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Talk About Making Up Ground ...
2006-08-09 17:50
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Dodger Thoughts, August 8, 2002:

As of 5:30 p.m. today, the Dodgers are 9-18 in their last 27 games (a easy-to-calculate .333 winning percentage), yet if the season ended this second, they would be playing in a postseason game. How this will play out remains to be seen, but it does give me an opportunity to talk about one of the most roller coaster regular seasons of my life.

In 1982, before the wild card era, when you had to win the division, the Dodgers fell 10 1/2 games behind the Atlanta Braves at around this time of year: late July/early August. At that time, getting caught up in playoff fever, Braves owner Ted Turner removed the tepee of Chief Noc-a-homa, the Braves' mascot, from its home in the outfield stands to make room for more seats for paying customers. In the next 12 days, the Braves lost their entire 10-game lead. They went 1-11, and the Dodgers went 11-1.

Perhaps poetically, my Dad and I were visting the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY as this was going on. It was just astonishing. The only problem was that it was happening in August and not late September. As the Dodgers continued to edge their new-found lead out to a few games, my 14 1/2-year-old self was slightly sad that it was going to end up being a runaway, instead of a dramatic finish.

And then Ted Turner put the tepee back.

The Braves started winning again, the Dodgers started losing. And on the last day of the season, Joe Morgan of the Giants homered off Terry Forster of the Dodgers in the bottom of the 8th inning, while the Braves were beating San Diego. Atlanta won the division on that final day.

You never have it lost, and you never have it won. And so, while I can look at the Dodgers, as I have earlier on this site, and alternately forecast doom or optimism, you simply never, ever, ever know. And I guess that's part of why I keep coming back. I am a cynical man who constantly hopes.

August 12, 2002:

Just some footnotes and minor corrections on Thursday's entry.

On July 29, the Dodgers were 10.5 games behind Atlanta.

On July 30, the Dodgers swept a doubleheader from the Braves, rallying from a 6-1 deficit to win the first game 10-9. The Dodgers ended up sweeping the four-game series with the Braves to pull within 6.5 games, then lost to Cincinnati to fall 7.5 games back.

Two victories over the Reds brought the Dodgers within 5.5 games. Then, with an extra-inning victory on August 5, the Dodgers won another four straight over the Braves - three in extra innings - to pull with 1.5.

Two more victories over the Reds gave the Dodgers eight wins in a row and 12 out of 13, and put them ahead of the Braves on August 10.

April 22, 2003:

Meanwhile, over at Dodgers.com, Ken Gurnick interviews Tommy Lasorda about one of the most memorable comeback seasons in Dodger history - 1982.

Early readers of this site - Hi Greg, Hi Brax - will recall that I wrote about this season in two of my first entries (August 8 and August 12). The Dodgers wiped out a 10 1/2-game deficit to the Atlanta Braves in under two weeks.

However, Gurnick writes:

"That the Braves ultimately won the division on the last day of the 1982 season, when Joe Morgan's home run off Terry Forster at Candlestick Park eliminated the Dodgers, doesn't change the fact that the Dodgers have come back from way back before."

Maybe not in the literal sense. But the whole point of building a big lead is that it gives you a cushion. It allows you the luxury of a slump. No one enjoyed that the summer of '82 more than I did, but the fall of '82 brought a hard lesson. Even if you have time to come back, even if you can come back, you need to have enough to finish the job. You have to do more than outplay those teams until you catch them. You have to continue outplaying them. It's a lot of work to dig out of a hole - and stay out of it.

It's not even about taking things one game at a time. You have to take things one pitch at a time. You have to focus on simply doing your job better. Of course a comeback can happen - but you need to do tangible things to make it happen.

By the way, the Dodgers made no big midseason transactions in 1982 from what I can discern or recall. Their rally (and ultimately, their downfall) was homegrown.

Their big stretch drive move was to activate Manny Mota for his final career at-bat. Mota was unable to repeat his 3-for-7 performance in 1981, instead grounding out in the 13th inning while batting for Mike Scioscia on September 1, 1982.

* * *

Tonight's Game

Comments (405)
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2006-08-09 17:54:22
1.   Jon Weisman
Sufferin' Bruin, have you been freed?
2006-08-09 18:01:17
2.   Suffering Bruin
:)

Nice of you to ask... I've enjoyed a day of remarkably clean language.

2006-08-09 18:02:18
3.   ToyCannon
Cub lineup making David Bush look good. He may be the only Bush in America I can root for without feeling queazy.
2006-08-09 18:03:08
4.   overkill94
The Reds are being very efficient against Carpenter: 6 runs on 6 hits and 1 HBP. Good for my fantasy team's WHIP, bad for the ERA. I'll be happy if he pulls off the win.
2006-08-09 18:04:00
5.   Bob Timmermann
The 1982 comeback was helped by the Dodgers starting to hit a lot better. August was the team's best month for scoring.
2006-08-09 18:04:50
6.   Bob Timmermann
Reds have tied up the Cardinals at 6-6.
2006-08-09 18:09:16
7.   Bluebleeder87
1

I think it was a one day thing (if I remember correctly)

2006-08-09 18:09:58
8.   Underbruin
2 - Just hope you don't slip up and get sent to your room. =P
2006-08-09 18:11:03
9.   Bob Timmermann
The 1982 Braves started the season with a 13-game winning streak and then lost 11 straight later in the year. They're one of a handful teams that have had double digit winning and losing streaks in one season.
2006-08-09 18:12:27
10.   Underbruin
9 - Let's hope the Dodgers don't join that club this season...
2006-08-09 18:13:37
11.   D4P
From the previous thread:

Right now, say our best hitters are Ethier and Garciaparra. Would you bat them 1-2? You could, but I don't think I would.

I'm not sure I would necessarily bat them 1-2, but I feel like, if I didn't the reason would probably be more along the lines of "Of course nobody bats them 1-2" than any meaningful analysis of why they shouldn't bat 1-2. All of which kinda makes me want to bat them 1-2...

2006-08-09 18:15:25
12.   Steve
Did you get it yet, Bluebleeder?
2006-08-09 18:15:47
13.   GoBears
Didn't realized we'd changed venues. Because I'm so concerned with overkill94's happiness, I will repeat the last post of the previous thread. That's just how I roll.

248. Unfortunately, I have to shave later because I've got a date...plus it's getting itchy.

If she can't appreciate the importance of a streak-beard, then she's not the gal for you, ok94. Well, at least you shouldn't marry her, but perhaps that's not the point.

2006-08-09 18:18:53
14.   Underbruin
11 - Well, I feel that batting somebody with a lower OPS in front of somebody with a higher OPS might actually make sense in the case that the second batter has a MUCH higher SLG. After all, if a guy hits doubles or, even better, home runs, you want people on the basepaths in front of him. Take Barry Bonds from a few years ago, when he was OBPing like .400+ or something silly. It's still worthwhile putting him behind other players, so that he has somebody to drive in with his rediculously high SLG (which was, what, in the like .700s or something?)
2006-08-09 18:19:30
15.   Andrew Shimmin
Most expensive grammatical error of all time?

http://tinyurl.com/r7ftf

2006-08-09 18:20:39
16.   overkill94
13 Heh, if it was a true streak beard then I would have no problem with sticking with it and explaining myself, but I've probably shaved two or three times since the streak started (I know, I'm lazy) so I don't feel like it's a streak-breaker.

I don't think she would have any problem with it, though this is only our 3rd date so it's hard to tell for sure.

2006-08-09 18:20:50
17.   Underbruin
12
https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/464027.html#274
2006-08-09 18:21:21
18.   s choir
As of today the Dodgers are only 3.5 games back of the Cardinals. It would be nice if the team set its sights on catching STL, which is achievable this year, so that they can have home field advantage in at least one round of the playoffs.

The Cards have a .511 win expectancy, which translates to an 83-win season. They are playing four games above their pythagorean pace, however, and given the quality of the teams they get to play against in September, they should be able to improve their run differential a bit. But even giving them the benefit of the doubt for their overachievement, I think the Cards will top out at around 90 wins this year.

To catch them, then, LA should have to put up a record of 33-16 from here on out. That will be tough to do, of course, but it's not like it hasn't been done by other, similarly flawed teams (such as Oakland and Houston).

2006-08-09 18:22:34
19.   Jon Weisman
3 - Sigh ...

Don't do that.

2006-08-09 18:23:47
20.   overkill94
Cardinals re-take the lead in the top of the 8th, Carpenter's hopes for a win are rejuvenated!
2006-08-09 18:23:54
21.   D4P
14
I guess I just see a tradeoff, and it's not immediately obvious on the surface (without actually looking at some data) which option is preferred.

1. On one hand, like you said, it's best for runners to be on base ahead of your big boppers.
2. On the other hand, the better the hitter, the more PAs he should get (and vice versa).

So, is the loss associated with your better hitters losing PAs made up for by having more runners on base ahead of them during the PAs they actually get?

Similarly, is the loss associated with having fewer runners on base ahead of them made up for by having your better hitters get more PAs?

I think these are empiricial (not theoretical) questions, aren't they...?

2006-08-09 18:23:58
22.   Underbruin
15
-wince-

Sheesh. Funky Canadian courts. Not sure that'd fly in the States.

2006-08-09 18:23:59
23.   Bluebleeder87
yeah it took me a while but I got it

thanks

2006-08-09 18:24:38
24.   Underbruin
19
POLITICS!
-rabblerabblerabblerabble-

Okay. We're done. :)

2006-08-09 18:31:53
25.   Underbruin
21 - That may be the case, but I don't have access to the data to make an empirical case. I'm not sure I hold with the belief that dropping one spot in the order = 18 fewer PAs per season across the board, which is how I understood Xeifrank from the previous thread. That would mean the #8 hitter would have 125 fewer PAs than the #1? That seems an awfully large number (that's about 30 games worth, at 4 ABs/Game)...

Anyway, I think part of it depends on the composition of the OPS of the hitters you want to put in front of your big sluggers. If you've got a guy who doesn't SLG much, but still has a solid OBP, that's exactly the type of guy you should want in front of your big hitter - there won't be much dropoff in number of times the earlier hitter gets on base, but there should be a noticable increase in the number of times he gets brought home.

I forget who it was in the last thread who said the #1 hitter should be the team's top OBP guy, and then go descending OPS... I'd say put your #1 OPS guy in the 3rd slot, then your top two remaining OBP guys in the #1 and #2 spots, and go in descending order of OPS 4-8.

2006-08-09 18:33:46
26.   Underbruin
25 - Ack, deleted part of my answer. The whole '18 PAs' bit was mentioned because I wanted to point out that it also depends on just how many fewer PAs a lower spot in the order brings. If it's only a relatively small number, the opportunity to drive in runs would probably outweigh it, I believe.
2006-08-09 18:35:42
27.   overkill94
15 They're right about the grammatical structure of that sentence, the commas surrounding the middle statement make it seem secondary to the rest of the sentence. I wonder if the lawyer who wrote that one up will get fired for this.
2006-08-09 18:36:32
28.   Linkmeister
19 It's Wednesday. Nothing happens in politics on Wednesdays. ;)
2006-08-09 18:37:11
29.   Linkmeister
27 Or, conversely, will the lawyers who caught it get humongous raises?
2006-08-09 18:38:00
30.   overkill94
Piazza almost came through again; hit one to deep center with 2 on in the 8th inning over in NY. One more inning, come on Mets!
2006-08-09 18:39:02
31.   Telemachos
19 I never could get the hang of Wednesdays....

(cribbed -- and paraphrased -- from Douglas Adams, of course)

2006-08-09 18:41:24
32.   Robert Daeley
25 This page has a table of average PAs by position:

http://tinyurl.com/zju8z

2006-08-09 18:41:49
33.   Bob Timmermann
I've been watching the Twins and Tigers. It was a nice pitcher's duel between Santana and Bonderman.

Tigers took a 3-2 lead on an Inge homer in the 7th. Then in the 8th, Morneau turned around a Zumaya fastball for a 2-run shot to make it 4-3. It's in the top of the 9th now.

2006-08-09 18:43:30
34.   Sam DC
The strangest thing I've ever seen in gameday:

Offensive Substitution: Pinch runner Brian Schneider replaces Daryle Ward.

2006-08-09 18:45:06
35.   Robert Daeley
FYI, replicated from the end of the previous thread:

Now this would be an intriguing lineup, by descending order of OPS. Check out the handedness taking care of itself.

1 LF Ethier L
2 1B Garciaparra R
3 3B Betemit S
4 C Martin R
5 RF Drew* L
6 2B Kent R
7 CF Kemp* R
8 SS Furcal S
9 (pitcher)

* Or Drew in CF and Kemp in RF.

Note: Missing from this is Saenz (who is 3rd in OPS), Repko (9th, but we have OF covered), Loney (10th, ditto 1B), Lofton, and folks not on the active roster. Furcal is actually 14th.

http://tinyurl.com/kar22

2006-08-09 18:46:45
36.   Todd
21 Surely the big boppers aren't quite so big if they're not the best hitters, statistically. I'd say just to tweak the knuckleheads, put Ethier and Nomaaaah up front......but that's just from a quick analysis of the premises (is the plural of premise premises? Is that the sa me word as "evacuate the ____ ") Hmmm..
2006-08-09 18:49:51
37.   Vaudeville Villain
Speaking of lineups, I always was under the impression that the best lineup is based on a potential/realization dynamic. Potential is the ability to create runs, (on base), realization is home runs. Optimally, you would want guys with no realization ability but high potential at the top. Here's how I'd do it.

1. High Potential/ Low Realization
2-4. High Potential/ High Realization
5-6. Low Potential/ High Realization
7-9. Crappy hitters

Ideally, anyway.

2006-08-09 18:50:48
38.   Bob Timmermann
Mets win 4-3.
2006-08-09 18:54:59
39.   Bob Timmermann
So, for the next few hours, the Dodgers are tied for first.
2006-08-09 18:55:39
40.   Todd
34 Well Daryle Ward runs like he has rocks tied to his ankles......but yeah, that is an odd substitution-especially seeing it hasn't been a game with such a large number of players used. Well, I'm sure he's faster than Ward :)
2006-08-09 18:55:40
41.   Sam DC
38 You lookin' in on the Yankee game?
2006-08-09 18:55:59
42.   trainwreck
Big Unit is having a special game.
2006-08-09 18:58:59
43.   D4P
42
Is it against the rules to jinx Yankee pitchers...?
2006-08-09 19:01:08
44.   Sam DC
yes
2006-08-09 19:03:59
45.   D4P
But they're the Yankees...is nothing not sacred?
2006-08-09 19:05:36
46.   Andrew Shimmin
45- If you must, you can probably get away with jinxing a beer league softball game. Good luck finding an interesting one.
2006-08-09 19:05:57
47.   Sam DC
45 Well I think something is sacred, but it may not be the same as you . . . :)
2006-08-09 19:06:23
48.   Linkmeister
45 Good manners is good manners. ;)

Besides, our tall guy is nearly as tall as their tall guy; they root for each other.

2006-08-09 19:06:49
49.   Todd
43 Absolutely not D4P, go right ahead :)
2006-08-09 19:07:49
50.   Bob Timmermann
David Ross hits a 2-run game-winner for the Reds. Reds win 8-7.

At the end of tonight, the Dodgers won't have the checkered jersey. It will either be yellow or nothing!

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2006-08-09 19:09:15
51.   Steve
I thoroughly disagree, but not enough to do anything about it.
2006-08-09 19:11:46
52.   JoeyP
David Ross homer was one of the longest ones I've ever seen hit.

He hit it out of the stadium in Left Center. The ball hit the roof and bounced out. It might have went 500 feet.

2006-08-09 19:12:30
53.   Bob Timmermann
52
Don't you remember Dunn's homer off of Lima?
2006-08-09 19:12:36
54.   xaphor
Is the Griddle off limits as well? :)
2006-08-09 19:12:47
55.   Bluebleeder87
{38}

:o)

2006-08-09 19:14:44
56.   apsio
Good game they got on ESPN right now. Hope you're all watching.
2006-08-09 19:15:20
57.   Nick Iyengar
Great start by Lowe.
2006-08-09 19:15:23
58.   JoeyP
Dunn's homer was to RF I think.
Ross was hit to just about dead center.
2006-08-09 19:15:42
59.   Bob Timmermann
54
Take it over to Bronx Banter. I'm sure they will enjoy the discussion.

Michael Kay got into a heated argument on the radio in NY about this very topic that I can only allude to.

2006-08-09 19:16:07
60.   Sam DC
Anyone ever got to a cheesy mexican place in ? west la or century city ? called Casa Escobar? Used to go with my parents when very little, but can't quite remember where it was. Nationals have a centerfielder now named Alex Escoabar, and I always think of that place when I hear his name.
2006-08-09 19:17:22
61.   Bob Timmermann
Casa Escobar sounds like a place where you would buy something other than food.
2006-08-09 19:18:20
62.   Paul Scott
I assume it's ok to talk about a 1-hitter? ;)
2006-08-09 19:18:56
63.   Sam DC
Chad Cordero Ks Cody Ross.
2006-08-09 19:19:00
64.   apsio
Get the pen going!
2006-08-09 19:19:32
65.   Bob Timmermann
Now the big deal is if the White Sox can rally and hold on to the wild card spot. If they don't (and they're down 7-0), the Twins get the checkered jersey for the first time this year.
2006-08-09 19:20:26
66.   Sam DC
Do they realize it's a checkered jersey we're talking about?
2006-08-09 19:21:25
67.   xaphor
Johnson went 6 perfect innings without registering a strike out.
2006-08-09 19:22:27
68.   CanuckDodger
Scully said a few minutes ago that Jeff Francis is 21-years-old. Francis was born January 8, 1981.
2006-08-09 19:22:44
69.   Steve
Julio Lugo sucks
2006-08-09 19:23:18
70.   Bob Timmermann
67

Huh? Johnson has five strikeouts.

2006-08-09 19:23:20
71.   JoeyP
The Dodgers base running is brutal.
2006-08-09 19:24:51
72.   DXMachina
67, 70 And a walk, so not perfect.
2006-08-09 19:24:59
73.   Mr Customer
Man, I never get tired of those pick-off plays...
2006-08-09 19:25:40
74.   Gen3Blue
Looking at this lineup its good, but you see a few highpriced rebuilds that a small or medium payroll team couldn't afford, if it had the young talent we had. I guess its OK as long as we remember not to prize these retreads and cowboys above people built in our system.
2006-08-09 19:26:09
75.   Nick Iyengar
We've had major lapses on the bases in a bunch of games in a row now. At some point they're going to cost us.
2006-08-09 19:26:19
76.   Paul Scott
71 I hate base stealing, but the Dodgers are at 74%, so they aren't helping or hurting themselves at this point.
2006-08-09 19:26:32
77.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe Vin said that Jeff Francis was a 21-year old.

That's true.
I was one too.

2006-08-09 19:27:39
78.   natepurcell
nice play for the ROY highlight package.
2006-08-09 19:28:01
79.   Steve
But 3.5 rocks
2006-08-09 19:28:32
80.   xaphor
[70] Wow did I misread that graphic. Johnson had not recorded a strike out in his last two games.
2006-08-09 19:30:12
81.   Bob Timmermann
And now Johnson is out of the game as he didn't get anybody out in the seventh and two runs have scored.
2006-08-09 19:32:03
82.   Sam DC
81 It's because D4P was thinking impure thoughts.
2006-08-09 19:34:03
83.   xaphor
I think the impure thoughts of LA, Chicago and Boston combined to topple Johnson.
2006-08-09 19:34:17
84.   Gen3Blue
Way to put some pitches on Francis odometer.
2006-08-09 19:34:39
85.   Paul Scott
Kent is making up for Lugo. Now Either needs to come up with a 13 pitch PA.
2006-08-09 19:37:02
86.   Mr Customer
83 If the impure thoughts of Boston had any karmic value, whatsoever, most of the Bronx would be practically uninhabitable by now.
2006-08-09 19:40:02
87.   Bluebleeder87
A double play would be nice right about now.
2006-08-09 19:40:58
88.   Gen3Blue
I tell you this guy's dangerous if you don't do him early.
Not a bad bunter.
2006-08-09 19:41:16
89.   Sam DC
I think what Vin must have meant is that Jeff Francis has the gameday picture of a 21 year old.
2006-08-09 19:44:13
90.   Gen3Blue
We better get a few runs. Lowe should get tired and his ball will sink better, but before that happens we may see a few ropes!
2006-08-09 19:45:23
91.   Gen3Blue
Jeepers, did you see Francis handle Martin?
2006-08-09 19:45:40
92.   Bob Timmermann
Vin dropping in the Joan Didion allusion.
2006-08-09 19:46:10
93.   Bob Timmermann
Or is it more appropriately a Yeats allusion?
2006-08-09 19:47:22
94.   Bob Timmermann
Today's assignment: Compare the following poem to the 2006 NL West pennant race. Cite examples where relevant.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

2006-08-09 19:50:29
95.   Bluebleeder87
the Rockies pitcher is throwing 82 MPH fastball? wow.
2006-08-09 19:52:08
96.   Steve
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it

Derek Lowe is pitching tonight.

2006-08-09 19:54:27
97.   Bob Timmermann
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

But Lofton isn't out in center tonight.

2006-08-09 19:54:44
98.   Bluebleeder87
our fielding has gotten better
2006-08-09 19:57:03
99.   Steve
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world

The Giants bullpen.

2006-08-09 19:57:18
100.   KG16
Did Vin just say that he's never done anything well?

I think there are generations of Dodger fans that might disagree with that...

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2006-08-09 19:57:54
101.   JoeyP
This might be the fastest game of the season.
2006-08-09 19:57:57
102.   s choir
94 Matt Kemp = Jesus
2006-08-09 19:59:01
103.   Gen3Blue
This Francis is really styling. We got to find a way to lame his horse, or we'll be cooked.
2006-08-09 20:00:37
104.   Gen3Blue
Excellent tack, Furcal. This is serious, in the old days if no on scammed or upset this guy its over.
2006-08-09 20:00:43
105.   Sam DC
Lines from that poem that are book titles:

Things Fall Apart
The Blood Dimmed Tide
The Center Cannot Hold
Slouch[ing] Towards Bethlehem
Ceremony of Innocence
Mere Anarchy
The Second Coming

2006-08-09 20:01:30
106.   Bob Timmermann
101

Saying that jinxes the quickness of the game I've learned. It's like getting on the freeway and saying "Traffic seems light this morning." As you soon as you say that, three cars run into each other and they take up two lanes and none of the drivers will move their cars to the side of the road. Instead, they have a discussion in the middle of the freeway. Even though that's against the law and it's dangerous. Man I hate those people so much....

2006-08-09 20:02:21
107.   Paul Scott
Vin, if the runner does not advance, it is not a sacrifice.

Lugo, your bunt sucked. Try not to make an additional out while at first.

2006-08-09 20:02:41
108.   Bob Timmermann
Yankees 7, White Sox 6 in the 8th.
2006-08-09 20:02:48
109.   JoeyP
Fun with bunting?
2006-08-09 20:04:51
110.   D4P
It's because D4P was thinking impure thoughts

As usual...

2006-08-09 20:05:22
111.   JoeyP
Whats wrong with Drew?
2006-08-09 20:05:35
112.   Gen3Blue
One reason Drew may not come up is that Fracis is almost unhittable.
2006-08-09 20:05:50
113.   Gen3Blue
One reason Drew may not come up is that Fracis is almost unhittable.
2006-08-09 20:05:55
114.   Bob Timmermann
Commence someone wanting Jose Cruz back in 3 ... 2... 1.....
2006-08-09 20:05:59
115.   Gen3Blue
One reason Drew may not come up is that Fracis is almost unhittable.
2006-08-09 20:06:03
116.   Bluebleeder87
Steve I think you're right about Lugo.
2006-08-09 20:06:25
117.   Jon Weisman
94 - I'm back in high school. Mixed feelings about that.

105 - Things Fall Apart was great. That's the only book on that list I've read.

2006-08-09 20:06:33
118.   Paul Scott
Great. Lugo does it again.
2006-08-09 20:06:49
119.   Sam DC
Mariano Rivera gets a magic out.
2006-08-09 20:06:50
120.   Sam DC
Mariano Rivera gets a magic out.
2006-08-09 20:06:51
121.   Nick Iyengar
What's wrong with Drew
2006-08-09 20:06:59
122.   Bob Timmermann
As Alec Baldwin's character says in "State and Main"

Well, then that happened.

2006-08-09 20:07:07
123.   Marty
My goodness. Lugo isn't very smart.
2006-08-09 20:07:14
124.   Jon Weisman
118 - It was close, I have to say. Dumb, but close.
2006-08-09 20:07:33
125.   JoeyP
Fire Julio Lugo.
This is ridiculous.
2006-08-09 20:07:39
126.   Nick Iyengar
Jeez, what is Lugo doing?
2006-08-09 20:08:19
127.   Gen3Blue
Cowboy. But it is the right approach. If the don't upset Francis, they are obviously toast.
2006-08-09 20:08:40
128.   D4P
I knew we shouldn't have gotten rid of Jose Cru...Oh, never mind.
2006-08-09 20:08:42
129.   Icaros
That was ridiculous.
2006-08-09 20:09:01
130.   Bob Timmermann
Do we know that Lugo had a green light to try to steal home? Not many runners do.
2006-08-09 20:09:05
131.   ddger
Was Lugo trying to make up for getting picked off in 1st. We had runner on 3rd with one out. Grady needs to talk to Lugo and tell him that this is team game and not to try to do everything himself.
2006-08-09 20:09:31
132.   Gen3Blue
Cowboy. But it is the right approach. If they don't upset Francis, they are obviously toast.
2006-08-09 20:09:46
133.   Gen3Blue
Cowboy. But it is the right approach. If they don't upset Francis, they are obviously toast.
2006-08-09 20:10:17
134.   xaphor
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
No progress was made in 2005

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Communication is severed between Tracy and Depo

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
Both Tracy and Depo are fired while the media and sabr fans weep.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Is that Lasorda I see?

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Bulldog Returns.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.
Instead a Giant appears in the southland by the name of Flanders.

2006-08-09 20:10:32
135.   Marty
He has the green light to go home from me. And think about what he's done.
2006-08-09 20:10:54
136.   Uncle Miltie
Lugo saw Carl Crawford do it so he thought it was a good idea. He did get a big jump, but Francis made a perfect throw. No a good idea with runners of 1st and 3rd with only 1 out. This isn't Tampa, Julio.

Derek Lowe is back! I'll be home towards the end of the game.

2006-08-09 20:10:57
137.   Andrew Shimmin
Why not sub in Betemit, put Lugo in CF, Repko in RF?
2006-08-09 20:11:07
138.   JoeyP
Was Lugo trying for a straight steal of home?
Or perhaps Loney missed a sign and the squeez was on?
2006-08-09 20:11:10
139.   scooplew
Ginats have 10 hits through the first five innings at Arizona, but have hit into four DPs. Score is 1-1 after 4 1/2.
2006-08-09 20:11:19
140.   Icaros
Joel Guzman is a headcase loser.
2006-08-09 20:12:26
141.   Nick Iyengar
Sorry to harp on this, but any report on Drew?
2006-08-09 20:13:25
142.   Bluebleeder87
125

the 3rd base couch had something to do with it no?

2006-08-09 20:13:54
143.   Icaros
Drew is fine. He just changed his name to James Loney.
2006-08-09 20:14:31
144.   s choir
136 Where was Francis's throw?
2006-08-09 20:14:35
145.   Jon Weisman
Yeah, what makes everyone think that Lugo was on his own trying a straight steal?
2006-08-09 20:14:53
146.   Paul Scott
It's only a high throw because our 1B is so short.
2006-08-09 20:15:14
147.   Icaros
Lasorda would still be out there if there was a third base couch.
2006-08-09 20:15:38
148.   Steve
Things that happen in tampa bay are fake. It is no different than dealing with the Toronto Raptors. It is simply a way of importing mediocrity.
2006-08-09 20:15:50
149.   Paul Scott
145 I doubt it was his choice. Doesn't make it smart, just means someone else other than Lugo was stupid. :)
2006-08-09 20:16:31
150.   3upn3down
Ahh yes, the defensive wizard that is Nomar saves another potential Furcal error.

If it not a swipe tag after being pulled laterally off the bag, is is the leaping catch landing back on the bag to record the out.

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2006-08-09 20:17:02
151.   Jon Weisman
149 - Yeah, that's my point.

Vin sure seems to think (and like) that Lugo was running on his own.

2006-08-09 20:17:18
152.   Bob Timmermann
I can't imagine that Lugo unilaterally decided to steal home. He probably mentioned to Donnelly that he thought he could get a jump. A steal of home is something that needs to be signed off on by the top levels of the coaching staff.

It's the baseball equivalent of starting a nuclear war! Lugo had gone past the fail safe point!

2006-08-09 20:17:32
153.   trainwreck
Grady Little is trying to be too aggressive. Calm down!
2006-08-09 20:18:57
154.   Bluebleeder87
triple by Ethier YES!
2006-08-09 20:19:08
155.   Marty
Hello Julio. Would you like to play a game?
2006-08-09 20:19:27
156.   natepurcell
It's the baseball equivalent of starting a nuclear war! Lugo had gone past the fail safe point

hahahaha.

2006-08-09 20:20:42
157.   trainwreck
We better get a rookie of the year winner this year.
2006-08-09 20:21:35
158.   Paul Scott
151 Vin says a lot of things that don't make sense. :)

I agree, though, it does not seem reasonable that the choice to steal home (especially since it was a double steal) was Lugo's. It pretty much had to be a called play.

2006-08-09 20:22:10
159.   Sam DC
The only winning move is not to play.
2006-08-09 20:22:22
160.   ddger
How about squeeze bunt now?
2006-08-09 20:22:49
161.   trainwreck
Time to get a timely hit Lowe.
2006-08-09 20:22:51
162.   Steve
Just stand there
2006-08-09 20:23:31
163.   trainwreck
Good job Derek.
2006-08-09 20:23:41
164.   ddger
That's even better.
2006-08-09 20:27:03
165.   Gen3Blue
Maybe Francis is softening up a bit. I hope so. I know I'm cynical about the older guys, but seeing the way Francis was mowing Kent, Drew and Martin down with three or less pitches.....
Good, a run, Lol, no one was covering first so Repko got back.
I wouldn't be casual about giving up another run now.
2006-08-09 20:27:13
166.   Bob Timmermann
Do you think Derek Lowe wants the ball from his first major league sacrifice fly?
2006-08-09 20:27:22
167.   Bluebleeder87
well atleast we got our run back.
2006-08-09 20:28:57
168.   Steve
I meant Lugo.
2006-08-09 20:29:04
169.   Bob Timmermann
The Twins take over the checkered jersey in the AL. Yankees hold on, 7-6, at Chicago.
2006-08-09 20:29:08
170.   Marty
Vin said Lowe got an RBI with Boston. That must have been in the World Series.
2006-08-09 20:30:57
171.   JoeyP
Should the Dodgers lose on principle for failing a steal of home?

I almost think a failed steal of home should be punishable by at least a 3 game losing streak.

2006-08-09 20:31:24
172.   Gen3Blue
I think the big play of the game was the D's letting Lowe bat with the bases loaded, and he actually got a run in.
Drew with a "light quad pull". What does that mean--if someone starts hitting in his spot he will be well enough to play?
2006-08-09 20:31:34
173.   Marty
There's no Karma in baseball.
2006-08-09 20:32:35
174.   Bob Timmermann
170
July 4, 2004 Boston at Atlanta

RED SOX 2ND: Varitek singled to center; Millar singled to center
[Varitek to second]; McCarty struck out; Mueller forced Millar
(first to shortstop) [Varitek to third]; Lowe doubled to left
[Varitek scored, Mueller out at home (left to shortstop to
catcher)]; 1 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 1, Braves 0.

2006-08-09 20:33:23
175.   Marty
Jon, I just noticed a typo in your side bar -->

Grey's Antaomy

2006-08-09 20:33:27
176.   Bob Timmermann
173

Even Homer Simpson knows that karma is apportioned by the cosmos!

2006-08-09 20:33:27
177.   Benaiah
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Jim Tracy and Paul Depodesta? Oh wrong year.

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The resurgent Rockies challenging for the division
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Frank Mccourt is a self important dandy
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
Of the glory days of Garvey, Russell, Lopes and Cey.
*The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.*
I see great offensive prospects for the Diamondbacks.
*but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?*
I assume 20 centuries equals 20 years and that is how long the Dodger fans will have to wait between championships?

2006-08-09 20:34:22
178.   Marty
Sheesh, I forgot about interleague play. I'm a moron.
2006-08-09 20:34:25
179.   3upn3down
Is anyone else living somewhere East of the Rocky Mts. like me finding that staying up late to watch these games on this homestand finish is messing up your productivity the following day?

I tell my boss each day that I have to honor the streak, even if it is to his detriment. Cool thing is he totally understands!

2006-08-09 20:34:58
180.   JoeyP
Lowe might get a CG tonite.
65 through 6.
2006-08-09 20:36:06
181.   trainwreck
Lugo's having a bad day.
2006-08-09 20:38:22
182.   Steve
Because I like him, Grittle gets one of these, but he better not do this nonsense again.
2006-08-09 20:39:31
183.   Bluebleeder87
an update on Drew would be nice
2006-08-09 20:39:41
184.   Gagne55
180 Yeah, and in the bottom of the 5th I was thinking "should this be Saenz time?"
2006-08-09 20:40:01
185.   Paul Scott
mild strain of the quad.
2006-08-09 20:40:25
186.   Icaros
183

Slight quad pull. Day to day.

2006-08-09 20:40:33
187.   D4P
Is Nomar our bad luck charm?
2006-08-09 20:40:57
188.   Icaros
Why do I even try?
2006-08-09 20:43:30
189.   Gen3Blue
3^3! I watch the D's from New England on DTV. By the end of September with all the home and division games I will be an absolute mess. Not having an exact boss is good, I think. I try to eat a heavy supper and fall asleep for a few hours, before the 10pm games. I know this won't work if you are married with kids. But it is the sign of a true Dodger fan if you screw up your life to get your head screwed up, and it is great!
2006-08-09 20:43:56
190.   D4P
Tonight's episode of Cheap Seats is reviewing the 1980 All-Star Game, the last at Dodger Stadium. Amazing how skinny the players all looked back then...
2006-08-09 20:44:13
191.   Icaros
The look on Lowe's face after the Hawpe home run is classic.
2006-08-09 20:44:18
192.   Gen3Blue
3^3! I watch the D's from New England on DTV. By the end of September with all the home and division games I will be an absolute mess. Not having an exact boss is good, I think. I try to eat a heavy supper and fall asleep for a few hours, before the 10pm games. I know this won't work if you are married with kids. But it is the sign of a true Dodger fan if you screw up your life to get your head screwed up, and it is great!
2006-08-09 20:44:33
193.   Paul Scott
Anyone other than Vin actually think Hawpe's play on Ethier's tripple was remotely significant?
2006-08-09 20:45:21
194.   lakerican
181. ... and Little doesn't like bad days; remember Aybar bad day and what happenned after?

Let's see what it is Lugo luck/fate...

2006-08-09 20:45:45
195.   Bob Timmermann
190
I went to that All-Star Game! It cured me of the idea that All-Star Games were interesting.
2006-08-09 20:46:57
196.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
191 - The Derek Lowe Face? Bill Simmons milked more than a few column inches out of that joke.
2006-08-09 20:47:04
197.   Gen3Blue
180 I'm just afraid it will be a complete game loss. Sorry to be a pessimist.
2006-08-09 20:47:07
198.   3upn3down
I have had a break through moment...

For a year I have thought Jeff Francis looked familiar. I've placed him.

He looks like the actor in Band of Brothers who plays Lt. Jones, the West Point replacement that comes in about 2/3 of the way through the series.

Turns out, Lt. Jones is played by none other than Colin Hanks, Tom's son.

Tell me if you think there is a resemblance.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10051983A~Colin-Hanks-Posters.jpg

2006-08-09 20:49:11
199.   natepurcell
198

I can definately see the resemblance.

2006-08-09 20:49:56
200.   D4P
195
The White Sox uniforms had huge floppy collars on them.
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2006-08-09 20:50:52
201.   Steve
Francis has thrown 93 in six innings. We've got these guys.
2006-08-09 20:50:58
202.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
198 - "Are you drunk, trooper?"
I liked that episode. Liked the whole BoB series, in fact.
2006-08-09 20:51:48
203.   3upn3down
Here we go. This is our inning.
2006-08-09 20:51:59
204.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
190 - That game marked the debut of Dodger Stadium's Diamondvision, did it not?
2006-08-09 20:53:02
205.   natepurcell
it looks like Russ is doing the not shaving during the winning streak thing.
2006-08-09 20:53:14
206.   JoeyP
Is it too late for McCourt to put Clint Hurdle on his payroll?

Mr. Hurdle deserves something for his fine efforts.

2006-08-09 20:53:26
207.   Bob Timmermann
200

Those were dark times. Dark times indeed. Ed Farmer was the White Sox representative. Chet Lemon might have been there too.

J.R. Richard was pitching in the twilight at Dodger Stadium. I'm surprised that none of the AL batters got killed.

2006-08-09 20:53:34
208.   s choir
Let's say the Dodgers load the bases with one out, Lowe to the plate. Do you hit for him?
2006-08-09 20:53:34
209.   Bluebleeder87
yeah Kind of dose 198
2006-08-09 20:54:22
210.   Bob Timmermann
204
Yes, that was its "official" debut, but it had been operated a few times earlier.
2006-08-09 20:54:47
211.   3upn3down
Band of Brothers was a great series. If I recall, it was airing weekly when 9/11 occurred, which really coincided nicely with the rebirth of "Americanism."

I find myself jamming up my DVR just about once a year when History Channel shows the repeats.

Like you said, a great show!

2006-08-09 20:55:02
212.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Let Lowe hit.
2006-08-09 20:55:30
213.   JoeyP
This is a tough decision for Grits. I could see it both ways, but I'd probably pinch hit for Lowe.

Bring in Saenz.

2006-08-09 20:56:06
214.   Jon Weisman
Letting Lowe hit may be my biggest disagreement with Little all year.
2006-08-09 20:56:10
215.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
211 - The first two episodes aired on Sunday, Sept. 9, 2001.
2006-08-09 20:56:35
216.   Steve
I think Clint and Grady need to stop having strategy meetings before the game.
2006-08-09 20:56:47
217.   s choir
Yeah I think you let Lowe hit here too.
2006-08-09 20:57:22
218.   Nick Iyengar
214 Agreed. Would have been a great time for Saenz to hit.
2006-08-09 20:57:43
219.   Steve
There is no good argument for letting Lowe hit there. None. Not if you are going to bring in Broxton.
2006-08-09 20:57:52
220.   JoeyP
Grits is practicing Jim Tracy 101.
Not good.
2006-08-09 20:57:58
221.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I wasn't expecting Lowe to get a hit, but he's pitching so well (and thrown so few pitches) that I'd rather keep him in there another innind or two than go for a small (albeit slightly larger) chance of driving in the go-ahead run.
2006-08-09 20:58:10
222.   Jesse
i'm with jon. at least it's the seeming exception to the rule-- as opposed to recent years past...
2006-08-09 20:59:20
223.   Paul Scott
214 Yup. Tomato was an easy call there, imo. Reminds me of when Tracy let Perez hit in the 7th against Az last year.
2006-08-09 20:59:32
224.   Bluebleeder87
Band of Brothers was a great series.

agreed, I think the documantary of the actual people was also great

2006-08-09 20:59:48
225.   Steve
Though of course, there is Derek Lowe's ego to consider, and the fact that he's clearly the only pitcher who can get the terrible trio of Clint Barmes, Corey Sullivan, and Jamey Carroll
2006-08-09 21:00:48
226.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
214 - Interesting point you raise, Jon. Isn't it notable how Little has avoided all controversy this season? No oddball lineup choices, either in players or positioning?
Is Little's managerial style THAT conventional, so he offends nobody? Or, is he pushing ALL the right buttons at ALL the right times?
2006-08-09 21:00:53
227.   Jon Weisman
I just don't like trading in a 33-percent (or whatever) shot at a run to gamble on a pitcher to throw two scoreless innings late in the game . And just one scoreless inning isn't worth it.
2006-08-09 21:01:08
228.   babber
224, 211 et al; The book is even better. Cliche, but true...
2006-08-09 21:01:23
229.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal has hops!
2006-08-09 21:01:34
230.   D4P
there is Derek Lowe's ego to consider

Which is writing checks his body can't cash

2006-08-09 21:01:38
231.   Jon Weisman
226 - It's shocking, and no, if he were so conventional, I'd have more problems.
2006-08-09 21:02:01
232.   Gatinho
Lowe hasn't been able to get that far in a game consistently this season.

I'm a big fan of the pinch hitter if not for the simple fact that it puts the reportedly fragile Lowe on the bench having pitched well.

2006-08-09 21:02:03
233.   s choir
Francis stays in!
2006-08-09 21:02:13
234.   Jon Weisman
I say all this with all due respect to Lowe's outing tonight.
2006-08-09 21:02:19
235.   natepurcell
226

He really isn't over-managing. Thats why alot of people here like him.

2006-08-09 21:02:23
236.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
2nd Lt. Hank Jones looks lost at the plate.
2006-08-09 21:02:27
237.   Bob Timmermann
Despite a 2-hour head start, the Red Sox-Royals game in KC is still in the 9th.
2006-08-09 21:02:41
238.   Steve
So Hurdle ups the ante and lets Francis hit. It's like watching Shemp stub his toe and Curly hit himself in the head with a frying pan.
2006-08-09 21:02:43
239.   3upn3down
230 - Top Gun.
2006-08-09 21:03:18
240.   Bob Timmermann
It's baseball like they played it in the 1960s!
2006-08-09 21:03:58
241.   Jon Weisman
Maurice Clarett vs. Lawrence Phillips: You make the call.

It may be the only call you get, unless the rules in real jail are different from TV jail.

http://tinyurl.com/gvdu3

2006-08-09 21:03:59
242.   JoeyP
Hurdle has topped Grits.

Letting Francis hit, and then pitch to the top of the order after 105 pitches?

Good call Clint.

2006-08-09 21:04:03
243.   Steve
Watching Lowe navigate an inning that fraught with danger, one really respects the true champion he is.
2006-08-09 21:04:31
244.   Jon Weisman
238 - LOL 2x
2006-08-09 21:04:31
245.   Bob Timmermann
Papelbon blows the save in KC, so they may playing a bit longer there.
2006-08-09 21:05:11
246.   s choir
If I'm the manager, I put in Saenz for Lugo this inning.
2006-08-09 21:05:21
247.   Jon Weisman
238/244 - Although with bases empty and two out, I don't care as much.
2006-08-09 21:05:25
248.   JoeyP
I'll predict Furcal gets a double, Lugo walks. Then Francis is pulled.
2006-08-09 21:05:45
249.   natepurcell
Francis throws slower then FTOG.
2006-08-09 21:05:50
250.   Paul Scott
Hurdle made the right call there. If there was a runner on and only 1-out then letting Francis sacrifice would have been a mistake, but letting him hit with 2 outs and none on is the right call, imo.
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2006-08-09 21:06:10
251.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
240 - Warren Spahn vs. Juan Marichal!
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07020SFN1963.htm
2006-08-09 21:06:12
252.   natepurcell
248

haha...(wait for it!)

2006-08-09 21:06:31
253.   JoeyP
This stuff is really too easy.
2006-08-09 21:06:46
254.   Mr Customer
I like the looks of this inning.
2006-08-09 21:06:58
255.   Jon Weisman
I believe I just saw Cheryl Tiegs in the dugout level seats wearing a Dodgers shirt.
2006-08-09 21:07:06
256.   3upn3down
246- or Wilson.
2006-08-09 21:07:28
257.   s choir
250 Taking Francis out of the game would have been the right call.
2006-08-09 21:07:32
258.   natepurcell
Hurdle just threw a wrench in Joey's prophecy.
2006-08-09 21:07:49
259.   3upn3down
The best part of that Sac Bunt is that Lugo is not on base.
2006-08-09 21:08:08
260.   Steve
He's thrown 105 pitches, Jon. This was a classic Jim Tracy game. Managing the game they want to manage rather than the game as it occurs in front of them.
2006-08-09 21:08:16
261.   Rob M
I'm not crazy about that Lugo bunt - why give up and out with a running in scoring position? Especially a speedy guy like Furcal that will score on a single?
2006-08-09 21:08:25
262.   Bob Timmermann
Grudzielanek doubles and Sweeney doubles him home and the Royals rally for a 5-4 win.

Thousands jump off their roofs in New England.

2006-08-09 21:08:29
263.   Jon Weisman
Baseball's fastest bad baserunner is in.
2006-08-09 21:08:50
264.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
255 - The Dodgers draw all the A-list celebrities.
2006-08-09 21:09:03
265.   babber
2nd Lt. Hank Jones is relieved of duty
2006-08-09 21:09:39
266.   natepurcell
263

i thought lugo just sacrificed himself?

2006-08-09 21:09:54
267.   Jon Weisman
260 - I'm not saying Francis should have stayed in, I just don't think a big scoring opportunity was lost - in contrast to the bottom of the seventh.
2006-08-09 21:10:23
268.   3upn3down
If Furcal scores, 2nd Lt. Jones will be in line for the dishonorable discharge.
2006-08-09 21:10:40
269.   Jon Weisman
261 - Agree with you.
2006-08-09 21:10:42
270.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Ooh, just before MLB.tv went to break, you could hear the DS sound system playing The Beatles' ode to domestic violence:
"I used to be cruel to my woman.
I beat her, and kept her apart from the things that she loved."
2006-08-09 21:10:52
271.   natepurcell
Civil War!!!
2006-08-09 21:11:02
272.   JoeyP
Surely Loney wont GIDP.
Thats the only thing that will keep the Dodgers from scoring off this done pitcher.
2006-08-09 21:11:05
273.   Steve
261 -- No reason. Grittle is having a bad game. Overcoming the Stupid Bunt Rule is a tall order.
2006-08-09 21:11:21
274.   Gen3Blue
Do you guys out west get the Aflac ad with Yogi? It is such a pleasure.
Com on panama Seinz.
2006-08-09 21:11:33
275.   s choir
ooohhhh.... now what? let Loney bat?
2006-08-09 21:11:58
276.   Mr Customer
272 Never speak those words in public again.
2006-08-09 21:12:07
277.   Steve
He should have let Loney hit too. Geez. This is unbearable.
2006-08-09 21:12:09
278.   JoeyP
Is Hurdle going to let the Lefty face Saenz?

lol no way....

2006-08-09 21:12:14
279.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants have grounded into 5 DPs tonight in Arizona. They have only one more trip up so they can't break the major league record, which they hold already, of 7.
2006-08-09 21:12:21
280.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Shoulda let Hurdle make the move with his pitcher first.
2006-08-09 21:12:40
281.   s choir
nice move, Grits.
2006-08-09 21:12:45
282.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
In Vin's own way, he just called Tomato short and fat.
2006-08-09 21:13:35
283.   Mr Customer
Lets hope that Lofton does not have to practice the dark art of getting doubled up on the sac fly.
2006-08-09 21:14:03
284.   Steve
280 -- right
2006-08-09 21:14:06
285.   Bluebleeder87
The Dodgers draw all the A-list celebrities.

it must be really easy on the eyes Jon.

2006-08-09 21:14:13
286.   natepurcell
what a battle. The Panamanian civil war is fierce!
2006-08-09 21:14:15
287.   Mr Customer
283 ...He wrote, as second was promptly stolen.
2006-08-09 21:15:37
288.   Bluebleeder87
ouch that much have hurted
2006-08-09 21:15:41
289.   natepurcell
Lets go 'stache man.
2006-08-09 21:16:09
290.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Yeowch.
But watch Kent visit his grannie.
2006-08-09 21:16:49
291.   Rob M
i don't mind having Kent up here, thought the DP risk seems high.
2006-08-09 21:17:45
292.   natepurcell
wow. that was annoying.
2006-08-09 21:17:48
293.   Rob M
that was awful.
2006-08-09 21:19:10
294.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Nuts.
Now the LHP comes in to face Ethier.
2006-08-09 21:20:36
295.   JoeyP
Kent didnt last long.
2006-08-09 21:22:46
296.   Bob Timmermann
274

Yes, we get the AFLAC ad. We are also getting lots of "Standoff", which looks to be a show that would annoy me very much.

Are there really hostage negotiations that go on every week?

2006-08-09 21:31:00
297.   Gen3Blue
Couldn't take the suspense with Seinz up so I took a walk. Its midnight w/ a full moon. Still I managed to stub my toe twice getting out of the garage and driveway-- back and nothings decided yet. Its over
Lowe again.
I can't take much more, these streaks are tough on the psych.
Ethier might have had hin if Kent caught the ball.
Man,that was the kind of play that usually blows up on you, the gods are with us!
2006-08-09 21:31:16
298.   Uncle Miltie
Just as I walk in the door, Kent swings at the first pitch with bases loaded and pops up!
2006-08-09 21:31:55
299.   Uncle Miltie
Just as I walk in the door, Kent swings at the first pitch with bases loaded and pops up!
2006-08-09 21:32:19
300.   Steve
At least he went to Saito.
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2006-08-09 21:32:32
301.   Gen3Blue
Couldn't take the suspense with Seinz up so I took a walk. Its midnight w/ a full moon. Still I managed to stub my toe twice getting out of the garage and driveway-- back and nothings decided yet. Its over
Lowe again.
I can't take much more, these streaks are tough on the psych.
Ethier might have had hin if Kent caught the ball.
Man,that was the kind of play that usually blows up on you, the gods are with us!
2006-08-09 21:33:00
302.   Paul Scott
I am not sure I see the logic in pitching to Hawpe here.
2006-08-09 21:33:25
303.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The toaster was toasted there for a while.
2006-08-09 21:33:39
304.   Steve
302 - He's not pitching to Hawpe. He's going to strike Torrealba the hell out.
2006-08-09 21:34:01
305.   Johnny Nucleo
279 - Thanks - I was just wondering about what the record was, after last night's 5 DP (only 3 of which were GIDPs).
2006-08-09 21:34:04
306.   natepurcell
thanks for the defense julio.
2006-08-09 21:34:08
307.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Dang.
2006-08-09 21:34:35
308.   Steve
Oh Grittle. This one is yours and nobody's but yours.
2006-08-09 21:34:42
309.   regfairfield
That was some very uninspiring defense by Lugo.
2006-08-09 21:34:43
310.   Bob Timmermann
The checkered and yellow jerseys are slipping away ...
2006-08-09 21:34:59
311.   trainwreck
Once again I say Lugo is having a bad day and so is Grady.
2006-08-09 21:35:04
312.   Uncle Miltie
As much as I dislike Kent, he easily would have caught that. That was a horrible play by Lugo! Diving at a routine groundball?
2006-08-09 21:35:28
313.   Paul Scott
304 I expect he will, but too late.
2006-08-09 21:35:32
314.   Gen3Blue
And I've had it with this IP. I should cram this connection right into their truck.
Man that was one akward motion.
2006-08-09 21:35:50
315.   Steve
It could be Lugo's, but Grittle is the idiot that played Lugo, so it's still Grittle's.
2006-08-09 21:36:01
316.   Jon Weisman
Things fall apart, Bob.
2006-08-09 21:36:03
317.   regfairfield
All I can think of is Yakkity Sax.
2006-08-09 21:36:04
318.   Gen3Blue
And I've had it with this IP. I should cram this connection right into their truck.
Man that was one akward motion.
2006-08-09 21:36:13
319.   Bob Timmermann
And then that happened.
2006-08-09 21:36:25
320.   Paul Scott
Betemit, not Martin, screwed that up.
2006-08-09 21:36:26
321.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
AAAAAUGH!
2006-08-09 21:36:38
322.   Jon Weisman
Betemit waited too long to throw the ball.
2006-08-09 21:36:51
323.   regfairfield
Sadly, Derek Lowe is held responsible for both those runs.
2006-08-09 21:37:00
324.   Ken Arneson
314 The downtime was on the Toaster side, not yours...apologies
2006-08-09 21:37:02
325.   scooplew
For those of us not watching, what did/didn't Lugo do?
2006-08-09 21:37:12
326.   Gen3Blue
This happens when you have won 11. Stay cool guys.
2006-08-09 21:37:24
327.   babber
dang
2006-08-09 21:37:31
328.   D4P
Just as we all suspected: the returns of Messrs. Kent and Garciaparra would ruin everything.
2006-08-09 21:37:35
329.   Sam DC
My gameday looks nothing like Cheryl Tiegs.
2006-08-09 21:37:39
330.   dzzrtRatt
Wheels coming off.

They were "too hot not to cool down."

2006-08-09 21:37:56
331.   Bob Timmermann
If I were the official scorer, I would rule that a CS 2-5-E2.
2006-08-09 21:38:04
332.   Uncle Miltie
Betemit has Lugoitis
2006-08-09 21:38:08
333.   D4P
Sadly, Derek Lowe is held responsible for both those runs

Hopefully Carolyn can console him

2006-08-09 21:38:14
334.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
325 - On a grounder hit to his right, he sort of fell/hunched down before lurching/diving for the ball.
2006-08-09 21:38:25
335.   Gen3Blue
Lugo and Betemit wouldn't even be here in a logical world.
2006-08-09 21:38:44
336.   Gagne55
No, Kent and Lugo ruined everything. How did Lugo not make that play?! I h8 Lugo!!
2006-08-09 21:39:28
337.   Steve
Hey guys, THAT'S YORVIT TORREALBA WHY DON'T YOU JUST WORRY ABOUT STRIKING HIM THE HELL OUT INSTEAD OF YOUR LAME PARLOR TRICKS.
2006-08-09 21:39:30
338.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Martin-Repko-Betemit, then Furcal?
There's still hope.
2006-08-09 21:39:35
339.   scooplew
334 -- Thanks. And on the double steal, what transpired? (I know this is painful.)
2006-08-09 21:39:37
340.   Sam DC
Um, what does this mean: "With Yorvit Torrealba batting, Matt Holliday steals (6) home."

LAT is going to be disappointed he missed Cheryl Tiegs thoughts.

2006-08-09 21:39:37
341.   Bob Timmermann
No error on the play. Holliday is given a steal of home.
2006-08-09 21:39:55
342.   Slipstream
Betemit doesn't know how slow he is. He thought he could actually catch him.
2006-08-09 21:40:24
343.   Gagne55
If the Dodgers lose this one- and they will lose this one- then the Law of Negative Momentum will kick in and the Dodgers will fall at least 3 back. And as I write this, Martin makes an out.
2006-08-09 21:40:36
344.   Jon Weisman
Lugo is not a villain in this inning.
2006-08-09 21:41:31
345.   Gen3Blue
What is Lugo, an offensive shortstop, doing at second base. And tonight he has been offensive.
Betemit-hey guys do get to make mistakes occasionally.
2006-08-09 21:41:33
346.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
344 - True. 'Twas a team effort.
2006-08-09 21:41:34
347.   regfairfield
339 Attempted double steal, Holliday caught too far off third and Martin threw behind him. Betemit chased him to home, threw too late, and Martin, who was a little out of position, dropped the ball on the tag.
2006-08-09 21:42:04
348.   Nick Iyengar
344 Alex Cora would have caught that.
2006-08-09 21:42:26
349.   Bob Timmermann
For those of you following on Gameday, Hawpe broke to steal second. Martin faked the throw and went to third where Holliday had wandered off. Betemit chased Holliday home and then threw to Martin who couldn't handle the throw and Holliday was given a steal of home.
2006-08-09 21:42:33
350.   Sam DC
Thanks.
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2006-08-09 21:43:35
351.   D4P
For those of you following on Gameday

You can refer to us as "Los Pobres" or "Les Miserables"

2006-08-09 21:43:54
352.   scooplew
Thanks for the descriptions of the plays....Ouch!
2006-08-09 21:44:01
353.   Uncle Miltie
344- I don't think I've ever seen a play dive (fall) at a ball hit pretty much right at them. Betemit did a horrible job in the rundown too. His throw to Martin was way too late. Kent's worthless at bat with bases loaded didn't help matters.

The worst inning of the year?

2006-08-09 21:44:29
354.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
All good things must come to an end.
2006-08-09 21:44:50
355.   natepurcell
we'll start a new streak tomorrow.
2006-08-09 21:44:53
356.   stubbs
lugo not snaring a rocketed ground ball does not make him the villian. this game is on jeff kent.
2006-08-09 21:45:18
357.   regfairfield
353 Giving up five runs in the ninth?
2006-08-09 21:45:24
358.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Lowe's Game Score: 66.
2006-08-09 21:45:39
359.   JoeyP
Both teams really deserved to lose this game.

On the Dodgers side:
Lugo caught stealing home
Lowe not pinch hit for and then left in to even start the 9th
Stupid Bunter Principle
Ethier swinging 2-0 with the bases full and 2 outs

On the Rockies side:
Hurdle leaving Francis in way to long

Both managers deserve an L after tonite's performance.

2006-08-09 21:45:43
360.   trainwreck
Make bad decisions and you deserve to lose.
2006-08-09 21:45:59
361.   Steve
Grittle turned in a masterful Jim Tracy impersonation.
2006-08-09 21:46:01
362.   dzzrtRatt
Why not blame Grady Little for keeping Lowe in the game in the ninth. A sentimental call.
2006-08-09 21:46:10
363.   Gagne55
348 Any competent secondbaseman would have fielded that. And I would have pulled Lowe to start the inning. He got bailed out by a Furcal web gem, then had a three ball count on the pitcher. He was done.
2006-08-09 21:46:20
364.   Gen3Blue
What a division. The Rockies are now only 3 games from first, and Lowe is a loser again from the long ball.
2006-08-09 21:46:30
365.   Uncle Miltie
McCourt needs to put some restrictions on Ned:
A no trading with the Devil Rays policy should be the first thing on his list.

Bossman and Carl Crawford are exceptions.

2006-08-09 21:46:46
366.   Steve
No, no. The game is on JD Drew of course!
2006-08-09 21:47:04
367.   regfairfield
356 Getting caught stealing twice probably does, however.

Either way, we should just be happy to be in a position where this game means something.

2006-08-09 21:47:10
368.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
362 - Because the moment to pull Lowe came before the eighth inning. And Lowe got through the eighth 1-2-3.
2006-08-09 21:47:54
369.   dzzrtRatt
Man, I glommed onto the conventional wisdom mere seconds behind the curve.
2006-08-09 21:48:10
370.   Bob Timmermann
Oh why is this everybody's fault but mine?
2006-08-09 21:48:22
371.   Daniel Zappala
Betemit's first mistake: he chased the runner toward home. Second mistake: he thought he could run him down by himself. Third mistake: he pumped toward home, not sure if he should throw it, which slowed him down. Fourth mistake: he threw late to Martin, who dropped the ball trying to make the tag.

An all around bad play, but by then the Dodgers were down a run anyway. I was disappointed Kent swung at the first pitch.

Also, Ethier needs to learn to go the other way. He stepped toward first to pull a ball that was going on the outside corner. He should watch video of Helton stepping toward third and looping the ball down the line for a double in the ninth.

2006-08-09 21:48:35
372.   Steve
He mowed down Barmes, Sullivan, and Francis like nobody's business.
2006-08-09 21:48:41
373.   Jon Weisman
353 - "I don't think I've ever seen a play dive (fall) at a ball hit pretty much right at them."

You're lucky...

"The worst inning of the year?"

No way.

2006-08-09 21:48:45
374.   Gagne55
Well, when the homestand started, I said that 8-2 would be a success and at least that is still possible. =/
2006-08-09 21:49:11
375.   JoeyP
I think getting caught stealing at home plate, especially when the middle of the lineup is up, is grounds for a medium losing streak. Teams that make those types of mistakes, dont deserve to win.
2006-08-09 21:49:21
376.   Daniel Zappala
And here I thought I was going to be the good luck charm because I was out all night and the first batter I saw was Furcal leading off the 8th with a double to deep center.
2006-08-09 21:49:41
377.   Steve
The worst inning of the year was any one of the Seven Days In May
2006-08-09 21:50:43
378.   dzzrtRatt
I wasn't following the comments when Lugo attempted to steal home, but I liked that move.

(Ducking as Bill James Abstract launched at head.)

2006-08-09 21:51:12
379.   Gagne55
356 He missed it. It was just a step to his right. In fact he overdove it. His glove went beyond where the ball was. It was a routine play for any competent second baseman. And Lugo did not make it. I might have ruled it an error.
2006-08-09 21:51:24
380.   Uncle Miltie
Is Grits good friends with Clint Hurdle? Maybe he got so amped up that Hurdle was coming that he decided to do his best portrayal of Hurdle rather than manage the game.
2006-08-09 21:52:19
381.   Jon Weisman
375 - To me, that's the kind of comment a talkradio listener or Old School columnist makes. A team certainly deserves to win if it makes the plays to overcome its mistakes. Baseball isn't a morality play.
2006-08-09 21:52:32
382.   stubbs
also, agree with steve lyons post game comment regarding players playing out of position and switching around in the late innings causing problems.
2006-08-09 21:53:12
383.   Gagne55
Then there was Kent. The most embarrassing thing you can do as a hitter is pop up the first pitch of an at-bat.
2006-08-09 21:53:16
384.   Gen3Blue
This is no big deal ending a winning streak.
The only significant thing is in 365. No more trades with the Devil Rays. No matter what.(Even Carl, sorry:though I would like to have him dearly)
2006-08-09 21:54:05
385.   JoeyP
Joe Girardi is also infected with the Jim Tracy virus.

I was listening to ESPNNews today and they had a writer on that suggest Loria was pretty close to firing Girardi due to his baseball strategies.

At least Grits has been fairly good this year. Tonite might have been his worst game.

2006-08-09 21:54:18
386.   D4P
So, I guess various folks can shave and put their Dodger hats back on.
2006-08-09 21:54:19
387.   Steve
Was it more Hurdle than Tracy? It was a multi-faceted performance, I would say. The "Waste The Scoring Chance Late In The Game To Get Lowe A Complete Game" was very JT, but the "Bunt With A Runner At Second And No Outs For No Discernable Reason With A Tiring Pitcher And The Heart Of The Lineup Coming Up" was extremely Clint, though, of course, it's hard not to give JT his proper due for that strategy.
2006-08-09 21:55:03
388.   Gen3Blue
We should be breaking young players into positions they will play for 2000 games. Not playing people out of position.
2006-08-09 21:55:25
389.   Gagne55
Worst inning of the year was either Lance Carter blowing a 5 run ninth inning lead in San Deigo or Danys Baez blowing a 3 run save in San Francisco and getting the loss.
2006-08-09 21:56:07
390.   Jon Weisman
379 - Lugo is a competent infielder, so obviously it was a little less than routine.

New post up top.

2006-08-09 21:56:25
391.   ddger
Looking at the replay, Hawpe seemed to go out of the baseline on that rundown. Shouldn't the umpire call Hawpe out.
2006-08-09 21:56:33
392.   JoeyP
Who gets credit for the CS'ing of home plate?

That brought back memories of Robles/Izzy terrorizing the base pads to a tune of 8/24 success rate.

2006-08-09 21:56:36
393.   Steve
Grittle does not need to compound Flanders' mistake by pretending that there is a place for Lugo on this team. There is no place for him on this team, and he should not be playing. The only reason to play him is, again, to gratify the egos in the Dodger organization, which is not a sufficient reason.
2006-08-09 21:57:55
394.   Suffering Bruin
I am to blame. I had one of those "feelings" that it might be lucky if I didn't post tonight so I take full responsibility for this loss. :)

FWIW, I thought Lugo made a good decision on the steal of home. Vin Scully rarely misses a call but he did tonight--Francis didn't make a great "pitch" to get Lugo, he made a great play. Francis stepped off the rubber and fired a perfect throw to get Lugo.

I'll be very interested to see how the boys react to this tomorrow.

2006-08-09 21:58:32
395.   Gagne55
387 Tracy loves the bunt in that situation, even with guys like Antonio Perez who don't know how to bunt. Very Jim Tracy.
2006-08-09 21:59:21
396.   JoeyP
How is it ever a good decision to attempt to steal home, when there's only 1 out and the middle of the order is up?
2006-08-09 21:59:36
397.   stubbs
393-Who should play 3b against lefties then? certainly not betemit. i understand the saenz argument, but that weakens our bench and could wear the big guy out.
2006-08-09 21:59:45
398.   dzzrtRatt
381 "Baseball isn't a morality play."

If mere fans can influence the outcome of games by sitting on the wrong end of the sofa, then you have to figure at some level morality plays into it, too. Unless you're a nihilist.

2006-08-09 22:00:17
399.   Gagne55
390 Yes, but he wasn't competent on that play. Even gold glovers make errors occasionally. And that was an unforgiveable misplay.
2006-08-09 22:02:02
400.   dzzrtRatt
396 It's a good decision, or I should say a calculated risk, if you think an inexperienced pitcher isn't paying attention and will come to the plate too slowly. Especially if that pitcher is pitching as well as Francis was. You "manufacture runs" when you can't score them the regular way.
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2006-08-09 22:02:47
401.   JoeyP
I'd rather Saenz weaken the bench, than Lugo weaken the team playing.
2006-08-09 22:04:00
402.   underdog
New comment up top, and feeling lonely. (Not Loney.)

But, wow, it didn't take long for the griping to begin! Some bad things happened this game, yep, absolutely. Was bound to happen sooner or later. I'll take an 11 and 1 streak. Go get 'em tomorrow.

2006-08-09 22:04:18
403.   Jon Weisman
399 - Gagne55, can I ask you to dial down the hyperbole a little, please?
2006-08-09 22:07:11
404.   JoeyP
You "manufacture runs" when you can't score them the regular way.

There's no defending this.
It was an awful decision to attempt to steal home with only 1 out, considering the middle of the lineup is up.

You're basically saying that Lugo had a better chance to steal home, than the Dodger hitters had of making contact against Francis. Thats completely a wrongful judgement. How many K's did Francis have tonite? Not many. I think its much more logical to expect a hitter to make contact, than to attempt to steal home.

Its not like the Dodgers werent making contact against Francis. He was giving up plenty of fly balls.

2006-08-09 22:07:54
405.   Uncle Miltie
387- Jimbo likes to talk about bunting but during the game, he isn't a big fan of it. That is, as long the hitter isn't Hee Seop Choi or JD Drew.
400- only Carl Crawford can do it (and should be allowed to do it). Carl Crawford is probably the fastest man in baseball and he's a great baserunner. Lugo's just fast (but not Crawford fast).

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