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2) personally attacking other commenters
3) baiting other commenters
4) arguing for the sake of arguing
5) discussing politics
6) using hyperbole when something less will suffice
7) using sarcasm in a way that can be misinterpreted negatively
8) making the same point over and over again
9) typing "no-hitter" or "perfect game" to describe either in progress
10) being annoyed by the existence of this list
11) commenting under the obvious influence
12) claiming your opinion isn't allowed when it's just being disagreed with
... is not of anything I saw. It's of a postcard I got from my father while I was at summer camp, describing Dave Parker's tremendous throw home.
Later in life, I saw a clip of the throw. I can vaguely remember that. I remember the postcard clearly, though.
I remembered:
1) the game was boring
2) the NL won easily
3) Claude Osteen had to wear a Braves helmet when he batted because he apparently didn't bring a Dodgers one along and Willie Davis's didn't fit.
Off topic, I've been lurking here for a while now and finally decided to register. You guys are a smart bunch and I've enjoyed your comments and insights. Thanks for keeping me entertained during my downtime at work.
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Way to go Bob, nice jinx.
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"With Mota out of here, did I do things slightly different?" Tracy said. "Yeah, you had to."
Plaschke flew all the way to Pittsburgh to get that quote. If Tracy's still in his 'honeymoon' period, maybe he can get the Post Gazette to hire him.
I won't apologize for my special ed kids having more ability than Plaschke, though...
Great rant. I enjoyed it.
Death to Plaschke.
wwww.firebillplaschke.com
it needs to be made.
This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I may not read the Times Sports section for a while.
Nah, you just realize that some guys, like Plascke, think that 2+2=6. The public education system failed him, not us.
12- what you wrote was longer than Billy goat's article. Maybe the LA Times will hire you. Just make sure to use more spacing; 1 sentence per paragraph.
Of course, I find humor in the ignorance of others. It makes me feel smarter.
Yeah, but he's an editor for largest publication in a major media center. Public education might have failed him, but it obviously didn't fail him enough.
I believe he posts as BlueTahoe.
OTOH, my girlfriend that knows nothing about sports understands that correlation does not equal causation (at least I hope she does).
Jon has done enough stuff on the Gange being overrused topic that any knucklehead that knows how to use Google can find it. Seriously, if a former starter can't pitch 3 innings, than is he really worth a spit? I can understand not pitching Mo or Hoffman (more than a decade into their career) more than a couple innings. A 27-yo just a couple of years removed from starting shouldn't worry a manager much if he is starting.
22 Joey, that's just not fair.
just when i think know nothing.....
you write an article that proves it. Today's Brad Penny story ranks right next to your article in the fall of 2001 proclaiming that Los Angeles was a bruin town. That USC was dead. How did that work out for you at the end?
I'll go point by point in your article and prove you wrong.
"The truth was also behind the plate, in the presence of catcher Paul Lo Duca, whose leadership the trade eliminated."
Really Bill. his leadership? How many playoff appearances did the Dodgers make with Lo Duca's "leadership"? How many times did Lo Duca's "leadership" lead Florida to the playoffs? Must of been those monster second halves Lo Duca is known for. As far as Lo Duca being voted in, that was a sham. How many Redsox, Yankee, And Met players were voted in? Pretty much every starter. Maybe because all ESPN shows is Yankee, Redsox or Met game. The catchers for the national league should have been Russell Martin, Johnny Estrada or Kelly McCann all of whom have better numbers then Lo Duca. Oh right, I forgot the leadership part.
"The truth was also in the bullpen, in the absence of Eric Gagne, whose career the trade may have ruined."
You wanna talk about revisionist history. Didn't Gagne's arm troubles start in the spring of 05 when "leaders" Jim Tracy and Jim Colburn let Gagne pitch when he had hurt his knee. The altering of Gagne's mechanics is what led to Gagne's injury, not overuse in the stretch run. Tracy and Colburn are proven morons. Zach Duke was pretty much unbeatable last season, one of the few bright spots in Pittsburgh. So what do these "leaders" do. Change his mechanics. Now guy can't win a game.
"When the Dodgers needed him for the playoffs at the end of 2004, he was physically unable. Last September and October, he pitched only 18 2/3 innings."
You are absolutely right. Penny did get hurt upon arrival in 04. Injuries happen. Doesn't mean the trade wasn't a good trade. The Dodgers needed a frontline pitcher. When your starting rotation consists of Nomo (who by the way was DONE) Ishii, Lima, Alvarez, Perez, and Weaver, the biggest need is starting pitching.
As for Penny pitching only 18 2/3 innings last Sept./Oct. who cares? The Dodgers were out of the race. What was the point of pitching him in meaningless games when he is coming off an injury? Seems to me that thinking like this could have prevented Gagne's injury.
And as far as others involved in the trade, Bill Murphy was the key to the Dodgers acquiring Steve Finley without whom they don't win the NL west.
I'll finish this with a quote. Let me preface this by saying that many consider you to be among the best in your field. That is just plain sad. Anyway this quote kind of sums up how many Dodger Fans and I feel about you-
"You know what wakes me up in the middle of the night covered in a cold sweat? Knowing that you aren't any worse than anyone else in your whole screwed up generation. In the old days, you know how you got to the top? Huh? By being better than the guy ahead of you. How do you people get to the top? By being so incompetent, that the guy ahead of you can't do his job, so he falls on his ass and congratulations, you are now on top. And now the top is down here, it used to be up here... and you don't even know the difference.
AVG .311 | HR 12 | RBI 31 | OBP .384 | SLG .681 | OPS 1.065
"My agents talked to the GM and asked for a trade," Hall told the Tribune on Monday. "They were told, `We asked for Toby, we got Toby, and we're not trading Toby.'"
But Colletti denied that any such conversation took place.
"I haven't talked to Sam Levinson since the day of the trade (June 26)," said Colletti, adding that the subject of another trade didn't come up in that conversation.
Hall was an everyday catcher for Tampa Bay, but after the trade was relegated to backup duty behind Russell Martin. He has started two games for the Dodgers. He also entered for the final two innings of a third game after pinch hitting with the Dodgers leading by eight runs, an assignment that further rankled Hall.
"I need more respect than that," he said.
"I haven't talked to Sam Levinson. . ." singular
It takes two to lie, one to lie and one to listen!
The RGC for today is for the 1955 All-Star game.
i believe his throw home to nail brian downing was used during the end credits to "this week in baseball" for quite a while after that.
i probably only saw half of the all star games from 78-87 or so because it usually coincided with our family road trip vacations, so a lot of my memories are of sitting around a campfire with the old transistor radio wondering why bruce botche or whomever was representing the mariners was on the al squad.
I don't remember any particular early All-Star game, though I know I watched them. I have a very strong clear recent memory of being in the bar in the Menger Hotel in San Antonio with my brother in law, next to a picture of Babe Ruth visiting the Menger Hotel, as the 1998 (or an adjacent year) All-Star game was starting on TV and looking up and there was Jeff Shaw in a Dodgers uniform and I thought -- Hey, that guy's not on the Dodgers (not knowing he'd been traded in the days before the game)
My five-year-old son came in the bonus room last night, noticed how engrossed I was in Penny's pitching performance, and flatly said, "Baseball's the worst." This led to a tickle-wrestling main event, which was exactly what he was trying to accomplish.
Plaschke is NOT an editor, he's a columnist. I was an editor there, and it makes me queasy being lumped in with him. Editors are bound by facts, whereas columnists can apparently make up anything they like.
So, it would be hard I think to overstate the success of the first annual DT All-Star Break Fundraiser. Over 40 people kicked in, obviously my match was capped, and they're serving champagne and caviar at DT Global Headquarters. Thanks to everyone who played, and everyone else who tolerated the interruption.
Sam
"'He wasn't able to throw,' National League manager Phil Garner said. 'Let's just leave it at that.'
He was asked if he was kidding.
'I wish I were,' Garner said."
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Arroyo, who had pitched on Sunday and said he celebrated a little too hard upon his arrival in Pittsburgh, said he made it clear to Garner that he did not want to pitch on just one day of rest.
Don't forget the 3 years of contention Lo Duca was supposed to give us. Since when is an aging catcher a key piece to a contender?
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That's now TWO people who have received that message from Amazon.
You do the the math.
I wonder if he snuck this one by the editor, and the editor will have a word to say to Bill after he reads the garbage Bill put out.
It's not like this was high school journalism class and Plaschke sneaked his galleys in to the printer.
Plaschke can write anything he wants, whether the facts support it or not, and the editors print it. They're complicit.
Ya know, a year ago, this would have made me scream, but now it makes me laugh. As the man said, I used to be disgusted, but now, I try to be amused.
Jon, I'm happy that Sam's drive was such a success. When I read that article, the first thing I thought was: gotta get to DT for a laugh. To that extent, I consider your site the first line of defense. Thanks.
The libel laws obviously need to be re-written.
"Dodger Thoughts - Protecting Dodger fans from the Plaschkocracy Since 2002"
53 - Why would the editor reject it? Obviously people are talking about it, which likely means they're also reading it.
I thought most libel law was common law however.
I guess Steve is going to make it his goal to go after the Sullivan decision.
Or maybe Plaschke's column falls under the "fighting words" doctrine.
But I really think, the column should have been spiked as it ran afoul of the "clear and present danger" standard established in the Pentagon Papers case.
Terry A nails it. Look we all read it, didn't we?
Not me. Does he attribute any of the Mets' success this year to Lo Duca's presence?
Shouldn't it mean he's ignoring Moneyball and also not wearing underpants?
I thought that was Unitarianism.
The 1971 game was also memorable although I didn't actually see the game. We were on a camping trip somewhere in British Columbia and my dad and I sat in the station wagon and listened to the game while my mom and sisters did regular "camping stuff". The game seemed more like a homerun derby with Jackson, Aaron and others hitting HR's.
Forget moneyball, he ignores all logical reasoning all together.
Writing the article about Penny is more like writing an article about how USC isn't for real... about two years into their run.
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My best baseball memory so far, is October 25, 1997. I remember watching the Marlins and Indians and un-buttoning what must have been 100 buttons on the back of my wife's wedding dress and then removing a similar number of bobbie pins from her hair. We were so pleased to be finally watching the game and relaxing that all the shenanigans of my friends was amusing to us. I am definitely blessed to have a wife that likes baseball.
Sorry if that killed the post ;)
Meanwhile, it's already been Griddle'd, but note that the Astros just acquired Aubrey Huff for two minor leaguers. Huff's long tenure as the TBPMLTBT (TB player most likely to be traded) for three years running is now over.
That's what I wanted to say, but I thought I'd get deleted, so I replaced moron with idiot.
One of my favorite websites is firejoemorgan.com. I've always wished they would rip into Plaschke a little more, but they've been too busy dealing with other painfully bad writers/analysts. As firebillplaschke.blogspot.com was taken already(and has not been updated since december '05), I decided to start with fireplaschke.blogspot.com. I'm starting with todays painfully awful column, haven't decided if I will go back in time and critque his old rants(as his columns can only be categorized as).
So does Ned get a free pass from the media for acquiring a catcher that doesn't want to be here? It seems like a former GM would have been raked over the coals by Plaschke for doing making the move.
34 -- What Does RGC stand for?
"Talbot's a 22-YO righty (23 in October) who's taken a step forward this year but who I still think projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter. He's given up a lot of unearned runs, which makes his ERA overstate his effectiveness. Heavy GB guy, average-ish fastball, hard slider, great changeup (it's the first thing that everyone says about him).
Zobrist is 25. He gets on base, makes consistent contact, is a good baserunner, and plays adequate defense at SS. He's been old for his levels, and is probably a B-/C+ prospect; he really should be at AAA. He's hit over .300 everywhere he's played with OBPs in the low-to-mid .400s, but isn't especially fast and doesn't drive the ball a lot (a fair number of doubles but no HRs to speak of). Jason Bartlett is about the best comp I can think of at the moment."
Not famous enough to rate a picture or bio, though.
Right. Keep in mind that columnists are paid for their opinions, so they usually get a lot of leeway. I've asked friends in the LAT sports dept why they don't call him on some of his BS, and that's the answer I get. They give him so much leeway that he embarrasses the paper, IMHO, but I guess that's the way it goes.
Here's a link to my recap of the 1955 All-Star Game
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/424164.html
Even Mitch Albom didn't get too much discipline for writing a column about an event that didn't happen.
Can't Bill Plaschke stick to writing heartwarming stories about athletes who overcame bad childhoods? When he writes about the Dodgers, he apparently removes his brain and replaces it with a parrot in his head, squawking the same meaningless rant over and over. Trading LoDuca ruining Gagne's career? Uh, Bill, Gagne got hurt in spring training the next winter playing pepper. Did you forget? Trading Mota ruined the team? Bill, Mota's career cratered after he was traded. Oh, right. And Brad Penny not only was the starting pitcher in the All-Star game, but he struck out the side, for crying out loud. Hey,we have a pretty good catcher these days ourselves in Russell Martin. Let's see, would I trade the 34 year old Paul LoDuca (just in time for his annual second-half collapse) and Guillermo Mota (whose ERA is nearly 6) for Brad Penny, and open the door for Russell Martin to play? Why yes sir, I believe I would.
Regarding All-Star game, I remember watching the 1967 game on TV with my friend. It was a big deal because it was held in Anaheim, not far from where we lived. I still can see that home run by Tony Perez in the top of the 15th to put the NL ahead. What I did not remember until I went and looked it up was that Tom Seaver, in his rookie year, got the save in the bottom of the 15th inning. My friend moved to Israel the next year, and eventually became an officer in the Army and fought in two wars. So our lives certainly moved in different directions, but we have this memory in common.
I won't go into details for fear Bob catches me in a mistake and ruins the moment. ;-)
The better question is why? The only thing I can figure is that in his head Plaschke:The Trade = Shaughnessy:Curse of the Bambino. I mean, I think he thinks he's going to make a career out of this. DePo's been fired, Tracy is stinking the joing up in Pittsburgh, we've got a good new catcher. So, absent my theory, what's the freaking point? The problem is, LoDuca Babe Ruth, so I don't know how many books he'll sell. If I were him, I'd do a bit more spinning on the Gagne yarn. Say, for example, that he pitched 5 innings every day in September 2004. It really wouldn't be any less true than what he did say, and that's really the only way to make it a good story.
The Giants earned a reputation over the years for trading promising prospects for mediocre veterans to fill short term needs. You have to wonder if the tendency hasn't migrated south.
102 -- Great stuff! Now I know what I missed while sitting in the backseat as our car journeyed across Pennsylvia. Remarkable line-ups in the 1955 All-Star Game: Five players in each of the starting line-up are in the Hall of Fame, as are both the managers.
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