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July 24 Game Chat
2006-07-24 17:26
by Jon Weisman
Comments (505)
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2006-07-24 17:39:30
1.   Prescott Pete
I recall Orel Hershiser had a brother-Dodger-pitcher -- no?
2006-07-24 17:46:01
2.   ToyCannon
2006-07-24 17:48:46
3.   Prescott Pete
"Meet my sons, Orel and Gordie."
2006-07-24 17:49:47
4.   ToyCannon
I think the sibling has to have played professional baseball to count and the Dodgers have the short end of the stick. I remember seeing Wilton Guerrero and then seeing Vlady and feeling very very shortchanged. We get the speedy infielder, someone else gets the crazy power hitter. In the 50's we lost Clemente(nothing to do with the sibling thread) and in the 90's we lost Vlady two of the strangest but greatest Right Fielders in the last 50 years.
2006-07-24 17:50:44
5.   ToyCannon
Dad was evidently a big hockey fan. If I remember Orel was an excellent hockey player.
2006-07-24 17:51:28
6.   FirstMohican
4 - I think we "lost" Vlad twice?
2006-07-24 18:10:57
7.   gpellamjr
4 I don't know anything about this. Please don't tell me Vlad was LA property at some point (and I don't mean LA of Anaheim).
2006-07-24 18:11:27
8.   Uncle Miltie
I was so excited to come back to LA after being in Arizona for the weekend. It was 90 today with humidity here. I think I'd rather be in Arizona's dry heat. It's kind of funny how the weather is actually better on the east coast right now.

When did Grits start batting Drew 2nd? This probably the best spot in the lineup for whether he's slumping or not. Nomar's poor approach is finally catching up to him because he's been unable to make adjustments. I guess Grits doesn't want to bruise his ego by moving him down a few spots in the lineup. It's nice that Martin is finally batting higher than 8th. I doubt it will make much of a difference. Who plays is more important than where they hit. Repko should be a small upgrade over Lofton and if he performs even decently, he should be able to steal the starting CF job from Lofton.

2006-07-24 18:18:02
9.   D4P
Are you still planning a trip to Oregon?
2006-07-24 18:18:14
10.   overkill94
8 It wasn't better when I was in New York last week. It was in the 90s with way more humidity than we have around here.

Supposedly it's supposed to start cooling off tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath.

2006-07-24 18:24:58
11.   Uncle Miltie
9- only if I get in. I've already been to the state of Oregon twice, just not the college.

Besides going to Grand Canyon when I was younger, I had never been to Arizona. Chase Field might be the best stadium out the teams in the NL West (though I've never been to Petco; only Qualcomm).

2006-07-24 18:27:20
12.   ToyCannon
No he was never our property but I've heard that we scouted the brothers and choose Wilton.

Yeah, after 10 years of banging 300 with + power that approach is finally catching up to him. He's had ONE dry spell all season.

2006-07-24 18:29:08
13.   ToyCannon
Petco is nice mainly cause of the location. I like being able to take the train to the stadium and then after the game walk a block to a bevy of night or family life.
2006-07-24 18:29:27
14.   StolenMonkey86
Jason Repko's splits so far (69 AB):

vs LHP: .364/.481/.909
vs RHP: .277/.346/.340

From 2005 (276 AB):

vs LHP: .235/.278/.382
vs RHP: .213/.283/.385

1) He's found out how to make contact.

2) He's focused more on making contact against right-handers, resulting in a 63 point OBP jump (fueled by a 64 point BA jump).

3) He's been focusing his power on left-handers, and quite successfully. That's where all of his homers have been.

2006-07-24 18:30:16
15.   D4P
only if I get in

When do you find out?

2006-07-24 18:30:34
16.   Paul Scott
8 - Agree as to Drew. The important thing is that Izturis, Lofton and Martinez are not all in the same linup. Hopefully when Kent returns, it is Izturis and not Aybar that loses a starting job (or better yet, hopefully Izturis has been moved to Pittsburg by then).
2006-07-24 18:30:35
17.   Bob Timmermann
By what criteria do you consider Chase Field superior to the other stadiums of the NL West?

Chase Field is the only one of the four I have not been to.

I think Coors Field is a pretty nice place and AT&T Park isn't bad except for the fact that you have to watch the Giants play.

PETCO I can take or leave.

It's hard to compare the new boutique parks to Dodger Stadium.

2006-07-24 18:32:49
18.   Paul Scott
14 - "making contact" != higher OBP. The reverse is often the case.
2006-07-24 18:35:48
19.   T Money
I'm sure this has been touched upon before, but what is it about the Dodgers' nearly inevitable post All Star Game swoon?

As an exercise, I looked at the Dodgers' first ten post-break games for the past 16 seasons (making a total of 160 games, to most closely replicate an actual season). The result? Dodgers went 69/91, for a winning percentage of .431. In only one of those 16 seasons (1992) did the Dodgers have a winning percentage lower than .431 over the course of an entire season.

It probably doesn't mean anything. I just wanted to confirm the nagging feeling I get every All Star break that rough seas are ahead.

2006-07-24 18:36:16
20.   StolenMonkey86

2005 K-rate: 1 every 3.45 AB (.290 K average)

2006 K-rate: 1 every 4.93 AB (.203 K average)

his OBP rise has been all due to hitting the ball better. Striking out less helps a lot.

2006-07-24 18:38:42
21.   Paul Scott
Since the uniforms are not actually playing the game, that trend is very likely the result of luck. :) An alternative (that I have not explored) is that it is a result of scheduling. During the seasons you explored, did you check the end-of-season records for the teams the Dodgers have played immediately after the ASB?
2006-07-24 18:41:28
22.   Marty
I always thought we had originally signed Vlad off the island, but let him go somehow. Am I crazy on that?
2006-07-24 18:41:55
23.   Bluebleeder87

I guess were just gonna have to ride the wave T Money.

2006-07-24 18:42:03
24.   T Money

I had the same thought, re: scheduling. And, no, I did no statistically meaningful analysis of the records of the opposing teams. On cursory glance, however, it didn't seem like the teams the Dodgers faced post All Star break were any tougher or easier than random.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's probably luck as well. Bad, bad luck.

2006-07-24 18:42:55
25.   StolenMonkey86
19 - Does it make a difference whether or not the NL wins the ASG?
2006-07-24 18:43:17
26.   Bluebleeder87

I remember that also (not sure if it's true though)

2006-07-24 18:43:30
27.   Paul Scott
Striking out less help quite a bit, since a K is always an out and a BIP is an out about 70% of the time. The implication, however, that "making contact" is a reason to celebrate is misleading. If (which in the limited sample size provided is not true) he is lowering both BBs and Ks in exchange for "making contact" then the long run is likely an inferior hitter.

Perhaps it is a quibble, but your original comment was about Repko's work on making contact (not neccessarily a good thing) and not exclusively on his reduction in strikeouts (always a good thing if all other things are held even).

2006-07-24 18:45:31
28.   StolenMonkey86
20- ok, he's walked more, too.

The point is he appears to have improved a lot this year. Has anyone noticed his swing is any different, or is this largely due to working on a lot of stuff?

2006-07-24 18:45:43
29.   Paul Scott
22 - We never signed Vlad. McCourt had a private agreement with Vlad prior to his acquisition of the Dodgers. Vlad chose the deal with Anaheim, however. The Dodgers organization itself never had any claim to Vlad.
2006-07-24 18:47:45
30.   StolenMonkey86
27 - You know what you're doing. You're proving that my SAT verbal score, like Andre Ethier's batting average, was heavily inflated by luck.
2006-07-24 18:48:13
31.   Steve
What were we just the last two years? We were pretty god forsaken awful last year, although I don't remember hitting rock bottom until early august.
2006-07-24 18:48:41
32.   Paul Scott
28 - honestly, I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about Repko or his improvement at this point - other than to say he was off to a good start. After another 1000+ PAs if his numbers are sustained, then you can talk about improvement.
2006-07-24 18:50:30
33.   Uncle Miltie
12- I'm talking about his recent approach. He's swinging at first pitch breaking balls out the strike zone. He'll bust out of the slump, just like Vlad did, but it would be nice if he wouldn't swing at pitcher's pitches early in the count.

15- I haven't even applied yet. I will probably find out from most schools between January and May. Here's how I'd rank them right now
1. UofA/ASU- tie
2. University of Oregon
3. Cal Poly SLO
4. CSU Chico
5. University of Colorado- might not even apply because of the snow

17- You get a great view of the field from most seats in Chase Field. Even in the upper deck, you can actually make out the players and are able to distinguish who they are. The fans in Arizona seemed pretty knowledgeable too. You can't do this at Dodger Stadium or SBC from the same seats. Food prices are also relatively cheap. A grilled chicken sandwich is $5, a beer is $4, and a hot dog is about $3.

I love Coors (not the disgusting beer) too. I've been there 3 times. Twice I sat about 10-15 row from the front down the 3rd base line and once in right field.

2006-07-24 18:55:07
34.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
30 - Prompted by your confession, I looked up Ethier's BA/BIP.
Holy crow, it's .410.
2006-07-24 18:56:20
35.   Bluebleeder87
Dave Roberts is gonna be a pesky customer today.
2006-07-24 19:00:51
36.   StolenMonkey86
After another 1000+ PAs if his numbers are sustained, then you can talk about improvement

True. I don't know if he was just lucky to start, unlucky last year, or has genuinely improved. He might be having a reversed sophomore slump, given the low expectations pitchers had of him based on 2005. I don't know what he's going to do at all really.

2006-07-24 19:04:42
37.   StolenMonkey86
34 - sounds about right.

My PSAT verbal score was 600, and the first time on the SAT is was 620. The second time it hit 800.

What's his Line Drive percentage?

2006-07-24 19:05:07
38.   Bob Timmermann
News flash:

Joe Mauer is good.

2006-07-24 19:05:49
39.   Marty
I meant I thought we had Vlad as a teenager before he was at Montreal. I must be mistaken.
2006-07-24 19:07:33
40.   Bob Timmermann

I don't believe he was signed, but just given a try out. Wilton was signed. I think Vlad was very young.

2006-07-24 19:08:33
41.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
37 - 22.8%
2006-07-24 19:09:15
42.   tjshere
I seem to recall many DTers being as much or more impressed with Repko's improved approach at the plate early this year as they were with his production. I just hope he maintains that patient approach and doesn't press to make things happen now that he's back.
2006-07-24 19:11:16
43.   underdog
1 Extremely delayed reaction to:
"I recall Orel Hershiser had a brother-Dodger-pitcher -- no?"

um, Written?

Get it?

Yeah... Anyway. Good luck to the Dodgers tonight. I won't say anything else except I'm praying for an escape from my Groundhog Day-like existence (also been rewriting this screenplay over and over again so between that and the Dodgers it's definitely like being stuck in a time loop.)

2006-07-24 19:12:11
44.   Bob Timmermann
2006-07-24 19:13:01
45.   tjshere
2006-07-24 19:13:20
46.   Bluebleeder87
not a good way to start, uh guys.
2006-07-24 19:14:19
47.   Bluebleeder87
what is going on with the umpiring crew?
2006-07-24 19:14:30
48.   underdog
What the heck is going on? The umpire just left after calling that balk? It must have upset him.
2006-07-24 19:14:31
49.   Bob Timmermann
It's the Ghost of Red Buttons.

Strange things are happening ...

2006-07-24 19:14:58
50.   scareduck
6 - yes, I recall this is correct. In addition to losing out to Vlad in free agency, the Dodgers had the opportunity to sign Vlad as a free agent when he was a teenager but passed.
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2006-07-24 19:15:45
51.   Bob Timmermann
Well, it was definitely a balk.
2006-07-24 19:16:03
52.   tjshere

My guess would be the ump has "flu-like symptoms". He seemed to be in quite a hurry.

2006-07-24 19:16:27
53.   Bob Timmermann
And now it's getting weirder...

I think Giles is going to be out of the game as he is running very poorly.

2006-07-24 19:16:32
54.   Bluebleeder87
dude this is a weird game
2006-07-24 19:16:57
55.   Gen3Blue
Hey, way to get an out.
2006-07-24 19:18:35
56.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
55 - Repko's cannon claims another victim.
2006-07-24 19:18:36
57.   Bluebleeder87

twinkle toes.

2006-07-24 19:18:36
58.   underdog
Ironically (or moronically?) Lowe's stuff looked good that inning actually. Even the hit was on a real low breaking ball that Giles golfed. Those errors will kill you. And umpires, too, apparently.
2006-07-24 19:18:37
59.   Andrew Shimmin
I will have lost all faith in Bob if he doesn't take up the banner for crediting Giles with a double, there, instead of a single. He touched second before getting tagged, he just overran it.
2006-07-24 19:20:58
60.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I'll say it again: If JD Drew is having a power outage, then having him bat second makes sense.
2006-07-24 19:21:18
61.   Bob Timmermann
Rule 10.07 (c) When the batter attempts to make a two-base hit or a three-base hit by sliding, he must hold the last base to which he advances. If he overslides and is tagged out before getting back to the base safely, he shall be credited with only as many bases as he attained safely. If he overslides second base and is tagged out, he shall be credited with a one-base hit; if he overslides third base and is tagged out, he shall be credited with a two-base hit.
2006-07-24 19:21:58
62.   Andrew Shimmin
He didn't slide.
2006-07-24 19:22:14
63.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I stand by my statement.
2006-07-24 19:22:27
64.   StolenMonkey86
heh, that's funny, they thought we had Kenny Lofton in center field.
2006-07-24 19:22:40
65.   Gen3Blue
You know, its probably coincidence, but it all fell apart when we lost Dave Roberts, a class guy.
2006-07-24 19:22:56
66.   Bob Timmermann
The terms are interchangeable in this case.
2006-07-24 19:22:59
67.   underdog
Apparently the home plate umpire has knee problems, so one of the other umpires is going to replace him and is getting gear on or something?

Way to make him work, btw, JD. Sigh.

2006-07-24 19:23:53
68.   King of the Hobos
What does the hidden ball trick count as?
2006-07-24 19:24:02
69.   Bluebleeder87
those swings by Nomar are telling me he's tired.JMO.
2006-07-24 19:27:06
70.   jet
Everybody who wants to live with Aybar's defense in exchange for his scintillating bat, maybe it's time for some famous ten inch long Dodger Crow. Eastern most in quality, dressed fresh here in the West. Where are you, Alex? Please come home from Beantown. I'll even take Joey.
2006-07-24 19:27:32
71.   Bluebleeder87
Yeah, keep 'um up there Lowe.
2006-07-24 19:27:47
72.   Sam DC
Nationals Thoughts/background for LAT

1. DC City Government: The image of Marion Barry calling the Lerner bid racist one day and then donning a red W cap two days later to vote for the stadium is probably pretty strongly remembered by the team's new owners. The whole DC government has been absurd through this process, with Mayor Williams fighting hard for a while, then disappearing for the endgame (and he, btw, endorsed a different bid group), mayor-wannabee and City Council chair Linda cropp careening from pro- to anti- to pro-, and The Night Owl (Barry) claiming credit for every positive development. If you're looking to energize a lull in the conversation, this subject should be good for a few laughs (or cries).

2. New Ballpark The new stadium is supposed to be ready for the 2008 season. It is clearly the key to the Nationals' business success. The Lerners are huge regional developers (built Tysons Corner and the White Flynt Mall, both major suburban projects) and Team President Stan Kasten supervised the building of Turner Field so people assume they can manage the project and make it happen. That said, it is the City not the team that is building the stadium so their influence is limited. Parking is a huge and sore issue right now, in two ways. First, the city is obligated to provide some close in VIP spots right next to the stadium that must be available when the stadium opens, and there is a big fight over how to do that. The bottom line is the Lerners want simpler parking structures that can get built on time; the city wants fancier underground parking with Condos/retail on top that risks not getting built on time. Also, there is just a big shortage of parking overall for the new stadium and that issue has not been reasonably addresed so far. Here is a link to a web site with picture of the proposed stadium in case you (or your daughter) want to check it out.

The stadium site is adjacent to the historic DC Navy Yard, one of the oldest naval facilities in the country. The whole area is being redeveloped with a new Federal Center, the new Department of Transportation headquarters, a Five Guys burger joint, for when Jon comes out for a game, and a whole "ballpark entertainment district" which has not been much described in the papers (people wonder if it will be a CityWalk type thing.) Rumors that the naming rights to the stadium will be sold to the clothing company so the park can be called Old Navy Yard, however are just made up by me.

Also as part of the stadium deal, mlb is supposed to build an Youth Baseball Academy like the one operating now in Compton. Nice thing for DC, but not much public action yet on getting it open.

3. Owners: Don't know who'll be drinking margaritas with you on Saturday, but here's a link to the Ownership and Front Office roster. Sportscaster Jim Brown is on there. Just noticed that the director of ballpark operations is named Steve Ethier. Not sure how common that name is, but maybe the Dodgers got the good brother there too.

4. Jim Bowden: Think you know plenty on that score. He's been announced the team's "permanent" GM, although it has oddly not been reported how long his contract actually runs for. He's also facing DUI charges in South Florida; don't know much about the expected disposition of those.

5. The team: Who knows what it'll look like by next saturday, but Nick Johnson at first is having an All-Star year; Bowden signed him this off season to a four-year extension. Austin Kearns, in from the Reds, plays right and center; he's got a gun for an arm. Ryan Zimmerman is the stud rookie-of-the-year candidate 3B. Ryan Church, just recalled from the minors, is the Nationals Hee-Seop Choi. Lots of flotsam and jetsam otherwise. Mainstays Jose Vidro and Jose Guillen are both hurt. Notional Ace John Patterson is hurt. Overall, the Nationals have had a ton of injuries and used north of four million players this year. I think they lead the league in DL days and players used or are close.

Frank Robinson is a by-his-gut, get 'em on, bunt 'em over, wave 'em home type manager. Likes to "put pressure on the defense" and that sort of thing. His pitcher utilization is just kooky. Enjoys seeing his relief pitchers bat in the late innings. Does not possess a laptop.

6. Old Friends The oldest friendliest old friend is Nationals first base coach Davey Lopes. Pedro Astacio is pitching. Also have Daryle Ward, who is having a great season as a pinch hitter. John Wetteland was the bullpen coach earlier in the season, but he was fired for blowing things up with the relief pitchers.

Hope this is of some use. Realize I overdid it, but I'm too lazy to edit it down.

2006-07-24 19:28:02
73.   Bob Timmermann
They are usually counted as pickoffs.
2006-07-24 19:28:39
74.   King of the Hobos
Regarding the Soriano to Chicago rumor:

"All I can tell you is that we don't have a deal in place with any team at this hour on any player. That's the only comment I'm going to have," Bowden said.

Unfortunately, we may not be safe yet.

2006-07-24 19:31:31
75.   Andrew Shimmin
66- That's outrageous. First they came for Seo's save, but I did not speak, because I didn't care. Even a little bit. Then they came for whatever the next thing was that you got worked up over, that I didn't even care enough about to remember. Now the score keepers have taken away a perfectly good double, and, I don't remember who this ends. It's not really worth looking up, though.

70- Yup. One error pretty well proves that Aybar is no good.

2006-07-24 19:32:08
76.   Bluebleeder87
nice inning by Lowe.
2006-07-24 19:32:39
77.   Andrew Shimmin
". . .how this ends." Spellcheck can't catch it if it's a real word.
2006-07-24 19:34:43
78.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
ESPN just teased a Shawn Marion item. I'm a 15-minute drive from the Arena Formerly Known as America West, so I care.
But I had the sound muted, so I have no idea what's the news.
2006-07-24 19:35:14
79.   StolenMonkey86
75 - That is actually the only error he has made at 2nd base so far.
2006-07-24 19:35:26
80.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Spellcheck can't catch it if it's a real word.
Just 'cause you feel it doesn't mean it's there.
2006-07-24 19:35:41
81.   overkill94
Holy crap, a home run!
2006-07-24 19:35:54
82.   scooplew
19 -- The 1968 team went 0-5 right after the All-Star Game, 1-7, 2-9 and 4-14. I don't know if that was our worst midseason start ever. Of course, the infield that year was Wes Parker (.239) at 1st. Paul Popovich (.232) at second, Bob Bailey (.227) at 3rd and Zoilo Versalles (.196) at short. Len Gabrielson led the team in homers with 10 -- that is correct. The club hit 67 home runs and batted .230. It was tough to be a Dodgers fan that season, but we hung in there. Drysdale did set the consecutive scoreless inning mark. Russell, Garvey, Buckner and Valentine all made their first appearances in 1969, and the sun started to shine again.
2006-07-24 19:35:54
83.   Bob Timmermann
You can hit the ball over the fence?

Is that allowed?

I'm unfamiliar with this play.

2006-07-24 19:36:21
84.   Bluebleeder87
darn it! I predicted Repko or Martin to hit it out, but Ethier did it.
2006-07-24 19:36:35
85.   StolenMonkey86
3.5 goes yard
2006-07-24 19:36:38
86.   DXMachina
Ethier must have finally read the clean-up hitter's manual.
2006-07-24 19:36:40
87.   natepurcell
Yay for the rookie cleanup hitter.
2006-07-24 19:37:02
88.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Go 'Dre!
2006-07-24 19:37:05
89.   underdog
Yeah, this is a really weird game officially now. Something really bizarre just happened. A Dodger hit the ball and it kept going until it reached the seats and a fan grabbed it, and this guy on the Dodgers rounded the bases. What was that? Such a weird game.
2006-07-24 19:37:38
90.   StolenMonkey86
84 - they can hit one too
2006-07-24 19:38:08
91.   Bob Timmermann
I endorse this strategy of hitting the ball over the fence. I think it's cutting edge and may be the new thing in baseball.
2006-07-24 19:38:29
92.   underdog
Speaking of weird, is it just me or is Vin Scully - and god bless him, I still think he's great - but is he getting weirder and weirder? he just went on for 5 minutes about the world's tallest man.
2006-07-24 19:38:36
93.   Sam DC
Nationals Director of Baseball Operations Steve Ethier cheers too.
2006-07-24 19:39:06
94.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
91 - A passng fancy. But the Baltimore Chop is forever!
2006-07-24 19:39:09
95.   scooplew
I live in Northern California and basically the only time we see the Dodgers on TV is against the Giants. From what I read, the club seems listless. Besides the string of losses and few runs, for those of you who see them on TV or in person, how do they look while they are playing?
2006-07-24 19:39:33
96.   regfairfield
91 I disagree. I think the advantage of scoring a run is negated by how tired the runner will be after having to jog for 15 seconds straight.
2006-07-24 19:40:10
97.   Bob Timmermann
And Vin has told the Robert Wadlow story before.

And it wasn't interesting the first time. I think one of his grandkids must have gotten hold of a Guinness Book of World Records.

2006-07-24 19:40:24
98.   jet
75 - One error that inning. I've seen just about every game he's played, this year and last. (I need a life.) At any rate, he's simply not a competent or even a consistently adequate infielder. Errors of commission, omission, and lack of range contribute to higher pitch counts and overall frustration on the field. Convert him. Package him. The trade-off isn't worth it.
2006-07-24 19:40:47
99.   Bob Timmermann

The Dodgers lately have seemed innocuous.

2006-07-24 19:40:51
100.   tjshere

They'll never catch on. They're rally killers.

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2006-07-24 19:41:40
101.   Bluebleeder87

what is this Home run thing you speak of?

2006-07-24 19:41:50
102.   overkill94
Whatever your philosophy is on stolen bases, I don't think you can have any complaints about running on Piazza today.
2006-07-24 19:41:52
103.   DXMachina
91 - But he killed the rally!
2006-07-24 19:42:35
104.   Sam DC
Man, and now that steal just takes the bat out of Repko's hands. What's with these guys?
2006-07-24 19:42:39
105.   DaveP
102 - Piazza has thrown out just 9% this year.
2006-07-24 19:42:54
106.   DXMachina
103 - Or what 100 said.
2006-07-24 19:44:00
107.   underdog
God bless Russell Martin, too, doing to Piazza what the Cardinals were sometimes trying against him.
2006-07-24 19:44:27
108.   DaveP
If someone gets thrown out by Piazza tonight they should be fined and given a permanent "stop" sign.
2006-07-24 19:44:47
109.   StolenMonkey86
2006-07-24 19:44:50
110.   overkill94
I like our chances with Lowe up there better than Izzy.

Okay, maybe not, but it's close.

2006-07-24 19:45:22
111.   StolenMonkey86
more like what the Cardinals did to Lofton
2006-07-24 19:45:44
112.   scooplew
Time for Martin to steal home.
2006-07-24 19:46:16
113.   underdog
And now we have our power hitter up with 2nd and 3rd! Come on, do that thing they call a... "home run," Lowe.
2006-07-24 19:46:33
114.   Linkmeister
Ethier's home run reminds me of an old Cosby routine (Marty probably remembers it too).

Cos is playing football for Temple. I think he's a halfback, but anyway...he gets the ball, heads for the line, and then:

"There's a hole. I'd never seen a hole, playin' for Temple."

Exactly how I feel about a Dodgers home run.

2006-07-24 19:46:34
115.   overkill94
95 I'd like to tell you that they're hitting a lot of line drives and have just been unlucky (heck, Hudler would do it anyway), but they've been hitting a ton of lazy fly balls and weak grounders. I don't know if it's just one of those "hitting is contagious" episodes in reverse, but I can't think of one hitter who has looked good lately.
2006-07-24 19:46:49
116.   underdog
111 Or more accurately that, yes.
2006-07-24 19:48:40
117.   Bob Timmermann
It's hard to believe that was the first homer the Dodgers have hit in these last four games when the atmospheric conditions are ideal for the ball to carry.

Buck O'Neil could probably muscle one out in this weather.

2006-07-24 19:48:56
118.   Andrew Shimmin
98- I've see just about every one, too. I disagree. He's no great shakes but I don't think he's nearly so bad as you do. The numbers I'm looking at put him below average but above replacement level. I'm not in love with Aybar, I'd rather see Kent playing right now than him. But I don't see where throwing him under the bus gets us.
2006-07-24 19:49:58
119.   Uncle Miltie
I love how the Dodgers are embarrassing Piazza. Everybody who gets on should take advantage of his Johnny Damon-like arm.
2006-07-24 19:50:32
120.   overkill94
2006-07-24 19:50:41
121.   Andrew Shimmin
Dave Roberts should be set on fire, on principle.
2006-07-24 19:50:52
122.   scooplew
108 -- The Dodgers' all-time single-game record for stolen bases is, I hope, in jeopardy tonight. The mark is 8, set in 1948 and tied in 1974.
2006-07-24 19:51:28
123.   jet
Anyone know where Henri Stanley is? You know, the AA outfielder we got for getting Dave his ring?
2006-07-24 19:51:35
124.   Gen3Blue
Unlike Izturis and Furcal, Roberts can hit .280 and always seem to score.
2006-07-24 19:52:24
125.   StolenMonkey86
120 - Lowe gets his own acronym for that, but not Furcal?
2006-07-24 19:52:54
126.   regfairfield
91 I disagree. I think the advantage of scoring a run is negated by how tired the runner will be after having to jog for 15 seconds straight.
2006-07-24 19:53:16
127.   Sam DC
And the Rockies are beating the Cardinals 6-0? The utter inapplicability of the transitive property to baseball has always mystified and amazed me.
2006-07-24 19:53:18
128.   regfairfield
126 Okay, that's not what I typed.
2006-07-24 19:53:21
129.   Bluebleeder87
if that throw was lower, they would have had him.
2006-07-24 19:53:53
130.   Steve
Dave Roberts remains useless; Derek Lowe remains lame.
2006-07-24 19:54:42
131.   tjshere

Was that an echo?

2006-07-24 19:54:54
132.   StolenMonkey86
126 - That's better than having to score on a Kenny Lofton triple from first
2006-07-24 19:55:03
133.   trainwreck
I will repeat what I said in the last thread, because I got there late...

We got the right LaRoche brother!

2006-07-24 19:55:07
134.   Bob Timmermann
This was the 1974 game when the Dodgers stole 8 bases:

All of them came against pitcher John Curtis and catcher Ted Simmons of St. Louis.

Davey Lopes had five, Bill Russell had two, and Jimmy Wynn had one.

Lopes was also caught twice.

Lou Brock stole his 88th base of the season.

Sit down kids, let me tell you about baseball in the 1970s.

2006-07-24 19:55:57
135.   Sam DC
There's something just emotionally wrong about pitchers getting throwing errors. It's like hearing that Christie Brinkley's husband has cheated on her. I mean, I realize it can be explained (to the extent such things ever can, and I certainly don't mean excused), but it just makes no sense.
2006-07-24 19:56:26
136.   Steve
Has somebody finally taught Mike Cameron that the fat part of the bat is supposed to hit the ball?
2006-07-24 19:56:31
137.   das411
72 - Awesome recap Sam, I learned more from this one post than from my brother who is a soph at Georgetown already.

91 et al, those "home runs" are sooooo 2003!

Aaaaand the final line on HAMELS tonight:

5.1 IP, 6H, 7R (all earned), 2BB, 12K on 106 pitches.

Three true outcomes indeed.

2006-07-24 19:57:21
138.   StolenMonkey86
That was all Aybar's fault for not duplicating the ball and throwing to home and first at the same time.
2006-07-24 19:58:23
139.   StolenMonkey86
138 - My defense for the coming sarcasm warning was that it was too silly to be taken seriously.
2006-07-24 19:59:38
140.   jet
118- No, I'm not advocating throwing Aybar under the bus. But because he can hit, I suspect (especially in the American League) he (perhaps in combination with others) has some signficant trade value. It's clear we have some holes to fill, and I don't see him being our 2B of the future largely because of his shaky defense. Of course, we lived with Steve Sax...
2006-07-24 20:01:12
141.   Bluebleeder87
man that was a close one.
2006-07-24 20:02:24
142.   StolenMonkey86
140 - Still, it's his first error he's made at 2nd, his other 5 this season were at 3rd. He might not be bad.
2006-07-24 20:02:34
143.   scooplew
134 -- Thanks. . . And Bruce Froemming, then in his fourth season, was one of the umpires.
2006-07-24 20:02:44
144.   Bob Timmermann
I see that Drew is trying the high socks look tonight in order to change his fortune.
2006-07-24 20:03:29
145.   Bob Timmermann
I think JD can lower his socks now.
2006-07-24 20:03:36
146.   overkill94
You need to get a bigger lead than that if you're gonna steal 3rd Furky.
2006-07-24 20:04:05
147.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the K 2-5 DP is an Angels-like DP.
2006-07-24 20:04:26
148.   jet
138-139 Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Night...
2006-07-24 20:04:32
149.   Gen3Blue
Awww, Furc. got inspired and thought he was Roberts.
2006-07-24 20:04:32
150.   Steve
Though Fur-kel makes Dave Roberts look like DiMaggio.
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2006-07-24 20:04:43
151.   regfairfield
So is Furcal not allowed to steal ever again?
2006-07-24 20:05:05
152.   JoeyP
So Russell Martin has no problems stealing off of Piazza...

But Furcal gets caught.

2006-07-24 20:05:36
153.   StolenMonkey86
Yeah, Furkle, watch our catcher and learn.
2006-07-24 20:06:14
154.   Steve
If Renteria can draw Andy Marte, why can't we trade Fur-kel and move Izturis back to shortstop?
2006-07-24 20:06:24
155.   JoeyP
Stop the presses.
Nomar drew a walk.
2006-07-24 20:06:37
156.   Andrew Shimmin
140- Well, Kent's signed through the end of the twenty-third century, so I don't see Aybar starting at second much, barring the old guy straining his oblique, or whatever else. If there's something useful that can be gotten for him, something more useful than his value as a virtually free reserve IF, via con Di-s, Aybar. I'd be surprised it that's the case. And, as groovy as another round of, "It doesn't matter that Flanders traded X semi-prospect for Y garbage/near-garbage journeyman whose name isn't worth learning to spell, because X wasn't that good," would be, I'd rather just skip it.
2006-07-24 20:06:40
157.   DaveP
151 - he is probably in the back room crying from embarrassment. It's almost impossible to be thrown out by Piazza, but he managed it.
2006-07-24 20:06:50
158.   Gen3Blue
151 given his stats recently, that might be a good idea. He's not the same guy since his leg injury.
2006-07-24 20:07:29
159.   DaveP
2006-07-24 20:07:34
160.   Uncle Miltie
Ethier is a monster! That should have been a 3 run homer.
2006-07-24 20:07:44
161.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier did that thing were the ball gose over the fence again. woo!!
2006-07-24 20:08:13
162.   JoeyP
2006-07-24 20:08:17
163.   regfairfield
2006-07-24 20:08:20
164.   Bob Timmermann
Please tell me more about this "long ball" of which you speak. I remember when I was a lad young Ned Williamson hit 27 of these in Chicago, but that stadium had a very short fence.
2006-07-24 20:08:20
165.   DXMachina
2006-07-24 20:08:31
166.   King of the Hobos
Through 3 innings in Vegas, there are already a combined total of 3 OF assists (Loney and Young each have one). Anyone (Bob?) know the major league record for most OF assists in a game?
2006-07-24 20:08:37
167.   underdog
Okay, it should be 4-2 if it weren't for the caught stealing, but I suddenly have a mancrush on Andre Ethier, thankyouverymuch. Another one of those... "home run" thingamajiggers that was mentioned here earlier.
2006-07-24 20:09:08
168.   Gen3Blue
I think I would rather keep th prospects.
Even the guys who worship power would seem to be better off than trying to get it from worn out vets like Drew.
2006-07-24 20:09:18
169.   StolenMonkey86
Ethier again! I didn't think he'd be a cleanup hitter type, so he's proving me wrong.
2006-07-24 20:09:37
170.   Steve
But...but...did you see Greg Maddux today? What a clutch win for the Cubbies. Ken Rosenthal, begs with you, pleads with you, can't you see the Dodgers with Greg Maddux?
2006-07-24 20:10:20
171.   mikethinksblue
I forgot for a second that I'm watching the game about 10 minutes delayed on tivo, sounds like I can look forward to another of these "home run" things
2006-07-24 20:10:29
172.   StolenMonkey86
Yay, we have more runs and hits than errors now.
2006-07-24 20:10:29
173.   DXMachina
I think the rest of the Dodgers need to subscribe to Ethier's newsletter. His ideas about hitting are intriguing.
2006-07-24 20:10:41
174.   tjshere
I think Repko lit a fire under Ethier. He is, after all, replacing Lofton.
2006-07-24 20:10:47
175.   Bob Timmermann
The Sporting News record book doesn't list a combined OF assist record, just records for one team.

That's five. It hasn't been done since 1928.

2006-07-24 20:10:57
176.   underdog
Btw, what's with all the Steve Garvey love this week? The chat tomorrow, the bobblehead night, etc? Is it the anniversary of the day in which he was carved from molten lava and graced the world?

Isn't Steve Garvey and bobblehead kind of an oxymoron, too?

2006-07-24 20:11:04
177.   Gen3Blue
7 days till our prospects are safe.
2006-07-24 20:11:19
178.   Uncle Miltie
Furcal got a horrible jump and he doesn't know how to slide, yet it was a very close play. I haven't seen a player hook slide in a few years. The head first slide really slows you down and it's much easier for the fielder to tag you out.
2006-07-24 20:11:24
179.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think anyone needs help lighting a fire today.
2006-07-24 20:12:16
180.   Bluebleeder87
snow cone
2006-07-24 20:12:18
181.   Gen3Blue
176 No. Buts it is something from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
2006-07-24 20:12:34
182.   Uncle Miltie
Well at least Drew is a very good fielder.
2006-07-24 20:13:00
183.   JoeyP
Chris Young's getting pounded.
2HRs, 3bbs, and an 0-6 GB/FB ratio.
26balls 28 strikes
2006-07-24 20:14:21
184.   Gen3Blue
Way to keep it down ,Furc.
2006-07-24 20:14:48
185.   Bob Timmermann

I think you are going to need some empirical data to show that head first slides are slower than hook slides.

I've read a medical paper that, surprisingly, stated that feet first slides were more likely to result in a traumatic injury than a head first slide.

A head first slide may cause a hand or shoulder problem, but those don't seem to happen as often as really bad ankle and knee injuries.

The only real downside of a head first slide is that you can break your neck and ... well ... die.

That would be bad.

I believe a certain leadoff hitter named Henderson slid head first his whole career.

2006-07-24 20:15:50
186.   Gen3Blue
182 I didn't know that but I have realized that this year. Drew was blessed with all kinds of tools.
2006-07-24 20:16:26
187.   scooplew
The last time that the Dodgers had hit 2 HRs in a game was June 27 at Minnesota. Can anyone tell me when was the last time a Dodger hit 2 HRs in a game before tonight?
2006-07-24 20:16:36
188.   StolenMonkey86
176 - the idea is to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the 81 WS. That also is why Dusty Baker threw out the first pitch at DS earlier this year.
2006-07-24 20:16:49
189.   Bob Timmermann
If it makes Andrew happy, I take issue with the answer to the AFLAC trivia question answer.

The Dodgers did not win the 1994 NL West title. No one did.

2006-07-24 20:17:22
190.   King of the Hobos
Ethier now has more homers than David Bell (who has 6). However, he has fewer homers than Juan Rivera does in the month of July (he has 9 this month).
2006-07-24 20:19:10
191.   underdog
188 Ah, thanks.

187 It feels like the answer is 1996 or something, but I'm sure it's more recent than that.

2006-07-24 20:19:10
192.   regfairfield
185 Rickey even came out of his mom headfirst.
2006-07-24 20:19:21
193.   bill cox
obscure observation department:Did Justin Ruggiano become the player to be named later in the fantastic Hendrickson trade or did he go into the wrong dugout in the Suns/Biscuits game?
Adam Thomas,28 year old non prospect struck out 14 and lost for Vero Beach tonight.
2006-07-24 20:19:34
194.   StolenMonkey86
187 - I wanna say Matt Kemp, Jun 11 at Colorado
2006-07-24 20:20:39
195.   DaveP
193 - yes. he was the PTBNL.
2006-07-24 20:20:54
196.   StolenMonkey86
185 - "I am the greatest of all time. Thank you."
2006-07-24 20:21:35
197.   Blu2
187 Cody Ross did it that game in Pittsburgh early this season. And was immediately DFAd for his indiscretion.
2006-07-24 20:21:46
198.   Bob Timmermann

Everybody comes out of mom headfirst unless it's a movie or TV show and there's no doctor around to help with the delivery. Then you are almost guaranteed a breech delivery.

Your method of childbirth may vary.

2006-07-24 20:22:22
199.   Andrew Shimmin
189- Hmm. I wouldn't say happy, but a little bit to the happy side of indifferent. But I've found something that does make me happy: KoKo Taylor. I think if everybody in the whole world were listening to KoKo Taylor, right now, 80% of them would be happier than they are. I'm pursuing grants for further study on the matter.
2006-07-24 20:23:24
200.   StolenMonkey86
187 - I'm gonna make Matt Kemp on June 11 my final answer for the last Dodger to hit two homers in a game.
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2006-07-24 20:23:48
201.   underdog
Every time Chris Young comes up I'm afraid Vin's going to launch into the world's tallest man story again.
2006-07-24 20:25:06
202.   regfairfield
198 Still doesn't mean it's not true.
2006-07-24 20:25:27
203.   StolenMonkey86
the two players in tonight's game on my fantasy team:

Dave Roberts
Andre Ethier

2006-07-24 20:25:56
204.   Bob Timmermann
2-hit shutout for Jeff Francis in Colorado against the Cardinals.

The Dodgers are, for the moment, in last place.

2006-07-24 20:26:35
205.   underdog
The one situation the headfirst dive to the bag thing strikes me as particularly wrong is when a runner is trying to beat out a throw to first base. It's not only dangerous, it doesn't seem to ever give them the edge they think it does.
2006-07-24 20:27:03
206.   Andrew Shimmin
Every time I see the Gatorade commercial with the childrenified athletes, it reminds me that Bob should review Little Man.
2006-07-24 20:28:36
207.   Bob Timmermann

I wasn't disagreeing. I was just pointing out a movie cliche.

2006-07-24 20:29:22
208.   Bob Timmermann

Double bill of "Little Man" and "Lady in the Water"!

2006-07-24 20:30:19
209.   Terry A
Our first baby came out sideways. The little woman didn't cry or nothin'.
2006-07-24 20:31:20
210.   StolenMonkey86
Furkle has a double and triple in the 5th
2006-07-24 20:31:41
211.   Bob Timmermann


If I had a birth canal of my own, it would haved sympathy pains right now.

2006-07-24 20:32:11
212.   Bob Timmermann
Stupid extraneous "d".
2006-07-24 20:33:06
213.   Bluebleeder87

your on a mission today.

2006-07-24 20:33:47
214.   StolenMonkey86
RISP, 2 outs, Nomar up
2006-07-24 20:34:55
215.   Blu2
A question for the armchair managers:
Furball triples with one out. Do you tell Drew to put the ball in play or try for a walk in the hope that Nomar can double in both runners?
2006-07-24 20:36:12
216.   Terry A
I have no clue how either of our babies arrived. When the doctor asked me if I wanted to peek "behind the curtain" to see the delivery, I declined both times. Like I want my sons' first memories of their dad to be me throwing up, passing out, or shrieking and flailing about...
2006-07-24 20:36:37
217.   Uncle Miltie
Drew is having a hard time making contact with 90 mph fastballs down the pipe.
2006-07-24 20:36:38
218.   Gen3Blue
6th inning. I'm making a sandwich and hoping I don't have to drowm my sorrows.
That could get habit forming.
2006-07-24 20:39:10
219.   Jon Weisman
Bob is correct that no division titles were awarded in 1994, but I never agreed with that.

If a furious storm came this year and wiped out every game after August 14, would they not award division titles to the leaders?

Mainly, I don't like that the Expos were denied their interrupt-the-Braves title.

2006-07-24 20:39:20
220.   StolenMonkey86
put it in play. Sac fly score him, groundout scores him. If he gets on, great.
Even then, Nomar doesn't strike out much, but if he walks, Nomar has the potential to make the 3rd out on the double play.
2006-07-24 20:39:25
221.   Bluebleeder87

the way Nomar's been hitting? (I wouldn't)

2006-07-24 20:40:53
222.   StolenMonkey86
220- that last sentence has an indefinite pronoun reference. that he is Drew.
2006-07-24 20:44:41
223.   Bluebleeder87
Grady gambled & lost, tide up 3-3
2006-07-24 20:46:10
224.   Bob Timmermann

Part of the reason for not awarding division titles was to avoid having to pay bonuses to the players on the winning teams.

Actually, it may have been the only reason.

2006-07-24 20:47:31
225.   trainwreck
Willy won't be getting off the bench for a couple of days.
2006-07-24 20:49:06
226.   Terry A
225 Top Ten Things That Sound Dirty But Aren't.
2006-07-24 20:49:24
227.   Steve
Houston Mitchell, who is normally quite sensible (sensible enough to call out Mark Hendrickson as a fraud on Sunday), for some reason declared Mike Piazza's career over. An extraordinarily strange position to take.
2006-07-24 20:49:42
228.   StolenMonkey86
Funny how if a pitcher makes a throwing error the run counts as unearned. But if that throwing error is called a bad pitch, the run is earned.
2006-07-24 20:50:40
229.   Bluebleeder87
what are the odds of Ethier hitting another one.
2006-07-24 20:51:01
230.   Bob Timmermann
Vin has invoked the name ...
2006-07-24 20:51:15
231.   StolenMonkey86
Only 85 pitches so far for D Lowe
2006-07-24 20:51:19
232.   dsfan
That's three outs Aybar has given the Padres with his defensive butchery at second base, which, as I said several times, is an inferior position for him.

I know defense isn't a big deal to many folks here, but basic competence there and the Dodgers are ahead 3-1 or 3-0 and Lowe has a lot more fuel to burn.

Izturis should be at 2B, where he would be Gold Glove caliber. Aybar should be at 3B, or back in Triple-A.

2006-07-24 20:51:56
233.   Bluebleeder87
On Aybar, I hope they just let him play thrue that, sitting him won't do any good.JMO.
2006-07-24 20:52:46
234.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is seeing the ball really well today.
2006-07-24 20:53:06
235.   StolenMonkey86
I'd argue Aybar at third, Izzy at short, and Furcal at 2nd. The theory is that if he's closer, Furcal's throws wouldn't go as wide.
2006-07-24 20:53:37
236.   Bob Timmermann
Earned runs measure how a pitcher pitches. Not how well he fields.

Also, a good fielding pitcher would presumably have a lower ERA anyway because he would prevent more hits.

2006-07-24 20:54:48
237.   StolenMonkey86
236 - ah, ok
2006-07-24 20:55:46
238.   Gen3Blue
The tide is up. Indeed.
As much as I have blamed this slght dip in performance on our offense, I would point out to our starters that putting the lead-off batter on second seemingly every second inning is not a favored tactic.
2006-07-24 20:57:40
239.   StolenMonkey86
Aybar with the K
2006-07-24 20:57:57
240.   King of the Hobos
The OF assist count in Vegas is now at 5 after 6 innings. The 51's have 3 of them, Loney has 2 and Young has 1.

Tomko is in to pitch the 7th, he'll see Ben Johnson, Jon Knott, and Jack Cust, Portland's 3-4-5 hitters.

2006-07-24 20:58:08
241.   Uncle Miltie
Martin and Aybar were called out on pitches that were at least 5-6 inches off the plate. It's too bad that the first umpire hurt his knee because this guy is terrible.
2006-07-24 20:59:16
242.   Steve
Jack Cust Lives!
2006-07-24 20:59:33
243.   Blu2
Seventh inning and we haven't lost the game yet. This calls for a celebration...
2006-07-24 21:00:43
244.   Andrew Shimmin
232- If you're saying a minimally competent 2B would have snagged the Piazza single, I think you're all wet. Aybar's boot in the 1st cost a run, but the other two can't be pinned on him. His other boot cost an out, that didn't end up mattering.

There are only two people who comment here, as far as I can tell, who don't care about defense. Everybody else does, each in his own special way.

2006-07-24 21:00:49
245.   Bluebleeder87

he'd probably give is the home town discount also.(i heard Vinnie say he was from here)

2006-07-24 21:02:01
246.   Gen3Blue
Great effort--just what we need at this point.
2006-07-24 21:02:20
247.   Blu2
240 Ben Johnson? I wondered what he was doing these days. Great performances in Rio Grande, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, and Fort Apache.
2006-07-24 21:02:22
248.   Uncle Miltie
Nomar isn't very good at digging balls out of the dirt. Choi and Green were good at doing this. Phillips and McGriff were terrible. Nomar probably shouldn't be playing 1B.
2006-07-24 21:03:05
249.   Bluebleeder87

I'm a defense type guy, & I've mentioned it. But if Aybar were to hit his weight I'd turn a blind eye on his D.

2006-07-24 21:03:18
250.   King of the Hobos
242 Not just does he live, he has 95 walks so far this season.
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2006-07-24 21:04:38
251.   StolenMonkey86
Tomko's inning ends. He gave up a line drive single, induce a GIDP, walked a guy, and struck out the next guy.
2006-07-24 21:05:36
252.   JoeyP
Pitching and offensive production are way more important than defense.

Maybe if the Dodgers were proficient in each of those areas, then you could fine tune the defense.

But playing Ramon Martinez in place of Aybar makes no sense regardless.

2006-07-24 21:05:40
253.   Bluebleeder87
i'd throw a cutter if I were Lowe.
2006-07-24 21:05:52
254.   Bob Timmermann

Maybe we can bring back the tall first baseman debate!

2006-07-24 21:05:54
255.   Steve
244 - And even in one of those cases, it's less a case of not caring about defense, and more a case of not caring about people who are all wet.
2006-07-24 21:05:59
256.   StolenMonkey86
I'm a defense type guy, & I've mentioned it. But if Aybar were to hit his weight I'd turn a blind eye on his D.

This is Aybar, not Broxton. Aybar weighs 200.

2006-07-24 21:07:06
257.   JoeyP
I cant believe Chris Young hasnt recorded a ground ball out.

0-12. This is one of the luckiest performances I've ever seen, for the Dodgers to only have scored 3 runs.

2006-07-24 21:07:31
258.   Blu2
251 Walking a batter and then striking one out after a GIDP is certainly one for the record books.
2006-07-24 21:07:45
259.   Bluebleeder87

sorry thinking out loud.

2006-07-24 21:07:53
260.   King of the Hobos
Tomko threw 14 pitches. Johnson singled on the first pitch, Knott grounded into a double play, Cust saw half of Tomko's pitches and walked, and Luke Scott struck out.

For some reason Gameday credits Tomko's pickoff as a pitch though, so maybe he only made 13 pitches. Or the official scorer thought trying to catch Cust off the bag was just too stupid and deserved to be called a pitch.

2006-07-24 21:08:42
261.   Andrew Shimmin
255- I wasn't thinking of you. Do you still not care about defense? I thought you'd come over to the dark side.
2006-07-24 21:08:46
262.   JoeyP
Thats the Dave Roberts I remember.
2006-07-24 21:10:35
263.   StolenMonkey86
That's why Martinez is on the bench.
2006-07-24 21:10:50
264.   JoeyP
Good move by Grits.
He's managing to win the game, rather than to get Derek Lowe a personal win.

Good job.
Very Anti-Jim Tracy.

I like it.

2006-07-24 21:13:42
265.   Gen3Blue
Good-bye Columbus
2006-07-24 21:13:46
266.   natepurcell
nice hang time on the slider...and the homerun.
2006-07-24 21:13:49
267.   Steve
261 -- I'm torn between not believing in defense, or simply not believing in the silly things people say about defense. So I've moved into the skeptical agnostic category, where I know what's false, but seek the truth.
2006-07-24 21:14:11
268.   JoeyP
Well, it was still the right move.
Just didnt work out.
2006-07-24 21:14:13
269.   Bluebleeder87
A devastating right by mike tyson.
2006-07-24 21:15:16
270.   JoeyP
Can Broxton be punished again?
Trip to Vegas to work on his stamina, while I dont know starting some games.....?
2006-07-24 21:15:16
271.   Steve
Would somebody please ban the slider? Please? Eric Gagne did not win the Cy Young Award throwing sliders.
2006-07-24 21:16:04
272.   Uncle Miltie
Broxton threw 2 hanging sliders. Why would Martin call for a 3rd one when Broxton's best pitch is his fastball. We've been Baezed again.

254- it has nothing do with height, it's a player's hands. Nomar has always had average hands at best. Loney will be a huge upgrade defensively (but still won't come close to matching Nomar's offense).

2006-07-24 21:16:12
273.   Blu2
243 Spoke too soon, jinxed them. Probably inevitable...
2006-07-24 21:17:20
274.   natepurcell
Hey Greg Miller isn't hurt anymore, hes in for Vegas right now.
2006-07-24 21:17:30
275.   King of the Hobos
Greg Miller is no longer on the DL, and he just pitched a perfect inning for the 51s.
2006-07-24 21:17:39
276.   D4P
Cue: The nonsense about how we're only ____ games back.
2006-07-24 21:17:56
277.   Steve
One thing you can say for Baez. He can't throw a slider.
2006-07-24 21:19:05
278.   King of the Hobos
277 Sure he can, it just doesn't slide.
2006-07-24 21:19:15
279.   JoeyP
Well, at least Aybar's finally out of the game.
Such a great time to develop Ramon Martinez at 2nd base. I heard the kid is a keeper. Lots of promise!
2006-07-24 21:19:38
280.   Uncle Miltie
"The games don't count until September"
Eric Karros

Piazza's out, there goes our chance of scoring anymore runs.

2006-07-24 21:20:06
281.   StolenMonkey86
From Wikipedia:

The slider also causes great stress and wear on a pitcher's arm: for this reason the Dodgers organization forbade its pitchers to throw sliders for many years after the pitch became popular.

2006-07-24 21:20:11
282.   Andrew Shimmin
267- Ooh! Now I'm envious. I'm in the, "blindly obey Baseball Prospectus's FRAR, FRAA, and Rate stats, but only half-heartedly, since I don't know how they decide anything, but they seem pretty smart, don't they?" category. I think your way is edgier, but it would be totally un-edgy to just adopt it. So, I'm stuck. For now.
2006-07-24 21:21:14
283.   StolenMonkey86
Did Repko run into the wall on that homer? Why was Cruz PHing for him?
2006-07-24 21:23:16
284.   Blu2
Funny, I'm not mad at Dish anymore for not having the Dodger games on.
2006-07-24 21:23:22
285.   Bob Timmermann
Cla Meredith is a nasty righthander, so Cruz pinch hit.
2006-07-24 21:24:26
286.   JoeyP
Just adopt my attitude:

IF the pitching and hitting both stink, then worrying about defense is irrelevant.

I think of defense in a way that Theo Epstein did when he traded Nomar. It was only after their offense was dominant, and the starting pitching was dominant, did he worry about fine tuning their defense.

Certainly, playing Ramon Martinez at 2nd base bc Aybar isnt a GG fielder, makes no sense at all for the Dodgers at this point of the season.

2006-07-24 21:24:31
287.   Blu2
283 They're showcasing him. (I hope hope hope)
2006-07-24 21:25:37
288.   Bob Timmermann
Terrmel Sledge, Pride of Kennedy High!
2006-07-24 21:26:06
289.   Bluebleeder87
Vinnie just said that Broxton missed it by three feet (the location of the dinger) but he was missing by alot on the previous sliders, so why did Martin keep on calling for that pitch? (hope he stores that in the memory bank for next time)
2006-07-24 21:26:43
290.   natepurcell
David Price in 2007!!
2006-07-24 21:26:46
291.   StolenMonkey86
285 - what, seriously? Was it because he raised his average against right handers to .201 for the season? With 6 OF on the big club, why not PH with Lofton and then put Cruz in the field?
2006-07-24 21:29:31
292.   StolenMonkey86
Delwyn Young ties the game in Vegas on a 2-out double. 4 all, bottom 8, Laroche up
2006-07-24 21:29:50
293.   Blu2
291 You'll have to take that up with Grady and his trusty Ouija Board.
2006-07-24 21:31:37
294.   regfairfield
289 He speaks ill of Russel Martin!
2006-07-24 21:31:49
295.   JoeyP
Two more losses to the Padres, and I think the prospects will be safe and sound.
2006-07-24 21:32:41
296.   Bob Timmermann
Remember when we complained that the Dodgers just hit singles?

No singles tonight!

2006-07-24 21:34:29
297.   Bluebleeder87

not at all, I think it's kind of like "live & learn" type of deal there.

2006-07-24 21:35:05
298.   Steve
282 -- It eliminates bias, so that's good. The problem is what we all just saw. Broxton just gave up a three-run job to a guy who can barely get his bat from point A to B on a slider with a 28 second hang time. So who cares about Aybar? Kent should be playing second anyway. I mean, a debate about whether Izturis or Aybar should be playing second or third is a particularly virulent form of whistling past the graveyard.

But here comes Fur-kel to the plate. Always a thrill to watch him at work.

2006-07-24 21:36:59
299.   Bluebleeder87
& I don't agree with Grady taking out Aybar, what dose that do to his confidence, were's Repko at??
2006-07-24 21:37:43
300.   D4P
Remember when we complained that the Dodgers just hit singles?

Don't know whatcha got, 'til it's go-o-one.
Don't know what it is, I did so wro-o-o-o-ong.

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2006-07-24 21:39:35
301.   Andrew Shimmin
Right then would have been a great time to set Roberts on fire.
2006-07-24 21:39:50
302.   D4P
In 78 ABs in July, Nomar is OPSing a Fur-kel-esque .681.
2006-07-24 21:40:00
303.   Steve
290 -- I need a David Price primer. Also, would you offer Baez arbitration?
2006-07-24 21:41:04
304.   Bob Timmermann
Stupid single!
2006-07-24 21:41:21
305.   Steve
I wish I had a nickel for everytime I said last year that we would be praying that JD Drew would opt out of the last three years of his contract
2006-07-24 21:41:44
306.   Bluebleeder87
3 run shot would be nice right about now.(forever an optomist)
2006-07-24 21:42:18
307.   Bob Timmermann
Terrmel Sledge, fielding like he was still at Kennedy High.

But he played center there!

2006-07-24 21:42:23
308.   Bluebleeder87
well a double will do.
2006-07-24 21:43:14
309.   Bob Timmermann
Linebrink had a bad outing yesterday and this game can't be helping the Padres case for trading him for a bat.
2006-07-24 21:43:20
310.   StolenMonkey86
303 - I would offer Baez a dollar.
2006-07-24 21:43:44
311.   Steve
I wonder if the Cubs would give us Maddux if we threw Martin in with Ethier.
2006-07-24 21:44:00
312.   Bluebleeder87
man that feels good!!!
2006-07-24 21:44:16
313.   StolenMonkey86
What is this? Offense scoring multiple runs in an inning?
2006-07-24 21:44:22
314.   Blu2
Lofton, not Ledee!!!
2006-07-24 21:44:30
315.   Uncle Miltie
Amazing. The Puerto Rican Assassin does it again.
2006-07-24 21:44:30
316.   D4P
There's some singles, baby!
2006-07-24 21:44:33
317.   Robert Daeley
I like this "scoring runs" thing. Do you think we can incorporate it into our strategy for future games?
2006-07-24 21:44:35
318.   natepurcell

I don't see why we shouldn't. Hes going to get more then a one year deal and because he

1- throws 95
2- had 41 saves in 2005
3- is under 30
4- durable

2006-07-24 21:44:37
319.   Bob Timmermann
NL West Baseball! Watch it for the tragicomic overtones!
2006-07-24 21:45:16
320.   Uncle Miltie
Posted this in the other thread by accident.

Delwyn Young ties up the game at Vegas. Young has been one of the biggest disappointments on the farm this year. I really thought that he was going to tear up Vegas. He's always been a very good hitter. It would be a shame if the Dodgers gave up on after this year.

I heard Tony Jackson interviewed today and he said that the Dodgers have soured on Guzman and LaRoche. I'm guessing he mixed up LaRoche with someone else or he's just full of bull. Jackson also blamed this year's failures on Depodesta and said that Grits and Ned shouldn't be held accountable.

2006-07-24 21:45:16
321.   Bluebleeder87

we'd ask for Ned's head if that were to happen.

2006-07-24 21:45:30
322.   scareduck
If only defense weren't so badly underrated. I understand it's this year's OBP for the Moneyball crowd.
2006-07-24 21:45:52
323.   regfairfield
Ricky Ledee now has a .766 OPS.
2006-07-24 21:46:09
324.   StolenMonkey86
Scott Williamson! Will Grady be able to cope with the sight of him?
2006-07-24 21:47:05
325.   regfairfield
322 But I thought the A's only signed fat ex-catchers to play second base.
2006-07-24 21:47:08
326.   Steve
Tony Jackson is an idiot.
2006-07-24 21:47:27
327.   StolenMonkey86
311 - what are you smoking?

First of all, the Cubs have Barrett. Secondly, those two stay here.

2006-07-24 21:47:29
328.   natepurcell
I heard Tony Jackson interviewed today and he said that the Dodgers have soured on Guzman and LaRoche.

LaRoche? Huh?

2006-07-24 21:48:10
329.   scareduck
He was SO out.
2006-07-24 21:48:15
330.   Bluebleeder87
he was out.
2006-07-24 21:48:27
331.   StolenMonkey86
326 - just in general, or did something provoke that?
2006-07-24 21:48:41
332.   Andrew Shimmin
HA! He really was safe. Oh, I thought it was funny, but it's actually hilarious!
2006-07-24 21:48:44
333.   JoeyP
Kenny isnt taking well to being a pinch runner.
2006-07-24 21:49:38
334.   Steve
Tony Jackson is always an idiot, if that's what you're asking me. It's not like he goes home and becomes a non-idiot.
2006-07-24 21:49:42
335.   Bluebleeder87
Momentum dosn't wanna be on our side.
2006-07-24 21:49:44
336.   Andrew Shimmin
He should have been SO out, but the tag never connected.
2006-07-24 21:50:05
337.   StolenMonkey86
326- never mind, I missed 320
2006-07-24 21:50:17
338.   Jon Weisman
He started his slide so early, he barely reached the base.

By the way, Aybar was removed for a double-switch, pretty clearly. It was nothing personal - it was to allow Broxton to pitch longer. Obviously, Little didn't count on him allowing the blast.

2006-07-24 21:51:22
339.   StolenMonkey86
Ok. Lofton and Furcal get thrown out, but Izturis steals and Martin steals twice
2006-07-24 21:51:31
340.   Andrew Shimmin
Alright, maybe I'm wrong, but it sure didn't look like the tag was ever made. Vinny said he got the arm, but I didn't see it in either of the replay angles.
2006-07-24 21:51:37
341.   Bluebleeder87
out of Saito is in.
2006-07-24 21:51:42
342.   Steve
Delmon Young, by the way, is my secret weapon in the upcoming Maddux trade. We're going to blow Jim Hendry away!
2006-07-24 21:52:25
343.   StolenMonkey86
2006-07-24 21:52:31
344.   D4P
Jackson also blamed this year's failures on Depodesta and said that Grits and Ned shouldn't be held accountable.

No doubt Depo would have been given all the credit if the team had succeeded...

2006-07-24 21:52:42
345.   Bob Timmermann
If the Padres go ahead here and bring in Hoffman, Williamson could get a win by throwing one pitch and not retiring a batter.
2006-07-24 21:52:56
346.   Bluebleeder87
I love watching him pitch
2006-07-24 21:53:27
347.   MartinBillingsley31
Now lofton can't steal bases. LOL!

T-minus 7 days and counting until our prospects are safe.

T-minus 7 days and counting to rid the team of lofton and izturis. LOL!

2006-07-24 21:53:30
348.   Bob Timmermann
Did we ever determine the provenance of the Aybar acronyms?
2006-07-24 21:54:10
349.   Uncle Miltie
I love Saito. I really wish he wasn't 36.
2006-07-24 21:54:33
350.   Bob Timmermann

So much for Williamson's one pitch win.

It would have made me happy for some reason.

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2006-07-24 21:54:43
351.   MartinBillingsley31
2 times, saito your @$$ down. LOL!
2006-07-24 21:55:47
352.   Steve
There are pitchers who get Barfield, Bard, and Roberts out, and there is Derek Lowe.
2006-07-24 21:56:13
353.   JoeyP
If the Padres lose tonite, it will be their 4th loss when leading after 7innings since the All Star Break I believe.
2006-07-24 21:56:14
354.   StolenMonkey86
345 - ?
2006-07-24 21:56:15
355.   Bob Timmermann
Angels tied for first now as the A's lost to Boston.
2006-07-24 21:56:41
356.   Steve
328 -- By the way, on LaRoche, you would assume that if it's true, he's talking about the labrum, no?
2006-07-24 21:58:20
357.   Bluebleeder87
Why is Cruz Jr. in there. ugh.

come on Izzy.

2006-07-24 21:58:34
358.   Steve
Run through, you Tony Jackson!
2006-07-24 21:58:39
359.   scareduck
He shoulda run thru that.
2006-07-24 21:58:39
360.   regfairfield
328 Why on Earth would you devalue your own players in the media?
2006-07-24 21:59:06
361.   Jon Weisman
Watching Izturis run the bases is like watching Snuffleupagus dance.
2006-07-24 22:00:14
362.   fawnkyj
If they are down on Laroche, i wonder how true those rumors of Aramis are?
2006-07-24 22:00:48
363.   StolenMonkey86
2006-07-24 22:01:01
364.   Daniel Zappala
Did you have to check the spelling on that, Jon?
2006-07-24 22:01:38
365.   Daniel Zappala
363 Geez, I thought he hit a homerun or something.
2006-07-24 22:02:01
366.   JoeyP
It seems like Furcal either goes 0-5, or 4-5 most games. He's either a complete non factor in a game, or he's getting on every time.
2006-07-24 22:02:21
367.   MartinBillingsley31
If Ethier played a whole season and started pretty much everyday he would be on pace for 22 hr's in 580 at bats.
We might have a legit home run hitter on our hands, with a good obp to boot.
2006-07-24 22:03:19
368.   D4P
He's either a complete non factor in a game, or he's getting on every time.

Which, strangely enough, averages out to "non factor."

2006-07-24 22:03:20
369.   Steve
We're down on Guzman and LaRoche, but Vive Le Mark Hendrickson!
2006-07-24 22:04:06
370.   Jon Weisman
364 - Nope, I guessed :)
2006-07-24 22:04:25
371.   StolenMonkey86
going into extras. Nomar better come through, because we got Gio, Baez, and Odalis left in the pen
2006-07-24 22:05:16
372.   natepurcell
We might have a legit home run hitter on our hands, with a good obp to boot.

They don't make 3.5's in the homerun hitter models.

2006-07-24 22:06:09
373.   StolenMonkey86
but if it's someone else that does it, that's fine too
2006-07-24 22:06:15
374.   JoeyP
Dodgers should deal Saito.
You'd think there'd be a pretty good market for him.
2006-07-24 22:08:03
375.   Greg S
Dodgers have moved back into 4th in the league in runs scored and if they can somehow win on a 3 run HR, the will get into 3rd.
2006-07-24 22:08:30
376.   Andrew Shimmin
A big break for the White Sox! Blum is a World Series Hero, Vin.
2006-07-24 22:08:41
377.   natepurcell

Good point. Our 3.5 came from the Oakland factory; probably different specs then the 3.5 model from the LA factory.

2006-07-24 22:09:16
378.   Steve
368 -- How one can play as badly as Fur-kel has played in every facet of the game and be paid what he is paid and still be overrated is a real trick.
2006-07-24 22:09:57
379.   natepurcell

Hey Greg, Ive narrowed down my search to the taylor mades and the clevelands.

2006-07-24 22:11:44
380.   King of the Hobos
372 Isn't Marcus Thames essentially a home run hitting 3.5?
2006-07-24 22:12:06
381.   StolenMonkey86
2006-07-24 22:12:23
382.   Uncle Miltie
Now that's a slider. Win this one for Saito.
2006-07-24 22:12:25
383.   Bluebleeder87
were would we be with out Saito? wow.
2006-07-24 22:12:58
384.   Greg S
Hey Nate. Careful, think there are some golf haters in here who will have our computers if we talk about it now! But I think both are great choices. Let me know which makes the cut.
2006-07-24 22:13:34
385.   natepurcell

Different factory.

2006-07-24 22:13:53
386.   MartinBillingsley31
Whenever terrmel sledge bats i think of that music group sister sledge.
We are family.
That was the pittsburg pirates theme song when parker and stargell were around.
2006-07-24 22:14:52
387.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres are putting in right fielders of increasingly worse defensive abilities.
2006-07-24 22:15:11
388.   StolenMonkey86
JD Drew will not be the hero today.
2006-07-24 22:15:23
389.   Steve
You have to be kidding me, JD
2006-07-24 22:15:30
390.   Greg S
383 Where would we be with Gagne? Wow.
2006-07-24 22:15:59
391.   Uncle Miltie
Drew has turned into Garret Anderson
2006-07-24 22:17:17
392.   StolenMonkey86
2006-07-24 22:17:19
393.   Bob Timmermann

Can someone turn into Jon Garland so all the Kennedy High alums in the majors can be mentioned?

2006-07-24 22:17:27
394.   natepurcell
wow did you see that shift they put on Ethier? Barfield was in short right field.
2006-07-24 22:17:28
395.   Greg S
Is there some kind of Ethier shift going on?
2006-07-24 22:17:38
396.   StolenMonkey86
3.5 through the 3.5
2006-07-24 22:17:40
397.   Steve
If Ethier keeps hitting like this, we might get Doug Davis for him. Dare to dream.
2006-07-24 22:18:04
398.   Uncle Miltie
If you take away today's game and the 5-5 game and a few 3 hit games, Ethier would be hitting under .300.
2006-07-24 22:18:53
399.   Uncle Miltie
Old Maid can't hit RHP
2006-07-24 22:19:09
400.   StolenMonkey86
Martin through the 5.5

Did somebody say Olmedo?

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2006-07-24 22:19:37
401.   Bluebleeder87

He's the poster child for this bad streak.

2006-07-24 22:19:54
402.   StolenMonkey86
399 - he's got 5 hr this season on them
2006-07-24 22:20:07
403.   Bob Timmermann

So you wanted Toby Hall instead?

2006-07-24 22:20:26
404.   Steve
Saenz, you have to be kidding me.
2006-07-24 22:20:52
405.   natepurcell

For sure I'll let you know. Ebay has both brand new for significantly cheaper then store bought (200-250$ less). The models are the CG4 for the Clevelands and the r7 XD for the TM's. I went into Roger Dunn's today and did all the swing speed stuff. Iron speed was between 78-86mph or so. So thats definately steel. I forgot if he said stiff or regular flex. oh well.

2006-07-24 22:21:04
406.   MartinBillingsley31
Saenz was our last pinch hitter other than hall.
2006-07-24 22:21:45
407.   King of the Hobos
Let's hope the Dodgers' top of the 11th goes nicer than the 51s' top of the 11th. Alexander walked the first 2 batters on 9 pitches, then threw 4 straight strikes and all he got was an error to load the bases.
2006-07-24 22:22:04
408.   Bob Timmermann
If only Sandy, might Sandy, could have gotten a whack at bat. I'd have put up even money with Sandy at the bat.
2006-07-24 22:22:22
409.   StolenMonkey86
ok. I'm calling a walkoff solo shot by the 12th, which isn't much of a call, but I'm not certain who's gonna hit it yet
2006-07-24 22:22:41
410.   jujibee
379 - Taylor Made is a decent club, a great driver, but good irons. The great irons are made by titleist and mizuno. Try the blades from those 2 companies. They have a small sweet spot but when you connect the ball sure travels. They are also better for producing spin...something advanced players can do. I just try to hit the darn thing straight. All in all, it's more the golfer than the club.
2006-07-24 22:23:10
411.   MartinBillingsley31
Giovani "i pitch everyday" carrara-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra.
2006-07-24 22:23:18
412.   Uncle Miltie
I did not realize that we only had those 2 left on the bench.

Close your eyes, Gio's pitching.

2006-07-24 22:23:28
413.   Greg S
405 That would be regular. Make sure, that's important. Those are both great choices.
2006-07-24 22:24:00
414.   trainwreck
Doug Davis is the only good athlete to come from my high school, I believe.
2006-07-24 22:24:08
415.   King of the Hobos
407 Alexander just walked Jack Cust (his 5th walk of the night!), thus allowing a run, still no outs.
2006-07-24 22:24:51
416.   StolenMonkey86
412 - Gio can do it. But the Dodgers have to win it in the next 2 innings
2006-07-24 22:25:10
417.   trainwreck
Good athlete wasn't the right term...

Only guy to make it as a professional in one of the four large sports.

2006-07-24 22:25:12
418.   natepurcell

The great irons are made by titleist and mizuno.

I need something a little bit more forgiving. If i was better, then I would definately be upgrading to titleist or mizunos. Maybe in a couple of years.

2006-07-24 22:25:50
419.   Greg S
I bet you Grady in wanting to win a game is thinking "it may sound corny but just never give up on your dreams".
2006-07-24 22:25:56
420.   Steve
The Cuban Missile Crisis is over. They have been defueled. They are going back to the mainland.

Nate, I wish I could be as sanguine as you about the prospect of offering Baez arbitration. I recognize, basically, that it has to be done, and yet you will have to exercise great patience with me once it is.

2006-07-24 22:28:04
421.   King of the Hobos
Maybe Mark Alexander isn't quite ready for the majors. He's given up 4 runs without an out in the 11th inning so far (although he did get 2 outs in the 10th inning rather easily).
2006-07-24 22:28:20
422.   Bob Timmermann
Vin loves to say "Terrmel Sledge." Too bad the guy made a mistake to get mentioned that often.

And he's not even in the game anymore!

But it is a cool name.

2006-07-24 22:28:21
423.   natepurcell
I recognize, basically, that it has to be done, and yet you will have to exercise great patience with me once it is.

Don't worry, we wont have to wait long. The Giants love to sign average type A relievers before the deadline to offer abritration.

2006-07-24 22:28:25
424.   Bluebleeder87
well I like how Bochy argues better

1 point Bochy

0 points for Grady today.

2006-07-24 22:28:58
425.   Greg S
Remember how vinny always used to read lips? He doesn't do that so much anymore. I bet he decided it was some kind of invasion of privacy.
2006-07-24 22:29:29
426.   Bluebleeder87
but Tommy was the best, or was it Weaver?

I never saw Weaver (would have loved to though)

2006-07-24 22:30:15
427.   Steve
421 -- If you ask most major league GMs, it sounds like he'd fit in perfectly in the major leagues.
2006-07-24 22:30:56
428.   jujibee
I never had the opportunity. I bought a set of titelist irons with a Taylor Made R5 driver from a lady whom had just become a widow at a garage sell for 100 bucks. I think it's the deal of my lifetime. It looked like some of the clubs had been used twice at the most. Unfortunately, I haven't had the luxury of using a club that is more forgiving, but it's definatley a challenge, and a lot of time at the driving range with my clubs. I've only been golfing for a year or so, but my game has improved immensly. I had a great afternoon where I hit 1 over on a par 9, but that's as good as it's gotten for me.
2006-07-24 22:31:37
429.   Uncle Miltie
Lucille is an idiot.
2006-07-24 22:32:12
430.   StolenMonkey86
the defensive replacement didn't work
2006-07-24 22:32:30
431.   Steve
Get out of the way, Tony Jackson!

423 -- Your lips to God's ears, and actually, that makes a heck of a lot of sense.

2006-07-24 22:32:40
432.   StolenMonkey86
who's hurt?
2006-07-24 22:33:36
433.   King of the Hobos
427 Well, he did manage to get 3 straight outs with the bases loaded without giving up a run (although the pitcher grounded into a double play). So Alexander worked 1.2 innings, struck out 1, allowed 4 runs, walked 3, and hit a batter.
2006-07-24 22:33:48
434.   Bluebleeder87
2006-07-24 22:34:22
435.   trainwreck
Nate, can you give me some more suggestions for good bands? Or anyone else who listens to hard stuff.
2006-07-24 22:34:30
436.   Uncle Miltie
Better hand Lucille the starting job since Aybar is such a defensive liability.
2006-07-24 22:34:33
437.   Steve
433 - He's worth $4 million a year, minimum. Maybe more if he actually has two pitches.
2006-07-24 22:34:54
438.   natepurcell

What are you looking for exactly?

2006-07-24 22:35:18
439.   StolenMonkey86
gameday said injury delay after the popup. Was someone hurt, or did Gameday just recognize that it's painful to see someone double on a popup to 2nd?
2006-07-24 22:35:22
440.   Bluebleeder87
Hoffmann hasn't been that good lately.
2006-07-24 22:36:38
441.   StolenMonkey86
440 - no kidding
2006-07-24 22:37:11
442.   King of the Hobos
439 Nomar was hit by Barfield's slide and had to be checked by the trainer. I think he's fine though.
2006-07-24 22:37:24
443.   Greg S
439 Nomar was hobbling for a moment (runner might have spiked him) but he's apparently fine.
2006-07-24 22:37:27
444.   Jon Weisman
Garciaparra got spiked, I think, when Barfield slid in at second base.
2006-07-24 22:37:28
445.   tjshere
439 Nomah was covering second on the play and he banged up his knee. He stayed in the game.
2006-07-24 22:37:43
446.   Bob Timmermann
Garciaparra was checked on after Barfield's bloop double.

He's OK.

2006-07-24 22:37:55
447.   StolenMonkey86
now their catcher steals on us
2006-07-24 22:38:43
448.   Greg S
Why was nobody covering 2nd on that steal? Does that run just not matter at this point?
2006-07-24 22:38:53
449.   Benaiah
This is a bit off topic, but did anyone else notice that the cocktail waitress that Vince picks up in the latest Entourage is the same girl as the jewelry store clerk that gave E her number in episode where he breaks up with his girlfriend and hooks up with the perfect 10 model? Am I watching this show a little too much? Probably. Now back to the regularly scheduled loss in extra innings by the Dodgers.
2006-07-24 22:39:24
450.   trainwreck
Well I like Dillinger and I liked Old Man Gloom that you suggested to me. Really anything. I just need to get some new music.
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2006-07-24 22:39:24
451.   StolenMonkey86
442, 443, 444, 445, 446 - Thank you.
2006-07-24 22:39:34
452.   Steve
Again, there are pitchers who get Barfield, Bard, and Roberts out. And there are Derek Lowe and Gio Carrara.
2006-07-24 22:40:35
453.   Benaiah
By the way, what is he saving Baez for? How can we have both Carrera and Perez on the roster, you don't need two mop up men, that is like carrying a fourth catcher or something.
2006-07-24 22:40:47
454.   trainwreck
Anything with good muscianship or is different (in the Fantomas sense).
2006-07-24 22:40:49
455.   Greg S
White Flag warming up in the bullpen.
2006-07-24 22:40:50
456.   StolenMonkey86
Is it coming to an end?
2006-07-24 22:41:16
457.   the OZ
444 Didn't Barfield slide headfirst? That's what puzzled me on the replay.
2006-07-24 22:41:39
458.   StolenMonkey86
455 - which one?
2006-07-24 22:41:39
459.   MartinBillingsley31
Am i losing it or am i right that if we lose today we will be 1-11 in our last 12 games?
2006-07-24 22:42:22
460.   StolenMonkey86
swing and miss on 3-0 from Gio? This guy deserves to strike out!
2006-07-24 22:43:17
461.   trainwreck
Correct. Billingsley's first victory was our last one.
2006-07-24 22:43:27
462.   Bluebleeder87
can we pull another merical & tie it up again?
2006-07-24 22:44:15
463.   StolenMonkey86
"in play out(s) recorded" makes me feel a little better. Walkoff homer from the first guy up after someone gets on base
2006-07-24 22:44:19
464.   JoeyP
Hoffman has blown quite a few.
He's not the most reliable these days.
2006-07-24 22:44:48
465.   tjshere
462 How about a win? I need to go to bed.
2006-07-24 22:44:50
466.   Steve
Broxton really needs to go home tonight and seriously think about the possible Grabowskian career ramifications of giving up a home run to Mike Cameron.
2006-07-24 22:45:10
467.   StolenMonkey86
Gio actually fielded a ball. That's why he's higher on the peckin order than Odalis.
2006-07-24 22:45:15
468.   Uncle Miltie
452- there are 2nd baseman who play defense like Jeff Kent and Alfonso Soriano and then there is Ramon Martinez.
2006-07-24 22:45:51
469.   natepurcell
Well I like Dillinger and I liked Old Man Gloom that you suggested to me. Really anything. I just need to get some new music.

Some stuff ive been into lately

Russian circles (alot like Pelican)
Raise the Red Lantern
Plague Bringer (HEAVY, brutal breakdowns)
Shades of Dusk (melodic metal stuff)
Set Your Goals (Melodic Hardcore, bit poppy)
Misery Signals

also on Weds, Im seeing two awesome postrock bands down at the che cafe in San Diego, "This Will Destroy You" and "Sparowes Swarm and Sing". Both bands are like Explosions in the Sky/Mogwai type music. Check the out if you are into that stuff.

2006-07-24 22:46:54
470.   scareduck
Gameday says Unknown (0) scores in the last half frame.
2006-07-24 22:46:57
471.   Bluebleeder87

Yeah that be alot better.

2006-07-24 22:48:58
472.   trainwreck
Thanks, hopefully I can find a lot of this stuff.

Have you heard Dragonforce?

2006-07-24 22:49:27
473.   trainwreck
Thanks, hopefully I can find a lot of this stuff.

Have you heard Dragonforce?

2006-07-24 22:49:36
474.   the OZ
469 Holy cow, you're going to the Che Cafe? That place is a hippie commune full of derelicts, assuming it's the Che Cafe as is on the campus of UC San Diego.

If you get a chance, stop by Roberto's Taco Shop on Miramar Rd for some Carne Asada Fries. It's only about 2 miles east of the 805 freeway; maybe 5 miles east of the venue. It has a yellow sign.

2006-07-24 22:50:06
475.   StolenMonkey86
well so much for winning a game
2006-07-24 22:50:24
476.   regfairfield
472 The most manly band in the world that sings about fairies and wizards.
2006-07-24 22:50:26
477.   Uncle Miltie
I blame Lucille........and Tony Jackson.
2006-07-24 22:50:33
478.   Bluebleeder87
there's always tomorrow.

Good night.

2006-07-24 22:50:48
479.   Steve
Yeah, that whole Cruz, Izturis, Martinez thing probably wasn't going to get it done.

See you in the left-field bleachers tomorrow! I'm guessing things will be a little more well-behaved than usual.

2006-07-24 22:52:27
480.   Eric L
So when do the Dodgers officially become sellers?
2006-07-24 22:53:25
481.   JoeyP
I was watching this show called SoundStage on PBS the other nite, and they had Fountains of Wayne. I had only heard there Stacey's Mom song, but i heard some of their other stuff and it made believe they may be the wimpiest band on earth.

The lead singer looks like he's almost 40, buts its like he sings song from the perspective of a 7th grader. Real strange.

2006-07-24 22:54:22
482.   natepurcell
Have you heard Dragonforce?

Oh Hell yea. I LOVE power metal. And I'm not even one of those metal freaks that have hair down to their butt. Its something about signing about marching into battle on your stallion to fight the 5 headed dragon that makes it awesome.

blind guardian
demonds and wizards
3 inches of blood (sings about killing orcs)

all awesome power metal bands.

2006-07-24 22:54:28
483.   trainwreck
True. They are excellent musicians.
2006-07-24 22:54:55
484.   Eric L
481 The guys from Fountains of Wayne (or a guy) wrote the music for "That Thing You Do"
2006-07-24 22:55:30
485.   natepurcell

yep that Che. its a great DYI music venue. really cheap and alot of the bands i listen to play through there. And yea, veganism is pretty big there.

2006-07-24 22:55:54
486.   MartinBillingsley31
So when do the Dodgers officially become sellers?

In my opinion a long time ago.

But with ned/mccourt you never know.

Only 7 days left, if they were smart they'd sell some mediocre veterans.

2006-07-24 22:56:04
487.   trainwreck
3 Inches of Blood is the funniest by far! They got a fat singer and everything, it's great. Destroy all the orcs lol.
2006-07-24 22:56:33
488.   Benaiah
480 - Hopefully soon, I would love to get something back for Baez, Carrera (I mean he has a sub 3 ERA), maybe even Lowe, Kent or Saenz. It would be cool to get one extra series at the end of the year, but i would definately trade that for some parts that could help in the future.
2006-07-24 22:57:46
489.   Uncle Miltie
3 inches of blood (sings about killing orcs)
That made me laugh. I'll have to check them out. I really hope they don't take themselves seriously.
2006-07-24 22:57:57
490.   natepurcell
so who over Ethier for ROY?
2006-07-24 22:58:37
491.   Bob Timmermann
Prince Fielder for ROY!
2006-07-24 22:58:58
492.   Uncle Miltie
487- didn't see your post. So they are a humor/metal band?
2006-07-24 22:59:28
493.   Benaiah
490 - In the AL he wouldn't be close, but in the NL... maybe one of the Marlins?
2006-07-24 23:00:24
494.   King of the Hobos
490 Uggla has similar stats, plays a tougher position, and has about 140 more ABs.
2006-07-24 23:00:31
495.   natepurcell

Yea, its just good times music.

2006-07-24 23:01:13
496.   Eric L
482 I can't remember the band name, but a few years back some power metal band (very obscure) did a cool cover of "The Neverending Story" theme song. It was just about the greatest thing I have ever heard.
2006-07-24 23:03:26
497.   trainwreck
There is a band called the Advantage that just play Nintendo songs.
2006-07-24 23:03:45
498.   JoeyP
Josh Johnson for ROY (if he managed to pitch enough innings)
He leads the NL in ERA.
2006-07-24 23:03:55
499.   natepurcell
uggla: 299/358/503 344AB 14HR

ethier: 349/397/542 212AB 8hr

2006-07-24 23:06:34
500.   Eric L
497 I think there is another band called the NESters (or something like that) that does the same thing. They play some killer leads to go along with the SMB theme song.
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2006-07-24 23:06:35
501.   Steve
Russ Martin!
2006-07-24 23:06:53
502.   Benaiah
494 - If Ethier kept his average up and got to 15 HR, he might get some love from the traditional media. Especially if Fielder and Uggla don't get to 25 HR (a long shot, since Fielder already has 17). That said, I agree with KoH, Uggla should get it since he plays 2B.
2006-07-24 23:07:42
503.   King of the Hobos
499 Oops, I forgot Ethier hit 2 homers today. Before today they had very similar stats.
2006-07-24 23:07:57
504.   natepurcell

I saw the Advtange two years ago. They played with Pinback

2006-07-24 23:07:58
505.   trainwreck
Haha sweet.

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