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2006-06-22 17:17
by Jon Weisman

The notion that Adrian Beltre only performs well when he is motivated is absurd.

The idea that he wasn't motivated during the times in his career that he has slumped is absurd.

The idea that he can turn it on and suddenly excel at the theoretical moment he becomes motivated is absurd.

Beltre struggles to maintain his best level of performance, for whatever reason. He falls into bad habits. For all the theories about Tyler Houston, bone spurs, drugs, Dodger Stadium and ennui, we don't really know why this is.

It's more than plausible - it's realistic - that Beltre has moments of high focus and motivation when he can't hit a lick, and moments when without even thinking about it, the game comes easy like Sunday morning.

If you care to, show me how you know that Beltre didn't care about his performance in 2005 with Seattle. Because everyone with the Mariners that I know of says the guy was working his butt off.

Too many times, we assign pop psychology or knee-jerk explanations without merit. We should aspire to do better than that - whether or not we're motivated to.

* * *

Tonight's Game

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2006-06-22 17:36:18
1.   overkill94
Obviously we don't know the exact reasons for Beltre's inconsistencies because we don't even know him as a person. But honestly, my most probable explanation is his lack of focus. It's not just the way the stats support the claim (career year going into free agency, 2nd half surges to redeem awful first halves, even his recent success against the Dodgers), it's also just a feeling I get from watching him play. He just seemed to have a different look in his eye in 2004 - a little more determination along with focus. Is that such a terrible judgement?
2006-06-22 17:42:13
2.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I think Jon's general point, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is that really isn't enough evidence for the "motivation" explanation for Beltre's erratic performance.

Jon's of course right, but if we were as judicious as him with our evidence, we'd have a lot less to talk about, eh? =)

Anyhow, though, I do think blaming Beltre for not being focused enough ignores the fact that he could be TOO focused. That's the implication of the term "pressing," no, that a player can sometimes be trying too hard? It may actually be that he just needs to relax.

Regardless, it's clear that none of us really know. What is clear IMO is that Beltre's production is so consistently erratic that I thank the stars we didn't hold on to him.


2006-06-22 17:42:50
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - I don't think focus and motivation are the same thing. I think lack of focus can hamper him at times. I also think you can be motivated and still lose focus, or focus on the wrong things - rather easily, in fact.
2006-06-22 17:47:25
4.   Jon Weisman
2 - Yes, I think he presses and as I just said, sometimes forgets/misremembers what's important at the plate.

The problem I have with not being judicious about how we discuss it is that when it comes time for Beltre's story to be summed up, I'd hate for it to rest on ill-serving myth. I'm not trying to keep people from having fun, of course, but I don't see what's fun about dubious assertions.

Feel free to prove me wrong, of course.

2006-06-22 17:47:52
5.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
BTW, a larger point I'd like to make is that I think fans way too often make moral judgments about ballplayers. Hence the implication of some that Beltre is some kind of mercenary who only plays well if a big payday depends on it. That could be true, but I do think ballplayers, like everyone else, do deserve the benefit of the doubt. Beltre might just "naturally" be a player who has the sort of spotty track record he has. Not giving him an excessive contract is thus simply a recognition of his actual ability, measured in objective terms, as opposed to a judgement on his worth as a human being.

Of course, part of the enjoyment of baseball is we attach subjective, even ethical, factors to it. That's certainly partly true for me. I take a genuine glee in the defeat of the Giants. I have a real feeling of contempt for the smugness of the Yankee franchise. After all, we all probably spend too much time on baseball, when measured by any rational cost-benefit analysis.

How that goes with the first paragraph of my comment--I have absolutely no idea...


2006-06-22 17:47:55
6.   Bluebleeder87
all I know is that he's been playing like the '04 Beltre against us, & I don't like it!
2006-06-22 17:48:26
7.   dzzrtRatt
Hargrove's quotes in the story from the Seattle papers a couple weeks ago rang true for me, mainly b/c Hargrove knows the man.

Pop-psych is hard to avoid, but combining what I know about Beltre with what Hargrove said, I think Beltre has always been sort of the ingenue, the young guy who blew away more experienced players, and got approval from that. When he reached the major league level, where a lot of players were at his level, he think that to win approval, he has to be way better than the best. When, in fact, all Seattle's paying for is for him to be a little better than the best. Ergo, he's been pressing, nonstop, and we know that doesn't work.

I'll further speculate that returning to Dodger Stadium gave him a sense-memory of when the game was fun, like in 2004, and his neural pathways allowed the good vibes to flow again.

If this is true, Seattle might see a big turnaround and date it to this series. I have to admit I'm rooting for Adrian.

2006-06-22 17:54:47
8.   Steve
a larger point I'd like to make is that I think fans way too often make moral judgments about ballplayers

They take their cues from the media, which has a deal with the players they cover not to criticize their talent. This leads to the code words we are all familiar with. People then appear to take this dance seriously.

2006-06-22 17:55:58
9.   Bluebleeder87
It's gonna be interesting to watch Izzy play 3rd base for the frist time, although I do agree keeping Aybar would have been good, sending Kou down would have been o.k. for me.
2006-06-22 17:58:23
10.   Bluebleeder87
don't know if anybody cares but Roger Clemens is strugling 2-0 Twins & making alot of pitches.
2006-06-22 17:58:23
11.   thinkblue0

if furcal, lofton AND izzy all play we're in trouble.

2006-06-22 18:01:03
12.   Bluebleeder87
there all in the line up, Izzy's glove at 3rd don't bother me the throws maybe, but not the glove, I just hope Furcal starts hitting already.
2006-06-22 18:03:32
13.   thinkblue0
I hope this is just showcasing for a trade...because I can't, for the life of me, figure out why anyone is advocating having Izturis in the lineup.
2006-06-22 18:04:03
14.   Scanman33
People like to use terms like "They're pressing," or "They're not motivated" because it doesn't take any real knowledge of the intricacies of baseball to make that observation. It also doesn't take as much work to come to that conclusion. Plus, people like to throw this "explanation" out there because it makes them feel as if being a major league baseball player is just like their own job: We feel if we are unmotivated by our jobs, we don't work as well. Never mind the fact that hitting and catching a baseball is probably 100,000 times harder than what we do in our daily jobs.

This oversimplicification of analysis has been shoved down our throats by the ESPNs of the world, who realize their audience doesn't want an intricate explanation for things, but a canned 10 second notion from an ex-ballplayer who we can point at and say, "Hey, he reminds me of me!"

2006-06-22 18:05:39
15.   overkill94
1] For all the flak that the Furcal/Lofton/Izzy trio gets, is it that much different than having Aybar instead? Sure he had a little pop, but it's not like we're replacing a power hitter with a banjo-hitter. If Izzy can simply keep his OBP around .350 and play good defense, I don't see why he should take any heat.
2006-06-22 18:07:39
16.   overkill94
14 This isn't a totally unfounded notion though, his career stats seem to back it up. Sure it's not a correlation you can directly analyze, but it's at least something to think about.
2006-06-22 18:09:55
17.   EricNus
As a Dodger fan and a big Beltre fan living in Seattle, I can say that Mariner fans generally like Beltre the person. They think he is a great guy, a class act, and realize he is a hard worker. Most Seattle fans I have spoken to think he pushes way too hard and sucks because of it.

Watching most of his plate appearances, I think that is the best theory. When he relaxes and just hits, he does well. Thankfully he seems to be reaching that point.

2006-06-22 18:18:06
18.   ninjavshippo
I think Jon said it yesterday, but is the throw from 3rd really any less than the throw from the hole @ SS?
2006-06-22 18:20:07
19.   Scanman33
I think people don't want to believe that his 04 was an abberation...a perfect storm of his abilities coming together, so to speak. I'd say the big drop in his walk rate has a lot to do with his breakout season. Is he as bad as he has shown? Probably not, but to expect anything above .340/.450 is just pie in the sky thinking.

My totally unsubstantiated and unresearched feeling is that he either has an injury or he went off steroids. Beltre was never the type to hit no doubters, so either malady could hurt his bat speed and take 15-20 feet off of balls that went over the fence for him in 04.

2006-06-22 18:21:00
20.   Scanman33
19-I meant spike, not drop
2006-06-22 18:22:25
21.   dsfan

Not that Kuo's any great shakes, but dropping him to place Izzy would've weakened an already enfeebled pitching staff. They don't have much quality, so they're pretty much forced to go with extra quantity. Probably better to go with 12 pithers, because the starters check out so early night after night.
A position player was the best choice to free the spot for Izzy.

2006-06-22 18:22:34
22.   Bluebleeder87
Maybe I'm wrong but mentaly? I'm sure he'll settle down but that's an opstical at times no?
2006-06-22 18:23:06
23.   bigcpa
14 This morning on Dodger Recap or whatever A. Martinez was apologizing for Baez saying he's been jerked in and out of different "roles." As if relief pitching in general isn't a "role." Does Baez really stare down the hitter and think "I am pitching in the 7th inning. What now?" More garbage analysis- and I thought he was pretty good on Dodger Talk post-Porter.
2006-06-22 18:23:57
24.   Bluebleeder87
But Aybar is a such a great hitter though.
2006-06-22 18:24:23
25.   GoBears
This oversimplicification of analysis has been shoved down our throats by the ESPNs of the world, who realize their audience doesn't want an intricate explanation for things, but a canned 10 second notion from an ex-ballplayer who we can point at and say, "Hey, he reminds me of me!"

Fair enough, but do you remember what sports coverage was like before ESPN? Local junk and a few national hagiographers. ESPN has now been surpassed by the internet, but it was a quantum leap forward in sophisticated sports coverage 25 years ago.

As for Beltre, Amen to Jon's post. But I always liked the bone spurs theory. I remember coming up with it (probably at the same time as 1,000 other observers) early in that 2004 season. I saw him lunge, as usual, for a slider low and away, fall to the ground in pain, and then lay off that pitch thereafter. Lo and behold, good hitter's counts and better results followed. He'd forget after a while, lunge, crumple, and re-learn the lesson.

Of course, that might explain the start of his great season, but it can't explain why he'd keep forgetting the lesson, and eventually fail to re-learn in once his ankle was again healthy. That speaks to the power of ingrained bad habits, lack of focus, pressing, whatever.

2006-06-22 18:24:28
26.   dzzrtRatt
14 You've got two concepts rubbing together that are very different.

"Not motivated." Yeah, I agree, that's often thrown around when it's not warranted. It's cynical and often a product of envy.

"Pressing." Actually I've heard many players themselves provide that explanation, so my using it doesn't constitute "oversimplification."

I agree, on his worst day, Adrian Beltre performs at a level that most of us will never reach in any endeavor. But he is a human being, not a robot, and I think it's fair to say we're all passingly familiar with the complex psychology of human beings. Often the explanations for mysterious changes in behavior or performance are just that simple.

2006-06-22 18:25:24
27.   Bluebleeder87
who could we have sent down? (position)
2006-06-22 18:25:32
28.   Scanman33
By playing Izturis, the Dodgers are putting out the idea that they need him. In doing so, they feel like they're driving up his value. So when the calls come in, Neddy can say, "I'm going to need more of an offer to justify moving ym starting 3B".
2006-06-22 18:29:40
29.   GoBears
I know Jon wants to lay off the pitchers for a while, but I have a simple factual question (and I promise that it's sincere). Did Billingsley induce even one swing-and-miss last night? If so, was it only by Washburn? I didn't want to go back through the whole broadcast, but near the end of his 5 innings, it occurred to me that I couldn't remember even one pitch that wasn't hit (fair or foul) or eschewed. I remember some called strikes, and of course the foul balls, but no misses.

Even if I'm right, I refuse to infer anything about the next 15 years of his career from this odd turn of events. I wonder if he really was tipping his pitches.

2006-06-22 18:30:23
30.   Bluebleeder87
Loriano is out pitching Clemens
2006-06-22 18:30:51
31.   natepurcell

he struck out sexson on a swing and miss curveball.

2006-06-22 18:33:14
32.   Bob Timmermann
Richie Sexons struck out swinging in the third inning. That was the only time somebody swung and missed.
2006-06-22 18:33:48
33.   Bob Timmermann
Mine took longer to post because I misspelled Sexson!
2006-06-22 18:34:06
34.   GoBears
31. Thanks. I do remember that now. Phew. Anyone else? And I don't mean for strike 3 alone.
2006-06-22 18:35:11
35.   Bob Timmermann
Beltre swung and missed on a Billingsley pitch in the 4th according to the ESPN box.
2006-06-22 18:40:39
36.   StolenMonkey86
10 - I care, Liriano's on my fantasy team. The Dodgers will see him, and Johan Santana, this weekend after the Pirates.

Incidentally, I dropped tonight's starter, Felix Hernandez, because he doesn't quite have it all down yet. He strikes people out, but gives up the long ball a lot, including 3 to the Giants on June 16. The crazy thing, though, is that he's just a couple months over 20.

2006-06-22 18:43:32
37.   dsfan
The most plausible explanation I've heard for Beltre is that the 2004 foot injury improved his balance, increasing his ability to stay on the ball. He had been a lunging hitter, to his detriment, regularly just a tick too anxious. A slight mechanical fix can be profound when you have a very good athlete who'd shown good all-fields power on certain other pitchers but needed to narrow some holes.

Makeup? His remarkable durability suggests toughness and desire. You simply cannot play that much baseball Beltre had from age 16 onward unless you have those qualities.

I buy that PEDs can increase batspeed, or at least prevent it from waning by fostering quicker recovery. In turn, that could better allow a hitter to wait on pitches. But I don't think he was a PED guy, and if the LA media didn't indulge that speculation, whereas others do, bully for the LA media.

Tony Gwynn even said in the 2004 season that it was evident that Beltre was staying back on pitches better and attributed it to the foot/ankle spurs. Said his body was in a more balanced hitting position at the right time.
As for the subsequent reversion, that seems fairly logical, given the amount of muscle memory that preceded 2004. My hope is Beltre can tune into his '04 mechanics on a more consistent basis.

I can buy Beltre's suggestion that he would've fared better for the Dodgers in '05 than he did for Seattle. But I doubt he would'be approached his '04 numbers. I also believe he pushed through a leg injury last year and that it reduced his overall performance.

2006-06-22 18:47:10
38.   Steve
This morning on Dodger Recap or whatever A. Martinez was apologizing for Baez saying he's been jerked in and out of different "roles."

Exactly. Pap. A complete abdication of any responsibility to truth. It's merely corruption masquerading as analysis.

2006-06-22 18:51:25
39.   StolenMonkey86
Average age of tonight's lineup: 30.3 years old.

If you (hypothetically) had Aybar in instead of Kent and Kemp instead of Lofton, the average age of the lineup would drop to 26.7, leaving Izturis still in the younger half.

Is that why Grady keeps referring to Cesar as a "kid"?

2006-06-22 18:53:26
40.   Steve
A Martinez -- that's the 9 homerun, 100 RBI guy. OK. With him, it might just be he's stupid.
2006-06-22 18:53:58
41.   bigcpa
38 Amazing to think that sites like Baseball Prospectus can jump to the head of the line- right past the global behemoth ESPN- just by disclosing that certain players "suck" and backing it up.
2006-06-22 18:54:49
42.   Rich Lederer
We should aspire to do better than that - whether or not we're motivated to.

Pure journalistic gold in the context of that article.

2006-06-22 19:05:07
43.   Steve
Danys Baez is an insult to the word suck. He requires a whole new verb. Perhaps Danys Baez kolbs.
2006-06-22 19:09:14
44.   natepurcell
Beltre's going to cap off this series with a 2 homerun night.
2006-06-22 19:10:39
45.   Bluebleeder87
Dodgers live said Hernandez is 4-0 in his last 4 starts yikes!
2006-06-22 19:13:19
46.   natepurcell
3 shortstops in the infield might actually be a decent idea for whenever lowe pitches.
2006-06-22 19:14:02
47.   Bluebleeder87
nice start
2006-06-22 19:14:40
48.   ninjavshippo
Why is A Martinez speaking on behalf of Baez?

2006-06-22 19:15:45
49.   ninjavshippo
Gotta give it to Lowe. Ever since the end of last season, he's been a lot better and worth the megabucks.
2006-06-22 19:15:53
50.   Bluebleeder87

Beltre's going to hit in to 2 DP's, strike out ounce & hit a scramer to old friend Izzy but Izzy will make an easy play on it.

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2006-06-22 19:16:41
51.   Gen3Blue
Something I wanted to say today but held off on in deference to Jon's moritorium on pitching theory. I'll make it brief. In general, the best type for middle relievers are old vet pitchers who have been out there and seen pressure hundreds of times. Take Saito. The worst are rookies with great stuff, who are facing great pressure (this is one of my few chances to shine in the majors). They get wild and shook and walk people. See Kuo and Broxton. This is a broad statement -- there are many exceptions.
Thats all for now.
2006-06-22 19:17:00
52.   EricNus
Is it totally ridiculous to rearrange the infield putting Nomar at third, Kent at first, and Cesar at second? Sorry if this has come up before, and I realize it's a pretty seismic change...but maybe it would be a better way to maximize the talents of the four players?
2006-06-22 19:17:24
53.   Gagne55
Tomko not starting. Lowe gets the start instead. Losing streak might actually end, then. Does this mean Perez is forced back to the rotation tomorrow?
2006-06-22 19:18:42
54.   Bob Timmermann

The most notable exception would have been Pedro Martinez.

2006-06-22 19:19:34
55.   ninjavshippo
I suspect OP will have to get at least one or two more starts, given how shallow our rotation is, before they decide what to do with him.
2006-06-22 19:21:20
56.   Andrew Shimmin
Broxton also makes a pretty good exception, since he's had a fine year for a middle reliever.
2006-06-22 19:22:02
57.   dsfan
No disrespect to BP, but ESPN sold out a long time ago.
2006-06-22 19:24:17
58.   Gen3Blue
This site acknowledges the psychological component of baseball and the last decade as a D's fan has driven how important this is home. I'm fascinated watching how we are now in a losers head, and how meekly our batters go. It doesn't matter who is pitching. From my experience it will only change when some individual really does something to break the mold.
2006-06-22 19:25:13
59.   Andrew Shimmin
I could be wrong about this, but it seems like ESPN is showing more sports recently, than it had been. I haven't seen any quiz shows or that Frankly guy on the primary ESPN in a while now. Could be a sampling error, or maybe they really did stop trying to be MTV.
2006-06-22 19:25:20
60.   Gen3Blue
54 Yes, and also the lesson that someone with any talent should be a starter.
2006-06-22 19:28:51
61.   ninjavshippo
I was just checking VORP over @ BP and saw that we're getting by with basically six pitchers (Penny, Lowe, Saito, Sele, Broxton, Beimel), and I think we all expect Sele to Erickson out soon.

That's kind of sad. Going into the season, I could have sworn pitching would be one of our strengths.

2006-06-22 19:29:46
62.   natepurcell
uhhh... did the ump know what were strikes and what weren't in that AB?
2006-06-22 19:32:26
63.   Gen3Blue
I hate to say it, but Kent and Drew have been tough baggage for the Rooks to carry this week.
2006-06-22 19:33:11
64.   scareduck
That's kind of sad. Going into the season, I could have sworn pitching would be one of our strengths.

Given what was in the rotation, I would have said that was a mistake.

BTW, Jon, just for my own curiosity, today's column isn't aimed at moi, is it?

2006-06-22 19:33:12
65.   ninjavshippo
I agree w/ the previous contention that Drew hasn't contributed enough recently.
2006-06-22 19:34:53
66.   Bluebleeder87
Izzy is still perfect
2006-06-22 19:35:02
67.   ninjavshippo
Come on golden boy...
2006-06-22 19:42:27
68.   Bluebleeder87
well let's hope we get that run back
2006-06-22 19:43:15
69.   Bluebleeder87
you guys think Drew is still hurt?
2006-06-22 19:43:42
70.   Bluebleeder87
I know Kent is still feeling his way back from being on the DL.
2006-06-22 19:43:46
71.   Sam DC
Chris Needham who runs the Capitol Punishment blog posted this kind of cool comment re the BAL/FL game in the comments of a Nationals chat site:

"Awesome! FLA/BAL, Top 10, runner on second with Miguel Cabrera at the plate. They tried IBBing him, but the pitche was just into the opposite hitter's box, so Cabrera stepped forward, lunged at the high 'fastball' and smacked it into centerfield for the go-ahead RBI!

— Chris, 19 minutes ago"

2006-06-22 19:45:18
72.   Gagne55
That homerun basically ended the game. Dodgers lose... again.
2006-06-22 19:45:50
73.   Bluebleeder87


2006-06-22 19:46:02
74.   DXMachina
63 - I agree about Drew. He's been in a bad slump, but Kent's hit .355/.412/.581 since he came back from the DL. Maybe it's time for Grady to flip them in the line up, like he did when Kent was having the miserable April.
2006-06-22 19:46:39
75.   ToyCannon
Hard to believe but I'd rather have the Mariner starting lineup then ours. Only Nomar is noticably better and that is only because Sexson is not having his normal year.
2006-06-22 19:46:47
76.   Bluebleeder87
Nomar's hot let's hope he hits a dinger
2006-06-22 19:47:29
77.   Sam DC
72 Huh? Don't we have the top scoring offense in the league?
2006-06-22 19:47:45
78.   DXMachina
72 That homerun basically ended the game. Dodgers lose... again.

Wow. I didn't know you could have a walk off home run in the third inning.

2006-06-22 19:48:02
79.   Sam DC
77 Or is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning again.
2006-06-22 19:48:48
80.   JoeyP
Betancourt hitting a home run off Derek Lowe was about the most improbable thing I could think of happening in tonite's game.
2006-06-22 19:48:49
81.   ninjavshippo
Lowe is one tough AB...
2006-06-22 19:49:09
82.   Bob Timmermann
This sarcasm detector is off the charts!
2006-06-22 19:49:51
83.   ninjavshippo
My sarcasm detector is set to stun... I'm not sure what that means.
2006-06-22 19:49:57
84.   Bluebleeder87
2006-06-22 19:50:01
85.   Marty
I gotta say I'm very impressed with my first look at King Felix. Is there any way we can kidnap him?
2006-06-22 19:50:14
86.   ninjavshippo
Lowe the destroyer!
2006-06-22 19:50:29
87.   Sam DC
clap clap clap clap!
2006-06-22 19:50:33
88.   DXMachina
Brushback hit. :)
2006-06-22 19:50:47
89.   JoeyP
Ok the 2nd most improbable thing is Lowe having a 10 pitch at bat against Felix and getting a base hit.
2006-06-22 19:50:51
90.   Bob Timmermann

Think harder.

For example, I think it is highly unlikely that Kenny Lofton will turn an unassisted triple play.

I find it unlikely that Kenjie Johjima will hit four triples.

2006-06-22 19:51:19
91.   Bluebleeder87

Lowe was having a good at-bat fouling off pitches & so forth, to top it off he hita bullet that almost took Hernandez head off, it was sweet

2006-06-22 19:51:22
92.   Andrew Shimmin
Nate, please report to comment 85 and await further instructions.
2006-06-22 19:51:55
93.   Marty
What do people who know about such things think of his mechanics. It sure looks like he whips his arm around.
2006-06-22 19:52:49
94.   Greg Brock
You might be a pitcher on the basepaths if you jog into right center field on a double play attempt.
2006-06-22 19:54:15
95.   Bluebleeder87

Not a bad idea consedering our pitching situation

2006-06-22 19:55:47
96.   natepurcell

I've looked into this already. Almost possible. They have secret service with him 24/7

2006-06-22 19:55:51
97.   JoeyP
This lineup is missing a Bison.
2006-06-22 19:58:09
98.   JoeyP
I just noticed that Gameday shows Beltre with 11 errors. Thats quite a few for it only being June, and Beltre only playing 3rd.
2006-06-22 19:59:32
99.   MartinBillingsley31
Lofton's tanking 747 ops now.
Meanwhile kemp is waisting away on the bench opsing 1046.
2006-06-22 20:00:05
100.   Bluebleeder87
that little breaking ball stayed up.
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2006-06-22 20:00:30
101.   Marty
Jack Bauer could kidnap Felix. Difficult, but not impossible.
2006-06-22 20:01:09
102.   JoeyP
Seems like a flashback to last year.
Lowe had gone a long time without giving up the long balls, even for him. He's due for some sort of regression.
2006-06-22 20:01:16
103.   Bluebleeder87
the way "king Felix" is pitching this is looking more & more like mission imposible.
2006-06-22 20:01:36
104.   Sam DC
Boy, these groundball pitchers, when they make a mistake it kills ya. Someone should write an article about that or sump'n.
2006-06-22 20:03:16
105.   Andrew Shimmin
96- This is one of those situations where you may have to sacrifice your body for the team. Dolce et decorum est, etc. But hey, if you can't hack it, well, DT can always get another black-ops guy. I think bluebleeder would charge the Fort Knox if Bob told him to.
2006-06-22 20:05:27
106.   ddger
I thought Bomko wasn't pitching tonight. It must be Lowe imitating him instead.
2006-06-22 20:05:31
107.   natepurcell
Drew can't even get bloop hits now.
2006-06-22 20:05:55
108.   Gen3Blue
Do you think we are facing a "Warren Spahn " every night, or could our hitters have no confidence.
2006-06-22 20:05:57
109.   Andrew Shimmin
If anybody hasn't seen it yet, the final poll of the Worst GM in Baseball contest is now up over at DodgerMath. Fun for the whole family.

2006-06-22 20:06:03
110.   ninjavshippo
this is how you know you spend too much time on baseball blogs. i read that as "DT can always get another black-OPS guy," and I'm wondering, "we have a black guy who specializes in OPS?"
2006-06-22 20:08:03
111.   natepurcell
"we have a black guy who specializes in OPS?"

well, he goes by M Bison but basically, yea.

2006-06-22 20:08:48
112.   Bluebleeder87
it's not like were not hitting the guy, we just need to get some "timely hits" that's all.
2006-06-22 20:09:53
113.   ninjavshippo
lol.. now when you say M bison, i think of this guy.

2006-06-22 20:12:35
114.   Bluebleeder87
was that a missed hit an run play?
2006-06-22 20:13:42
115.   Uncle Miltie
114- Izturis wasn't going to swing at that junk in the dirt. Ethier is pretty slow. Izturis has been pretty patient so far.
2006-06-22 20:14:08
116.   JoeyP
Felix's one weakness is home runs. Thats why it was baffling why the Dodgers put their weakest lineup out there.

If Izzy plays 3rd, you have to have Kemp in there for KLoft. At least some threat needs to be in the lineup, especially with the way Drew is going.

2006-06-22 20:14:40
117.   Marty
Furcal's throws are an adventure.
2006-06-22 20:15:18
118.   D4P
And it might be a bit too early for Nomar to use up his last HR...
2006-06-22 20:17:22
119.   JoeyP
Lowe might throw a CG.
5ip only 67 pitches so far.
2006-06-22 20:17:30
120.   Bluebleeder87

good to know, know I'm questioning todays line up??

2006-06-22 20:21:59
121.   ninjavshippo
izzy stays perfect
2006-06-22 20:22:37
122.   Andrew Shimmin
If Izturis doesn't stop hitting 1.000 some time in the very near future, I'm going to go over to the magical thinking dark side.
2006-06-22 20:24:58
123.   Bluebleeder87
isn't beautiful when a pitcher dose his job
2006-06-22 20:25:14
124.   Bob Timmermann
I got a recall notice on my Prius!

Woo hoo!

2006-06-22 20:25:31
125.   ninjavshippo
that'll do, pig. that'll do.
2006-06-22 20:25:35
126.   JoeyP
Furcal and Lofton are both overdue for hits.
2006-06-22 20:25:40
127.   Bluebleeder87
this is a perfect time for a "timely hit"
2006-06-22 20:26:06
128.   ninjavshippo
Uh oh. My cousin drives his prius into the ground. Is it serious?
2006-06-22 20:26:19
129.   Gen3Blue
I guess Lowe gets a hand. But when the ball was bobbled, most living hamans would have been save.

Maybe furc and Iz willjerk each other into playing.

2006-06-22 20:26:21
130.   Bluebleeder87


2006-06-22 20:28:17
131.   Bluebleeder87
Perfect time for Nomar to hit it out.
2006-06-22 20:28:21
132.   Gagne55
I knew Lofton wasn't gonna get the run in. And I know Nomar won't either. The Dodgers are just pitiful right now. I can't bear to watch.
2006-06-22 20:28:38
133.   Bluebleeder87
Nomar got jammed, darn it.
2006-06-22 20:29:05
134.   JoeyP
At least they got some better swings that inning. Hit the ball hard.
2006-06-22 20:29:20
135.   D4P
What are the implications of a recall?
2006-06-22 20:29:23
136.   Bob Timmermann

Something about some problem with the steering column where it might develop a crack if I drive the car hard into curbs.

2006-06-22 20:29:23
137.   Bluebleeder87

no faith man!

2006-06-22 20:30:00
138.   JoeyP
Furcal, Lofton, and Martin had line drives at least.
2006-06-22 20:30:15
139.   Bluebleeder87
so why did you go whoo hoo? that's not something to whoo hoo about.
2006-06-22 20:30:26
140.   Bob Timmermann

I have to go to my dealer and they fix it. It's supposed to take an hour. I'll go to the one near a mall on a day off.

2006-06-22 20:30:34
141.   ninjavshippo
136 not to turn this into prius thoughts, but is it the first generation or late model prius?
2006-06-22 20:31:45
142.   Bob Timmermann

My doctor has diagnosed with me with a case of inadvertant woo-hoo-itis.

2006-06-22 20:32:12
143.   Bob Timmermann
It's an 05 Prius.
2006-06-22 20:33:12
144.   Andrew Shimmin
170,856 Priuses, '04-'06.

2006-06-22 20:34:28
145.   Bluebleeder87
with a little more experience Izzy would have had that one.
2006-06-22 20:34:52
146.   JoeyP
Jose Lopez is only 22.
He's probably got a nice future ahead of him.
2006-06-22 20:35:07
147.   Bob Timmermann
Not a well-executed rundown.
2006-06-22 20:36:07
148.   Bob Timmermann
That rundown should have been 1-2-5 at worst

I get scared when the guy caught off base is running TOWARD home.

2006-06-22 20:36:21
149.   Nagman
Did Martin not realize he didn't have to throw the ball? I'm not sure if that cost the Dodgers putting the hitter into scoring position but that was terrible.
2006-06-22 20:36:33
150.   Jon Weisman
64 - It's aimed at a point of view I've heard from many, not one particular person. I couldn't have told you who's said it in particular.
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2006-06-22 20:36:52
151.   Andrew Shimmin
Have they executed a single rundown well all year?
2006-06-22 20:37:41
152.   JoeyP
Wow, bad at bat by Ibanez.
First pitch.
2006-06-22 20:38:47
153.   JoeyP
DLowe wiggles out of trouble.
2006-06-22 20:39:42
154.   scareduck
142 - is that a chronic or an acute condition?
2006-06-22 20:40:21
155.   Bluebleeder87
Bob you make me ashamed, I have an '04 acura-S type, one of the reason I don't drive it is because of gas pricess (I take the bus were ever I go now)
2006-06-22 20:41:24
156.   scareduck
Am I the only one who thinks Hernandez vaguely resembles OP?
2006-06-22 20:43:14
157.   Bob Timmermann
As I've said before, you don't buy a Prius to save gas. You buy it to assert your moral superiority over others.

Apparently, it's working!

2006-06-22 20:43:15
158.   JoeyP
This is Felix last inning.
He's losing control and has thrown 90 pitches.
2006-06-22 20:44:35
159.   Bob Timmermann
And now it's time for Cesar Wiliams at bat!
2006-06-22 20:44:49
160.   Bob Timmermann
Or should it be Ted Izturis?
2006-06-22 20:45:21
161.   D4P
Yeah, but the moral superiority ultimately stems from the gas-saving, doesn't it?
2006-06-22 20:45:35
162.   Bluebleeder87
thus I say I'm ashemed
2006-06-22 20:46:51
163.   Bluebleeder87
is Izzy still perfect?
2006-06-22 20:47:18
164.   Bluebleeder87
Izzy is a little spark plu whoo hoo!!
2006-06-22 20:47:35
165.   JoeyP
He's done.
But Hargrove may play Hargrove-ball.
2006-06-22 20:47:59
166.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Izzy even looks patient. I'd like him to make all my skeptical comments about his bat wrong.


2006-06-22 20:48:28
167.   D4P
Izturis' OPS ceiling appears to be right at 2.000
2006-06-22 20:48:28
168.   Bluebleeder87
161 d4p

good point

2006-06-22 20:48:43
169.   Bob Timmermann

The gas savings are secondary to the moral superiority. They really need a moral superiority meter on the dashboard.

I can also drive in carpool lanes by myself, a function that serves no real benefit to anyone.

2006-06-22 20:49:09
170.   Bluebleeder87
I love Martin in this situation (PATIENT)
2006-06-22 20:49:28
171.   Bluebleeder87
Golen boy alert!
2006-06-22 20:50:06
172.   JoeyP
I love stupid managers.
2006-06-22 20:50:30
173.   Bluebleeder87
good 'ol fashion squeeze was tried
2006-06-22 20:51:02
174.   Bluebleeder87

I swear I laughed out loud!!

2006-06-22 20:51:07
175.   D4P
Just Another Blown Save Opportunity For Baez
2006-06-22 20:52:18
176.   JoeyP
Felix was done like 10 pitches ago, but it is Mike Hargrove managing.
So you expect these sorts of things.
2006-06-22 20:53:17
177.   JoeyP
LOL....this is priceless.
2006-06-22 20:53:25
178.   Bluebleeder87
I think this Izzy vs Furcal is working like a charm. Graddy Little is a genious
2006-06-22 20:53:38
179.   D4P
Looks like Izturis' return has lit a fire under Furcal.
2006-06-22 20:54:02
180.   Andrew Shimmin
169- That's not true, it gets you out of my way. Pushing as many people in to that other lane as possible benefits everyone.
2006-06-22 20:54:29
181.   scareduck
169 - so, are you saying you've increased your smug emissions?
2006-06-22 20:55:18
182.   JoeyP
Dodgers 11 hits. All singles.
2006-06-22 20:55:30
183.   D4P
And his contribution to global smarming...?
2006-06-22 20:55:47
184.   Andrew Shimmin
180 addendum- Except the people who already use it. But, since I'm not one of them, I don't consider that important.
2006-06-22 20:56:34
185.   JoeyP
Russ Martin now hitting .381 in June.
2006-06-22 20:56:37
186.   Bluebleeder87
is it possible that our bullpen blows it yet again?
2006-06-22 20:57:47
187.   scareduck
186 - possible? How about inevitable?
2006-06-22 20:58:05
188.   D4P
Not sure walking Lofton to load the bases for Garciaparra is a winning brand of baseball.
2006-06-22 20:58:08
189.   Bluebleeder87
grand salamy anyone?
2006-06-22 20:59:15
190.   JoeyP
I think Grits and Hargrove are clones.
Thats a bad thing.
2006-06-22 20:59:26
191.   Bluebleeder87
We need to give our pen a nise cushin
2006-06-22 21:01:18
192.   DodgerBakers
188 Apparently it worked. Ouch.
2006-06-22 21:01:41
193.   Gen3Blue
Wow , I've rarely seen a weaker at bat than Garc with the bases loaded.
2006-06-22 21:01:43
194.   JoeyP
Forget the pen.
Lowe's going for the complete game tonite. He's at 81 pitches, the Mariners never take walks.

Its possible he can get 9 outs.

2006-06-22 21:01:44
195.   JoeyP
Forget the pen.
Lowe's going for the complete game tonite. He's at 81 pitches, the Mariners never take walks.

Its possible he can get 9 outs.

2006-06-22 21:01:59
196.   ddger
Can we just get 1 more inning from Lowe? Then we can just go to Saito for 2.
2006-06-22 21:02:22
197.   scareduck
No-more runs.
2006-06-22 21:03:23
198.   JoeyP
9 more outs for Lowe
Here we go!
2006-06-22 21:03:49
199.   ddger
Can Lowe give us our 1st complete game of the year?
2006-06-22 21:04:38
200.   ddger
8 more outs for Lowe
Here we go!
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2006-06-22 21:04:57
201.   DodgerBakers
197. Hah!
2006-06-22 21:05:22
202.   Gen3Blue
195 194 Don't apologize for the double post.
A truer thought has rarely been expressed.
Even if Lowe gives up 2 solo's we are still tied.
2006-06-22 21:05:27
203.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is quietly having a good game
2006-06-22 21:06:19
204.   ddger
7 more outs for Lowe
Here we go!
2006-06-22 21:06:44
205.   scareduck
Not apropos of anything, but this is a nifty gadget.

No longer do I roast my chestnuts, if you take my meaning.

2006-06-22 21:07:20
206.   Bluebleeder87
how many pitches dose he have? complete game would be sweet
2006-06-22 21:08:17
207.   scareduck
Izturis is upsetting to Everett AND Hargrove. This represents a good thing.
2006-06-22 21:08:17
208.   scareduck
Izturis is upsetting to Everett AND Hargrove. This represents a good thing.
2006-06-22 21:08:26
209.   DodgerBakers
206. 91 or so according to Gameday
2006-06-22 21:08:47
210.   DodgerBakers
hey, a very efficient inning, terrific
2006-06-22 21:09:03
211.   Greg Brock
Carl Everett: Ump, you're dumber than a dinosaur, if they existed, which they didn't.
2006-06-22 21:09:14
212.   JoeyP
10 pitches that inning.
91 through 7. Lowe's got this.
2006-06-22 21:09:28
213.   Uncle Miltie
Crazy Carl was safe and it wasn't even close.

Izzy has looked good in the field and at the plate

Project BROtheR?

2006-06-22 21:09:53
214.   Bluebleeder87
Would you keep Lowe in?? Yes--No?
2006-06-22 21:10:44
215.   Jon Weisman
I just read that Magic Mountain might close. That shocks me.

Though I was too young to remember it, my family went to Magic Mountain the day it opened. The No. 1 major ride then was the Gold Rush, my brother says.

2006-06-22 21:10:50
216.   Bluebleeder87
the ump likes cheering for the inderdog
2006-06-22 21:11:01
217.   Gen3Blue
3 assists for Iz that inning. I forgot how good he looks on D.
2006-06-22 21:11:43
218.   ddger
Another single! We must be getting close to a record. Bob?
2006-06-22 21:12:25
219.   Bluebleeder87
Gold rush was sweet, When I was 13 I loved going on it, I can't believe it's closing.
2006-06-22 21:13:46
220.   DodgerBakers
I knew Drew would do well as soon as I benched him in my fantasy league

214. Keep him in, is there another option?

215. Really? Interesting. Went there with brother in law, his girlfriend, and my wife. Many of the rides were closed down, but good 'ol Gold Rush was open.

2006-06-22 21:13:49
221.   Gen3Blue
Kent--whats the matter.
Well that call makes up for Evs
2006-06-22 21:13:52
222.   ddger
Can we get a extra base hit?
2006-06-22 21:14:00
223.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is quietly having a good day
2006-06-22 21:14:03
224.   CeyHey
keep izzy or trade for a starting pitcher?
2006-06-22 21:14:20
225.   Bob Timmermann
Most singles in a game is 28.
2006-06-22 21:14:36
226.   JoeyP
13 singles......
2006-06-22 21:14:41
227.   Greg S
217. I didn't. He's the best defensive player I've ever seen play day to day. I've been watching for more than 30 years.
2006-06-22 21:14:55
228.   Bluebleeder87
Izzy looks awkward batting righty
2006-06-22 21:14:57
229.   DodgerBakers
218 13 singles, isn't the record closer to 20?
2006-06-22 21:15:07
230.   ddger
225 How about most consecutive singles in a game?
2006-06-22 21:15:26
231.   DodgerBakers
225 ah, the refresh button works great
2006-06-22 21:15:53
232.   Bluebleeder87
uncomfortable is the word
2006-06-22 21:16:42
233.   JoeyP
Whats the record for most hits that are all singles in a game?
2006-06-22 21:16:44
234.   DodgerBakers
well there goes Izzy's spotless avg.
2006-06-22 21:17:34
235.   Bob Timmermann
I'm trying to track it down, but in the 1980s, the Dodgers had a game against the Reds where they had 17 singles and no extra base hits I think.
2006-06-22 21:17:38
236.   ddger
11 hits from our 7-8-9-1 hitters tonight
2006-06-22 21:18:56
237.   Greg S
Vinny making a rare mistake regarding a Dodger staff member calling Stan Johnston "Stan Johnson". Gotta call him on it!
2006-06-22 21:19:21
238.   Bob Timmermann
June 3, 1988.

Dodgers beat the Reds, 13-5

22 hits by the Dodgers. All singles!

2006-06-22 21:20:34
239.   JoeyP
If Lowe gets through this inning pretty quick, they should just let him pitch the 9th too. Saito hasnt pitched since Saturday. I wouldnt chance it that he might be rusty.
2006-06-22 21:20:53
240.   scareduck
Re Magic Mountain

Not too surprising. Roller-coaster-centric parks require tons of capital and have a hard time drawing return traffic.

2006-06-22 21:21:26
241.   ddger
238 Wow that's amazing. Thanks, Bob. I guess we're long ways off.
2006-06-22 21:21:32
242.   Bluebleeder87
So watch Saito blow it.
2006-06-22 21:22:22
243.   Uncle Miltie
237- I thought his name was Stan Johnson too.
2006-06-22 21:22:40
244.   JoeyP
Ichiro's hitting streak is done.
5 more to go.
2006-06-22 21:22:40
245.   Greg S
Going to Magic Mountain at the age of 3 might be my earliest memory. Now it just seems to be a place where punk teenagers create more fear than the rides.
2006-06-22 21:23:30
246.   Bluebleeder87
I liked that, high an inside
2006-06-22 21:23:52
247.   DodgerBakers
238 Bad outing by both starters neither one lasted until the third.
2006-06-22 21:24:34
248.   Bluebleeder87

I went about 2-3 years ago, it still looked cool

2006-06-22 21:24:54
249.   scareduck
Breaking ball off the plate. Some things never change.
2006-06-22 21:25:14
250.   JoeyP
Welcome back Adrian.
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2006-06-22 21:25:15
251.   Greg Brock
249 Beat me to it
2006-06-22 21:26:08
252.   Gen3Blue
Luck is still not with us, as it is hard to have 13 hits and only score 4 runs. It almost takes a rare talent.Of course Seattle has done a good job of keeping the walks down.
But Kudos to Lowe, no walks so far, may I not jinx him.
2006-06-22 21:26:12
253.   Bob Timmermann

I'm pretty sure 22 hits without an extra base hit among them is a major league record. It's hard enough to get 22 hits period. But basically, the Dodgers just rolled the ball through holes in the infield a lot that game. I don't recall much of anything being hit hard.

The Dodgers BABIP in that game was .579.

They had a sac fly so how do I account for that?

2006-06-22 21:26:35
254.   Bluebleeder87
you think, Grady will let Lowe pitch a complete game
2006-06-22 21:26:52
255.   DodgerBakers
252 doesn't look like it. Late in the game and Lowe strikes out two.
2006-06-22 21:26:57
256.   JoeyP
Its good to see the Mariners finally look like the Mariners.

I'd let DLowe finish it off.
I'd have Saito warmed up just in case.

2006-06-22 21:27:07
257.   Jon Weisman
240 - this is what I read, via L.A. Observed

But you know what you they say about Valencia. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere.

By the way, I'll be in Valencia on Sunday for this:

I'll be on the W.I.T.C.H. panel:

2006-06-22 21:27:22
258.   Bob Timmermann
I figure the Dodgers BABIP in this game (as hitters) as .520.
2006-06-22 21:27:54
259.   Uncle Miltie
I'd leave Lowe in for the 9th. He gets more movement on his pitches when he's tired. Saito should warm up in the bullpen, but Grits needs to let Lowe stay in until he gives up a hit.
2006-06-22 21:28:11
260.   ddger
I hope 4 runs is enough tonight. We left lot of runners on base.
2006-06-22 21:30:36
261.   Nagman
258 I still don't understand why HR's are not included in BABIP. I understand that they aren't in play, but don't they count against what you are trying to measure?
2006-06-22 21:30:48
262.   JoeyP
A little luck never hurts when trying to stop a losing streak. Now they need to find a way to skip Tomko, Seo, Sele, and OP, and have Penny/Lowe/Billz start the remainder of the games.

I dont think it was a coincidence that Tomko was pushed back following a long losing streak.

2006-06-22 21:32:33
263.   Greg S
When in Valencia, please visit Mercedes of Valencia!
Part owned by our own Eddie Murray. (Ignore that it's part owned by Kevin Malone)
2006-06-22 21:32:39
264.   Bob Timmermann
BABIP is supposed to measure whether or not a pitcher is just fortunate because most of the balls that were able to be fielded were turned into outs or whether they became hits. It's not supposed to tell you if you have Eric Milton on the mound.
2006-06-22 21:33:12
265.   Gen3Blue
Ist pitch out. But we've got Garc coming up,so don't worry.
2006-06-22 21:35:54
266.   Gen3Blue
Another single; so now worry.
2006-06-22 21:35:57
267.   Nagman
264 Thanks. I was slowly coming to that conclusion as I put some effort into thinking about it. The Eric Milton thing made it very clear.
2006-06-22 21:36:16
268.   JoeyP
Its just one of those nites for Mariners pitchers.

14 hits..14 singles

2006-06-22 21:36:51
269.   Bob Timmermann
Sellout tomorrow night. So everybody, let's show a little patience out there on the road and in the parking lot. There's plenty of baseball to be played here tonight!
2006-06-22 21:36:57
270.   Bluebleeder87
wow that pitch had a ton of movement
2006-06-22 21:38:28
271.   Bob Timmermann
I realized that the 22-singles game against Cincinnati came in a home game and the Dodgers had just 8 times at bat.

And they set the team record for hits in a home game when they batted just 8 times also.

2006-06-22 21:38:44
272.   ddger
269 Hope it's 1-2-3 for Lowe in 9th.
2006-06-22 21:39:07
273.   JoeyP
I'd hook DLowe if he gives up 1 base runner.
2006-06-22 21:40:39
274.   ddger
273 Agree, but Grits might let Lowe talk him out of it like last time.
2006-06-22 21:42:12
275.   ddger
Guess Grits is learning from prev experience.
2006-06-22 21:42:44
276.   scareduck
Grady pulls Lowe before he melts down. Is this a first?
2006-06-22 21:42:45
277.   JoeyP
2006-06-22 21:42:51
278.   Greg Brock
When has this ever not worked out for Grits...Oh yeah, that.
2006-06-22 21:42:52
279.   Bluebleeder87
good move by Grtis to leave him in yes--no?
2006-06-22 21:43:15
280.   Bluebleeder87
if I were the manager I'd keep him in
2006-06-22 21:43:24
281.   scareduck
276 - I am wrong. This ends badly.
2006-06-22 21:43:31
282.   ddger
Didn't we lose last Sunday when Grits left Lowe one batter too long.
2006-06-22 21:43:39
283.   Bluebleeder87
the reason I say that is because of Lowe's ability to get a DP
2006-06-22 21:43:52
284.   DodgerBakers
279. I would have pulled him.
2006-06-22 21:44:00
285.   Greg Brock
279 I have no problem with it.
2006-06-22 21:44:53
286.   ddger
Please don't give up a homerun.
2006-06-22 21:45:31
287.   Greg S
I like it. Not like the bullpen is a lock. And this is what makes Aces Aces.
2006-06-22 21:45:54
288.   scareduck
281 - I am wrong. Thankfully.
2006-06-22 21:46:14
289.   DodgerBakers
287 good point
2006-06-22 21:46:21
290.   Bluebleeder87
Great job by Lowe
2006-06-22 21:46:54
291.   JoeyP
That was the 1st Dodger complete game since when?

Good job Lowe. Good pitchers should shut down bad offenses, and he did the job tonite.

2006-06-22 21:47:55
292.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Also, the hit Lowe gave up in the ninth him was a flare, no? Pedro was getting hit hard in that infamous game 7.


2006-06-22 21:48:30
293.   CeyHey
keep izzy or trade him?
2006-06-22 21:48:59
294.   Greg Brock
291 Weaver last year in a loss, so says Vin.
2006-06-22 21:49:12
295.   Greg S
I like what Grady did there. Notice that he went out and let Lowe say "let me finish it". He didn't send Honeycutt out to talk with him. That move was an Ace building move. Subtle but I like it.
2006-06-22 21:49:48
296.   LAT
Cesar just said "I just want to do whatever it takes to help the team to win."

Translation: "I'm outta here!"

2006-06-22 21:51:29
297.   Gen3Blue
Thank God! And you can't deny Izzy and Furcal sparked this, for whatever reason.
But our big guys Drew,Kent,Garc, and the seated Kemp zip. No RBI's. This slump is strange. Most of these guys have lots of experience. What gives. And thank god for Martin.
2006-06-22 21:51:29
298.   Greg S
I'd love for Izzy to stay but it's probably not realistic. He has more value to the Dodgers if traded as a Gold Glove shortstop than he does staying as a utility infielder. Playing him at short over Furcal probably just can't happen.
2006-06-22 21:52:10
299.   Bluebleeder87
what are they doing in the back ground some type of concert?
2006-06-22 21:52:55
300.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Weaver threw the last CG:

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2006-06-22 21:53:14
301.   gpellamjr
Furcal for Beltre?
2006-06-22 21:53:35
302.   Gen3Blue
Kennedy just said their pitcher wasn't fooling anyone by the third time around.
He sure fooled Nomar OK. He must not count.
2006-06-22 21:53:51
303.   JoeyP
That move was an Ace building move

Considering Lowe has a Cy Young award, I doubt he needs any validation for being classified an 'ace'.

2006-06-22 21:54:30
304.   Bob Timmermann
The Pink Spiders are playing after the game.

I have no idea who they are, and neither does Vin, but he's been pushing this for a while.

2006-06-22 21:56:04
305.   Greg S
304. With a name like Pink Spiders, they've got to be good.
Is anyone here young enough (or cool enough) to have any idea who the Pink Spiders are? Certainly not me.
2006-06-22 21:56:17
306.   Greg Brock
303 Nope
2006-06-22 21:56:22
307.   Bluebleeder87

I don't mean this the wrong way, But I'm gonna miss Izzy alot, Sorry man, I love the guy. (isert man crush here)

2006-06-22 21:57:04
308.   CeyHey
Would you trade Izzy for a Jon Garland or Brandon McCarthy
2006-06-22 21:57:22
309.   Bluebleeder87

chick band most likely no?

2006-06-22 21:57:55
310.   JoeyP
308. Yes, but Kenny Williams wouldnt.
2006-06-22 21:58:24
311.   Gen3Blue
I'd not give up on Iz yet. Many strange things happen this time of year.
2006-06-22 21:58:46
312.   Bluebleeder87
I know who The Donnas, L7, Kitty & so on are but not the "pink spiders" I'm gonna ask my chick tomorrow.
2006-06-22 21:58:59
313.   MartinBillingsley31
EVERYTHING revolves around pitching.
And that's why the dodgers should get the best available free agent starting pitcher this offseason (in my opinion zito).
Keep the prospects pickup zito and if there is another free agent starting pitcher available that is worth it, get him too.
If orenduff knocks down the door, so what put him in the pen, its called depth.
You get what you pay for (tomko 3.6 million).
2006-06-22 21:59:46
314.   Greg Brock
If you want a top pitcher for Izzy, you're going to have to package him with a prospect or two, like Matt Kemp and Billingsley...KIDDING!

Please don't kill me.

2006-06-22 22:00:29
315.   Uncle Miltie
308- not for Garland. Absolutely for McCarthy. I'd even throw in Tomko.
2006-06-22 22:00:58
316.   natepurcell
Is anyone here young enough (or cool enough) to have any idea who the Pink Spiders are? Certainly not me.

I'm cool and young enough and Pink Spiders does not ring a bell. But of course, they probably suck and I only listen to good music.

Would you trade Izzy for a Jon Garland or Brandon McCarthy

Garland, no. McCarthy, hell yes.

2006-06-22 22:01:36
317.   natepurcell
Please don't kill me.

I can't kill you Greg. You make me laugh too much.

2006-06-22 22:02:16
318.   Bluebleeder87
It's a dude band!! WHAT!!!???
2006-06-22 22:02:37
319.   CeyHey
the pink spiders don't look like a chick band
2006-06-22 22:03:10
320.   Greg Brock
They must be an East German chick band.
2006-06-22 22:05:00
321.   Greg Brock
317 Thanks Nate.
2006-06-22 22:05:05
322.   Bluebleeder87
My chick plays the guitar she would have loved being there.
2006-06-22 22:06:48
323.   CeyHey
Is it pink spiders bobblehead tomorrow?
2006-06-22 22:08:47
324.   Andrew Shimmin
Creepiest story of the week:

2006-06-22 22:09:27
325.   natepurcell
We realistically can't keep both furcal and izturis. One is going to have to go. I hope both play extremely well up til the trade deadline because I am greedy and I want a great return.
2006-06-22 22:12:28
326.   Greg Brock
324 Thanks a lot, Andrew. The Brockster makes one mistake, and it ends up on a DT thread. I don't go posting links to stuff YOU do in your off time.
2006-06-22 22:13:52
327.   Blu2
The Furball signing was a mistake from the gitgo, and overpaying for him makes even less sense. Put Cesar at short and trade Furball for whatever we can get, eat part of his salary if you have to. If I were McCourt that's what I'd tell that idiot Flanders and I'd take the eaten salary out of Flanders' paycheck
2006-06-22 22:13:57
328.   natepurcell
They just showed a video clip of Smooth Sal hitting a homerun off topic.

I smiled.

2006-06-22 22:15:11
329.   Vaudeville Villain
Not sure if this has been talked about yet, but the Marlins just got the coolest win ever. A walk off base hit by Miguel Cabrera...On an attempted intentional walk.

Pretty hilarious how inept the Orioles are.

2006-06-22 22:15:40
330.   Vaudeville Villain

Actually, not sure if it was a walk-off. Cool, anyway.

2006-06-22 22:15:53
331.   Greg Brock
Nate, I love ya, but the Fasano thing is officially entering "creepy" status. You know, like me and Mike Sharperson.
2006-06-22 22:16:57
332.   Greg S
Can't touch Sharpie
2006-06-22 22:18:00
333.   natepurcell
I mean, off Tomko.

why did i say topic?

2006-06-22 22:21:52
334.   Bluebleeder87

good point Greg. hahaha :o)

2006-06-22 22:22:41
335.   LAT
I will miss Izzy. There is no way he stays and frankly, why would he want to? Hopefully he plays flawless 3B for the next month and continues to get on base. We get good value for him and he lands somewhere he wants to play.
2006-06-22 22:24:11
336.   Bluebleeder87
I hope Kemp starts tomorrow (Perez pitching for the bucks) but then again Ethier had a great game & I hear he hits lefties pretty well.
2006-06-22 22:24:24
337.   natepurcell
What teams realistically would want to make a play for Izturis? I honestly can't think of many right now.
2006-06-22 22:24:52
338.   natepurcell
What did Thomas Haden Church win an Academy for?
2006-06-22 22:26:08
339.   Bluebleeder87

is there an outside chance Furcal gets traded for a SP? what dose his contract look like? (I doubt it hu?)
2006-06-22 22:26:38
340.   natepurcell
HAHAHA. I just saw the Marlins highlights. That was classic.
2006-06-22 22:26:58
341.   Bluebleeder87

they'd have to package him with some other guys no?

2006-06-22 22:28:39
342.   JoeyP
336. They could both start. Lofton's not hitting .320 anymore, so they have an excuse to bench him and play Kemp full time in CF.

I'd start Cruz, Kemp, and Drew tho. I wouldnt bench Drew against a tough lefty, but if they do I hope Ethier's in there.

2006-06-22 22:29:06
343.   Greg Brock
338 He was nominated for Sideways, but didn't win (and should have).
2006-06-22 22:29:44
344.   Uncle Miltie
Izturis for John Patterson
Izturis, Ethier, and Blake Johnson for Jeff Francis
Izturis for Scott Baker and Juan Rincon (they can have Baez if they want him)
Izturis, Guzman, and Navarro for Carl Crawford :)
2006-06-22 22:30:34
345.   Greg Brock
Freeman won for the "Sorry you didn't win for Shawshank like you should have" performance in Million Dollar Baby. Oscar by Revlon.
2006-06-22 22:34:42
346.   natepurcell

Izturis for Patterson would be absolutely ideal. I dont think Bowden is that much of a dumbass though. Maybe Izturis Guzman and Orenduff could get Patterson.

I like the Izturis for Scott Baker idea though.

2006-06-22 22:36:04
347.   Uncle Miltie
Has anyone heard of the band Me First and The Gimme Gimmes? They are sort of a punk band, but they do cover songs of a bunch of old music (60s and 70s). With all of the elderly people on this board, I thought someone might be interested.
2006-06-22 22:37:01
348.   Bluebleeder87
we gained a game today, 1 game back from first place
2006-06-22 22:37:17
349.   Greg Brock
I'd go Izzy and Guzman, but adding Orenduff is a bit much for my taste. I like Patterson, but I would think you could get a bit more for those three.
2006-06-22 22:37:21
350.   natepurcell

Yea, members of NOFX. I don't really listen to that type of music but I know the bands.

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2006-06-22 22:41:05
351.   Bluebleeder87

what kind of music do you like nate?

2006-06-22 22:41:56
352.   Bluebleeder87
I think N'sync is pretty cool, how about you?
2006-06-22 22:42:09
353.   natepurcell
metal, postrock, indie rock. etc.
2006-06-22 22:43:22
354.   Uncle Miltie
350- it's actually only the lead singer from NOFX, but he doesn't sing, he only plays bass guitar. Their cover of "Rocket Man" is a hilarious. They are also a really talented band, which makes it even funnier. My favorite band is Bad Religion though.
2006-06-22 22:44:34
355.   Greg Brock
353 Nate has angst :)
2006-06-22 22:45:38
356.   natepurcell

Bad Religion? Awesome! They are one of my favorite punk bands. Love them. Against the Grain, Generator, Recipe for Hate, Stranger than Fiction, etc, etc. All are great.

2006-06-22 22:46:29
357.   natepurcell
I think N'sync is pretty cool, how about you?

Not really into N'sync.... Backstreet Boys are better.

2006-06-22 22:48:03
358.   Bluebleeder87
My ex liked fuzzy little something (I forgat there name) I heard one of there C.D's & was pleasantly suprised (great band) indie rock
2006-06-22 22:49:14
359.   StolenMonkey86
346 - Livan Hernandez would be better for the following reasons:

1) Lower stock because of a rough start this season
2) Veteran guy without too much time on his contract left
3) He's incredibly durable, having lead the league in innings pitched the last 3 years in a row.
4) He pitched poorly in the 2002 WS while on the Giants.
5) Patterson is just now getting off the DL.
6) He has experience putting up with Jeff Kent.
7) He's still only 30, supposedly.

2006-06-22 22:51:57
360.   Uncle Miltie
356- yea I love Bad Religion, but unfortunately I've never seen them in concert. Greg Graffin is seriously brilliant and it shows in his lyrics. What other member of a band have you heard of who has a PhD from Cornell.

I like all of the CDs you mentioned, especially Generator, but my favorite is Against the Grain. My favorite Bad Religion song is probably Anesthesia. It never gets old.

I like NOFX a lot, but I don't agree with their political views. Still they are a funny band, just not nearly as talented or as witty as Bad Religion.

2006-06-22 22:52:06
361.   Blu2
What happened to Lindsey Soto? Haven't seen her in several weeks. She is so turned on around the athletes it's funny. But I don't mind, it just makes it interesting enough to watch.
2006-06-22 22:52:10
362.   Bluebleeder87
359 --6) He has experience putting up with Jeff Kent.

I'm impressed, sign 'um

2006-06-22 22:52:20
363.   natepurcell

What about his 5.64 era and 1.63 whip?

2006-06-22 22:53:07
364.   LAT
353. Nate, now that you have some idea how old I am, you can understand my asking what is postrock and indie rock?
2006-06-22 22:55:33
365.   ddger
303 I don't remember Lowe winning Cy Young award. When was it?
2006-06-22 22:55:34
366.   Bluebleeder87

I think she's married or something no? I've seen here grab here ear & smile like she's sending a message to her man.

2006-06-22 22:56:36
367.   Bluebleeder87

I know indie stands for Indipendent rock, but postrock I have no clue

2006-06-22 22:57:36
368.   natepurcell
Postrock is mostly instrumental rock music that comes at you in waves. Songs slowly build up, explode with driving octave chords (sometimes), slow down, and repeat.

Hard to describe, but it's just amazing to me.

some bands to check out if you're interested (older people can like it too)

Explosions in the Sky
Godspeed You! Black Emperor

2006-06-22 22:59:06
369.   LAT
345. Million Dollar Baby is on right now. Hillary Swank was as good as any actress ever. By far, the best movie Clint ever directed.
2006-06-22 22:59:39
370.   natepurcell
Indie rock is just short for independent rock which is a pretty broad term for music. But basically it's just rock music, nothing fancy.
2006-06-22 23:00:22
371.   Bluebleeder87
I just saw the hit by Cabrera, that was a HORRIBLE PITCH OUT by the pitcher!, it almost looked like a high strike!!.
2006-06-22 23:00:44
372.   LAT
Songs slowly build up, explode with driving octave chords (sometimes), slow down, and repeat.

Sounds like classical music.

2006-06-22 23:03:43
373.   ddger
Does anyone ever listen to Dodgertalk on radio after games?

There must be at least 60% news and commercials and only 40% actual dodger talk.

2006-06-22 23:04:08
374.   natepurcell

It basically is, but in a rock band setting.

Bands like Silver Mountain Zion and Godspeed You Black Emperor are basically mini orchestras, with up to 12 or so members (violines, cellos, extra percussion, etc).

2006-06-22 23:05:06
375.   Greg Brock
345 I'll take Unforgiven or Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil...but MDB is a good flick. Morgan Freeman could pretty much narrate my bowel movements and it would be great...The narration, not my bowel movements.

Oh, and Meryl Streep: 13 nominations/2 wins (should be five)
Best female actress ever. Of course, I hate Hepburn, so I'm biased. Emma Thompson is great as well. Ooooh Ooooh, and Bette Davis.

2006-06-22 23:05:31
376.   Bluebleeder87
372 -- sounds like the begining of that song "I want my Mtv" I forget who sings it.
2006-06-22 23:06:13
377.   Greg Brock
369 Sorry, I meant 369
2006-06-22 23:06:49
378.   Greg Brock
376 That would be Dire Straits
2006-06-22 23:08:01
379.   Bluebleeder87

have you heard the begining of that song? pretty cool

2006-06-22 23:09:02
380.   JoeyP
My fault Lowe finished 3rd in Cy Young voting in 2002. Zito won and Pedro was 2nd.
2006-06-22 23:09:33
381.   Bluebleeder87
I'm thinking Tomko is do for a good game, He pitches well in DS.
2006-06-22 23:11:38
382.   Greg Brock
379 Which song is this? The Dire Straits Tune "Money for Nothin'" (I want my MTV song)? Yup, I've heard it. Myriad times. Sultans of Swing is waaaayyyy better.
2006-06-22 23:12:33
383.   Uncle Miltie
376- I prefer "MTV Get Off the Air" by the Dead Kennedys
2006-06-22 23:13:23
384.   Bluebleeder87

gotta hear it (never heard)

2006-06-22 23:13:42
385.   natepurcell
2006-06-22 23:13:50
386.   Greg Brock
I prefer "MTV Get Off the Air" by everybody who has ever seen MTV.
2006-06-22 23:14:59
387.   Bluebleeder87

that's a cool name for a band "Dead Kennedys" there kind of an old band arent they

2006-06-22 23:15:32
388.   Greg Brock
Never heard Sultans of Swing? BLASPHEMY!

Yes, my personal religion is based on classic rock. It works for me.

2006-06-22 23:16:23
389.   natepurcell
If Vishal was here, we could talk music. He listens to alot of the same stuff I do.
2006-06-22 23:17:42
390.   Bluebleeder87
if I ever start a band I wanna name 'um "The No Goods" what do you think?
2006-06-22 23:18:49
391.   Greg Brock
390 I like it. My band would be Van Lingo Mungo.
2006-06-22 23:20:18
392.   Bluebleeder87
That name reminds me of Fonzi "corecto mundo"
2006-06-22 23:22:29
393.   natepurcell
My Band would be Anal Cunt.

.... Darn, I forgot that's already taken. Okay back to the drawing board.

2006-06-22 23:23:17
394.   Bluebleeder87
O.k. I'm out peeps, gotta wake up early tomorrow. late!
2006-06-22 23:24:05
395.   Greg Brock
393 I do believe the benevolent dictator might not like that very much. May I suggest Rusty Kuntz instead. It's a baseball name, it's an allusion to naughtiness, and it makes me laugh. Just a thought.
2006-06-22 23:25:32
396.   Bluebleeder87
My ex & I use too dream up names & one of them was "modern image" she loved that name.
2006-06-22 23:26:19
397.   Bluebleeder87
O.K. this time I'm really out. LATE!
2006-06-22 23:26:24
398.   natepurcell
It really is a band though Greg. They aren't very good, but they do earn a living under that name!
2006-06-22 23:26:27
399.   Greg Brock
Modern Image sounds very 80's New Wave...And possibly gay.
2006-06-22 23:28:36
400.   natepurcell

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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2006-06-22 23:29:21
401.   Uncle Miltie
393- LOL. How about the Butthole Surfers...nevermind, already taken.

387- they're from the 80s. Their most popular song is Holiday in Cambodia.

2006-06-22 23:29:44
402.   xaphor
Got back from the game. I went into it surprisingly optimistic and wasn't disappointed as it was a cracker. With Lowe giving up a couple of homers to the chafe I thought I would have to settle for seeing a dominating performance from King Felix. But Lowe pushed on and a couple of fielding errors seemed to unravel the young hurler who started giving up hits to everyone not named Kent and Nomar. We ended the skid and got in a complete game to boot. The only thing missing to make the day complete was a Bison sighting.

Did not stay for the Pink Spiders who according to some fans are a recently signed act Geffen Records is promoting. Judging by their rendition of Take Me Out to the Ball Game, I don't think I missed much.

Wishing everyone meeting up tomorrow a great game as well.

Me First and The Gimme Gimmes are responsible for some of the worst music I have heard in a long time :)

2006-06-22 23:31:08
403.   regfairfield
I decided to skip out on the Pink Spiders concert tonight after seeing they were three emaciated guys with black hair, black clothes, stupid haircuts.

My guess is their songs would have contained several mentions of the words "eyes", "love", and "bleeding".

2006-06-22 23:36:04
404.   Greg Brock
I don't want angst-ridden music from anybody who hasn't had to do quarterly taxes.
2006-06-22 23:36:33
405.   Uncle Miltie
398- just listened to one of their songs. To put it nicely, they are horrible. I'm not a fan of hardcore at all. AFI (Black Sails in the Sunset, The Art of Drowning) is the closest to hardcore that I listen to. I'm more into punk and ska.
2006-06-22 23:37:55
406.   natepurcell

Its crappy goregrind. There is a bunch better goregrind out there, although none of it would be appealing to the Dodger Thoughts community.

2006-06-22 23:41:52
407.   ToyCannon
Holiday in Cambodia by the Dead Kennedy's would have been the most played song in my ipod if such a thing had existed back then.
2006-06-22 23:52:20
408.   Linkmeister
404 Ok, that one got me. What's worse if having to pay the penalty because your cash flow is so bad you can't pay the quarterly estimates.
2006-06-22 23:52:49
409.   Linkmeister
Grrr. "is" having to pay...
2006-06-23 00:01:02
410.   thinkingblue
I think N'sync is pretty cool, how about you? Not really into N'sync.... Backstreet Boys are better

N'sync? Backstreet(door) boys? Well, I've been to those concerts too. As well as Madonna, 98degrees, AND Aaron Carter. I have nothing against those people.

Sincerely, Ozzie.

2006-06-23 00:07:57
411.   Greg Brock
410 Nice
2006-06-23 00:08:51
412.   thinkingblue
351, 353, 356.

Rock and roll, especially Led Zeppelin.

2006-06-23 00:10:17
413.   thinkingblue
Gotta like those air quotes Ozzie gave out during his "apology."
2006-06-23 00:11:15
414.   Steve
Trade Fur-kel.


2006-06-23 00:12:57
415.   thinkingblue

of course you know that was a reference to Ozzie's latest episode. there's always something Ozzie does to get himself in the news, and it usually involves AJ Perzinski (bad spelling), hitting someone, or calling out people at random. sorry if you took it the wrong wayl

2006-06-23 00:13:11
416.   natepurcell
"I'm not going to rent a player for 12 or 15 starts to give away a minor league prospect who could be a future big league All-Star," says Colletti. "Things are going to have to change in the next month from what I see out there available today. We're not going to make a trade just to make one."
2006-06-23 00:14:08
417.   thinkingblue

Like anyone wants a 13 million dollar short stop hitting about .260, and with 15 errors.

2006-06-23 00:14:58
418.   thinkingblue
As long as we don't get another "proven" closer from Tampa.
2006-06-23 00:16:21
419.   natepurcell
"Earlier in the year, he was taking a lot more pitches and getting more walks, and that's when he scored the majority of his runs," Little said of Furcal, who dealt with nagging injuries in April.

Little isn't as dumb as he looks so it seems.

2006-06-23 00:17:01
420.   Steve
Quite a few people wanted a 13 million dollar shortstop hitting about .260 and with 15 errors. I can name them.
2006-06-23 00:20:42
421.   regfairfield
On June 23rd last year, Furcal was hitting .225/.278/.344
2006-06-23 00:20:57
422.   thinkingblue
Little pretends he is just another stupid manager. I think he knows more than he lets on.
2006-06-23 00:22:31
423.   natepurcell

I actually agree. Grady has been far better then I thought he would be. He's also pretty funny and seems like the Anti-Tracy.

2006-06-23 00:24:09
424.   Greg Brock
Grittle = Hick Lou Brown

I like the guy.

2006-06-23 00:26:21
425.   natepurcell
He also has the best/funniest manager's walk to the mound and back.
2006-06-23 00:35:47
426.   Steve
Grittle - yay

Tomko - boo

Baez - Bay of Pigs

2006-06-23 00:55:15
427.   Uncle Miltie
Tracy=a puerile ninny
Grits=deceptively brilliant

I actually found a video of Jimbo on who wants to be a millionaire

2006-06-23 02:28:08
428.   thinkblue0
nate, if you like explosions in the sky and godspeed! you'll absolutely love Do Make Say Think.
2006-06-23 02:35:37
429.   natepurcell
Do Make Say Think isn't bad at all. I just like the other bands better. Since they are all relatively the same, I didn't want to list all of them.
2006-06-23 03:10:02
430.   bhsportsguy
Dodgers' Unsigned Top 15 2006 Draft picks:
4th Round Kyle Orr 1B (High School)
8th Round Tommy Giles OF (Sr Miami U.)
10th Round Andy D'Alessio 1B (Jr. Clemson)
13th Round Nicholas Akins SS (High School)
14th Round Alex White RHP (High School)
15th Round Gorman Erickson (High School)

The Dodgers have already signed two lower drafted catchers so they might not be in that big a hurry to sign Erickson. Giles and D'Alessio both played in the College World Series and D'Alessio will want more than slot to sign.

Orr is being "advised" by Matt Sosnick who was Hochevar's agent for about an hour.

My hunch is that Orr, Giles and maybe one of the other three will sign but it will take a big money to sign them.

2006-06-23 03:20:28
431.   bhsportsguy
Some additional notes on Dodger draft picks, this is from a story about Alex White shortly after the draft.

"But the Dodgers elected to take White — a decision that could result in a late-summer push by the team to sign the 6-foot-3, 185-pound right-hander who is now playing American Legion baseball with Pitt County Post 39.

"We've talked with them and we know they're going to kind of follow me throughout the summer to see how I play and how I'm throwing the ball," Alex White said of the Dodgers organization. "If they feel like I'm right for them at the end of the summer, they'll offer me. They know the price and they're very open about that. I think that's why they want to watch me over the summer and be sure I'm worth it to them from a business standpoint."

White began drawing major interest from pro scouts after his fastball jumped from an average of high 80s in 2005 to the mid 90s in his latest campaign. He did nothing to disappoint them in his final year, compiling a 10-0 record with 136 strikeouts and a 0.59 earned run average in 76 2/3 innings pitched. White also finished with a team-high .488 batting average, 13 home runs and 28 runs batted in for the Vikings, giving him even more reason to possibly choose to play at UNC where he can potentially find a spot in the batting order when he's not pitching."

2006-06-23 06:13:59
432.   Sam DC
Dead Kennedys" there kind of an old band arent they


2006-06-23 06:26:51
433.   Sam DC
Post profile of Frank Robinson, with a good deal of skinny on his feud with Davey Johnson. Also has this: "I don't think people think I'm a very good manager, for whatever reason."

2006-06-23 06:31:35
434.   Sam DC
Ouch -- that article says that Robinson learned Johnson had been hired from a reporter who called him. Of Jim Bowden and Frank Robinson, Bowden bugs me more.

And Nationals Nation is salivating over this (Moreno says "trade the farm"):

2006-06-23 06:51:06
435.   da bums
"Too many times, we assign pop psychology or knee-jerk explanations without merit. We should aspire to do better than that - whether or not we're motivated to."

How odd. I think the same regarding the baseless Tracy criticism.

2006-06-23 07:27:10
436.   Sam DC
Well, I am shocked, shocked, that a reality show that "followed the lives of members of a book club in Scottsdale, Arizona" has been pulled by CBS after two airings.

2006-06-23 07:32:01
437.   Bob Timmermann
The best reality show will be the one showing the Dodger Thoughts group at tonight's game if the Pirates win.
2006-06-23 07:39:41
438.   D4P
Is tonight the DT meeting? I think I speak on behalf of all who cannot attend when I say WE WANT PICTURES!
2006-06-23 07:49:07
439.   Sam DC
"irreversible arthritic change" in poor Bill Mueller's knee -- that certainly doesn't sound too good.

2006-06-23 07:55:43
440.   Bob Timmermann
At best, I think, Mueller may come back after September 1 and maybe call it a day.

Too bad he ended up being Robin Ventura.

2006-06-23 08:00:37
441.   D4P
Too bad he ended up being Robin Ventura.

Without the pinch-hit grand slams.

2006-06-23 08:11:53
442.   LAT
I don't want angst-ridden music from anybody who hasn't had to do quarterly taxes.

Great line

2006-06-23 08:38:48
443.   Sam DC
Hey Bob -- I put this question in to Tom Boswell this morning: "Tom -- Will the Nationals ever start respecting the Expos retired numbers? The roster reports that Mike Stanton is wearing #30, but that's Tim Raines' retired number! (The Nationals web page even lists the old Expos retirees as "Nationals Retired Numbers.")."

Tom Boswell: I doubt it.

I'm SURE I'm wrong, but I have a hard time "recognizing" the Expos history properly. It's odd. The '05 Nationals, like the expansion Senators in the '60s, seem to have fallen out of the sky and dropped in Washington. One reason an existing team (Expos) and a made-from-scratch team (expansion Nats) can feel similar is because the Expos who arrived here were so UTTERLY unknown to American fans. After Jose Vodro, Livan Hernandez and, perhaps, Brad Wilkerson, who could even face five Montreal players from '04.

However, as an ex-Senators follower I sympathize with how the Expos former fans in Montreal must feel __all 173 of them.


Ouch ouch and ouch.

2006-06-23 08:39:33
444.   Marty
Uncle Miltie and Bad Religion is a combo I had not anticipated. I never got into them. I liked earlier bands like the Circle Jerks and Angry Samoans better.
2006-06-23 08:40:46
445.   ToyCannon
Minor League Update:
Vegas-In a battle of future stars between Vegas and Tuscon the baby Dodgers won 9-8 knocking around the Arizona number one pitching prospect Dustin Nippert while at the same time holding the big 3 of Drew/Quentin/Young 0-12. Loney picks up 3 more hits, Houlton got whacked himself and the Lance picked up the save.

Jacksonville-loses 4-2 as Brazel hits his 10th HR. The big news was the 1st game for 21 year old Wesley Wright as he struck out all 4 batters he faced in his 1st performance since being promoted from Vero Beach where he k'd 37 in 33 innings with a 1.08 ERA. A very promising debut for the lefty throwing Wright.

VeroBeach-continues to struggle, losing again with no note worthy performances.

Columbus-did not play

Short Season Leagues just started this week:
GCL Dodgers-lose 1st game 3-2 and are now 2-1. Preston Mattingly is playing SS.

Odgen- lost 16-2 and are 1-2 on the season. Players of note show Van Slyke playing RF and Eduardo Perez playing 1st. Perez started the year on Columbus but struggled. Headed into this year Perez was a player to keep an eye on.

2006-06-23 08:57:04
446.   thinkingblue
When do Kershaw and Morris start?
2006-06-23 09:13:41
447.   Jon Weisman
I'm really surprised no one else has rushed to mention that Stanford has won its 12th consecutive Directors' Cup.

UCLA is second.

2006-06-23 09:31:42
448.   Gen3Blue
TC nice minors summary.

For tonights DT meeting, as someone already
said PICTURES. All identifications with pics. should be voluntary.(or pre-approved?)
Does that make sense.

I can see why Unc.M likes Carl Crawford. Afraid we need an arm more, Patterson looks good--but he must be injured now. Whats his story?

2006-06-23 09:47:09
449.   ToyCannon
Comes off the DL today but he's been very fragile his whole career. When healthy he's a fav of mine but I don't think he'll have a healthy career. Worth owning but not worth paying a lot for.
2006-06-23 09:50:39
450.   blue22
444 - Nothing better than Bad Religion (80-85), Descendents, Minor Threat/Fugazi, and Operation Ivy. I could listen to this stuff 24/7.
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2006-06-23 09:50:43
451.   dzzrtRatt
Has the great Ross Newhan gone the Leonard Tose route? This morning's piece on Stoneman was a nightmare of incongruous run-on sentences. Was Randy Harvey afraid to edit him.

A sample:

And now, as the 2006 summer swiftly turns dark in Anaheim, as hopes fade for an offense that wasn't repaired after last season's struggle and the promise of a youthful restructuring hasn't been realized, as a collapsing defense suggests an inexplicable absence of focus and the calendar marches inexorably toward the July 31 trade deadline that Stoneman has largely ignored in the past and may again, public exposure seems certain to call on the GM whether he wants it or not.


Are the Angels already beyond the benefit of a deadline deal and does Stoneman see the value in at least negotiating a trade that would send his players a supportive message when, in fact, there have been only three largely anonymous deals in his six Julys and only one that bore second-half fruit, the 2002 acquisition of Alex Ochoa?

Bill Plaschke must be turning over in his grave. Or would be.

2006-06-23 09:53:26
452.   Vishal
man, why do i always miss the good music discussions.

hey nate, do you like red sparowes?

2006-06-23 09:58:58
453.   Jon Weisman
451 - First sentence doesn't bother me. I might have tinkered with the second one.
2006-06-23 09:59:26
454.   gcrl
late to the party, but i will throw my musical thoughts out there - for new music, i recommend clap your hands say yeah and the secret machines (they sound better live, in my opinion). old: talking heads, the jam and the clash. otherwise, nothing beats the mats and/or paul westerberg.
2006-06-23 10:02:53
455.   Jon Weisman
New post up top, but you can continue talking music down here if you want.
2006-06-23 10:05:36
456.   Jon Weisman
dzzrtRatt - can you send me an e-mail?
2006-06-23 14:11:40
457.   natepurcell
hey nate, do you like red sparowes?

actually, they are "eh" to me. I like bands like Pelican, Tides, This will Destroy you, Sparrows Swarm and Sing, and Isis and stuff more.

Red Sparrows is kind of boring too me. I do have their full length. Maybe I should listen to it again because they do have good pedigree with members of Isis and Neurosis. I think Tides is a better version of Red Sparrows if you haven't checked them out yet.

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