brock
The Odalis Perez "no-more tickets for you snotty kids" story just got picked up by Deadspin. Nothing like a little nation-wide shame to boost your ERA.
2006-06-13 11:50:15
40.   ToyCannon
Does that make him a prospect:)
2006-06-13 11:52:00
41.   ToyCannon
Good to hear from you, JtD will deliver it just won't be this year and it may never be for the Dodgers.
2006-06-13 11:52:38
42.   Greg S
34- Welcome!
Don't be too hard on Guzman. Not everyone can come up to the big leagues the first time and tear it up. Actually, it very rarely happens. Guzman just had the misfortune of looking bad next to the Greatest Player Who Ever Played The Game (see above). He'll get better. Maybe next year, maybe 2007, but he'll be a regular and maybe a star someday.
2006-06-13 11:54:51
43.   bhsportsguy
34 A little early to get down on Joel or as he is known here (correct me if I am wrong)JtD (Joel the Destroyer), don't ask me why.

Maybe as a courtesy to new viewers we should have a glossary of our shorthand, corrections encouraged:

Grittle - Grady Little
Neddy - Ned Colletti
Bison - Matt Kemp
JtD - Joel Guzman

2006-06-13 11:54:55
44.   KidCuba

No you can diss Danys all you want. Even though he is from my mom's hometown...

2006-06-13 11:55:05
45.   Sam DC
Dave Sheinin in his washpost chat today declares Nomar the best free agent signing of the offseason.

Also some interesting discussion of an article he wrote over the weekend assessing the costs and benefits of attempting to steal basis. The article had a detailed chart tracking run expectatncies in the different resulting situations and was pretty good stuff for a plain old newspaper.

2006-06-13 11:56:51
46.   KidCuba
Joel Guzman disappointed when I researched his minor league performance. The man has ONE, count it ONE, outstanding minor league and the Dodger hype machine (along with prospect junkies) got carried away.

Joel will be an average player, there is nothing wrong with that, but I doubt he will develop into the star we were led to believe.

2006-06-13 11:58:00
47.   bhsportsguy
38 So they are paying him $8 MM for "intangibles."

I understand that but that doesn't mean I have to like it. And there is manager in Chicago who just won a championship by calling out his players in the media.

Not saying its the best way but it is refreshing.

2006-06-13 12:05:19
48.   bhsportsguy
43 I defer to Jon and Bob regarding any disputes about the glossary.
2006-06-13 12:06:21
49.   bhsportsguy
43 - Is it Neddy or Flanders?
2006-06-13 12:08:10
50.   KidCuba
I like to call Broxton, The Baby Bull. I think I heard Vin call him The Bull, but the Baby Bull fits him better.
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2006-06-13 12:11:30
51.   gcrl
thank you for not including "peanut"
2006-06-13 12:13:54
52.   Fallout
38 ToyCannon

Erstad has gone from a very good ballplayer to below average because injuries have chipped away at his body causing the decline. At 32 a player s/b still in their prime if they can avoid major injuries.

With JD Drew's injury history, it makes me wonder when he will show a decline. So far because of his many days off he has stayed glued together.

2006-06-13 12:16:12
53.   trainwreck
Drew's nickname can be DJ.
2006-06-13 12:17:19
54.   ToyCannon
Guillen called out his players because they weren't playing baseball the way he wants it played. Erstadt gives his all, he just isn't very good. What good would it do to diss him in the papers?
2006-06-13 12:17:28
55.   Bluebleeder87

good point, but you have to agree that pitchers always have the upper edge when they come up (simple logic)

2006-06-13 12:20:59
56.   Vishal
i like referring to broxton as "el toro". makes me think of matadors and bullfights.
2006-06-13 12:21:00
57.   ToyCannon
I beg to differ on the fact that Erstadt was ever an above average hitter other then one flukish year. The Angels have handed out terrible contracts to each and everyone of their outfielders. They have all cratered in production from the moment they signed their deals compared to their previous production. Luckily they signed Vlady to cover up the errors of their ways or the Salmon/Anderson/Erstadt contracts would have been an anchor they could not have survived.
2006-06-13 12:21:46
58.   KidCuba

Hummmm....Common sense would point to pitchers having the upper hand, when they come up, but I might need some SARB member to conduct a study to agree with you. ;)

Actually, the would be an interesting study to conduct...wish I had the time.

2006-06-13 12:21:55
59.   Vishal
[46] guzman is still very young. he's got the raw skills to develop, but i think he needs another season in vegas.
2006-06-13 12:22:26
60.   ToyCannon
Why would anyone want to think about matadors and bullfights?
2006-06-13 12:22:43
61.   trainwreck
NPossible nickname for Billingsley:


2006-06-13 12:23:10
62.   bhsportsguy
54 Okay, I did not mean to make this into a personal inditement on Erstad, I was more interested in how both franchises are managing their talent at the MLB and minor league levels and discussing the differences.
2006-06-13 12:23:57
63.   blue22
Russell Martin needs a nickname, and has been called any of these in here:

- the "Canadian Mountee of Walks" (an homage to Kevin Youkilis, the Greek God of Walks). I think this one was premature, as it was given to him last year, and I think we can do better.

- "Russ Almighty" was given to him by someone here shortly after his debut. It's my personal favorite, as it rolls of the tongue nicely and is quite accurate in its description.

- Earlier this week, "Blue Trane" was suggested, apparently having to do with a story about his middle name (Nathan). I'd like to hear the story about this one though.

2006-06-13 12:26:22
64.   sanchez101
63. Martin has a couple middle names, one of which is Coltrane, hence the BlueTrane nickname. His father was a muscician and supported himself and Russel playing for change on the street. I like this nickname because it includes his name, his background, and Dodger Blue.
2006-06-13 12:26:40
65.   bhsportsguy
63 Although he is not lead player, get Miles Davis Quintet's CD, "Kind of Blue" and listen to "So What."

Some will say "Love Supreme" is Trane's best work but my first exposure was "So What" and I just love that title.

2006-06-13 12:26:55
66.   KidCuba
Quick question....

Any DMB players out there?


2006-06-13 12:27:03
67.   Vishal
[63] one of russ' middle names is also "coltrane". martin's father is a jazz saxophonist.
2006-06-13 12:27:16
68.   ToyCannon
You can't discount what JtD did as a 19 year old in AA, plus I'm his sponser for the baseball cube and plus he was born on my birthday so the boy had better be a star and not just some Dave Kingman hacker. Jose Lopez is already living up to my expectations and in 2007 JtD will follow. It is his destiny.
2006-06-13 12:27:36
69.   Sam DC
I'm haven't been too active in the nickname wars, so forive if I overstep, but I think the best nicknames just appear out of a situation/discussion -- you can't just make them up cold. So I'd hold off on nicknaming Billingsley at least until he arrives and plays.
2006-06-13 12:29:37
70.   Vishal
ok, someone beat me to it. btw, i like "russ almighty".

i've heard aybar referred to as "aybie" and "walkin' willy". the latter might just be me though.

we need a good nickname for kuo.

2006-06-13 12:29:50
71.   KidCuba
"Kind of Blue" is possibly the best jazz record fo all time.....
2006-06-13 12:30:15
72.   sanchez101
69. I agree 100%. Let them come naturally.
2006-06-13 12:31:05
73.   blue22
64/65/67 - Thanks. Checking various "player cards" looking for Martin's middle name only yielded Nathan. I figured there was more to it than that.

Although very sweet, "Blue Trane" does not hold up to "Russ Almighty" in my book, FWIW.

Anybody here want to own up to creating "Russ Almighty"? The google tool is not finding it.

2006-06-13 12:31:05
74.   KidCuba
You can call me "THE NAY-SAYER", because I am willing to bet you that Joel Guzman has an average 6-7 year major league career.
2006-06-13 12:31:07
75.   Vishal
[60] because they're dramatic? plus, having the nickname in spanish gives it some extra flavor. and no, it doesn't matter that broxton is white. :)
2006-06-13 12:31:08
76.   bhsportsguy
69 I agree, my post is about nicknames that have already fettered (Bob is this a correct spelling and usage?) by the DT crowd and now used by many of them when posting.
2006-06-13 12:31:14
77.   Fallout
57 ToyCannon

I agree with you concerning his contract. Moving him to first made it worse. But, he was a very good center fielder at one time in my opinion.

2006-06-13 12:31:23
78.   thinkblue0
has anyone played the brand new frisbee golf course in Elysian park? I played it last night...around the 12th hole there is a gorgeous view of downtown and you're looking directly down into Dodger Stadium. Go up Stadium Way, and instead of pulling directly into the stadium make a left and it's right there up in the hills...course isn't even finished yet. Great times, great view. Check it out.
2006-06-13 12:31:46
79.   trainwreck
Martin can be the Beaver.

The Bison, the bull, and the beaver.

2006-06-13 12:32:02
80.   sanchez101
70. "Wilber" has been the most common around here. Kuofax has been proposed, but people dont seem to like the Sandy reference.
2006-06-13 12:32:04
81.   fawnkyj
2006-06-13 12:33:32
82.   fawnkyj
Martin nickname should be Russ, just Russ. Like a brazilian soccer player he should be known by one name and everybody would know who you are talking about,.....RUSS!
2006-06-13 12:33:46
83.   Vishal
[69] what about c-bills? i've seen people use that already.
2006-06-13 12:34:45
84.   trainwreck
If he goes by one name it has to be Martin, just like the TV Show.


2006-06-13 12:34:59
85.   bhsportsguy
71 You will definitely get arguments about that but no question it is one of the most successful jazz album/CDs of all time.

2006-06-13 12:35:09
86.   Vishal
[80] oh yeah, i forgot wilber.

oh man! "kuofax" is AWESOME. i love love love it.

2006-06-13 12:35:11
87.   sanchez101
2006-06-13 12:36:22
88.   trainwreck
That one is pretty cool.
2006-06-13 12:36:50
89.   fawnkyj
Russeldinho is a great name!
2006-06-13 12:37:11
90.   bhsportsguy
71 It would be really cool if Russ had them play some Coltrane as he comes up to bat. Maybe I should suggest to Josh on his site.
2006-06-13 12:37:36
91.   Sam DC
"fettered"? meaning, it takes three short hard breaths and then misses the plate?
2006-06-13 12:37:59
92.   ToyCannon
He was a great defensive CF and a great defensive 1st baseman. I just don't think he was ever much of a hitter even for a CF. I'm an Erstadt fan and love watching him play. I just wish he had fullfilled his promise of 2000 when his OPS was 950. He hasn't put up an OPS over 750 since with 3 years below 700. That is very bad for any starting player no matter how good the defense.
2006-06-13 12:38:05
93.   DXMachina
How about "Pokey"?

I think you mean "vetted."

I'm not in favor of "the Baby Bull" for Broxton, because there's already been a guy nicknamed that, and he was a Giant (Orlando Cepeda).

2006-06-13 12:38:36
94.   sanchez101
Russeldinho it is!

90. Martin seems to come to the plate with Kanye West's "Touch the Sky", which is a pretty cool song.

2006-06-13 12:41:44
95.   trainwreck
If only Luc Richard Mbah a Moute played for the Dodgers.
2006-06-13 12:41:56
96.   Sam DC
quite random -- Nationals chat site has had a run of links to David Hasselhoff videos up at YouTube. Ever watch one of these things? Here's Hooked on a Feeling: Wow.
2006-06-13 12:42:16
97.   KidCuba
Well, I can see where the "Best Jazz Album" of all time would be an OPEN discussion. I would argue for some Latin Jazz records, while the big band buffs would argue for some of their favorites. That is what makes jazz discussion, just an interesting as discussing baseball.
2006-06-13 12:42:29
98.   Vishal
i've seen... well, j-lo for james loney. i don't like it though.
2006-06-13 12:42:45
99.   bhsportsguy
93 It pains me to be so wrong and yet be such a fan of the Senate Judiciary Committee Supreme Court Justice Confirmation hearings.
2006-06-13 12:43:19
100.   Vishal
[96] best worst video of all time. oonga oonga oonga chaka! hahah.
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2006-06-13 12:43:35
101.   trainwreck
I don't think we will have to worry about a James Loney nickname.
2006-06-13 12:43:44
102.   KidCuba
AHHH - I forgot about Cepeda being the O.G. - "Baby Bull"!

I got to talk to Cepeda a few years back at a Burbank Cuban Bakery, cool guy, for being a Giant.

2006-06-13 12:44:10
103.   trainwreck
This just in...
Brasilians are good with their feet.

Go Kaka!

2006-06-13 12:44:13
104.   sanchez101
95. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute is just fun to say. The closest the Dodgers will get is when Etanislao Abreu gets called up.

BTW, the Hu-Abreu DP combo can be everything defensively that Izturis-Cora was, except they might be able to hit.

2006-06-13 12:44:23
105.   Sam DC
100 It's the parka that really makes it all worthwhile.
2006-06-13 12:44:34
106.   Bluebleeder87

I'm not an expert by eny means, but you'd think thay have the upper hand no? the best hitters on the league fail more then they succeed (was it a dumb comment?) :o)

2006-06-13 12:48:08
107.   KidCuba
Bluebleeder..I was having fun with ya'! I woul d like to see a statistical study on the matter though...

A Nay Sayer, I am, but always a Dodger fan, lets hope Bils brings the heat. I need a TRUE #1 at Dodger Stadium. Penny ain't doing it for me!

2006-06-13 12:48:48
108.   Bluebleeder87

Billz sounds pretty cool (Billz it is?)

2006-06-13 12:49:00
109.   sanchez101
I hate it when people say, "the best hitters fail 70% of the time" No they dont, unless Niefi Perez is one of the best hitters.
2006-06-13 12:50:34
110.   KidCuba about...the best hitters fail 60% of the time?
2006-06-13 12:53:21
111.   Greg Brock
103-Nicely done. It only took 103 posts to get to the inevitable Kaka=poopy joke. It's like watching Adrian Beltre on an outside curveball...You know the grounder to short is coming, but you are powerless to prevent it.
2006-06-13 12:53:47
112.   Vishal
[108] adding the c makes it sound like you are talking about crisp 100-dollar notes. you know, because chad is so money.
2006-06-13 12:56:55
113.   Bluebleeder87

coultrane (sp?) is his middle name I believe.

kind of blue would be a good nick considering his Dads jazz roots.

how about K.ofblue? thoughts?

2006-06-13 12:59:47
114.   trainwreck
I am pretty sure his name is pronounced the way crows speak.
2006-06-13 13:00:23
115.   Greg Brock
114-That is correct.
2006-06-13 13:01:05
116.   bhsportsguy
113 John Coltrane

2006-06-13 13:04:28
117.   blue22
CBills (or CBillz, if you will) is kinda money, except I don't want to perpetuate the lazy habit of "First initial, first syllable of last name" nicknaming convention.

We'll allow it this one time though. And maybe when Loney comes up. J-Lo may stick, especially if he continues to hit like a girl :)

113 - "Kind of Blue" is a nice tribute, but I don't think its the message one wants to convey in a nickname ("I'm kinda on this team").

2006-06-13 13:07:41
118.   Vishal
how come most of the dodger vets don't get nicknames? well, i guess there's lucille ii for ramon-martinez-the-lesser. i guess tomko is bombko. but lowe? kent? we've got nothing.

we could have a james-bondian brad "money"penny...

aaron "posturepedic" sele?

but nomar is just nomar. maybe we can give him a nice exclamation point though, a la ichiro. nomar!

2006-06-13 13:09:49
119.   blue22
Nomar is "Nomah!".
2006-06-13 13:11:57
120.   Vishal
we're LA. we can pronounce our R's.
2006-06-13 13:12:17
121.   Greg Brock
I'm sure somebody's already dropped the "Status" Kuo monicker.
2006-06-13 13:14:06
122.   trainwreck
Yeah, we tried to nickname Kuo a while ago and that definitely came up.
2006-06-13 13:14:23
123.   sanchez101
118. Nomah is too boston. How about Nomarrrrr! in honor of his mexican heritage? Although, I suppose Nomar is unique enough of to be a nickname by itself, like Kobe or Kareem.
2006-06-13 13:14:45
124.   bhsportsguy
118 If Brad keeps pitching like this then MoneyPenny might be appropriate. [Insert "Swingers" remark here]
2006-06-13 13:16:56
125.   bhsportsguy
118 For one thing, the veterans came from other teams and I am not sure there is a sense of ownership like the kids. BTW has there been a nickname for Ethier, since he wasn't traded across the Bay, he can't be Andre the Giant. (I wonder how many times he has heard that one)
2006-06-13 13:18:45
126.   FirstMohican
Proposed addition:

43A – Matt Kemp, in fact, started the fire.

2006-06-13 13:20:01
127.   trainwreck
I will always seen Andre as the Assasin after he almost killed that Padre with his splintered bat.
2006-06-13 13:20:31
128.   natepurcell
79 made me blurt out my chocolate milk. funny stuff.
2006-06-13 13:23:39
129.   trainwreck
Chocolate milk...what are you celebrating?
2006-06-13 13:24:44
130.   Bluebleeder87

("I'm kinda on this team").

I hear ya.

2006-06-13 13:25:08
131.   natepurcell

I like to have a nice tall chocolate milk every morning. Gets the juices flowing....

......then I top it off with 5 shots of jim beam because well, that's what Matt Kemp would do.

2006-06-13 13:26:38
132.   Bluebleeder87

he's been MONEY all year so it fits him well.

2006-06-13 13:27:08
133.   Vishal
i hope he turns into "andre the giant-killer".

[128] chocolate milk is good for all ages and occasions. i drink ovaltine regularly, and i'm 25.

2006-06-13 13:27:24
134.   trainwreck
Aww the Keifer Sutherland wake up special.
2006-06-13 13:27:47
135.   blue22
I like to have a nice tall chocolate milk every morning.

It's 1:30 in the afternoon, just in case you haven't looked outside or anything yet.

Ah...the college life.

2006-06-13 13:30:56
136.   natepurcell
morning, afternoon, its all relative!
2006-06-13 13:31:31
137.   Marty
Colletti can be any of these:
Mr. Ned
Midas (to one particular poster)

I'm partial to Marty for Martin's nickname for some reason

2006-06-13 13:33:14
138.   Bluebleeder87

that's a good one.

2006-06-13 13:46:26
139.   trainwreck
We should celebrate like the Croatians when we lose.
2006-06-13 13:52:12
140.   Sam DC
137 You sure on that? If he's Marty, then when you guys go out together, it'll be all "Hey Marty!" and you'll both spin around and when the groupies are giggling Marty Marty Marty it won't be, you know, totally clear who they're chasing.

Could be problematic. Better to go with Russ Almighty.

2006-06-13 13:58:53
141.   trainwreck
Jeff (SF): Are you ready for the Chad Billingsley era in Los Angeles?

Rob Neyer: Gee, I don't know. I'm still trying to adjust to Cole Hamels, Francisco Liriano, and Bobby Keppel (just kidding about Bobby Keppel). It's been a great year for young pitching. I do think Billingsley's ready, though his control in AAA is a slight concern.

2006-06-13 14:00:03
142.   Vishal
russ almighty is good, but russeldinho takes the cake.
2006-06-13 14:03:40
143.   KidCuba
141. (How the hell do I insert a link.)

My concerns exactly! Billingsley walks a lot of batters. He is not the next Daniel Cabrera, but I would guess he will walk 3 to 4 batters per 9 IP in the bigs.

2006-06-13 14:05:59
144.   natepurcell
My concerns exactly! Billingsley walks a lot of batters. He is not the next Daniel Cabrera, but I would guess he will walk 3 to 4 batters per 9 IP in the bigs.

which IMO, is fine for a 21 yr old. He will improve in that area as he matures.

2006-06-13 14:06:14
145.   Marty
140 Unfortunately, it would be quite clear who they were chasing...
2006-06-13 14:08:00
146.   Marty
143 Put it between square brackets []
2006-06-13 14:10:57
147.   screwballin
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but BP announced in a chat that their minor league pages are available now in beta. They're still a little rough, with some column headings missing, etc. But still some good info there.

2006-06-13 14:12:24
148.   trainwreck
Billingsley could be the Bill if people want to go with the Buffalo/Large mammal thing we got going.
2006-06-13 14:12:35
149.   KidCuba
144Not a problem, I agree, for a 21-year old pitcher, but the Dodgers need to be willing to show him patience. The management cannot expect him to be lights out, hell, if he pitches at Tomko's level, that would be great for Bills at this point in time. If the call him up for two starts and send him down - a la Edwin Jackson - it might be bad for Bill's development.

Bottom line, if they call him down, I hope it is for good!

2006-06-13 14:16:09
150.   trainwreck
Call Baez the Yak, because that is what he makes me do.
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2006-06-13 14:17:21
151.   capdodger
Another vote for Russeldinho here.
2006-06-13 14:24:44
152.   natepurcell
Im watching espnU right now and the stanford game is on where reynolds is pitching. He doesnt look too bad although for being 6'8 and a beast, his fb is only 90-93. He has good control though. If he can increase that fb velocity, he might be more then a middle of the rotation starter.
2006-06-13 14:25:46
153.   Jon Weisman
43 - "Neddy" seems pretty weak, though I never liked "Flanders" either.

63 - Blue Trane (or Blues Trane) was mine. That'd be cool if one of mine stuck.

78 - I'd like to try that.

126 - Yeah, that sounds better.

2006-06-13 14:26:18
154.   trainwreck
I wish I got EspnU.
2006-06-13 14:28:17
155.   blue22
Isn't "Russeldinho" in danger of being obsolete in just a few short weeks?
2006-06-13 14:29:39
156.   trainwreck
The beauty of it is that it makes no sense.
2006-06-13 14:30:50
157.   Marty
What's the genesis of Russeldinho?
2006-06-13 14:32:01
158.   Penarol1916
155. Just because the soccer season won't start up again until September doesn't mean that the name will be obsolete, Barcelona will be playing overseas tours with Ronaldinho before then.
2006-06-13 14:33:09
159.   trainwreck
I am pretty sure Sanchez was just watching the World Cup.
2006-06-13 14:34:08
160.   Marty
Aah, a soccer reference. No wonder I didn't get it.
2006-06-13 14:34:12
161.   blue22
158 - But who cares about soccer in non-World Cup months?
2006-06-13 14:35:13
162.   Bob Timmermann
I hear Otto Pfister is interviewing for a job to replace Buddy Bell in Kansas City.
2006-06-13 14:35:48
163.   blue22
There's Ronaldo, who most people remember as the bald guy who was the "best player in the world" last World Cup. Now they have Ronaldhino (sp?).

The question is, if Martin is Russeldhino - who is the original Russell? Bill?

2006-06-13 14:38:23
164.   Jon Weisman
We are not tying Russell Martin to a soccer reference. Come on.
2006-06-13 14:38:41
165.   trainwreck
Russell Crowe.
2006-06-13 14:39:44
166.   Jon Weisman
Travis Denker goes from Vero Beach to Columbus.

I'm assuming this is news for everyone but Nate and a couple others.

2006-06-13 14:41:16
167.   Bob Timmermann
You could go for a hockey reference for Russell Martin. He's from Quebec. He wears a mask.

We could call him Martin Brodeur.

2006-06-13 14:42:12
168.   trainwreck
Russell Sprouts? Awww that makes no sense.
2006-06-13 14:42:15
169.   trainwreck
Russell Sprouts? Awww that makes no sense.
2006-06-13 14:43:04
170.   natepurcell

news to me too. Denker completely tanked at Vero after being like the best hitter in the league in Columbus. I really dont understand it.

2006-06-13 14:43:11
171.   Penarol1916
161. Everyone who's cool.
2006-06-13 14:45:10
172.   Marty
Russell Do-Right

The Canadian Terror

Backstop Bacon (naw)

The Canadian Clubber

2006-06-13 14:46:14
173.   Steve
2006-06-13 14:46:37
174.   natepurcell
I like Bluetrane.
2006-06-13 14:47:40
175.   Jon Weisman
What do you think that has against providing the career minor league stats for a player? It would be so nice not to have to alternate between that site and Baseball Cube.
2006-06-13 14:47:59
176.   trainwreck
Backstop Bacon hahaha.

Canadian reference kind of leaves the door on that one.

2006-06-13 14:49:05
177.   natepurcell

I have no clue. But I am with you on that. It is rather annoying having to shuffle between the two.

Why does Vero Beach suck so bad? I blame the coaching.

2006-06-13 14:49:45
178.   natepurcell
you can do backstop canadian bacon. BCB!
2006-06-13 14:51:11
179.   bhsportsguy
170 Nate, maybe it has something to do with what you hinted at yesterday regarding Dewitt.

175 Jon, I think there is still some doubt about the need for that type of information, that is why teams still rely on media guides, game notes.

2006-06-13 14:51:13
180.   trainwreck
I saw that movie Summer Catch, maybe they are distracted by women that look like Jessica Biel.
2006-06-13 14:53:10
181.   jasonungar05
The "strongest man in So Cal" wasnt the "strongest man in So Cal" until he earned it. I am with those who think the nicknames have to come natrually.

You know, like "Kenny Speed"

2006-06-13 14:56:01
182.   Vishal
maybe we can just pronounce his name with a french accent... rue-SEL marr-TANH.
2006-06-13 15:03:12
183.   Disabled List
"Bluetrane" will never catch on, people. Free agency has ruined the concept of a nickname based on one's team affiliation. "Coltrane" might work.

I think "Russeldinho" is genius, Jon's objection notwithstanding. The original Ronaldinho only happens to be one of the most famous athletes in the world, even if a few DT readers have never heard of him.

2006-06-13 15:09:09
184.   sanchez101
Id rather compare Martin to the most famous athlete in the world than Kemp to an endangered animal.
2006-06-13 15:09:09
185.   Steve

Not in a thousand lifetimes.

2006-06-13 15:11:40
186.   Jon Weisman
183 - As long as my objection is notwithstanding, I think it's awful, truly awful, on so many levels. It's hard on the ears, it's atrocious on the eyes, it makes little sense to connect him to another athlete and certainly makes no sense to connect him to a Brazilian soccer player, and a large segment of the baseball-watching population will be left going, "Huh?"
2006-06-13 15:12:05
187.   sanchez101
"The question is, if Martin is Russeldhino - who is the original Russell?"

- Russell Martin Sr.?

2006-06-13 15:12:15
188.   jasonungar05
It beats Russelreyna, RusselBeasley or RusselLandon or whatever crap that was.
2006-06-13 15:14:48
189.   Jon Weisman
183 - Further, Martin won't be a free agent for at least six years. I think we can make the investment that he'll be blue for a while. And at least it has something to do with the player, both personal and professional.
2006-06-13 15:16:25
190.   Disabled List
186 - Awful on the ears? Really?

I think it a great nickname: appropriately esoteric, vaguely ironic, and nicely alliterative.

But hey, that's just MHO.

2006-06-13 15:17:59
191.   Jon Weisman
190 - Just my HO too :) It's certainly esoteric. How is it ironic or alliterative?
2006-06-13 15:18:08
192.   sanchez101
186. I'll give you that it makes little sense, which is actually why I like it. But hard on the ears? It rolls off tougue even better than Ronaldinho. If anything its fun to say.
2006-06-13 15:18:12
193.   Marty
How is Russelldhino alliterative?
2006-06-13 15:19:14
194.   Marty
Just make it Martini.
2006-06-13 15:19:38
195.   natepurcell
I still love Marty's idea of Backstop Bacon.
2006-06-13 15:19:45
196.   Jon Weisman
"It rolls off tougue even better than Ronaldinho."

This is not much of a standard to work with.

2006-06-13 15:20:11
197.   Marty
That way in a home-plate collision it can be "Martini shaken, not stirred"
2006-06-13 15:21:57
198.   natepurcell
bacon! bacon! bacon! I smell......bacon! (runs around the clubhouse like repk- i mean a puppy dog)
2006-06-13 15:22:24
199.   Curtis Lowe

Russ Almighty.

2006-06-13 15:22:38
200.   sanchez101
194. that reminds me too much of all the silly Angel nicknames; Vlady, Ersty, Frankie, Figgy, ect.
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2006-06-13 15:24:45
201.   sanchez101
196. are we speaking different languages?
2006-06-13 15:25:08
202.   Blu2
"Russ". Simple, short, says it all. "Russ".
2006-06-13 15:25:19
203.   Marty
I liked this sentence in a Detroit paper about Burnitz:

Newsday reported that the Tigers might take a run at acquiring outfielder Jeromy Burnitz from the Pirates, citing two reasons: because the Tigers are looking for a left-handed hitter with power and because Burnitz "usually gets traded this time of year."

2006-06-13 15:26:13
204.   Jon Weisman
201 - I guess.
2006-06-13 15:26:51
205.   Disabled List
I might have the exact definition of alliterative wrong, but I think it sounds neat and is fun to say.

And I also think the nickname of a rookie catcher evoking one of the best athletes on the planet just drips with irony, don't you?

2006-06-13 15:27:21
206.   natepurcell
wow, Russ is sluging .505 after 100 ABs. I didnt even realize that.
2006-06-13 15:28:05
207.   Marty
2006-06-13 15:29:45
208.   Jon Weisman
205 - I think we're back to having to re-explain what irony is. This isn't it.
2006-06-13 15:29:53
209.   Bluebleeder87

great point.

2006-06-13 15:31:11
210.   bhsportsguy
Today's lineup:

Furcal, SS
Lofton, CF
Garciaparra, 1B
Drew, RF
Kent, 2B
Aybar, 3B
Kemp, LF
Martin, C
Sele, P

Just posted on site, they did not have the corresponding move yet.

2006-06-13 15:31:19
211.   Marty
Although re-explaining irony may be...
2006-06-13 15:32:05
212.   Vishal
[191] it's vaguely ironic because ronaldinho is The Best Soccer Player In The World® and russ martin is just some kid catcher we like, and not really the best in the world at anything, yet.

come on, "russeldinho" sounds exciting. say it with a rising voice :)

2006-06-13 15:33:34
213.   natepurcell
Kemp is the best #7 hitter in the league.
2006-06-13 15:33:47
214.   Marty
Nice to see Drew back in the lineup.
2006-06-13 15:33:57
215.   Steve
One more loss and soccer will go away for another four years. The days can't get much longer.
2006-06-13 15:34:07
216.   natepurcell
And I feel bad for Ethier. He should be playing everyday.
2006-06-13 15:34:11
217.   adg
Nicknames based on hometown or affiliation could be good too, so Russell Martin could be:

Martin Canada
Russell Quebec

2006-06-13 15:34:35
218.   sanchez101
203. lol
2006-06-13 15:35:14
219.   the OZ
"Russeldinho", while a terrible nickname, is still really amusing and I appreciate it.
2006-06-13 15:36:21
220.   Sushirabbit
So much funny stuff, 7,79,128,205...
(not to leave anyone out)

I don't know about nicknames, I'm with the gotta earn it/come natural crowd, although the bison, the bull and the beaver is good on so many levels.

I've taken to calling Kemp "Ta-Tonka" now.

2006-06-13 15:36:52
221.   natepurcell
Has anyone been following the nba draft and lakers offseason?
2006-06-13 15:37:04
222.   Bluebleeder87

it dependes what person says it too

2006-06-13 15:39:00
223.   Sushirabbit
Where do you guys get the most up to date line ups? I have several dodger's on a fantasy team... which is maybe not so good, when the lineup changes daily.
2006-06-13 15:40:01
224.   trainwreck
I have. I am hoping for James White or somehow Rajon Rondo falls to the Lakers.
2006-06-13 15:40:20
225.   sanchez101
Ultimatley, the advantage of Russeldinho is that its way more fun to say than any nickname ive heard for him yet. Thats enough for me. My second choice would be BlueTrane. Otherwise, lets just wait for a nickname to come more organically.
2006-06-13 15:41:05
226.   Marty
Rajon Rondo. Now that's alliterative.
2006-06-13 15:41:16
227.   natepurcell

have you heard the Odom to the bulls rumor? something like odom and mihm to the bulls for gordon and #2 pick or somthing.

and theres the mihm+26th pick to the hawks for #5 and we guarenteed sheldon williams at the 5th pick.

2006-06-13 15:41:22
228.   Jon Weisman
212 - That's not ironic. That's just borderline random.

That's like saying a great and ironic nickname for me would be John Barrymore, because he's a great actor, and I'm a little guy in the creative arts that you like (although you're probably liking me less today).

It evokes zero about the actual person being nicknamed. It's just a transparent homage to the person you're naming after.

2006-06-13 15:41:26
229.   sanchez101
221. yes, ForumBlueandGold has had some good discussion on the subject.
2006-06-13 15:41:46
230.   bhsportsguy
221 Not really much happening, it will get more interesting once the Finals are over.

223 The blog on usually lists the lineup 2-3 hours before gametime, on the road it could be even earlier like today.

2006-06-13 15:42:03
231.   trainwreck
Let's call Martin Sasquatch or Klondike Bar or something.
2006-06-13 15:43:00
232.   natepurcell
and at #2 we pick aldrige.
2006-06-13 15:43:16
233.   s choir
How did Bison arise?
2006-06-13 15:43:23
234.   sanchez101
227. I think the Odom to the bulls rumor doesnt have make much sense. If we get #5, were getting Brandon Roy, which would be great.
2006-06-13 15:43:23
235.   trainwreck
I cannot see either of those happening, but I do know the Lakers want to move up to get Brandon Roy if they can.
2006-06-13 15:43:33
236.   Xeifrank
Penny & Lowe, then pray for snow! Sele is pitching tonight, and it doesn't look like it's going to snow this evening in San Diego. I guess DT readers are going to have to pray a little harder. vr, Xei
2006-06-13 15:44:47
237.   natepurcell
Someone sell me on Roy please.
2006-06-13 15:45:23
238.   trainwreck
That would be an interesting lineup to say the least.

PG Gordon
SG Kobe
SF Who knows
PF Aldridge
C Brown

2006-06-13 15:45:57
239.   sanchez101
233. some atlanta broadcaster combared Kemp to a buffalo, and we knew Bob couldnt handle a erroneous term, so people called him Buffalo.
2006-06-13 15:47:11
240.   trainwreck
I think Roy is a solid player, but will not be anything superb. Lakers need a PG and they want a big guard who can defend and shoot, which Roy can do.

Tyrus Thomas has been shooting NBA 3's at his workouts...

He will be a monster in time.

2006-06-13 15:48:52
241.   Humma Kavula
239 If I understand correctly, "buffalo" is not so much erroneous as it is unspecific. If you believe wikipedia, the American Bison is a buffalo. It's just that three other species of bovine are also buffalo. Buffaloes? My ability to pluralize has failed me.
2006-06-13 15:48:54
242.   thinkblue0
very nice to see Kent's name back on the lineup card....too bad it has to come at Gagne's expense.
2006-06-13 15:48:54
243.   trainwreck
Lakers should look into getting Villanueva and the number 1 pick.
2006-06-13 15:49:02
244.   sanchez101
237. He's the most NBA ready player in the draft, he's a perimiter player who can play the 2 or 3, and even point in the triangle. The Lakers at least one more perimiter player, preferably to play SF so Odom can play PF. I like Roy because he has no weakness, he can play with and without the ball, he shot over 40% from behind the arc, he can defend well and he can distribute.

My offseason for the Lakers would include trading up for Roy and signing Marcus Banks to play PG.

2006-06-13 15:50:13
245.   bhsportsguy
Just looking over some notes and I know it probably seems like more but the Dodgers record when leading after 8 innings is 31-2 and after 7 innings is 27-3, now that isn't "Game Over" stats but that goes to show you that all the concern about who closes the game sometimes goes overboard.
2006-06-13 15:50:40
246.   natepurcell
what pieces do the lakers use to trade up for Roy?
2006-06-13 15:50:58
247.   trainwreck
Banks should already be a Laker, lousy Kupchak (stupid Payton deal).
2006-06-13 15:51:13
248.   thinkblue0

how in the heck would they pull that one off?

2006-06-13 15:52:15
249.   Bob Timmermann
The American bison started being called "buffalo" because we got soft. We got lazy. We couldn't keep our ungulates straight.

I blame the naming of "bison" "buffalo" a turning point in the demise of American culture.

That, and, the name of the network exec who greenlighted "My Mother, The Car."

2006-06-13 15:52:17
250.   trainwreck
For the number 1 and Villanueva...

I have no problem giving them Odom and Bynum.

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2006-06-13 15:52:21
251.   sanchez101
Brandon Roy might be equivilent to Evan Longoria, a safe pick in a weak draft.
2006-06-13 15:52:52
252.   Jon Weisman
245 - True, although some games the Dodgers didn't get to a lead in the eighth or ninth because they had to use theoretically weaker pitchers earlier in the game.
2006-06-13 15:53:12
253.   trainwreck
Toronto is willing to deal Villanueva just because they are probably going to end up with too many PFs.
2006-06-13 15:54:01
254.   sanchez101
246. Mihm and either a future #1 or this years 26th, something like that.
2006-06-13 15:54:27
255.   natepurcell
Brandon Roy might be equivilent to Evan Longoria, a safe pick in a weak draft.

ohhh okay, that makes sense :)

Ive seen roy play a lot, he always kills my wildcats.

2006-06-13 15:55:41
256.   trainwreck
The real question is whether Farmar stays or goes.
2006-06-13 15:55:50
257.   D4P
I'd like to see the following lineup (but am not holding my breath):

Aybar 3B
Drew CF
Nomar 1B
Kemp RF
Kent 2B (assuming he's healthy and can hit)
Ethier LF
Martin C
Furcal SS

2006-06-13 15:56:22
258.   Xeifrank
254. Is that enough for the #6 overall pick?
vr, Xei
2006-06-13 15:57:59
259.   Vishal
[228] it's not quite THAT random. it's more like saying you were like the will shakespeare of bloggers, only with a catchy nickname to boot. it's a hyperbolic analogy not meant to be taken literally.

so what if they're different sports.

dioner "pudgito" navarro is also a transparent homage.

2006-06-13 15:58:45
260.   trainwreck
There are rumors Hawks have committed to Shelden Williams, which is utter insanity.
2006-06-13 16:00:50
261.   Marty
I just loaded a pretty nice add-on for both Firefox and IE called Browster. It lets you preview a web link by just mousing over it. That way you don't have to click on it and then hit the back button if you don't like where you've gone.

If anyone is interested:

2006-06-13 16:01:39
262.   sanchez101
257. why is Drew in CF and Kemp in RF?

255. I came up with this list for the draft, with help from Bryan Smith:

Evan Longoria : Brandon Roy
Drew Stubbs : Tyrus Thomas
Matt Antonelli : JJ Redick
Andrew Miller : Andrea Bargnani
Daniel Bard : Rudy Gay
Jim Negrych : Gerry McNamara
Brandon Morrow: LaMarcus Aldridge

2006-06-13 16:03:25
263.   sanchez101
260. well, at least it's less insane that their previous interest in Rudy Gay.
2006-06-13 16:04:02
264.   Vishal
[262] do you think gerry mac is gonna get drafted?
2006-06-13 16:04:08
265.   D4P
why is Drew in CF and Kemp in RF?

A concession to DJ, who has long expressed his preference for CF. Less wear and tear on the knees is a good thing. Plus, doesn't Kemp have a great arm? Might as well put him in RF.

2006-06-13 16:04:36
266.   Xeifrank
256. Farmar is gone. He has moved all the way up to #11 at
Afflalo will stay... he's overrated imvho.
vr, Xei
2006-06-13 16:05:42
267.   bhsportsguy
257 I still think that it is the right thing to do by placing the kids lower in the lineup when you have Nomar, Drew and Kent. The only reason Kemp was moving in those spots was the injury to Kent and off days for Drew and Nomar.

And I still think 3 rookies is just about the limit this team should use on a daily basis. The only constant should Martin and the other ones should play based on matchups and resting other players.

2006-06-13 16:06:33
268.   sanchez101
264. ive heard his name in connection with the Lakers, but who knows
2006-06-13 16:06:44
269.   trainwreck
At least that follows a pattern of insanity.

I am not sure. He was luke warm at the Orlando pre-draft camp and it made him drop a bit. Rumors if he does not get a commit in the middle of first round he will go back to school. Afflalo has to comeback unless he wants to go undrafted.

2006-06-13 16:07:10
270.   Jon Weisman
259 - We're at the point of discussing this to death, but "Russeldinho" is very much not at all like calling me the Will Shakespeare of bloggers. That's my point.

Besides being an homage to Pudge, calling Navarro "Little Pudge" tells me something about Navarro. Calling Martin "whatever the translation is" tells me nothing about Martin.

It's not about me taking things to literally. I know that Matt Kemp isn't literally a bison and that Joe DiMaggio isn't literally a clipper. It's merely about the nickname being the least bit relevant to the player.

2006-06-13 16:08:20
271.   trainwreck
I think Gmac gets signed after the draft.

I would love to know why Aldridge is Brandon Morrow haha.

2006-06-13 16:11:10
272.   ToyCannon
For the 1st time in years the Clippers don't have a lottery pick or even a pick in the 1st round so my interest in the draft has been nil. Not to be mean but my dream is for Garnett to suffer a season ending injury and for the Twolves to be the worse team in the NBA thus giving the Clips the number one pick in the draft at some other teams expense curtesy of Marko Jaric and the raping that took place in the Sam Cassel deal. For such a bad GM Baylor has made two of the most lopsided trades in the NBA over the past 5 years even if that pick only ends being a simple lottery pick.
2006-06-13 16:12:29
273.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open.
2006-06-13 16:13:00
274.   trainwreck
Bargnani- Nowitzki
Aldridge- Bosh
Thomas- A motivated Stromile Swift
Roy- Ben Gordon
Gay- Tim Thomas
Morrison- A lesser Paul Pierce
Shelden Williams- Briant Grant (when he had knees)
2006-06-13 16:13:38
275.   sanchez101
272. The Clipps would end up with Greg Oden, if the pick isnt protected. Even I would become a Clippers fan in that scenario, and the Clippers would instantly become the best team in the NBA. (that sounds weirder than Russeldinho)
2006-06-13 16:13:59
276.   Vishal
[270] oh fine, have it yuor way.

but you're not taking "kuofax" away from me. you'll have to pry that one out of my cold, dead hands.

2006-06-13 16:15:56
277.   fawnkyj
This is why i consider Russeldinho the best name.
Correct me if im wrong, but there has been a great history of Brazil soccer players that are great scorers. Everytime one of those comes around that are truly great they are given a one name nickname of endearment. If Im not mistaken it is ONLY reserved for the scorers and these scorers are considered prodigies and once in a blue moon type of players that bring something different to the game.
There was Pele, Juninho, Ronaldo, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc.
The dodgers have had a great history of backstops, Piazza, Campy, Sciosia....Russelldinho. Its so perfect.
2006-06-13 16:17:10
278.   trainwreck
Clippers have to address what they are going to do with Maggette and the PG position. I have heard they want to deal Maggette and they have to decide whether to keep Cassel or let Livingston take over now.

Lakers need to get the first pick for the 2008 draft. OJ Mayo is perfect for the PG position in the triangle.

2006-06-13 16:18:38
279.   ToyCannon
Bison or Buffalo will not do for Kemp. No one thinks of anything good when one thinks of a buffalo other then wide eyed terror when running from being slaughtered.
2006-06-13 16:19:58
280.   ToyCannon
The pick was protected for this year but it is my understanding it is not protected next year.
2006-06-13 16:20:10
281.   Dane Bramage
New here. Love what you've done with the place! Coming in late to the conversation, I know, but I would suggest if JtD ever performs to his promise, then we dub him "Jor-El" Guzman...
2006-06-13 16:20:44
282.   rjc41276
275 - The pick that MIN owes the Clippers is top ten protected for the next 4 or 5 seasons.

As far as the Laker trade rumors mentioned in this thread, they're all laughable. Nobody wants to trade anything of significant value for either Chris Mihm or Lamar Odom. They could net mid level talent, but certainly not a star player or a top 5 draft pick.

2006-06-13 16:21:35
283.   Jon Weisman
276 - Kuofax, I like.
2006-06-13 16:25:31
284.   Blaine
The Bison is on espn 710 right now
2006-06-13 16:26:48
285.   Blu2
(270) Russ. Keep it simple. First there was Campy and Newk, then Sandy and Big D. Don Sutton was Little D. The essence of a nickname is that it is short and it points something out, like the rest of the name. Guess I went to school too long ago to like cutesy animal names or that poor excuse for a sport the United Nations forced on us.
2006-06-13 16:27:11
286.   Blu2
(270) Russ. Keep it simple. First there was Campy and Newk, then Sandy and Big D. Don Sutton was Little D. The essence of a nickname is that it is short and it points something out, like the rest of the name. Guess I went to school too long ago to like cutesy animal names or that poor excuse for a sport the United Nations and One Worlders forced on us.
2006-06-13 16:28:38
287.   Jon Weisman
285 - So "Poodles" is out?
2006-06-13 16:36:14
288.   Xeifrank
Problem with the Kuofax name is that the proper spelling is Guo not Kuo, and Guofax just doesn't have that same appeal. :)
vr, Xei
2006-06-13 16:39:00
289.   Goozmani
2006-06-13 16:43:51
290.   Jon Weisman
I get that there can be transliteration errors with Asian names, but presumably Kuo is the spelling he's comfortable going with.

If Kuo is not the proper spelling, is he too shy to tell anyone?

2006-06-13 16:52:10
291.   Andrew Shimmin
I can't believe you nutcases tried to give Russ Martin a soccer-allusion (which, unless I've missed my guess, is what DL meant, instead of alliterative) nickname. And this beaver business cannot stand, either. Jon, have you thought about instituting a system of fines, for this sort of thing?
2006-06-13 17:04:31
292.   trainwreck
We could name him Snake or Spike, after character's from Canada's greatest export, Degrassi Junior High.
2006-06-13 17:16:24
293.   capdodger
270 - You want relevance? The ending "-inho" is used to indicate "little" or "younger". Russeldinho means younger Russel. Since he's Russ Martin, Jr, it's perfectly relevant.

Who's beaver though?

2006-06-13 17:33:07
294.   ToyCannon
I hate it when someone wakes me up from a good dream.

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