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Ivory Backscratchers for All
2006-12-15 08:37
by Jon Weisman

As The Griddle notes, Maury Brown of The Biz of Baseball has rounded up a hefty bunch of commentators - 30 in all - to discuss what's right and wrong with baseball. Here is my contribution:

To a certain extent, my love for baseball is irrational – it is love, after all. But while other passions in my life have come and gone, my relationship with baseball has been steadfast. Over the years, I've become invested in the characters of the game the way, I suppose, someone watching three decades of "All My Children" has. Baseball is one grand story to me – one of the grandest – and I cannot weed myself from the storyline that has brought us both Babe Ruth and Hiram Bocachica. The entrances and exits, the highs and lows, form an epic tapestry. I know that sounds full of itself, but that's how the game makes me feel.

Other sports offer the same potential to surprise, to offer the fantastic amid the quotidian – so what makes baseball special? My family had Los Angeles Rams season tickets when I was a kid, and I was a diehard fan of the Showtime Lakers – so why does baseball retain a greater hold on me? One of the great attractions of the game, I feel, is that it offers so many intermediate achievements besides winning. Just as one example, there is that satisfaction when your pitcher gets a first-pitch strike – followed by them opportunity to pause and savor (or conversely, to agonize when it goes against you). And then, another pitch, on which anything can happen. I'm not sure any sport does this as well. Basketball moves too fast to celebrate a simple pass, golf gives you too much time to ponder a shot. Other sports have their merits, and surely, some offer more pure
excitement, but baseball remains the ultimate game for me. The main thing that is right with baseball today is that it is baseball.

The game is not perfect, of course, nor is it the most popular in the United States anymore, and I do believe that the desire to solve these problems off the field actually leads to most people's dissatisfaction with it. It's a vicious circle of making the game worse while trying to make it better. That doesn't mean that the game shouldn't evolve – but that evolution for the sake of evolution is problematic.

I believe in players getting all the money they can, in getting paid what the market can bear. At the same time, my initial reaction to Juan Pierre's $44 million contract with the Dodgers was that surely, surely some of that money would be better spent on our local public school system. That contract, and others this offseason, were signs to me that baseball has more financial resources than it knows what to do with.

While I don't expect baseball owners to start donating more of their profits to support the nation's infrastructure, I think baseball can and should make different choices, and invest its top layer of profits back into the game. Baseball has sold much of its control of the game to the broadcasters that cover it. I would suggest, perhaps naively, that baseball buy back some of that control, in the form of taking lower network rights fees in exchange for earlier start times for postseason games, shorter commercial breaks and other fan-friendly adjustments. Doing so, in my mind, would feed the future of baseball more profitably than the current situation, which discourages people of all generations from investing in a game, a playoff, a season that will end past their bedtimes. (It's not just kids, mind you – people of all ages have trouble staying up for the final pitch in October, even on the West Coast, let alone the East.)

There are other things right and wrong with baseball, but I think they're mostly secondary in importance to baseball's underlying motivation – instead of chasing dollars as a means to draw more fans, it should take the more profitable and digestible strategy of chasing fans as a means to earn dollars. The sport doesn't need to jazz up the game between the lines – it just needs to take a deep breath outside the lines.

In some ways, baseball has a self-esteem problem. Ever since it stopped being the definitive national pastime, it keeps trying to regain that status. Baseball needs to be prouder of what it is. That doesn't mean MLB shouldn't market the game, but better to do so with a new baseball field in the inner city and a 7 p.m. start time for Game 7 than another ivory backscratcher for the owners and the players. Because if baseball can stand tall, in the end, there will be ivory backscratchers for everyone.

There are a great many good ideas offered, so take a look. By the way, I know ivory is bad.

* * *

I really enjoyed Thursday's chat in the "A Strikeout's as Good as a Hit?" thread. Among the interesting comments:

39. Ken Arneson
I don't think (Are there good pitches to swing at that are not strikes?) is the crux of it at all. Of course, you don't want your batter to swing at balls. The crux is whether you want the batter to swing at the first hittable strike, or the first drivable strike. And the answer to that question depends on the game context.

And ...

165. John Siv
Say Drew's normal approach nets him a hit 28% of the time and a walk 11% of the time. He's got some pop, too, while striking out about 22% of the time. Good bat. Sweet, sweet swing.

Flash to the game: Runner's on third, just stole third, in fact, with less than two out. Game's close. Pitcher's shaken. I'm telling you, he's shaken here. Crowd's up, they sense it. Drew knows it, and sets for the pitch.

His normal approach will score the guy some percentage of the time, call it 38%. I'm just making this up. It's not critical. It's not the drama.

What if Drew, keyed into the game situation, cognizant of his team standing in the dugout, eyeing his mate who just swiped that bag in a close, close play in which bone crushed and flesh tore and heart was laid bare, changed his approach? Not his swing—oh that sweet, sweet song of a swing—no, no, just his approach. What if he risks it all to score the runner? Forget the lure of power, don't even worry about getting a hit, and just try to advance one man ninety feet? Is it at all possible that he can change his profile to get a hit, say, 20% of the time, a walk 7% of the time, but score the runner, oh I don't know, 46% of the time? Sure his K-rate will likely rise as well to 28% perhaps, but is this at all possible?

This seems to be the heart of the point made in Jon's piece.

If Drew can make this alteration, then isn't it worth it? Doesn't he owe it to the crowd, his team, his craft? The game's close, remember—if that were not the case then the whole calculus may shift. But if the situation calls for it, if the real percentages prescribe a beneficial expectation, then shouldn't he do that? Shouldn't any ballplayer take that shot?

Remember, if he does this, then he will strike out more often and walk less. Probably hit more weak outs, too. That's just part of the deal, part of the life of this game. Can't have it all, even with a swing favored by an angel.

So, is a strikeout better than a walk or a hit? Of course not. May a strikeout be an indication he is changing his approach optimally, however? And, if such a change is both possible and desireable, then may a strikeout be a sign of Drew making the proper play? And may a walk be an indication he is not changing his approach, and thus making the improper play?

May that be what folks mean when they intuit that a K is better than a BB in that situation?

I agree with Ken's assessment, because I believe such a change is possible. I have no evidence for this, of course. Just feeling. Just hope, frankly. If I'm completely off base, then I'd love to learn why.

But what a swing. My my. What a sweet, sweet swing.

I think these are among the best arguments against settling, so to speak, for a walk, though I still find a walk to be a satisfactory outcome. In John Siv's situation, for example, a walk will only increase the drama for the next batter.

But the comments from Thursday still have me thinking. It might seem an esoteric topic, but I really enjoyed it.

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2006-12-15 09:28:49
1.   Eric Enders
Great comment, Jon. I particularly agree on the part about taking less money to gain back control of how the game is televised. I've been saying that for years. I think the problem is, the way baseball works now, most owners are in it for the short-end money grab. They want to buy a team, pump up its value a little bit, and then sell it a few years later for more than they bought it for. In these days where there is no longer an O'Malley or a Busch family owning the team for a lifetime, the owners have almost no incentive to look out for the long-term health of the game. They have tremendous incentive to go after the immediate dollar, future consequences be damned.

After reading the other comments over there, I have only one question: Is there any baseball person more out of touch than Buzzie Bavasi? (And I say this not in a mean way, but as someone who has a fondness for him. He just seems like the grandfather who likes nothing better than to gripe about how the world has all gone to hell in a handbasket.)

Big pic of Russell Martin on the front page of right now, BTW. Nice article on Logan & Co. too.

2006-12-15 09:29:47
2.   ToyCannon
The thread below is why I read DT.

The current column is also why I read DT.

I think Jon has earned his Christmas bonus this year.

2006-12-15 09:29:49
3.   D4P
I think the problem is, the way baseball works now, most owners are in it for the short-end money grab. They want to buy a team, pump up its value a little bit, and then sell it a few years later for more than they bought it for

Capitalism ruins everything.

2006-12-15 09:36:22
4.   Eric Enders
I also want to add that I find John Siv's comment 165 to be really great. I might have missed it had Jon not pointed it out.
2006-12-15 09:43:10
5.   ryu

How did Joel Zumaya hurt his wrist during the playoffs? The Tigers concluded "Zumaya's injury resulted from playing a video game, not from his powerful throwing motion."

2006-12-15 09:49:31
6.   Honoluludodger
Jon, great comment. I am proud to participate on this board.


2006-12-15 09:54:26
7.   Eric Enders
So the Bagwell retirement is official now. I'm not one for gimmick appearances, but I think it would be cool if they gave him one at-bat in September so he and Biggio could be inducted into the HOF together.
2006-12-15 10:14:48
8.   Gen3Blue
Very nice topic. Inseparable from my love of baseball is my loyalty to this Dodger franchise that at times is unlovable and has long ungulations between highs and lows.
Even during long dry spells, there always seems to be reasons for interest, amusement and even pride.
Even when the overall team has been weak, there is something to excite, like the infield of Beltre, Cora and Izzy. Wild one of a kind games are always possible: The four cons. HRs, Multiple homers by a stumpy outfielder who isn't in the long plan, an outfielder with an amazing arm throwing a guy out at the plate or throwing over the backstop on the rise.
And the good times watching Sandy, Maury or Kurt, or Bulldog assuring victory. I hope there is high time coming for the D's, but wether or not,I know i'll be watching.
2006-12-15 11:07:20
9.   Bill Simms
Jon, I haven't read all of the article in question, probably half. Your post is so much more eloquent than the others I read. You are the Roger Angell of the blogosphere.
2006-12-15 11:14:55
10.   Daniel Zappala
I didn't get a chance to chime in on the previous thread. I remember back to this past summer, when my 10-year-old was playing Little League. At that age, you get a lot of walks. One of the biggest problems for my son's team was that the kids were so used to getting walks, they were becoming too passive, and not taking the chance to swing at good pitches. Many innings they would get a couple runners on base via walks, only to have subsequent batters strike out.

As the season wore on, and the losses piled up, the passivity became so bad that it became apparent that the main way the team would score runs would be if they got a walk with the bases loaded. The other teams, meanwhile, would get hits, driving in even more runs than a series of walks could possibly plate.

The coaches started telling the kids to be more aggressive, and I found myself giving the same advice to my son, while trying to balance that with the perspective that a good eye and a patient approach are good skills to have.

Part of the idea with encouraging an aggressive approach at the plate was that these were kids. It really didn't matter if they won or lost. More important, they needed to learn how to hit, and it was likewise important that they gained confidence from finding that they really could hit if they tried.

To bring this back to MLB, as a fan I find it very frustrating when a player known for his patient approach takes a pitch that looks right down the plate and easy to hit. I find myself wanting that player to swing, to try to get on base. I find myself telling that player to take a more aggressive approach, the same as I counseled my son.

Thinking about it another way, a walk is usually due to a pitcher making a mistake. Many hits are also due to a pitcher's mistake, leaving a pitch out over the plate, for example. If you need to take advantage of a pitcher's mistake to get on base, then use the mistakes over the plate as much as you use mistakes outside the strike zone. It takes only one mistake in the zone to get a hit, but you must rely on four mistakes outside the zone to get a walk.

2006-12-15 11:23:23
11.   bigcpa
I have to agree with Neyer as far as what's wrong with MLB... The mainstream media is lagging well behind the fans in how it covers the sport.

ESPN and Fox have modernized broadcasts in some good ways: pitch tracker, pitch sequence replays, x-slo-mo is neat. But they're still force-feeding us 1980's quality analysis. And no, just giving Gammons and Olney a blog doesn't cut it. I want to see Neyer arguing with Steve Phillips in the BB Tonight studio!

2006-12-15 11:26:47
12.   bhsportsguy
9 Wow, what a compliment, I only hope to be Jon Weisman of the Blogosphere.

For those who are too young to know Roger Angell, Google him, go to and buy one of his collections. You will not be disappointed.

Around this time of year, his annual baseball piece appears in the New Yorker.

2006-12-15 11:28:15
13.   Bob Timmermann
You might want to see Neyer arguing with Phillips, but I've met Rob several times and talked to him frequently and he wouldn't be nearly as persuasive on TV as Phillips.

In print, Neyer destroys him. Phillips is more TV-friendly.

2006-12-15 11:33:10
14.   bigcpa
13 OK so find me a sabermetrician that orates like Barack Obama.
2006-12-15 11:35:42
15.   Sushirabbit
When Best of Dodger Thoughts comes out, I hope that last thread is in it.

Baseball is a game of adjustments. Take all that was in that piece and its comments and add the spirit of 10, that is even at the MLB levels guys can still learn to take an at bat in a new way. If you take the first pitches too many times or in a predictable pattern, it gets figured out quickly, the same way people figure out when a guy like Penny is really apt to throw his "out" pitch and then they can gain an edge by looking for it. Add to the situation the way the opposing battery might respond just adds to the complexity.

I love the game's complexity and unpredictability.

2006-12-15 11:37:55
16.   Sushirabbit
uhm, I meant that to be BoDT #2 comes out... I'm planning on getting it whenever that is.
2006-12-15 11:39:11
17.   Greg Brock
14 Brian Kinney on ESPN is a very statistically inclined guy. Unfortunately, he's an anchor, so he doesn't get to chat it up most of the time. Sometimes, Kinney interviews Steve Phillips, and the comedy is gold. GOLD. Kinney will bring up VORP OR Win Shares, and Phillips is pretty much frozen. Good stuff.

His chats with Sheehan are always fun. But Sheehan never seems to smile. Like, ever.

2006-12-15 11:39:52
18.   ToyCannon
Rob is to nice a guy. I'd pay to see D4P winging some lung flem at Kruk when he mentions that Eckstein is the most important player on the Cardinals. I tried to time this post just around lunch time for everyone. No need to thank me.
2006-12-15 11:40:42
19.   D4P
I'd pay to see D4P winging some lung flem at Kruk when he mentions that Eckstein is the most important player on the Cardinals

How much...?

2006-12-15 11:41:47
20.   ToyCannon
About the same amount you pay Jon to read his stuff.
2006-12-15 11:45:07
21.   D4P
What are you trying to say...?
2006-12-15 11:46:07
22.   Greg Brock
You guys don't pay a 20$ a month subscriber fee?

Jon, I think I have a bone to pick with you...

2006-12-15 11:52:18
23.   Bob Timmermann
I send Jon a yearly tribute of six chickens, two sheep, and the gall bladder of a yak.
2006-12-15 11:54:45
24.   ToyCannon
Those gall bladders command a high price in LA. Hard to find a Yak much less a gall bladder in a Yak.
2006-12-15 11:55:10
25.   D4P
and the gall bladder of a yak

Come January, you may be able to diversify this segment of the contribution...

2006-12-15 11:55:22
26.   Jon Weisman
22 - Everyone who bought TBODT got a free 2006 subscription to DT.
2006-12-15 11:56:25
27.   Bob Timmermann
I already asked and was turned down.
2006-12-15 11:59:33
28.   Greg Brock
26 I just want a Dodger Thoughts fleece pullover.
2006-12-15 12:00:52
29.   D4P
I don't think of "fleece" as a very "LA" kinda fabric...
2006-12-15 12:01:26
30.   berkowit28
12. Angell's piece appeared a couple of weeks ago - Nov. 27 issue - focussing mostly on the NLCS Cards vs. Mets. Evocative as ever.
2006-12-15 12:02:49
31.   Greg Brock
29 Fine. Then I want unlimited hours and text messaging on my Dodger Thoughts Mobile.

It's an idea that can't fail!

2006-12-15 12:20:52
32.   Bob Timmermann
The Griddle Mobile service comes with one free hour of calls per day, but it changes at random each day. It also has a choice of ringtones. The Frank Robinson one is very popular.
2006-12-15 12:21:33
33.   dianagramr

ROFL ....

I can just picture Jon in the Dodger Stadium stands for a commercial pimping the Dodger Thoughts Mobile ... :-)

2006-12-15 12:23:47
34.   Sam DC
Given that he's been trying to get a t-shirt commissioned for more than two years, I'm a little worried about the lead time for DT mobile.
2006-12-15 12:34:46
35.   Eric Enders
32 Bob's Frank Robinson ringtone is a little too long, I think.
(warning... definitely NSFW)

Clearly Bob has way too much time on his hands.

2006-12-15 12:34:48
36.   Jon Weisman
T-shirt ball is in my court.

I find my court overwhelming to me.

2006-12-15 12:52:16
37.   ToyCannon
You need to delegate, I expect a gaggle of DT posters would volunteer to help out the T-Shirt effort. The talent here is the best in the land. Lawyers, Programmers, Writers, Technologists, and graphic Artists. Use them like we use you to get through the day.
2006-12-15 12:52:29
38.   Eric Enders
And in other news, it appears Springsteen has finally found a way to summon that energy and vitality his shows have been lacking since the early 1970s:

2006-12-15 12:52:54
39.   Eric Enders
37 Didn't we try that already?
2006-12-15 13:03:12
40.   Benaiah
39 - Didn't that end up with awesome Team Depo shirts? Delegate please. I have no talents whatsoever, but I would happily contribute my time. Thus the Catch-22, the time of people who have marketable talents is valuable, while the people who have no talent can give it away for free.
2006-12-15 13:11:40
41.   Disabled List
I send Jon a yearly tribute of six chickens, two sheep, and the gall bladder of a yak.

I think Colletti proposed trading Toby Hall to the Phillies for that. The gall bladder was a sticking point.

2006-12-15 13:20:22
42.   Jon Weisman
The design - actually, designs - are pretty much done. I just needed to make one final decision, which I keep putting off in favor of more immediate concerns.
2006-12-15 13:31:05
43.   das411
Guys!!! I finally discovered just how Eric Gagne injured himself...he was way ahead of Joel Zumaya:

41 - Thanks for taking Lieberthal though!

2006-12-15 13:46:01
44.   D4P
Eckstein talking about his book RIGHT NOW on Jim Rome's ESPN program.
2006-12-15 13:47:20
45.   dianagramr

... you apparently stopped at the Whizzo Chocolate Company factory ...

2006-12-15 14:08:38
46.   Marty
Happy Holiday of your choice fundraiser:

I just made a small donation to the site. But for some reason I'm filled with the holiday spirit (not spirits), and want to do something more.

So, to encourage DT posters to contribute to the site, I'm willing to match up to $200 (hey, I'm not made out of money) of other donations.

This doesn't mean you can't contribute more but it's a little incentive.

Just drop me an email at when you make a contribution. I'll track the responses and match the amounts up to $200 total.

Please don't think there is any pressure to contribute if you don't want to/can't afford to. It's perfectly fine.

2006-12-15 14:42:27
47.   Peanuts in My Shoes
Rocky Mountain News: "Rocco Baldelli has been a primary target for the Rockies from the start of the offseason, but the Devil Rays would want two quality arms and a shortstop to give up the run-producing center fielder."

We have those pieces (as long as Tomko or Hendy are considered "quality" arms)

2006-12-15 14:45:58
48.   Marty
46 Continued.

Please put DodgerThoughts in the subject of the email. That way I can find it amongst all the spam I get. Thanks.

2006-12-15 15:17:03
49.   Jon Weisman
Hey, Marty - thanks so much. You didn't have to do that. (And still don't, if you sober up ...)
2006-12-15 15:27:46
50.   Marty
Sorry Jon, the train has left the station. I'm already getting emails about contributions. You're just gonna have to suck it up and take the money.
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2006-12-15 15:46:27
51.   Eric L
10 Daniel -

Every year our local baseball league has a coaches clinic with the kids and coaching staff from UC Riverside.

One of the things the head coach encourages for the younger kids is that they have an aggressive approach at the plate. His idea is that they still aren't old enough to have developed really good plate discipline. He says that through trial and error, the kids develop an idea of what a hittable pitch is.

I'm sure he's just about the exact opposite with his college kids, but I think it is an interesting theory. Kids in your sons age group just haven't seen enough pitches yet to really know their zone and all that other jazz.

2006-12-15 16:02:10
52.   trainwreck
What if Pierre started reading Dodger fan sites to see how they think of him?
2006-12-15 16:07:57
53.   dkminnick
10, 51 - In our youth league, the kids are basically taught to be swing away and be very aggressive at ages 6, 7 and 8. At age 9 the kids are encouraged to think more about the zone. At 0-0, 1-0, and 2-0 you only swing at YOUR pitch, right where you like it. At 3-0 it depends on the hitter and the situation/score. As you get strikes called on you the strike zone essentially gets larger, so when you have two strikes on you, you're swinging at anything close. This seems to be an effective teaching approach for the early years.

Forgive me if this is too obvious to have posted.

2006-12-15 16:08:16
54.   Ken Arneson
51 Back in February, I heard A's pitching coach Curt Young say something similar about teaching young pitchers the proper throwing techniques. He said just tape up a strike zone on a wall, and have the kid try to throw strikes. That's it. Through pure trial and error, the kid will usually subconsiously find the proper mechanics by simply learning to throw strikes. You usually don't need to make it any more complicated than that.
2006-12-15 16:21:38
55.   Eric Enders
54 Sort of like the old Branch Rickey "hang a tire from a tree and make 'em throw through it" exercise.
2006-12-15 16:28:35
56.   Eric Enders
Happy 80th, Carl Erskine!
2006-12-15 16:41:25
57.   Greg Brock
Pretty much the coolest thing ever:

2006-12-15 16:42:42
58.   El Lay Dave
1 Fortuitously enough, Bavasi's essay appears immediately after the one that mentions BITGODs. Often, publically-held businesses that must be "responsive to stockholders" operate under different principles than privately-held ones that are trying to meet ownerships goals (that may be short-term or long-term). If the McCourts are in for the long-term, one might expect different decisions compared to, say, the Tribune Co's operation of the Cubs. Or Fox's of the Dodgers.

7 Biggio and Bagwell might not be inducted in the same vote anyway; might not both be first-ballot HOFers.

46 Marty, that is generous of you. I'll consider, but I am still determining DT's VORB.

2006-12-15 16:51:24
59.   ssjames
58 That is nonsense, everyone knows that DT'S VORB over the last three years has been:

2004: 57.9 VORB
2005: 79.3 VORB
2006: 81.2 VORB

Everyone knows that those are hall of fame VORB's, assuming that DT that can keep it up for the next couple of years.

2006-12-15 16:51:33
60.   Eric Enders
58 Hmm. I'd never even considered the possibility that either Bagwell or Biggio might not make it on the first ballot. I'd like to see an argument against either one of them that holds any water at all. To me, they're the very definition of first-ballot Hall of Famers.
2006-12-15 16:56:19
61.   Eric Enders
57 Brought to you, apparently, by the Willie Davis For the Hall of Fame campaign.
2006-12-15 16:57:57
62.   Sagehen
60 Bagwell didn't make it to 500 homers. He was only on 4 all-star teams.

They both played for Houston.

I didn't say these arguments made sense, or that I agree with them, but I'm willing to bet that Bagwell's HR total gets held against him.

2006-12-15 17:03:57
63.   Marty
In order to calculate VORB, RB has to exist. So, by defininition VORB is undefined. It's like trying to divide by zero.
2006-12-15 17:06:56
64.   Greg Brock
Man, that B-R site is too fun. You can move any player's stats to any park in any year.

I'm going to see what Ruth would do at Coors field of the 90's.

Then I'm gonna put Bob Gibson at Petco. This is too much fun.

2006-12-15 17:13:02
65.   GoBears
64. Wow. Bonds would have 788 HRs, Ruth 744, and Mays 717 in neutral conditions.
2006-12-15 17:14:17
66.   Greg Brock
Ruth's 1921 season at Coors:

73 HR
227 RBI
179 Walks
1.480 OPS

2006-12-15 17:17:05
67.   GoBears
227 RBI?! Yowza.
2006-12-15 17:20:40
68.   Greg Brock
Neutralized Career ERA:

Walter Johnson--2.46
Pedro Martinez--2.71


2006-12-15 17:23:13
69.   Eric Enders
If 2000 Pedro Martinez pitched at Dodger Stadium in 1968:

22-3, 0.98 ERA, 230.7 IP, 98 H, 301 K

In fact, if Pedro Martinez had spent his career at Dodger Stadium during the 1960s, we would all pretty much be saying "Sandy who?"

2006-12-15 17:27:38
70.   Greg Brock
Ted Williams 1941 batting average, Coors Field, 2000:



2006-12-15 17:30:44
71.   Eric Enders
Pedro's career, extrapolated to 1968 Dodger Stadium

1992 0-0 W-L, 2.35 ERA
1993 9-3, 1.74
1994 15-9, 2.17
1995 16-10, 2.22
1996 15-10, 2.28
1997 23-5, 1.28
1998 20-7, 1.72
1999 21-4, 1.14
2000 22-3, 0.98
2001 10-3, 1.44
2002 18-5, 1.40
2003 18-4, 1.30
2004 16-10, 2.17
2005 17-8, 1.94
2006 7-8, 2.92
Totals 227-89, 1.75

2006-12-15 17:32:58
72.   Greg Brock
Now that BR has created this program, I am reminded of a note from Apocalypse Now.

Sell the house
Sell the car
Sell the kids.
I'm never coming home.

I may have to quit my job and just do this forever.

2006-12-15 17:34:29
73.   Andrew Shimmin
The worst miscarriage of justice in the history of the world, the MVP race of 1997, neutralized:

Larry Walker- 337/.420/.663 43 HRs
Mike Piazza- .374/.444/.660 42 HRs

2006-12-15 17:36:07
74.   Greg Brock
Larry Walker is Forrest Gump.
Piazza is Shawshank.
2006-12-15 17:40:24
75.   D4P
Bonds would have 788 neutral condition

How neutral...?

2006-12-15 17:40:35
76.   Greg Brock
Gagne's 2003 season in 1968 (Dodger Stadium):

8-1, .96 ERA, .605 WHIP
84 IP, 146 strikeouts

2006-12-15 17:43:13
77.   Bob Timmermann
Then who was "Pulp Fiction"?

Why is Mike Piazza being compared to sentimental piffle?

2006-12-15 17:45:03
78.   Greg Brock
77 Blasphemy

I love Pulp Fiction, but come on. Shawshank, man. Shawshank.

2006-12-15 17:50:33
79.   Greg Brock
Bert Blyleven's career, neutral

318 wins
228 losses
3727 strikeouts
3.58 ERA

2006-12-15 17:51:34
80.   gpellamjr
78 Good point, but really? Shawshank? I mean, c'mon, man! Shawshank?
2006-12-15 17:52:53
81.   Greg Brock
80 I never thought of it that way.
2006-12-15 17:58:27
82.   Greg Brock
Mario Mendoza's 1979 season (Dodger Stadium '68)

Robust .392 OPS.

2006-12-15 17:59:58
83.   Icaros
Pulp Fiction spawned a billion more copycats than did either Gump or Shank. It'll go down as the most important film of those three, imo.
2006-12-15 18:01:02
84.   dianagramr
George Brett would have hit .403 in 1980!
2006-12-15 18:01:39
85.   dianagramr

Please share this news with the BBWAA HOF voters

2006-12-15 18:02:18
86.   Greg Brock
I could argue that Easy Rider was the most important movie of the 1960's.

Pulp Fiction was great, and I may even concede "most important" tag. Not the best.

2006-12-15 18:03:01
87.   gpellamjr
81 I'm glad you were open-minded enough to consider my way of looking at this.
2006-12-15 18:05:27
88.   dianagramr
Gil Meche's career ...

ERA 4.46 (neutral) 4.65 (actual)
WHIP 1.397 (neutral) 1.439 (actual)

Still not worth $55 million ....

2006-12-15 18:07:27
89.   Eric Enders
My top 5 films of the 1990s

1. Se7en
2. JFK
3. Lone Star
4. Pulp Fiction
5. Hmm... Fargo? L.A. Confidential? Silence of the Lambs? As much as I like those, I'm gonna go with Before Sunrise.

2006-12-15 18:07:37
90.   Icaros

Best is pointless to argue.

Some people think Kirsten Dunst is super hot. The chemicals in my brain disagree, but what argument can really made for or against her?

2006-12-15 18:08:22
91.   Greg Brock
Eric does not like dancing. Or wolves, for that matter.
2006-12-15 18:08:39
92.   Icaros
can really be made
2006-12-15 18:10:59
93.   Greg Brock
Best is pointless to argue.

Why can't it just be fun?

2006-12-15 18:14:03
94.   Icaros

With you, it's always fun.

2006-12-15 18:17:34
95.   gpellamjr
93 Who said pointless isn't fun? I study Latin and Greek.
2006-12-15 18:17:54
96.   dianagramr
Pete Rose picks up another 410 hits in his career!
2006-12-15 18:20:32
97.   Greg Brock
Stat neutralization proves Mark Hendrickson is AWESOME.

{waits for Steve}

2006-12-15 18:22:23
98.   Marty
My favorite movies of the Nineties:

1. Miller's Crossing
2. Unforgiven
3. Boogie Nights
4. Big Night
5. Fargo

2006-12-15 18:23:44
99.   Icaros

I'm glad you appreciate Boogie Nights.

2006-12-15 18:27:32
100.   Icaros
And remember folks, Goodfellas was 1990, so feel free to add it to your lists.
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2006-12-15 18:29:16
101.   Sam DC
Current odds to win the World Series:

Dodgers, As, Phillies, Oakland all the same.
Nationals are, um, last, and 10 x less likely than those four.

2006-12-15 18:29:56
102.   Sam DC
For entertainment purposes only, of course.
2006-12-15 18:30:36
103.   dianagramr
Oddly enough .... it appears J.D. Drew's basic statline can't be neutralized!
2006-12-15 18:30:44
104.   Bob Timmermann
When Xeifrank comes by to complain of movie talk here, I will, in the words of Frank Robinson, point out that somebody else started it.
2006-12-15 18:32:48
105.   Eric Enders
91 I do, actually, and almost listed it.
2006-12-15 18:35:19
106.   Sam DC
"Vidro Trade Temporarily Put on Hold." (At

Seems Vidro had plane trouble or something.

Nats nation really hoping Bavasi doesn't use this opportunity to start reading the blogs.

And on a sideways note, Dan Evans had a decent reputation as Dodgers GM,no? He hasn't had much luck saving Bavasi from himself of late.

2006-12-15 18:36:42
107.   Greg Brock
Dan Evans is sort of the George Lazenby of Dodger GM's.

I think Evans was fine. No complaints.

2006-12-15 18:38:07
108.   trainwreck
My 5 favorite 90's films that I can think of off the top of my head...

1. Big Lebowski
2. Once Were Warriors
3. Kids
4. eXistenZ
5. Dead Alive

2006-12-15 18:38:37
109.   Marty
Good Fellas and Miller's Crossing were the same year. I preferred the latter. Though the tracking shot when "Then he kissed me" was playing is brilliant. I'm guessing it inspired the tracking shot for the opening of Boogie Nights.
2006-12-15 18:39:55
110.   Icaros
How could we ever complain about the man who brought us Cesar Izturis?

(Of course, that was a good trade for LA)

2006-12-15 18:42:47
111.   overkill94
Top 5 from any decade is really tough...but I'll give it a shot.

1. The Big Lebowski
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Dazed and Confused
4. Swingers
5. Goodfellas

Just missing the cut: Office Space, There's Something About Mary, Wayne's World, Shawshank Redemption, Boogie Nights

2006-12-15 18:45:02
112.   Greg Brock
Favorite 10 movies of the 90's (Subject to change each day, no rankings)

Dances With Wolves
The Big Lebowski
LA Confidential
The Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
Silence of the Lambs

2006-12-15 18:45:47
113.   overkill94
108 Are you from New Zealand or are your choices of Once Were Warriors and Dead Alive just a coincidence?
2006-12-15 18:48:03
114.   trainwreck
Nope. Big fan of Peter Jackson's early work and Once Were Warriors is just great.
2006-12-15 18:48:09
115.   Jason in Canada
Top 5 favorite films
1. Shawshank redemption
2. Braveheart
3. That thing you do.
4. Nacho Libre
5. Hotel Rwanda

Not that anybody asked me.

2006-12-15 18:48:28
116.   Steve
Dances With Wolves

Oh Lord, this is 1,000 times worse than anything you can say about Mark Hendrickson.

2006-12-15 18:49:18
117.   Steve
It's like the Julio Lugo of movies. Mark Hendrickson is more like Baby Geniuses II.
2006-12-15 18:49:39
118.   Greg Brock
116 Wow. Not a fan?
2006-12-15 18:50:20
119.   Marty
112 Interesting. I'd forgotten about Heat, I really like that movie. LA Confidential is very close. I hated JFK, Dances with Wolves and Rushmore. Lebowski may ultimately end up on my list. Certainly the funniest movie of the 90's. Shawshank is OK, but I have to mark it down because of Stephen King. He is Frank Robinson to me.
2006-12-15 18:50:58
120.   Marty
117 Very good.
2006-12-15 18:51:06
121.   Indiana Jon
Favorite movie of the 90's


I guess maybe you have to be from Indiana?

2006-12-15 18:52:43
122.   Andrew Shimmin
My top five, more or less.

1. 301/302
2. Mo' Better Blues
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Groundhog Day
5. Magnolia

2006-12-15 18:53:05
123.   Jason in Canada
Someone have a problem with Baby Geniuses II?
2006-12-15 18:53:15
124.   trainwreck
I would have put a Takeshi Kitano movie, but it is hard for me to pick which one.
2006-12-15 18:53:46
125.   Icaros

That's sort of how I feel. I see Rushmore up there and think, "Hey, a kindred spirit." Then I see Dances With Wolves and Unforgiven and think, "Oh, just another boring old man."

And then he leaves Pulp Fiction out of the top ten just to spite me.

2006-12-15 18:53:49
126.   Greg Brock
Crap. I thought Magnolia was 2000. It's 1999.

Bump Usual Suspects, add Magnolia.

2006-12-15 18:53:59
127.   Steve
If you've ever seen the Trudeau comic of the IHDTW Convention, with the one guy standing there -- well, I thought that was me, but welcome aboard Marty. I don't even know what 301/302 is. Leave it to Andrew to make such a conventionally edgy pick.
2006-12-15 18:55:15
128.   Marty
By the way, I really liked last night's Office episode.
2006-12-15 18:55:16
129.   trainwreck
It's Korean.
2006-12-15 18:55:30
130.   Greg Brock
This boring old man is 29.

Of course, I'm emotionally 12, and my artistic favorites would make me about 60, so, you know, it's cool

2006-12-15 18:55:41
131.   Andrew Shimmin
I walked out of Dances with Wolves at about the twenty minute mark. I was ten, so, walking out meant sitting in the lobby watching kids with money play arcade games. If I'd known how long that movie was going to be, I might have tried sticking it out, but I don't regret the decision.
2006-12-15 18:57:00
132.   Jason in Canada
You know, KIng King was a long movie too. I fell asleep and woke up at least 10 times during that one.
2006-12-15 18:57:29
133.   Jason in Canada
Sorry King Kong
2006-12-15 18:57:38
134.   Marty
A friend of mine took his dad to see Dances with Wolves. About 3/4 of the way through, the dad leaned over and said "You know they're using two different wolves don't you".
2006-12-15 18:57:56
135.   Greg Brock
Groundhog Day has Andie MacDowell. I've seen better range from Daryl Ward.
2006-12-15 18:57:57
136.   Steve
Now he bumps The Usual Suspects. I feel like I hardly know you.
2006-12-15 18:58:02
137.   dianagramr
Top Movies of the 90s ... from imdb voters

My picks:
Shawshank Redemption (#1 for the decade)
Schindler's List
The Usual Suspects
The Matrix (mostly for the concept)
Terminator 2 (mostly for the F/X)
The Sixth Sense
Toy Story 1&2 (for the wonder/fun)
Ed Wood (Johnny Depp!!!!)
Sling Blade
Silence of the Lambs
Saving Private Ryan

2006-12-15 18:58:36
138.   trainwreck
I probably should have had the Cure by Kiyoshi Kurosawa in there.

Ok, I better stop because I will just end up hating my list except for my top two.

2006-12-15 18:58:59
139.   gpellamjr
My top five all time movies:

Birth of a Nation
White Man's Burden
Passion of the Christ
Anything with John Wayne
Red Dawn

2006-12-15 18:59:04
140.   Marty
I walked out of Godzilla. I started thinking about something I had to do and the next thing I knew, I was in the parking lot.
2006-12-15 18:59:49
141.   Greg Brock
I have a feeling all time movie lists would result in bloodshed.

Watch out, Steve. I'm a master with a trident.

2006-12-15 19:00:03
142.   Indiana Jon
Top Five

1. Good Will Hunting
2. Shawshank Redemption
3. The Matrix
4. Forrest Gump
5. Rudy

I guess I just think different than most Dodger Fans, lol.

2006-12-15 19:00:47
143.   Marty
Anything with John Wayne

Even "The Conqueror"?

2006-12-15 19:00:52
144.   Greg Brock
By the way, twenty bucks says Xeifrank is huddled in the fetal position right now.
2006-12-15 19:01:13
145.   trainwreck
That is one diverse group I must say.

Do not usually see Red Dawn with Birth of a Nation.

2006-12-15 19:01:29
146.   Marty
Don't get me started on Good Will Hunting...
2006-12-15 19:02:03
147.   Icaros

I knew your age range, and was of course kidding.

And remarkably, you made an inspired last-minute move to save your season with comment 126.

2006-12-15 19:02:11
148.   Indiana Jon

Please do, I'm bored.

2006-12-15 19:03:28
149.   Steve
Marty and I appear to have extremely similar tastes. Sorry, Marty.
2006-12-15 19:04:33
150.   Marty
I'll just say the concept of "undiscovered math genius as janitor" didn't work for me. Add Robin Williams to the mix and it's a sure-fire method to make me dislike a film.
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2006-12-15 19:05:38
151.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody want to lay odds that, in the original screenplay, "It's not your fault" was spelled differently, on each of the fifteen consecutive lines it appeared?
2006-12-15 19:05:52
152.   Marty
I'm glad to see Magnolia fans here. Most people I know hated it.
2006-12-15 19:06:59
153.   trainwreck
Oh man, Edward Yang's A Brighter Summer Day was made in 1991. My list no longer counts.
2006-12-15 19:07:38
154.   CanuckDodger
107 -- For Evans to be the "George Lazenby of Dodger GM's" I think the GM he succeeded, and the GM he preceded, would have had to have stuck around longer than Evans did, which they didn't.

Whether it be for good or ill, I think Colletti is going to be the Dodger GM for a long time -- as in Fred Claire long. The farm system that neither Evans nor DePodesta got to benefit from (but which Evans was responsible for, by way of hiring Logan White) can and will cover a multitude of sins by Colletti, and Colletti gets along well with others in the organization and with McCourt.

2006-12-15 19:09:09
155.   Icaros

I told you about seeing it with Sidney (Hard 8) at the Egyptian a couple years ago. John C. Reilly spoke in between films. He was really cool.

2006-12-15 19:11:44
156.   Sam DC
146 Jon's got your back on that one, I think.

Hat Trick Alex Ovechkin tonight, including tying up a 2-1 game with 30 secs left in regulation and then an unassisted gamewinner 6 seconds into OT.

From Russia With Love.

2006-12-15 19:11:56
157.   Marty
155 I remember that. I haven't seen Sidney for awhile. I need to watch it again.
2006-12-15 19:11:56
158.   Icaros

I'd prefer Colletti finish out his contract just in time for Logan White to become Fred Claire.

I'd settle for Kim Ng, as well.

2006-12-15 19:13:43
159.   Sam DC
4. Nacho Libre
5. Hotel Rwanda

Wonder how many lists have those two sitting side by side?

2006-12-15 19:13:59
160.   overkill94
115 #4 is a joke right?
2006-12-15 19:14:36
161.   gpellamjr
158 Is there any sign that Ng would make a good GM?
2006-12-15 19:16:59
162.   gpellamjr
159, 160 The guy gets hammered while my poor intentionally provocative list (essentially a right-wing tirade in all-time-best-list form) gets ignored. I guess I'll never be as edgy as Andrew or D4P.
2006-12-15 19:17:06
163.   Andrew Shimmin
161- Misogynist.
2006-12-15 19:18:10
164.   Marty
162 I was wondering about your top 2.
2006-12-15 19:18:59
165.   Eric Enders
I can think of about a thousand reasons to dislike Good Will Hunting. They all begin with "Ben" and end with "Affleck."
2006-12-15 19:19:32
166.   Sam DC
2006-12-15 19:20:59
167.   overkill94
162 I'm sorry, my hatred for Nacho Libre runs much deeper than any racism could. It, along with Room With a View are two of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.
2006-12-15 19:21:11
168.   trainwreck
Yeah, I did not know how to handle your list. I was thinking well at least Birth of a Nation is a revolutionary film, while White Man's Burden not so much. That makes me feel better you made it up.
2006-12-15 19:21:25
169.   Eric Enders
162 Hey, I got it. I even thought it was funny too!

(Remember what Sam said earlier today...)

2006-12-15 19:21:57
170.   gpellamjr
164 I'm sure I'll be appreciated after my death.
2006-12-15 19:22:44
171.   gpellamjr
169 I don't remember anything Sam says. What was it?
2006-12-15 19:23:22
172.   Jason in Canada
160 You know I knew that would get some reaction. I lived in Mexico for 4 years and have lots of friends from Oaxaca, where the film was made. We loved going to the Lucha Libre matches like in the movie.I just thought it was hilarious. I know it is panned by many, but thats OK with me.
2006-12-15 19:23:38
173.   Eric Enders
169 Something about just because a joke goes uncommented on, doesn't mean it goes unappreciated.
2006-12-15 19:23:54
174.   Greg Brock
Shawshank Redepmtion, put in Dodger Stadium in 1968, would still OPS 1.469.

Lawrence of Arabia would have 297 RBI's in 2000 Coors Field.

2006-12-15 19:24:35
175.   Sam DC
171 It was "Remember, don't let on even if Pellam cracks you up."
2006-12-15 19:24:52
176.   Eric Enders
173 referred to 171. As if you didn't know I'd screw that up.
2006-12-15 19:25:58
177.   gpellamjr
173 Well, my nature requires that I panic if I am not praised constantly, or banned from Dodger blogs.
2006-12-15 19:26:12
178.   Eric Enders
"Lawrence of Arabia would have 297 RBI's in 2000 Coors Field."

Yeah, but it would play a 225-game season.

2006-12-15 19:28:14
179.   Icaros
Is there any sign that Ng would make a good GM?

I believe she's educated, and she's assisted some good GMs for awhile now. I figure she has to be smart enough to embrace many of the concepts DePodesta likely exposed her to.

I don't know, Colletti and Claire were nothing more than media smooth-talkers. What were their qualifications?

2006-12-15 19:28:18
180.   Eric Enders
162 You should have included Apocalypto.
2006-12-15 19:28:23
181.   Greg Brock
178 Lawrence of Arabia and The Godfather are the two greatest movies ever made.

I will not budge, and I will not be intimidated. Mock me if you will*.

*Please don't mock me.

2006-12-15 19:30:24
182.   Eric Enders
181 I don't necesarily disagree with that. In fact, I'm watching Lawrence of Arabia right now. I'll get back to you when it's over. Which should be 2009 or so.
2006-12-15 19:31:16
183.   gpellamjr
175 My wife must have heard that.

180 I didn't want to over do it with poor Mel. He reminds me a lot of my dad.

2006-12-15 19:31:28
184.   Sam DC
179 She handled the Bill Singer thing with class.
2006-12-15 19:32:08
185.   Greg Brock
182 LOL. It's an epic!
2006-12-15 19:32:35
186.   CanuckDodger
Has anybody ever seen a 1963 movie called "The Sadist?" I haven't seen it yet, but I taped it off cable about a month ago because the TV guide said it was about people on their way to watch a game at Dodger Stadium being terrorized by a maniac. That plot could be a metaphor for something.[Smiley Face]
2006-12-15 19:33:51
187.   trainwreck
A Brighter Summer Day is even longer than Lawrence of Arabia and you have to read.
2006-12-15 19:33:54
188.   Sam DC
I see The Norseman hasn't made many lists.
2006-12-15 19:33:57
189.   gpellamjr
I feel compelled to defend Nacho Libre, even though I've never seen it (my wife saw it with friends and then wouldn't let me rent it when I wanted to). I think I'm the only person I know (well, know and respect) who actually likes Tenacious D. I guess that's what one can expect when his top 3 musical interests are Pink Floyd, Roger Waters, and Tenacious D.
2006-12-15 19:34:45
190.   trainwreck
Unless you know Mandarin.
2006-12-15 19:35:11
191.   Eric Enders
"it was about people on their way to watch a game at Dodger Stadium being terrorized by a maniac."

Starring Jack Nicholson (and a golf club).

2006-12-15 19:35:59
192.   gpellamjr
191 I was hoping it was Arte Moreno.
2006-12-15 19:36:33
193.   Marty
186 Wow! I can't believe anyone mentioned The Sadist. I just watched it last week on TCM. It's a very bad movie that is shot really well. I'm going to butcher his name, but Vilmos Zsigmund was the cinematographer. I think it was his first gig, but he's good. The lead actor is laughable, but it keeps your interest.
2006-12-15 19:36:40
194.   trainwreck
I love Tenacious D. The show was great and I like their music. Apparently, Kyle Gass was the earliest graduate at Juilliard in classical guitar.
2006-12-15 19:37:53
195.   Marty
You get to hear some of the game broadcast, L.A. vs. Cincinnatti, but it's not Vin.
2006-12-15 19:38:04
196.   Sam DC


Well played.

2006-12-15 19:38:52
197.   Sam DC
(That was actually pretty funny, although I've been planning 196 for some time.)
2006-12-15 19:39:25
198.   gpellamjr
196 I was just setting you up. Thanks for humoring me.
2006-12-15 19:39:50
199.   Jason in Canada
162 Well if that's the case here are my new 5 favorite films.
1. The Da Vinci Code
2. Fahrenheit 911
3. Bob Roberts
4. An inconvinient truth
5. Bowling for Columbine


2006-12-15 19:41:06
200.   Greg Brock
No matter what your political affiliations may be, Bob Roberts is pretty close to pure genius.
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2006-12-15 19:41:37
201.   gpellamjr
194 I just got the soundtrack to the movie, which I have not yet seen, and I enjoy it a lot. I love "The Government Totally Sucks"... it appeals to the part of me that hates the other part of me that loves Dylan's early stuff.
2006-12-15 19:42:38
202.   trainwreck
I wanted to see the movie, but it is hard to get people to go after those reviews.
2006-12-15 19:43:11
203.   Jason in Canada
Bob Roberts is in my top 20 favorite films.
2006-12-15 19:43:59
204.   gpellamjr
202 On the Daily Show they said they were going for a Citizen Kane type following. They've got the first part down. I'll force my wife to go for her birthday on Sunday. She won't admit it, but she likes the D as much as I do.
2006-12-15 19:45:07
205.   trainwreck
Yeah, that was hilarious. KG went to my rival high school.
2006-12-15 19:45:32
206.   trainwreck
This is going to be a long game for the Lakers.
2006-12-15 19:45:46
207.   gpellamjr
Sorry for all the posts tonight. I'm trying to convince myself to go to bed... but I have chronic acid reflux and I just ate my weight in Starburst.
2006-12-15 19:47:25
208.   gpellamjr
205 The best I can do is to say that Cherokee Parks went to my high school!
2006-12-15 19:47:43
209.   Jason in Canada
Hmmm... Doesn't sound too exciting.
2006-12-15 19:48:20
210.   Jason in Canada
Former Dodger Jim Bruske went to mine..
2006-12-15 19:48:52
211.   Eric Enders
So I'm watching "Joyeux Noel" right now. I'm only an hour into it, but I feel confident in giving it the thumbs up already. I hope the ending doesn't suck.
2006-12-15 19:50:24
212.   Greg Brock
I'm watching Jesus of Nazareth right now.

I don't think he's gonna make it. Don't tell me how it ends, though.

2006-12-15 19:51:44
213.   Icaros

Did you get to The Great Silence yet, or is that still waiting in line until 2009?

2006-12-15 19:53:32
214.   Icaros
Take it to Yao, Bynum!
2006-12-15 19:53:39
215.   Eric Enders
The most famous person who went to my high school was Jack Handey. Which makes you wonder, why does anybody spell their name with an extra "e"? If you added up all the time they spend writing the extra letter, they'd have an extra year or two to spend on important stuff. Like posting to blogs on Friday nights.
2006-12-15 19:55:41
216.   Eric Enders
213 It's up to #85 in the queue!
2006-12-15 19:57:41
217.   Sam DC
So, is Vernon Wells' contract seven years starting after this season, or counting this season?
2006-12-15 19:58:16
218.   trainwreck
I believe after.
2006-12-15 19:58:53
219.   Icaros
I have a superfluous e in my last name, and I'd never thought of that.

Thanks for making me colossally depressed on a lonely Friday night with the Lakers already down ten until I just wish Flanders was dead.

2006-12-15 19:59:24
220.   D4P
Time to invite over some drunk chicks.
2006-12-15 20:03:14
221.   Icaros

It may come to that. I miss that rookie pitcher I tripled off of a few months back as well.

2006-12-15 20:06:56
222.   Bob Timmermann
I'm extraordinarily late to the party, but my five top films of the 1990s were:
1) Fargo
2) Babe
3) L.A. Confidential
4) Lone Star
5) The Last Seduction
2006-12-15 20:09:51
223.   Icaros
I did a scene from Lone Star in an acting class. It was funny.

Haven't seen the film.

2006-12-15 20:14:14
224.   Greg Brock
The Last Seduction is a tough one. It's a good movie, but I found it really hard to get into a movie in which zero characters are likeable. But it is still a good movie.

Peter Berg's telling of the chain link fence scene is hilarious. I guess he was really unsure about the scene, and Fiorentino grabbed him, threw him against the fence, and said "Start rolling" to the director. The rest is history.

2006-12-15 20:30:40
225.   Andrew Shimmin
Spending some time with IMDB, I think I ought to free up a spot for Election, in my list. But I don't know what to cut.

Also, why was I not informed that Little Children is directed by Todd Field, the same guy who did In The Bedroom (very possibly my favorite movie, ever)? And that the screenplay was written by Field and Perrotta (the guy who wrote Election)? Somebody has failed me for the last time. While I get the feeling that if I'd more closely read the non-The Office parts of screen jam, I might have found some of these things out, I'm still determined to blame some one else for this.

2006-12-15 20:31:48
226.   trainwreck
Aww that just reminded me I forgot about Welcome to the Dollhouse.
2006-12-15 20:34:36
227.   Marty
I loved Election.
2006-12-15 20:34:51
228.   ToyCannon
Usual Suspects
Princess Mononoke
Pulp Fiction
LA Confidential
Lone Star

Jurasic Park - didn't age well but it knocked my socks off when I first saw it.

Special mention to Twelve Monkeys, Saving Private Ryan

2006-12-15 20:35:39
229.   Greg Brock
225 Jon touched on that, and I think I wrote the lone comment in that post. I talked about Perrotta and Election.

There is nobody to blame but yourself. And D4P (why not?).

2006-12-15 20:38:55
230.   ToyCannon
Sounds like the Clipper team and staff had a heck of a flight yesterday as they flew right into that storm pounding the Northwest. I've listened to Ralph for over 20 years and never heard him go on about a flight like that one.
Of course most of you are watching the Lakers getting pounded by Houston.
2006-12-15 20:39:06
231.   Marty
I need to go see Little Children if Perrotta was involved in both. Plus, Kate Winslet is my idea of perfect beauty.
2006-12-15 20:42:08
232.   Bob Timmermann
I just saw Little Children today. It was excellent. Weekday matinees draw a tough crowd. The other four people in the theater didn't seem to like it.

Reminds me of when I saw "Punch-Drunk Love" at a matinee with a group from a retirement home. I think I was the only person in the theater who liked it.

2006-12-15 20:45:18
233.   trainwreck
I was that person in my group of friends when we saw Punch Drunk Love.
2006-12-15 20:45:19
234.   Greg Brock
I really liked Punch Drunk Love. It's in the DVD collection. Not many other people did.

PT Anderson makes good movies.

2006-12-15 20:45:39
235.   Bob Timmermann
Plus, Kate Winslet is my idea of perfect beauty.

If you see "Little Children", you will quickly realize how ironic that statement is.

2006-12-15 20:48:49
236.   Andrew Shimmin
I almost got in to a fist fight with an elderly couple at a matinee for The Magdalene Sisters, once. They wouldn't shut up! I've seen the movie since, and realize it wasn't good enough to warrant the scene I caused, but I didn't know that at the time.
2006-12-15 20:49:06
237.   trainwreck
Little known secret (or maybe not at all)PT Anderson had to film most of A Prairie Home Companion because Altman was too sick to finish the film.
2006-12-15 20:50:46
238.   Bob Timmermann
My girlfriend brought the DVD of the Magdalene Sisters over once for us to watch.

Not a good date movie.

Not at all.

2006-12-15 20:53:20
239.   Andrew Shimmin
238- No, not a date movie. Probably worse than The Last Kiss, even.
2006-12-15 20:53:37
240.   Bob Timmermann

In the trivia section for "A Prairie Home Companion" on IMDB there is this line:

For insurance purposes, and in the event that 80-year-old director Robert Altman was unable to finish shooting the film, Paul Thomas Anderson was employed as a standby director.

2006-12-15 20:54:04
241.   Icaros
Punch Drunk Love is Anderson's version of a Beatles song.
2006-12-15 20:54:54
242.   Bob Timmermann
I've been tempted though when I was at Notre Dame to start screaming at Charlie Weis:


2006-12-15 20:58:08
243.   Andrew Shimmin
242- Lol! You're going to hell, just for thinking that.
2006-12-15 20:59:58
244.   Icaros
Hell's not so bad, Bob. The music is way better down there.
2006-12-15 21:00:16
245.   Marty
Punch Drunk Love showed me PT Anderson can work miracles. Adam Sandler for Pete's sake!
2006-12-15 21:02:19
246.   trainwreck
How was the Last Kiss?

I ask because Rachel Bilson is beautiful.

2006-12-15 21:02:57
247.   StolenMonkey86
My top movies of the 90s

Wayne's World
Groundhog Day

2006-12-15 21:07:40
248.   Andrew Shimmin
246- I liked it alright. My companion did not. Actually, I don't know that she didn't. I know that she didn't like that I had liked it. It's not a great movie, it's all been done before, often better. I didn't like it quite as much as his other one, which I also didn't love. But it wasn't bad.
2006-12-15 21:08:41
249.   Sushirabbit
Later than Bob,

American Beauty
Schindler's List
Crying Game (the perfect story of all that)

some other good foreign
Journey of Hope
House of flying daggers (was 90s, right)
before the rain
and perhaps the Dutch Verison of The Vanishing.

My top 5 (today, without too much thought)
Nuovo Cinema Paradisio
Blade Runner
THe Quiet Man (but then I'd live in Oughterard if I could!)
Blazing Saddles

On any given Day I might pick 5 Ford movies, though. I really like Ridley Scott, too.

2006-12-15 21:09:23
250.   natepurcell

2) Babe

as in, the movie with the pig?


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2006-12-15 21:11:01
251.   trainwreck
It is a remake of an Italian movie.
2006-12-15 21:12:01
252.   trainwreck
House of Flying Daggers was 2004.
2006-12-15 21:13:00
253.   trainwreck
Spoorloos the dutch version of the Vanishing was 1988.
2006-12-15 21:14:47
254.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, the movie about a pig.

Do you have a problem with that?

Or did you expect me to pick the movie with John Goodman?

2006-12-15 21:15:08
255.   Greg Brock
I like Fargo. I also thought the Hudsucker Proxy was a better movie than Fargo.

{prepares for impact}

2006-12-15 21:18:03
256.   Bob Timmermann
I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Except Frank Robinson.

2006-12-15 21:19:07
257.   trainwreck
Blood Simple I think should enter the discussion when talking Coen Bros films.
2006-12-15 21:19:46
258.   Andrew Shimmin
255- It's okay. I think we're all starting to get the point. There's a part of you that's a little, how shall I say, retarded. It likes cry baby rock and roll. It digs the Dancing Wolf movie. But it's just one little part of you. Outside of this isolated area of retardation, you seem like a perfectly normal person. Hell, you got better grades than Bob did at UCLA.

It's inspirational, actually. Someday there could be a movie of the week about you.

2006-12-15 21:20:04
259.   Greg Brock
Both movies are great. I have every Cohen Brothers flick (except for Cruel whatever, the Zeta Jones movie). Fargo is fantastic.

Hudsucker is one of the underrated flicks of the last twenty years. Long live the Hud!

2006-12-15 21:20:57
260.   Greg Brock
258 LOL.
2006-12-15 21:21:34
261.   Andrew Shimmin
258, cont.- I also now notice that you've got a crush on Tim Robbins. So, you know, might wanna look in to that. I mean, that should be curable, in the twenty-first century.
2006-12-15 21:21:42
262.   Greg Brock
Coen Bros. Damnation.
2006-12-15 21:23:07
263.   Greg Brock
261 I never thought of that. Bob Roberts, Hudsucker, Shawshank. That's pretty amazing. I'm actually not that big a fan of his, except that, apparently, I am.
2006-12-15 21:24:03
264.   gpellamjr
Would a 5 most beautiful women list be sexist?
2006-12-15 21:25:07
265.   natepurcell

I was thinking you would be more of a Milo and Otis fan. But Babe it is!

2006-12-15 21:25:29
266.   trainwreck
Jacob's Ladder? My favorite Tim Robbins movie.
2006-12-15 21:26:16
267.   trainwreck
The movie list was hard enough and I already would completely change mine.
2006-12-15 21:26:46
268.   Bob Timmermann
Other films and TV shows that are favorites of Greg Brock:
The first three episodes of "St. Elsewhere"
Top Gun
The Sure Thing
Jacob's Ladder
Arlington Road
The Truth About Charlie
2006-12-15 21:27:17
269.   Sushirabbit
What's time anyway? :-)

Ouch on the M. Sistes as a date movie.

As one of my friend's tells me, it's cheating to become a Cahtolic later in life.

I once had a first date with a girl going to see The Meaning of Life-- not so good, either. I'd recommend bowling instead. Or heavy drinking at the Peppermint Lounge.

Fans of Groundhog day, might like Quick Change, too.

2006-12-15 21:27:27
270.   Xeifrank
Man, sorry I missed all the movie talk today! (Not really). I think my 2 1/2 year old is already following in my footsteps when it comes to movies. The last two movies we've tried to take her to, we had to walk out of because she got scared when the lights went out and it got loud. She screamed that she wanted to go to the lobby and watch the popcorn fall down. In adult talk, she wanted to watch the popcorn machine. It was one of my proudest days. By the way with all the movie talk on DT, I just might have to start going over to Screen Jam and talk baseball, foriegn travel, Wiggles or Clifford the Big Red Dog. Pick your poison.
vr, Xei
2006-12-15 21:28:07
271.   Bob Timmermann
You do know that "Babe" was nominated for a Best Picture Oscar and probably deserved it a lot more than "Braveheart" did?
2006-12-15 21:28:35
272.   trainwreck
I remember when I was at Blockbuster, there was a group of people talking about how mad they were at the end of Arlington Road.
2006-12-15 21:28:59
273.   Sushirabbit
250, 254
It's, uh... kind of a baldy, pinky, whitey thingy.

264, yes, and how could you limit yourself to 5?

2006-12-15 21:30:10
274.   Greg Brock
270 It's a Friday. It's December. There is no baseball being played. Hot Stove is winding down. We signed Juan Pierre.

I'm not sure how much useful baseball talk will come out of this evening. Unless Steve writes his eagerly anticipated love letter to Mark Hendrickson.

2006-12-15 21:30:12
275.   trainwreck
I remember the beginning of the Land Before Time scared me as a little kid and I had to leave the theater.
2006-12-15 21:30:39
276.   Eric Enders
271 Bob, I don't disagree with you on Babe, but, um, do you really want to start citing Oscar results to legitimize your movie choices?

Big "Gigi" fan, are we?

2006-12-15 21:31:46
277.   gpellamjr
272 Why would you be mad? The end was the only thing that saved an otherwise horrible movie... oh and Joan Cusack would probably make my top 5 list.
2006-12-15 21:31:54
278.   Greg Brock
Braveheart is the single most overrated movie of the last decade. It should only reside in high school locker rooms for pregame inspiration.

Babe is way better than Braveheart.

2006-12-15 21:32:27
279.   Andrew Shimmin
Quick Change is the best. The first time I saw Quick Change, I wanted to shave my head, go to the airport, and evangelize for it. Then I rewound the tape, and watched it again, instead.
2006-12-15 21:32:31
280.   Eric Enders
273 Heck, I can limit myself to one, as long as it's Eva Green.
2006-12-15 21:32:56
281.   StolenMonkey86
278 - Don't forget the soundtrack though
2006-12-15 21:33:10
282.   Greg Brock
Joan Cusack would probably make my top 5 list

Dios Mio.

2006-12-15 21:33:47
283.   Sushirabbit
276, see Cher, 1987 (Moonstruck)
2006-12-15 21:34:19
284.   trainwreck
Someone loves the Dreamers.
2006-12-15 21:36:08
285.   Bob Timmermann
No, the greatest film ever made is "The Greatest Show on Earth"! Nothing better than an epic film about the greatest blight on society (other than Frank Robinson):


2006-12-15 21:36:17
286.   gpellamjr
282 I used to have a huge crush on her. I don't know if it's still true, but I was hoping to spark a conversation.
2006-12-15 21:36:56
287.   Greg Brock
There is Anita Ekberg, and there is everybody else.

The Sweet Life indeed.

2006-12-15 21:37:06
288.   Andrew Shimmin
283- I can't tell you how relieved I was that, when I went back to see which post that referred to, it wasn't Pellam's sexist list one. I would have been banned for life for the response I was composing.
2006-12-15 21:37:44
289.   natepurcell
i think trainwreck mentioned kids.

have you seen larry clarks other movies? bully, ken park, wassup rockers..

i saw bully for the first time 3 weeks ago. it was pretty interesting.

2006-12-15 21:38:33
290.   Bob Timmermann
I always thought it was weird how Joan Cusack always was cast as someone much older than she really was. She was playing frazzled, divorced moms in her 20s. "My Blue Heaven" came out in 1990 when she was 28.
2006-12-15 21:39:25
291.   Greg Brock
I believe Larry Clark lobbied against Megan's Law (not really).

Dude is creepy.

2006-12-15 21:39:34
292.   gpellamjr
290 Maybe that's what I liked about her.
2006-12-15 21:39:50
293.   natepurcell
and, kirsten dunst is way pretty.

I am late to the party pertaining to that topic but i had to get it out there. big fan of bring it on.../waits for it.....

2006-12-15 21:40:18
294.   trainwreck
I bought Bully without seeing it. It is an okay movie. My friend saw Ken Park and pretty much convinced me not to watch it. I have seen Teenage Caveman and that is just B movie garbage.

Larry Clark likes teenage sex too much!

2006-12-15 21:40:59
295.   gpellamjr
288 I'm not a sexist. I just think it's one of the great shames that my wife is such a great cook and yet continues to go to grad school.
2006-12-15 21:41:35
296.   trainwreck
I saw Bring It On in theater because we were not 17 so they would not let us into see another movie. They even had an usher follow us. I have seen the movie countless times since.
2006-12-15 21:43:05
297.   natepurcell
wassup rockers was pretty cool. a good amount of teenage sex but the those latino kids are pretty awesome.

except for the fat one that got shot in the head. he never talked.

2006-12-15 21:43:54
298.   gpellamjr
297 Not a fan of the fat people, are ya Nate?
2006-12-15 21:45:21
299.   Icaros

You can have her.

2006-12-15 21:45:43
300.   Greg Brock
I'm still laughing at Andrew's description of me. James Taylor is not crybaby rock. It'a a unique brand of adult contemporary music. That's what the Simpsons told me.

Plus, he got the ants out of the space shuttle. Have you ever done that?

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2006-12-15 21:47:08
301.   Sushirabbit
288, Ha! Never, no way. I'd choose Antonio Banderas before Cher.
2006-12-15 21:47:37
302.   Greg Brock
James Taylor would OPS 1.328 at Three Rivers Stadium in 1978.
2006-12-15 21:48:25
303.   trainwreck
Poor Ed O'Neil, reduced to AOL commercials.
2006-12-15 21:56:43
304.   Steve
I'm off the Marty train. Election was a terrible movie.
2006-12-15 22:02:12
305.   Xeifrank
Nice comeback. OT!
vr, Xei
2006-12-15 22:03:36
306.   Greg Brock
We never got Steve's top ten/top five movies of the 90's. I can't wait.

{sharpens knives}

2006-12-15 22:03:56
307.   trainwreck
That would have been great if Kwame made that heave.
2006-12-15 22:06:25
308.   Steve
But I should have seen Shimmin's fingerprints on this one. In any case, Election is the Jim Tracy of movies.
2006-12-15 22:08:40
309.   Steve
Cabin Boy is the best movie of the 90s.
2006-12-15 22:10:52
310.   trainwreck
David Letterman would be proud.
2006-12-15 22:11:46
311.   Sushirabbit
I'm thinking Steve is Maltese Falcon guy.
2006-12-15 22:12:31
312.   Greg Brock
Come on, Steve. Let's hear your picks. I'm sure they're all good movies.
2006-12-15 22:14:52
313.   Steve
Is it your impression that I am kidding?
2006-12-15 22:16:17
314.   MSarg29
Do you want to buy a monkey?
2006-12-15 22:16:38
315.   Greg Brock
If Dodger Thoughts commenters had avatars, Steve's would be Statler and Waldorf.

Of course, so would mine.

2006-12-15 22:16:54
316.   Sushirabbit
312, Get ready for the Lumiere Bros. greatest hits.
2006-12-15 22:17:50
317.   Greg Brock
2006-12-15 22:18:09
318.   Marty
Cabin Boy!

I once worked about 36 hours straight at the Orange County plant of the Times. When I went back to my hotel room, I couldn't sleep I was so tired, so I turned on the TV and Cabin Boy was on. It seemed like the funniest movie of all time.

2006-12-15 22:19:24
319.   trainwreck
Alright, double OT.
2006-12-15 22:19:44
320.   trainwreck
This game needs to just keep going.
2006-12-15 22:21:25
321.   Icaros
Kobe can't do anything right!
2006-12-15 22:24:37
322.   Icaros
Kobe with the reverse dunk on Yao. I take it all back!
2006-12-15 22:24:50
323.   Steve
My list wouldn't look very different from most people's -- if I had to commit to one it would be Cabin Boy (love interest played, of course, by Jan Levinson-Gould). Then it would be LA Confidential. A dark horse would be Ed Wood, which I think was mentioned before, and was the only Johnny Depp movie before Pirates that I liked. And if you want one that will be sure to draw the hoots of the crowd, let's try Life is Beautiful, run it up the flagpole, and see if it flies.
2006-12-15 22:27:11
324.   Bob Timmermann
"Cabin Boy" with Melora Walters
"The Office" with Melora Hardin
2006-12-15 22:27:42
325.   Steve
No, no. Not Jan Levinson-Gould. That's someone else. That's Monk's wife.
2006-12-15 22:28:34
326.   StolenMonkey86
314 - I prefer larceny. :)
2006-12-15 22:28:37
327.   Steve
What Bob said.
2006-12-15 22:29:31
328.   Greg Brock
Life is Beautiful.


2006-12-15 22:30:55
329.   MSarg29
325 - lol
2006-12-15 22:32:10
330.   Steve
I gave you a free shot and all you can come up with is "ack?" I mean, at least try to tie it to some Dodger whose name has become a hiss and a byword.
2006-12-15 22:33:46
331.   Jason in Canada
Has anyone seen the gymnastics classic "Stick it" ?
2006-12-15 22:35:08
332.   trainwreck
Well that was a great comeback by the Lakers.
2006-12-15 22:36:16
333.   Icaros
Nice 21-point comeback. Glad I stuck it out.
2006-12-15 22:36:35
334.   Icaros
Not like I had other options.
2006-12-15 22:36:41
335.   Bob Timmermann
Life is Beautiful is a good film along the lines of Mike Trombley.
2006-12-15 22:36:45
336.   trainwreck
No, but the main character is one attractive Canadian.
2006-12-15 22:40:22
337.   Icaros
I was hoping Steve would be gutsy enough to bust out The English Patient.
2006-12-15 22:40:27
338.   Jason in Canada
Hey Trainwreck, who wins the rematch between Rampage-Liddell?
2006-12-15 22:45:18
339.   Jason in Canada
Well, not to be the bearer of bad news but it looks like Daryl Ward is off the market.
2006-12-15 22:47:32
340.   Sushirabbit
The english patient OPS'd 5.72 in 1996 Dodger Stadium. Making it Roger Cedeno.
2006-12-15 22:48:21
341.   trainwreck
That is hard to say. Going to have to see how Rampage adjusts to the cage first.
2006-12-15 22:49:14
342.   Sushirabbit
er, .572

it hurts to mess up your own joke. That's why I should leave it to the professional. Greg Brock. I should just go to bed.

2006-12-15 22:52:39
343.   Greg Brock
There is nothing funny about the Holocaust. Comedians + Holocaust = Bad Things.

Life is Beautiful. Jakob the Liar. The Day the Clown Cried. I'll pass.

2006-12-15 22:54:21
344.   Greg Brock
It's like trying to write a comedy based on September 11th. It doesn't work.

Trust me. I've tried.

2006-12-15 23:00:56
345.   Jason in Canada
343Yeah, that is one thing that has never made any sense. I still haven't see any of the 911 movies yet, and didn't see Schindler's list till about a year ago..
2006-12-15 23:10:10
346.   Eric Enders
My favorite 911 comedy is the one starring Jeff Kent.
2006-12-15 23:14:29
347.   Bob Timmermann
You can try watching the anime "Grave of the Fireflies" sometime. It's loaded with chuckles.
2006-12-15 23:17:01
348.   trainwreck
Now that is a depressing movie.
2006-12-15 23:18:55
349.   Greg Brock
I just saw the movie trailer for Bridge to Tarebithia the other day.

Needless to say, it kind of hides how emotionally devastating the book is. They make it look like a trip to Disneyland.

Bridge to Tarebithia is not a trip to Disneyland.

2006-12-15 23:20:43
350.   Greg Brock
Whoops. Inverted my a's and e's there. Sorry.
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2006-12-15 23:28:37
351.   xaphor
Chalk one up for being better late than never. Here are 5 of the top of the ol' noggin:

The Usual Suspects
Ghost in the Shell
Leon The Professional
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Silence of the Lambs

Honorable Mentions:
12 Monkeys, Trainspotting, Pi, Photographing Faeries, The Player, Trois Couleurs: (Rouge, Blanc, Bleu trilogy), Fargo, Run Lola Run, True Romance, and The Shawshank Redemption

2006-12-15 23:43:06
352.   trainwreck
Cowan is goin to start for UCLA against Florida St.

DeWayne Walker signed on for another year, then I am sure he will leave.

2006-12-15 23:47:13
353.   Greg Brock
Pat Cowan has heart. Pat Cowan has moxy. Pat Cowan is a Gutty Little Bruin.

Pat Cowan is a terrible quarterback.

2006-12-15 23:49:39
354.   trainwreck
It is a good thing Olson pretty much cannot afford to sit out another year, because I think he would be gone.
2006-12-16 00:02:53
355.   El Lay Dave
Extremely late to the game, so I offer the best five I could think of quickly that I didn't see mentioned in this topic (apologies if they were and I missed them):

Reservoir Dogs
Being John Malkovich
What's Eating Gilbert Grape
Like Water for Chocolate
Edward Scissorhands

2006-12-16 00:04:43
356.   Greg Brock
Xeifrank, what are your favorite movies of the 90's?

Seriously, play along with the gang. I'd love to know.

2006-12-16 00:06:03
357.   El Lay Dave
352, 353, 354 - I attended the UCLA-Rice game and thought both teams looked terrible, as did Ben Olson, who I thought looked pretty slow and made some poor decisions. I never dreamed I was seeing two bowl-bound teams, albeit barely. Good thing Florida State sucks, maybe the D can keep us in the game.

And go Rutgers!

2006-12-16 00:31:36
358.   Bob Timmermann
I will be attending the Granddaddy of Them All on New Year's Day, so stay tuned to the Griddle for past tales of the other Rose Bowls I've attended. This will be #7.

And they have not all involved UCLA.

2006-12-16 00:43:05
359.   trainwreck
Will you actively be rooting for Michigan?
2006-12-16 00:45:19
360.   Bob Timmermann
I do not root for the Big Ten team at the Rose Bowl in any situation.
2006-12-16 00:52:42
361.   Eric Enders
Best Films of the 1990s
Dodger Thoughts reader consensus
thru post 360

Ballots tabulated on a 5-4-3-2-1 basis. For unordered lists, the 15 points are divided equally between each film.

1. The Shawshank Redemption 2554=16
2. The Big Lebowski 552=12
2. Pulp Fiction 2433=12
4. L.A. Confidential 2333=11
5. Fargo 153=9
5. The Usual Suspects 1233=9
7. Babe 233=8
7. Lone Star 323=8
9. Braveheart 43=7
10. JFK 42=6
10. Silence of the Lambs 213=6
10. Unforgiven 42=6

301/302 5
Good Will Hunting 5
Groundhog Day 23=5
Miller's Crossing 5
Se7en 5

Dazed and Confused 4
Ed Wood 13=4
The Matrix 13=4
Mo' Better Blues 4
Once Were Warriors 4
Schindler's List 13=4

Aladdin 3
American Beauty 3
Being John Malkovich 3
Boogie Nights 3
Cabin Boy 3
The Crying Game 3
Edward Scissorhands 3
Ghost in the Shell 3
Kids 3
Leon the Professional 3
Life Is Beautiful 3
Like Water For Chocolate 3
Nightmare Before Christmas 3
Princess Mononoke 3
Reservoir Dogs 3
That Thing You Do! 3
Wayne's World 3
What's Eating Gilbert Grape 3
Aladdin 3

Big Night 2
Dances With Wolves 2
eXistenZ 2
Forrest Gump 2
Heat 2
Rushmore 2
Swingers 2

Before Sunrise 1
Dead Alive 1
Goodfellas 1
Magnolia 1
Rudy 1
Saving Private Ryan 1
Sixth Sense 1
Sling Blade 1
Terminator 2 - 1
Toy Story 1
Toy Story 2 - 1

2006-12-16 01:03:09
362.   Bob Timmermann
What happened to my ballot? There should be one point for the "Last Seduction".
2006-12-16 01:10:34
363.   Eric Enders
Your ballot got counted, which is why the pig movie made the top 10. I think the lone Last Seduction vote just got eaten in my frenzied orgy of cut and paste.
2006-12-16 01:18:12
364.   Bob Timmermann
That'll do Eric.

That'll do.

2006-12-16 01:24:38
365.   Greg Brock
I always root for the PAC-10 in the Rose Bowl.

Unless Southern Cal is playing.

2006-12-16 01:26:01
366.   Robert Daeley
363 "I think the lone Last Seduction vote just got eaten in my frenzied orgy of cut and paste." -- that just does not sound right. ;)

I think your entire comment should be enshrined in some sort of DT Hall of Fame.

2006-12-16 01:27:03
367.   Greg Brock
And Shawshank finished #1 in the Dodger Thoughts Movies of the 90's.

Ha. Victory is mine. Score one for "sentimental piffle."

2006-12-16 01:31:01
368.   Steve
I am proud to have helped Cabin Boy appear on such an august list.

Now, for the 80s. My nominee: Strange Brew.

2006-12-16 01:31:47
369.   Greg Brock
Take off, hoser.
2006-12-16 01:56:48
370.   xaphor
How did Canadian Bacon slip everyone's minds for the 90's?
2006-12-16 02:48:56
371.   xaphor
I hope that you will all take a second of your time to think about the poor and unfortunate who are scrapping by this holiday season:

2006-12-16 06:23:02
372.   bearlurker
LA Confidential
Schindlers List
Silence of the Lambs
2006-12-16 06:29:31
373.   Vishal
i just got back from being out all day and it's 10:30 at night for me and i'm beat, so i didn't read this comment thread at all, nor the end of the last one, but i just want to say (perhaps reiterate) in response to jon's post that i don't think the argument was so much about outcomes, as we will all be happy if someone successfully walks, but the quibble was with the batter's approach to the situation, or at least his perceived approach. ok that's all. maybe i'll get to these 370+ comments tomorrow. in fact, i have a lot of work to do so knowing me, i'll probably want some distraction.
2006-12-16 06:43:18
374.   Midwest Blue
I love talking movies, so I hate that I missed out on this thread. I cast some late and immaterial votes for the following:

1. Groundhog Day (life's perfect movie)
2. Goodfellas
3. The Usual Suspects
4. Silence of the Lambs
5. Being John Malkovich

2006-12-16 06:45:38
375.   alex 7
well if we're gonna talk baseball...

I'm curious, aren't we giving theoretical Drew here too much control over the outcome of swinging at a pitch that he otherwise wouldn't? Since Drew does actually hit and drive runners in, he swings at good pitches with runners on.
We're asking him to maybe expand his strike zone a little or be more aggressive. Yet we talk like Drew can control what happens when he alters his approach. What if he doesn't hit an rbi-groundout to the 2b and instead pops up to the 3b in foul ground because, while being more aggressive, he chased a pitch on the black of the plate? Or he chases a border-line high strike to try and hit a sac-fly, but pops up to the catcher instead?
Sure, if Drew has near-complete control of the outcomes, we can ask that he be more aggressive and simply "move the runner 90 feet." But hitting a grounder to a MIF isn't exactly automatic against sliders, sinkers, and cut fastballs.

2006-12-16 07:02:56
376.   Bumsrap
375, thank you for speaking baseball.

Runner on third and one out. A swing that just tries to make contact could score that runner even if the pitch is not a strike. Infield might be in or out and that might make a difference in a hitters decision about what kind of swing he will take.

If that hitter walks, then the next bater has to worry about ending the inning by hitting into a double play and that concern wasn't there before the prior hitter walked and affects the decision about the kinds of swings and pitches he swings at--you know, I am getting the hand of these long sentences; took me awhile, but with some bad punctuation, I think I was able to write one.

2006-12-16 07:14:20
377.   Andrew Shimmin
I can't quite believe that if falls to me to defend Election, but if it is my lot, so be it.

Steve, it's okay that you don't like it. I think we all know what's going on here. There's a part of you that's, how shall I say, bereft of a soul. It's not all of you, probably. I mean, I'm sure there are other parts of you that are fully souled. But some parts, well, not so much.

2006-12-16 07:23:37
378.   D4P
Cabin Boy is the best movie of the 90s

Cabin Boy is notorious among a certain group of my friends. I had thought of mentioning it, but didn't think anyone would know what it was.

We could never agree on the name of the half-man half-shark character. Was it:

1. Sharkie
2. Shuckie
3. Charkie
4. Chuckie
5. Chalkie
6. Other (specify)

2006-12-16 07:24:46
379.   D4P
But some parts, well, not so much

See: The part that shops at Walmart

2006-12-16 07:25:40
380.   Woody
Wake me, when something happens.
2006-12-16 07:32:56
381.   Andrew Shimmin
380- Buck O'Neil got the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Is that something?
2006-12-16 07:37:20
382.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh, and Jeff Bagwell retired. Don't remember seeing anyone's mention that, and it hasn't been griddled.

2006-12-16 07:41:30
383.   Sushirabbit
381, good
382, mentioned along with HOF ballot ideas.

One other thing happened. I figured out that if I had to choose just one sexiest man, well, then it'd have to be Jesus.

2006-12-16 07:53:37
384.   bhsportsguy
Saw the future of Bruin basketball, Kevin Love last night, he almost had a triple double in points, rebounds and blocks. He also was something like 14-15 from the free throw line.

For those of you old enough to remember when fast breaks started with outlet passes, he does it with ease.

Also, count on some new celebs going to games at Pauley as sitting next to his dad, former Laker, Stan Love was Brian Wilson, formerly of the Beach Boys. Stan is the brother of Mike Love, another Beach Boy.

2006-12-16 08:03:54
385.   Andrew Shimmin
Sly Stallone is a street fighting man. This does serve as a warning though, of what happens to people who eat fried chicken with mustard. I wouldn't put it past such a person to do the thing that Sly said he did.

2006-12-16 08:11:36
386.   Gen3Blue
Salaries rarely if ever tend to decline,but I wonder if this is sustainable.Wells is good but is a .290/25hr guy worth 126 mil for 7 years(thats 18 per). Granted he is coming off a career year-.900 OPS but will his peak last 7 years-I doubt it.
2006-12-16 08:35:21
387.   Sushirabbit
Max von Sydow, was in Strange Brew.

He's #1 on my top 5 most eclectic actors:
Strange Brew, Wild Strawberries, Flash Gordon, Hanna and her Sisters, Pelle erobreren, Conan the Barbarian. He's even in the Ice Pirates!

2006-12-16 08:38:29
388.   Bumsrap
MLB's annual player rankings, used to determine draft pick compensation for losing free agents, were released Tuesday by the Elias Sports Bureau. Among the highlights in the NL: 1B Albert Pujols, C Michael Barrett and reliever Billy Wagner repeated at their positions. Chase Utley replaced Mark Loretta at second, and Miguel Cabrera took over from Aramis Ramirez at third. Rafael Furcal replaced Jimmy Rollins at shortstop, Chris Carpenter was the starting pitcher in place of Roy Oswalt and Jason Bay, Matt Holliday and Moises Alou were the top three outfielders, replacing Cabrera, Lance Berkman and Bobby Abreu.

I am proud to have helped Cabin Boy appear on such an august list Steve, this is December Dude.

2006-12-16 08:40:57
389.   Steve
Since Election was a soul-crushing experience, I guess some of this makes a certain amount of sense.

And it's Chalkie. Geez.

2006-12-16 08:49:19
390.   Andrew Shimmin
Election is a tale of the wages of sin, penance, and exile. And why women are the devil. And why all teachers (GoBears, SB, WWSH, and Zappala excepted; did I forget anyone? No, I didn't) are suspect. A story about how ambition is not to be trusted, and how the comfortable rut is to be preferred over fun every single time. And where politicians come from.

Election is the greatest work of moral philosophy in my life time.

2006-12-16 08:54:25
391.   D4P
And it's Chalkie. Geez.

See, I thought it sounded like Chalkie. But other people thought that it must be Sharkie, given his half-sharkness.

2006-12-16 09:00:31
392.   D4P
And why women are the devil


2006-12-16 09:01:00
393.   Andrew Shimmin
Thinking more about my list, I'm now sure Deconstructing Harry should have made it. Lots of people hated it, but I think that it may have been the victim of the consensus that Woody had fallen off. He hasn't made anything since that I liked much, but I love Deconstructing Harry. I really, really hope that that's what hell is like, for obvious reasons.
2006-12-16 09:04:18
394.   twerp
Any ideas whether the Dodgers should look at Chin-Hui Tsao, non-tendered by the Rockies?

Bad Altitude describes his stuff as "electric." Said to throw 97-8 w/ movement. Some big K totals in minors.

Colorado cut him loose for a reason. Why? Is he still seen as a potential major-leaguer?

2006-12-16 09:05:20
395.   Andrew Shimmin
392- I can laugh at Homer Simpson, I can laugh at a movie where every female type is a scheming harpy. It's cheap, like fart jokes, but when it plays, it plays.
2006-12-16 09:08:18
396.   Steve
Thinking more about my list, I'm now sure Deconstructing Harry should have made it.

I will now jam this letter opener into my eyes.

2006-12-16 09:10:56
397.   Andrew Shimmin
396- "I think you're the opposite of a paranoid. I think you go around with the insane delusion that people like you."
2006-12-16 09:11:21
398.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Tsao's stuff was "electric" now in the sense that he would need a robotic arm to throw effectively.
2006-12-16 09:12:12
399.   Andrew Shimmin

(language warning, as there ought to have been one on the Stallone thing I linked earlier)

2006-12-16 09:16:55
400.   Steve
Man oh man, how I hates them Fancy Lads.
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2006-12-16 09:22:31
401.   Dark Horse
Clearly it's way, way after the fact here, and it's a relief to see a list that's not merely another regurgitation of the usual, however:

1. Chinatown (WTF, people, with all respect due to 'Cabin Boy' and the blasted Coen Brothers...Chinatown, Chinatown, Chinatown.)

2. Say Anything (pre-shark-jump Cameron Crowe represent.)

3. Groundhog Day (yeah, me too.)

4. The Hustler (just because, y'know, it's a better movie than 'That Thing You Do.'

5. The Conversation (because it's a relief to see one of these lists without including The Godfather 1 OR 2)

Just had to get that said.

2006-12-16 09:26:57
402.   Steve
If you will concede that Chinatown was made in the 1970's, I will concede that it is a better movie than Cabin Boy.
2006-12-16 09:30:15
403.   Sushirabbit
Nice riff on Wild Strawberries, too.

I think Ingrid might be number one on my sexist list. If I really had to choose just a few, only this isn't spoofing W.

At least I don't remember that question being asked of Presidents, but Pellam you're a genius. They should ask those questions at the stupid debates, top 5 sexiest women/men, top 5 favorites movies, favorite Shakespeare play. It'd be fun to ask them for Strange Brew quote, too.

That was a nice fantasy while it lasted. Can you imagine the handlers and writers preparing for that stuff?

See ya! Gotta go write a screenplay....

2006-12-16 09:31:05
404.   gpellamjr
390 I'm offended. I don't make the teachers list? Pff. Now I know you have something against me, if I don't qualify as "suspect".
2006-12-16 09:34:10
405.   Andrew Shimmin
404- No, you don't understand. The list was of those exempted from suspicion. Rest assured, you have my full suspicion. No doubt about it.
2006-12-16 09:35:10
406.   Sushirabbit
403 refers to 393, and in a twisted way to 383, and so on.
2006-12-16 09:36:19
407.   Sushirabbit
ack, and change presidents to candidates.
2006-12-16 09:40:05
408.   gpellamjr
405 In my excitement at the prospect of finding my name, I missed the whole point of your statement. The world is well again.
2006-12-16 09:44:25
409.   Dark Horse
402-Ah, I didn't consider (having not read the thread carefully enough perhaps) this was all period-specific. Which is suddenly so flagrantly obvious I, uh...Juan Pierre anyone? Well, strike everything from my list except Say Anything and Groundhog Day then. Throw in Cabin Boy, why not? Or How High, which is either the most hilariously incomprehensible comedy of the last ten years or I was myself, um, uncomprehending enough to find the damn thing funny at all. Never mind.

(Crumples ballot and throws it out the window.)

2006-12-16 09:50:35
410.   Sushirabbit
If it helps any I liked the Conversation, too. I was shootin' for the 90s and still got one in the 80s and one in 2004. Was How high sort of like Up in Smoke?
2006-12-16 09:51:32
411.   Andrew Shimmin
Say Anything was '89.

Also, was it really that good? Haven't seen it since I was a teenager, but, even though I should have been the target audience (well, nearly; I wasn't a teenage girl) I didn't note anything special about it. I mean, besides Ione Skye, but she was in The Rachel Papers, which was much more enjoyable, for a teenage boy. But I do go on. . .

2006-12-16 09:53:25
412.   twerp
398 re 394 All I know--very little, most of the time--is that this appeared on Bad Altitude Dec. 13. Isn't this the guy who does the thread? If so, and if Tsao is toast injury-wise, why say his Colorado career is over, mention he might do better in a bigger park, etc.? I dunno....

From Upon Further Reflection thread==

2.   Mark Donohue

I assume the reason that Chin-Hui Tsao was non-tendered is that the Rockies needed space on the 40-man roster. If that's the case, that means his Colorado career is over. Too bad, anyone who saw him pitch in person knows his stuff is electric. He might be better suited to a bigger ballpark, however. I wish him the best.

2006-12-16 09:54:01
413.   Icaros
The film thread has been going since yesterday. Why don't we switch to something else like, uh, all-time favorite Bryan Adams songs.

Go ahead and start us off, Andrew.

2006-12-16 09:59:33
414.   Andrew Shimmin
I listen to Bryan Adams every morning while I write in my dream diary.
2006-12-16 10:00:27
415.   Bob Timmermann
That comment cuts like a knife.
2006-12-16 10:01:18
416.   Marty
Reminder about the Happy Holiday of your choice fundraiser:

I'm going to match up to $200 of DT commenter's donations to this site.

Just drop me an email at when you make a contribution. I'll track the responses and match the amounts up to $200 total. Please put Dodger Thoughts in the subject of the mail to make it easier for me to find.

Please don't think there is any pressure to contribute if you don't want to/can't afford to. It's perfectly fine.

So far, I've gotten notice for $70 dollars in donations from some fine people out there. Don't you want to be like them? :-)

2006-12-16 10:02:58
417.   Icaros

Is that before or after grooming your pony?

2006-12-16 10:03:53
418.   D4P
Say Anything was '89. Also, was it really that good?

No. It was horrible. The Juan Pierre of movies.

2006-12-16 10:04:20
419.   Marty
Grooming your pony makes for a great euphemism.
2006-12-16 10:05:36
420.   Marty
You get to see a very young Jeremy Piven in Say Anything. Plus it features a Replacements song I really like.
2006-12-16 10:06:04
421.   Disabled List
I'm late to the thread, so I better get this in before the Bryan Adams love-fest begins.

L.A. Confidential
Miller's Crossing
Fight Club

With a special shout-out to Lebowski, Pulp Fiction, Magnolia, Shawshank, JFK, Lone Star, and some other good ones mentioned earlier.

2006-12-16 10:07:15
422.   bhsportsguy
Bill Simmons has now entered the J.D. Drew zone... per

Q: You have NO idea how much you will hate J.D. Drew.
--Dave Geeting, St. Louis

SG: Uh-oh, looks like we're entering the "If you're a Red Sox fan, you're about to be in a terrible mood reading all these J.D. Drew e-mails" portion of the mailbag. You knew it was coming. Just humor me.

Q: I just wanted to congratulate you on your team becoming the new Mets. You know, the team that overspends on guys who sound good on paper, but who will totally flop under the pressure of their ridiculous contracts and the city's overbearing media. I'm sure Drew and Lugo will be very happy on their new teams in a year or two when the Sox have to dump their stupid contracts for 30 cents on the dollar.
--Ben Teaford. Rocky Hill, Conn.

SG: (Punching myself in the face.)

Q: As a Dodgers fan, I was upset when I heard Drew opted out. Then I remembered how much money he was giving up and thought he was crazy -- after all, no one would pay $11 million a year for a corner outfielder who hits .280 with 20 HRs and looks like he doesn't care. Not once in his Dodger tenure do I remember going, "Wow. J.D. Drew really came up big for us last night." Good riddance.
--Josh, Santa Barbara, Calif.

SG: (Slamming my hand in a door.)

Q: The day Drew opted out of his Dodger contract was like the feeling I had on Christmas morning when I was 7 and got my first pair of skates … an utterly joyous occasion. This man has no passion or love for the game of baseball and plays the game accordingly. It is fitting that he will be playing for Boston fans who will hate this guy with a passion by the second spring training game. As a fan of the game, I am sad that any other fans have to watch this guy -- except maybe Yankee fans; I was hoping Steinbrenner would overpay him. Good luck, this is your worst nightmare!
--Tom Rowe, Long Beach, Calif.

SG: (Repeatedly ramming my body into my Christmas tree.)

Q: Just a stellar quote from Epstein about the J.D. Drew signing: "Virtually every player is a collection of strengths and weaknesses." Equivalent to when your buddy has a new girlfriend, and you know she's nuts, and he knows she's nuts, and she does something crazy like ask him for his e-mail password "just to prove that he trusts her," and the buddy tries to laugh it off by saying "but all women are a little crazy, you know, right?" It's never a good sign when the fans of the team that a player left are happier than the fans of the team that that player signed with.
--Sam, Los Angeles

SG: (Ramming a candy cane into my eye.)

Q: I am a lifelong Dodgers fan and having one of the greatest laughs of my life watching the Red Sox sign J.D. Drew. I couldn't believe the Dodgers gave that bum $11 million a year to play sucky, injury-plagued, emotionless baseball. I was even more stunned when he OPTED OUT of that goldmine contract, although very happy because he was a joke. So, you can only imagine once I heard that he was getting $14 million a year from another team, I laughed my a$$ off! What was your thought process during this whole scenario?
--David S., Toledo, Ohio

SG: Thanks for asking. I haven't been this horrified by a big move from a Boston team since the Celtics traded for Vin Baker four summers ago. The Sox just signed someone who, by all accounts, plays without any semblance of passion or intensity. He's the exact type of player that Boston fans have always hated. We have a century-long track record of proving this point. That's the part I don't get. It's not like Theo is from France -- he's from freaking Brookline. He should have known. Arrrrrrrrrgh. One last e-mail about Drew …

Q: What did Bono say to the Yankees fan after hearing about the J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo signings?

"Well, tonight thank God it's them instead of you!!!!!"
--Michael Rupp, Fairfield, Conn.

SG: Now that's comedy. Well done. It's just a shame that Michael Rupp was overshadowed by Sly Cooley this week.

2006-12-16 10:08:07
423.   Bob Timmermann
Anybody like Bach? I have now come in to possession of an extra ticket for tonight's concert at Disney Hall.

You can contact me offline. The price would be zero. You'd just have to pay for your own parking.

Disney Hall is like Dodger Stadium without the beach balls!

2006-12-16 10:10:08
424.   Disabled List
If you want to see a young Jeremy Piven, check out One Crazy Summer. I just saw it on cable a few weeks ago, and I had forgotten how funny it was. Cheesy 80s flick to be sure, but it holds up surprisingly well. Also with a young Demi Moore.

Whatever happened to Savage Steve Holland?

2006-12-16 10:11:31
425.   Icaros
Another interesting aspect of Say Anything is the Cusack character's belief that kickboxing was the sport of the future.

Add some ground and pound, submissions, and throw a cage around him you've got the first MMA fighter ever.

I prefer Better Off Dead, though.

2006-12-16 10:12:22
426.   bhsportsguy
423 Except when the organ plays, do not yell "Charge!"
2006-12-16 10:14:56
427.   Bob Timmermann
My seats are next to the organ pipes as well.
2006-12-16 10:16:11
428.   Steve
I have seen Heat mentioned several times. And I liked Heat -- it's not like one of Shimmin's crazy-talk movies, but I don't get the Top 5 status. What am I missing on that one?
2006-12-16 10:17:12
429.   bhsportsguy
Reading back on Theo's comments about Drew, they are similar to DePo when he said he was targeting J.D. to play about 140-145 games, which in fairness he did last year. But, those types of comments generally don't endear a player to the new club's fans.
2006-12-16 10:18:46
430.   Bob Timmermann
The big bank robbery scene in Heat took several weeks to film. It was right outside the library. Traffic was snarled every Saturday for a while. One day when everybody was trying to leave, we had to wait while Tom Sizemore and Al Pacino ran up and down the street with prop Uzis shooting at each other.

Bad times.

Bad times.

2006-12-16 10:23:14
431.   D4P
Anybody like Bach?

The lead singer of Skid Row...?

I prefer Better Off Dead, though.


2006-12-16 10:23:47
432.   Andrew Shimmin
I heard a rumor that Steve rents The Piano twice a week and fast forwards to the naked-Harvey-Keitel scenes.
2006-12-16 10:26:12
433.   bhsportsguy
What about the best films made in 1939.

Gone with the Wind (not one of my favorites but an epic film with great lead casting);
The Wizard of Oz;
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington;
Stagecoach (Third film on this list that character actor, Thomas Mitchell appeared in);
Gunga Din;
Of Mice and Men;
Wuthering Heights;
and Goodbye Mr. Chips

That year, there were 10 nominations for best picture (GWTW won)

Not all of these films stand up but so many do, which is why 1939 has been considered the best year ever for film.

2006-12-16 10:28:24
434.   Bob Timmermann
If I lived in a sitcom world, I would take my uncultured guy friend named Sully with me to the concert. Sully would complain that everyone is singing in Latin and would try to scope out the female players in the orchestra to see if he could try to hit on one of them after the performance, only to get bored, fall asleep and snore loudly.

Why don't I have friends like that?

2006-12-16 10:35:09
435.   Steve
Penalty. Illegal use of the dash. Ten yard penalty. Still....second down.
2006-12-16 10:35:13
436.   Bob Timmermann
When my parents moved out to L.A. in 1960, they took visitors out to tours of the stars homes. They said Thomas Mitchell always was sitting out on his front porch waving to people.
2006-12-16 10:36:28
437.   Andrew Shimmin
There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law.
2006-12-16 10:36:32
438.   Sushirabbit
435, checking out books is probably not high on their priority list.
2006-12-16 10:36:42
439.   Marty
I believe Beau Geste was also made in 1939. I love that movie.
2006-12-16 10:37:25
440.   Dark Horse
418-I believe I am now, suddenly, over the moon about the Juan Pierre signing. Say Anything is indeed a very good movie, albeit for reasons that are easy to overlook: the sharpness of the dialogue, a certain eye for the zingy detail. (Why do I feel like I've just opened my mouth to talk about "intangibles" and "clubhouse presence?" Well, as a writer at least I know whereof I speak.) It's one of the best romantic comedies of semi-recent memory. To hear it derided as "horrible" approaches the preposterous.

Better Off Dead's pretty hot stuff too. ("Right off!")

2006-12-16 10:38:44
441.   Andrew Shimmin
Plus there wasn't a single dash in the thing. But, if we were looking for dicey dash work, we might have a gander at 428 where there's a parenthetical aside opened with a dash and curiously closed with a comma. What's that about?
2006-12-16 10:40:44
442.   Bob Timmermann
A hyphen is not a dash, but a raven is like a writing desk.
2006-12-16 10:40:51
443.   bhsportsguy
434 On a flight back from Denver, I met the oboeist for the L.A. Philharmonic. The story of the missing cello had been in the news, she told me that the orchestra owns a few instruments in that category, the celloist in question is quite eccentric to say the least.
2006-12-16 10:40:54
444.   Greg Brock
Say Anything is a movie I tell females I like, in order to seem romantic. I also do this with the novels of Jane Austen.
2006-12-16 10:41:51
445.   Steve
Guilty as charged. My punishment is having to watch Election again.
2006-12-16 10:42:31
446.   Sushirabbit
I wonder what the record for correcting yourself is on DT? Hmm, that was intended for Mr T's question in 234. I know it must appear that I am on drugs.

But I stopped about 5 days ago. Perhaps I'm just giddy not to be in pain. Or maybe I'm on a train with Huey Walker.

2006-12-16 10:43:18
447.   Bob Timmermann
One of the amazing things after a concert is how fast the musicians leave. I've seen some walking ahead of me out the exit still in their tuxedos or gowns carrying their instrument in a case.
2006-12-16 10:43:38
448.   bhsportsguy
439 Yep
2006-12-16 10:44:16
449.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going to stand outside Greg Brock's house with a boombox playing Peter Gabriel really loud.

Either that or "Conquest".

2006-12-16 10:45:35
450.   bhsportsguy
I thought about using an ellipse in an earlier comment but I did not want to be called for a dead ball personal foul so I punted instead.
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2006-12-16 10:45:43
451.   Sushirabbit
I hope XeiFrank comes back.
2006-12-16 10:47:08
452.   bhsportsguy
449 Or, you could just sing in your loudest voice, "You, You, You, You, You, You oughta know."
2006-12-16 10:48:15
453.   Bob Timmermann

You have a keyboard that lets you type an ellipse? Wow, pretty good.

Most of us just type an ellipsis.

Sort of like this ...

2006-12-16 10:48:21
454.   bhsportsguy
451 I reprinted the entire Bill Simmons rant about J.D. Drew, that should cover baseball for another 100 or so movie, music or punctuation comments.
2006-12-16 10:49:24
455.   bhsportsguy
453 See what happens when I try to make punctuation comments.

Thanks Bob.

2006-12-16 10:50:13
456.   Bob Timmermann
Your comment about the ellipse obviously meant that you had lost your foci.
2006-12-16 10:50:16
457.   Greg Brock
I want 30 Dodger Thoughts commenters/lurkers to go out to various neighborhoods and blast "In Your Eyes" to their dream gals.

Let me know how successful it is.

2006-12-16 10:51:20
458.   Robert Daeley
457 My dream gal is in the other room, and we played that song at our wedding. So there. ;D
2006-12-16 10:52:24
459.   D4P
I hate "In Your Eyes," which probably doesn't help me like the movie.

I also never understood why they didn't cast a pretty girl for the lead female part...

2006-12-16 10:52:51
460.   Bob Timmermann
I will be prepared outside the Brock home:

2006-12-16 10:53:15
461.   Greg Brock
458 Yeah, but you already had her. Imagine doing so after the first date...on the night.

It's stalkeriffic!

2006-12-16 10:54:57
462.   Bob Timmermann
I think by most people's standards, Ione Skye was pretty enough. But the key was that you also had to have someone who would look believable as the really smart girl in school, but still could be considered socially awkward.

Unlike films where Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Lopez are portrayed as women who can't get guys to go out with them.

2006-12-16 10:56:01
463.   Andrew Shimmin
459- And so another DTer proves that all his taste in his mouth.
2006-12-16 10:57:00
464.   Greg Brock
I really dug a girl once, and employed the Say Anything radio scam.

Unfortunately, I used Black Sabbath's "War Pigs"

Didn't work.

2006-12-16 11:02:32
465.   Steve
Another DTer?
2006-12-16 11:11:30
466.   Greg Brock
#2 Pitt falls to #7 Wisconsin.
2006-12-16 11:11:31
467.   Greg Brock
#2 Pitt falls to #7 Wisconsin.
2006-12-16 11:11:44
468.   Greg Brock
2006-12-16 11:16:32
469.   Icaros
...naked Harvey Keitel scenes.

The ones in Bad Lieutenant are better.

2006-12-16 11:25:34
470.   Sushirabbit
462, I don't know. I think Daphne Zuniga suceeded better. She seemed both smart and attractive with less effort. In fact, The Sure Thing was a better movie to me. I'm putting her in my list. The sexist list, not the dead to me list.

Speaking of which the guys in my group actually created a list of the all the women in our company. I know, I know, we are all bad, bad, men. Anyway, one thing that surprised us all, was that there were way more "mature" women, strike that, insert Zuniga/Marry-Ann type women, on the list than the younger Brittany Spears types. Which, you know, speaks well for a bunch of sexist old geeks with nothing better to do than promote objectification by making lists.

Speaking of Brittany, aren't you all just amped with excitement to see her in another 20 years, married to some TV exec and espousing her political opinions?

{imagines Steve sticking his head in a vat of acid}

2006-12-16 11:26:21
471.   Greg Brock
Well, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse in Eugene, the Ducks are introducing football helmets that "change color, depending on the angle of the viewer."

2006-12-16 11:28:39
472.   D4P
I miss the old Duck uniforms from 1994 and before.
2006-12-16 11:29:42
473.   Icaros

That's just secret code for another mushroom harvest.

2006-12-16 11:30:09
474.   D4P
BTW: While we're on the topic of women, does anyone else out there think leg warmers are sexy...?
2006-12-16 11:31:54
475.   Greg Brock
D4P's been watching "Flashdance" again.
2006-12-16 11:32:07
476.   Icaros

Why don't you just tell us that Flashdance is your favorite movie ever and let it go?

2006-12-16 11:32:29
477.   Icaros
You'll pay for that, Brock!
2006-12-16 11:32:34
478.   Sushirabbit
Or what got into Harrison Ford?
2006-12-16 11:33:06
479.   D4P
I'm not sure I've ever really even seen Flashdance. But the point remains: leg warmers are hot!
2006-12-16 11:35:14
480.   Bob Timmermann
As someone who attended college in the early 1980s, I would have to say that the answer is decidedly no.
2006-12-16 11:35:18
481.   Icaros
leg warmers are hot!

Isn't this like saying, "Air conditioners are cool!"?

2006-12-16 11:37:16
482.   overkill94
Ione Skye not hot? Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?

Say Anything is a very good movie as far as rom-coms go, there's a lot of good dialogue between Cusack and his friends about relationships.

The Sure Thing was pretty good as well, but a bit too cheesy to be considered anything more than good.

Never seen Cabin Boy (x-2)^2 - (y-4)^2 = 0

2006-12-16 11:39:24
483.   D4P
That reminds me: I used to work on the greens crew at a golf course. In the fall, we broke out the leaf maintenance equipment. One piece was a large blower that you hooked up to a tractor to move leaves around. Another piece was a huge vacuum that picked up the leaves.

Whomever was hauling around the blower would say "This job blows." Whomever was hauling around the vacuum would say "This job sucks."

2006-12-16 11:40:46
484.   Sushirabbit
Hopefully, Ford isn't lurking under some weird pseudonym. Look man, if you are, I'm sorry, but ya know my pony likes mares with a little more meat on their bones. Say like Christy Brinkley, I think she once held up some leg-warmers. Can your girl do that?!
2006-12-16 11:41:12
485.   overkill94
I just botched my nerd joke, I don't remember what the equation for an ellipse is, but after looking it up it should have been something like (x/4)^2 + (y/8)^2 = 1
2006-12-16 11:44:14
486.   Greg Brock
Your original equation stated that soldiers in Iraq weren't smart.
2006-12-16 11:46:17
487.   Icaros
So did you prefer sucking or blowing for a living, D4P?
2006-12-16 11:47:43
488.   Sushirabbit
I think I'm treading dangerosuly into D4P territory.

Overkill, Skye is certainly hot. I just liked Zuniga a bit more. I guess I could watch both again, but I've got a bunch of John Ford DVDs piled up, so it's gonna be a few months. Now Maureen O'Hara was hot!

2006-12-16 11:48:03
489.   D4P
As someone who attended college in the early 1980s, I would have to say that the answer is decidedly no

Suitably worn, they can be quite appealing.

So did you prefer sucking or blowing for a living, D4P?

I was quite adept at both...Not that there's anything wrong with that...

2006-12-16 11:50:23
490.   Icaros
I liked Ione Skye best in River's Edge.
2006-12-16 11:52:41
491.   Sushirabbit
Sorry to miss 500, fellas. Keep it goin' it's almost there.

BTW, if DodgerHobbit is around, are you in the Ultimate Gated Community? IZ formerly GZ?

2006-12-16 11:55:20
492.   dianagramr

ROFL .... you are just too cool!

2006-12-16 11:59:59
493.   Bob Timmermann
Maureen O'Hara is still pretty hot for an 86-year old woman.

I wanted to ask her out once but there was a lock in her cold, mercenary heart.

2006-12-16 12:01:04
494.   Marty
490 Absolutely
2006-12-16 12:01:25
495.   Bob Timmermann
Five minutes left in the Division II championship. Grand Valley State leads NW Missouri State, 17-14.
2006-12-16 12:01:31
496.   dianagramr
Maureen O'Hara???? Isn't she dating Julio Franco?
2006-12-16 12:03:15
497.   Bob Timmermann
I think I saw Julio Franco dragging her all the way back to town!
2006-12-16 12:05:15
498.   Greg Brock
Ione Skye was outstanding as Anne's mother on Arrested Development.

"Oh Michael, take me into your secular world!"

2006-12-16 12:06:11
499.   D4P
Ione Skye was outstanding as Anne's mother on Arrested Development.

What? I guess I missed that. Well, I like her better now...

2006-12-16 12:10:41
500.   Icaros

I am so looking forward to seeing that episode.

The kid who plays George-Michael cracks me up to no end. His facial expressions are priceless.

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2006-12-16 12:11:16
501.   D4P
George Michael is brilliant.
2006-12-16 12:11:25
502.   Bob Timmermann
Coming down to the wire in the D-II championship. Looks like there were will be joy in Allandale and sadness in Maryville!
2006-12-16 12:12:06
503.   Bob Timmermann
Whoops, Allendale.
2006-12-16 12:13:39
504.   Greg Brock
Franklin was introduced in that episode. It's called "Meet the Veals, from the second season."

GOB: He said some things whitey wasn't ready to hear
Michael: Didn't you get beat up by some black guys outside a club in Torrance after that act?
GOB: He also said some things African-Americaney wasn't ready to hear.

2006-12-16 12:13:57
505.   dianagramr
the george michael sports machine is coming to an end soon ...
2006-12-16 12:16:39
506.   D4P


It ain't easy being white
It ain't easy being brown
All this pressure to be bright
I got children all over town

"Hey, where'd the guy go?"

2006-12-16 12:18:03
507.   Bob Timmermann
The Lakers win it!
2006-12-16 12:21:17
508.   Icaros
I liked when Lindsay thought George-Michael wanted his teacher (Heather Graham) to be his new mother, not realizing that he actually wanted his teacher period.
2006-12-16 12:24:38
509.   Greg Brock
Meet the Veals also introduced Tobias as Mrs. Featherbottom.

Man, what an amazing episode.

2006-12-16 12:27:30
510.   Greg Brock
Mrs. Featherbottom's enchanting entrance:

2006-12-16 12:28:24
511.   Icaros

Do you swear that you didn't fast-forward through any of the down-21-playing-beyond-horrible parts?

I hate watching the opponent shoot free-throws, so I skip through that when LA is losing and I'm frustrated and just wish Mike Bibby was dead.

2006-12-16 12:29:33
512.   Bob Timmermann
In the California State High School Football Championship Division III game, Oaks Christian leads Cardinal Newman 13-10 at halftime.

It's been a long time since anybody was that close to Oaks Christian at halftime.

Marc Tyler was interviewed at halftime and he said he will be USC's power running back that they were missing this year. His coach compared him to Reggie Bush.

He's good. But he's not that good. But he was very good at getting kids from Fillmore and Ojai to miss him!

2006-12-16 12:29:38
513.   DodgerHobbit
No, I'm not military, Sorry. Wife used to be though. I'm kicking it in a gated community in Henderson, NV.
Just curious but what made ya think I was in the un-green zone?
2006-12-16 12:30:35
514.   Bob Timmermann
Wrong Lakers.

I was watching the Grand Valley State Lakers.

2006-12-16 12:31:26
515.   Icaros
My favorite AD episode that I've seen so far is "Pier Pressure."
2006-12-16 12:32:28
516.   Icaros

Okay. I was wondering why you suddenly cared about the Lakers.

2006-12-16 12:33:53
517.   D4P
Yeah, Pier Pressure is generally considered one of the top episodes.

"I was gonna smoke the marijuana, like a cigarette"

"Maybe he meant the other George Michael. You know, the singer-songwriter."

2006-12-16 12:34:06
518.   Bob Timmermann
I haven't gotten very excited about the Lakers since Jim McMillan was on the team.
2006-12-16 12:36:51
519.   Icaros
I also liked the one with "Boyfights," and the Mexican workers laughing at Baby Buster.
2006-12-16 12:46:55
520.   Bob Timmermann
Jimmy Clausen has thrown three interceptions in the first half, matching his season total.
2006-12-16 12:51:23
521.   Greg Brock
520 I'm sure you're very disappointed about that.
2006-12-16 12:57:17
522.   Bob Timmermann
Cardinal Newman is finding that the best way to keep Oaks Christian from scoring at will is to never give them the ball. Oaks Christian had the ball for just a little over 5 minutes the whole first half.
2006-12-16 12:58:59
523.   Bob Timmermann
Tales of the USPS:
I sent my rent check out on time, however I wrote the wrong city that matches up with the ZIP Code. I wrote "Carson" for a Gardena ZIP.

The post office crossed out Carson and wrote Gardena on the envelope and after two weeks mailed it back to me as undeliverable even though all the other elements of the address were correct.

2006-12-16 12:59:22
524.   Greg Brock
I'm watching right now.
2006-12-16 13:02:16
525.   Icaros

Looks like Brock is moving in on my old Bob-stalking job down there.

2006-12-16 13:02:21
526.   D4P
I'm watching right now

The "Michael Bolton: Tribute on Ice" special on NBC...?

2006-12-16 13:03:35
527.   Bob Timmermann
I've never seen anybody move the ball on the Oakies (as my friend and I have dubbed them) since 2001.
2006-12-16 13:05:12
528.   Greg Brock
Well, the Oakies have to be in shock right now. Of course, they finally get the ball.
2006-12-16 13:06:53
529.   Bob Timmermann
I fully expect the Oakies to march down the field in about 5 plays.

I saw Grace Brethren drive all the way down to the 1 against the Oakies, turn it over on downs and then two plays later, Marc Tyler went 97 yards.

However, Tyler isn't playing today.

2006-12-16 13:07:44
530.   Bob Timmermann
Xeifrank and I may be the only people here who know who the last team to beat the Oakies was.
2006-12-16 13:10:23
531.   Bob Timmermann
Is it safe to say that Jerry Robinson is Cardinal Newman's most famous alum?
2006-12-16 13:14:21
532.   trainwreck
I think leg warmers are hot.
2006-12-16 13:14:50
533.   Bob Timmermann
That third down call by the Oakies was right out of the Lane Kiffin playbook.
2006-12-16 13:14:56
534.   Steve
The best AD episode is where Buster climbs in the trunk, ends up in Santa Ana, and thinks he's in Mexico.
2006-12-16 13:22:28
535.   Greg Brock
534 Outstanding episode. It's also the episode where he sees the red hand chair in Lupe's house and says "Gee, I never thought I'd miss a hand this much."

He loses his real hand like three episodes later.

2006-12-16 13:28:04
536.   overkill94
Are all high school run defenses this bad?
2006-12-16 13:29:20
537.   Bob Timmermann

The Oakies have very good running backs. The Oakies run defense never gets tested much since they are always so far ahead.

2006-12-16 13:34:31
538.   overkill94
Bob, is that the prima donna quarterback you were talking about? That little clip they showed of him announcing his decision to go to Notre Dame made him look like a little punk.
2006-12-16 13:35:21
539.   Marty
This Sherwood Country Club looks like a nice course.
2006-12-16 13:36:07
540.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, young Mr. Clausen will be my nemesis for the next four years.

I would say that when I was stringing prep football that the Oaks Christian staff and coaches were all very nice people to work with.

2006-12-16 13:36:12
541.   Greg Brock
538 That would be Jimmy Clausen, yes.
2006-12-16 13:38:26
542.   overkill94
Somebody needs to tell him that no successful QB has ever had that goofy haircut
2006-12-16 13:39:20
543.   Bob Timmermann

Jim McMahon had a haircut similar to Clausen's didn't he?

2006-12-16 13:40:17
544.   Greg Brock
I was gonna say McMahon, but he had more of a ridiculous punk-looking mullet.
2006-12-16 13:41:35
545.   overkill94
At least McMahon's made him look semi-tough. This one just makes him look like he's late to the set of the new Sum-41 video.
2006-12-16 13:42:40
546.   trainwreck
I have read some stories about Matt Simms and he seems to be a terribly arrogant little jerk.
2006-12-16 13:44:33
547.   Eric Enders
D4P is now officially on my "on notice" list. Hates Say Anything? Hates Ione Skye? Do you hate Fernando too? Or Kirk Gibson?
2006-12-16 13:45:07
548.   Bob Timmermann
Is Matt Simms another scion of the QB Simms family?
2006-12-16 13:47:22
549.   Bob Timmermann
Oaks Christian is turning into Miami against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl.
2006-12-16 13:48:18
550.   overkill94
6 of 33 field goals? Ouch.
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2006-12-16 13:48:49
551.   Bob Timmermann
That graphic can't be right. The Cardinal Newman kicker can't be 6 of 33 on field goals on the season. No high school team kicks that many. Especially if the kicker were that bad.
2006-12-16 13:49:54
552.   Bob Timmermann
33 field goal attempts in 15 games is a lot. High school teams just don't try field goals that often.
2006-12-16 13:50:23
553.   trainwreck
Yeah. He was so bad at his last game, flipping off fans, running over to opposing teams bench during game, talking all kinds of trash and he would not apologize for it. So, Chris Simms went to the other teams lockeroom and apologized on his behalf.
2006-12-16 13:50:42
554.   Bob Timmermann
Go for it!
2006-12-16 13:51:21
555.   Bob Timmermann
Well, now you have to try a field goal.
2006-12-16 13:52:15
556.   dianagramr
VORPK ... value over replacement placekicker?
2006-12-16 13:52:18
557.   trainwreck
My friend said he heard on the radio that Suppan signed with Brewers.
2006-12-16 13:52:40
558.   Greg Brock
The state champ should be able to convert what amounts to little more than an extra point.
2006-12-16 13:53:00
559.   overkill94
551 It's like the Julio Lugo Theorem - they keep throwing him out there because they keep thinking he's "due".

And of course he nails the one that matters the far

2006-12-16 13:53:52
560.   Bob Timmermann
There's no way that kicker was 6 for 33 during the season. That kick was perfect. I've seen a lot of bad high school kickers. Guys who can barely get the ball over the line. Guys who are short on extra point attempts. Guys who have had negative yardage punts.
2006-12-16 13:54:26
561.   overkill94
557 Everything i've heard has him waiting until Zito signs so that he's the best left on the market. I believe the Brewers recently talked to him, but I'd be surprised if he actually signed already.
2006-12-16 13:54:27
562.   Bob Timmermann
High school OT in California is like college OT.
2006-12-16 13:55:09
563.   Greg Brock
Well now, I don't know about kicking the ball away like that. Not too smart.
2006-12-16 13:56:03
564.   Bob Timmermann
I think that should have been a touchback since the impetus of the ball carried the receiver back into the end zone.
2006-12-16 13:58:24
565.   D4P
D4P is now officially on my "on notice" list. Hates Say Anything? Hates Ione Skye? Do you hate Fernando too? Or Kirk Gibson?

Say Anything: yes.
Ione Skye: no, just didn't think she was attractive.
Fernando and Kirk: no, though didn't think they were attractive either...

2006-12-16 13:59:33
566.   Bob Timmermann
Oaks Christian can't throw a Hail Mary! It's not a Catholic school!
2006-12-16 14:01:33
567.   Bob Timmermann
John Jackson telling Notre Dame fans not to put pressure on Clausen when he arrives is funny. Notre Dame is a notoriously low pressure place.
2006-12-16 14:03:00
568.   Greg Brock
Not too sure about single coverage, man to man on a last play Hail Mary. Might wanna double the recievers next time. That was a little too close.
2006-12-16 14:03:12
569.   Bob Timmermann
Hmm, I didn't realize they were using different OT rules for this one. They're starting at the 10 instead of the 25, like they do down here.
2006-12-16 14:03:59
570.   Greg Brock
Jimmy Clausen is headed to Notre Dame? Wow, that's news to me. You'd think the broadcasters would have mentioned it or something.
2006-12-16 14:05:48
571.   Bob Timmermann
In 12 years of stringing prep football, I covered only one OT game. It lasted two plays. La Canada beat Gladstone 13-10. Gladstone fumbled on the first play of their possession and then La Canada kicked a field goal.

That was a really ugly game. Lots of turnovers.

2006-12-16 14:05:58
572.   trainwreck
lol 60 minutes is doing a story on Larry the Cable Guy. They say everyone finds him funny ...
2006-12-16 14:06:36
573.   Bob Timmermann
Jimmy Clausen was going to go to Michigan, but was too distraught over Bo Schembechler's death.
2006-12-16 14:07:30
574.   Greg Brock
573 Hey, weren't we all?
2006-12-16 14:08:12
575.   Greg Brock
Jimmy Clausen is tied with Bo Schembechler for NCAA National Championships!
2006-12-16 14:09:20
576.   overkill94
572 Since when did the midwest = everyone?
2006-12-16 14:11:56
577.   Bob Timmermann
Aww, fish sticks!
2006-12-16 14:12:04
578.   overkill94
That was the slowest-developing end zone fade I've ever seen.
2006-12-16 14:12:53
579.   trainwreck
If you have not read the letter David Cross wrote to Larry the Cable Guy I highly suggest it.

Fart, Trainwreck

2006-12-16 14:13:04
580.   Greg Brock
That was big time PI.
2006-12-16 14:13:40
581.   Bob Timmermann
Looks like the officials wanted to get home early because there was pass interference on the last play.
2006-12-16 14:14:48
582.   regfairfield
The best player on my high school's team was the kicker. We may have gone 0-10-1, but the kicker could hit 60 yard field goals in practice.
2006-12-16 14:15:27
583.   Bob Timmermann
Your high school had 11 game regular seasons?
2006-12-16 14:16:46
584.   Bob Timmermann
That false start toward the end of regulation was a killer for Cardinal Newman. They needed to win in regulation. If they could have scored a TD in this OT, they should have gone for two.
2006-12-16 14:18:49
585.   dianagramr

It was 9 games that took so long, it seemed like 11?

2006-12-16 14:19:03
586.   Bob Timmermann
I am officially displeased with Oaks Christian's win. It will be forever besmirched in my opinion.

I will spend the rest of my life hoping that Jimmy Clausen's dreams go unfulfilled.

2006-12-16 14:20:38
587.   regfairfield
583 Guess not. It was 0-something-1.

As you can tell, my main involvement with the football team was laughing at them when they lost.

2006-12-16 14:23:11
588.   Greg Brock
The only problem with having a bad football team is that it kills your baseball team. Kids that play both sports don't want to attend your high school. It's a problem.
2006-12-16 14:23:49
589.   dianagramr
Jimmy Clausen in Coors Field in 2000 ....

(just trying to circle the thread back around)

2006-12-16 14:24:55
590.   regfairfield
588 Our baseball team was number one in the nation at one point, so that didn't seem to be a problem.
2006-12-16 14:26:41
591.   Greg Brock
590 It's a problem at other schools around. It doesn't make your baseball team bad, but it does make some good players go elsewhere.
2006-12-16 14:44:30
592.   Bob Timmermann
If your high school was a baseball title machine like mine, the quality of the football team didn't matter. We just cranked out the pro prospects like sausages..
2006-12-16 14:44:49
593.   Greg Brock
I would like to take this opportunity to offer my condolences to Laura Mallory of Augusta, GA, who's appeal to ban the Harry Potter books from libraries was denied. But she's taking it in stride. "If I have saved one parent the heartache that others have gone through, watching their children get into witchcraft as a result of these books, then it's worth it."


2006-12-16 14:49:44
594.   Bob Timmermann
In 17 years of being a liberrian, I've only had one person challenge any material (not counting the internet which is a whole other thing). It was a VHS copy of "Paint Your Wagon."
2006-12-16 14:50:16
595.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, it's been 18 years! Damn I'm old.
2006-12-16 14:55:12
596.   Greg Brock
I tried to get The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn banned because I thought it promoted reckless rafting.

Safety first, people.

2006-12-16 15:23:04
597.   Dark Horse
593-Might I suggest joining you outside a library with a boombox blasting 'War Pigs?' That might be more effective for witchcraft recruitment.

It's funny. I do indeed love the novels of Jane Austen, but it took me many years to apprehend why one might truly love them other than for chick appeal.

2006-12-16 15:25:03
598.   Greg Brock
Boston, we have a problem?

2006-12-16 15:26:22
599.   trainwreck
Is liberrian a word?
2006-12-16 15:27:15
600.   trainwreck
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2006-12-16 15:32:25
601.   Bob Timmermann
Only liberrians can say "liberrians".

It's a librarian thing, you wouldn't understand.

2006-12-16 15:32:51
602.   trainwreck
I am guessing Drew's knee is the culprit.
2006-12-16 15:34:48
603.   Bob Timmermann
Will Carroll is saying it's a shoulder issue.
2006-12-16 15:35:26
604.   Greg Brock
602 Will Caroll says shoulder damage.
2006-12-16 15:35:50
605.   Bob Timmermann
Link to that:

2006-12-16 15:36:03
606.   Greg Brock
603 You'll pay for that.
2006-12-16 15:36:05
607.   trainwreck
I remember a doctor said that Dreifort was literally injury prone. Could JD have the same problem?
2006-12-16 15:37:06
608.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2006-12-16 15:37:48
609.   xaphor
598. How funny would it be if Drew had been playing through an injury all year?

Drew can turn this around and use it as a selling point to endear himself to the Average Nation. He's a crafty one.

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