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2006-08-13 10:13
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

I shelled half a bag of peanuts left over from Saturday's game at the kitchen sink this morning.

Turns out, that's a much more interesting activity to do at the ballpark.

My team has run a cost-benefits analysis of the effort, and the results are not encouraging.

* * *

Ex-Dodger infielder Willy Aybar is headed for the Atlanta disabled list with a broken hand, according to The Associated Press. (Thanks to Andrew Shimmin for the pointer.) Aybar reportedly hurt the hand in his first game with the Braves and tried to play through it. Once a Dodger, always a Dodger.

* * *

Tonight's Game

Comments (505)
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2006-08-13 10:19:14
1.   Andrew Shimmin
Why do they salt the shells? Nobody eats the shells, right? So why salt them?
2006-08-13 10:21:49
2.   Jon Weisman
I've eaten whole peanuts, shell and all. It's a different sensation ...
2006-08-13 10:25:48
3.   Andrew Shimmin
That makes my skin crawl. Really, just the thought of unshelled peanuts bothers me. I don't like the way they feel. It's not as strong as my aversion to newspapers but a little bit stronger than the one I have to velvet.

I watched the Aviator last night.

2006-08-13 10:28:44
4.   Bob Timmermann
I would think unshelled peanuts would be a good source of fiber. Maybe a little too good.

But I watched "Inside Man" last night. I was disappointed a bit.

2006-08-13 10:30:29
5.   D4P
Newspaper feel horrible.
2006-08-13 10:31:34
6.   underdog
How do they get the salt on the peanut itself when the shell is still on, is what I want to know... Do they inject them? Grow them with salt?
2006-08-13 10:32:03
7.   underdog
I watched Tristram Shandy and also the Best of Triump the Insult Comic Dog, and was not disappointed by either.
2006-08-13 10:32:20
8.   underdog
Triumph, that is.

Harump.

2006-08-13 10:40:40
9.   spacebrother
6

Evil recombinant DNA scientists, rubbing their hands with despicable glee, have tweaked the salt gene to abominable levels.

Or perhaps they just boil the peanuts in salted water.

2006-08-13 10:43:39
10.   Disabled List
I'm allergic to this thread.
2006-08-13 11:01:17
11.   Linkmeister
My theory is that peanuts taste better at the stadium because the arena offers an expectation of peanut ingestion as well as a sporting event. Along the same lines, I can't imagine eating cotton candy anywhere but at a fair.

My application for an NEA grant to further study this phenomenon is pending.

2006-08-13 11:03:09
12.   Bob Timmermann
Cleveland rolled an 11 in the first inning at home versus the Royals.
2006-08-13 11:05:08
13.   Bob Timmermann
I've never eaten cotton candy. Primarily because my mother told me I wouldn't like it, so I agreed with her.

When my brother and I took his son to Disneyland, my nephew asked for cotton candy. So we tried the same approach, "You won't like it. We don't like it."

He was not dissuaded. He got his cotton candy. I think he said he liked it to just to spite us.

2006-08-13 11:05:22
14.   Linkmeister
For whatever reason, boiled peanuts are relatively big out here. Apparently that's a Southern thing.

http://tinyurl.com/fq8e4

We're South, alright, but not in the antebellum way.

2006-08-13 11:06:21
15.   ToyCannon
I can't think of eating Funnel Cake anywhere but at the fair but if I left the fair without eating some Funnel Cake it would be the 1st time.
2006-08-13 11:09:02
16.   D4P
14
Yeah, I think boiled peanuts are a Southern thing. They're also disgusting.

You do the math.

2006-08-13 11:10:24
17.   Icaros
I had boiled peanuts in South Carolina about ten years ago.

It was like eating someone else's snot.

2006-08-13 11:12:06
18.   Benaiah
My fantasy team has Travis Hafner and Johnny Peralta, so I got 3 runs, 4 rbi and a home run out of that inning. Not bad.

In other news, my buddy got 7th in the WSOP main event for a 2.4 million dollar payday... which is more or less what Chris Moneymaker got 3 years ago for winning the whole thing.

2006-08-13 11:19:38
19.   Icaros
Newspaper feel horrible.

I knew three brothers whose parents went away for two weeks and the guys spent all of the money left for them on beer. After week one, they were out of toilet paper, so they had to use junk mail instead.

You'd literally hear, "Hey man, did the mail come yet? I have to take a..."

2006-08-13 11:19:59
20.   Eric Stephen
12 Cleveland's 11-run first featured Travis Hafner's record-tying 6th grand slam of the season, no?
2006-08-13 11:25:07
21.   dagwich
16,17 -- As my native NC friend says to me every so often, "You don't know what's good". Boiled peanuts are great, especially if purchaed from someone who pronounces them "balled peanuts."
2006-08-13 11:31:19
22.   Bob Timmermann
20

I can only type so fast.

2006-08-13 11:32:42
23.   StolenMonkey86
21 - like Grady Little?
2006-08-13 11:33:47
24.   D4P
If Hafner keeps this up, he just might be good enough to be an All-Star® someday...
2006-08-13 11:34:39
25.   StolenMonkey86
20 - from the mlb.com headline

Travis Hafner connected for his sixth grand slam of the season Saturday against the Kansas City Royals, becoming just the second person to accomplish the feat.

2006-08-13 11:36:27
26.   Icaros
They also have barbecue sauce in South Carolina that looks exactly like French's yellow mustard.

And the barbecue sauce in North Carolina goes by the name of vinegar in most parts of the country.

2006-08-13 11:37:24
27.   dagwich
23 -- He would be great, tho he speaks way too clearly. Maybe someone from a Coen brothers movie would be better.
2006-08-13 11:37:42
28.   StolenMonkey86
the article had a typo and meant Sunday
2006-08-13 11:40:58
29.   D4P
26
Ugh. The Carolina style barbecue sauce is disgusting.
2006-08-13 11:41:21
30.   underdog
How did Travis Hafner not make the all star game again? Oh yes, the silly rule about every team having a representative... It's amazing that 6 grand slams in one season merely ties the record.
2006-08-13 11:47:01
31.   dagwich
29 -- D4P, which Carolina BBQ sauce do you mean? You've got your western (tomato based) and eastern (vinegar based). Discussion of this type around here is roughly analogous to northern vs southern Californians arguing water use policy.
2006-08-13 11:48:23
32.   Disabled List
I used to think mustard-based BBQ sauce was an unholy abomination, but I've come around on that. Done right, it's pretty good stuff.
2006-08-13 11:51:42
33.   D4P
31
I like the western (tomato based) and despise the eastern (vinegar based).
2006-08-13 11:59:19
34.   dagwich
33 - Done right, they both are great. For health reasons I sadly only get to eat BBQ a few times a year. The best eastern BBQ IMO is at Wilber's in Goldsboro on US 70, and for western any of the small places in Lexington.
2006-08-13 12:00:54
35.   Andrew Shimmin
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "President" of Iran, blogger. There's a flag dealy up under the title bar that translates the page in to English.

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

2006-08-13 12:01:10
36.   D4P
34
We only eat BBQ a few times a year as well, usually during the summer. We go to Q-Shack, over by Nana's.
2006-08-13 12:08:42
37.   Linkmeister
35 I like the links in the sidebar:

www.khamenei.ir
www.leader.ir
www.president.ir
www.irna.ir
www.irib.ir

Yo, NSA? We're kidding!

2006-08-13 12:12:16
38.   Benaiah
36 - Q-Shack has the best brisket I have ever had. I miss Q-shack, delicious!
2006-08-13 12:12:44
39.   dagwich
36 -- Locally I agree the Q-shack is great. I also like the BBQ Joint on Mt. Sinai Rd and Allen and Sons on 86.

Anybody interested in BBQ can find dozens of threads on the chowhound.com boards.

2006-08-13 12:20:10
40.   D4P
I don't think I've tried the brisket, but I think my wife ordered it once. I'm sure I tried some of hers, and probably liked it. I usually get pulled chicken or turkey.

The only other BBQ spot we've tried is Bullock's, which we didn't particularly like. We did get a chuckle, though, over their listing of stuff like "Mac n' cheese" and "French fries" under "Vegetables".

2006-08-13 12:24:24
41.   Greg S
Funny how often the the talk turns to food in here around 12:00.
2006-08-13 12:25:16
42.   Bob Timmermann
Ooh, I took the Plaschke bait again this morning. It was filled with extra sanctimony. I think it may have exceeded the RDA for sanctimoniousness.
2006-08-13 12:29:48
43.   D4P
42
Regarding RDA: are we supposed to get between zero and the RDA of particular substances, without going over, or are we supposed to get exactly the RDA, without going over?

For example, if I look at the RDA for a particular vitamin, I would assume that I should get that much every day. However, if I look at the RDA for saturated fat, I would think I would probably be better off getting less than that, rather than as much as the RDA suggests.

Any thoughts...?

2006-08-13 12:30:52
44.   Greg Brock
42 First Kelvin Kim leaves the basketball team, and now Andrew Baumgartner loses his scholarship. Just what does UCLA think it's doing, trying to replace folk heroes with actual quality recruits. The nerve of those people.
2006-08-13 12:30:57
45.   spacebrother
I had some pretty good BBQ yesterday at the Handy Market in Burbank on Magnolia. They were outside in the parking lot with fans blowing the smoke out into the street. Just evil.
2006-08-13 12:31:35
46.   Andrew Shimmin
How many column inches do 1600 words take up, when structured in one sentence paragraphs?
2006-08-13 12:40:49
47.   Greg Brock
You can almost picture the guy sitting at his laptop, with the little smirk of self satisfaction, saying "Yeah, I really nailed 'em right there. Good job, me." It's so transparent. But hey, the best sports page in America died years ago anyway.
2006-08-13 12:42:12
48.   D4P
47
I thought Plaschke hated laptops...
2006-08-13 12:43:14
49.   Icaros
Plaschke is crack, and we are the homeless.
2006-08-13 12:43:50
50.   Bob Timmermann
Plaschke's view of local sports:
UCLA football - Doesn't care for little guys
USC football - Players aren't nice enough anymore
Dodgers - Best pitcher is selfish
Lakers - Best player is a coward
Angels - Blessed by God and every person associated with the team is a saint
Kings, Ducks - Unsure, but he thinks ice is inolved
Sasha Cohen (the skater) - Greatest choker in the history of sports
Clippers - Who are they?
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2006-08-13 12:44:17
51.   Andrew Shimmin
Baez is with a three run lead. This can only end well.
2006-08-13 12:47:39
52.   Bob Timmermann
Meanwhile, in Tim Brown's column today in the Times:

Brad Penny wouldn't give up No. 31, so Greg Maddux is wearing No. 36. Somehow, Armageddon is averted. We see that numbers are important for some players. We just don't understand why. Comfortable in, all right. Familiar with, OK. Trimming, get it. Important? Move along….

2006-08-13 12:47:51
53.   Greg Brock
50 Plaschke needs to stick to articles where he's writing about a 16 year old boy, born without a head or legs, who makes the high school tennis team. That's his bread and butter.
2006-08-13 12:49:29
54.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals are in serious danger of being swept in a 3-game series in Pittsburgh. They're down 4-0 in the 7th.
2006-08-13 12:50:29
55.   Andrew Shimmin
CMC goes 1,2,3.
2006-08-13 12:56:04
56.   Greg Brock
I see that it's Alternate Uniform Day in Atlanta. Road teams wearing solids...My head is going to explode.
2006-08-13 13:01:41
57.   Marty
If you want good BBQ in L.A. (and yes, some think there's no such thing) go to J n J's on Adams just east of Fairfax. Perfectly smoked pork ribs, with a sauce that has just enough heat in it.
2006-08-13 13:11:18
58.   s choir
49 Well said.
2006-08-13 13:19:04
59.   Greg Brock
Over at Primer, they have an article in which Mike Lupica asserts that Mariano Rivera may be the most valuable Yankee in history.

Discuss.

2006-08-13 13:23:20
60.   Bob Timmermann
To get the full Mike Lupica effect, read the article aloud at high volume with a very noticeable New York accent.
2006-08-13 13:27:05
61.   Greg Brock
Russ Ortiz sighting in Boston.
2006-08-13 13:27:44
62.   Greg Brock
And that was quick.
2006-08-13 13:34:12
63.   overkill94
44 Heh, I used to work with Baumgartner in Ackerman at UCLA. Nice guy, though i was always surprised that he actually played on the football team. I had a chemistry lab with him too. Oh yeah, and he's color blind.
2006-08-13 13:35:18
64.   thinkblue0
it's really too bad that the Astros can't score runs.
2006-08-13 13:42:15
65.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals were swept by the Pirates. If the Reds hold on in Philadelphia, they move to 1 1/2 games out.
2006-08-13 13:45:25
66.   Greg Brock
Dodgers win today, and they're only .5 back of St. Louis for second best record in the "not mediocre at all" NL.
2006-08-13 13:51:05
67.   trainwreck
Is there anyone that actually likes Bill Plaschke, including his family?
2006-08-13 13:51:35
68.   Bob Timmermann
The Phillies caught the Reds at 5-5 in the ninth and there's free baseball in the City of Brotherly Love.
2006-08-13 13:54:32
69.   Disabled List
I'd love to see the Reds win the Central, and let St. Louis take the wild card. I'm thinking way too far ahead here, but it would be real nice not to have to face the Cards in the first round.

I can't be thinking about stuff like this yet. Win the division first, win the division first, win the division first...

2006-08-13 13:57:59
70.   StolenMonkey86
Lineup:

Furcal
Lofton
Nomar
Kent
Ethier
Betemit
Lugo - RF
Martin

2006-08-13 13:58:48
71.   Bob Timmermann
If you're hoping that the Reds wins the NL Central, can I interest you in a time share in a lovely condo in Redding as well?
2006-08-13 13:59:45
72.   Benaiah
69 - I would love to have the Cards not make the playoffs at all. While we're at it... No Yanks or White Sox either (I can't stand Ozzie Guillen). But I would trade all of that for the Dodgers getting in.
2006-08-13 14:00:42
73.   Vaudeville Villain
Those first three sentences of the new Plaschke thing are among the worst examples of prose I've ever read.
2006-08-13 14:01:16
74.   Bob Timmermann
Good thing Lugo gets to go out into the sun field in his first start in right field. Little must be hoping that Maddux gets a lot of grounders.
2006-08-13 14:12:16
75.   trainwreck
Lugo must hate Grady Little.
2006-08-13 14:22:56
76.   Jon Weisman
63 - I tip my hat to a color-blind chemist. Those pH papers, or whatever they were, destroyed me in high school.
2006-08-13 14:24:04
77.   das411
Dunno if you guys have seen it already but there is a nice article in the local paper down here about Jae W Seo:

http://tinyurl.com/kumyq

Sounds like his buddy Dioner is helping him out quite a bit, all the Rays need is an offense...

2006-08-13 14:28:55
78.   Paul Scott
Sounds like his buddy Dioner is helping him out quite a bit, all the Rays need is an offense...

A few more trades with Colletti and they should be set.

2006-08-13 14:30:15
79.   s choir
Does anyone know if Toby Hall is injured? He got banged up pretty bad on Friday, and Martin replaced him in the 9th inning. Then on Saturday they sign Einar Diaz to a minor league deal. Sounds suspicious.
2006-08-13 14:30:49
80.   Greg Brock
The Natti defeats the Phils 7-5.
2006-08-13 14:34:08
81.   overkill94
76 The only time we used pH papers was when we were making sure the liquid we poured out wasn't too acidic to go down the drain. I remember doing a lot of pipetting in that lab and not much else.
2006-08-13 14:37:32
82.   regfairfield
So, Plaschke is upset because they took away a scholarship from someone who wasn't any good, and knew that they were going to take away his scholarship?
2006-08-13 14:38:35
83.   scooplew
67 -- It's clear that Bill Plaschke's columns are disliked by many people who post on this site. Fair enough. But the comment "Is there anyone that actually likes Bill Plaschke, including his family?" is over the top. Criticize his columns, but let's not make personal attacks. As a matter of fact, when I worked at the Times, I found Bill to be a likeable, pleasant person. That doesn't mean I agree with everything he writes, either.
2006-08-13 14:40:17
84.   Underbruin
Okay, time to ask for help from the varied geniuses of DodgerThoughts -

I normally live on the east coast, but am taking a vacation in L.A. I just got into town, and talking with my father today he mentioned he wouldn't mind going to a baseball game. I don't think I've seen a Dodger game live with him for more than a decade, so I was hoping to get to a good one. Also, Greg Maddux has always been one of his favorite pitchers. I think you may be seeing where I'm going with this.

Is it still possible, at this late hour, to snag tickets? I'm worried that we'd make the drive to the stadium and not find a couple of seats if we tried to get scalped tickets (it's like a 60-90 minute drive from where we are, depending on the traffic). Suggestions?

2006-08-13 14:40:30
85.   overkill94
83 I think he meant "does anyone like Plaschke's columns, including his family". I doubt his hatred for him goes to the personal level.
2006-08-13 14:41:31
86.   Underbruin
82 - That's not entirely fair. Baumgartner's not great, but he's not super terrible (he finished, umm, I want to say 6th on the team in receiving?). It's just the team had a solid recruiting season and brought in a bunch of new players, so made the decision to pull his scholie.
2006-08-13 14:44:13
87.   Greg Brock
Marlins up 4-1 in Arizona.
2006-08-13 14:47:48
88.   Bluebleeder87
Then on Saturday they sign Einar Diaz

the first thing that comes to mind about Einar Diaz is his funky swing.

2006-08-13 14:49:33
89.   Greg Brock
87 Make that 4-2, thanks to Luis Gonzalez.
2006-08-13 14:55:56
90.   Linkmeister
So, all-time Dodgers web gems, including Brooklyn, on ESPN's Baseball Tonight this afternoon/evening.

I'm pickin' Amoros's catch of Yogi's fly ball in 1955, Gionfriddo's catch in an earlier NY-Brooklyn Series, and I'm open for other suggestions.

2006-08-13 14:56:47
91.   trainwreck
UCLA did not even have to give him a scholarship for a year in the first place. They rewarded him for his good play.
2006-08-13 14:57:40
92.   Big Game
90. Repko's crashing in to the wall against the Rockies last year.
2006-08-13 14:57:48
93.   Greg Brock
90 LoDuca's sliding catch into the dugout will surely be there.
2006-08-13 14:59:08
94.   Marty
2-1 They show Monday's flag grab as a web gem.
2006-08-13 14:59:14
95.   trainwreck
83
I wasn't being serious.
2006-08-13 15:00:22
96.   Linkmeister
93 Right, forgot that one. Didn't somebody at ESPN call that the best catcher's defensive play of all time?
2006-08-13 15:02:29
97.   Bob Timmermann
Brian Baumgartner was 10th in receptions for UCLA last year. He caught 6 passes for 111 yards and 1 TD.
2006-08-13 15:03:28
98.   Marty
Mondesi gunning someone down at first may make it too.
2006-08-13 15:03:53
99.   trainwreck
OJ Mayo is supposed to officially announce he is going to USC today.
2006-08-13 15:04:02
100.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry, Andrew Baumgartner.
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2006-08-13 15:05:15
101.   Paul Scott
The Cubs somehow managed to score a bunch of runs and beat Colorado.

Though Dempster did all he could to make it an interesting finish.

2006-08-13 15:10:55
102.   scooplew
95 -- OK. Thanks for clearing it up.
2006-08-13 15:12:22
103.   Vishal
[56] i LOVE alternate uniforms. they're almost always better looking than the normal uniforms.
2006-08-13 15:12:58
104.   Andrew Shimmin
Josh Rawitch thinks Plaschke's, "truly one of the best writers in the country."
2006-08-13 15:16:24
105.   Bluebleeder87
and I'm open for other suggestions.

Mondesi's arm has to be in there no?

2006-08-13 15:16:30
106.   Underbruin
97 - He's 6th amongst wide receivers, sorry. Mercedes Lewis is a tight end, and Chris Markey and Maurice Drew are tailbacks (Michael Pitre, a fullback, has more receptions but fewer total receiving yards).
2006-08-13 15:17:11
107.   Underbruin
106 - Gah, that's wrong too. He's 5th. Ryan Moya's a tight end as well.
2006-08-13 15:17:16
108.   Bluebleeder87
LoDuca's sliding catch into the dugout will surely be there.

yeah that's a no brainer.

2006-08-13 15:19:02
109.   Bluebleeder87
Mondesi gunning someone down at first may make it too.

I remember that one like it was yesterday.

ps darn Mondesi robbed us all of what could have been.

2006-08-13 15:21:08
110.   Bluebleeder87
Josh Rawitch thinks Plaschke's, "truly one of the best writers in the country."

pigs are flying out of my ass at the present time.

2006-08-13 15:26:44
111.   twerp
Could someone more knowledgeable than I (that wouldn't take a whole lot) explain why MLB did away with the game winning RBI stat?

Seems like they started using it about the same time giving relievers credit for Holds began. Yet GWRBI is gone...???

2006-08-13 15:29:14
112.   Greg Brock
111 Bob, twerp on line 2...Bob, twerp on line 2.
2006-08-13 15:30:09
113.   D4P
111
Good point. If you're gonna get rid of GWRBI, you should get rid of other "stats" like Wins, Losses, etc.
2006-08-13 15:31:51
114.   Bob Timmermann
The GWRBI was eliminated because a lot of times it went to a guy who drove in a run in the first inning. It was given to the player who drove in the run that gave his team a lead that it would never relinquish. It turned that most of the time, baseball games work this way. Team A goes ahead. Team A stays ahead. Team B may get close, but Team A wins.

It was envisioned that it would identify the mythical clutch hitter. What it instead identified was the top RBI guy on teams that had good W-L records.

Hockey still has a game-winning goal stat doesn't it? And isn't it given to the player who scores the goal that is the one that creats the difference in the score, e.g., in a 5-3 game, the guy who scores goal #4 is credited with the game-winner.

2006-08-13 15:33:52
115.   bigcpa
84 Underbruin if you're still online... head for Elysian Park off of Sunset and you'll find tons of scalpers.
2006-08-13 15:34:48
116.   GoBears
111. Because it's meaningless. It was merely an accounting note in any case (the GWRBI could come in the first inning, after all), and because every run is worth the same, there's nothing particularly important about the one that puts your team ahead to stay.

Now, if only they'd jettison runs, RBIs, batting average, CS% for cathers, wins/losses for pitchers, the save, the hold, and errors, people might be willing to think a little harder about what really measures quality.

But I'm not holding my breath.

2006-08-13 15:35:11
117.   Bob Timmermann
115

And those scalpers on that street are some of the kindest, warmest gentlemen you will ever have the pleasure of doing business with.

2006-08-13 15:39:26
118.   Bob Timmermann
All-time leader in GWRBI is Keith Hernandez with 129.

Kirk Gibson got the GWRBI in five straight games for the Tigers in 1986.

The NL record for consecutive games with the GWRBI is four by Johnny Ray, Milt Thompson, and Ozzie Smith.

Alan Wiggins played 158 games in 1984 and had no GWRBI, the most games played in a season during the GWRBI era without one. That was what really caused Wiggins premature death.

2006-08-13 15:39:32
119.   GoBears
116 er, "catchers." Not sure what a cather is.
2006-08-13 15:40:23
120.   GoBears
119. Talking to myself, there was Willa Cather, but I'm not sure if she had a CS%.
2006-08-13 15:40:32
121.   bigcpa
117 Racist!
2006-08-13 15:44:01
122.   Bob Timmermann
121

It's a multiethnic group from my experience. The scalpers are all unified by one thing: being very intimidating.

2006-08-13 15:46:52
123.   Woody
How about catheters?
2006-08-13 15:47:23
124.   GoBears
123. No thank you. You go ahead.
2006-08-13 15:49:12
125.   Greg Brock
103 Blasphemy. Home whites, road grays, no solids on the road. This is not Nam, Smokey. There are rules. ;)

The Royals get a pass if they wear those awesome light blue road unis. I miss those.

2006-08-13 15:54:05
126.   trainwreck
Anyone else excited to hear Tony Kornheiser on MNF tomorrow? Not to mention, my Raiders are also playing.
2006-08-13 15:55:49
127.   spacebrother
I was there for that Lo Duca catch. It's weird when you actually experience a cliche like "I couldn't believe my eyes." I thought he just fell in the dugout and missed the ball. When he came out with it in his glove, the stadium went silent for a second, and went nuts. I think most of us missed the next inning recovering from the shock.
2006-08-13 15:58:54
128.   spacebrother
Another one of those plays and everyone will forget about his gambling problems, though not necessarily his (estranged) wife.
2006-08-13 15:59:21
129.   twerp
119 Thanks for clearing that up.

I first read cathers as "catheters."

CS% for catheters....yeah, that'd be a really interesting stat...

2006-08-13 16:03:27
130.   Bluebleeder87
It's a multiethnic group from my experience.

very true.

2006-08-13 16:06:39
131.   Bluebleeder87
Orel Hershiser knows pitching!
2006-08-13 16:09:32
132.   Greg Brock
6-3 Marlins in Arizona. Top of the ninth.
2006-08-13 16:12:08
133.   Bluebleeder87
I thought it was the top 5 plays of all time from any given team? the guy from ESPN said the top three of all time, WHAT?
2006-08-13 16:12:57
134.   trainwreck
It is top 3 for each team.

Top 5 web gems of the day.

2006-08-13 16:16:16
135.   twerp
114 116
But was there ever any thought given to stuff like saying GWRBI had to come from, say, the 7th inning on or else not be awarded?

Or other tinkering in order to be able to reward things like Betemit's blast Saturday? (Yeah, I know, that was the 5th inning. But it broke a tie at 4, yada, yada..)

Or was GWRBI just discarded on the (pause for effect)... scrap heap of history with no attempt to make it more relevant?

2006-08-13 16:19:17
136.   trainwreck
Apparently OJ Mayo cancelled his press conference.
2006-08-13 16:27:05
137.   Jon Weisman
This will be the game chat thread.
2006-08-13 16:29:04
138.   Greg Brock
6-5 Marlins, one out, one on in the ninth. Joe Borowski is not getting a job done.
2006-08-13 16:29:44
139.   Greg Brock
Carlos Quentin up with two out. He is very good.
2006-08-13 16:30:29
140.   Gen3Blue
Can anyone nail this--
--"Role me a bummer Catherwood, and leave it on the side table."
Are we really getting Joe Morgan for the game tonight. We're beat, how do we deserve this luck! I hope I'm wrong but back east for many years I'm used to losing games to the cloying remarks of a biased Morgan.
2006-08-13 16:30:49
141.   Greg Brock
Game over. 6-5 Marlins. Yay underwater pointy vertebrates!
2006-08-13 16:36:38
142.   Uncle Miltie
136- has he decided that he doesn't want to go college? I'm sure USC could make special arrangement for him, so he doesn't have to go to class.

Is there any reason why Grits feels the need to get Lugo's bat in the lineup? It's still early, but it looks like I was completely wrong about him. He's shown nice on base skills, but his power has been completely nonexistent.

2006-08-13 16:36:41
143.   Bluebleeder87
#3 is a jip! Gibby sliped! that's the only reason why he dove for the ball.
2006-08-13 16:39:21
144.   Bluebleeder87
I'm used to losing games to the cloying remarks of a biased Morgan.

biased is totally right, don't they have the other Giant announcer, Miller I think.

2006-08-13 16:39:58
145.   trainwreck
142
Who knows what is going on with OJ Mayo. He is a NCAA violation waiting to happen. He drives around in an Escalade.
2006-08-13 16:41:33
146.   trainwreck
I just saw the end of Alien Vs Predator. Ridley Scott, James Cameron and John McTiernan must be rolling in their graves.
2006-08-13 16:41:57
147.   Underbruin
115 - I think we're going to try for a game later in the week. Less hassle. Thanks for the help anyway, though, bigcpa.
2006-08-13 16:42:38
148.   Greg Brock
145 His presser has been moved to tomorrow.
2006-08-13 16:44:18
149.   Greg Brock
146 McTiernan just better be happy to be out of director's jail after Rollerball.
2006-08-13 16:44:39
150.   Bob Timmermann
146
I would assume Monday night's game wouldn't be a problem. Wednesday is a day game.
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2006-08-13 16:45:31
151.   Vaudeville Villain
142-

Why would you think Julio Lugo would show power? He's never hit more than 15 home runs in a year before, and has finished seasons with totals as low as 6. I'm sort of curious.

2006-08-13 16:46:08
152.   Linkmeister
I think the Gibson catch was a "make nice" for Orel. I'd bet Willie Davis made a few that could have been ahead of it.

OTOH, it wasn't till the, what, 1970s that there were tv cameras at regular season ballgames on a regular basis? It may be that film is hard to come by.

2006-08-13 16:46:45
153.   trainwreck
He kind of is in director's jail.
2006-08-13 16:46:53
154.   Uncle Miltie
145- I'm still amazed how USC was able to get him. I guess it's because their biggest competition for him was Kansas State. There's no way he'd be eligible to play if the season started today. USC is going to have to hire some special tutors to "help" him attain an SAT score of 800. I know they've made arrangements to make certain football players eligible.
2006-08-13 16:47:03
155.   thinkingblue
The dodgers have Chad on a short leash. WHY?

If they replace him with Sele because Chad doesn't go deep into games, that's a hipocracy, Sele is even worse at that, and doesn't prevent runs like Chad does.

Terrible, that better not happen.

2006-08-13 16:49:31
156.   Greg Brock
153 He and Martin Brest are tunneling through Shawshank with Andy's rock hammer as we speak.
2006-08-13 16:49:40
157.   Vaudeville Villain
155-

It hasn't happened yet, hopefully it's just a ploy to get Chad throwing more strikes or something.

2006-08-13 16:49:49
158.   trainwreck
154
Sonny Viccaro basically convinced him to go USC because of the big LA market and because he would be the biggest star the university has ever had. The shoe companies play a huge role in where a kid goes to school.
2006-08-13 16:50:40
159.   Uncle Miltie
151- power doesn't mean just hitting home runs; I'm talking about all extra base hits. Lugo is showing almost no ability to drive the ball. When you mature as a hitter, some of those long doubles turn into home runs. Lugo has 20 home run type power. This is his 6th year in the majors, he's entering his prime right now (despite being 30 years old)
2006-08-13 16:51:49
160.   trainwreck
156
Gigli was a group effort of garbage.
2006-08-13 16:52:33
161.   Big Game
158.

I dont know about that. Vaccaro works for adidas and wouldve been more likely to steer Mayo towards UCLA, rather than a Nike school.

2006-08-13 16:57:04
162.   trainwreck
161
It's because he will have a bigger profile coming out of LA. Reebok wants him to have as huge a profile as possible, when he leaves college. UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky were never options, so he went with the big football school in a huge media market. Sonny already had Renardo Sidney the best prospect for 09, move to LA and he said he will go to USC or UCLA. Vaccaro wants to make LA the center for college basketball.
2006-08-13 16:58:20
163.   regfairfield
159 It's 37 at bats.
2006-08-13 16:58:49
164.   trainwreck
162
To add on to that. In an interview he said Ben Howland better not screw up with Kevin Love, meaning he better let his big recruit become a big star.
2006-08-13 17:00:24
165.   Greg Brock
Poor Luke Hudson. Destined to be the next entry over at The Griddle.
2006-08-13 17:01:59
166.   Vaudeville Villain
159-

Gotcha.

I don't quite know what to make of this, but according to Park Factor, Tropicana Field is a good home run hitter's park, but not good for doubles hitters. Which makes it kind of weird that Lugo has so many doubles, yet mediocre home run power.

I'd suppose that this may mean that most of Lugo's doubles are (were) created by speed, and less because they are hit hard into the gap, or off walls.

Another weird observation...In the promo for the Dodgers/ Giants game, did they just show Jason Werth?

2006-08-13 17:02:29
167.   Chris H
Vaccaro actually works for Reebok.

Mayo isn't a UCLA type of player. First of all, he would never make it past UCLA admissions in a million years. Second, he isn't a good fit to play with Ben Howland. Third, UCLA doesn't tend to recruit players with his checkered past (domestic violence, etc.).

Why did Mayo end up at USC? Some player's recruitments are for sale to the highest bidder. USC wanted a big name for the opening of their new arena and Mayo found the price to be right.

2006-08-13 17:03:36
168.   trainwreck
167
Adidas owns Reebok.
2006-08-13 17:04:17
169.   Big Game
162. Well, Mayo's standing with Reebok is in question since earlier this year he left his Reebok sponsored AAU team (D-1 Greyhounds) for a Nike sponsored one (Miami Tropics) only to return a short time later.

I was wrong about Vacaaro and adidas, apparently he has joined up with Reebok.

I know the reasons he chose SC (visibility, etc) I just dont think Vacarro's got that much influence on him anymore.

2006-08-13 17:04:42
170.   Greg Brock
Little known fact...Greg Maddux is also baseball's all time leader for game appearances without an undershirt.
2006-08-13 17:06:29
171.   Gen3Blue
I love how Morgan's first bumper managed to mention the D's 13 of 14 losing stretch, and not credit the D's youngsters for anything. Mentioned were Kent, Garc, and Furc.
2006-08-13 17:09:12
172.   Chris H
168 Addidas does own Reebok, but it is operated as a seperate company. Perhaps that won't be the case at some point, but at this point they are completely autonomous.
2006-08-13 17:09:19
173.   Andrew Shimmin
I hate Duke Castiglione.
2006-08-13 17:10:29
174.   Vaudeville Villain
Remember when Shea Hillenbradn was supposed to tip the balance of power in the NL West?
2006-08-13 17:10:51
175.   Vaudeville Villain
174-

Argh, Hillenbrand.

2006-08-13 17:13:23
176.   trainwreck
Funny Maddux has given up hits to the first batter since his debut.
2006-08-13 17:14:31
177.   Big Game
167. Any sources on OJ Mayo being involved in domestic violence? I know he got suspended one game for missing a class, but I wouldnt go as far to say he has a checkered past.
2006-08-13 17:15:10
178.   trainwreck
So does Lugo have an arm capable to play RF?
2006-08-13 17:16:05
179.   Chris H
He transferred schools after choking his girlfriend.
2006-08-13 17:16:07
180.   Bluebleeder87
WOW!! MADDUX!!
2006-08-13 17:16:17
181.   Greg Brock
Wow, nice reflexes, grasshopper.
2006-08-13 17:16:27
182.   StolenMonkey86
Maddux is golden.
2006-08-13 17:17:38
183.   Gen3Blue
Thank God. I was afraid I was going to have to listen to Joe on Bonds beating Maddox. I probably couldn't bear it.
2006-08-13 17:18:13
184.   Bluebleeder87
Maddux is golden.

That line drive Bonds hit was a ROPE! going streight to CF.

2006-08-13 17:19:00
185.   trainwreck
177
I remember he got in trouble for assaulting a female student. Details were never really released.
2006-08-13 17:19:56
186.   trainwreck
179
Wow, didn't know it was that.

Maddux is very good on balls hit to him.

2006-08-13 17:22:41
187.   Bluebleeder87
Looking at our rankings makes me feel good.
2006-08-13 17:25:41
188.   Bluebleeder87
186

he's quick (fast reactions) = great defender.

2006-08-13 17:26:26
189.   Big Game
177 + 185.

There were erroneous reports of a 180 day suspension from school and no charges were ever pressed against Mayo for the alleged incident.

Here's an interview with him where he discusses the transfer situation: http://tinyurl.com/ph5mu

2006-08-13 17:26:54
190.   trainwreck
So doctoring balls is okay cheating, but steroids is bad cheating...

once Jose Canseco writes a book.

2006-08-13 17:27:50
191.   Greg Brock
188 He also ends his follow through in an excellent fielding position, which is grossly under taught nowadays.
2006-08-13 17:27:50
192.   Jim Ignatowski
Morgan and his veiled insinuations of Maddux cheating. Just shut up Joe.
2006-08-13 17:29:24
193.   Bob Timmermann
173

What did the young Mr. Castiglione do to earn your ire? Or are you just being edgy?

2006-08-13 17:29:33
194.   bigcpa
187 I like Morgan's analysis for why OBP is good... baserunners put pressure on the defense and gets the pitcher throwing out of the stretch. Yeah that's it Joe!
2006-08-13 17:29:36
195.   Big Game
Maddux's gameday pic is great.
2006-08-13 17:30:45
196.   bigcpa
Did anyone catch the TWO appearances by Jayson Werth in the opening montage?
2006-08-13 17:31:07
197.   Bob Timmermann
Good thing they waited in Arlington to start the game at 7 pm. It's 98 at game time.
2006-08-13 17:31:21
198.   Bluebleeder87
191

great point.

2006-08-13 17:32:39
199.   StolenMonkey86
Colletti didn't want to smile for the camera
2006-08-13 17:32:53
200.   Gen3Blue
Did Joe really insinuate some ball rigging on Maddox?
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2006-08-13 17:35:08
201.   Greg Brock
To be fair to Morgan (Which is a BOOOO able offense), Miller started it. But Joe added the "Well he's never been caught" addendum.
2006-08-13 17:35:17
202.   Jim Ignatowski
197

They actually moved it up from 7:30 local time and DFW is insufferable these days---heat wise that is.

2006-08-13 17:36:03
203.   Andrew Shimmin
193- I hate the way he talks. I can't even figure out what the accent is, beyond smarmy. I hate the way he doesn't listen to the players he's interviewing. I hate the way, every time I wish he was on fire, he isn't.

So, yeah, no really good reason.

2006-08-13 17:36:21
204.   Uncle Miltie
I actually agree with Joe Morgan on something - that Betemit is going to be a star. I definitely think he has a lot more potential than Ethier.
2006-08-13 17:36:23
205.   Bob Timmermann
I defer all cheating questions to D4P. He knows just by looking.
2006-08-13 17:38:06
206.   trainwreck
203
hahaha
2006-08-13 17:39:35
207.   StolenMonkey86
201 - to be perhaps fairer to them (at the risk of a boo), it was also mentioned by Tim Brown in the LA Times today as part of the reputation. They did say this:

As one veteran baseball man observed last week, the general belief is that Maddux does no doctoring but knows how to work a ball that comes to him scuffed or nicked.

So it was noted by a Rockies coach that Martin bounced his throws to second base after Maddux's final warmup pitches before each inning.

He assumed, with a grin, the young catcher hadn't suddenly lost his arm strength.

2006-08-13 17:39:51
208.   StolenMonkey86
207- rather, Brown said that
2006-08-13 17:40:43
209.   StolenMonkey86
23 pitches through 3. That's pretty efficient
2006-08-13 17:42:28
210.   Jim Ignatowski
Giant batters really know how to work the count. Maddux has thrown 23 pitches in 3 innings.
2006-08-13 17:43:20
211.   Bluebleeder87
Did Joe really insinuate some ball rigging on Maddox?

Joe & Miller are ex-Giants what do you expect.

2006-08-13 17:44:32
212.   Bluebleeder87
211

correction, Miller does Giants games & Joe was an ex-Giant, typo sorry.

2006-08-13 17:45:07
213.   Bluebleeder87
yeah ESPN rub it in!
2006-08-13 17:45:48
214.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers started play in the majors in 1884, but they weren't in the NL until 1890.

There were also major league teams for a few seasons in the 19th Century as well as a Federal League team from 1914-15 in Kansas City.

2006-08-13 17:46:08
215.   trainwreck
207
Those crafty veterans teaching our rookies.
2006-08-13 17:46:23
216.   Greg Brock
Imagine if we got that in a first inning, after a Furcal basehit. Martin is a perfect two hitter.
2006-08-13 17:46:46
217.   StolenMonkey86
they had to remind us of the original Fat Tub of Goo
2006-08-13 17:47:21
218.   Jim Ignatowski
Besides a gold glove, Maddux can move baserunners along too. Dodger batters can learn to bunt from him if they will.
2006-08-13 17:48:23
219.   Bluebleeder87
I'd take a pitche if I were Furcal
2006-08-13 17:49:28
220.   StolenMonkey86
219 - so would Furcal apparently
2006-08-13 17:49:46
221.   Jim Ignatowski
Is Felipe signaling that his players choke?
2006-08-13 17:51:33
222.   DXMachina
To be fair again to Morgan, he also said that he doesn't see how Maddux has time to doctor the ball.
2006-08-13 17:52:11
223.   Gen3Blue
204 I almost agree with you, although not the Ethier part. But this is how irrational and paranoid I am about Morgan. I immediately assumed that Joe was building up someone (Betenit) who could block at least one homegrowm prospect. And I think Joe knows he will have a miserable old age if the D's organizational plans work out.
The Giants have none. I don't know about the Reds.
2006-08-13 17:53:38
224.   Bluebleeder87
darn you Bonds!!!
2006-08-13 17:53:48
225.   Gen3Blue
Oh, that was close!
2006-08-13 17:53:50
226.   Bob Timmermann
There's going to be some turnover in the NL Gold Gloves this year.

2005 winners:
P - Maddux (maybe)
C - Matheny (injured)
1B - Lee (injured)
2B - Castillo (AL)
SS - Vizquel (maybe)
3B - Lowell (AL)
OF - Jones (maybe)
OF - Edmonds (maybe)
OF - Abreu (AL)

I assume Rolen will win at 3B. Molina might win at catcher. Vizquel, Edmonds, and Jones will likely repeat.

Not sure about 1B or 2B. Pujols might win at 1B because of other deeds. Hudson could win at 2B.

2006-08-13 17:54:11
227.   Uncle Miltie
Lofton really got screwed by the umpire in that at bat. He should have walked. Schmidt is getting Glavine like treatment.
2006-08-13 17:54:16
228.   StolenMonkey86
224- it could be worse. Bonds threw out Jim Edmonds at home earlier this year.
2006-08-13 17:54:22
229.   bigcpa
Bonds has what 12 feet of range? That was offensive.
2006-08-13 17:54:50
230.   Marty
I think I'm faster than Bonds is now.
2006-08-13 17:55:08
231.   Gen3Blue
Keep Jason throwing lots of pitches.
2006-08-13 17:56:12
232.   StolenMonkey86
Schmidt has now thrown twice as many pitches as Maddux through 3.
2006-08-13 17:56:26
233.   Gen3Blue
Yeah , there slanted Joe.
2006-08-13 17:57:38
234.   Jim Ignatowski
226

Rolen is having a terrible year in the field. In the recent cub sweep series, he lost two games in the field for the cards.

2006-08-13 17:59:04
235.   Bluebleeder87
Bonds has what 12 feet of range?

I hope his leg & arm fall off!

2006-08-13 17:59:11
236.   Goozmani
maddux definetly not "on".

keep it up

2006-08-13 17:59:12
237.   Bob Timmermann
234
But winning the Gold Glove has little to do with actual fielding abililty. My handicapping was based on reputation.

What other third baseman in the NL has a reputation for fielding well?

Pedro Feliz?
Wilson Betemit?
David Bell?

2006-08-13 17:59:34
238.   Jim Ignatowski
Maddux is slumping--he took 9 pitches that inning (32 after 4 innings).
2006-08-13 17:59:49
239.   Paul Scott
8 pitches per inning. Not bad. :)
2006-08-13 18:00:09
240.   Greg Brock
Zimmerman should win the GG. And the next ten, for that matter.
2006-08-13 18:00:20
241.   Bluebleeder87
Keep Jason throwing lots of pitches.

yeah, Lots & Lots.

2006-08-13 18:00:31
242.   Johnson
235 I hope his leg & arm fall off!

The black-and-orange knight always triumphs!

2006-08-13 18:01:05
243.   Uncle Miltie
237- Ryan Zimmerman

Orlando Hudson better win at 2B

2006-08-13 18:01:26
244.   Uncle Miltie
240- beat me to it
2006-08-13 18:03:10
245.   Jim Ignatowski
237

You're correct. My point was that Rolen is so off this year and as has killed the cards a number of times that he may not win. I don't know who I'd vote for to replace him though.

2006-08-13 18:04:20
246.   Greg Brock
Zimmerman is so unbelievable, people are comparing him to that person at third that you're not allowed to compare people to.
2006-08-13 18:04:30
247.   Bob Timmermann
There aren't a lot of rookies who win the Gold Glove. Even if they deserve it.
2006-08-13 18:04:40
248.   Gen3Blue
At least it is good to note a rather reticent Joe about the D's youngster.
2006-08-13 18:05:03
249.   Greg Brock
It's not about you, Joe.
2006-08-13 18:05:20
250.   StolenMonkey86
nice one!
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2006-08-13 18:05:24
251.   regfairfield
234 Rolen has a 112 rate2. Unless you've watched all the Cardinal games, I'm going to trust the stat instead of the anecdotal evidence.
2006-08-13 18:05:32
252.   overkill94
Nice slide Jeffrey!
2006-08-13 18:06:19
253.   Greg Brock
246 I am, of course, referring to Tracy Woodson.
2006-08-13 18:06:25
254.   Gen3Blue
Clearly had him beat? wasn't hit that sharply?
2006-08-13 18:07:38
255.   overkill94
253 Personally I thought you meant Pedro Guerrero.
2006-08-13 18:08:10
256.   Bob Timmermann
Kent had the rare sensible slide into first base there.
2006-08-13 18:11:38
257.   Gen3Blue
And he wouldn't give Guz a couple of years.
We may remember.
2006-08-13 18:12:30
258.   StolenMonkey86
well, 66 pitches through 4 innings for Schmidt.

How's that San Francisco bullpen?

2006-08-13 18:12:38
259.   Bluebleeder87
255

I thought it was Jeff Hamilton.

2006-08-13 18:14:12
260.   Jim Ignatowski
251

I've watched between 80 and 90 so far and usually catch around 120. Obviously I'm expressing my personal opinion, but you can go to the card blogs and gather that Rolen is way down in the field as a general consensus.

2006-08-13 18:14:24
261.   Paul Scott
251 I'm going to trust the stat even if he has watched all the Cardinal games.
2006-08-13 18:14:40
262.   StolenMonkey86
if they got there faster, they could have all played rock paper scisors for that ball
2006-08-13 18:14:41
263.   bigcpa
Great shot of Flanders huntin & peckin on his Blackberry!
2006-08-13 18:16:04
264.   regfairfield
261 Yeah, that too.
2006-08-13 18:16:08
265.   Gen3Blue
Just saw a MLB add about the evils of steroids--apparently they can destroy every organ in your body. I hope they did a bit more research than when they claimed that about every drug in the last 3 generations.
Truth has a wonderful way of being influential.
2006-08-13 18:16:30
266.   StolenMonkey86
8 pitches an inning
2006-08-13 18:17:23
267.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
266 - Just noticed that myself. The picture of efficiency.
2006-08-13 18:19:17
268.   Uncle Miltie
251- rate2 also has Jeff Kent being a better fielder than Orlando Hudson this year. That makes it about as credible as the National Enquirer.
2006-08-13 18:20:39
269.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
265 - Echoes of D.A.R.E.
"One puff on a 'J,' and your head will explode and you'll vote Democrat."
2006-08-13 18:20:47
270.   Paul Scott
Yes. Some people don't like Rate2 Solely because it didn't comport well with the theory that the Dodgers downgraded defensively when they went from Cora to Kent.
2006-08-13 18:20:50
271.   Greg Brock
I don't trust any fielding metrics, and very much value observation.

It's basically the only part of baseball where that's the case. Perhaps, just perhaps, both of you are partly correct.

Please don't kill me.

2006-08-13 18:21:39
272.   bigcpa
271 Witch!!!
2006-08-13 18:22:29
273.   Gen3Blue
Schmidt is unhittable now. My only hope is that Maddox is not one to fold and he has a much lower pitch count.
Oh Joe, please shut up.
2006-08-13 18:23:03
274.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Rating defense: The final frontier for stats-based scouting.
2006-08-13 18:23:13
275.   Bob Timmermann
And the Gold Glove has nothing to do with any fielding metric either.

It's all reputation. And it helps to hit well. Or else be Rey Ordonez.

2006-08-13 18:23:18
276.   overkill94
Does Joe realize that Martin has good speed? He keeps talking about how much more time guys have to throw because the catcher's running. He's 8 for 11 in steal attempts Joey.
2006-08-13 18:23:44
277.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I'd love to see a breakout of the hitting numbers for 5 p.m. starts at DS.
2006-08-13 18:24:02
278.   StolenMonkey86
272 - let's see if he weighs the same as a duck first
2006-08-13 18:25:28
279.   bigcpa
On Friday's radio broadcast Rick Monday astutely pointed out that the Giants' low number of errors was dubious because they don't get to as many balls as most teams.
2006-08-13 18:26:30
280.   Bob Timmermann
This game was a 5 pm start three years ago:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07200LAN2003.htm
2006-08-13 18:27:17
281.   regfairfield
268 It's a system that, while not airtight, works in general.

It's like saying PECOTA doesn't work because it misses the mark sometimes. In general, it gets things right.

2006-08-13 18:27:53
282.   Bluebleeder87
270

rate2 in questionable IMO.

2006-08-13 18:28:02
283.   StolenMonkey86
280 - that was my one game in Dodger Stadium. I haven't liked Odalis Perez ever since
2006-08-13 18:28:17
284.   Gen3Blue
Good Joe, sign Bonds.
2006-08-13 18:28:21
285.   Paul Scott
Oh, they also don't like it because (as is consistant with my "observations") it shows Izturis as pretty much an average SS who had a below average year (fielding) in 2004, but who won teh gold glove because 1) he had an only slightly below a average year hitting (making it a career year for him offensively) and 2) announcers couldn't stop raving about the double plays and how "pretty" he looked and 3) no one ever seemed to notice that he had (and still has) no range.
2006-08-13 18:28:23
286.   Jim Ignatowski
Well we're at the Morgan slobbering over Bonds portion of the game.
2006-08-13 18:29:24
287.   Big Game
276.

Joe has never seen Martin...but in Joe's vast baseball experience, hes also never seen a catcher who can run. Joe is not concerned with that which he has not seen with his own eyes.

2006-08-13 18:29:32
288.   Bluebleeder87
O.K. CORRAL
2006-08-13 18:31:21
289.   Gen3Blue
How would Schmidt look in a D's uniform.Who is his agent,by the way.
2006-08-13 18:31:25
290.   Bob Timmermann
287

Joe thinks all catchers are guys like Johnny Bench, Bob Boone, Milt May, and Alan Ashby.

2006-08-13 18:32:36
291.   bigcpa
OK now I'm stumped- the Giants are 5th in the majors in Defensive Efficiency at .713. The detail seems to back it up...

BP Rate2
Feliz 110
Sweeney 108
Vizquel 106
Finley 102
Bonds 98
Durham 90
Alou 90

2006-08-13 18:32:47
292.   Paul Scott
286 we are well past the 1st inning.
2006-08-13 18:34:03
293.   Gen3Blue
Man' like two pitches two outs. We will lose if we continue this strategy.
2006-08-13 18:35:50
294.   Bluebleeder87
{290}

Joe/his "people" have to do there homework before a game.

2006-08-13 18:36:36
295.   Gen3Blue
15 more pitches, please.
2006-08-13 18:38:32
296.   Bob Timmermann
Things I had forgotten about the Joe Morgan/Terry Forster game in 1982.

1. Tom Niedenfuer was the losing pitcher
2. The Giants starting pitcher was Bill Laskey
3. The Giants batted Max Venable leadoff
4. Reggie Smith batted cleanup for the Giants
5. Bill Russell was in the race for goat horns in the game too.

2006-08-13 18:38:49
297.   Big Game
294.
Joe Morgan doesnt have to do homework. Joe Morgan's played the game and therefore cannot be told anything Joe Morgan doesnt already know about baseball. Joe Morgan.
2006-08-13 18:39:09
298.   trainwreck
Schmidt owns Ethier.
2006-08-13 18:39:27
299.   overkill94
Next time we face Schmidt, I have a feeling Ethier will get a nice little day off.
2006-08-13 18:39:41
300.   Uncle Miltie
Horrible at bat by Ethier but you can hardly blame him with the types of calls that Schmidt is getting. The first pitch "strike" to Kent was laughable.
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2006-08-13 18:41:22
301.   Gen3Blue
Perhaps not our night, though I will not yield. Schmidt looks physically sound.
2006-08-13 18:41:48
302.   Paul Scott
298, 299 Of course, because, you know, Schmidt is pretty much terrible except when facing Ethier.
2006-08-13 18:42:16
303.   Uncle Miltie
281- sorry, I just don't trust fielding stats. If all of the stats come to the same conclusion (that a fielder is great, terrible, etc) then they are hard to ignore.
2006-08-13 18:42:34
304.   Bluebleeder87
1. Tom Niedenfuer was the losing pitcher

who of course = Jack Clark & spells 1985

2006-08-13 18:42:39
305.   scooplew
296 -- And wasn't the count 0-2 when Morgan hit the homer?
2006-08-13 18:44:30
306.   StolenMonkey86
Warning track power
2006-08-13 18:44:41
307.   Gen3Blue
Warning track power!
2006-08-13 18:44:50
308.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Maddux has set down 20 straight.
2006-08-13 18:45:10
309.   overkill94
302 It's one thing to go 0-3. It's another to look downright terrible all three at-bats.
2006-08-13 18:45:14
310.   Gen3Blue
306 Great minds ehhhh.
2006-08-13 18:46:01
311.   Bluebleeder87
one bad pitch can mean the game the way these guys are pitching.

ps I like our Bullpen better than theres.

2006-08-13 18:47:56
312.   Bob Timmermann
305

Newspaper accounts say it was a 1-2 pitch.

2006-08-13 18:48:07
313.   Greg Brock
Someone needs to explain to Joe how Dodger Stadium plays. Of course, it's one of those stupid STAT thingies.
2006-08-13 18:50:43
314.   overkill94
Man, Schmidt is really on tonight. He seems to be hitting his spot every time with good movement on his breaking pitches.
2006-08-13 18:51:11
315.   Uncle Miltie
Grits is insane if he pulls Maddux here
2006-08-13 18:52:07
316.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Did Heineken have to pay NASA for that ad?
2006-08-13 18:53:29
317.   Paul Scott
309 I guess some people think striking out "looks worse" than other kinds of outs. They are all the same to me. He has taken up 14 of Schmidts 99 pitches (through 7), making his PAs slightly better (.7 pitches/PA) than average for the game.
2006-08-13 18:53:30
318.   StolenMonkey86
315 - Mad dog's still goin
2006-08-13 18:53:32
319.   Gen3Blue
It is sad to see Schmidt get into the eighth when we could have had him at 120 piches now just by taking a few pitches, in the last two innings. I guess I'm being unrealistic.
2006-08-13 18:53:57
320.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
At Maddux's pace, he'll crack the 120-pitch mark after 14 innings.
2006-08-13 18:54:59
321.   Bluebleeder87
I like Betemit's arm.
2006-08-13 18:56:17
322.   Bluebleeder87
Maddux is simply a master.
2006-08-13 18:56:43
323.   Jim Ignatowski
Maddux-Hall of Famer. Score some runs for him!!
2006-08-13 18:57:21
324.   bigcpa
Maddux is making Midas look pretty good tonite. Can we pleeeeease get a run here? Maybe even manufacture one to impress Joe Morgan.
2006-08-13 18:57:50
325.   Paul Scott
319 Possibly, but only if everyone was a "owned" as Ethier. We wouldn't want that.
2006-08-13 18:57:58
326.   Uncle Miltie
I don't think I'd pinch hit for him only because I don't trust any of the bench players. Maybe Loney, but that's it.
2006-08-13 18:58:02
327.   Jon Weisman
Checking in just to go on record as saying even I let Maddux hit in the 8th.
2006-08-13 18:58:21
328.   Uncle Miltie
Drew stinks against Schmidt so I wouldn't use him
2006-08-13 18:58:51
329.   trainwreck
Boooo.
2006-08-13 18:58:55
330.   StolenMonkey86
326 - well, it's Loney
2006-08-13 18:59:11
331.   Bluebleeder87
I like this move by Grady (Loney pitch hitting for Maddux)
2006-08-13 18:59:18
332.   Greg Brock
327 You heard it, everybody. Jon Weisman hates Grady Little.
2006-08-13 18:59:25
333.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I wouldn't have pulled Maddux.
2006-08-13 18:59:39
334.   Bob Timmermann
327

Jon and Grady Little are not in agreement this week.

2006-08-13 18:59:55
335.   StolenMonkey86
Grady Little has two pitchers warming up in the bullpen at the same time?!
2006-08-13 19:00:35
336.   Gen3Blue
This is an interesting descision for Alou and Sabean. Although I don't see it, baseball frowns on throwing guys into the 100's.
But I see Grid has made our descision. And I appreciate saving Maddox, but this will probably be the game. Its OK
2006-08-13 19:00:39
337.   bigcpa
Morgan says at this stage of his career Maddux is not able to be a horse. So breaking 70 pitches now constitutes horse status.
2006-08-13 19:00:45
338.   trainwreck
Maddux has thrown such a small number of pitches that you can bring him back.
2006-08-13 19:00:49
339.   Bob Timmermann
It's Bret "Tie Game" Tomko and Takashi "Save Situation™" Saito!
2006-08-13 19:00:59
340.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
335 - Gasp!
2006-08-13 19:01:00
341.   overkill94
317 I'm all for using stat-based analysis, but I think you're being a bit ridiculous there. A guy can go 0-3 with three lineouts too, but the difference in knowing who hits the pitcher better is watching the game.
2006-08-13 19:01:04
342.   Bluebleeder87
327

I don't get you Jon? you've been quoted other wise! (dose it depend on game situation or something)

2006-08-13 19:01:05
343.   Mark Joseph
Looks like Greg Haddix pitched a pretty good game tonight.
2006-08-13 19:01:07
344.   adamclyde
come on... it's only been 68 pitches... we could get another inning out of him easy... we'll need them the way we are hitting tonight...
2006-08-13 19:01:46
345.   regfairfield
So, why does Grady let Lowe hit with runners on first and third, but he pulls Maddux when he has only 68 pitches?
2006-08-13 19:02:00
346.   King of the Hobos
Loney really needs to cut down the Ks. That was his 4th of the season!
2006-08-13 19:02:16
347.   bigcpa
Furcal puts on his hard hat and begins manufacturing...
2006-08-13 19:02:37
348.   Bob Timmermann
If Furcal doesn't try to steal here, Morgan will implode.
2006-08-13 19:02:38
349.   Paul Scott
FWIW, I think it was the right move. Might not work out, but I would have pulled him there too. I probably would have PH Drew rather than Loney, but that is a quibble.
2006-08-13 19:02:50
350.   Gen3Blue
PS. I wouldn't go after Schmidt with a long term contract. You can't predict arms.
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2006-08-13 19:02:54
351.   D4P
I defer all cheating questions to D4P. He knows just by looking

At least someone believes in me...

2006-08-13 19:03:45
352.   overkill94
350 And you can't hug with nuclear arms!
2006-08-13 19:04:01
353.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Nice.
2006-08-13 19:04:21
354.   Uncle Miltie
I think you have to pull a double steal here. Nomar is so DP prone.
2006-08-13 19:04:21
355.   Greg Brock
Joe Morgan talks about a double steal in

5...4...3...2...1

2006-08-13 19:05:20
356.   Icaros
Removing one of the best pitchers in the history of baseball, in the middle of a 68-pitch, 8-inning shutout, makes no sense to me.

It's not like Loney was going to give LA the lead with one swing of the bat.

2006-08-13 19:06:11
357.   Vaudeville Villain
Alou has a lefty up in the pen.

Does he foolishly bring in the lefty to face Ethier?

2006-08-13 19:06:23
358.   overkill94
This is Nomar's bread-and-butter situation. Isn't he batting something like 8.000 after the 7th inning?
2006-08-13 19:06:52
359.   Vaudeville Villain
357-

Assuming we get that far, obviously.

2006-08-13 19:07:17
360.   StolenMonkey86
357 - Jim Tracy was his bench coach . . .
2006-08-13 19:07:27
361.   Big Game
341.

Either way, both Ethier and your straw man go 0-3. I'm more for letting Ethier, he with the .953 ops, keep hitting no matter who pitches.

2006-08-13 19:07:56
362.   Bob Timmermann
If Alou has to bring in Stanton to face Ethier this inning, he's in some trouble.
2006-08-13 19:08:53
363.   StolenMonkey86
if Schmidt walks Kent . . .
2006-08-13 19:10:19
364.   overkill94
Son of a...
2006-08-13 19:10:27
365.   Uncle Miltie
Great, now Tomko is going to come in and blow it.
2006-08-13 19:10:44
366.   joekings
That was disappointing.
2006-08-13 19:10:48
367.   Paul Scott
356 1. three games does not erase 2/3rds of a season. Maddux may be one of the best (in the top 50) in the history of the game, but he is now mearly above average.

2. Loney was a lot more likely to give LA the lead with one swing of the bat than was Maddux.

Little thought with his head, not his heart. That's a good thing, regardless of the outcome.

2006-08-13 19:10:51
368.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Nomar would make a high percentage of his free throws, if that was his sport.
Hitting foul shots is a matter of routine, so say some of the best shooters of free throws. Nomar's ADHD batting glove thing is his routine and, boy, does he have it down.
(I love watching Rip Hamilton at the line: Dribble, dribble. Bounce the ball way off to the right. Bring the ball into the body, bend the knees and shoot.)
2006-08-13 19:10:53
369.   bigcpa
Carrara time?
2006-08-13 19:11:15
370.   Bob Timmermann
So Stanton will pitch the 9th after the Giants bat for Schmidt.

Unless the Giatns go ahead and then it's Benitez.

2006-08-13 19:11:38
371.   Vaudeville Villain
369-

No thank you.

2006-08-13 19:12:34
372.   StolenMonkey86
365 - Or steal the win, like he's done a couple times earlier this year
2006-08-13 19:12:45
373.   StolenMonkey86
and by year, I mean month
2006-08-13 19:13:07
374.   Bluebleeder87
Good fast heart beat=Maddux game today

bad fast heart beat=Tomko

2006-08-13 19:13:08
375.   joekings
I have a bad feeling about this inning.
2006-08-13 19:13:24
376.   Vaudeville Villain
365-

C'mon, show some optimism! These are the Giants after all.

2006-08-13 19:13:29
377.   Tommy Naccarato
Icaros,
Taking Maddox out in a game like this makes no sense to me either.
2006-08-13 19:13:51
378.   StolenMonkey86
that's the 5th hit Tomko has allowed as a reliever
2006-08-13 19:14:29
379.   Uncle Miltie
Felipe at his best. He has one of the best pinch hitters in baseball and he brings in the designated bunter.
2006-08-13 19:14:55
380.   D4P
I like to refer to games like this one (i.e. when both starting pitchers pitch well and don't give up m/any runs) as a "Duel between pitchers."
2006-08-13 19:15:50
381.   Vaudeville Villain
380-

Hey, that's got a beat, and I can dance to it!

2006-08-13 19:16:29
382.   Greg Brock
380 It'll never catch on.
2006-08-13 19:17:16
383.   Bob Timmermann
I blame the humidor for this game.
2006-08-13 19:17:29
384.   Uncle Miltie
I love Felipe
2006-08-13 19:17:30
385.   tjshere
Uncle Miltie - Going back a ways here, but I was a little surprised by your comment in 204. I'm a big Betemit fan too, but since 3.5 seems to have an edge against lefties I was wondering why you prefer Betemit in the long-term?

Please understand I'm not looking to start an argument. That isn't why I come here. I really respect your opinion and would like to hear your analysis of this.

2006-08-13 19:17:39
386.   King of the Hobos
Great job by both the designated bunter and the pinch runner. Schmidt and Alfonzo could have done that same play.
2006-08-13 19:17:58
387.   Bluebleeder87
I like to refer to games like this one (i.e. when both starting pitchers pitch well and don't give up m/any runs) as a "Duel between pitchers."

I call it the O.K CORRAL.

2006-08-13 19:18:13
388.   Gen3Blue
I saw a few games in the first half where I remarked that Grady was giving up the game for the long term good of personel. I was surprised to give up games, but I thought, maybe you are a smarter man than I. And it may be that sacrificing a game for a guy like Maddox is worth it.
2006-08-13 19:19:56
389.   Greg Brock
John McGraw loved Vizquel's hack right there.
2006-08-13 19:20:45
390.   StolenMonkey86
"this would not be a bad time to send Vizcaino"

I agree. he's 0-2 in stolen base attempts this year.

2006-08-13 19:20:52
391.   Vaudeville Villain
Felipe Alou is the greatest thing that's ever happened to the NL West.
2006-08-13 19:21:10
392.   StolenMonkey86
lefty on Ethier?
2006-08-13 19:21:15
393.   joekings
Let's see if we can get to their bullpen.
2006-08-13 19:21:15
394.   Uncle Miltie
Good job by Tomko, superb managing by Felipe

Please bring in Benitez!

2006-08-13 19:21:20
395.   D4P
Does Tomko only get credit for getting 2 outs that inning...?
2006-08-13 19:21:28
396.   Tommy Naccarato
WHEW! I'm eternally grateful they got out of that inning.
2006-08-13 19:22:19
397.   Bluebleeder87
Joe & Miller calling that a "swinging bunt" by Vizquel, I call it a very bad swing.
2006-08-13 19:23:13
398.   Tommy Naccarato
383 Your right. Both managers have been obviously smoking something since the 8th.
2006-08-13 19:23:26
399.   Vaudeville Villain
397-

I like "swunt".

2006-08-13 19:23:54
400.   trainwreck
Ethier vs the loogy again.
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2006-08-13 19:24:00
401.   Greg Brock
Swunt is the only way to go.
2006-08-13 19:24:13
402.   Jim Ignatowski
Does Stanton have his 20 year pin yet?
2006-08-13 19:24:26
403.   trainwreck
Well that was not nearly as exciting.
2006-08-13 19:25:03
404.   Big Game
399. I just got caught laughing at that.
2006-08-13 19:25:08
405.   Vaudeville Villain
The lefty-lefty thing always works!
2006-08-13 19:25:16
406.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't it possible that this is Bonds' last Dodger Stadium appearance?
2006-08-13 19:25:22
407.   Greg Brock
I smell free baseball. Yay!
2006-08-13 19:25:32
408.   bigcpa
Lugo walk-off, toss the helmet, pummeled at the plate, the works. You heard it here first.
2006-08-13 19:25:34
409.   D4P
401
If a "swinging bunt" is a "swunt," I don't think I want to know what a "checked bunt" is...
2006-08-13 19:25:44
410.   Tommy Naccarato
I was thinking the same thing in about the 3rd inning.
2006-08-13 19:25:46
411.   King of the Hobos
We are facing Stanton, correct?
2006-08-13 19:26:09
412.   joekings
409 - chunt?
2006-08-13 19:26:15
413.   overkill94
Lugo's gonna hit a double in the gap and Martin's gonna knock him in on a single to right. Book it!
2006-08-13 19:26:25
414.   Jim Ignatowski
406

Please God. Hopefully he'll catch a leg sweep his next at bat.

2006-08-13 19:26:40
415.   Greg Brock
408 You're a liar. LIAR!
2006-08-13 19:26:43
416.   overkill94
413 Darn server error, there's no way I typed that!
2006-08-13 19:26:43
417.   bigcpa
OK maybe in the 12th...
2006-08-13 19:27:05
418.   Uncle Miltie
Felipe is really trying to give this game to the Dodgers, but our hitters don't want to want to take advantage of it.
2006-08-13 19:27:32
419.   scareduck
413 - the difference between Schmidt and Stanton is too great.
2006-08-13 19:28:44
420.   Vaudeville Villain
I predict that one of these two teams will win the game. Book it.
2006-08-13 19:29:56
421.   Gagne55
According to Gameday, Maddux made 68 pitches in 8 innings. Is that right? How could they take him out.

Oh, well, extra innings it is. Dodgers are 0-6 in extra innings. Are they gaurenteed to lose this one, then?

2006-08-13 19:30:15
422.   Paul Scott
Wow. Another great call by Little (if we think Saito is our best reliever - I don't but I think that is the general consensus).

Game tied, heart of the order - bring in the closer. I like it.

2006-08-13 19:30:21
423.   Big Game
I predict that when Carrara is brought in to the game, I will throw up a little in my mouth.
2006-08-13 19:30:41
424.   scareduck
422 - I think the only justification is he's old.
2006-08-13 19:30:46
425.   Greg Brock
420 Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
2006-08-13 19:31:00
426.   Big Game
422. Little seems to be toying with the idea of Broxton as a closer.
2006-08-13 19:31:52
427.   StolenMonkey86
that had nothing to do with Bonds. Grady is trying to give Martin a chance to stretch his legs
2006-08-13 19:31:58
428.   Vaudeville Villain
Why did we walk Bonds? He's not very good anymore, stop it.
2006-08-13 19:32:08
429.   Gagne55
422 No, that is not a good move. There's nothing for the closer to close!!
2006-08-13 19:33:13
430.   bigcpa
426 So naturally Broxton won't be used tonight.
2006-08-13 19:33:43
431.   Jim Ignatowski
Why not 4 pitches at Barroid's knee if yoou're going to walk him?
2006-08-13 19:33:50
432.   Big Game
429. Its just an observation. He's used him to close a couple games in the last few weeks.
2006-08-13 19:34:33
433.   Paul Scott
426 That may be. I think Broxton is our best reliever, followed by Tomko then Saito - so I would have brought in Broxton here. I'll like Little's call less if it turns out he has already made the switch to Broxton as the closer.
2006-08-13 19:34:37
434.   xaphor
Getting Bonds out of the game only helps to improve the Giants defense from here on out. The IBB was a bad move.
2006-08-13 19:34:43
435.   StolenMonkey86
choke sign! play double play depth!
2006-08-13 19:34:53
436.   Gagne55
Why did Bonds get intentionally walked? He's nothing more than an average hitter now.
2006-08-13 19:35:16
437.   Vaudeville Villain
429-

Always use your best reliever in the toughest spots.

2006-08-13 19:36:13
438.   Gagne55
If Bonds' pinch runner comes around to score...
2006-08-13 19:36:53
439.   Uncle Miltie
Giants do exactly what Felipe told them to do, choke. Speaking of choking, is it Benitez time yet?
2006-08-13 19:37:01
440.   Gagne55
431 Saito would be risking getting ejected.
2006-08-13 19:38:18
441.   StolenMonkey86
nope, the reliever they got with Hillenbrand
2006-08-13 19:39:02
442.   Gen3Blue
Its the Caught bunt you really need to worry about!
Thank god for Saito, do you think he can pitch another inning. I hope he doesn't have to.
2006-08-13 19:39:18
443.   StolenMonkey86
Canada owns the end of the game!
2006-08-13 19:39:19
444.   Jim Ignatowski
bye,bye
2006-08-13 19:39:20
445.   joekings
MARTIN!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-08-13 19:39:24
446.   overkill94
Walk-off baby!
2006-08-13 19:39:31
447.   Tommy Naccarato
YES!
2006-08-13 19:39:32
448.   Bluebleeder87
OUR GOLDEN BOY!! RUSSELL MARTIN!!!!!
2006-08-13 19:39:35
449.   Paul Scott
Nice!
2006-08-13 19:39:44
450.   Greg Brock
I want to have Russell Martin's children.
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2006-08-13 19:39:46
451.   bigcpa
CALLED IN 413!!!
2006-08-13 19:39:55
452.   Chiron Brown
Au Revoir, baseball!
2006-08-13 19:40:28
453.   Uncle Miltie
GOLDEN BOY!!!!
2006-08-13 19:40:44
454.   Gen3Blue
Its the Caught bunt you really need to worry about!
Thank god for Saito, do you think he can pitch another inning. I hope he doesn't have TO.
wHAT A ROOKIE.
2006-08-13 19:40:53
455.   Chiron Brown
Morgan doesn't sound very happy.
2006-08-13 19:41:08
456.   Big Game
So is Broxton gonna pitch now?
2006-08-13 19:41:37
457.   Paul Scott
It's amazing he still bats 8th from time to time.
2006-08-13 19:41:40
458.   bigcpa
Gotta love the Big Papi helmet flip!
2006-08-13 19:42:25
459.   overkill94
Man do I love Martin - great hitter, great defender, incredible character, sexy smile...
2006-08-13 19:43:08
460.   Gen3Blue
I couldn't understand at first. Then I realized it was a walk off. It looks like the clubhouse feeling is positive at this point.
2006-08-13 19:43:39
461.   Paul Scott
We are a half game out of second place in the NL, btw.
2006-08-13 19:44:08
462.   Gagne55
w00t
2006-08-13 19:44:35
463.   overkill94
I didn't realize Belle and Sebastian had a song called "Piazza, New York Catcher". One of the lyrics I caught was something like "are you straight or are you gay?"
2006-08-13 19:45:57
464.   D4P
Nothing quite like a "walking off of the playing field" HR to win it
2006-08-13 19:46:42
465.   Gagne55
I've noticed Maddux isn't allowed more than 80 pitches or so since coming to the Dodgers. Today he left after 68; that's basically five innings of work even though it ate 8 innings. Trying to keep him really fresh?
2006-08-13 19:46:45
466.   Bluebleeder87
iceing on the cake type finish.

great pitching & all.

2006-08-13 19:46:52
467.   Chris H
Martin seems to be everything that people think Lo Duca is.
2006-08-13 19:47:39
468.   Gagne55
Dodgers finally win an extra inning game. Nice to get rid of that 0-6.
2006-08-13 19:47:57
469.   Bob Timmermann
I believe this is the Dodgers first 1-0 win since August 28 of last year.
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B08280LAN2005.htm

LA 1, Houston 0

First extra inning 1-0 win since 9/27/2002
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09270LAN2002.htm

LA 1, San Diego 0

Like tonight, that game ended on a homer by the Dodgers catcher. (Paul Lo Duca)

2006-08-13 19:48:20
470.   Greg Brock
467 That, my good man, is one of the great statements ever put on DT.

Bravo Zulu for Chris.

2006-08-13 19:48:49
471.   Gen3Blue
I believe Morgan didn't mention a young Dodger's name once in the whole broadcast. I admit I missed an inning or maybe more, but I bet a tape would show Morgan never said the name Martin, or Ethier. It would raise serious objections to his doing non-partison announcing. I am certain he didn't do any in the first 6 innings, when a prescient broadcaster introduces young players on both sides who may influence the game.
2006-08-13 19:49:12
472.   Uncle Miltie
467- except for the fact that he plays defense, has a great arm, runs well (right now), and is a pretty patient hitter. Otherwise, you are correct.
2006-08-13 19:49:32
473.   tjshere
I thought Morgan was going to cry during the wrap-up. Which makes this even more sweet.
2006-08-13 19:50:50
474.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, Morgan wasn't particularly complimentary of the Giants nor did he seem to know much about what was going with them despite living in the Bay Area. Did Morgan do any preparation before this game?
2006-08-13 19:51:19
475.   Uncle Miltie
Nevermind, I missed the word "think" :)
2006-08-13 19:52:01
476.   Paul Scott
D4P,

Thanks. You were right, now that I am used to it. Now make scan move.

2006-08-13 19:53:19
477.   Chris H
472 I agree with you, but there are some people (namely Plaschke) who think that Lo Duca does those things very well.
2006-08-13 19:54:35
478.   StolenMonkey86
that helps the record in 1 run games too
2006-08-13 19:56:21
479.   Gen3Blue
Oh, what a beautiful morning!
2006-08-13 19:58:06
480.   Uncle Miltie
Chris H- see 475 :)
2006-08-13 19:58:59
481.   bigcpa
Last four wins have been of the 1-run variety. I think now we're only 2 wins off the old pythag projection.

Twins 591/528 68-49
LA     591/537 62-56

2006-08-13 19:59:36
482.   Gagne55
So what are the matchups with the Marlins? How sweepable is that seires?
2006-08-13 20:00:44
483.   Chris H
480 :)
2006-08-13 20:01:15
484.   imperabo
428, 436-

Bonds is most certainly not an average hitter or "not very good". He has a 947 OPS and a sweet .459 obp. With a 2-0 count he's very likely to get on base anyway, so why not just walk him and avoid the distict possibility of a far worse outcome.

2006-08-13 20:01:37
485.   D4P
276
Glad you "came around," so to speak. Scan stops by here once in a while, but spends a little more time over there (mostly arguing with Codge).
2006-08-13 20:05:47
486.   imperabo
We once again have the longest winning streak in NL going. Pretty sureal after it seems like we just lost the 11 gamer.
2006-08-13 20:07:13
487.   King of the Hobos
482 Lowe v Willis
Billingsley v Sanchez
Hendrickson v Johnson
2006-08-13 20:12:15
488.   Chiron Brown
That was one of the best games I've seen in a while. There's nothing quite like a walk off home run in the tenth inning of a scoreless game to complete a sweep of the Giants. Now I'm going to go listen to some Coltrane.
2006-08-13 20:13:40
489.   ddger
That was an unbelievable performance by Maddux (8 scoreless innings on 68 pitches). He probably could have pitched 10 scoreless innings tonight. It's so fun watching him pitch because the game moves so fast and it's double fun watching him pitch so well for us after all those years of watching him pitch against us.
2006-08-13 20:18:59
490.   Slikk
I'm pretty disgusting to read the Lo Duca bashing here. What did he ever do wrong in his time here? He was an all-star catcher and a great hitter for the Dodgers.

I honestly don't see much difference between Martin and Lo Duca -- which is probably why DePodesta traded him.

2006-08-13 20:21:41
491.   Gen3Blue
I truly believe I would have said this is a beautiful game to watch even if we lost 1-0.
I should have forseen bringing Maddox to a team with a chance would have enlivened him in a big way. If he can stay ennervated the way he is anything can happen.
2006-08-13 20:25:45
492.   Gen3Blue
Note how much Lugo and Betemit did for the team.
Not fair, but interesting.
2006-08-13 20:25:59
493.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 490

I do think Martin is a better defender than LoDuca.

LoDuca's long tenure in the minors, at no fault of his own, make the comparison somewhat difficult, I think, because Paulie came up so much later to the Dodgers. For a catcher, I think that skews the stats a bit.

I don't have time to find real stats, but my impression is that Martin is a bit more patient, although I think both seem to have roughly the same sort of double-gap power.

Isn't a frequent comp to Martin Kendall at his peak? Perhaps even a Kendall with potentially more pop?

WWSH

2006-08-13 20:34:53
494.   Bob Timmermann
That 10 inning game took all of 2 hours and 27 minutes to complete.
2006-08-13 20:36:37
495.   Bluebleeder87
I do think Martin is a better defender than LoDuca.

LoDuca's swing is fundemantaly better than Martin's (I'll give that to LoDuca) but overall Martin gets the nod in my book. But like some one else said we didn't get to see the young LoDuca because of you know who....

2006-08-13 20:38:30
496.   Uncle Miltie
490- nobody is bashing Lo Duca. He was a fine player who was overrated/overvalued and was able to net us a solid starting pitcher in Penny. I wasn't a big Lo Duca fan because I value defense in catcher. While Lo Duca seemed to work well with pitchers, he wasn't very good at throwing out runners, didn't block the plate, committed too many passed balls, and wasn't great at preventing wild pitches. Russell Martin is a tremendous athlete. He has a lot more natural talent than Lo Duca.
493- Kendall pre ankle injury is the best comparison I can think of. Martin is a better defender than Kendall ever was though. Martin's baseball instincts are incredible, much like Kendall's. The best part is that he's only been catching for 3 years. He's one of the most athletic catchers I've ever seen.
2006-08-13 20:40:13
497.   Jon Weisman
Congratulations to those who got to see that game. New post up top.
2006-08-13 20:40:28
498.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Anyone have a firm grasp of Maddux's recent revival?

He doesn't seem to be striking out many people, but neither is he walking many. When the trade went down, Jon's post mentioned the case that he may have been unluckey, because his FIP was a run below his then mediocre ERA of 4.69. Jon also mentioned Maddux's good HR and walk rates.

So, even though Maddux isn't going to K gags of hitters, he keeps it in the park and doesn't walk many. In a stadium like DS, where HRs are neutral, but every other form of offense else is damped down, while Maddux himself keeps the walks down, does that mean that Maddux's revival could really last? Especially with Furcal's defensive recovery and Betemit at 3B? That Ned traded a banjo-hitting but fine-fielding SS for a solid no. 3 starter, perhaps even a solid no. 2, and one with playoff experience?

WWSH

2006-08-13 20:40:32
499.   Uncle Miltie
But like some one else said we didn't get to see the young LoDuca because of you know who....
Charles Johnson? Todd Hundley?
2006-08-13 20:43:42
500.   Bluebleeder87
The best part is that he's only been catching for 3 years. He's one of the most athletic catchers I've ever seen.

LoDuca was converted also, It seems like the Dodgers pull these guys (catchers) out of a hat. Great catching tredition I guess.

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2006-08-13 20:45:08
501.   PDH5204
Now that they've run up the broom and can otherwise have some ice cream, I say leave the broom up for those underwater pointy vertebrates to ponder, and in the meantime, I'm thinking SF takes 2 from SD and ditto the CR over the AD. And my alternative hypothesis re this season is just so Maddux can pitch for the World Series champion Dodgers is looking to be just that much more correct. And, lastly, Mr. Customer, I think today we had both story and punchline.
2006-08-13 20:48:52
502.   Mark Joseph
481

Actually, 3 below. We're 62-56; scoring 591 and giving up 537 we should be (rounded to the nearest whole number) 65-53. However, if you actually calculate it out, it's really only a little over 2 1/2 below. I wonder what it looked like before the four straight one-run victories?

2006-08-13 21:12:01
503.   natepurcell
I honestly don't see much difference between Martin and Lo Duca -- which is probably why DePodesta traded him.

Martin plays better defense, faster/better baserunner, and has a ton better walk rate.

Besides from being short and squatty, I don't really see how they are alike.

2006-08-13 21:31:19
504.   StolenMonkey86
Martin is younger and Canadian
2006-08-13 21:40:33
505.   StolenMonkey86
so what are the top 3 Dodgers web gems?

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