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Meet the Press
2006-06-14 16:48
by Jon Weisman

Although I know better than most to take postgame quotes with a healthy amount of skepticism, it pleases me to hear people say the right thing or offer some semblance of introspection or honesty. Honestly, I think I really do get a warm feeling inside. Like puddin'.

Dodger pitcher Aaron Sele, for example, could have shirked responsibility for Tuesday's loss, in which he was victimized by two Rafael Furcal errors and some America's Funniest Center Field Videos submitted by Kenny Lofton. Instead, as Tony Jackson of the Daily News reports, Sele took the brunt.

(Dodger manager Grady) Little called the errors "the difference in the game." Sele disagreed, at least outwardly.

"That happens," said Sele, who gave up five runs (one earned) and walked a season-high five batters over four innings. "A starting pitcher has to keep the game close, and I wasn't able to do that. (Errors) are part of the game. I just have to make some better pitches."

I'm never going to be Sele's biggest fan, but he won me over some with those comments. Contrast them with the words of Scott Erickson last year.

Commenters have pointed out this Ericksonerpt in Steve Henson's Times article today:

Erickson gave up 10 hits and left after 4 2/3 innings with the Dodgers trailing, 7-3, and pointed a finger at the defense. Two pitches before Sanders hit a home run in the fourth, he lifted a foul popup near the stands that fell behind third baseman Oscar Robles — playing in his first game after having his contract purchased from the Mexican League.

"With a lineup like theirs, it's tough to give extra outs," Erickson said. "I seriously felt I threw much better than the results."

Two years ago, Odalis Perez, a considerably better-performing pitcher, nearly got run out of town on a rail for making the obvious point that the Dodger offense wasn't hitting. Lovable Paul LoDuca was leading the metaphorical lynch mob at the time.

Up to the moment where the foul ball fell between Robles, Cesar Izturis and Ricky Ledee - catchable, but after a long run for each - Erickson had faced 23 batters and allowed four singles, two doubles, two home runs and a walk while striking out none. Opponent's OPS: 1.118. Dodger errors: 0.

Prideth goeth before the falleth.

Separately, in Henson's notebook in today's Times, Little expressed nicely tempered satisfaction for the fine relief work Takashi Saito has put in this season.

"How many bullets he's got left in his arm, we're not sure," Little said of Saito. "But we like what we see."

It was a nice balance of appreciation and realism.

Joel Guzman, I fear, is going to get a negative reputation. He reportedly pouted and didn't run out a ball in Las Vegas when the Dodgers called up Matt Kemp ahead of him, and Tuesday night, Ken Gurnick of desrcibed Guzman as "sour" after Guzman was demoted to Las Vegas.

"I have nothing to say," Guzman told Gurnick.

The expectation for any player meeting the press, if he can't be truly engaging, is to go into Crash Davis mode and say all the right things. While it's possible that Guzman is a pouter in the worst way, as the Las Vegas incident would suggest, it is fair for Guzman to feel sincere disappointment that he hasn't had the kind of year that Kemp has had.

Guzman's reason for being sour could ultimately be harmless. Nobody likes a demotion, and just because you can't muster immediate equanimity doesn't make you a bad person. The guy is only 21, and being sour when he doesn't find success might not indicate anything more than his passion. Let's get to know him a little better before we judge.

As for the bete noir of 2006, Perez offered a similarly bitter no comment in reaction to his demotion to the bullpen Tuesday (though Gurnick called Perez stunned). Perez has become this year's pinata in more ways than one, and the widely circulated story about how he canceled his charitable ticket giveaway program because he wasn't getting enough appreciation indicates how self-inflicted some of his wounds are.

Yet for some reason, Perez hasn't gotten to me the way Eric Karros and Jim Tracy did when their performances declined and their comments to the press showed they were in complete denial about it. In part, this is because Karros and Tracy had so many defenders that it bothered me that they could be so easily forgiven, while Perez - dating back to his conflict with LoDuca and continuing with the grief he took for not wanting to hurt the team or himself by pitching with a finger injury - has never seemed to have many people in his corner.

In part, it's because I can't get the feeling out of my head that Perez's mother's illness is affecting him. Not that this entitles him to be a jerk, but I can understand how he might have difficulty mustering his best behavior.

I don't really like being in the position of defending a pitcher with a 7-plus ERA and dubious social skills, but I guess I'm not convinced that the unraveling we're witnessing this season is permanent. I feel someone needs to speak up for that possibility, and because few others will, I will. I can take the beating if (when) it turns out I was wrong.

* * *

Tonight's Game

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2006-06-14 17:00:51
1.   Xeifrank
Carry over from the other thread, why lead off Lofton, drop Furcal to #8 and bat Aybar 2nd? We aren't still worried about hurting feelings under this new regime are we?
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 17:01:50
2.   thinkblue0
very nice post, Jon. It's going to be really interesting to see what the Dodgers not only do with Perez, but the pitching as a whole. Does Perez stay or go? Does he regain any form? How good will Bills be? What does Saito have left in him? What's up with Gagne? Who will we trade for?

Even with all the question marks one thing is for sure: this is going to be a heck of a ride.

2006-06-14 17:03:45
3.   Marty
I seem to recall Mondesi also pouting and getting a bad rep when he was in the minors. The cure for that is to make them not care about your rep by smashing the ball. Hopefully JtD will pull it together.
2006-06-14 17:06:59
4.   scareduck
I guess a question, then, re OP, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything: was his mother ill last year, too?
2006-06-14 17:07:12
5.   Xeifrank
I have no problem with a player pouting after a demotion, I just don't like to hear about them turning the obstacle in the road into a negative (ie - not hustling). If anything it should build a hunger to prove those in management wrong by performing at a high level. JTD really has very little to complain about at this point, he hasn't overly impressed at AAA and Kemp outplayed him at the major league level in his short stint. Joel's time will come. Hopefully, in a Dodger uniform. vr, Xei
2006-06-14 17:08:33
6.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Compare Guzman's reaction to that of James Loney. IIRC, Loney said something along the lines of, "Now that I know what it takes to succeed up here, you can be sure I'll be working that much harder in Vegas." And, note what Loney has done since returning to Triple-A. How Guzman plays after his demotion, it'll be quite telling.
2006-06-14 17:10:18
7.   bhsportsguy
I think Joel is a young 21, has been playing pro ball since 16-17, no college. Now I know he grew up in better surroundings than most in the DR but he still needs to go down to Vegas and do what Aybar and Loney did this year.
2006-06-14 17:11:07
8.   Kayaker7
Why is Guzman called JTD? I missed this one.
2006-06-14 17:11:24
9.   Xeifrank
Perhaps someone should buy a calendar for OP and remind him that this is an even numbered year! vr, Xei
2006-06-14 17:11:45
10.   bigcpa
Plus consider that Guzman had done very little in May down in Vegas to justify a promotion anyway. He was called up in an emergency, and if he hit 2-3 HR up here he still would've been sent down.
2006-06-14 17:13:35
11.   Xeifrank
8. Because Joel The Battleship and Joel the Submarine got voted down. :)
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 17:13:55
12.   Bluebleeder87
Great read as always Jon
2006-06-14 17:15:55
13.   Humma Kavula
Someone who knows French better than me will correct me when this is wrong, but... I think you have to take that e off noire. Unless he's Odalisa.
2006-06-14 17:16:35
14.   dkminnick
(8) And I missed why Ramon Martinez is "Lucille".
2006-06-14 17:18:17
15.   Humma Kavula
I missed why Martin is Russelldinho.
2006-06-14 17:18:21
16.   Jacob L
Its FAQ day.

By the way, in case no one has noticed, Kevin Youkilis really gets on base a lot.

2006-06-14 17:19:00
17.   Greg Brock
Ramon Martinez is the second one. Like Liza Minelli was Lucille II on Arrested Development.
2006-06-14 17:19:03
18.   Bluebleeder87

I missed both of them as well? I always have a puzzled face when I read JTD & Luccile

2006-06-14 17:19:48
19.   bhsportsguy
9 I call him Joel but some like Joel the Destroyer (JtD)
2006-06-14 17:20:50
20.   Bluebleeder87

it all makes sense now, thanks

2006-06-14 17:20:56
21.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
he hasn't overly impressed at AAA
Really, JtD hasn't overly impressed anywhere. Yes, he's very young for his league(s), but shouldn't he have posted eye-popping numbers somewhere?
Because I'm at work and the Interweb is glacial here, I can't look Guzman up on Baseball Cube. But I recently did so, and I instruct everyone to compare his HR/AB rates to those of Kemp and LaRoche.
2006-06-14 17:23:31
22.   Jacob L
21 I'm not in any way expert on prospects, but my impression was that the fascination with JtD is (a) a tools thing and (b) the fact that he was putting up large numbers for a shortstop.
2006-06-14 17:25:00
23.   Jon Weisman
13 - I thought bete (I realize I'm missing the circumflex) was always feminine. I could be wrong.
2006-06-14 17:25:25
24.   natepurcell

he was 19/20 yrs old in AA and more then held his own. Age vs level of competition is very important.

2006-06-14 17:25:43
25.   regfairfield
22 Yeah, I lost a lot of interest in Guzman once he shifted to the outfield. He still hasn't put up a good season in the minors without the qualification "for his age".
2006-06-14 17:25:44
26.   Jon Weisman
I guess I am wrong. I'll fix it.
2006-06-14 17:26:40
27.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
22 - From what I gather and have seen, he's got one tool: parking-lot power.
And, now that he's not a shortstop, that removes a large chunk of his value.
2006-06-14 17:27:51
28.   Humma Kavula
23 26 ...a quick google makes me think that you are right -- that bete is feminine -- and that I don't know what I'm talking about.
2006-06-14 17:27:53
29.   Jon Weisman
4 - She was ill before, but I don't know the exact time period.
2006-06-14 17:28:16
30.   Jon Weisman
5, 6 - I agree.
2006-06-14 17:28:25
31.   natepurcell
dewitt homers in his first game back after taking a game or two off to refocus. That is great to see.
2006-06-14 17:29:24
32.   natepurcell

his 2004 season was pretty good regardless of age.

2006-06-14 17:29:37
33.   kngoworld
I might be mistaken, but Jon, did you once write something about how Guzman's value would drop with a position change?
2006-06-14 17:30:45
34.   gpellamjr
I don't know french at all, but I know noir is an adjective, and unless "bete" is some kind of substantive, it has to be a noun and, therefore, would have a permanent grammatical gender.
2006-06-14 17:32:29
35.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I did this a few days ago, but here's a quick rundown of my reasoning why JtD may not be as valuable as the system's other prospects:
1. He's a man without a position. I can easily see him turning into a lumbering 1B/LF type.
2. He doesn't know the strike zone.
3. He doesn't have speed.
4. There are more reports on his attitude than you'd like to hear.
2006-06-14 17:36:40
36.   scareduck
23 - ê does wonders for that, viz. bête noir.
2006-06-14 17:37:02
37.   Jon Weisman
33 - I might have, but it wasn't an original thought.

I would add, though, that this past October, it was far from a remote possibility that Oscar Robles would be the opening day shortstop in 2006, as a stopgap for Izturis' return. Had that happened, had the Dodgers not given up on Guzman as a shortstop, I think he'd be looked at much more positively today. He might even be the guy. And that's with or without the hindsight of knowing how many errors Furcal has made.

As a side note, has all the moving around the diamond affected him at the plate?

2006-06-14 17:38:10
38.   Jon Weisman
36 - Blogging with accents is a pain I'm not yet willing to endure.
2006-06-14 17:44:35
39.   bhsportsguy
36 I know that this is a Dodger site but did you catch Buddy Black on with Mason and Ireland today, he was very carefully dancing around the whole Jered Weaver issue and kept saying "we have not sent him down yet." He did say that Escobar going to bullpen was not in the plans.
2006-06-14 17:44:52
Another great post Jon. As a native of Los Angeles who just returned (literally two days ago) after a long time away, as well as someone starting "a career", I find this analysis on the PR of blame to be really thought-provoking.
2006-06-14 17:45:12
41.   gpellamjr
35 It wasn't my impression that he didn't know the strike zone. He swung at some bad pitches, but because I think he was fooled, in the way even good hitters get fooled. I think he's a big guy with a ton of potential for power. I've heard a lot about his "BP power", and I've heard this said about a lot of people. Is it a common scouting practice to look for potential in BP? Does power in BP tend to translate eventually into power in games, even if it isn't apparent right away?
2006-06-14 17:46:04
42.   bhsportsguy
Yo Nate, Dewitt is 1 for 2 with a homer and a walk today.
2006-06-14 17:47:05
43.   Greg Brock
41- I used to watch Billy Ashley hit balls nine miles out at Harbor College when he was a big time prospect...Does that answer your question about BP?
2006-06-14 17:49:04
44.   Greg Brock
41-Granted, he was just working out with Karros at a CC ballpark, but still. Practice bombs do not a prospect make.
2006-06-14 17:50:19
45.   natepurcell

i saw that. I hope it means he has gotten his stroke back and will go on a laroche like tear for the remainder of the year.

2006-06-14 17:50:21
46.   kngoworld
"Practice bombs do not a prospect make." - Yoda
2006-06-14 17:52:00
47.   natepurcell

its not like guzman hasnt hit homeruns in game time situations, in 2004 he hit 23 homeruns, in 2005 he hit 16.

2006-06-14 17:56:20
35 et all- Can we be more specific than attitude problem? If not we face the Milton Bradley discussion all over again? For Guzman, as other ballplayers have shown, being disappointed or having a temper is not necessarily a bad thing for a baseball player. Being lazy or stupid is. There is a distinction.

Just to state the obvious and not come off as naive. Bradley was an extreme example of how being angry can be negative for a baseball player. And, without calling out names, Im sure there have been stupid but successful baseball players.

2006-06-14 17:56:28
49.   Greg Brock
Yup, and Ashley hit 24, 26, and 37 HR's. I wasn't comparing Guzman to Ashley. 41 asked if BP translated to MLB success, or some corrolation thereof, and I simply brought the guy up. Sheesh.
2006-06-14 18:04:33
50.   Jon Weisman
Washington's in an 8-8 tie in the fifth inning, and no commentary from Sam DC? Maybe he's at the game ... or I guess he's being a dad.
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2006-06-14 18:06:13
51.   sanchez101
today's starting lineup

Furcal, SS
Lofton, CF
Nomar, 1B
Drew, RF
Kent, 2B
Ethier, LF
Aybar, 3B
Martin, C
Penny, P

2006-06-14 18:07:45
52.   thinkblue0
I really don't get why Kemp isn't playing
2006-06-14 18:08:51
53.   Greg Brock
Lofton is being rewarded for his outstanding performance yesterday.
2006-06-14 18:12:24
54.   sanchez101
Can we go one day without complaining about Lofton? Seriously, its just kinda old. What's so wrong with playing a guy with a .375 OBP at the top of the lineup?
2006-06-14 18:14:18
55.   Greg Brock
Just a joke Mr. Sanchez, just a joke.
2006-06-14 18:14:24
56.   Bluebleeder87

same here I wanted to see how he'd counter the adjusment's the league (Padres) made on 'um

2006-06-14 18:15:16
57.   kngoworld
54 - Maybe because the Dodgers are benching a player with a .408 OBP and slugging .795
2006-06-14 18:19:01
58.   regfairfield
57 They're also benching another player with a .405 on base, but no one is complaining.

I like what Kemp's doing, but really, it's 44 at bats.

2006-06-14 18:20:09
59.   kngoworld
58 - I understand its only 44 at bats, but that number wont increase sitting on the bench.
2006-06-14 18:21:44
60.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
48 - Guzman got benched for loafing, during a pout, not too long ago.
2006-06-14 18:22:50
61.   Jon Weisman
Although I'm glad Billingsley has arrived at the ballpark, I can't see any reason that he was activated today and that the Dodgers should play a man down.
2006-06-14 18:24:26
62.   Bluebleeder87

don't forget he's only 21 years old, once he learns to hit the ball the other way look out.

2006-06-14 18:24:29
63.   kngoworld
61 - You're just never satisfied. (wink)
2006-06-14 18:24:36
64.   sanchez101
Im as big a kemp fan as your going to find, and have been for two years, and Im happy with his playing time. Lofton is playing well, and doesnt deserve constant scorn by dodger fans.
2006-06-14 18:25:33
65.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Why all the grumbling about JtD? He's had good numbers for his age, and the scouts love him. I didn't see his comments after his demotion as that big a deal, and we haven't heard a peep from him complaining about all the positions he's had to play.


2006-06-14 18:26:06
66.   willhite
61 - Probably wanted him in the dugout so he could absorb some knowledge. Can he do that if he's not officially on the team yet?
2006-06-14 18:27:36
67.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 64

Exactly. Lofton's been used very well by Grady so far, and the steals are of value. He has a high enough percentage where the SBs are worth it.


2006-06-14 18:28:35
68.   kngoworld
67 - Are they worth the defensive liability?
2006-06-14 18:28:46
69.   sanchez101
61. maybe they'd rather him not have to travel the night before he starts?
2006-06-14 18:30:47
70.   Greg Brock
64-I don't think anybody really feels this way about Lofton. One couldn't ask for more from his old self. We're just in love with the kids is all. God Bless Kenny Lofton.
2006-06-14 18:31:30
71.   sanchez101
68. I wouldnt call Lofton a liability, his rate1 is 95, below average but not a liability. More importantly, his numbers are second best on the team to Jose Cruz Jr.
2006-06-14 18:34:53
72.   Jon Weisman
69 - I'm not saying don't have him in the clubhouse tonight, just don't activate him.
2006-06-14 18:35:22
73.   kngoworld
61 - They obviously called him up so he could do the pre-game interview on KCAL!
2006-06-14 18:37:45
74.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Following 71, aside from this year, Kenny's had an above average Rate2 for EVERY season since 2002, including an 108 last year. So his arm stinks--so what?--that holds true for plenty of CFs.

Re: 64

In this crowd, I actually think Kenny's been tarred with the brush of being a veteran speed guy brought in by Coletti to light a "fire" under Drew. All that is nonsense, of course (although the speed is actually useful IMO), but it's obscured his real value as a player.

I do think Kemp in general should play every day, but I've yet to be persuaded Ethier is really ready to be an every-day big leaguer.


2006-06-14 18:38:10
75.   Bluebleeder87
Bills was just on the Dodger pre-game show.
2006-06-14 18:38:30
76.   scareduck
38 - it also screws up your searches.
2006-06-14 18:40:16
77.   natepurcell
interesting that Guzman isnt in the starting lineup for Vegas tonight.
2006-06-14 18:42:15
78.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't fault JtD at all for not talking to the press after the demotion. I think not talking is always a legitimate choice. And, while JtD may have been sour, I'm not going to just take the word of the spurned reporter.
2006-06-14 18:46:40
79.   sanchez101
75. did he say anything interesting?
2006-06-14 18:51:30
80.   Greg Brock
I'm just glad to be here, hope I can help the ballclub. I'm just gonna take it one game at a time, and Good Lord willing, things will work out.
2006-06-14 18:51:57
81.   D4P
I'm not going to just take the word of the spurned reporter.

I'm not just gonna take it either: I'm gonna run with it.

2006-06-14 18:56:38
82.   Uncle Miltie
77- hello Carl Crawford/Miguel Cabrera/Matt Williams/JT Snow?
2006-06-14 18:57:04
83.   bhsportsguy
77 Not sure how this reflects on Orenduff's condition but Spike Lundberg is going to pitch tomorrow for Las Vegas per the 51s pregame show.
2006-06-14 18:57:20
84.   kngoworld
82 - your craaaazy!
2006-06-14 18:59:11
85.   Bluebleeder87
nah, he was kind of nervous (inderstandably) he was talking about his dads cancer & how it's made him a better person, Eric Karros asked him what kind of pitcher he was & he responded by saying he was a power pitcher (quiet confidence is good to see in a youngster)
2006-06-14 19:02:11
86.   Linkmeister
Curse you, Prime Ticket! Curse you with a thousand kilocycles of Enron-priced energy! Why are you not showing this game to me?
2006-06-14 19:02:25
87.   natepurcell

it would be nice if his elbow would stop hurting. we could use him on the big league club.

2006-06-14 19:02:47
88.   Greg S
Remember the last series in SD? We won the 1st game, won the 2nd game and had a 5 run lead in the 9th of the 3rd game. Then we got a Baez/Carter surprise and we have't beat them since. That inning really, really hurt. Hope I'm not thinking about it in September.
2006-06-14 19:02:55
89.   natepurcell

its on KCAL9.

2006-06-14 19:05:09
90.   bhsportsguy
72 First he gets to scout the hitters for tomorrow watching another rh power pitcher go against them, Second, he gets to hang with the team and the guys especially Russ Martin. Third, he was going to pitch tomorrow for Vegas, so to get all the moves working, he probably needed to come up today.
2006-06-14 19:06:37
91.   bhsportsguy
87 No comment on his elbow although Lundberg was pitching better than Orenduff and he fits a AAA profile (older pitcher, not a prospect).
2006-06-14 19:06:42
92.   Bluebleeder87
Come on Furcal prove us wrong.
2006-06-14 19:07:31
93.   Linkmeister
89 Er, until KCAL expands its signal to the outskirts of Honolulu (think Gates Pass v. downtown Tucson, Nate), that don't help much. But thanks. ;)
2006-06-14 19:08:29
94.   D4P
Yes, ladies and gentlemen: we still have the .668 OPS guy leading off.
2006-06-14 19:10:33
95.   JoeyP
I think Ken Gurnick is quickly attaining Bill Plaschke levels of incompetance and bias-ness.

For a guy that is only supposed to report the news, he really does give an opinion. Its often unwarranted, an often baseless. The site (news, messageboard, player features) is really horrible.

There's more information and greater insight on personal weblogs than from the flagship site.

Anyone have any reasons for this?

2006-06-14 19:10:57
96.   bhsportsguy
94 Short of an injury, Grady will have Furcal lead off for the season, please send your comments to the site.
2006-06-14 19:12:16
97.   bhsportsguy
95 I agree and all I can say is that he works for MLB as far I know, Jon do you know different?
2006-06-14 19:15:48
98.   Bluebleeder87
will that mean something during the game? (Cameron getting hit)
2006-06-14 19:16:12
99.   JoeyP
"*1. He's a man without a position. I can easily see him turning into a lumbering 1B/LF type.
2. He doesn't know the strike zone.
3. He doesn't have speed.
4. There are more reports on his attitude than you'd like to hear.*"

Why does #3 matter? Are the Dodgers a football team?

As for #4, thats impossible for anyone to speculate on unless you know Guzman personally. I'm not really sure why his attitude matters. All that matters is his production. Odalis Perez has been the same guy his entire career. Its only when his production fell off that people had a problem with his attitude.

Mentioning speed and attitude..You'd think we were at an NFL combine.

Not professional baseball.

2006-06-14 19:16:55
100.   Bob Timmermann
Do the Padres always put the number of their starting pitcher on the mound?

Or am I missing something?

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2006-06-14 19:16:57
101.   D4P
Raise your hand if you predicted that Dave Roberts would be out-OPSing Brian Giles at this point in the season.
2006-06-14 19:17:31
102.   Greg S
95- Gurnick works for MLB. In fact, If you look on the Dodger website, he is listed under front office employees.
He is not an unbiased reporter and I think he would tell you so. He was when he was a beat reporter for the Daily News, not now.
2006-06-14 19:19:19
103.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think Gurnick worked for the Daily News? He wrote for the Her-Ex?

I would assume Jon would know better.

2006-06-14 19:21:20
104.   Bob Timmermann
Just another assist for Aybar.
2006-06-14 19:21:51
105.   Bluebleeder87


2006-06-14 19:23:48
106.   Bluebleeder87
so he's not biased then, please don't read wrong into my post
2006-06-14 19:25:06
107.   regfairfield
101 Raise your hand if you thought Roberts would become an acceptable corner outfielder the second he left L.A.
2006-06-14 19:25:29
108.   Greg S
103- You may be right, it may have been the Herald. And then whatever that short lived Baseball weekly was. And then he switched sides and worked for Dennis Gilbert's Beverly Hills Sports Council. When that didn't work out, he went back to being a beat guy. Sort of.
2006-06-14 19:25:44
109.   D4P
I caught part of the Yankee game tonight on their network. They were showing the upper portion of Yankee Stadium, above the outfield. The announcer used the word "facade"...

PS: I'll be taking in tomorrow's game between the Yanks and Tribe. I'll try to post some photos of the various facades, friezes, friscias, etc.

2006-06-14 19:25:55
110.   Uncle Miltie
Good at bat by Kent. He actually got screwed on the first pitch.

This umpire has been awful so far. I have a feeling that Aybar is going to get screwed out of a walk again.

2006-06-14 19:27:02
111.   Bluebleeder87
2006-06-14 19:27:05
112.   natepurcell
Aybar flexes his power.
2006-06-14 19:27:07
113.   sanchez101
Wilber to the deepest part of the park!
2006-06-14 19:27:42
114.   Uncle Miltie
That was a bomb by Wilber!

So was that a lucky hit?

2006-06-14 19:27:48
115.   Greg S
105- He's NOT unbiased. He IS biased. He works for MLB and the Dodgers.
2006-06-14 19:28:36
116.   Bluebleeder87
This ump....(see Martin's strike out)
2006-06-14 19:28:37
117.   natepurcell
I agree, that ball was absolutely crushed.

this ump sucks, he favors soft tossing righties... why couldnt seo start this game!

2006-06-14 19:28:38
118.   D4P
Dear Grittle:

Please move Aybar up in the lineup, preferably to the #1 or #2 spot.


2006-06-14 19:29:35
119.   Bob Timmermann

Whom do you trust more? Michael Kay or me?

On the one hand, you have Michael Kay, who used to be a reporter and has turned into the Yankees shill?

Or me, a model of objectivity, honesty, and font of knowledge about all things? Especially matters involving: former Arizona pitchers, the World Cup, and reasons for hating Frank Robinson.

If you had a young son to raise, who would you use as a model?

Ignore the fact that Michael Kay likely earns 10 times as much as I do.

2006-06-14 19:29:36
120.   Bluebleeder87

was he born here? or is he just a Dodger fan?

2006-06-14 19:29:36
121.   bhsportsguy
Back in Vegas, Izzy walked and scored on a ground out, Loney singled in another run, Joel is there and available.

Andy LaRoche walked and no he is not playing for Atlanta.

Navarro, struck out, runners on 1st and 2nd, again not many comments on the note that his destination is set, he will be optioned to Vegas once he comes off the DL.

Nate, Sergio Garcia got sent from Vegas to Jacksonville.

Robles struck out too.

2006-06-14 19:30:10
122.   Bluebleeder87
I'm B just a Dodger fan (born in Guadalajara, Mexico)
2006-06-14 19:30:18
123.   Uncle Miltie
Give some credit to Kent for getting on base too. Ethier is showing why he probably shouldn't be a starting corner outfielder. He doesn't really work the count. Kemp should be playing every day, especially against some minor league pitcher.
2006-06-14 19:30:57
124.   bhsportsguy
119 I trust Bob, though I must put a disclaimer that I won a prize on The Griddle.
2006-06-14 19:32:08
125.   natepurcell
Ethier is showing why he probably shouldn't be a starting corner outfielder.

lol. yes one AB shows why he should be doing 4th outfielder duty.

2006-06-14 19:32:35
126.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Why does #3 matter? Are the Dodgers a football team?
Bill James determined players with speed age better than players without.
Also, speed is one of the scouts' proverbail "five tools." Do you completely dismiss speed when judging players?

As for #4, thats impossible for anyone to speculate on unless you know Guzman personally.
Which is why I wrote there are reports, as in, printed accounts I've read. Where on earth did you get the notion I was speculating?

2006-06-14 19:33:16
127.   Bob Timmermann
Two old friends with homers in Phoenix. Finley with a solo shot. Green with a 2-run homer.

DBacks lead 3-1.

2006-06-14 19:36:16
128.   Uncle Miltie
3.52 pitches per at bat is nothing special. Ethier looked like Kenny Lofton there, not that it mattered since it was a HR.

Grabowski principal here. A home run off Penny in Petco too.

2006-06-14 19:37:05
129.   JoeyP
He works for MLB and the Dodgers.

I've always wonderd about this:
Are they one and the same?

2006-06-14 19:38:12
130.   Uncle Miltie
Penny walking and giving up home runs to mediocre hitters?
2006-06-14 19:39:13
131.   D4P
Ignore the fact that Michael Kay likely earns 10 times as much as I do.

The fact that he likely makes 10 times as much doesn't necessarily mean that he earns 10 times as much. Plus, I'm suspicious of wealth.

I'm throwing my hat in your ring, Bob...

2006-06-14 19:40:10
132.   Greg S
129- Boy is that a question with a long answer. A baseball team is both a franchise of a bigger company (like your local McDonald's) and at the same time it's it's own company. It both shares revenue with the league and at the same time competes with it. Nothing else exactly like a sports team.
2006-06-14 19:40:25
133.   Uncle Miltie
Does anyone here live in San Diego? Just wanted to see if they still worship Khalil Greene like a god, only call him by his first name, and consider him one of the elite players in baseball.
2006-06-14 19:40:50
134.   bhsportsguy
That was the first home run given up by Penny in 2 months (approx. 60 innings)
2006-06-14 19:41:02
135.   Sam DC
Well, the Nationals express has officially derailed, at just the wrong time for the Dodgers. Now lost three straight to Colo, including 14-8 tonight, with Livan on the moung tomorrow trying to stave off the embarassment of a four-game sweep.

What a thoughtful post tonight, Jon.

2006-06-14 19:41:07
136.   Marty
I believe Gurnick worked at the HerEx, and then the Long Beach Press-Telegram before this gig.
2006-06-14 19:42:34
137.   Bob Timmermann
Gurnick works for, which is owned by a larger concerned MLBAM (MLB Advanced Media). While MLB gets a cut of the profits, they are separate entities.

The beat writers are supposedly free to write whatever they want, but they still have to send their articles to editors and that's where the differences are. has had its share of stories about players getting suspended for steroids and they've covered the Jason Grimsley story, although you can argue to what depth they do.

I think any biases in Gurnick's coverage are Gurnick's and not that of Dodger management.

2006-06-14 19:43:02
138.   Marty
And if I'm right about the P-T, then that would explain why someone else thought he was in the Daily news since they have the same owner and often share stories.
2006-06-14 19:45:10
139.   JoeyP
Which is why I wrote there are reports, as in, printed accounts I've read

I personally dont care about what any personal writer thinks of an athlete's character. One writer could write he was "stunned" about being demoted to Vegas (of course he provides no quotes). And another could write a story about Guzman's charity work in the DR. Again, both stories have nothing to do with the actual game of baseball. Its just the writer's opinion.

Speed has been considered a 'tool', but its useless without everythine else. I think speed is an accessory, not a necessity. And while Guzman may be "slow", its not like he's unathletic. He's 6'6 and been playing SS most of his career. He is athletic.

2006-06-14 19:45:56
140.   Bluebleeder87
have I mentioned how much I dislike the Padres errrrr!!!!!!!!
2006-06-14 19:46:05
141.   Greg S
137- Really Bob? You think that although he works for that he has no bias? Who employs those editors?The Dodger website covers some bad news but I wouldn't trust them to be an unbiased source. And I certainly don't think that Mousey is a big Dodger fan.
2006-06-14 19:47:10
142.   Gen3Blue
Have only game day tonight. We didn't hold that lead long, eh.
However I have D-backs vs. Giants on DTV and it is rather pleasant listening to D-backs incredably obnoxious homers leading the Giants, although it is now 4-2.
2006-06-14 19:48:23
143.   Uncle Miltie
Khalil Greene reminds me of the really bad Alex Gonzalez (the one from Toronto). He's probably not as talented either.
2006-06-14 19:48:24
144.   Bob Timmermann
I think Gurnick has biases. But they're his own biases. I don't think he has a party line he has to follow.

There are other stories on the websites that are more PR-oriented puff pieces. Those are different.

2006-06-14 19:48:50
145.   Andrew Shimmin
It seems premature to start worrying over how quickly JtD will decline due to age, doesn't it?
2006-06-14 19:49:04
146.   Bob Timmermann
The really bad Alex Gonzalez (last seen in Philadelphia) retired.
2006-06-14 19:49:31
147.   JoeyP
Penny with 59 pitches through 2IP.
2006-06-14 19:49:32
148.   Bluebleeder87
I'm out peepz hope the Dodgers woop these pesky Padres! [please note I had to leave about an hour ago]
2006-06-14 19:49:37
149.   D4P
A mere 59 pitches for Penny through 2 innings tonight.
2006-06-14 19:49:47
150.   Sam DC
50 I was, in fact, at the Kirov Ballet at the Kennedy Center with my lovely wife and no kids in sight. Immediate reactions:

1. Hard not to be impressed by the dedication of the guy in $80 Orchestra seats wearing his FIFA Germany 2006 T-Shirt.

2. Turned out to be a weird modern ballet (anyone ever hear of Choreographer William Forsythe?) We had no clue when we got the tickets - "Kirov" sounded very traditional to me. One thing I really liked was that long portions of one number were done with no music and the house lights on full -- the only noise was the dancer's feet banging against the floor and his breathing (and audience coughs and shuffles). A lot of time it seemed sort of concocted. (A screen with the big word "yes" on it in the middle of the stage for no apparent reason, for ex.)

3. Mostly, when I watch dancing, I sit there thinking, "what am I supposed to be thinking?" I constantly feel like I don't get it. I would have loved after one of these numbers to have everyone in the audience write down three words describing how it made them feel, and see what people said.

4. I expected the dancers to be supersexy, but not so much. The men were, I suppose. The women, over made up and scarily bony.

That is all; you may all return to your regularly scheduled business.

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2006-06-14 19:50:15
151.   Bluebleeder87
I keep on leaving but I don't leave, has that ever happen to you? (must see Dodger baseball)
2006-06-14 19:51:15
152.   Bluebleeder87
one more thing before I leave

give Kemp an AB

2006-06-14 19:51:19
153.   Greg S
144 With all due respect, I find that shocking. To me, if you are covering your employer you are, by definition, biased.
2006-06-14 19:51:30
154.   JoeyP
141. I'll agree with you that Gurnick is showing some bias, but I'm not sure whether its bc of pressure from his editors. I just have been used to beat writers just reporting news, and not injecting their own opinions into stories. Most newspapers have beat writers, and columnists. It seems like Gurnick tries to do both.
2006-06-14 19:52:13
155.   Gen3Blue
If baseball had anything like "time of possesion" the last few games must be records with the D's in the field for hours on end. Penny is near 60 pitches in the 2nd.

At least the D-backs look worse if possible--now 4-4.

2006-06-14 19:53:05
156.   Andrew Shimmin
150- Number 3 made me laugh.
2006-06-14 19:53:48
157.   bhsportsguy
Another report from the minors, Jacksonville won 1-0, winning run scored on a wild pitch. The Casey and Mark show continued, the Sun's set-up and closer with their sub 1.00 (Casey is sub .30) ERA.
2006-06-14 19:55:07
158.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
139 - You know Guzman was yanked from a Triple-A game on May 28 for failing to run out a ground ball, right?
2006-06-14 19:55:08
159.   JoeyP
Penny must have an inordinate amount of foul balls. He's thrown near 60 pitches, but still only given up 1bb.
2006-06-14 19:56:55
160.   Uncle Miltie
If Kenny Lofton was playing right field that might have been an inside the park home run
2006-06-14 19:58:17
161.   JoeyP
158. Yes I know. That doesnt bother me any more than watching guys strike out, and then taking off their batting gloves, lying their bat down at home plate, and waiting for the ballboys to pick up their stuff.

Its an annoyance, but I'm not going to write someone off and say they have bad character.

Anyways back to the game. Furcal hit like .330 in May but is hitting .195 in June.

2006-06-14 19:58:44
162.   Greg S
Scully thinks Lofton has been playing exceptional baseball. What the heck does that guy know?
2006-06-14 20:00:08
163.   Bob Timmermann
Scully has his own biases.
2006-06-14 20:00:11
164.   Gen3Blue
People have remarked that the D's want to get a look at Bills to see if they need to make a trade before the deadline. Looks to me like they better hope Bills does well AND make a trade.
2006-06-14 20:01:11
165.   Andrew Shimmin
158- In the history of the game, there's never been a player who didn't, at least once, fail to run out a routine grounder. I'm not saying it's a good thing, or that it was wrong for him to get pulled, but to turn that in to an indication of bad character is a major stretch. Using his refusal to talk to Gurnick as corroboration of the charge is even more flimsy.

There's a wide range of acceptable behavior for baseball players. Throwing bottles at drunken jerks in the bleachers is bad news. Chucking your bat at the ump is maybe even a worse sign. But not running out a grounder, once, or telling Gurnick to get lost, isn't.

2006-06-14 20:01:57
166.   JoeyP
8 pitch inning. That helps.
2006-06-14 20:02:09
167.   Uncle Miltie
Even though he doesn't have a great arm anymore, Drew is still a very good defender. Especially after watching Shawn Green for 5 years.
2006-06-14 20:03:41
168.   bhsportsguy
Nate, since you and I are probably the only ones who listen, what do you think of their radio guy, I like him, he's informative, good sense of humor and not a homer.
2006-06-14 20:03:46
169.   Greg S
163- No doubt that he does. He is employed by the Dodgers. However, after listening to him for decades, do you trust his assesments?
2006-06-14 20:04:19
170.   bhsportsguy
168 Doh!! I'm talking about the Vegas 51s announcer, sorry.
2006-06-14 20:04:51
171.   natepurcell
i like him alot. one of the better ones.
2006-06-14 20:05:27
172.   bhsportsguy
169 I don't know he's only seen 50+ years of baseball, he may have his bias but I think he knows baseball better than anyone on this board.
2006-06-14 20:07:09
173.   Greg S
172- This is my point.
2006-06-14 20:08:13
174.   Uncle Miltie
Take some freaking pitches Andre!
2006-06-14 20:08:17
175.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Bonds just made the D-Backs pay for not walking him with a man on second and first base open.

161, 165 - We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. However, JoeyP, I'm floored you equate loafing on a ball in play with not returning equipment to its proper place following a strikeout.

2006-06-14 20:08:25
176.   Bob Timmermann
I switched to the hockey game at an opportune time. Edmonton just scored in OT to force a Game 6 back in Alberta.
2006-06-14 20:08:36
177.   bhsportsguy
How deep was that fly ball that Kent hit?
2006-06-14 20:08:40
178.   Gen3Blue
167 Was it really 5 years? I must admit my following the D's was at a low ebb then. He was supposed to be the second coming. What happened with him?
2006-06-14 20:08:58
179.   Sam DC
So, for those of you not keeping score, my Dodger Thoughts day began with Evel Knievel and ended (or near ended) with the Kirov Ballet.

Is this a great country or what?

2006-06-14 20:10:24
180.   regfairfield
Vinny thinks Pedro Feliz is a great player. The man can be wrong.
2006-06-14 20:14:12
181.   Gen3Blue
Looks like just the 2 innings Penny needed.
Now if we could get out of our own wheel ruts.
2006-06-14 20:14:44
182.   JoeyP
Its sort of like the players on both teams have decided to quicken the pace of this game by swinging early in the count. The last two innings were a blur.
2006-06-14 20:15:27
183.   sanchez101
i hate this ballpark
2006-06-14 20:15:29
184.   Uncle Miltie
Oh! I thought he had another one!
2006-06-14 20:16:13
185.   MartinBillingsley31
Can anyone enlighten me on why lofton is starting over kemp?
over 400 point ops difference.
2006-06-14 20:18:18
186.   sanchez101
185. because there are 4 outfielders that are worthy of starting on a regular basis, so every day someone is going to get left out. yesterday was ethier's turn, today is kemp's.
2006-06-14 20:18:42
187.   bhsportsguy
While its true that getting ahead in the count is a good thing, for some reason, maybe because a batter a guesses right on location and pitch, if you hit the first pitch, historically you hit for a very high percentage, the best hitting count is 3-1, where again I think you are looking for a certain location but swinging at the first pitch results in more success than getting behind.
2006-06-14 20:20:41
188.   natepurcell
I hate shortstops.
2006-06-14 20:20:57
189.   Uncle Miltie
Lofton has the intangibles. He lights a fire under the other players in the lineup. Expect him to hit a game winning home run.

Dave Stewart is Matt Kemp's agent. I knew that he was Billingsley's agent, but this is great news about Kemp. Stewart, unlike Boras, allows his clients to sign extensions before they hit free agency. That means future hall of famer, Matt Kemp, may play his entire career in a Dodgers uniform.

2006-06-14 20:20:59
190.   bhsportsguy
185 As I said earlier since Kemp's arrival, counting tonite's game. Lofton, Drew and Kemp have each started 11 times, Ethier 8 times and Cruz 4 times. Overall not bad for a guy just up from AA.
2006-06-14 20:21:57
191.   JoeyP
When Furcal's in a rut, its like having Izzy leadoff. I'm sure Furcal will turn it around, but I wouldnt mind having Aybar/Martin lead off 1/2 for a week. Putting Furcal at #8.
2006-06-14 20:22:56
192.   Andrew Shimmin
175- I'm happy to agree to disagree, but I'd like to be perfectly clear what we're disagreeing about. Do you think there have been players who ran out absolutely every groundball?

Anyway, untill there are a few more plot points on his character graph, I'm inclined to dismiss any dot connecting. Maybe the guy is a mopey jerk, but given as closely as he's been watched the last two seasons, these two cases don't do it for me. It seems just as likely that he's a great person as a clubhouse cancer. And, since there are half a billion possiblities between those two extremes, I'm not that worried about it.

2006-06-14 20:23:34
193.   natepurcell

basically any agent besides Boras will let their clients sign contracts before they hit free agency.

2006-06-14 20:27:47
194.   bhsportsguy
My question is will the Dodgers do what Cleveland did years ago and to some degree what Billy Beane does now, sign guys to extensions up to their FA year so you avoid arbitration but you don't get the relative inexpensive 2nd and 3rd year?
2006-06-14 20:28:01
195.   Bob Timmermann
I hate shortstops.

Yes, but without them, there would be lots of hits to left field.

2006-06-14 20:28:48
196.   bhsportsguy
Penny has thrown 27 pitches in the last 3 innings. Come on guys, pick up some runs.
2006-06-14 20:29:15
197.   natepurcell

I think they will with the ones that warrant them. Its too early to tell who warrants a long term deal to buyout their arb years right now.

2006-06-14 20:29:42
198.   Greg S
Stupid Lofton. Doing things like that.
2006-06-14 20:30:09
199.   Uncle Miltie
That was scrappy!!!

193- Eric Chavez signed for below market value to stay in Oakland. Stewart is also his agent.

2006-06-14 20:31:39
200.   natepurcell

yep good point.

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2006-06-14 20:31:39
201.   Greg S
194- I think the answer is yes but not for another year or more. No reason to tie them up until you at least start to approach arbitration years.
2006-06-14 20:32:39
202.   JoeyP
I loath bunting on the first pitch of an at bat. Well, I loathe bunting in general.
2006-06-14 20:32:46
203.   regfairfield
194 It depends on what they do over the next couple of offseasons. Right now the Dodgers have very little money tied up past 2007, so it would probably for the best to wrap them up. They might not be able to afford it in 2006 however.
2006-06-14 20:32:56
204.   Greg S
Wow. Given the situation, those are the worse back to back ABs we've seen Nomar and Drew have all year.
2006-06-14 20:32:59
205.   Bob Timmermann
An Olney!
An Olney!
An Olney!
My kingdom for an Olney!
2006-06-14 20:34:19
206.   JoeyP
Whats with all the 1st ball hacking tonite? I know San Diego is a blast in the summertime, but these guys act as if the clubs are gonna close before 11pm.
2006-06-14 20:35:08
207.   Disabled List
Runner in scoring position, nobody out, and the heart of the order coming up. The run does not score.

Did anyone else have a flashback to 2005 and 2003, or was it just me?

2006-06-14 20:35:16
208.   natepurcell

maybe its the scouting report on the pitcher.

2006-06-14 20:36:29
209.   JoeyP
Darn scouts........
2006-06-14 20:37:11
210.   Bob Timmermann
Now is the summer of our discontent
Made dismal winter by this son of Thomps
2006-06-14 20:37:49
211.   Andrew Shimmin
JtD would've gotten that. If he were still a SS. And hadn't been sent down.
2006-06-14 20:38:31
212.   Uncle Miltie
That was a real cheapie by Piazza
2006-06-14 20:38:53
213.   Bob Timmermann
And he wasn't sulking...
2006-06-14 20:39:53
214.   Andrew Shimmin
213- Trouble maker.
2006-06-14 20:40:36
215.   JoeyP
Thanks Adrian.
2006-06-14 20:41:12
216.   Greg Brock
Hey Bob, "Serbia, et al" was much better than Serbegro...Nicely done.
2006-06-14 20:44:30
217.   Bob Timmermann
Thanks, I saw it. It's still going to be Trinidad & Tobago however.

Tobago really made a good deal with the naming rights for that country. Sort of like Zanzibar getting recognition in Tanzania, which is a mixture of Tanganyika and Zanzibar.

2006-06-14 20:46:12
218.   Greg Brock
Oh, but it's okay to throw the poor Montenegrans(?) under the bus?
2006-06-14 20:46:38
219.   Bob Timmermann
Tanzania moved its captial 10 years ago!

Why wasn't I informed of this?

2006-06-14 20:47:30
220.   JoeyP
Good job by Penny. He was one pitch away from bases loaded/no outs but got out of it.
2006-06-14 20:47:47
221.   Bob Timmermann
I believe they are Montenegrins.

Not sure why they use that spelling.

2006-06-14 20:48:43
222.   Greg Brock
Because they're alway happy, of course :)
2006-06-14 20:49:20
223.   Uncle Miltie
I love Alex Gonzalez Jr.
2006-06-14 20:50:41
224.   JoeyP
Ethier apparently has given up that "oakland" thing. At least Grits is happy.
2006-06-14 20:52:33
225.   JoeyP
Aybar gets some of the strangest strike calls I've ever seen. Its like the plate is widened everytime he bats.
2006-06-14 20:54:15
226.   Gen3Blue
We are making this guy look like Sandy Koufax.
Speaking of Thompsons, who was that guy who came up from Vegas last year when the starters went down. Was his name Eric Thompson or am I confusing his name. What happened to him whatever his name was.
2006-06-14 20:54:34
227.   natepurcell

he hit the ball hard. all you can ask.

2006-06-14 20:55:21
228.   Uncle Miltie
Does Ethier think he's going to be benched for taking pitches? He's about as undisciplined as K Loft.
2006-06-14 20:56:24
229.   trainwreck
Broxton growing the facial hair out.
2006-06-14 20:57:07
230.   trainwreck
He wants to look like a closer.
2006-06-14 20:57:10
231.   alex 7
Derek Thompson, injured last year I believe.
2006-06-14 20:57:21
232.   natepurcell
the reason penny gets so many foul balls is because he only throws 2 pitches. I havent seen him throw his split finger in about 2 months.
2006-06-14 21:02:15
233.   natepurcell
i hate dave roberts. man up and swing. stop trying to slap it.
2006-06-14 21:03:47
234.   Greg Brock
Ten pitch at bat and an swunt. What a pest.
2006-06-14 21:04:17
235.   Gen3Blue
231 Thanks- haven't heard a peep about him.
2006-06-14 21:05:28
236.   Gen3Blue
Always liked Roberts.
2006-06-14 21:10:18
237.   underdog
230 Then he just needs the goggles* and he's all set.

*and the tweaked arm nerve

2006-06-14 21:11:58
238.   natepurcell
kemp saves!
2006-06-14 21:12:04
239.   sanchez101
holy smokes, i think this kid can play!
2006-06-14 21:12:22
240.   regfairfield
Why the heck do people throw Matt Kemp fastballs?
2006-06-14 21:13:04
241.   Gen3Blue
Un believable.
2006-06-14 21:13:30
242.   underdog
Does anyone else have a huge mancrush on Kemp right now?

And good question Reg, I continue to wonder why anyone is throwing him fastballs - he doesn't hit the offspeed stuff as well and he kills fastballs. Kills. That was smoked.

2006-06-14 21:13:51
243.   Bob Timmermann
Darn! Kemp homered while I was cleaning out the catbox. Now I will I have to go do that every time the Dodgers need a big hit.

Why couldn't they rally when I was doing something like scratching my head?

2006-06-14 21:14:01
244.   Disabled List
240 Because they know he has a Jobu doll to take care of the curveballs.
2006-06-14 21:14:03
245.   trainwreck
Matt Kemp is a baseball god.
2006-06-14 21:14:34
246.   Uncle Miltie
Kemp is a monster!!!

Why are Lofton/Ethier playing over him? Kemp needs to play every single game.

2006-06-14 21:14:44
247.   sanchez101
so now Kemp has hit as many HR's in the majors as he did in the AA, in ~150 less ab's
2006-06-14 21:15:28
248.   regfairfield
244 Dang, stole my joke.
2006-06-14 21:15:29
249.   underdog
Bob, you could kill two birds (or turds) with one stone and come clean my catbox and create another homerun. Just an idea.
2006-06-14 21:15:40
250.   JoeyP
What more does Kemp have to do to start everyday?
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2006-06-14 21:16:05
251.   regfairfield
247 Okay, that concerns me.
2006-06-14 21:16:28
252.   natepurcell
so now Kemp has hit as many HR's in the majors as he did in the AA, in ~150 less ab's

the majors dont have CF fences 420 away from the plate.

2006-06-14 21:16:57
253.   natepurcell

why does that concern you?

2006-06-14 21:17:29
254.   JoeyP
Kemp with 35ABs in June. 7HRs 1.42 OPS. If he keeps this up he might be Player of the Month. Just play him everyday Grits! Let Lofton/Ethier platoon.
2006-06-14 21:18:25
255.   sanchez101
252. it wouldntve mattered on that last one. maybe Billingsley told him about LaRoche's bomb last night, and Kemp had to do him one better
2006-06-14 21:18:44
256.   regfairfield
253 Because that would tell me a collapse in inevitable. (Not that anyone playing at Kemp's rate would be due for a collapse) I would like to know if he's better than Pedro Cerrano.
2006-06-14 21:18:52
257.   Uncle Miltie
If Grits knows how to make a double switch, Lofton will be out of the game and Kemp will be in center next inning.
2006-06-14 21:19:43
258.   Blu2
What is the Dodger record for pinch homers in a season? Major League record?
2006-06-14 21:20:48
259.   regfairfield
258 I believe Dave Hansen has both. I think it's seven.
2006-06-14 21:21:06
260.   Uncle Miltie
Grits does know what he's doing. Not only does Kemp stay in CF, but Kuo is pitching instead of Baez. He truly is the anti-Tracy!
2006-06-14 21:21:09
261.   sanchez101
251. its not as if he was struggling in jacksonville
2006-06-14 21:21:43
262.   JoeyP
Awesome no more Lofton. Grits actually made a good mood. I had a bad feeling he'd double switch out Drew again, but maybe he's learning.
2006-06-14 21:21:49
263.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Did anyone see that Kemp AB? I only saw it on gameday, and I was talking to my mother no less. I think she nearly caught on to something being up when I got distracted, seeing "run scoring play" come up with no one on base.

Regarding why pitchers still throw him fastballs; I think it's at least partly because Kent has shown an ability to lay off breaking balls. I remember the Pedro AB--Pedro tried to get him to chase curveballs away, and Kemp refused to take the bait. Pedro found himself behind in the count and tried to bust him inside with a fb. It wasn't a bad pitch, but Kemp's so quick he turned on it and hit it out. He's like the anti-Beltre (excluding Beltre's MVP-caliber year).


2006-06-14 21:22:15
264.   Xeifrank
Great start for Guo (BB to Giles).
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:22:23
265.   MartinBillingsley31
Make that kemp is opsing 500 points higher than lofton.
But he's benched for lofton, go figure.
2006-06-14 21:23:03
266.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Come on Kuo--throw a strike!


2006-06-14 21:24:02
267.   underdog
If Guo is gonna play miss the strike zone again I hope they have him on a short leash. Sigh.
2006-06-14 21:24:03
268.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodger record for pinch homers in a seaon is also the major league record, 7 by Dave Hansen in 2000. Craig Wilson also had 7 in 2001.

The record for a team in one year is 14 by the Giants and DBacks, both in 2001.

2006-06-14 21:24:19
269.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
In three years, I'd like to see two Taiwanese players on the squad--Kuo as lefty setup man and Hu as SS. But Kuo needs to get his control in order.


2006-06-14 21:25:07
270.   Greg Brock
Kemp-These things are America to Me.
2006-06-14 21:25:10
271.   sanchez101
263. thats true, the first pitch was a slider off the plate that Kemp took, next pitch was a fastball down the middle-maybe a little away, that he hit about 425 ft.

265. Kemp was not "benched" for Lofton, he had the day off because we have the luxury of 4 starting outfielders. Kemp is forcing the issue, though.

2006-06-14 21:25:23
272.   natepurcell
96mph heat in the strike zone, with his delivery is nasty.
2006-06-14 21:25:39
273.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Kuo recovers with a K. Nice.

Anyone able to tell me the velocity on his FB?


2006-06-14 21:25:39
274.   underdog
Yay, we reverse-jinxed him!
2006-06-14 21:26:14
275.   Xeifrank
269. Does DT have a nickname for Hu yet? The possibilites are endless.
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:26:56
276.   natepurcell

96 consistently.

2006-06-14 21:26:58
277.   sanchez101
273. 94-96
2006-06-14 21:27:24
278.   natepurcell
just touched 97.
2006-06-14 21:27:46
279.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
It'd be nice if Kuo could throw a first pitch strike.

Re: 272 I just watched all of the first Spiderman movie on DVD--you must have had spider sense or something on that post, Nate.


2006-06-14 21:28:01
280.   Xeifrank
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:28:15
281.   natepurcell
kuo blows it. darnit!
2006-06-14 21:28:16
282.   Steve
Not starting Kemp is Crazy (with a capital C). You have to be rowing a boat without oars not to have Kemp in the lineup.
2006-06-14 21:29:01
283.   underdog
2006-06-14 21:29:37
284.   JoeyP
I never thought I'd say this.
But start Izturis.
Bench Furcal.

This is getting ridiculous.

2006-06-14 21:29:39
285.   Blu2
How many games do we have left? Assume Kemp plays every day, averages 3 abs per game, at his present rate, how many homeruns would he hit? We know it won't happen but wouldn't that be interesting?
2006-06-14 21:29:54
286.   Uncle Miltie
Bad play by Ethier, terrible throw by Fookie. You can't let James Loney Sr. beat you.

This was the hardest I've seen Kuo throw in the majors too. He was consistently hitting 96.

Looks like another loss for the Dodgers.

2006-06-14 21:30:12
287.   Xeifrank
282. Tracy (oops) I mean Grittle is just trying to put Kemp in the best possible situation to succeed. If Lofton starts wearing goggles, then it's time to get worried. vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:31:33
288.   JoeyP
Kemp was not "benched" for Lofton, he had the day off because we have the luxury of 4 starting outfielders.

I'd argue that there are 3 OF's far and away better than the rest. Drew, Kemp versus anyone. And Cruz vs LHP.

That leaves Ethier/Lofton to platoon vs RHP.

2006-06-14 21:32:13
289.   regfairfield
285 Assuming he gets 400 at bats, at his current rate he'd hit 71.
2006-06-14 21:32:57
290.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh

Give Little credit for showing confidence in the rookie and not going to Baez. Unfortunately, Kuo didn't come through.

Maybe Kemp will hit another dinger.


2006-06-14 21:33:09
291.   Xeifrank
288. Kemp only hits home runs. He's way too one dimensional. :)
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:33:26
292.   JoeyP
Baez Inherited runners stranded/scored has to be amongst the worst in the majors.
2006-06-14 21:33:32
293.   Steve
I mean Lofton, Cruz, Ethier, who cares? Drew and Kemp start every game. One of the other three gets the rest as determined by a hearty game of rock/paper/scissors (a method that is at least less arbitrary than Jim Tracy's lineup methods), and games when Drew doesn't play (and there are certainly enough of those). This is not a debatable proposition.
2006-06-14 21:34:14
294.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 290

Meaning at the start of the inning.


2006-06-14 21:34:26
295.   Xeifrank
293. StartMattKemp.Com??
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:35:20
296.   Blu2
Maybe staying on the wagon is what's wrong with Furcal. Maybe a good drunk would snap him out of it...
2006-06-14 21:35:51
297.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 293


That being said, I don't think Little's conservatism has been totally indefensible up to this point. Kemp's been unreal so far, and one can never expect this kind of start.

Nevertheless, he's forced the issue, so I hope Grittle realizes that now. He's not like Ethier--a promising rookie that should be eased in. Bison should be out there EVERY day no matter what.


2006-06-14 21:36:32
298.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Hoffman's old. Two runs isn't insurmountable.


2006-06-14 21:36:51
299.   MartinBillingsley31
Assume Kemp plays every day, averages 3 abs per game, at his present rate, how many homeruns would he hit?

52 hr's, thats extremely good considering 65 games have been played already

2006-06-14 21:37:05
300.   Uncle Miltie
Just another inherited run allowed for Baez.

I never thought I'd say this.
But start Izturis.
Bench Furcal.
Agree and Izturis is actually walking in AAA. Furcal has to play somewhere, but it can't be SS. Maybe move Aybar to LF and Furcal to 3B? I can't see Furcal moving to outfield and they definitely won't bench him.

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2006-06-14 21:37:23
301.   regfairfield
292 Baseball Prospectus has a stat called inherited runs pervented (basically inherited runs against replacement).

Baez is still at a sub replacement level -1, but that's not even in the bottom 30 in all of baseball.

2006-06-14 21:38:09
302.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Kent-Ethier-Aybar-Martin. Not bad for the next four batters. If we get as far as Baez's slot, go to Olmedo.


2006-06-14 21:39:06
303.   Steve
Baez is still at a sub replacement level -1, but that's not even in the bottom 30 in all of baseball.

A sterling recommendation.

2006-06-14 21:39:39
304.   Icaros

I think Kemp is already in that spot.

2006-06-14 21:39:47
305.   Gen3Blue
The whole West separated by 2 games. And we have no pitching. Darn.
2006-06-14 21:39:58
306.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Furcal's a better player than he's shown so far, and better than what we can reasonably expect with Izzy. I'd stick with him, for now. I just don't think Izzy will ever be anything more than a 280 batter who doesn't walk and has no power.


2006-06-14 21:40:35
307.   regfairfield
303 I like to look at the bright side of things. Right now saying Baez isn't the worst reliever in baseball is about as good as it gets.
2006-06-14 21:40:52
308.   Jon Weisman
300 -

Walking in AA
Nobody walks in AA

Walkin' walkin' walkin' walkin' walkin'
Nobody's walkin' walkin' walkin' walkin' walkin'

2006-06-14 21:40:55
309.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 304

You're right--oops. Only Tracy would do something as stupid as sit Kemp for Olmedo.


2006-06-14 21:41:44
310.   Greg S
Izturis need to play short and Furcal to 3rd. I know he doesn't want to but the words "I don't care what you want" come to mind.
Problem is that that means there is no place for Aybar. We can all agree that there are plenty of guys deserving of playing time in the outfiled already. So Aybar gets packaged in a trade for pitching.
2006-06-14 21:41:48
311.   JoeyP
300. The team doesnt lose that much with Izturis bc I think Grits would be smart enough to bat him 8th. If Furcal isnt hitting (which he isnt right now), he's really hurting the club cuz Grits keeps him in that leadoff spot.

Lets start Izzy and see if he can drum up some trade value.

2006-06-14 21:42:25
312.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Aybar's earned the starting 3B job. IMO, that means Izzy should go.


2006-06-14 21:43:07
313.   JoeyP
310. Izzy and Furcal both do not deserve to start over Aybar at this point. You cant carry both of them in the lineup.

There's no way I'd bench Aybar for either one of them.

2006-06-14 21:43:11
315.   regfairfield
Wait, did we just pinch hit for the guy who almost hit two home runs today.
2006-06-14 21:43:13
316.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Olmedo for Martin. I can live with that. I guess you'd want the power threat here.


2006-06-14 21:43:44
317.   Uncle Miltie
So Ethier gets to hit but Aybar doesn't? That makes a ton of sense....
2006-06-14 21:44:01
318.   Greg Brock
306-Yeah, except that Izzy is a pearl in the field, and Furcal is basically Edward Scissorhands with a uniform. I agree with GregS, package Aybar # Navarro for a three starter, or add another for a legit #2.
2006-06-14 21:44:07
319.   Xeifrank
Kemp on deck?
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:44:18
320.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Ughhh... I'll shut up now. Probably jinxed it. Especially with the accidental lineup error. Meant to say Aybar of course.


2006-06-14 21:44:43
321.   Steve
Why would Furcal be any better at third? Then we would have two banjo hitters on the left side of the infield with only the marginal improvement that will come from a better-fielding shortstop to show for it. If Izturis is going to play shortstop, just bench Furcal. At this point, Furcal is a 13 million Izturis who can't catch, so I don't really care which one plays, but not both.
2006-06-14 21:44:43
322.   alex 7
think I would have rather seen Aybar and Saenz than Saenz and Martinez.
2006-06-14 21:45:36
323.   Steve
Saenz for Aybar? Not Grittle's best night.
2006-06-14 21:46:05
324.   Vaudeville Villain
I can't believe we pinch hit for a guy who hit a home run today.


2006-06-14 21:46:30
325.   Xeifrank
I don't mind Furcal in the starting lineup, especially if Izzy is your best alternative. I just don't like him hitting in the leadoff spot. Bat him 8th until he starts hitting.
vr, Xei
2006-06-14 21:46:51
326.   Blu2
All manager's are stupid catagory: Why have Daenz, a great double play candidate, hit for Aybar? Smart manager would have had him hit for Furcal, if we get that far...
2006-06-14 21:47:30
327.   Greg S
321- Honestly, I agree with you. I wish that with Izturis coming back, we didn't have Furcal. I wish we never signed him. He's not terrible, he's just no better an all around player than Izturis and we already have Izturis... for 1/3 the price. But he's here and he's not going to sit. sigh.
2006-06-14 21:49:02
328.   JoeyP
321. Exactly. At this point you disregard salary and play the best guy.

Aybar at 3rd.
Izzy at SS.
Furcal to bench.

I dont want to consider a lineup of Izzy, Pitcher, Furcal, Lofton. Way too much banjo.

2006-06-14 21:49:46
329.   Blu2
326 Make that Saenz...
2006-06-14 21:51:40
330.   JoeyP
I wasnt paying attention, but did Grits just pinch hit for Saenz for Aybar? Is Hoffman ambidextrous? I could almost be certain Hoffman throws right handed, and Saenz vs RHP isnt the best scenario.
Luckily, Kemp's HR is enough sun to take away the dark clouds of that decision.
2006-06-14 21:51:58
331.   Greg S
Sorry to ask a dumb question but I can't figure it out. How do you link to a past post?
2006-06-14 21:52:38
332.   Steve
1) I never thought Fur-kel could play bad enough to make me sanguine at the thought of Izturis coming back, but there you go.

2) I would really enjoy watching Kuo pitch from ahead in a count. He should try it sometime.

3) I will not get sucked into a debate about Kenny Lofton. Kenny Lofton is irrelevant. Matt Kemp should play every day until he is 39. There is no set of circumstances under which this is not true. The rest of you can debate who should have the third outfield spot if such is your choosing.

2006-06-14 21:53:46
333.   JoeyP
Shift-8 "quote" Shift-8

Basically put enclose what you want to quote with stars.

2006-06-14 21:53:49
334.   natepurcell
grittle made two mistakes

1- bringing in baez for kuo. You need the strikeout in that situation, Kuo strikes batters out, baez doesnt.

2- PH for aybar with saenz. I can maybe understand it if Saenz has a good history against Hoffman but he is hitless against Hoffman.

everything else can be put on the offense for sucking against a crappy pitcher.

2006-06-14 21:54:12
335.   Uncle Miltie
With the Dodgers luck somebody is bound to get injured again. Too bad Nomar can't move to LF. Then we could move Kent to 1B, Furcal to 2B, Kemp to CF and Kenny to the bench. Will Boston take Furcal? At time, I thought he was a pretty good signing because he was coming off a very solid offensive and great defensive season. This year he's been pretty average offensively and his defense has stunk. If Izturis can produce like he did in 2004, we're better off with him playing SS and batting 8th. Aybar would be a much better leadoff hitter than Furcal anyways. You don't need to have great speed to be a good leadoff hitter. Even Jim Tracy recognized that Aybar had the skills that smart teams look for in a leadoff hitter.
2006-06-14 21:55:30
336.   Disabled List
328 Clubhouse politics will prevent that happening. But I think Furcal is the worst infielder on this team right now.
2006-06-14 21:55:48
337.   Uncle Miltie
Just another walk for Izturis!

He's becoming the Venezuelan God of Walks, stealing the title from Bobby Abreu.

2006-06-14 21:55:50
338.   Blu2
Do you think it will ever happen, a demented fan really shoots a "pitcer" like Baez for the good of the team? Not me, I'm a coward, but I do get so angry at managers constantly using incompetent players, players that even the most casual fans know are no good, that I sometimes avoid baseball altogether for months at a time.
2006-06-14 21:56:37
339.   JoeyP
I actually remember a couple of Braves fans posting that immediately after Furcal hits a homer, he goes into a slump, bc he starts trying to hit homers. I'm not sure if its true, but I do remember Furcal hitting that big HR against Glavine. He hasnt done much since. Hitting .190 in June.
2006-06-14 21:57:09
340.   Greg S
Basically put enclose what you want to quote with stars
So that's how you quote, thanks. But how do you link to the post as 336 does to 328? Sorry folks, didn't know where else to go to get the answer.
2006-06-14 21:58:12
341.   regfairfield
336 Aybar's 86 rate2 would beg to differ. Actually, the entire infield, with the exception of Kent, has been really lowsy.
2006-06-14 21:59:39
342.   JoeyP
340. I'm not sure how to underline. I've always just put the number with a period by it.
2006-06-14 21:59:48
343.   Greg S
339 I'm sure as can be that you're right. He hit 2 home runs that night against the Mets and he has been swinging from the heals since. Remember his long fly ball just foul tonight? Bad sign.
2006-06-14 22:01:29
344.   Blu2
340 There is a 'bracket' key (2 actually) immediately right of the 'L' key. Put the brackets before and after the posting you want to refer to.
2006-06-14 22:01:40
345.   Greg S
341- If that's true, those stats have been watching a 1st baseman other than Nomar.
2006-06-14 22:03:33
346.   Steve
This is how you underline
2006-06-14 22:05:59
347.   Greg S
346 Not helpful. 340 The semicolon or the colon? Neither seem to work.
2006-06-14 22:06:42
348.   Steve
Put underscores "_" around whatever you want to underline.
2006-06-14 22:07:17
349.   Steve
On the link you do brackets 348
2006-06-14 22:09:13
350.   Steve
The brackets are next to the "P" key on a qwerty keyboard.
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2006-06-14 22:09:27
351.   Greg S
like this or this 348
Got it!! Brackets just right of the "P" on my Powerbook.
Thanks guys!
2006-06-14 22:10:25
352.   regfairfield
347 Nomar: 96 rate2, not lowsy, but below average.
2006-06-14 22:11:47
353.   Greg S
Well, tomorrow will be a big day for the Dodgers and for DT. I've got to take my Dad out for Father Day since I'll be at the game in Oakland on Sunday. TIVO!
Have fun tomorrow. Hopefully Bills will be the next Kemp.
2006-06-14 22:12:00
354.   Andrew Shimmin
347- That's because the brackets are actually to the right of the P key. Link like this [X], where X is the number you're linking to.
2006-06-14 22:12:34
355.   Izzy
lol "Americas funniest Center Field Videos"
2006-06-14 22:13:58
356.   Greg S
352 I like stats but they are not the end all. Nomar is playing a strong 1st base. Any stat that says otherwise makes me doubt the stat, not the player.
2006-06-14 22:14:06
357.   Andrew Shimmin
And the refresh button is up next to the address bar, between the stop and forward buttons. On my browser, anyway. Sorry.
2006-06-14 22:14:19
358.   Steve
351 -- Anybody who would take that much grief for Kenny Lofton and keep coming back for more has to be a pretty good guy, and worth allowing into the secret DT club of linking, bolding, and underlining.
2006-06-14 22:16:08
359.   Greg S
358 Kenny and I both thank you.
2006-06-14 22:17:29
360.   Greg S
Anybody here in the Bay Area? outside chance I'll have an extra ticket for the game Sunday.
2006-06-14 22:24:26
361.   Greg S
Well, I tried.
2006-06-14 22:26:30
362.   Uncle Miltie
360- I wish I was back in the Bay Area right now. Some of my friends are still in college and I miss seeing A's games.
2006-06-14 23:20:43
363.   das411
337 - Someone must have watched those catchable fly balls clank off of Abreu's "Gold Glove" tonight!

357 - I call Firefox on you! And I think 346 just might be book-worthy..., I just realized I will be able to go to a ballgame Fri night in which COLE HAMELS (he has earned the underline) will pitch against Jamie Shields. But who to root for?? Or should I just prepare for a Haddix-ian display of endless scoreless innings, one after the other?

2006-06-15 08:52:54
364.   Dodger Tony
Here is a link to a story on the ESPN website by Keith Law regarding the unconditional release of Russ Ortiz from the D-Backs yesterday.

It should be mandatory reading for Ned Colletti and the rest of the Dodger brass regarding Odalis Perez.

2006-06-15 09:47:28
365.   Dodger Tony
I think I need to mention a few things about Furcal. Some are observations, others historical accuracies.

Number one: Furcal has difficulty hitting at Dodger Stadium. I think a big part of his struggles offensively have a lot to do with this issue. I'm not sure exactly why he has trouble hitting in LA but he does and that doesn't seem to be changing much.

Number two: (observation) He is a punch and Judy hitter who has consistently hit around .240 this year. I don't see him vaulting into the .280 and above category at anytime this year due to the problems hitting at home and his tendency to hit fly-balls at the top of the lineup. (How many times have we seen Furcal make out leading off only to see Lofton get the prototypical base hit in the 2 hole?). He should not be batting leadoff, Lofton should.

Number Three: He appears unable to steal bases at the present time.

Number Four: It's almost rhetorical to discuss his defense. We know the problems that he has by his 16 boots. But that doesn't also take into account his lack of range up the middle, his letting the ball play him, his playing back much too often, his footwork problems and his overthrowing. In general,his liability in the most critical position infield.
Granted it is a new stadium for him. These could all be adjustments if it weren't for...

Number Five: He is an alcoholic.
How many more reruns of Cops do we need to see in order to be reminded of this life destroying, soul crushing and family shattering illness that no man defeats without help? I think that Furcal needs to be drug tested immediately for substances. His background suggests that he needs constant monitoring and the Dodgers should demand it as part of the contract, otherwise they should be able to terminate it and get the insurance.

If you live by the sword you die by the sword. To trade Izturis right now would be madness.

2006-06-15 12:50:39
366.   Andrew Shimmin
365- Number one is just wrong. He's hitting: .288/.371/.424 at home this year.

Number two is wrong, too. Here are his month by month numbers

April- .198/.306/.219
May- .311/.366/.429
June- .191/.283/.319

That's the opposite of a consistent .240.

2006-06-15 14:11:00
367.   sakesake
nice play by aybar

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