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Toby Hall Meets Denise Huxtable
2006-08-06 20:10
by Jon Weisman

"Obviously, it's a different world here compared to where we came from."

- Toby Hall, speaking to Bill Plunkett of the Register. Whitley and Dwayne Wayne nod approvingly.

Comments (255)
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2006-08-06 20:33:38
1.   xaphor
The Dodgers' bullpen has allowed just four runs in 26 innings during the nine-game winning streak (an ERA of 1.39).

That tidbit from the same article strikes me as the biggest contributor to keeping this run alive.

2006-08-06 20:33:41
2.   Eric Enders
I love Jeff Kent's quote in the article.

"I don't know (how things turned around so drastically). This is an unpredictable game that wants to be predicted by the media."

2006-08-06 20:39:31
3.   bhsportsguy
And yet it was Marisa Tomei who turned out to be the big star from that show.

I remember when Kadeem Harrison was the big star who showed up at Clipper games (outside of the occasional Billy Crystal appearance)

2006-08-06 20:39:31
4.   Daniel Zappala
Continuing the previous thread, here's something to bring back good memories:

Remember who K-Rod was called up for as an injury replacement? Steve Green. He never pitched that year and was on the DL as of March 11th.

Here's additional background on the rule and circumstances, though I disagree with Neyer's take:

2006-08-06 20:48:37
5.   Benaiah
Not to be a doom and gloomer, but Andre Ethier worries me. He has been phenomenial this year, however he doesn't walk and it seems unlikely that he can keep up a .350 average. His line this year is a little too close to Jeff Francoeur's last year.
Ethier 2006 in 255 AB: 349/394/565
Francoeur 2005 in 257 AB:300/336/549
Ethier has a .413 BA/BIP versus Francoeur's .341. Ethier does have a higher LD%, 22.9 to 19.1, and I think he is a better hitter than free swinging Jeff, but it is worrisome nevertheless. I think Andre is a great hitter and I think he will be around for a long time, however, he needs to learn to take more walks because I doubt that he will hit 350 again in his career.
2006-08-06 20:48:58
6.   D4P
Was Lisa Bonet ever the same after "Angel Heart"...?
2006-08-06 20:58:18
7.   ToyCannon
The myth is that Ethier hits lefties as well as he hits righties. He never takes a walk against LHP, his avg is about the same but the slug% is almost 200 points below what he hits against RHP. His current hit rate is elevated at 40% so his batting average should drop as his hit rate normalizes the more he plays which makes the BA champion talk a moot point but all in all he is a nice package and we should be thankfull that he's manning LF for us instead of the A's. He does need to work on his plate patience but based on his GLF of 41/22/37 his power is for real.
2006-08-06 21:04:04
8.   Bob Timmermann
I go out for a walk and miss 30-40 minutes of roster loophole chat?


I hate it when arcane matters come and go without me getting a chance to chime in.

That's my thing. That's what makes me special. No I feel so... so ... not arcane.

2006-08-06 21:06:47
9.   Eric Enders
8 Obviously you should have had Ethier take your walk instead.
2006-08-06 21:08:48
10.   Bob Timmermann
Tonight's lesson: Never try to get any exercise

Yesterday's lesson: Make sure you put everything back inside before you zip up your pants after using the toilet

2006-08-06 21:09:04
11.   Gagne55
1 No, I think it's the line-up. Scoring plenty of runs and having starters go at least 6 will win a lot of games. The bullpen hasn't had too many games that were blowable in this streak. And I think starters have gotten 8 of the 9 wins? I know Hendrickson left tied against Washington...
2006-08-06 21:10:09
12.   Eric Enders
10 Ouch.
2006-08-06 21:11:20
13.   Eric Enders
11 Of course, today he left losing...
2006-08-06 21:11:24
14.   Gagne55
Not that the pen's improvements haven't helped, of course. The bullpen that was there opening day (which thankfully has
0 remaining members) would have blown a couple games.

10 Did you get your genitals caught in your zipper?

2006-08-06 21:11:44
15.   Bob Timmermann

Fortunately, the "There's Something About Mary" situation was avoided at the last second.

Umm, the opening part of the movie.

2006-08-06 21:14:41
16.   Gagne55
13 I had to count after church today, so I only saw the last two innings. Was the Road Warrior pinch hit for in the 7th? When he was hit for, was he trailing? Cause if he wasn't hit for, then he wasn't technically pulled until he was leading.
2006-08-06 21:14:41
17.   D4P
The later situation wasn't avoided...?
2006-08-06 21:16:37
18.   Benaiah
7- Even if Ethier's average went down to 300, which I think he can maintain, his Isoslugging is over .200 and his ISOpatience is around .050, so an .850 OPS is the baseline. As he develops as a hitter I think he could again reach mid .900s, I just hope that more of that is walks as well as power.
2006-08-06 21:17:22
19.   Bob Timmermann

Everything is in the right place. Unscathed.

I will leave out the details. The FAA would describe it as a close call however.

2006-08-06 21:19:12
20.   Greg S
19. The FAA would be involved? Wow, impressive.
2006-08-06 21:21:06
21.   Bob Timmermann
I left this in the old thread:

If we've already bought in to the concept that a baseball team can expand its roster by 60% for the last month of the season, what's the problem with what the Angels did with Frankie Rodriguez/Steve Green?

Since then somebody else has already brought up Steve Green.

Green got a save for Canada against the USA in the WBC.

2006-08-06 21:22:29
22.   Eric Enders
14 Actually, how many players, period, are left from the Opening Day roster?



Nine. Seems an awfully low number.

2006-08-06 21:23:32
23.   Eric Enders
20 That sound you hear? It's me, 2,000 miles away, doubled over with laughter.
2006-08-06 21:26:47
24.   Daniel Zappala
My lesson today was never to put your hand on the lid of a pot that you just took out of the oven, even if your brain is telling you that you have never put that pan in the oven before so there is no way it can be hot. It is amazing that it takes a full 1-2 seconds before your brain registers pain. I need fiber optic links in my body.

And I'm sorry Bob for asking that roster question when you were not here. I'll try to think of something else to help you feel special again tomorrow.

2006-08-06 21:27:53
25.   Jon Weisman
Does anyone think Andre Ethier will remain a .350 hitter? Does anyone think anyone will remain a .350 hitter?

I don't think it's doom and gloom to point that out when (very roughly) one out of a thousand big leaguers can put together that average for even one season.

2006-08-06 21:28:41
26.   Eric Enders
21 "Since then somebody else has already brought up Steve Green."

That would be Daniel, in post #4.

2006-08-06 21:29:57
27.   Bob Timmermann

It's OK.

I'm figuring that tomorrow I'll just do something less glamorous. Like sticking my arm inside a combine.

2006-08-06 21:31:52
28.   Jon Weisman
By the way, the people who keep asking why the Dodgers kept Ledee over Cruz need to ask it when a righty is on the mound for the other team.

If the team kept Cruz, they'd be overloaded with the wrong kind of hitter for most situations. Saenz, Repko, Cruz, Martinez and Hall on the bench - all righties or de facto righties.

When the Dodgers do go back to 11 pitchers, though, as I believe Eric suggested, Repko might be a good choice to send down for three weeks if Lugo will in fact be playing some center field. I'm also cool with Loney going down if Garciaparra is healthy - whenever that is.

2006-08-06 21:32:36
29.   Greg S
25 To me, the interesting questions is truly CAN he remain a .350 hitter as opposed to will he. He probably won't just because as you say, so few do. But is he good enough to be capable of doing it. I think those are two different questions. I think we need to watch him go through the league a couple of more times. But I'm starting to believe that maybe, just maybe, he is capable of being that good.
2006-08-06 21:33:49
30.   Daniel Zappala
Catfish Stew has a hilarious post up tonight. Must have been some trouble at the game.
2006-08-06 21:35:39
31.   das411
I think Ichiro! will remain a .350 hitter.

But then again every so often (like a couple weeks ago) I root for the Dodgers to lose too ;)

2006-08-06 21:36:05
32.   King of the Hobos
5 Ethier has a histoy of walking more than Francoeur. In the minors, Ethier walked 131 times in 1391 PAs (9.4% of the time), Francoeur had 88 walks in 1541 PAs (5.7%). Ethier also led the AFL in walks last year. If he ever goes into a slump, hopefully he can start walking again. Until then, there's not much of a need.
2006-08-06 21:36:37
33.   Greg S
22. That is a low number indeed. I never would have guessed that without giving it thought. I guess I would be saddened by it but for the fact that so many of the replacements are guys from inside. How many of the guys on the roster where in camp at Vero? Probably a healthy percentage.
2006-08-06 21:37:29
34.   Eric Enders
29 Even Ted Williams did not remain a .350 hitter.

The last person to end his career at .350 or better was Rogers Hornsby, who played his last full season in 1929.

2006-08-06 21:37:45
35.   scooplew
I'm delighted with what Ethier has accomplished. I knew little about him when the Dodgers got him for Bradley. As far as hitting .350, only one Dodger -- Piazza at .362 in 1997 -- has ever done that for a season in L.A. There have been only two other .340 years -- Piazza at .346 in 1995 and Tommy Davis at .346 in 1962. Did any of us expect Ethier to be so good so quickly? I certainly did not.
2006-08-06 21:39:52
36.   Jon Weisman
6 - Were any of us?

Anyway, the only time I've seen her since our sixth-grade graduation was on Main Street in Santa Monica, about six years ago, and she remembered me, so I'm giving her points for that.

2006-08-06 21:41:04
37.   Jon Weisman
34 - How many different ballplayers have hit .350 for a season since 1941?
2006-08-06 21:41:09
38.   Greg S
29. True. And now he's dead; talk about regression to the mean! But I guess I was looking at whether Ethier's capable of doing it for a full season or even close to it. I suppose he's getting close to answering that question already.
2006-08-06 21:41:13
39.   D4P
vs. righty:

Cruz .199/.324/.321/.645
Ledee .240/.269/.400/.669

vs lefty:

Cruz .313/.420/.522/.942
Ledee only 2 ABs this year

Seems to me that the amount you gain by having Ledee around to face righties is a lot less than the amount you lose by not having Cruz around to face lefties. Plus, I think Cruz' defense is better.

Like I've said before, Cruz should have at least platooned with Lofton. He's much better vs lefties, and is better on defense period.

2006-08-06 21:42:30
40.   Greg S
Whoops, I was responding to 34.
2006-08-06 21:42:58
41.   Eric Enders
37 Alas, the top 100 list only goes down to .378, so it would take someone who knows how to manipulate the Lahman database to answer that question. And I can do that about as well as I can hit Penny's fastball.
2006-08-06 21:43:13
42.   Jon Weisman
37 - Larry Walker, Ted Williams, Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn, George Brett ... who else?
2006-08-06 21:44:07
43.   Greg S
42 Wade Boggs
2006-08-06 21:44:44
44.   Jon Weisman
39 - You're not factoring in the pitcher's platoon split.

My point is not that Ledee is so great. My point is that against right-naded pitchers, the Dodgers would be really short of lefty options.

2006-08-06 21:46:11
45.   Jon Weisman
44, cont - whereas in contrast, the Dodgers are stacked with options against lefty pitchers (especially when Kent/Nomar return), so Cruz becomes somewhat redundant.
2006-08-06 21:47:47
46.   Andrew Shimmin
The David Wright extension through 2011, right? Six years, starting next year?
2006-08-06 21:49:07
47.   Eric Enders
37 But going off a list of batting title winners....

D Walker
E Martinez

So that's 30 guys in the last 65 years, plus the odd second or third place finisher.

2006-08-06 21:53:35
48.   Jon Weisman
I don't expect Ethier to stay with that crowd.
2006-08-06 21:53:39
49.   Bob Timmermann
It's Salute to Ralph Garr Day at Dodger Thoughts.
2006-08-06 21:54:00
50.   Eric Enders
meep meep!
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2006-08-06 21:54:43
51.   D4P
Is Ralph any relation to Teri, of "Good and Evil" fame...?
2006-08-06 21:55:09
52.   Eric Enders
When's Salute to Teri Garr day?
2006-08-06 21:56:22
53.   Eric Enders
You know it's time to quit when you're not even the first to chime in with a Teri Garr reference.
2006-08-06 21:56:26
54.   natepurcell
I cant believe so many people are paranoid about Ethier and his lack of walks. Do we keep forgetting that Andre is a rookie? The walks will come. When the batting average regresses, the ISOd will increase. Loney is a good example of that this year. Laroche last year. These players have a good approach and good contact skills with a history of good plate discipline. No need to get all worried now.

I personally just think its because we haven't had a kickass rookie positional player in a while and everyone here is like, "I don't believe it. I can't believe it. Nope...its not happening."

2006-08-06 21:56:38
55.   Jon Weisman
I believe I've mentioned Ralph Garr before in the context of Ethan Allen's All-Star Baseball. One of the biggest 4 spots on a player's circle card that I've ever seen, if I'm remembering correctly.

A salute to either is fine by me.

2006-08-06 21:59:31
56.   Jon Weisman
54 - "I cant believe so many people are paranoid about Ethier and his lack of walks. "

Who are these people you're talking about? The worst thing that's been said here tonight, besides the one guy who mentioned Ethier in the same sentence with Francoeur but then said Ethier is better, is that Ethier won't keep his batting average above .350.

2006-08-06 21:59:53
57.   D4P
Was that the game where players (like you said) had a pie-chart like card, with various outcomes on it and various widths for each outcome and you'd put the card under the spinner then spin the spinner and the arrow would end up on one of the outcomes? I had a game like that, but I don't remember Ralph Garr...
2006-08-06 22:00:22
58.   natepurcell
what does everyone think of David Wrights new deal? 6yrs, 55million.
2006-08-06 22:00:50
59.   Jon Weisman
53 - If the Teri Garr reference is to "Good & Evil," I don't think that qualifies.
2006-08-06 22:01:13
60.   Greg S
55 Jon, I can't believe you brought that up. With all of this Garr talk today, that's all I could think about. He was aways the number two hitter on my team. That's the game with the spinner? Mine had a backdrop of Wrigley Field. I played that game for a thousand hours when I was a kid!
2006-08-06 22:01:22
61.   Jon Weisman
57 Yes.
2006-08-06 22:01:51
62.   Eric Enders
54 "Do we keep forgetting that Andre is a rookie? The walks will come."

Unfortunately, throughout baseball history, this has proven not to be true. If Ethier hasn't learned to walk by now, the odds are very strong that he never will. The odd Sammy Sosa excepted. He may increase his walk rate a little bit, but for the most part what we see is what we're going to get.

Which is OK; Ethier's still a fine player the way he is. But I wouldn't go expecting him to learn to draw walks because chances are you'll be disappointed.

2006-08-06 22:01:52
63.   natepurcell
The worst thing that's been said here tonight, besides the one guy who mentioned Ethier in the same sentence with Francoeur

when talking about walks, being mentioned in the same sentence with Francoeur isn'tt paranoia!?!?

2006-08-06 22:03:36
64.   Greg S
58. My first reaction was that it was insane. Not sure I have a second reaction. If I were an owner I'd be mad as Hades (actually I'd be rich and happy as a clam). Why give a guy with 2 years on the clock $55M??
2006-08-06 22:04:04
65.   natepurcell

I wasn't expecting him to become Nick Johnson like with thw walks, but reasonable settle in the 10% of his PAs annually is something I would expect and that is right around solid discipline.

2006-08-06 22:04:16
66.   Bob Timmermann

Yes, that game requires:
1) a game board with the spinners on it
2) a parent nearby to ajudicate any time it seems that the spinner landed on a line

Steve had a game when he was young and he burned the A-E and F-J disks.

2006-08-06 22:05:43
67.   natepurcell
Why give a guy with 2 years on the clock $55M??

well, you buyout his first 2 free agency years. And you lock him up through his age 28 season. I mean, in my opinion, if there was anyone to give a 6 yr deal to in baseball right now, its probably David Wright.

2006-08-06 22:08:38
68.   Jon Weisman
63 - One guy said that. One guy!
2006-08-06 22:09:23
69.   Greg S
67. Right, but I don't think you give that deal to anybody. Just like you don't give 7 year contracts to anybody. The possibility of saving some dough on his walk years just doesn't seem like it can justfy the risk that he breaks his leg tomorrow (or anytime in the next two years) and you owe him $55M for nothing.
2006-08-06 22:10:59
70.   Eric Enders
I have no idea what game you old people are talking about. ;)

But I will give some props to the baseball game of my childhood, Starting Lineup Talking Baseball, which came out in, I believe 1988, that year of years. Now that I look back on it, it was probably a pretty stupid game because instead of teaching you math, it just let you push a button to make your moves. But it did come with a cool plastic replica stadium.

As an adult I learned Strat-O-Matic, which I still play, mostly during the winter. I replayed the 1988 playoffs with a buddy of mine recently and you all will be happy to know that the Dodgers still win.

2006-08-06 22:11:28
71.   D4P
Did anyone have the baseball game that was kind of like a pinabll game in that there was a ball (it wasn't really round, if I remember right) that the pitcher pitched (with a rubber band or something) and the bat was kind of like a flipper? I can't remember much about it, but I had one...
2006-08-06 22:15:29
72.   Sub4Era
Side Note... Perez's line for KC tonight


5.0 9 5 5 2 1

Looks like some things dont change...

2006-08-06 22:17:18
73.   Uncle Miltie
nate- have you gotten into Eller yet? Also what are your grades in college so far?

If you don't want to post it here e-mail

oaklachi (at)

2006-08-06 22:19:40
74.   Greg S
And Nate... just got back from Tucson. Cooling down and the golfing is good! When do you go back to school?
2006-08-06 22:20:25
75.   natepurcell

not yet. I apply this semester (i kinda forgot to take a class first semester freshmen year). So far in college, I have a 3.4 or so. So basically, I'm not really worried about getting in. My buddy got in last semester with the minimum (2.7 maybe?) so I don't really know what to make of their admission standards even though they do say its very competitive.

2006-08-06 22:23:44
76.   natepurcell
63 - One guy said that. One guy!

Yes true. And I probably overreacted. But I think that rant was more of a build up rant to the skepticism i've been hearing over the course of the year on how Ethier cant keep up his level of play. I apologized if it came on to strong. Ive been backing 3.5 since the trade and I ain't gunna stop now.

2006-08-06 22:24:37
77.   natepurcell

My housemate is over there now and he said its been monsooning like crazy! anyways though, i actually go back in 10 days on the 16th. I am really looking forward to the 8 hour drive yay!!

2006-08-06 22:29:49
78.   Greg S
77 Hey, seriously, if you are wanting to go to B-school, I've got someone you should talk to. He's the best GMAT prep guy on the planet and consults MBA applicants. If you have any questions or need any help, let me know and I'll hook you up! He teaches a class in OC and I'm sure he'd let you sit in. (he's also a golfer!)
2006-08-06 22:29:57
79.   Uncle Miltie
75- right now I have a 3.0, but only a 2.5 in my pre-business classes. The 3.0 should go up, but I'm worried about my pre-business GPA. I don't really want to end up at Chico or New Mexico :(

By the way, I leave for college on the 17th. Can't wait.

2006-08-06 22:33:15
80.   Bob Timmermann
I object to the use of "monsoon" as a verb.
2006-08-06 22:35:24
81.   natepurcell

I object to your objection.

2006-08-06 22:35:58
82.   natepurcell

when are you thinking of transferring?

2006-08-06 22:42:32
83.   popup
#71, there is a pinball type baseball game made by old century baseball. I have seen it, but never really tried it. Looks cool though, made out of wood, and decidedly low tech. It is my kind of gadget

Stan from Tacoma

2006-08-06 22:44:26
84.   popup
80 and 81, are either of you lawyers?

Stan from Tacoma

2006-08-06 22:46:00
85.   Greg S
84. Objection. Irrelevant.
2006-08-06 22:46:50
86.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not a lawyer, but I helped two friends study for the bar exam.

I know the definition of felony murder in California. And how to use adverse possession to take title to property.

2006-08-06 22:48:13
87.   Uncle Miltie
82- fall 2007. I've already completed a lot of my pre-business classes and I think schools look more at your pre-business GPA more than your overall GPA -- that's what I've been told. Oregon may be my top choice, but I'd go pretty much anywhere I get in. I can already get into ASU (only need a 2.5 GPA for guaranteed admission lol), but their business program is tough to get into.
2006-08-06 22:52:00
88.   popup
Jon, better watch out for #86.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-08-06 22:59:04
89.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not planning on felony murder or using adverse possession. The latter takes way too long to prove in court and all you usually end up with is having to pay to upkeep a fence.
2006-08-06 23:00:28
90.   Xeifrank
Four home games against the Rockies starting tomorrow. Looks like the beard is going to grow a little longer this week. Anyone else on the "no shave" until the Dodgers lose bandwagon? vr, Xei
2006-08-06 23:04:13
91.   popup
Bob, just having a bit of fun at your expense. I can't say I had you pegged as a felon and the adverse possession thing makes no sense; I would rather have a griddle than a toaster any day.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-08-06 23:04:47
92.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
86 - I ain't passed the bar but I know a little bit.
Enough that I won't draw Jon's ire by quoting Jay-Z on his site.
2006-08-06 23:06:44
93.   popup
#90, hope you look like Santa on Halloween.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-08-06 23:18:33
94.   Eric Enders
90 I haven't shaved since the Dodgers last lost.

Heck, I haven't shaved since the season started, excepting the odd beard trim here and there.

2006-08-06 23:20:09
95.   Greg Brock
90 I'm on the "no shave" superstition as well. Thankfully, teachers have summers off, because:

A) Beards do not improve my already marginal looks
B)I spend roughly six hours a day scratching my face
C) Between the food, beer, oversleeping, and facial hair, I'm looking more and more like Jim Morrison, pre-death, post-moving to Paris.

Not good.

2006-08-06 23:20:34
96.   Xeifrank
94. Good. We need even more charma to keep the streak alive. More DT members need to take the plunge. No shaving until the Dodgers lose. I think we can make exceptions for the lady viewers. vr, Xei
2006-08-06 23:26:15
97.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
[95-C] - That image is like a ghost crowding my fragile eggshell mind.
2006-08-06 23:27:28
98.   Greg Brock
97 Indians scattered on highway bleeding.
2006-08-06 23:29:07
99.   Eric Enders
98 Did they let Sauerbeck drive again?
2006-08-06 23:31:20
100.   Greg Brock
99 Wow. At least you you didn't go the Tim Crews route. That would have been really bad. Of course, I just did, so there you go.
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2006-08-06 23:34:33
101.   Benaiah
As the one guy who compared Ethier to Francoeur I just want to say that I don't think Ethier's value is as overhyped as Jeff's or even that they have all that much in common. I think you are right when you say that I can't believe we have such a great young player so I am looking for a reason why he isn't as great as he looks. Don't misunderstand, I love Andre and I hope that he grows into what he looks like he is now... a home grown all-star that we have under control for 6 more years. I just want to see him walk more.
2006-08-06 23:36:55
102.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
100 - Not long after that tragedy, I was in a fantasy league in which someone named their team the Little Lake Nellie Dockbangers.
Then again, I live in Phoenix and my office softball team is seriously considering the name Baseline Killers.
2006-08-06 23:39:06
103.   King of the Hobos
I haven't shaved since the Dodgers started the streak, but it's mostly because I have no facial hair. But I'll gladly join the bandwagon if it helps.
2006-08-06 23:43:27
104.   Bob Timmermann
I have to shave or else I grow a beard that looks like Shaggy's.
2006-08-06 23:43:58
105.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
104 - Ruh oh!
2006-08-06 23:44:18
106.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
104 - Or, Zoinks!
2006-08-06 23:48:00
107.   Greg Brock
102 I'd love to tell you the names of my various one-pitch softball teams. Unfortunately, most of them would force the benevolent dictator to ban Greg Brock.

Think "planned parenthood", "Tailhook", and "Clarence Thomas". That's about as specific as I can get. I never picked the names, but Good Lord, were they creative.

2006-08-06 23:55:15
108.   Greg Brock
Of course, we played against a team called "Lou Gehrigh Deserved It", so I don't feel so horrible.
2006-08-07 03:06:07
109.   Felton
I think the real point with Andre Ethier is that his production is driven by batting average. This tends to be volatile at times, much to the good right now. I wonder if one of his comparables will be Garrett Anderson by next spring, which would be better than Rowland Office, Michael Ryan and Doug Clark (BP 2006) of Jeff Francouer.
2006-08-07 08:05:56
110.   Paul Scott
Without adjusting for park effects (playing 81 games in DS and 30% of the remaining 81 in the NL West will reduce your offensive numbers), it is not all that hard to adjust Ethier's "luck" away.

Assume his LD% rate is stable(ish) - since we don't have LD% numbers from the minors, it's all we have to go on for now. Assume the same for his FB% and HR/FB% rate - again - nothing from the minors to correct it.

Assume that his true IsoD is somewhere between this year's .45 and his minor league .70.

Adjusting back, this year instead of having a .350/.395/.565 he should have .308/.364/.495.

I can't find much wrong with that and I am someone who believes the trade was a bad one for the Dodgers. His age is such that his power and patience (particularly power) will continue to improve and the only stats in decline should be speed - which should also improve his game since he might stop trying to steal so much.

2006-08-07 08:10:16
111.   DXMachina
All-Star Baseball was a great game. When we were kids, a set was about $3, so two or three of us would pool our money, then draft from the players we got.

I played mine well into adulthood, until I finally got a Strat set. Now I'm in a perpetual search for the perfect computer baseball game (i.e., that perfect combination of stats and graphics). With MLB handing exclusive rights over to the console game makers, things have been grim lately.

When the spinner landed on the line, we just called it a foul ball, and spun again.

2006-08-07 08:23:23
112.   Bob Timmermann
My brothers and I did not argue much.

Unless there was a "liner" as it was known in our house.

What about the K-O spins? Those didn't have lines delineating their borders!

2006-08-07 08:25:59
113.   Jon Weisman
"When the spinner landed on the line, we just called it a foul ball, and spun again."

Us too.

I never needed anything more than Strat.

2006-08-07 08:26:26
114.   Marty
Ya gotta love a thread that starts out with a discussion of Bob's package. All I can say is franks and beans, franks and beans. I missed out because I was at Ruth's Chris enjoying a ribeye for a friend's birthday.

I'm way too old for the baseball board games everyone talks about. But I did have both "Electric Baseball" and"Electric Football". The "electricity" was really just making the metal field vibrate so the plastic players would move. The baseball game had some weird, only vaguely remembered way to determine a hit, then you'd flip on the board and try to make the players run the bases. It was really lame.

The football game worked similar. It had an electric field that vibrated. You'd line up both formations and turn on the board. 99% of the time the little players would go off in random directions not in the least resembling a football play. Occasionally, it would actually work where the lineman would open a hole and the running back would actually move forward for a gain. You could also make the quarterback "pass" this little foam rubber football. If it hit one of your receivers it would be a completion. There was zero percent chance that would ever happen so you quickly gave up the passing game.

It was really lame too, but it was funny for about 5 minutes watching the players scatter all over the field.

2006-08-07 08:33:06
115.   D4P
I had the "electric" football game too. Could they have made it any louder...?
2006-08-07 08:36:57
116.   Marty
That's right, it was incredibly loud. Now I can remember my mother complaining about it.
2006-08-07 08:40:39
117.   JoeyP
I saw Fever Pitch last nite.
Very underwhelming.
Its like the directors had a perfect opportunity to make a memorable flick (considering the Red Sox WS title in 2004), but it was just way too bland. You could really tell that the Red Sox winning, actually forced the re-write bc the last 15 minutes of the movie just come out of nowhere and speed on by. Its like the fast forward button was hit.
I was disappointed.

I also watched Murderball and Waiting this past weekend. They were both very good. Murderball, I'd put in my top 5 all time movies. It was a gripping documentary, on par with Hoop Dreams IMO.


2006-08-07 08:42:46
118.   regfairfield
111 Sadly, Sony sports has an exclusive MLB license, so I don't think we'll be seeing any good baseball games any time soon.

Heck, I'd be happy if someone made a game where your pitchers wouldn't finish the season with zero walks. The High Heat series was the only baseball game I ever played where you could actually walk people unintentionally.

With that, I end up turning to the text based sims, but even those have problems. Out Of The Park implements the rules of the game better than any sim I've seen, but it doesn't have actual players, so you have to find someone who has punched in all the stats by hand. This is good, but they tend to leave out details like when the player started, so I ended up losing my entire farm system to the Rule V Draft. The AI is also brain dead when it comes to contracts, making it impossible to land any big free agents. I ended up offering Lance Berkman a eight year, 150 million dollar deal out of shear desperation, only to get no where close to the 190 million dollar contract he ended up signing for. There's no real control over contracts, so you can't offer options or backload deals. Finally, there's some rules issues. For example, there's no waivers, so you can move guys off the 40 man roster with no penalty.

Baseball Mogul is still way off from what I've seen. Incomplete farm systems, no 40 man roster, and I'm sure there's some other things I'm missing (I just picked it up yesterday.)

It shouldn't be that hard to get the transaction rules correct, but I've yet to see any game implement something as simple as waivers correctly.

2006-08-07 08:44:11
119.   DXMachina
It was really lame too, but it was funny for about 5 minutes watching the players scatter all over the field.

My best friend had one, and that was exactly what we thought. Then we went back to our disks and spinners.

2006-08-07 08:52:38
120.   DXMachina
118 I know what you mean. High Heat (circa 2002) is about the best I've come across in comnbining stats and graphics, but it doesn't play well with Windows XP. I may have to set up an old Win 98 machine to get my fix.
2006-08-07 09:22:37
121.   Suffering Bruin
Heck, I'd be happy if someone made a game where your pitchers wouldn't finish the season with zero walks. The High Heat series was the only baseball game I ever played where you could actually walk people unintentionally.

This needs to be tattooed on every forehead of every person involved in making a computerized baseball game.

2006-08-07 09:32:55
122.   tjshere
114 Yeah, I had that football game too, except my ball was a little semi-football-shaped magnet. Both the running and passing games stunk, but the kicker could boot a field goal from about 1,000 yards out if need be.
2006-08-07 10:00:46
123.   Sam DC
D'backs claimed and then traded for Livan.

"The Washington Nationals today acquired a pair of 23 year-old starting pitchers, righthander Garrett Mock and lefthander Matt Chico, from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for right-handed pitcher Livan Hernandez. Nationals Vice President and General Manager Jim Bowden made the announcement."

This from a press release by the Nationals received by one of the Nats bloggers in his email. No link yet.

2006-08-07 10:11:59
124.   Sam DC
Press Release:

Livan had an awful first few month of the season, but has been much better over July. He was dealing yesterday v. the Padres. He's under contract next year too for around $7 mill.

2006-08-07 10:14:49
125.   Eric Enders
Here's a link to the press release. Not sure if this requires a password or not but you can try it and find out:

2006-08-07 10:28:26
126.   Eric Enders
From BA transactions list:

Los Angeles Dodgers
Placed C Kengshill Pujols on restricted list

Anybody know the deal?

2006-08-07 10:28:41
127.   King of the Hobos
Krivsky has reportedly acquired Ryan Franklin. I know the Reds need middle relief, and acquiring every healthy middle reliever figures to help, but Ryan Franklin?
2006-08-07 10:29:12
128.   King of the Hobos
126 Steroid suspension.
2006-08-07 10:30:08
129.   Andrew Shimmin
126- He tested positive for PEDs the other day.
2006-08-07 10:34:27
130.   Sam DC
129 So, you can only wear full-length athletic socks, not peds, in the bigs?
2006-08-07 10:34:58
131.   Steve
127 -- Adam Dunn in Philly will be a monster.
2006-08-07 10:37:38
132.   apsio
To the gentleman applying to business school. Having done so twice (once when I was a wet-behind-the-ears 20 year old), it is a fairly simple process of making sure your grades are in their average band (figure an SD of 0.3 from their average admit GPA) and similarly for your GMAT. Your business related undergraduate coursework should obviously be above your other courses (shows interest in the material).

The most important factor if your grades aren't super is work experience. Or anything that passes for work experience. Depending on your age, this might an internship, job, whatever. The important thing in writing your resume/personal statement is to note and focus on the leadership, managerial, and business related tasks you did while there. I don't care if you were a life guard at a summer day camp, list the schedules you had to make, the logs you had to write, etc. Just phrase them properly.

Not having read any previous posts about you, one suggestion is to examine what you want to get out of the program. There is a HUGE variation in both coursework, focus, and opportunities at each school. I turned down admits at Anderson and Sloan because they didn't (and still don't!) have what I was looking for. I'm applying for a couple PhD programs this year so can feel your pain. Also going through a bunch of screening processes for jobs within government, so I'm slowly becoming an expert on writing in 'application lingo.'

Sorry for the long post...

2006-08-07 10:38:08
133.   Sam DC
Of some interest on the Livan thing, the Nationals had recently hired AZ scouting director Mike Rizzo.
2006-08-07 10:39:25
134.   D4P
Ned has met his match
2006-08-07 10:53:32
135.   the OZ
132 I'm curious what Anderson and Sloan don't offer that you could find in a PhD program? Obviously, it depends on what you want to do when you're finished with school, I suppose.

Please forgive me if I'm prying; I'll finish my MBA at Anderson next spring so I'm somewhat interested in helping others through the process of selecting and applying to different business programs.

So, the next seven games are against the Rockies and Giants? What are the odds that the winning streak extends to 16?

2006-08-07 10:57:21
136.   underdog
127 "and acquiring every healthy middle reliever figures to help,"

Sounds like that may soon be what the Reds are doing - literally acquiring every middle reliever. Is no middle reliever safe from Krivsky? It's midnight, do you know where your middle reliever is?

2006-08-07 11:00:48
137.   the OZ
136 It's midnight, do you know where your middle reliever is?

Hopefully, on an eastbound plane to Cincinnati with Aaron Harang coming back west.

2006-08-07 11:02:53
138.   D4P
But more likely on a westbound plane to LA with LaRoche going to Tampa Bay.
2006-08-07 11:07:25
139.   apsio

I decided that business school in general, the best ones included, don't offer what I want/need for my future career. Not at all a knock on the programs to be certain.

Currently finishing my Master's degree (not an MBA) at another school. The PhD programs I'm looking at are highly focussed in the field I'm in right now, and there are some research ideas I'm really keen on doing. Whether I do so at a PhD program or under employ is still up in the air; mainly dependent on if my current job can shift to a new locale, if my clearances come through before I need to decide about more schooling, etc.

Anderson was my first choice had I gone the MBA route btw.

And as to the Dodger's extending the streak to 16, simple odds say a .500 team will have less than 1% (0.0078) chance of winning seven games in a row. Of course matchups play a huge role, and in such a limited number of observations there is not a way of reasonably predicting the outcome. If I could, I'd do a sweet parlay!

2006-08-07 11:15:40
140.   Xeifrank
135. 16 in a row, wouldn't that be sweet. The shaving cream market would probably crumble though. vr, Xei
2006-08-07 11:17:37
141.   Xeifrank
139. If only baseball games were a simple coin toss. vr, Xei
2006-08-07 11:19:18
142.   xaphor
[118] Have you tried PureSim Baseball? It uses the Lahman database for accurate stats and rosters bypassing the MLB license. They just released '07 which I have yet to touch, but '06 was my baseball sim of choice and I would recommend checking out the series.

2006-08-07 11:22:05
143.   Gen3Blue
138 not funny:o)
2006-08-07 11:29:40
144.   Blu2
Perhaps some of us should give up bathing to nurture the winning streak...
Arizona has forced Ned's hand; He can't allow anyone else to get TV/Microphone time without responding. Definitely a trade in the works. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the crappiest pitcher of them all?
2006-08-07 11:35:03
145.   Fallout
109 Felton

How about comparing Ethier to Milton Bradley's 2003 season?

2006-08-07 11:35:04
146.   Robert Daeley
Hey, does anyone happen to know the status of Derek Thompson? I know he went down for Tommy John surgery last year, but he isn't on the Dodger DL, nor on any of their rosters that I can find.

The latest info I can find is from an story back in March saying that he was nearing his return.

2006-08-07 11:35:16
147.   the OZ
144 Jeff Weaver.

139 I ran a binomial distribution function that assumes the Dodgers win probablility at home is 0.564 and the opponents' winning percentage on the road is equal to 1-0.564 (in reality it's not exact, but still pretty close).

Here are the non-cumulative odds of the Dodgers winning zero through seven of their next seven games:

7 1.81%
6 9.79%
5 22.75%
4 29.35%
3 22.72%
2 10.56%
1 2.72%
0 0.30%

2006-08-07 11:36:43
148.   the OZ
146 Check the Dodgers' house blog. Jon has a link on the sidebar ("Inside the Dodgers").

Basically, Thompson's not doing particularly well and hasn't thrown yet.

2006-08-07 11:42:54
149.   bhsportsguy
I don't really see any more moves, as far as adding a player that is not on the 40 man roster.

Certainly, its possible that Ricky Ledee could be dealt or Ramon Martinez to a team that wants some additional bench strength.

But as far as a major move, with waivers and the fact that they already are facing some tough roster decisions later this week, it would just seem unlikely that they would be the ones acquiring anyone for their roster.

Probable roster on Friday August 11th.

SP Brad Penny
SP Derek Lowe
SP Greg Maddux
SP Chad Billingsley
SP Mark Hendrickson
RP Aaron Sele/Gio Carrera (hopefully one clears waivers, so he could sent down to AAA, until September 1)
RP Elmer Dessens (if he goes on DL, they can delay above question until later this month)
RP Joe Beimel
RP Brett Tomko
RP Jonathan Broxton
RP Takeshi Saito

C Russ Martin
C Toby Hall

IF Nomar Garciaparra
IF Jeff Kent
IF Rafael Furcal
IF Wilson Betemit
IF Ramon Martinez
IF Olmedo Saenz
IF Julio Lugo

OF J.D. Drew
OF Kenny Lofton
OF Andre Ethier
OF Jason Repko
OF Ricky Ledee

2006-08-07 11:44:48
150.   Steve
It is completely absurd that Russ Ortiz is pitching. The disrespect to the game is embarrassing.
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2006-08-07 11:46:02
151.   King of the Hobos
We actually discussed Thompson the other day and determined he had been placed on the suspended list due to some charges from last year (DUI and trespassing if I remember correctly). Rawitch's update isn't very reassuring either, so he may be done as a Dodger.
2006-08-07 11:51:15
152.   bhsportsguy
149 Only 10 players on that active roster were on the the field when the opened the season back on April 3rd. 2 of the 15 players were on the DL (Lofton and Garciaparra), 7 were in AAA (Billingsley, Sele, Beimel, Broxton, Saito, Martin and Ethier), 1 was a Minor League Free Agent (Carrera), 5 were acquired by trades (Maddux, Hendrickson, Hall, Betemit and Lugo)
2006-08-07 11:51:40
153.   Uncle Miltie
132- I'm not looking to go to graduate school (at least not in the near future). I'm going to transfer schools (I just completed my freshman year of college). I want to get my bachelor's degree and start working right away. I can always go back to school later.
2006-08-07 11:52:11
154.   underdog
To think that the Orioles could have had Ervin Santana and another young player from the Angels (if I were them I would have tried for Santana and someone better than Erick Aybar, not that he's not pretty good, or for another pitcher) for Miguel Tejada and turned it down. Then they could have replaced the likes of Ortiz and strengthened their team for next year. Dumb...
2006-08-07 11:52:26
155.   Robert Daeley
148 151 Derek's presence on the Dodgers in MLB 06: The Show (which I just got around to getting) is what reminded me of him. Thanks for the updates.
2006-08-07 11:56:28
156.   bluetahoe
[149 That's exactly how I see things at the end of the week. I'm on my knees and parying Sele/Gio clear waivers if Dessens doesn't go DL.

On 9/1 we bring up Kemp/Loney/a fast runner/maybe Kuo and hopefully we continue to win.

I REALLY want to believe Neddie has put us in a position to make the playoffs AND a World Series run.

2006-08-07 11:57:48
157.   ToyCannon
On the other hand Ketchner the other Dodger prospect who underwent the knife last year is back and rehabbing in VB. He's gotta show something to be added to the 40 man or he will be rule 5 material.

If the Reds are trading for the likes of Ryan Franklin I can't imagine them not putting in claims on Sele and Gio.

2006-08-07 11:58:32
158.   Uncle Miltie
According to the New York Post, Paul Lo Duca's wife has filed for divorce on charges of adultery.
Sonia Lo Duca, a former Playboy model, has filed papers in her Texas hometown claiming that their marriage has "become insupportable" because of "adultery." Knowing this was coming, Paul Lo Duca said Friday that he didn't intend to talk to the media for the rest of the year. The issues from his personal life haven't taken any sort of toll on his performance so far, but it's possible that they will at some point.

I'm not surprised. The majority of players do (that doesn't make it right). Derek Lowe's character was questioned, so why not Lo Duca?

Plaschke will now write saying that nothing would have happened if he had stayed in LA.

2006-08-07 12:02:24
159.   bhsportsguy
158 This should just further confirm that whatever happens outside of the field and clubhouse will not impact a team's decision on acquiring or keeping a ballplayer.

I think the comment on the majority of players do that is a generalization, though lets remember that a third or so of all marriages end up in divorce so it should not be surprising that it occurs in pro sports too.

2006-08-07 12:06:20
160.   the OZ
158 Plaschke will ignore it, like he does every piece of evidence that points out his disingenuousness or stupidity, whichever is more accurate.

For what it's worth, my Mets fan friends from NY love Lo Duca and think that he was, quote, "Born to be a Met."

I remember a link, posted months ago, to some photos of Lo Duca and other Mets (David Wright?) out with women at a bar somewhere. This was occurring amid rumors of an impending divorce for the Lo Ducas, so the divorce announcement isn't exactly news.

2006-08-07 12:07:19
161.   Uncle Miltie
159- yea, it's a generalization, but I had a family friend who worked for the Cleveland Indians about 10 years back. He told me at least half the players on the team cheated on their wives. He said players were very open about it. They'd give the women the keys to their hotel room right at the ballpark, even when their wives were traveling with the team!
2006-08-07 12:07:35
162.   King of the Hobos
149 Somehow I doubt we get Sele or Carrara through waivers with Wayne Krivsky patrolling the waiver wire.

I'd like to rest Billingsley so he doesn't pitch more than 170-180 innings, including the playoffs, as he only pitched 146 last season (and 134 the year before). He's at 121 for the year, and if he plays a big role in the playoffs, he could get up to 200+ (although he shouldn't pitch more than 180 innings or so in the regular season if he makes all of his starts). I don't like increasing his workload by 50+ IP in a single season when he's only 21.

2006-08-07 12:17:16
163.   Eric Enders
159 "I think the comment on the majority of players do that is a generalization"

Yes it is, but in this case it's a generalization that happens to be correct.

"On 9/1 we bring up Kemp/Loney/a fast runner/maybe Kuo and hopefully we continue to win"

Callup candidates:

Whoever gets cut today
Elbert (unlikely)
Whoever's catching in Vegas these days

The ones I personally expect to see are in bold.

Also, 149, 162: I'm pretty sure Carrara and Sele wouldn't have to clear waivers since they both signed minor league contracts. They could simply be optioned down, same as Loney.

2006-08-07 12:19:26
164.   bluetahoe
I don't agree with Krivsky's deal with the Nats but overall he's done a great job in building a playoff calibur team so fast. If the Reds were to catch the Cards Krivsky may be GM of the year.
2006-08-07 12:21:53
165.   D4P
Yes it is, but in this case it's a generalization that happens to be correct

This kind of stuff (coupled with the multi-million dollar contracts) makes it difficult for me to "root" for players as persons. Sure, I want "my" team to succeed, but it's rare that I actually become attached to any particular player anymore.

2006-08-07 12:24:34
166.   regfairfield
164 Who can argue with the strategy of trading all your good players for roster filler, then letting Scott Hatteberg OPS .920?
2006-08-07 12:25:11
167.   Scanman33
D4P, did you shed a tear when you read that about your beloved Paulie?
2006-08-07 12:26:29
168.   Eric Enders
165 It's kind of a natural outgrowth of the kind of lifestyle they live. Same as with rock stars. They're away from home and they have women throwing themselves at them every night. Stuff is naturally going to happen. That doesn't make it right, of course, but it does make it more understandable.

Also, the vast majority of baseball wives, I think, enter into their marriages knowing that's part of the deal. The unspoken agreement is you're trading off you're husband's fidelity for lots and lots and lots of money. Been that way for decades.

It goes without saying that there are plenty of exceptions to this, of course.

2006-08-07 12:28:09
169.   Scanman33
168-Or the other way around, like when John Elway and Ryne Sandberg got divorces as soon as their playing careers were over.
2006-08-07 12:29:17
170.   D4P
did you shed a tear

Nah, I'm still all right to smile...

Until they give me reason to think otherwise, I've pretty much reached the conclusion that most players are spoiled, whiny, philandering, roidhogs who aren't worthy of my support. That's what made a guy like HSC so refreshing: Hee didn't seem like any of that.

2006-08-07 12:31:04
171.   D4P
It's a good point that some of the wives may not care that much about infidelity, given the luxurious lifestyle they've been given.

But I still don't support it as a fan...

2006-08-07 12:31:08
172.   Scanman33
170-Oh, so you didn't see the headline in the Seoul Post?

Hooker Proclaims, "Hee Made Me Go Buy His HGH!"

2006-08-07 12:36:12
173.   D4P
2006-08-07 12:46:30
174.   Uncle Miltie
168- you should become a JD Drew fan then. I'm almost positive he doesn't cheat on his wife. He's about as Bob Jones (in terms of lifestyle) as there is in baseball.

While what Lo Duca did was wrong, could you imagine being Dave Stewart's girlfriend/wife? lol

2006-08-07 12:52:55
175.   D4P
you should become a JD Drew fan then

Nah, too boring... ;-)

2006-08-07 12:57:40
176.   natepurcell
d4p has changed considerable since 2004 and his days of crying over his fallen paulie and the evil of Depodesta and his lack of ability to recognize team chemistry.
2006-08-07 13:02:44
177.   D4P
"How you like me now...?"

Alas, it's true. I'm a changed fan.

2006-08-07 13:03:38
178.   natepurcell
Alas, it's true. I'm a changed fan.

Is fan even the right noun?

2006-08-07 13:07:09
179.   D4P
Is fan even the right noun?

Depends. If "fan" is short for "fanatic," then I suppose it's not.

2006-08-07 13:09:06
180.   JoeyP
Loduca's a real jerk off for cheating on his wife and newborn child.

Of course, one has to wonder why this playboy centerfold was with Loduca in the first place?

Loduca and Sonia?
Alyssa Milano and Brad Penny?

Its one thing if the skirts are chasing the money, but these girls have money of their own. Its not like Penny and Loduca are A-List bachelors. One looks like Larry the Cable Guy, and the other is a midget.

They must have great personalities.....

2006-08-07 13:12:31
181.   D4P
Wouldn't it be ironic if:

1. Lo Duca was cheating on his wife while still a Dodger, and
2. Depo knew about it, and
3. That knowledge had some greater-than-zero influence (however small) on the decision to get rid of him?

2006-08-07 13:15:10
182.   Jon Weisman
181 - The committee rules yes, that would be ironic.
2006-08-07 13:20:21
183.   D4P
It's a strange world we live in:

(Paris) Hilton also told the magazine she collects $500,000 in fees just to show up at parties and other events from Las Vegas to Tokyo. Her best-paying gig, she said, was a recent Austrian appearance.

"I had to say 'hi' and tell them why I loved Austria so much," she is quoted as saying.

And why does she like Austria? "Because they pay me $1 million to wave at crowds!"

2006-08-07 13:25:34
184.   the OZ
180 Super-attractive/wealthy women might also be drawn to the fact that the men you listed are ballplayers. Status/fame can be a very attractive thing, for both men and women.

It's like there's a rule that super-attractive women can only date mean with status-rich jobs like actors and athletes, or even industrial heirs and sports bloggers.

2006-08-07 13:25:53
185.   bhsportsguy
As far as the expansion of rosters on September 1st, the rule is that the player must be on the 40 man roster:
Current players on the 40 man roster (not on active 25 man roster)

Jose Diaz RHP - 22 years old, still in High A ball
Tim Hamulack LHP - 29 years old, AAA numbers 1.71 ERA, 31.2 27 hits 1 HR 36/22 K/BB ratio
D.J. Houlton RHP - AAA - 5.90 ERA, 129.2 140 hits 22 HRs 105/55 K/BB ratio
Hong-Chih Kuo LHP - 25 years old, AAA - 3.93 ERA, 34.1 39 hits, 3 HRs 40/17 K/BB ratio
Greg Miller LHP, 21 years old, AAA - 4.68 ERA, 25.0 IP, 24 hits, 0 HRs 19/25 K/BB ratio
Franquelis Osoria RHP, 24 years old, AAA - 37.0 IP, 57 hits, 2 HRs, 22/15 K/BB ratio
Andy LaRoche 3B, 22 years old, AAA - .323/.413/.516 6 doubles, 6 HRs in 124 at bats (in over 400 PAs in AA/AAA, he has 60/47 BB/K ratio)
James Loney (assuming he goes down this week) 1B, 22 years old, AAA - .372/.419/.539
Oscar Robles, IF, 30 years old, AAA - .300/.376/.330
Matt Kemp, OF, 21 years old, AAA - .341/.434/.529 (12/15 BB/K ratio in 97 PAs, stolen 7/8)
Delwyn Young, OF, 24 years old, AAA -
.274/.332/.455 (32 doubles, 14 HRs)

This is before the presumed move of either Sele or Carrera to AAA if they clear waivers.

I don't think they will add any of their other prospects to the 40 man roster if they don't have to, since Las Vegas will not be in the playoffs, I would assume that only Loney, Kemp, and Kuo are locks to come up, Hamulack could too though Grady had a lot of resistance to using him, other than those 3, Miller and LaRoche only if they want him to get a feel of MLB clubhouse in a pennant chase but I don't think either would see much time.

By my count, the Dodgers do have some open spots on their 40 man roster (2, 3 if they put Gagne on 60 day DL) and so they may purchase one of their catchers as added bench strength, some might argue for someone like Wilkin Ruan to add some more speed but I don't know if they would use up a roster spot for that.

2006-08-07 13:28:27
186.   bhsportsguy
180 I believe LoDuca's wife was not a Playboy Playmate but an internet gal of the month, so I don't think she had a lot of cash, I do believe that both Piazza and our own Brett Tomko married former centerfolds.

Jimmy Connors has to have one of the more sucessful marriages to a former Playmate of the Year, has to be well over 20/25 years.

2006-08-07 13:29:29
187.   blue22
185 - Jose Diaz RHP - 22 years old, still in High A ball

This guy always jumps out at me when looking at the 40-man. Is Jumbo really worth locking up a spot for?

With the likes of Houlton, Hamulack, and Robles, there seems to be bigger fish to fry. Did Jumbo get added because of service time, or was it a contractual thing?

2006-08-07 13:31:04
188.   JoeyP
184. I agree. I'm just sort of surprised that of all the athletes to choose from, Milano would pick Brad Penny. Its like Barry Zito I can buy. Even Pavano. But Penny isnt even that famous.

And Loduca really isnt very famous.

Jennifer Walcott dates former Rams safety Adam Archuleta, and that I can buy bc Archuleta looks the part of someone that would date a playmate. Loduca/Penny not so much.

2006-08-07 13:33:04
189.   bhsportsguy
187 Players like Diaz get added because he was in the minors for four years and he needed to go on the protect from Rule V draft. He's still pretty young but if I had to choose between Diaz and someone like Mike Megew, I would take Megew and add him on the 40 man after this season.
2006-08-07 13:33:14
190.   blue22
Brad Penny has SWAGGER...with the ladies.
2006-08-07 13:33:41
191.   Jon Weisman
188 et al - Are you purposely ignoring the possibility that they might like someone's particular personality?
2006-08-07 13:35:06
192.   JoeyP
183. I'll admit I watch Simple Life occasionally but its mainly to hear Nicole Richie's 1-liners and personality. She's actually somewhat interesting, of course most women that have had her prior life would be interesting.

OTHO, Paris Hilton is a nobody. She has no talent, no personality, and she's got no curves. I used to enjoy pop culture until it embraced Paris Hilton.

2006-08-07 13:35:11
193.   natepurcell

I was about to say that.

2006-08-07 13:36:46
194.   blue22
There's fame, there's personality, there's looks, there's money...and then there's something else that the ladies look for too.

But I've never been in the Dodger's locker room, so I can't speak for Penny...

2006-08-07 13:37:04
195.   JoeyP
191. No. Did you purposely skip over "They must have great personalities....." from comment 180?
2006-08-07 13:41:01
196.   the OZ
Time for a new thread, perhaps.
2006-08-07 13:41:43
197.   DXMachina
"This Week in Baseball" did a piece on Milano last Saturday, mentioning that she's a big Dodgers fan. They didn't even mention Penny.
2006-08-07 13:41:48
198.   natepurcell

of course, one line surrounded by a sea of denial and disablief will most often times get overlooked or probably not even taken seriously.

2006-08-07 13:41:51
199.   bluetahoe
I used to refer to Paul LoDuca as my daughters future husband. She was only 1 at the time.
2006-08-07 13:42:41
200.   Jon Weisman
195 - No, I missed it. Rereading it and the comments after, it didn't come across as sincere, since the whole conversation seems to find these matches unfathomable, but my mistake.
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2006-08-07 13:42:50
201.   bluetahoe
In DC, Brad Penny was with a red head the whole weekend. Not a knock out hotty, but a hotty nonetheless.
2006-08-07 13:43:08
202.   Marty
197 Well, Penny is a big Dodger.
2006-08-07 13:45:10
203.   bhsportsguy
Ahh the threads that go on during a 9 game winning streak.

Hey Nate, who would you jettison off the 40 man roster at the end of the year? I'll put in my list later?

2006-08-07 13:46:31
204.   Jon Weisman
Sorry I haven't had time to write anything today, at least so far.
2006-08-07 13:48:34
205.   the OZ
204 More a reflection on the tone of the discussion than a demand for a new post. No need to apologize.
2006-08-07 13:49:27
206.   bluetahoe
If the Dodgers continue playing great ball it's not out of the realm of possibilty they could catch the Cardinals and have home field in the 1st round of the playoffs. Catching the Mets is another story.
2006-08-07 13:52:20
207.   bhsportsguy
204 Yes, Jon, not a reflection of you, just how the discussion wanders during the day waiting for news from Dodgerland on what is going to happen with Jeff Kent.

It was only a week ago when news broke when they acquired Maddux and Lugo, so far, so good but now lets see how they integrate the returns of Kent and Nomar.

2006-08-07 13:55:17
208.   Bob Timmermann

I'd settle for the Dodgers catching the Padres or Reds first. Or even surpassing the Diamondbacks.

2006-08-07 14:00:51
209.   the OZ
Since Lo Duca was invoked in this thread, I became curious to compare our old friend with new DT hero Russell Martin:

Lo Duca .324/.368/.426 21%CS .275EQA
Martin .308/.372/.465 29%CS .286EQA

2006-08-07 14:01:07
210.   bluetahoe
We really need to gain some ground on SD this weekend.

We have 4 at home with the Rox while SD plays 3 at NYM. Haven't looked to see who is pitching for NYM but I'm hoping Pedro gets a turn.

Over the weekend we have 3 at home with SF while SD plays 3 at Houston.
Clemens pitched on Saturday so I'm hoping he pitches Friday against SD.

On paper we should be in 1st by the end of the week or maybe 1/2 out. ON PAPER THAT IS

Baseball is a funny game.

2006-08-07 14:03:51
211.   Penarol1916
210. You really enjoy counting your chickens before they hatch don't you? Personally, I never mention the potentially good things that should happen on paper because I know that I'll jinx it, just like Jon and no-hitters. I'm convinced that the universe is out to get me.
2006-08-07 14:06:45
212.   caseybarker
Lo Duca's BA/OBP are about 30 points above his career averages.
2006-08-07 14:07:14
213.   Greg S
I'm sure I'll regret getting into this but... Why is there such a misguided belief that somehow baseball players are born with different chromosomes that lead to things like, greed and cheating. Baseball players are not greedy and they are not cheaters anymore than people are greedy and are cheaters. This is true because, as hard as it may be to believe, they actually are people.
Yes, they are people with a different life style based on their job, but judging them as somehow fundamentally different at their core is not only as backwards than judging them on race but actually more (and that's pretty backwards).
2006-08-07 14:12:38
214.   Steve
The argument isn't nature, it's nurture.
2006-08-07 14:13:00
215.   Steve
At least, for those that make it.
2006-08-07 14:13:57
216.   Penarol1916
213. You have a good point, but my guess as to why people judge them differently is because we assume all guys are jerks like that. I assume most everybody is greedy until proven otherwise, it is certain rules and constraints in society that keep most of us from acting on those impulses. When those rules don't come with the normal consequences because society treats us better, then it is to be expected that we will act on those more base impulses than the average joe. I don't think of it as seeing baseball players as fundementally different than anyone else, just your garden variety misanthropy.
2006-08-07 14:14:00
217.   caseybarker
If there is a gene for athleticism, there must be one for moral superiority...
2006-08-07 14:16:30
218.   Gagne55
210,211 I have a theory that I call the "Law of Negative Momentum" It states that when a team gets red hot and overcomes a large deficit in the standings, that as soon as they either tie or lead who they are chasing, they fall back.

It happened to the A's last year; they caught they Angels andd immediately after, fell back. It happened to the Indians last year as well and the Yankees, but they rebounded again and overcame a small deficit.

The most apparent occurence of this law occured in 2004 when the Dodgers couldn't buy a win and the Giants were on fire. In one week the Dodgers lead went from 6.5 to .5. Then the Dodgers rebounded and won 2 of 3 against the Giants.

2006-08-07 14:18:14
219.   Greg S
217. I assume you are joking but it is almost as if that line of thinking really exists.

214 and 216. If it is the job that makes them so, than all who believe it must also concede that if you or your brother or your best friend were lucky enough to become a pro ballplayer, than prejudgement of you or yours as greedy, cheaters, whatever, would be okay.

2006-08-07 14:19:00
220.   Gagne55
My only real explanation for the Law of Negative Momentum is that players tend to relax after they complete their goal of catching the team they were chasing. It's a law that doesn't make a whole lot of logical sense, but I've observed it time and again.
2006-08-07 14:19:22
221.   Greg S
than/then, whatever.
2006-08-07 14:22:03
222.   imperabo
213 I think you could make the argument that professional athletes are "different at their core". To make it to the highest level of professional sports you have to spend hours almost every day of your life from a young age practicing, often in a grueling and intense fasion. What type of person does that? Probably someone with deep insecurities or a desire to prove himself that can never be satisfied. Maybe the same type of person who needs to keep proving himself over and over again with different women. Maybe even the type of person who would "cheat" to get what he wants.
2006-08-07 14:24:49
223.   Bluebleeder87
Since Lo Duca was invoked in this thread, I became curious to compare our old friend with new DT hero Russell Martin:

you know Russell Martin is gonna go after the ladies, he's single so go get 'em Martin!

2006-08-07 14:26:46
224.   Greg S
222. Well you certainly proved that what I said at the start of post 219 is correct.
You are entitled to that belief (if it is your belief). I think that making a sweeping psychological generalization about 750 people who share nothing more than a career in sports is badly misguided.
2006-08-07 14:28:57
225.   Bluebleeder87
Can you imagine a guy like Kemp or Martin leaving in L.A. with all the hotties out there & playing for the I'm jealous.
2006-08-07 14:29:13
226.   Penarol1916
219. Like, I said, I pre-judge that about everyone anyway. I have very little faith in humanity. The job doesn't make them that way, it allows them to act like most other guys would.
2006-08-07 14:31:52
227.   Jon Weisman
218, etc. - That's simply a function of teams not being able to maintain a winning percentage of .900 or whatever.

That's the problem with huge deficits, the reason why the Dodgers were in trouble two weeks ago, is that it takes so much to make them up, you have no surge left.

2006-08-07 14:34:32
228.   trainwreck
I saw Little Miss Sunshine yesterday, I highly suggest it...

and let the streak keeping going!

2006-08-07 14:35:13
229.   imperabo

There is no wisdom without generalization.

You honestly don't believe that this sample of 750 has been preselected for specific traits? This isn't just a "career". This is something that almost every American male would love to do if he had the ability. You don't think those 750 must have some things in common that allowed them to succeed where the rest of us failed or never tried?

2006-08-07 14:37:27
230.   Greg S
227 But do you think that they actually run out of gas? If you flip a coin 9x and it comes up heads, of course it is still 50/50 that it will come up heads on the 10th. So although it may have been unlikely for the Dodgers to win 9 straight, as of today, I'd say they have a better than 50/50 chance of making it ten straight (sorry jinx theorists-just making a point). So from here on out, I wouldn't expect them to never lose, but is there any reason they should regress to worse than being the barely first place team they've been for most of the year?
2006-08-07 14:39:00
231.   blue22
This is something that almost every American male would love to do if he had the ability.

This could also be applied to chasing the ladies.

It's just that being an athlete/rockstar/billionaire allows them to act this way, by giving them the support structure, money, attraction, and lack of accountability that you need to be a real scoundrel.

2006-08-07 14:39:24
232.   Greg S
Yes, the ability to hit or throw a baseball exceptionally well. I seriously doubt that correlates in any significant way with any moral attribute.
2006-08-07 14:39:57
233.   Fallout
218 Gagne55
The most apparent occurence of this law occured in 2004 when the Dodgers couldn't buy a win and the Giants were on fire. In one week the Dodgers lead went from 6.5 to .5. Then the Dodgers rebounded and won 2 of 3 against the Giants.

The law there was that a bad trade will eventually come back and bite you.

2006-08-07 14:43:31
234.   bhsportsguy
227 I agree, the key will be the next couple of weeks, can they find a rhythm to play consistently, its easy to win games when you everything is clicking, but unless you are the Tigers, its been pretty hard for many teams to keep that pace up.

Hopefully, between Penny, Maddux and Lowe, the Dodgers won't run into too many bad streaks anymore.

One thing I like about Kent and Garciaparra in the lineup is that I really did not like the 6-7 LH bats in the lineup against RH pitchers, having the ability to mix it up a little with Garciaparra, Drew, Kent, Ethier and Betemit gives them the lineup more punch and more diverse looks for the pitcher.

2006-08-07 14:44:45
235.   bhsportsguy
233 Its been two years, there has to be a statute of limitations on going through that debate.
2006-08-07 14:45:25
236.   underdog
RotoTimes has a nice little piece about the Dodgers resurgence (with a bit of a fantasy spin to it of course):

Meanwhile, sounds like Nomar's been nominated for comeback player of the year - not surprising, certainly. His chances of winning will obviously depend on how he comes back after the stint on the DL.

2006-08-07 14:46:14
237.   Penarol1916
232. You don't think working hard is a moral attribute? Even those players that are called lazy in the pros had to work extremely hard at the game in order to get to the highest level, much more than many do in most professions because they have to beat out so many for so few spots. Because of that hard work that is necessary to get there, you are more likely to see a more limited spectrum of personalities in professional athletes than you are in the general population.
2006-08-07 14:46:54
238.   caseybarker
230 - it is certainly true that when you flip a coin, each flip has the same probability of heads regardless of the previous flips.

But, how exactly is a team's probability of winning a game (and a particular game for that matter), and is each game a truly independent event (like each coin flip)?

Ahh...those are the truly interesting questions.

2006-08-07 14:48:10
239.   Greg S
237 I understand your point. I just disagree with it.
2006-08-07 14:51:45
240.   DaveP
Jeff Kent is playing 1B tonight. Has the corresponding move been announced yet? Did Loney get sent down?
2006-08-07 14:53:51
241.   Penarol1916
239. Which one? That professional athletes must work harder than other people to achieve where they are? That only certain personality types are pre-disposed to this level of commitment to a goal?
2006-08-07 14:56:08
242.   caseybarker
Rob Neyer has modeled the baseball season as a binomial distribution, with the same probability of winning (or losing) each game. I think this is a good start, but:

1. What effects the probability of winning, ie. midseason trades, callups, DL, etc...

2. Is each game an independent event?

2006-08-07 14:58:27
243.   Greg S
240 I'm trying not to dominate the board with too many posts and this subject could lead to some really long discussions that are probably really boring to most people.
I simply disagree with you that any part of what makes someone eligible to be a pro ballplayer correlates in any signigicant way with any personality type. And no, hard work is not unique to ballplayers if it is even a trait that they share.
2006-08-07 14:59:14
244.   Greg S
Obviously a response to 241. Gosh I stink at this!
2006-08-07 15:04:02
245.   trainwreck
Jeff Kent better start hitting. I don't want to sit Loney or send him down and see Kent not hit and play worse defense.
2006-08-07 15:05:38
246.   blue22
240 - Vegas hasn't scored a run since Wednesday. They need James Loney.
2006-08-07 15:28:31
247.   natepurcell
Hey Nate, who would you jettison off the 40 man roster at the end of the year? I'll put in my list later?

well after the season, these players should be off the 40 man roster:

jose diaz
tim hamulack
aaron sele
toby hall
julio lugo
ramon martinez
rickey ledee
kenny lofton

2006-08-07 15:34:33
248.   blue22
247 - Who becomes eligible for the first time in the organization? Anyone significant?
2006-08-07 15:36:07
249.   Andrew Shimmin
Even if there's no difference in morality (however one might measure that) between professional baseball players and broke, lazy wastes of skin like my own self, the only way to believe that there wouldn't be a higher incidence of cheating in the ballplayer group is to assume that temptation has no effect on rates of cheating. That wouldn't seem prudent.
2006-08-07 15:36:40
250.   the OZ
247 It's fair to guess that during the offseason,a few players will be added to the 25-man roster from outside the organzation. Let's guess, maybe, 4? So we would be able to protect four additional kids NOT currently on the 40-man roster.

What's the most recent list of kids that need to be protected from the Rule 5 draft?

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2006-08-07 15:42:18
251.   natepurcell
I dont remember. what are the rules again concerning being drafted as a 18 and under compared to being drafted at 19+?

anyways, i dont think we will lose anyone significant to the rule 5 draft. we have enough room on the 40 man roster unless colletti decides he wants to fill it up with jason grabowskis or lance carters.

2006-08-07 15:43:18
252.   D4P
You're less of a waste of skin now that you stopped smoking.
2006-08-07 15:45:56
253.   Jon Weisman
New post up top. Will it be the game thread? Who's to say?
2006-08-07 17:47:01
254.   Andrew Shimmin
252- Arguable. I'm certainly not a waste of less skin.
2006-08-08 04:05:57
255.   Felton
145 - Fallout:

That's an interesting comp - Bradley was 25 and in 450 PAs hit 321/421/501 with 64W/73K and played a good CF. Ethier is 24 and projects to about 430 PAs currently hitting 350/399/554 and projects to about 35W/85K and plays LF (I have not seen him play OF). Anderson was 23 and in 1995 hit 321/352/505 with 19W/65K. Ethier figures to be somewhere in the middle of those careers, and that would be fine. If only Braley and Ethier were both still Dodgers.

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