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Loney, Pedroza Honored
2006-07-17 17:20
by Jon Weisman

James Loney and Sergio Pedroza were named to the midseason Baseball America Minor League All-Star Teams. The Dodgers recently promoted Pedroza to Class A Vero Beach.

Happy 0th birthday to Daniella Izturis!

* * *

For those looking for a pregame diversion - the kind where five schoolgirls try to save the universe in an animated series - please feel free to tune into W.I.T.C.H. this week. I wrote four episodes for the show, and my first one is scheduled to be on the air at the following times:

Tonight, 6:00 p.m., ToonDisney
Tonight, 11:00 p.m., ToonDisney
Friday, 6:00 p.m., ToonDisney
Friday, 11:00 p.m., ToonDisney
Saturday, 8:30 a.m., ABC Family
Sunday, 8:30 a.m., ABC Family
Sunday, 6:00 p.m., ToonDisney
Sunday, 11:30 p.m., ToonDisney

I didn't get an advance copy of my episode, so I'll be seeing it for the first time on the late shift.

Update: It wasn't a success - it comes out as too hard to follow, without sufficient payoff.

* * *

Tonight's Game

Comments (337)
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2006-07-17 17:29:41
1.   Suffering Bruin
Ah, to be first!
2006-07-17 17:30:10
2.   Bob Timmermann
So will Daniella be pronounced in a Spanish or English way?

I don't think it would work quite right in Spanish.


2006-07-17 17:31:13
3.   Linkmeister
Hey, have we seen Marty today? I hope his dog is recovering from that paralysis it suffered.
2006-07-17 17:32:12
4.   JoeyP
For those who haven't taken part in a WIN (Women's Initiative & Network) event, gather up your mothers, daughters, wives, sisters and girlfriends for this Saturday's clinic. Jeff Kent and Brad Penny will be there to instruct the group.

I cant imagine Jeff Kent in this role.
But I hope he does a good job and enjoys himself.

2006-07-17 17:35:22
5.   confucius
Saenz, Saenz everywhere a Saenz. Too bad he and Nomar are not switching defensive positions. I've got a good feeling about the offense tonight.
2006-07-17 17:38:11
6.   Linkmeister
5 And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you'll do
So I took off my hat I said imagine that, huh, me working for you



Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign

2006-07-17 17:40:13
7.   Jon Weisman
Green's at first base tonight. First time this year, I think.
2006-07-17 17:40:17
8.   King of the Hobos
I think Izturis likes the name Daniel as his son's name is Cesar Daniel. Does Daniel have a Spanish pronunciation?
2006-07-17 17:47:05
9.   Jack Fimple
By my unsceintific calculation, the Dodgers are 32-26 this season in games Vinny announces and 14-20 in all other games. Another reason why he is once again the Most Valuable Dodger.
2006-07-17 17:47:36
10.   bobbygrich
7 Connor Jackson went down the other day, too bad, he had a two homer game this weekend.

4 Jeff Kent has participated in a couple of these WIN events, I think that is where the note about his having Jamie McCourt's ear comes from.

2006-07-17 17:48:41
11.   D4P
Doesn't Vin mostly announce home games...?
2006-07-17 17:49:17
12.   D4P
Kent has Jamie's ear and Ned's mustache.
2006-07-17 17:50:32
13.   confucius
3 Me too. I hope he has the time to post tonight.
2006-07-17 17:51:32
14.   confucius
11 Shh! You're spoiling all the illogical fun. :)
2006-07-17 17:53:33
15.   Jack Fimple
Vin announces all home games and road games against NL West teams. (He also announced the road series against the Angels and Oakland.) He does not annnounce Saturday afternoon games that are on Fox or Sunday night games that are on ESPN. I believe I accounted for all of the games he has announced this season, but I easily could be off by few games here or there.
2006-07-17 17:56:39
16.   confucius
7 I wonder if that is a trade showcase. I know the Yankees are looking for an outfeilder, but the Angels may have some interest in using him at first.
2006-07-17 17:57:59
17.   JoeyP
Jason Windsor (3rd rd pick in 2004 out of CSFullerton) is making his debut with the A's tonite.
5ip 3ks 3bbs 1er 10/2 GB/FB
2006-07-17 17:58:28
18.   Bluebleeder87

I always thought Marty was a chick? (no disrespect Marty)

2006-07-17 17:58:28
19.   MartinBillingsley31
The good thing about having saenz start at 3b instead of izturis or martinez is obvious, better production and better power.
But how sad the dodgers are, is that having saenz start makes our bench totally useless.
(alomar, hall, martinez, cruz, ledee) how's that for a useless bench?

Also, did we call up somebody to temporarily replace izturis, if so who, or are we using a 24 man roster?

2006-07-17 17:59:34
20.   confucius
15 He normally doesn't go east of Denver. So he would probably go to seattle if it were scheduled. In '04 he announced from fenway, and in the NLDS of '04 he went to St. Louis. Those aren't usual circumstances though.
2006-07-17 18:08:53
21.   Suffering Bruin
Happy Birthday, Charley Steiner!

I think Steiner gets a bad rap from his critics. I think he does excellent work and if being a genuinely nice guy counts for something than the Dodgers are lucky to have him.

2006-07-17 18:15:02
22.   Jack Fimple
You are right about Vin. Also in '04, he broadcast the entire Steve Finley grand slam game against the Giants on radio, even though the game was broadcast on TV by Fox. I listened to that ninth inning against the Giants on the radio as I couldn't sit still to watch the TV anymore. It was probably the most dramatic and exciting broadcast I have ever heard (right up there with the Gibson HR, the Koufax perfect game and all the rest).
2006-07-17 18:16:47
23.   GoBears
Does Daniel have a Spanish pronunciation?

Not sure if this was irony or not, but I refer you to the once and (likely) future president of Nicaragua.

When I was an undergrad at Cal, the mayor of Berkeley spent more time in Managua with his buddy Daniel than he did in his own city. And no one seemed to mind.

2006-07-17 18:22:11
24.   DXMachina
21 - My favorite Steiner moment is still that ESPN commercial about Y2K where he's shouting "Follow me! Follow me to freedom!"
2006-07-17 18:26:36
25.   GoBears
24. Mine too. And the time when he was still a SportCenter anchor and he could not stop cracking up over something (for some reason, I think it was Carl Lewis's rendition of the National Anthem, but I could be mixing things up). He seems like a really nice guy, and he knows his stuff. So, he misjudges fly balls - there are greater sins.
2006-07-17 18:27:31
26.   Bob Timmermann
I'm pretty sure Vin only went to Fenway because McCourt asked him personally.

If the Dodgers are in a position to clinch a divisional title, they switch over any broadcast to him even if it's on TV. I still remember the end of the 1996 season and Vin getting ready to call the inning when the Dodgers would score the clinching run against the Padres.

I'm still waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

Has Chris Gwynn come up to bat yet?

2006-07-17 18:32:13
27.   Uncle Miltie
4- he's probably trying to make up for this:
Four months earlier, after a Giants game at Pacific Bell Park, a group of reporters waited near Jeff Kent's locker to ask him about the team's performance. Kent returned from the shower and, just before removing his towel to get dressed, turned to the media and asked sarcastically, "Any women or queers here? I don't want to offend anybody."

I've been reading Game of Shadows and there are a few parts that talk about Kent. Kent was the one who started the fight between he and Bonds. David Bell made a bad decision in the field so Kent chewed him out in the dugout after the inning was over. Bonds came over to defend Bell, and Kent told him to "F off". When Dusty Baker came to break up the fight, Kent went crazy, demanding a trade because he felt that Dusty favored Bonds (which wasn't true). After the game, reporters went to talk to Bonds and Kent. Bonds gave the reporters the finger and Kent mooned them.

Kent's actions obviously prove what a great leader he is in the clubhouse. His leadership alone justified his pricy contract extension.

2006-07-17 18:37:48
28.   Bob Timmermann
Uncle Miltie would not have liked Lyndon Johnson's comment during the Vietnam War about a particularly corrupt South Vietnamese president (well, they all were)

"He may be a ---, but at least he's our ---."

2006-07-17 18:40:33
29.   Greg S
If Kent hits 30HR/100RBI/.300 his leadership would be just fine. I don't think he's a very jovial guy but nor do I believe there is anything about him that is detrimental to his club. Find a teammate other than Milton Bradley or Barry Bonds who has anything bad to say about him. Then consider the sources.
2006-07-17 18:42:41
30.   Linkmeister
(Cross-commented from Catfish Stew):

Ok, Californians:

Which bridge is it that you go over on the way into SF on 101 from the north? It's a half-circle style bridge (a humongous arch), not a flat suspension variety. Can't be more than 10-20 miles north of the city.

I've been over it two or three times, and my usually somnolent vertigo kicks in every time.

2006-07-17 18:44:33
31.   Uncle Miltie
DJ's ankle is going to crumble into a million pieces
2006-07-17 18:44:46
32.   Bob Timmermann
The Golden Gate Bridge is US 101.
2006-07-17 18:48:24
33.   GoBears
28. Huh. I've always thought that comment was about a Latin American dictator (though darned if I can remember which one). Of course, LBJ might have repeated himself.
2006-07-17 18:48:56
34.   Bob Timmermann
Your Bay Area Toll Bridge choices

Golden Gate: US 101
Bay Bridge: I-80
Hayward/San Mateo - SR 92
Dumbarton - SR 84
Richmond/San Rafael - I-580

2006-07-17 18:49:14
35.   Linkmeister
32 I know that. I once spent 2 1/2 hours on the approach to the GG bridge, being dumb enough to arrive at 5:00pm on a Friday afternoon.

The bridge I'm thinking of is a good way outside the city to the north. The arch is so steep that on the way up you can't see the other side descending; it's what my grandmother used to call a "jumping-off place."

2006-07-17 18:50:19
36.   Uncle Miltie
28- why? He was just stating the facts.

I just don't like Kent. Anytime he does anything controversial, I put it under the microscope.

2006-07-17 18:51:24
37.   GoBears
35. The western end of the San Mateo bridge is as you describe, except for its location relative to SF.
2006-07-17 18:53:06
38.   Bob Timmermann
So this isn't a toll bridge? Does it go over a body of water? US 101 doesn't go over a big expanse of water except at the Golden Gate. It does pass over some parts of the Bay in Marin County.
2006-07-17 18:53:19
39.   dzzrtRatt
28 I always heard that one attributed to JFK, regarding the Shah of Iran.
2006-07-17 18:56:09
40.   confucius
27 Geez, I hadn't heard that one about the towel. Unfortunately, it isn't that suprising.
2006-07-17 18:58:20
41.   Bob Timmermann
You know if you put Lyndon Baines Johnson and certain profanities together in Google, you get a lot of hits.
2006-07-17 18:58:44
42.   Linkmeister
It might be the Antioch Bridge, since it's only tolled going north, and I've always been heading south. See the picture below.

I'll try San Mateo.

The times I've crossed it have been at the tag end of trips around Oregon and Northern Ca, heading back down to LA to catch a flight home to HNL. My route has always been 101/PCH, although I'm sure it takes weird turns and becomes other things at various stretches.

2006-07-17 18:58:48
43.   confucius
And about Steiner, I like that he is almost always positive. It seems like announcers are getting more and more critical.
2006-07-17 19:00:08
44.   Andrew Shimmin
Mariano Duncan is way edgy. But Angel Hernandez is edgier.
2006-07-17 19:00:09
45.   Bob Timmermann
I would say that Mariano Duncan is one of the more dispensible people to be ejected from the game.

This is a bizarre argument. One of the strangest I've ever seen.

2006-07-17 19:00:11
46.   alex 7
hall streaking again?
2006-07-17 19:01:50
47.   Bob Timmermann
Why would the third base umpire kick out a coach standing over 200 feet away from him?

What could Duncan possibly have said or done? Did he pull out a gun and start shooting at people?

2006-07-17 19:02:01
48.   Johnson
35 The only bridge in the area that I know of which meets your criteria is the Antioch bridge - a real doozy, which as you're on your way up looks like it will never stop ascending. But the Antioch bridge is on Highway 160/84. It connects Antioch on the south and Sherman Island on the north side of the San Joaquin river, the northwards extension of 160 goes to Rio Vista. It's about 45 minutes from San Francisco, and not particularly on a major route.
2006-07-17 19:02:29
49.   Greg S
I think that somebody clearly yelled something and that person clearly wasn't Duncan and the ump believed it was. He looked truly shocked.
2006-07-17 19:03:11
50.   Gen3Blue
Whoa, this Angel guy must be guilty as hell of something.
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2006-07-17 19:03:16
51.   Uncle Miltie
Mariano Duncan is my hero. I hate Angel Hernandez. He has the biggest ego of any umpire I've ever seen. Replace them with robots!
2006-07-17 19:03:30
52.   DXMachina
41- After some googling, I have come to find out that it was said neither LBJ nor JFK (nor even Richard Nixon), but FDR, talking about Anastasio Somoza (the SOB in question).
2006-07-17 19:04:29
53.   Bob Timmermann
Real drivers like the Vincent Thomas Bridge and even remember back when it had a toll.
2006-07-17 19:04:50
54.   Gen3Blue
I had a friend graduated from Antioch.
2006-07-17 19:05:10
55.   Johnson
42 OK, so I'm a bit late. That said, the Antioch bridge is really on a back route. It's hard to imagine that you would logically use it from anywhere in northern California to get to L.A., with the possible exception of Rio Vista.
2006-07-17 19:05:41
56.   Tommy John
Angel Hernandez

You'll find rating at this site, as well as some articles and a USA TODAY rating of umpire where Angel Hernandez is rated 31 out of 36 or worse in four categories for rating umpires.

2006-07-17 19:05:45
57.   confucius
Mariano Duncan must have had a red bull before the game. Those always make me sassy.
2006-07-17 19:07:20
58.   Andrew Shimmin
51- You didn't like the part where Henandez gave Duncan's hat to the kid in the stands? Show me the robot that would think to do that, and maybe I'd consider it.
2006-07-17 19:09:02
59.   Linkmeister
Hmm. The more I look at it the more I think that must be it. As said in 48, it looks like you'll never come down as you drive up one side.

I wonder if that was the trip where I'd taken a side road to see the William Ide Historic Park (see below) and then headed towards SF.

2006-07-17 19:09:04
60.   bobbygrich
A look at the lineup for the Las Vegas 51s tonight, here is 3-8.

Aybar 2B
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Young LF
Guzman DH
LaRoche 3B

There will probably plenty of scouts at this game and series.

2006-07-17 19:10:17
61.   dzzrtRatt
53 The Vincent Thomas Bridge is now lit up at night, in fulfillment of a long-held dream by San Pedrans. However, in typical fashion, the city screwed it up. There was a competition for which contractor was going to provide the lights. The decision was made to "split the baby" and give one company the lights along the roadway, and the other the lights hanging from the towers.

Well, the lights don't match. They are slightly different, but enough to notice.

2006-07-17 19:11:17
62.   Bob Timmermann


Not a side trip to the greater Redding area!

2006-07-17 19:15:20
63.   Johnson
59 That's possible. Going from Interstate 5 onto 12 to 160 to 4 to Interstate 80 is a reasonable route to SF from south of Sacramento, and more scenic than just taking (the faster) 80 from Sac.
2006-07-17 19:20:56
64.   Bob Timmermann
Toll Bridge Thoughts tonight.
2006-07-17 19:22:13
65.   Linkmeister
62, 63I just followed road signs to the park. My kind of vacation: no plans, no timetable (this was pre-email, too). I just wander around and look at interesting things.
2006-07-17 19:22:35
66.   Bob Timmermann
I think Martin dropped the throw because he was surprised that Lofton made a good throw.

A good throw by Lofton's standards.

2006-07-17 19:24:41
67.   StolenMonkey86
66- He was so impressed he wanted to applaud?
2006-07-17 19:24:46
68.   Linkmeister
I remember a story about Mays with the Mets in which he mistrusted his arm so much he caught a fly ball and flipped it to George Theodore (I think) to throw to the infield.

Thanks for the help in remembering that bridge, guys.

2006-07-17 19:25:55
69.   Uncle Miltie
60- it has more power than the major league lineup
2006-07-17 19:26:44
70.   StolenMonkey86
69 - I got that idea when I saw LaRoche batting 8th. Wow.
2006-07-17 19:27:03
71.   StolenMonkey86
yay, Furkle took a pitch
2006-07-17 19:28:08
72.   Gen3Blue
Well, we have a potent lineup tonight and about our best current starter going. But I'm getting impatient with our offense. Either there are about 30 excellant starters on our recent opponents, or our old guys are starting to suck. Maybe its the heat and I'm frustrated.
2006-07-17 19:29:24
73.   Steve
Now, what is it that's "ideological" about taking a skeptical position regarding the premise that "Acquiring 25% of a 65-win team will help a 71-win team go to the playoffs?"
2006-07-17 19:29:44
74.   StolenMonkey86
I wish I could have seen this on TV

"Rafael Furcal doubles (16) on a pop up to Third Baseman Chad Tracy."

2006-07-17 19:30:21
75.   JoeyP
Well this is certainly a scrappy inning.
2006-07-17 19:31:08
76.   StolenMonkey86
Apparently St. Louis ran out of gas. The Braves ate them alive, 15-3.
2006-07-17 19:31:09
77.   Bob Timmermann
It was a bloop that Gonzalez tried to shoestring and missed and Tracy picked it up.
2006-07-17 19:32:31
78.   StolenMonkey86
this would be a good time to break a homerless streak. Show the younger brother how it's done
2006-07-17 19:33:41
79.   D4P
Silly Monkey. HRs end rallies: sac flies keep them going.
2006-07-17 19:34:34
80.   StolenMonkey86
Ok, so he and his brother flew out to left in their first AB.
2006-07-17 19:35:18
81.   StolenMonkey86
79 - Is it still a rally once you're ahead though?
2006-07-17 19:36:45
82.   D4P
Correction: his brother flew out, but he sacrifice flew. Big difference.
2006-07-17 19:37:10
83.   Bob Timmermann
Luis Gonzalez is not having his best fielding inning, although neither play was easy.
2006-07-17 19:37:59
84.   Jon Weisman
Kent's hit fooled me more than any longball this season. Before the camera cut to left field, I thought it was a no-doubt homer.
2006-07-17 19:38:33
85.   StolenMonkey86
82 - So Rafael Furcal made a positive difference. Good for him.
2006-07-17 19:38:40
86.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, this is baseball. It's "flied out."

There aren't any airplanes out there.

2006-07-17 19:38:57
87.   JoeyP
I'm just watching on gameday. Usually a double to left wont score a guy from 1st base. Someone must have done something crazy in the field.
2006-07-17 19:39:18
88.   LAT
Gonzo's fielding is really being exposed tonight and he knows it.
2006-07-17 19:40:49
89.   StolenMonkey86
87 - Remember, Duncan was ejected, not Donnelly.
2006-07-17 19:41:32
90.   Bob Timmermann

There were two outs, the ball was hit very far and Gonzalez deflected it.

2006-07-17 19:42:09
91.   D4P
Hey, this is baseball

Correction: this is LA baseball.

2006-07-17 19:43:47
92.   Bob Timmermann
When I was at a high school journalism convention once (ahh, the geeky days, unlike now), one of the teachers at a sportswriting meeting insisted that we should write "flew out" and never say "high fly."

That quixotic battle for her was not won.

2006-07-17 19:51:22
93.   Steve
If not for Doug Eddings, Angel Hernandez would be the lowest form of life on the planet.
2006-07-17 19:52:25
94.   Bob Timmermann

Lower than Russ Ortiz or Frank Robinson?

Or even Charlie Weis?

2006-07-17 19:54:49
95.   LAT
Pretty much a perfect throw there from Drew to complete a nice play.
2006-07-17 19:58:18
96.   trainwreck
I really wish FSN stopped coming back from commercials after one batter has already come up.
2006-07-17 19:58:32
97.   Marty
Dog update to come probably tomorrow. I'm in such pain right now with back spasms like you would not believe that this will be my only comment. I'm waiting for friends to bring me liquor and to move some things about the house. It's taking me like 5 minutes to type this. My office chair is not conducive to bad backs apparently.

Oh, and to Bluebleeder, no offense taken, but I'm not a female. At least I don't think.

2006-07-17 19:59:57
98.   alex 7
If it's any consolation, the guys on Baseball Tonight laid into Angel pretty well
2006-07-17 20:00:15
99.   Bob Timmermann
The Arizona fans are cheering S. Drew's hit so much because it's likely a sign that the reign of terror of Craig Counsell is coming to an end.
2006-07-17 20:00:44
100.   D4P
First career hit for O.S. Drew...?
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2006-07-17 20:01:12
101.   Bob Timmermann
Enrique Gonzalez OWNS Aaron Sele.
2006-07-17 20:02:53
102.   trainwreck
Look at those Angel fundamentals.
2006-07-17 20:05:36
103.   trainwreck
I thought he sprained his knee.
2006-07-17 20:06:09
104.   trainwreck
On the swing (Davannon).
2006-07-17 20:06:40
105.   StolenMonkey86
That's three grounders to left through 4 innings. Anyone else miss Cesar yet?
2006-07-17 20:07:32
106.   Uncle Miltie
DJ is a fine fielder. If Green is playing RF, that's a triple.
2006-07-17 20:07:46
107.   LAT
Marty, eat 4 Motrin, 800 miligram (not asprin, Tylonol or Alieve). Its an anti-inflamatory but the 2 pill headache dose is too small to help your back. Also put some ice on it which will also help to reduce the inflamation . And while you are sitting around liquored up, watching your friends move fruniture and hopped up on Motrin, put some pillows under your knees. That will take some pressure off your back. Unfortunatly, I know of which I speak.
2006-07-17 20:07:46
108.   JoeyP
Sele's lucky he hasnt given up a ton of runs.
1-8 GB/FB ratio in a hitters park like Arizona is a recipe for disaster.
2006-07-17 20:08:15
109.   Greg S
Kent has taken some great swings tonight and not just on the double to left. Looking forward to his ABs tonight.
2006-07-17 20:09:15
110.   Uncle Miltie
Another quality at bat by K Loft. He is the MVP of making outs.
2006-07-17 20:10:33
111.   JoeyP
5 pitch inning against the top of the order.
2006-07-17 20:11:23
112.   JoeyP
109 Great swings? He's swung and missed 3 times in the 1st inning? His next AB was a double.
2006-07-17 20:11:48
113.   Uncle Miltie
#2 hitter- ABL (anybody but Lofton)
2006-07-17 20:11:54
114.   StolenMonkey86
Can the Dodgers at least try to jack up the other guy's pitch count?
2006-07-17 20:12:18
115.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants have Jose Vizcaino leading off tonight against the Brewers.
2006-07-17 20:13:46
116.   D4P
And Randy Winn hitting 3rd.
2006-07-17 20:15:30
117.   Greg S
112 Yes. You can take a great swing and not get a hit.
2006-07-17 20:15:35
118.   Bob Timmermann

And the Giants first baseman is so new, he doesn't have a picture for Gameday. I saw him play in Tacoma but I can't remember much about him.

The Fresno Grizzlies do have really ugly uniforms. Green shirts with khaki pants.

2006-07-17 20:16:08
119.   LAT
109 Great swings? He's swung and missed 3 times in the 1st inning?

Mariano Duncan would disagree with you. He thinks Kent only swung twice.

2006-07-17 20:16:13
120.   Jon Weisman
AP put out a bulletin on L'Affaire Duncan

2006-07-17 20:16:39
121.   Jon Weisman
Or, as the umps would call it, "Angel and the Badman."
2006-07-17 20:17:58
122.   StolenMonkey86
The Breweres brought up Tony Gwynn Jr and aren't starting him.
2006-07-17 20:21:09
123.   trainwreck
I want another replay, he looked safe.
2006-07-17 20:22:24
124.   Greg S
Those swings were not worth looking forward to.
2006-07-17 20:23:01
125.   Sam DC
121 LOL.

Josh Rawitch, a couple of days ago: "The good news is, a new laptop arrived yesterday. The bad news is, there's been nothing worth blogging about."

All things considered, that's pretty frankly put.

Meanwhile, where do we sign up to get a Stephen Drew? I snuck out after bedtime and got the bartender around the corner to put the game on so I could watch the first few innings. I was fooled in exactly the same way about Kent's ball, although it was likely more embarassing since I gave (and then retracted) a loud hoot in a quiety empty bar. Couple of sparkling plays by Drew in those first few frames.

Marty -- we'll be here when you feel better; please don't type comments if it causes you physical pain to do so.

2006-07-17 20:23:32
126.   Bob Timmermann
Why should Tony Gwynn, Jr. be playing against Jason Schmidt?
2006-07-17 20:24:57
127.   Bob Timmermann
Marty -- we'll be here when you feel better; please don't type comments if it causes you physical pain to do so.

Which would be akin to the pain Uncle Miltie would face if he had to say something nice about Jeff Kent. ;-)

2006-07-17 20:25:17
128.   underdog
You know, this isn't a news bulletin but it's official (for me) now: The Dodgers offense is slumping. This Gonzalez guy is not exactly stellar but they're sort of rolling over against him. Just have to scratch my head at this point. Are they all collectively tired?

Oh well, as bad as a slump appears and as quickly and randomly as it seems to appear, it can just as quickly evaporate.

2006-07-17 20:26:12
129.   Bob Timmermann

Sort of like the Cardinals fine pitching staff?

2006-07-17 20:26:40
130.   Sam DC
125 Not that this needs to be said, but what I meant was that I "snuck" out (with permission) after my kids were asleep. I like the Dodgers and all, but I'm not sneaking around in the middle of the night to watch them.


2006-07-17 20:27:04
131.   StolenMonkey86
The same reason Jonathan Broxton would pitch to Albert Pujols in his first appearance.
2006-07-17 20:28:16
132.   thinkblue0
You know, this isn't a news bulletin but it's official (for me) now: The Dodgers offense is slumping.

completely disagree. The Dodgers offense simply isn't that good. We were lucky in the first half with BABIP and now it's catching up to us.

2006-07-17 20:28:23
133.   Bob Timmermann
That was because there weren't many other options.

I think Gwynn is just meant to be a fill-in and isn't being called up to be a regular.

2006-07-17 20:28:55
134.   underdog
129 Well, if they'd faced Weaver and slumped, scored 2 runs or less, then that would have made it even more official. But at least Carpenter I can understand them struggling against - but er, yeah, maybe not the whole series. Tonight is just when I actually filed the "Dodgers slumping" paperwork.
2006-07-17 20:29:09
135.   regfairfield
I was about to say Sele might get a quality start out of this.
2006-07-17 20:29:40
136.   natepurcell
Lofton took a terrible route.
2006-07-17 20:29:47
137.   Bob Timmermann
You can only have so many fly balls hit at Kenny Lofton before you have to pay the piper.

And the piper uses a collection agency now.

2006-07-17 20:30:02
138.   Greg S
Scully seems to really love saying "O-Dog". Perhaps he has a career as a rapper in his future.
2006-07-17 20:30:17
139.   LAT
Six words I thought I'd never utter:

"When is Jason Repko due back?"

2006-07-17 20:30:24
140.   Jon Weisman
136 - Based on where he was positioned, that ball was not catchable no matter what route Lofton took. That was a clean triple.
2006-07-17 20:30:52
141.   JoeyP
Our Drew cant hit lefties.
I wonder if their Drew can?
2006-07-17 20:30:52
142.   thinkingblue
Jim Edmonds would have caught that.
2006-07-17 20:31:24
143.   underdog
So if they were lucky in the first half, they're not unlucky now? I think their offense is somewhere in between good and not good. So in that sense, erratic performance shouldn't surprise any of us.

Still, it's become pretty dispiriting.
Now it's 4-2, a 2 run lead, which in the past wouldn't seem all that insurmountable...

Oh well, just as well, I have some work to do...

2006-07-17 20:31:39
144.   thinkingblue
Our Drew can't hit right now. And no, he's being an idiot at the plate, swinging at a 3-0 pitch and grounding weakly to second.
2006-07-17 20:31:58
145.   Bob Timmermann
Brewers and Giants tied 1-1 in the 5th. Padres lead the Phillies 2-1 in the 5th.
2006-07-17 20:32:15
146.   Uncle Miltie
2006-07-17 20:32:43
147.   underdog
142 Only if a Dodger hit it...
2006-07-17 20:33:11
148.   LAT
136. Vin seems to think Lofton got fooled.

(I think Ned did too)

2006-07-17 20:34:09
149.   Jon Weisman
144 - It was a 2-1 pitch, I believe, wasn't it?
2006-07-17 20:34:42
150.   JoeyP
Beimel never Ks anyone.
That was a bad ab by Drew.
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2006-07-17 20:34:48
151.   Jon Weisman
148 - I've been saying for a while that Lofton isn't getting good reads on balls. But my point is, that ball was miles from him.
2006-07-17 20:35:29
152.   Bob Timmermann

Yes, it was a 2-1 pitch, but don't let the facts get in the way here.

2006-07-17 20:35:34
153.   trainwreck
No need to panic Frank and Ned, just breathe.
2006-07-17 20:35:56
154.   JoeyP
2006-07-17 20:36:02
155.   Jon Weisman
I'd kind of be surprised if Drew has ever swung at a 3-0 pitch in his career.
2006-07-17 20:36:09
156.   LAT
Dear Mr. Beimel, the medical term is: Brain-Fart
2006-07-17 20:36:28
157.   underdog
WHAT was that? Sheesh. These guys are asleep. Grady really needs to have a team meeting about being mentally involved in these games.

Okay, that's my exit line, I'm gonna work for a bit - from one frustration to another.

2006-07-17 20:36:38
158.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Mickey Spillane.
2006-07-17 20:36:47
159.   trainwreck
Brynes got all of that one.
2006-07-17 20:36:49
160.   Jon Weisman
Okay, that one was definitely not Lofton's fault.
2006-07-17 20:37:06
161.   LAT
156. I take it back. Now that was a brain fart.
2006-07-17 20:37:08
162.   regfairfield
Even worse, I think that knocked over some guys beer.
2006-07-17 20:37:40
163.   D4P
Beimel's ARP takes a hit...
2006-07-17 20:37:41
164.   Greg S
I think I'm going to go take a vacation and hope that when I get back, the Dodgers are around. Nice beer bomb though.
2006-07-17 20:37:41
165.   Sam DC
Aaah, 4-2, the Nationals losing score tonight.

LAT -- The Lerners haven't made a big splashy announcement, but they appear to have now taken full control of the team. (They are listed at as the owners.) They have promoted a big "RFK Grand Re-Opening" this friday pm against the Cubs (first game since the break and since the handover). Main changes to be: (i) new food choices, including a low-cost hot dog/soda/chips meal, (ii) cleaned up and painted stadium, (iii) family fun-zone of some kind, (iv) presidential character race (like the Milwaukee sausage race), (v) band playing outside before the game. and (vi)overall improved and speeded up customer service. My wife and I are going (No Kids!), so I'll give you a report.

The Lerner group has also promised to lower some ticket prices, including some all the way down to $3. Hopefully, they'll get this all well-communicated. Although, with the team aggressively chasing the Pirates and the Royals for the #1 pick in 2007, and with the most exciting player on the roster about to be traded, hard to imagine there's too much they can do to spur interest this season.

Is the Diamondbacks pitcher really 3-3?

2006-07-17 20:37:45
166.   Steve
The swinging E. Gonzalez brothers are rolling over us and 3 for 3 to boot. Yeah, we're healthy.
2006-07-17 20:37:49
167.   Uncle Miltie
Maybe my Lofton picture will cheer everyone up

Maybe not..

2006-07-17 20:37:52
168.   JoeyP
Well that'll do it.
2006-07-17 20:38:14
169.   Bob Timmermann
Lofton took a poor route on Byrnes's homer. See, if he had come into the stadium from the entrance behind center field, he could have been positioned in the seats to catch that. However, he walked from the dugout to center field and you can't get to that part of the stadium from there.
2006-07-17 20:39:27
170.   Jon Weisman
Bob, I do believe that qualifies as sarcasm.
2006-07-17 20:39:43
171.   JoeyP
Billingsley will need to be the stopper tomorrow.
2006-07-17 20:40:07
172.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't there some cartoon we can watch instead?
2006-07-17 20:41:01
173.   Jon Weisman
172 - Yeah, I need to do that still. But I have to do the dishes.
2006-07-17 20:41:09
174.   thinkingblue
That's it. That freaking does it. There better be a team meeting or something because that is f** bad baseball, and any team that plays like that should be ashamed of themselves.
2006-07-17 20:41:12
175.   regfairfield
On a 3-0 count Drew is 0 for 0 with 56 walks since 2003.
2006-07-17 20:41:13
176.   Sam DC
165 Crikey - AZ scored 4 runs while I typed that . . . (furiously typing and hiting submit).
2006-07-17 20:41:39
177.   Steve
Joe Beimel's pitch took a poor route to Eric Byrnes' bat.
2006-07-17 20:42:20
178.   Steve
any team that plays like that should be ashamed of themselves.

You mean, like Tampa Bay?

2006-07-17 20:42:34
179.   regfairfield
Vin disagrees with Jon's assement on the Hudson triple.
2006-07-17 20:42:39
180.   StolenMonkey86
170 - Seen on

Mientkiewicz held onto the ball, gave it to his wife, and then secured it in a safe deposit box and claimed it as his own, joking that it was his "retirement fund."

"I learned that sarcasm doesn't print well in black and white. I jokingly said, 'Maybe I'll put my kids though college,'" he said Monday. "The next day I wake up and it's a huge article."

2006-07-17 20:43:06
181.   thinkingblue
It was a 2-1 pitch, I believe, wasn't it?

Maybe the TV was wrong, I only saw the pitch he grounded out on, and it said 3-0 on the screen.

2006-07-17 20:43:29
182.   natepurcell

calm down, its not the end of the world.

2006-07-17 20:43:50
183.   LAT
160. You must be new to Dodger Thoughts. Stick around for a while you will see that everything is Lofton's fault.:-)
2006-07-17 20:44:20
184.   Sam DC
Has the Russel Martin Before the Bigs thing been aired already, or is that now. (Rare FSW sighting for me tonight.)
2006-07-17 20:44:23
185.   Jon Weisman
174 - Thinkingblue, I've told you before that there is no cursing here, asterisks or not. I don't want to have to warn you again.

This stuff happens to everyone. Get over it.

2006-07-17 20:44:45
186.   Bob Timmermann

No many things are Jeff Kent's fault. And many other things are the fault of several players NOT being Matt Kemp.

2006-07-17 20:44:51
187.   StolenMonkey86
182 - I knew it! REM's a bunch of liars!
2006-07-17 20:45:53
188.   Sam DC
The Nationals front office page has this listing under "Team Physicians":

Dr. Z Chris Internist

Considering the punctiation, it appears this person's first name is Z. Any other theories?

2006-07-17 20:46:15
189.   regfairfield
2006-07-17 20:47:16
190.   StolenMonkey86
186 - or Russell Martin
2006-07-17 20:47:22
191.   bobbygrich
Nothing makes a team look lethargic than a slump. If you pitch bad but keep hitting, somehow it looks like you are hustling.

Tony Jackson said on the radio today that he thought (and this may please some of you) that he did not think the Dodgers would do anything at the trade deadline and that they are really putting things together for 2007. Not that they would not like to win but he doesn't see them making any big moves to do so.

Maybe they miss the spirit of the kids, obviously Kent (and I think Drew too) are bothered by some nagging injuries.

There are two things that will happen to bring them out of this slump, one is a blowout and Arizona has the pitching to provide that or second, Chad comes out and puts together a big game tomorrow.

But I can point out the little things, Russ not coming up with Lofton's throw to get Green, that would have been a big play.

Or Russ making a good throw to get Drew, would have saved a batter for Sele to face.

Or take Russ's double play out (not picking on Martin, he's just an example) if they have things going, that ball makes into CF and Ledee's gets a hit.

Anyways, just some thoughts.

2006-07-17 20:48:10
192.   Steve
Russ is a terrible defensive catcher. Off to Tampa Bay.
2006-07-17 20:48:51
193.   DaveP
191 - maybe they need to put the "leaded" coffee back in the clubhouse.
2006-07-17 20:49:53
194.   Uncle Miltie
Even Steiner is admitting that the "triple" was Lofton's fault. He said it changed the whole complexion of the inning.

That single is not going to make up for all of your defensive miscues, Lofty!

2006-07-17 20:50:39
195.   Steve
Jason Schmidt just went all Jeff Weaver all over the place.
2006-07-17 20:51:04
196.   Greg S
I've been a big defender of Lofton. And I agree with Jon (and not Scully) that that was over anyone's head. But I have to concede that his overall defense has become pretty darn bad. But his offense has been descent. He's really not a disaster but I sure would prefer my centerfielder (like my shortstop) to be able to catch a ball first and hit one second.
2006-07-17 20:51:34
197.   bobbygrich
I do think that they will have one of those "player's only meeting," sometime this week.
2006-07-17 20:52:43
198.   Bob Timmermann

But, I thought Russell Martin was beyond reproach.

Now everyone has been besmirched!



2006-07-17 20:53:57
199.   LAT
Sam, I wasn't going to say anything until I was sure, but it looks like I am going to the game with my parents, my daughter and the Lerners on Friday the 28th. As it gets closer you will have to give me a Nats primer so I can look like I know what I'm talking about.

Bob, anything you would like me to pass on to Teddy?

2006-07-17 20:55:03
200.   regfairfield
Given the general opinion of Jose Cruz on this site, what centerfielder would you be happy with?

While I'd personally stick Cruz out there, he's just the lesser of two evils. Sad to say, Lofton is probably the option that would cause the least amount of turmoil.

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2006-07-17 20:55:08
201.   StolenMonkey86
126 - see 195
2006-07-17 20:55:58
202.   Bob Timmermann

Sam, my orders about the Nats are long standing. You're past the fail safe point. You can't go back and do something else.

2006-07-17 20:56:55
203.   StolenMonkey86
200 - see 139
2006-07-17 20:57:49
204.   regfairfield
203 No. For the love of all that is holy, no.
2006-07-17 20:58:28
205.   bobbygrich
198 I'm sorry, I would have besmirched Paul LoDuca but this isn't Met's Thoughts.
2006-07-17 20:58:58
206.   JoeyP
I must say that I think I was the first to criticize Martin, when I pointed out he was due for a large regression due to his hitting the ball on the ground so much.

We cannot stop till our players are perfect!

2006-07-17 20:59:20
207.   Greg S
200. Given the choices we have, I'd play Lofton. I'm just less comfortable about that then I used to be.
2006-07-17 20:59:27
208.   MartinBillingsley31

Tony Jackson said on the radio today that he thought (and this may please some of you) that he did not think the Dodgers would do anything at the trade deadline and that they are really putting things together for 2007. Not that they would not like to win but he doesn't see them making any big moves to do so.

I hope Tony Jackson is right, and that would please me.

2006-07-17 21:00:55
209.   thinkingblue
He's really not a disaster but I sure would prefer my centerfielder (like my shortstop) to be able to catch a ball first and hit one second.

It would be nice if he could do either

2006-07-17 21:00:55
210.   Sam DC
199 Pretty cool. Though, because there's no secrets here at Dodger Thoughts, I should confess I prefer the plan where you bring your Dad out here for a game and I rudely horn in and meet the Lerners.

That said, I'll pass on some thoughts to go along some Nats Notes to go along with Bob's repeated murmuring of "the horror" before next Fri.

2006-07-17 21:05:09
211.   Uncle Miltie
But his offense has been descent.
It really hasn't. He's 28/33 in terms of pitches per at bat. This is a skill that is absolutely necessary for a #2 hitter. The only regular centers fielders in the NL with fewer extra base hits than Lofton are Brady Clark (.379 OBP) and Willy Taveras (flat out stinks, but plays solid defense). Being better than Juan Pierre, Cory Sullivan, and Willy Taveras offensively isn't much of an accomplishment. Lofton is one of worst overall center fielders in the league.
2006-07-17 21:06:13
212.   DaveP
Matt Kemp and Delwyn Young are having a tough time in Vegas tonight. 0-5 combined with 5 strikeouts and a walk.
2006-07-17 21:06:14
213.   D4P
And his pyrotechnics don't even seem to be working all that well...
2006-07-17 21:06:33
214.   Bean
Hello everyone! I'm new to this site and just thought I'll introduce myself. I'm a life-long Dodger fan, being born and raised in Los Angeles. Anyway, Hello Everyone!
2006-07-17 21:06:40
215.   LAT
Kent should have spiked Steven then JD would charge Kent to protect his brother. They would be thrown out for fighting and the Dodgers would be charged up.
2006-07-17 21:06:43
216.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, I had the orders about the Nats directed to the wrong person. Everything has been confused!

It's just like "Fail Safe". In order to avoid a crisis, I will have to fire Bruce Bochy.

2006-07-17 21:07:17
217.   MartinBillingsley31
Lofton is one of worst overall center fielders in the league.


2006-07-17 21:07:39
218.   Steve
Milwaukee just brought in Rick Helling with the bases loaded and nobody out. That should end well.
2006-07-17 21:08:45
219.   MartinBillingsley31

Hello everyone!


2006-07-17 21:08:45
220.   thinkingblue
every time we bat in the 7th or later, we ground into a double play. sad.
2006-07-17 21:08:52
221.   Uncle Miltie
Lofton is an older and slightly cheaper version of Juan Pierre.

Give me Repko or give me death

2006-07-17 21:09:17
222.   Steve
What do you know? It might just end well.
2006-07-17 21:09:41
223.   Greg S
211. He's hitting .295. Flip it around anyway you like. If he was playing CF like he used to, I'd be happy with them and I would bet that the Dodgers would be as well.
2006-07-17 21:10:22
224.   Steve
Give me Repko or give me death

No, I don't think I'll go quite that far.

2006-07-17 21:10:28
225.   DaveP
Speaking of center fielders that take exciting routes to the ball, anyone know why Repko is not in the lineup for the 51s tonight? Scheduled night off in the rehab or pain in the ankle?
2006-07-17 21:10:56
226.   Sam DC
GCL Dodgers beat the GCL Nationals today 5-4. Kershaw 4IP, 2H, 1R, 0BB, 4K. Mattingly went 3/4 (all singles) with 2RBI.
2006-07-17 21:11:41
227.   Steve
And there it is. Whatever keeps Rick Helling on the roster has to be a good thing.
2006-07-17 21:13:04
228.   JoeyP
223. Batting Average tells like 1/5 of the story. Who cares if you hit .295, if its all singles and you rarely walk?
2006-07-17 21:13:11
229.   regfairfield
211 I really don't think you can say someone is bad offensively based solely on his pitches/plate appearance. However, his on base percentage is starting to dip down to where he can't make up for his lack of power.
2006-07-17 21:13:42
230.   natepurcell
Why is Saito 36 :(
2006-07-17 21:13:43
231.   Sam DC
214 Hello.
2006-07-17 21:15:13
232.   Steve
For some reason that only the scary man in Felipe Alou's dreams understands, Jason Schmidt came out to start the seventh. Five straight balls.
2006-07-17 21:15:41
233.   Bob Timmermann

Normally, we're not this grouchy. We were even grouchier yesterday. Now we are just sullen.

I think sullen is better.

2006-07-17 21:16:29
234.   Greg S
228. Would you care is he was hitting .350 with no power? You say 1/5 of the story. I say maybe 3/5 of the story. He doesn't stink offensively nearly as much as you hate him. He just might stink defensively nearly as much as you hate him.
2006-07-17 21:17:09
235.   Greg S
Oh... and hello Bean!
2006-07-17 21:18:05
236.   StolenMonkey86
232, 126 - I guess I win that one.

226 - Great. How long before they come up?

2006-07-17 21:18:19
237.   Steve
Batting average is none of the story. It is merely distraction. But I am agnostic on the Lofton question, since it is also a distraction.
2006-07-17 21:19:03
238.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres are down 6-3 now. The NL West is retreating faster than a glacier in an Al Gore documentary.
2006-07-17 21:19:50
239.   StolenMonkey86
Well Russ, we can't all be Alex Cora.
2006-07-17 21:20:24
240.   Uncle Miltie
223- he's 3rd to last in XBH and doesn't walk, which makes him pretty much worthless offensivelt. He's Cesar Izturis with the bat and Olmedo Saenz with the glove.
2006-07-17 21:20:26
241.   JoeyP
Will the WC team have a better record than the NL West division winner?
2006-07-17 21:20:28
242.   Greg S
Rod Carew is rolling over in his grave. Oh wait... I mean his bed.
2006-07-17 21:21:06
243.   bobbygrich
Kuo is a starter again according to today's notes.

Expect to see Repko, my guess is during the next home stand, maybe by Garvey Bobblehead night.

2006-07-17 21:21:50
244.   MartinBillingsley31
Lofton has got to put up a 400+ obp in order to have an 800+ ops because his slugging percentage will hover near 400.

And the chances of lofton posting a 400+ obp is slim to none.

And i consider any starting outfielder with less than an 800 ops, a guy that should be a backup at best, especially if you don't have dominant pitching.

2006-07-17 21:22:01
245.   Bob Timmermann
If the Padres lose tonight, the Reds will have a better record than them.
2006-07-17 21:22:31
246.   bobbygrich
Based on what they said on the radio, they must stay in Scottsdale, having been by that ballpark, there is a hotel but Scottsdale is nicer.
2006-07-17 21:22:40
247.   Steve
I'm sure those extra 15 pitches Schmidt threw while Alou was sacked out in the dugout were satisfying to all involved.
2006-07-17 21:22:40
248.   D4P
Al Gore documentary

Speaking of which, we ordered an entire shipment of long-lasting, energy efficient fluorescent lightbulbs to replace our current collection of short-lasting, energy inefficient bulbs. The replacements should arrive within the next few days.

2006-07-17 21:23:04
249.   trainwreck
Mattingly does not look challenged at all in the GCL.
2006-07-17 21:23:24
250.   Bob Timmermann
Time for some fine cartoon watching!
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2006-07-17 21:23:37
251.   Steve
Rod Carew had a career OBP of .393.
2006-07-17 21:24:10
252.   natepurcell

Neither does Kershaw. I was expecting Mattingly to struggle somewhat since he is from a cold weather state and was a 3 sport star in high school and did not play baseball year round. But he has proved me wrong.

2006-07-17 21:25:47
253.   regfairfield
244 The average centerfielder had a .751 OPS last year. Though .800 should be required for a corner outfielder.
2006-07-17 21:26:48
254.   confucius
I don't want to beat a dead horse with the Lofton thing but I want to know if he positions himself this shallow or if the coaching staff does. It seems that a lot this could be fixed if he played deeper. Does he refuse to believe he is in the twilight of his career? He needs to make adjustments according to his age and speed. Just my two cents.
2006-07-17 21:27:03
255.   Greg S
Thought my original point is that I'm NOT happy with Lofton. Geez, even when you insult the guy around here you have to defend why you didn't slam him worse!
g'night all.
2006-07-17 21:27:06
256.   trainwreck
Yeah, I expected Kershaw to be real good, but I was unsure on Mattingly. A lot of people were calling him a reach, but maybe turn out good eventually. Logan White looks smarter than everyone once again.
2006-07-17 21:29:08
257.   Steve
253 -- Though that is something of self-fulfilling prophecy, given that teams run out silly people like Willy Taveras and Juan Pierre in centerfield.
2006-07-17 21:29:32
258.   bobbygrich
244 I quickly glanced at some stats, the Padres have no OFs with an OPS over .800 (Cameron is close), the Yankees due to injuries start 2 OFs with less that .800 OPS, I agree that it is more likely that a CF is not going to have OPS over .800 but I am just trying to say that it is not something that a lot of clubs have.
2006-07-17 21:29:44
259.   Steve
Bill Hall has been eating his Wheaties.
2006-07-17 21:30:29
260.   DaveP
Aybar with a HR in Vegas.
2006-07-17 21:30:59
261.   Uncle Miltie
Al Gore documentary
The cure for insomnia
2006-07-17 21:31:58
262.   Steve
Check that. Mike Rivera has been eating his Wheaties.
2006-07-17 21:32:12
263.   D4P
The cure for insomnia

Have you seen it?

2006-07-17 21:33:06
264.   thinkingblue
According to ESPN insider, the dodgers are talking about Soriano again. Guzman is apparently the main dodger chip.

How about Guzman and Aybar for Soriano, then we trade Lofton to the White Sox for Cliff Pollite, and have Drew play center? Doubt it will happen, but would that be good?

2006-07-17 21:33:20
265.   JoeyP
The average centerfielder had a .751 OPS last year.

Shouldnt you aspire to be above average at every position?

2006-07-17 21:33:33
266.   Steve
It's probably hard to see with his eyes closed.
2006-07-17 21:33:36
267.   MartinBillingsley31
The average centerfielder had a .751 OPS last year.

Yea but i would guess (and its only a guess, i could look it up but...) that there were some pretty terrible starting centerfielders and on top of that the average probably includes backups which would bring down the average quite a bit.
Take out the backups and take out any centerfielders that really stunk it up and i bet the average is significantly higher.

Also we are talking about the dodgers poor pitching staff, which should make grady put the best possible centerfielder in the lineup.

2006-07-17 21:34:49
268.   D4P
It's probably hard to see with his eyes closed

Have you seen it?

2006-07-17 21:35:05
269.   JoeyP
Aybar's been hitting the ball better at Vegas over the last week.
2006-07-17 21:35:06
270.   Uncle Miltie
263- all you need to do is listen to Gore speak
2006-07-17 21:37:26
271.   Steve
No, I'm sure that it's as fascinating as a Danys Baez changeup, but I haven't seen it.
2006-07-17 21:38:10
272.   MartinBillingsley31
My problem with lofton and izturis is not only them but our pitching needs extremely good offense to win games, and lofton/izturis are not extremely good.
2006-07-17 21:38:25
273.   D4P
Help is on the way:

Before batting practice, the Dodgers worked out 35-year-old right-handed reliever Danny Patterson, an eight-year veteran who hasn't pitched since 2004 because of shoulder problems. Patterson has pitched for Texas and Detroit and from 1997-2001 averaged 57 appearances a year.

2006-07-17 21:38:59
274.   bobbygrich
267 Well if you took out the ones who stunk, than you have a point, out of the 20 CFs who have made the qualified amount of plate appearances, 50% have OPSs over .800 going into tonight's game.

Out of the 40 players who have played this year, again half an OPS over .800.

2006-07-17 21:39:53
275.   Andrew Shimmin
Are movies based on Power Point presentations on average better than movies based on video games?
2006-07-17 21:41:17
276.   regfairfield
If we're taking out players that stink and demand above average performance, shouldn't we want .875 OPS out of our corner outfielders as a bare miniumum?
2006-07-17 21:43:08
277.   D4P
There is no question that a movie based on a Power Point presentation given by Al Gore is a recipe for boredom. However, the movie was not really the least bit boring.
2006-07-17 21:43:28
278.   bobbygrich
Mike Scioscia is going to beg Stoneman for someone who can get guys out so he doesn't wear out Shields, who had to come again today to get a couple of outs in what was a 8-4 lead in the 8th. Now it is 8-5.
2006-07-17 21:43:44
279.   JoeyP
Does Danny Patterson know someone personally with the Dodgers?
2006-07-17 21:43:48
280.   Jon Weisman
250 - Well, I just watched my W.I.T.C.H. episode and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed. I think it's too hard to follow, and the payoff isn't enough to make up for it. It just doesn't really work.
2006-07-17 21:44:35
281.   Steve
We don't want .875 OPS corner outfielders? Au contraire, mon frere.
2006-07-17 21:45:42
282.   JoeyP
276. I'd keep in all the players, but just hopefully be above average all the positions.Yes, both corners with an OPS above .875 would be nice as well.

Drew'll probably be around there by the end of the year.
Cruz and a platoon partner might be close (if Cruz was strictly platooned).
Lofton is still the hole in CF.

2006-07-17 21:46:22
283.   regfairfield
281 Well, of course I'd want it, but I don't demand that kind of performance.
2006-07-17 21:46:24
284.   Bob Timmermann

Well, that takes a lot of pressure off of me trying to figure out what to say.

2006-07-17 21:46:39
285.   D4P
Lofton is still the hole in CF

"The Hole" is not a bad nickname for him. It works on so many levels...

2006-07-17 21:49:43
286.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have gone ahead of the Phillies.

And Rob Bowen has scored a run!

2006-07-17 21:49:45
287.   JoeyP
I demand it if the team is paying money at a position.

From the rooks and younger guys that are making league minimum, then I think league average production should be the goal.

But if you make any kind of money above what a rookie would make, you should be above average at your position. That should be the goal anyway.

That sort of plays into my philosophy of superstars and rookies. The rooks can be average, and superstars above average, and everyone is content.

2006-07-17 21:49:56
288.   Andrew Shimmin
Eric Byrnes is a nutcase, and he's got quite the set of ears on him.
2006-07-17 21:50:13
289.   bobbygrich
I will say this for San Diego, for some reason they do come back in games. Now whether they can hold the lead is another thing.

The Dodgers still have not come back after trailing by more than 4 runs in a game.

2006-07-17 21:50:29
290.   MartinBillingsley31
Kenny "the hole" lofton
Cesar "the hole" izturis


2006-07-17 21:50:47
291.   JoeyP
If Loney develops like Loney Sr, even I'll come around to liking him.

Adrian Gonzalez should get most improved player award, if they have that. I'm impressed.

2006-07-17 21:51:16
292.   StolenMonkey86
I think we should all take a minute to look at this and smile:
2006-07-17 21:52:59
293.   thinkingblue
Drew'll probably be around there by the end of the year.

That's just sad, he should be around .950.

2006-07-17 21:56:37
294.   JoeyP
Drew's career average OPS is .900.
Why would you expect him to be 50 points above that?
2006-07-17 21:58:32
295.   Steve
By the way, Jon, a few thoughts since I had time to read your relief pitcher piece while the Dodger Rays went down in flames tonight:

1) This would basically be my closing argument, though I would emphasize that not only is relief pitching quirky, but it is also not as important as everyone thinks it is.

2) I'm wondering how useful it was to go down to the "Top 100" relief pitchers. If you take out the really good relief pitchers (the ones for whom the debate is not whether to use them, but how much), which seems to me a different category than your run of the mill Scott Eyre, is it really meaningful to finish, say, 91st in this stat? Sure there must be 200+ middle relievers a year as teams shunt them to and fro, but aren't 100 of those simply Jeff Fassero types who only hang on because they've been there before, regardless of their talent? I guess that's a long way of wondering if someone like Otsuka, who finished 100th last year, really belonged on a list of "consistent" relievers. Maybe he does. (But I'm looking at you, Fairly Pedestrian 2002 Ranked 83rd Guillermo Mota)

3) Any list with Darren Oliver on it is self-refuting

4) Interesting that Francisco Cordero actually grades out better this year (slightly) than K-Rod. I assume that is a result of Cordero's being moved to a set-up role where he pitches in higher-leverage situations.

5) Studes' comment about how the mediocreness of relief pitching overall made consistent relief pitchers more valuable was very interesting. But that carries its own significant problems, particularly because egotistical GMs like to self-define "consistent"

6) The most valuable relief pitcher in baseball is probably Scot Shields.

2006-07-17 21:58:38
296.   thinkingblue
Why would you expect him to be 50 points below?
2006-07-17 21:59:19
297.   Bluebleeder87
I fell asleep during this whole game.
2006-07-17 22:00:09
298.   Bluebleeder87
& I'm proud so say that.
2006-07-17 22:00:45
299.   JoeyP
I doubt he will be by the time the year is over. He'll be around his average. Just because he isnt right now, doesnt mean he wont be. All players go through slumps. Drew's actually played fine in July. His biggest problem is his poor hitting against LHP, which really is a surprise.
2006-07-17 22:02:34
300.   MartinBillingsley31
I'd really like to see 5 outfielders next year getting significant starting time (ethier kemp loney guzman repko) with drew starting almost everyday.
And having loney give nomar some days off at 1b, guzman giving laroche some days off at 3b, aybar giving furcal and kent some days off at 2b and ss, and saenz strictly as a pinch hitter.
And would really like the dodgers to add the 2 best free agent starting pitchers (zito and schmidt) to penny lowe billingsley, with saito and broxton and the rest of the bullpen worked out with guys like brazoban alexander kuo ect.


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2006-07-17 22:02:55
301.   Scanman33
273-I actually know Danny Patterson a little bit. Good guy but his career is over.
2006-07-17 22:06:02
302.   confucius
Has Loney been playing OF in AAA? Did I miss something?
2006-07-17 22:06:22
303.   Bluebleeder87
I woke up saying, shoot the Dodger game!

I turned the channel just to find out they lost there 5th in arrow.

2006-07-17 22:06:46
304.   bobbygrich
300 I think you have too many players in that scenario and I don't think you would ever have that many young players on the team at one time. The Dodgers are not the Florida Marlins.
2006-07-17 22:06:49
305.   thinkingblue

He had TJ. He won't help until at least may or june.

2006-07-17 22:07:30
306.   bobbygrich
302 A little bit.
2006-07-17 22:07:38
307.   MartinBillingsley31
Has Loney been playing OF in AAA? Did I miss something?


2006-07-17 22:08:20
308.   Gen3Blue
298 Congrats, I just woke up myself and it is probably for the best. I had weathered the sweep quite well I thought, but I was beginning to wear down.
A 2 and 1/2 hour nap works wonder for the mood!
2006-07-17 22:08:39
309.   natepurcell
Light up the Halo!!!

I mean...oops. Wrong team.

2006-07-17 22:09:45
310.   Jon Weisman
295 - "I'm wondering how useful it was to go down to the "Top 100" relief pitchers."

Other than it being a nice round number, I came to believe that I should be generous in defining what a useful reliever could be. And also, since I didn't think ARP was a one-size-fits-all stat, I should have the cutoff be lower than higher. I felt that if you couldn't even stay on a list that included truly mediocre pitchers from year to year, it would better show how difficult it was to project success.

"If you take out the really good relief pitchers (the ones for whom the debate is not whether to use them, but how much)"

I feel like there are so few of these guys, so few that stay in this category, that they barely make an impression.

The point of the article was not to determine who the best guys were, but to show how unreliable almost everyone else is.

2006-07-17 22:10:09
311.   confucius
307 How has he faired? Is he playing RF? Isn't he really slow?
2006-07-17 22:10:22
312.   MartinBillingsley31
He had TJ. He won't help until at least may or june.

I know and that's fine, others would have options if they stink it up.

2006-07-17 22:11:14
313.   Gen3Blue
Booyahhh! I agree although I'm going broke!
2006-07-17 22:11:57
314.   Bluebleeder87
I hope we turn it around quick.

I hope this is just a "little bad spell"

I hope Drew & Kent hit the ball like they're paid to do

I hope our pitching....

2006-07-17 22:12:17
315.   bobbygrich
Chase Utley is a lot of things but a great fielder is not one them, sounded like he could have made a double play instead it bounced off his glove and the Padres added an insurance run.
2006-07-17 22:13:37
316.   Jon Weisman
314 - A Shawshank moment!
2006-07-17 22:13:58
317.   confucius
310 "The point of the article was not to determine who the best guys were, but to show how unreliable almost everyone else is."

That's what I got out of it. We get flustered all the time when hitters are having off years, but it seems impossible to expect something out of a reliever. That's probably why they do not typically sign long term deals.

2006-07-17 22:14:27
318.   bobbygrich
310 That is why a guy like Gio can go back and forth, the ability to get 3 outs late in games is the Holy Grail in baseball.
2006-07-17 22:15:56
319.   LAT
"Dodger Rays." thats so rough, yet so perfect!
2006-07-17 22:18:41
320.   Bob Timmermann
Remember when the Rockies were tied for first? Remember when the DBacks were a hopeless mess? Remember when someone declared the race over in May with the Dodgers ahead?

Standings now

1) Padres
2) DBacks
3t) Dodgers
3t) Giants
5) Rockies

2006-07-17 22:20:40
321.   MartinBillingsley31
Booyahhh! I agree although I'm going broke!

I posted salaries in another thread, if we let go every mediocre veteran only signed thru this season (and there are alot of them) and if ned somehow traded tomko and izturis, very doable, we could sign both zito and schmidt and nomar(who will make the same as this season considering incentives).
Gagne's contact alone pays for 1 of zito or schmidt pretty much.

And this is also keeping perez and his salary.

2006-07-17 22:30:29
322.   Steve
310 -- That makes sense to help illustrate the peaks and valleys.

Now, we must ask why GMs believe they can cheat fate.

2006-07-17 22:32:30
323.   Bluebleeder87

musical chairs?

2006-07-17 22:36:20
324.   JoeyP
The farthest out of 1st place the Dodgers have been all year has been 4 games. Right now they are 3.5
2006-07-17 23:00:34
325.   Uncle Miltie
I heard Steve Phillips interviewed on the radio today. He sounded like a completely different person than the numbskull from baseball tonight. Two points that really stuck out to.
-Said that the Cubs are terrible and while injuries have a lot to do with it, their team OBP is very low. You have to a good OBP to score runs.
Kind of obvious, but I'm a little bit surprised to hear it coming from his mouth
-Loved the big trade for the Nats. Said anytime you can acquire 2 young everyday players for some relief pitchers you've made a great deal. Said that even though the Reds have one of the worst bullpens in baseball, it was a bad deal. Said that a lot of relievers are replaceable and can be picked up cheap (mentioned the waiver wire and spring training invitees). Said you should never overpay for relievers because their performances can change drastically from year to year.

This part absolutely shocked me. Maybe he learned his lesson from trading Jason Bay for Bobby Jones.

2006-07-17 23:01:20
326.   Bluebleeder87
we have guys with the same ERA going against each other tomorrow
2006-07-17 23:04:35
327.   StolenMonkey86
I got my money on Billingsley.

::holds a quarter in the air::

2006-07-17 23:08:59
328.   JoeyP
Billz is lucky to have an ERA that low (4.45)...32IP 26bbs 18ks 4hrs.. His peripherals are really bad. You gotta think at some point he'll throw a good game.

Not sure if it'll be at the BOB though.

2006-07-17 23:28:35
329.   Steve
Tonight's Outside The Lines: Does ESPN purposefully encourage its on air personnel to talk like raving moron lunatics for ratings? We'll ask Steve Phillips and Bill Plaschke for perspective

BP: Frankly, ESPN doesn't have to tell me a thing. I've always been a raving moron lunatic and so I don't really need direction.

SP: It's hard to put on this raving moron lunatic front. Fortunately, talk radio allows me to express myself in rational and measured tones.

BP: You know who would make a really good raving moron lunatic? Paul LoDuca.

2006-07-17 23:29:19
330.   Steve
The Dodgers are not the Florida Marlins.

2006-07-17 23:43:29
331.   Suffering Bruin
I missed this game as well as the previous four.

Damn straight it's not a coincidence. My team needs me.

325 My opinion of Steve Phillips just increased ten-fold and I'm inclined to agree with 329 that perhaps it's ESPN that's the problem.

2006-07-18 00:31:04
332.   StolenMonkey86
328 - With the small sample size, I'd say the peripherals are just a demonstration of his lack of confidence and command, and don't suggest that much. That his ERA is low speaks well of his composure - getting out of jams like he did his last start. Looking at game score, he's stairstepped up slowly.

What strikes me is how the battle of the pitch counts really makes a difference. At the beginning of the year, the Dodger offense got going largely due to all the walks they took. I'd have to look at the monthy pitches/PA, but I'm pretty sure it has regressed since the first major slump began.

2006-07-18 00:38:43
333.   StolenMonkey86
331 - welcome back.

Duncan tossed his cap toward Hernandez, who picked it up, walked to the first row and flipped it to a fan. Bench coach Dave Jauss took over coaching first.

"He took property of the Dodgers and threw it in the stands," Duncan said. "He'll have to find a way to get back that cap or pay for it."

1) Duncan is standing up for principle, namely property rights.
2) Don't throw your hat at a bully.
3) Mariano Duncan would not like Dennis Rodman.
4) Given the price of hats, the Dodgers are not pursuing Alfonso Soriano.

2006-07-18 06:35:39
334.   Sam DC
Chris at Capitol Punsishment reflects on who would be a good trading partner re Soriano. This is passed along just for the description of Stoneman:

"The Angels are probably the best fit. They're loaded with prospects and really need outfield help. But their GM has traditionally been unwilling to part with his babes, as he continues to hoarde infielders and washed-up veterans as if they were tabbies and he were a cat lady."

2006-07-18 06:53:11
335.   DaveP
Looks like Kent is headed to the DL. Maybe it's an opportunity to shift Izturis over to 2B and put Aybar or possibly even Laroche at 3B.
2006-07-18 07:17:59
336.   D4P
Maybe. Or maybe it's an opportunity to get The Hole, Fur-kel, Izturis, and Lucille II all in the lineup everyday.
2006-07-18 07:18:25
337.   Steve
Either the price is our top prospects or the available player is only a marginal upgrade over what we have.

Translation: I've been to both places, and all I got was this lousy Devil Ray t-shirt.

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