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Gimme Six
2006-08-18 17:25
by Jon Weisman

Contrary to unpopular belief, Brad Penny averages six innings per start. That doesn't make him an ace, but he's still better than average on the Dodger staff. For 2006, Dodger starting pitchers are averaging 5.77 innings per start.

A lot of us talk about wanting our starters to pitch more innings. But we look at the Dodgers, with perhaps the least durable starting rotation in team history and a relief corps that has only recently stopped being a heart attack, and what do we find?

Starter ERA, 121 games: 4.24
Reliever ERA, 120 games: 4.24

So yeah, if a Dodger starting pitcher went an extra inning - on the dubious premise that he didn't give up a run in that inning - and the team were spared an extra inning from its weakest reliever, then yeah, that probably helps.

Mostly, though, I'm left thinking, maybe it's not such a big deal.

* * *

Tonight's Game

Comments (248)
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2006-08-18 17:32:11
1.   D4P
To be fair, I'm guessing the Reliever ERA has gone down (significantly?) over the past month or so.
2006-08-18 17:33:10
2.   Linkmeister
Why is there a one-game difference? Oh, Lowe's complete game.
2006-08-18 17:35:08
3.   Berkeley Doug
I'm off to the game. For those of you watching at home, it will be windy.
2006-08-18 17:40:55
4.   Bluebleeder87
D4P What does you're name mean? (ive been wondering about that for a while now)
2006-08-18 17:41:37
5.   Greg Brock
Megacide (may-guh-side) n. - The killing of a giant by a non-giant.

Just throwing that out there.

2006-08-18 17:43:50
6.   DXMachina
I'm watching Jon Lester pitch to Sal Fasano. Lester throws even more pitches per inning than Billingsley.

Bases loaded, no outs, and Sal grounds into a 5-2 fielders choice.

2006-08-18 17:48:26
7.   Eric Enders
4 Reverse the last two characters and it could be a lurking Shawn Green.
2006-08-18 17:49:08
8.   King of the Hobos
4 I believe it's Delino for Pedro.
2006-08-18 17:52:34
9.   Bluebleeder87
any DT'ers drinking tonite? (it's friday!)Dodger @ Giants = alchole on a friday
2006-08-18 17:54:40
10.   Bluebleeder87
{8} i shouldn't have asked. (payne still very much there)
2006-08-18 17:55:08
11.   Greg Brock
9 Nah, nah, I gave that up, I mean, I don't really...

Why? You buying?

2006-08-18 17:56:23
12.   Sub4Era
4 Depodesta for President?
2006-08-18 17:57:52
13.   Bluebleeder87
I believe it's Delino for Pedro

I swear I thought it ment Dodgers 4 president.(i'm not kidding)

2006-08-18 17:59:20
14.   Bluebleeder87

I'll buy the first round, next one is on you. [guinness or corona please]

2006-08-18 18:01:28
15.   Greg Brock
14 Deal
2006-08-18 18:02:15
16.   D4P
D4P is short for Delino4Pedro. It's a long story...
2006-08-18 18:07:54
17.   Bob Timmermann

And he legally changed his named to that too.

2006-08-18 18:12:57
18.   Marty
[guinness or corona please]

There's two beers on opposite sides of the spectrum

2006-08-18 18:14:39
19.   D4P
Either that, or yahoo mail doesn't require you to use your real name...
2006-08-18 18:17:16
20.   Bob Timmermann
I like my story better.

I couldn't call Icaros by his real name when I met him. It just didn't work.

2006-08-18 18:17:53
21.   DXMachina
yahoo mail doesn't require you to use your real name...

The devil you say...

2006-08-18 18:22:43
22.   D4P
And I'd have a hard time calling you anything other than "Bob" or "Bob Timmermann".
2006-08-18 18:26:30
23.   Bob Timmermann
My mother named me "DodgersruleBaby!!!!" at birth.
2006-08-18 18:29:06
24.   trainwreck
Brad Penny is a number 2 pitcher. Right now he is 20th in VORP a very good season, but Jon is right about the lack of innings. He has pitched 145 innings. He has ace ability, but I think he is a number 2 on a world contending team.

Then again he just has to be hot at the right time.

2006-08-18 18:29:18
25.   Linkmeister
Interesting interview with Honeycutt over at Blue Notes (sidebar). I've often wondered what a pitching coach actually does, considering his pupils wouldn't have gotten this far without knowing something of what they're doing already.
2006-08-18 18:30:25
26.   Greg Brock
23 Bob would just have to be "Bob"

I always wanted to call Jon "Dear Leader". Unfortunately, that moniker has been taken.

2006-08-18 18:33:14
27.   D4P
I like the 4 exclamation points. That's bold. Most mothers would have stopped at 3...Guess it's that wild St. Louis influence.
2006-08-18 18:33:54
28.   Linkmeister
26 Heck, just treat it like Yahoo does. Jon could be "Dear Leader23" or whatever.
2006-08-18 18:34:36
29.   Bob Timmermann

I was her fourth child. She kept adding exclamation points with each one.

2006-08-18 18:36:51
30.   D4P
So instead of "Robert IV" it was "Robert !!!!"? I like it!...!!!
2006-08-18 18:57:32
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody know what happened to the ump in the Braves/Marlins game?
2006-08-18 18:59:07
32.   Andrew Shimmin
Ooh. Ugly. They showed a replay. Batter's (didn't catch who) bat broke and the barrel flew back and bounced off the umpire's mask/shoulder. He's on the ground, now, with a neck collar. EMTs are putting him on a backboard.
2006-08-18 18:59:21
33.   Bob Timmermann
Yea! I finished the NYT crossword puzzle!

Now, I can make dinner!

Meanwhile, I think the Red Sox and Yankees are on a pace to shatter the record for longest doubleheader where both games are 9 innings.

They need a 3:45 game in the current game. They're headed for the 2 hour mark in the fourth inning.

2006-08-18 19:00:22
34.   Bob Timmermann
Hanley Ramirez was batting.
2006-08-18 19:04:12
35.   Greg Brock
All tied up at 7 in Beantown (that's Boston).
2006-08-18 19:04:36
36.   Daniel Zappala
33 I am still, slowly, working on the Sunday puzzle. I put just my breakfast time into it each day. Nearly done, and I only had that one because I picked up a copy of the Seattle times this past weekend. I need to find a neighbor who doesn't want his puzzle each Sunday.
2006-08-18 19:06:28
37.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds can be tied by the DBacks for the wild card if they beat the Padres.
2006-08-18 19:06:31
38.   D4P
You impose a "No dinner for you until you finish the NYT crossword puzzle" condition upon yourself...?
2006-08-18 19:07:32
39.   Bob Timmermann
No, but it seemed like a good demarcation point.

If I had such a rule, I would have been very hungry the past two Fridays.

2006-08-18 19:07:54
40.   Vishal
9/10 "alchole"? "payne"? looks like someone's gotten started already :)
2006-08-18 19:09:48
41.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees and Red Sox have already combined for 14 runs and 19 hits in four innings.
2006-08-18 19:10:32
42.   D4P
Just Fridays? Sheesh, I'd have been dead by now.
2006-08-18 19:15:35
43.   Jim Ignatowski
Weaver the Younger picks up where older brother Dreamweaver left off and gets the Ichiro-less Mariners out 1-2-3 in the top of the first.
2006-08-18 19:16:11
44.   Greg Brock
39 LA Times crossword puzzle:
"Nobel Prize Winner Eli"...Every other puzzle.

Times of London. Now that's brutal.

2006-08-18 19:18:38
45.   Bob Timmermann
The Times of London puzzles are a much different style than an American one.
2006-08-18 19:18:49
46.   Bluebleeder87
base hit up the middle by Furcal. 1 on 0 outs & Lofton to bat (well Furcal steel)
2006-08-18 19:18:51
47.   Vishal
[43] if he were picking up where his brother left off he would have at least given up one solo jack by now
2006-08-18 19:20:26
48.   Jim Ignatowski
It's official, Reds lose to Pittsburg 7-3.
2006-08-18 19:21:04
49.   trainwreck
I hope Ethier fares better this time out against Schmidt.
2006-08-18 19:21:10
50.   Gen3Blue
Good, make him throw some pitches.
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2006-08-18 19:22:33
51.   Bob Timmermann
Although he just struck out to end the fifth, Johnny Damon is 6 for 10 with 6 RBIs and 2 home runs against Boston today.
2006-08-18 19:23:00
52.   Bluebleeder87
1-0 dodgers, great hitting by Nomar.
2006-08-18 19:23:40
53.   Bob Timmermann

They let them use an "h" at the end of Pittsburgh again. ;-)

I used to link that story in the the RGCs but I got tired of it.

2006-08-18 19:24:37
54.   trainwreck
Tight strike zone tonight.
2006-08-18 19:25:45
55.   Bluebleeder87
if he were picking up where his brother left off he would have at least given up one solo jack by now

he's got the little brother mentality.(i'll show you mentality)

2006-08-18 19:27:12
56.   Gen3Blue
I have to say that Schmidt got squeezed a bit here. Tight, yes I like that. But he will throw at least 25 pitches this inning and we could work with that.
2006-08-18 19:27:56
57.   Gen3Blue
I have to say that Schmidt got squeezed a bit here. Tight, yes I like that. But he will throw at least 25 pitches this inning and we could work with that.
2006-08-18 19:29:40
58.   Bluebleeder87
Brad Penny throws fastballs, let's counter the way the giants are thinking (off speed pitches)
2006-08-18 19:30:41
59.   thinkingblue
productive outs...
2006-08-18 19:31:22
60.   Bob Timmermann
Padres scored three runs in the first at home against the DBacks.
2006-08-18 19:32:21
61.   thinkingblue
C'mon Penny, don't pull a Schmidt on us...

nice catch Russ

2006-08-18 19:37:06
62.   Bluebleeder87

quick hands/great reaction by Martin

2006-08-18 19:37:55
63.   thinkingblue
Ethier doesn't like Schmidt.
2006-08-18 19:39:49
64.   Bluebleeder87
I'm thinking Ethier will be pull happy today (see how they pitched him last time) I wouldn't be suprised if Ethier hit one out to the bay today.
2006-08-18 19:40:12
65.   thinkingblue
Ump has a shifting K-zone.
2006-08-18 19:41:43
66.   Bluebleeder87

Ethier's noodles are hard at work, beleive me he will get a hit today (or will hit the ball hard)

2006-08-18 19:41:43
67.   thinkingblue
I'm not gonna get on Russ for one at bat, but I'd like to point out his very strange home/road splits, he's way better at dodger stadium.
2006-08-18 19:58:03
68.   Bluebleeder87
2-1 Giants bottom of the 3rd, furcal batting.
2006-08-18 19:58:44
69.   Jim Ignatowski
Houston's Lidge suffers another meltdown in the bottom of the 9th: HBP; Lidge-error; (followed by a mental error--letting a bunt roll foul then throwing the runner "out"); removed and placed in a straightjacket while Dan Wheeler gives up a hit on his first pitch and Brewers win 3-2.
2006-08-18 20:08:16
70.   Bob Timmermann
The 14-win barrier is apparently impenetrable in the National League this year for any pitcher.
2006-08-18 20:09:31
71.   Greg Brock
Meh. Vizquel barely got that one out. Total wall-scraper.
2006-08-18 20:09:35
72.   Bob Timmermann
I suppose Elmer Dessens will get to see some action tonight.
2006-08-18 20:09:54
73.   StolenMonkey86
Did Billingsley steal eveyone else's control?
2006-08-18 20:12:10
74.   Greg Brock
It's like my dad once told me. "Greg, when everything's going wrong, just sit back, take a deep breath, and hit Barry Bonds in the ribs with a fastball."

Words to live by

2006-08-18 20:12:59
75.   Jim Ignatowski
Well you won't believe this, but 87 year old Evander Holyfield is crawling into the ring to "fight" some unknown tonight. Didn't he retire about 6 years ago? The prefight included an interview with Kirby Puckett look-a-like Roberto Duran whose hands of stone have been grabbing a lot of jelly filled donuts.
2006-08-18 20:16:05
76.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankee pitchers finally had a scoreless half inning in the bottom of the sixth at Fenway.

They're a little over 3 hours after six innings with the longest doubleheader by time record looming.

2006-08-18 20:17:22
77.   Bob Timmermann
And Oakland looks to be headed for a doubleheader loss in Kansas City.
2006-08-18 20:23:58
78.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
2 line-outs by Kent and Betemit.

If Penny can stop the bleeding, I think we might be able to get to Schmidt. Neither starter looks terribly sharp.

And remember, never give up hope when your opponent has Benitez as their closer.


2006-08-18 20:24:00
79.   Jon Weisman
75 - Hi, Rev.
2006-08-18 20:25:38
80.   Bob Timmermann
Oh and Bronx Banter is at 629 comments right now.
2006-08-18 20:27:28
81.   StolenMonkey86
I'd be a little more encouraged if Penny could strike someone out who's not Schmidt, but with Schmidt's pitch count at 67 through 4, I think the Dodgers can come back late.
2006-08-18 20:27:47
82.   Jim Ignatowski

Greetings from the Church of the Peaceful

2006-08-18 20:30:54
83.   StolenMonkey86
from Gameday, it looks like Penny got fairly close to the track
2006-08-18 20:31:24
84.   Bob Timmermann

Probably because the ball was caught on the track.

2006-08-18 20:35:56
85.   StolenMonkey86
84 - ah, so it looked like spilled milk because it was spilled milk
2006-08-18 20:37:35
86.   tjshere
53 An emoticon, Bob? I thought you were smiley-phobic?
2006-08-18 20:40:45
87.   StolenMonkey86
there's something about Barry Bonds grounding out three times that makes you feel really good
2006-08-18 20:41:09
88.   Bob Timmermann

Me. Never. :-(

2006-08-18 20:42:09
89.   StolenMonkey86
what would really make my day would be an 8-3 groundout with the assist to Kenny Lofton, but that's asking quite a bit there
2006-08-18 20:42:36
90.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
re: 87

True, but I'd rather be winning, even if it meant Bonds had hit a dinger.

I hope the middle of the order can chase Schmidt next inning and we can get into the Giants' middle relief.

It'd help if Penny could regain his control, though.


2006-08-18 20:42:55
91.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 89


2006-08-18 20:44:24
92.   Bob Timmermann
Yankees now lead 11-10 in the 7th on a 3-run double by Jeter.
2006-08-18 20:44:59
93.   Jim Ignatowski
Jeter's 3 run double gives the Yanks a 11-10 lead still batting top 7th.
2006-08-18 20:47:17
94.   Bob Timmermann
12-10 now!
2006-08-18 20:48:16
95.   Bob Timmermann
2006-08-18 20:48:48
96.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Nice ABs by Lofton and Nomah.... but we seem to can't get a break.


2006-08-18 20:52:41
97.   Greg Brock
And there was much hostility at Sons of Sam Horn.
2006-08-18 20:52:42
98.   Jim Ignatowski
Holyfield wins the AARP special on a 2nd round TKO over Jeremy Bates who may not have thrown a punch and will be back in his insurance office Monday (no kidding).

Where's George Foreman?

I guess paying child support for 17 kids makes you do strange things.

2006-08-18 20:52:57
99.   Bluebleeder87
Oh and Bronx Banter is at 629 comments right now.

please see DT Threads, in the past (look at how quickly we get to 600) enough said. Jon just creates new threads.

2006-08-18 20:54:10
100.   StolenMonkey86
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2006-08-18 20:54:24
101.   Bob Timmermann
Bronx Banter went over 1000 for Game 1.
2006-08-18 20:56:25
102.   nick
75 ¡manos de gelatina!
2006-08-18 20:58:03
103.   tjshere
Well, there's the 6 out of Penny.
2006-08-18 20:59:23
104.   Bluebleeder87
Bronx Banter went over 1000 for Game 1.

most of there players are west coast born.(they have somebody hitting for the pitcher) weird.

2006-08-18 21:00:33
105.   Bob Timmermann
A Bronx Banterite told me that the second game tonight started at 5:05 pm PT. So they are at 3:55 or so right now and are threatening the Dodgers-Giants 9-inning record of 4:27 back in 2001. That was the game where Bonds set the single season home run record.
2006-08-18 21:03:17
106.   Bluebleeder87
75 ¡manos de gelatina!

muy vien dicho, Jon parese que no toma bevidas alcolicas (estoy en lo sierto Jon?)

2006-08-18 21:04:38
107.   nick
101 We're in the low 700s for game #2, Bob, but considering the state of the Yankee pen, 1000 is not out of reach...
2006-08-18 21:07:29
108.   Jim Ignatowski
Little Weaver strikes out the side with runners on 1st and 3rd. Angels lead 3-0 at the 7th inning stretch. Weaver over 100 pitches and is probably through on the verge of tying Whitey Ford's record of 9-0 from 1950.

Oakland swept by KC.

2006-08-18 21:08:41
109.   D4P
Bronx Banter went over 1000 for Game 1

I blame the respective blog names. "Banter" provokes discussion; "Thoughts" provokes contemplation...

2006-08-18 21:09:09
110.   StolenMonkey86
Penny's game score: 36
2006-08-18 21:09:23
111.   Bob Timmermann
There's no way the Dodgers-Giants record of 4:27 holds up unless the Yankees-Red Sox go to extra innings.
2006-08-18 21:11:20
112.   StolenMonkey86
From the prediction pile

"And so, thus begins the Dodgers' plummet to the end of the season. Brad Penny, who gets paid ace money to be a stopper, fell to the hated Giants, and the Dodger will never win a game again. Ever. Even if the other team forfeits." - Bill Plaschke, August 19, 2006

2006-08-18 21:11:34
113.   Greg Brock
108 I guess that would make Weaver the "Chairman of the surf-board."

I know. I'll go sit in a corner and think about what I just wrote.

2006-08-18 21:13:33
114.   nick
101 We're in the low 700s for game #2, Bob, but considering the state of the Yankee pen, 1000 is not out of reach...
2006-08-18 21:14:22
115.   StolenMonkey86
triples on a popup to Kent?!! Did someone shoot him with a tranquelizer dart or something?
2006-08-18 21:15:38
116.   regfairfield
Ray Durham triples (5) on a pop up to second baseman Jeff Kent.

Dare I ask?

2006-08-18 21:17:20
117.   StolenMonkey86
Gio strikes out Bonds before I can suggest setting Kent's mustache on fire
2006-08-18 21:18:58
118.   D4P
Regarding the triple to Kent:

Gameday shows the hit out near the right field wall...

2006-08-18 21:20:41
119.   StolenMonkey86
maybe that was just an error on the person who entered into gameday. anyone watching on TV see it?
2006-08-18 21:21:38
120.   StolenMonkey86
Felipe to bring in a left hander?
2006-08-18 21:22:53
121.   King of the Hobos
109 And Catfish Stew provokes the desire to eat, yet I have never had such a desire after reading the Stew.
2006-08-18 21:23:22
122.   StolenMonkey86
no, leaving his ace in after walking Repko . . .

I hope this looks familiar to Grady

2006-08-18 21:23:55
123.   PDH5204
118 119

The ball hit of those bricks out in RF. Kent had went way out into right and so the ball came to him after striking that brick wall.

2006-08-18 21:25:11
124.   StolenMonkey86
2 on in the top of the 8th for Nomar, 1 out.
2006-08-18 21:26:54
125.   StolenMonkey86
oh, ok. Gameday didn't have an option for that one, thus pop-up
2006-08-18 21:27:21
126.   StolenMonkey86
yay, Chulk!
2006-08-18 21:27:36
127.   D4P
Has it been noted here yet that Dessens has replaced Loney on the roster...?
2006-08-18 21:29:02
128.   Bob Timmermann
I mentioned earlier that I thought Dessens would pitch today.

It's a weird day. Nobody posted the lineups early. Nobody complained about who was going to the minors.

I felt like I was in a Bizarro World.

2006-08-18 21:30:21
129.   Gen3Blue
Given the meager team the Giant's should have next year, I don't see how they can give up Schmidt.It's too much to hope for that he's a Boras' client (is he?). At any rate it will be fun to see them pay full value.
2006-08-18 21:30:54
130.   thinkingblue
JD Drew really doesn't like 2 seamers or change ups does he?
2006-08-18 21:31:39
131.   D4P
And there's only 130 comments for a game vs. the Giants. It's Friday night: where is everybody?!?!?!?
2006-08-18 21:32:22
132.   tjshere
128 I would have much preferred to keep Loney and ditch Cararra but I'm very low-key in my complaining.
2006-08-18 21:32:38
133.   Bob Timmermann
It's possible this game could end before the Red Sox-Yankees game despite starting 2:15 after it.
2006-08-18 21:33:10
134.   D4P
Do Giants fans boo Kent...?
2006-08-18 21:33:22
135.   thinkingblue
I really don't like this ump, his K-zone is very inconsistant, and he takes forever to call a pitch.
2006-08-18 21:34:24
136.   Bob Timmermann

Very much so.

2006-08-18 21:36:28
137.   StolenMonkey86
it's old man Stanton!
2006-08-18 21:37:18
138.   Jim Ignatowski
With Stanton there is hope.
2006-08-18 21:37:58
139.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees-Red Sox have nudged the Dodgers-Giants out of the record book for longest game unless it goes to extra innings.

It's 14-10 Yankees in the top of the 9th.

2006-08-18 21:38:25
140.   nick
ok guys, Stanton, the Yanks took his good years--I call a shot from young Andre here....
2006-08-18 21:38:31
141.   thinkingblue

Only thing is that Loney would not have played much, but point taken.

2006-08-18 21:39:17
142.   Xeifrank
Friends of DT Fantasy Football league signups. 12 team H2H.
ID: 501880
PW: nomar
2006-08-18 21:39:27
143.   Greg Brock
135 Tim McClelland is consistently rated the best umpire in baseball by the players.
2006-08-18 21:39:48
144.   King of the Hobos
Houlton, who had been doing well after altering his delivery about a month ago, struggled in his last start before falling apart tonight. He got 2 outs and gave up 9 runs, none of which were earned. The 51's, however, have scored in every inning, and the game is currently tied 13-13 in the bottom of the 6th (and 2 runners are on with no outs, so they have a good chance to score in all 6 innings). Young and Kemp have both homered.
2006-08-18 21:40:17
145.   StolenMonkey86
come on Andre, ya gotta pull that junk here
2006-08-18 21:41:55
146.   StolenMonkey86
309 down the line is short
2006-08-18 21:42:17
147.   JoeyP
Dessens receives a very rude greeting.
2006-08-18 21:43:03
148.   thinkingblue
Well gee Elmer, thanks for backing my case.
2006-08-18 21:43:03
149.   D4P
From an Old Friend, no less
2006-08-18 21:43:26
150.   StolenMonkey86
finally, someone got Hillenbrand
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2006-08-18 21:43:46
151.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are now the only team in the NL West with a winning record. The DBacks lost to fall to .500.
2006-08-18 21:44:36
152.   thinkingblue
I missed it, any paticular reason Lugo is in for Furcal, was there a famous Grittle double switch?
2006-08-18 21:44:37
153.   JoeyP
Didnt Dessens start the game Finley GS'ed in?
They really are old friends.
2006-08-18 21:45:09
154.   Greg Brock
Dios Mio. Nice play, Betemit.
2006-08-18 21:46:05
155.   Gen3Blue
128,132 At this point, unless the vets could hit Shmidt at least as well as Lofton, I would rather be playing Loney Kemp and Laroche. I know I am an impatient bugger.
But Schmidt will usually win unless you can throw an ace at him.
2006-08-18 21:47:41
156.   StolenMonkey86
2006-08-18 21:49:25
157.   JoeyP
Quite possible LaRoche will be playing 3b against LHP in September. As well as Kemp playing CF against LHP.

Of course, not many lefties on the schedule, but it should be fun watching all the youngsters in the lineup at once.

2006-08-18 21:53:16
158.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees-Red Sox ended about 10 seconds before this one.
2006-08-18 21:53:24
159.   Gagne55
:-( Well, hopefully the Dodgers can come back to win this series. This will be the Giants 5th straight win. I could see them going on a 17-3 or so stretch. sigh
2006-08-18 21:54:45
160.   thinkingblue
Just a question, why does a batter feel so incredibly compelled to swing 3-1, no matter what?

And that 3-0 pitch to Martin is exactly why I don't like that ump. It took until Russell got out of the box to make the call.

2006-08-18 21:55:39
161.   Greg Brock
We lost to Jason Schmidt. Last time, he threw 8 scoreless, and we won.

I'm not too upset.

2006-08-18 21:57:06
162.   JoeyP
Should be interesting tomorrow watching Maddux go back up against the Giants.

Wonder if their brain dead hacking approach will be changed this time 'round?

2006-08-18 22:02:10
163.   bhsportsguy
160 I've pointed out before that a most MLB batters hit well over .300 on 3-1 pitches.

{159] I would never say never but since they don't play the Padres anymore, I don't think they could go on that kind of run.

Finally, it would not surprise if LaRoche does not even get a call up, maybe Kemp will get some PH opportunities but if the teams remain close, I'm not sure if the lineup you saw tonite won't be the lineup you see for the majority of the games left in the season.

2006-08-18 22:05:42
164.   bhsportsguy
I think the problem with Maddux is that you know he will throw strikes, the question is what kind of strikes are they, changing speeds, on the corners or hittable pitches.

Facing Maddux is the catch 22 for the batter, if you let him get ahead, he won't blow you away but you know the umpires are going call anything close a strike.

Now, last time he had game like Sunday's, he gave up some hits but he does keep the ball in the ball park, so we shall see what happens. But it would be nice if this team started to hit again.

2006-08-18 22:09:45
165.   StolenMonkey86
this is the first time Schmidt has beaten the Dodgers this year
2006-08-18 22:10:00
166.   Greg Brock
USA vs. Puerto Rico on ESPN 2.

You must respect Carlos Arroyo.

Not really.

2006-08-18 22:14:46
167.   regfairfield
160 When are you allowed to swing?
2006-08-18 22:16:35
168.   StolenMonkey86
what was penny throwing, anyway?
2006-08-18 22:17:35
169.   D4P
what was penny throwing, anyway?

Caution to the wind?

2006-08-18 22:23:59
170.   Greg Brock
168 The term you're looking for is "Batting Practice"
2006-08-18 22:30:09
171.   JoeyP
The only swing I found questionable was Drew swinging 2-0 with the bases juiced/1out, after Nomar had just walked before him. Down by 5 runs, I didnt think it was a very smart play. Not making an out was more important in that situation than trying to drive the ball IMO.
2006-08-18 22:32:32
172.   Greg Brock
Puerto Rico 24, United States 23. Start of the second quarter.

If you're a fan of trapezoids, goaltending, and comatose fans, this is the game for you.

2006-08-18 22:43:33
173.   D4P
I prefer rhombuses
2006-08-18 22:44:39
174.   Greg Brock
2006-08-18 22:52:10
175.   Greg Brock
By the way, this is definitely the best basketball game I've ever seen played at the Hokkaido Perfectural Sports Center.
2006-08-18 22:52:38
176.   dzzrtRatt
Guess I picked a good night to blow off the Dodger game. I had to pick my son up in La Jolla. We started back around 7, and I figured we'd listen to the game on the way up. But he was kind of hyper and wanted to talk, so I gave up and put on some music. Eventually, I played him the "suite" that ends "Abbey Road" (from "You Never Give Me Your Money" to "The End.") He's 16 and knows a lot of Beatle music but he'd never heard it before. He loved it! So I'm glad I didn't spend too much time grumbling along with Charley and Rick.

Glad also that tomorrow's is a night game, so it won't get burned up by Fox. I think highly of Maddux as a competitor (note: This is unmeasureable.) I think he'll work extra hard to end this losing streak.

2006-08-18 22:55:11
177.   D4P
I think highly of Maddux as a competitor (note: This is unmeasureable.)

Admit it: you love Bill Plaschke

2006-08-18 22:57:49
178.   Bob Timmermann

Is that in Sapporo? Or Hakodate?

2006-08-18 23:00:19
179.   Greg Brock
178 Sapporo City

176 Eventually, I played him the "suite" that ends "Abbey Road" (from "You Never Give Me Your Money" to "The End."

Your son is in good hands. He shall become a man.

2006-08-18 23:05:54
180.   dzzrtRatt
177 Admit it: you love Bill Plaschke

Indeed not!

2006-08-18 23:08:33
181.   Bob Timmermann
Tokyo-Sapporo is the busiest domestic air route in the world.
2006-08-18 23:12:29
182.   Greg Brock
181 What's your opinion of "You Gotta Have Wa" by Robert Whiting. I've heard good things.
2006-08-18 23:16:25
183.   Bob Timmermann
Excellent book.
2006-08-18 23:17:56
184.   Greg Brock
183 Then I'll purchase it this weekend. Excellent escape from writing lesson plans.
2006-08-18 23:23:52
185.   Greg Brock
In Group A (the Global Turmoil group), Lebanon defeated Venezuela 82-72.

I hope you bet wisely.

2006-08-18 23:34:38
186.   dzzrtRatt
184 Gosh from reading the description on Amazon, "wa" sounds suspiciously like "chemistry." But then I guess that's the point of the book.
2006-08-18 23:42:35
187.   Greg Brock
186 Bob can speak to this far better than I can, but the concept of "Wa" is a lot more than chemistry. I was fortunate enough to speak with an American who played baseball in Japan, and the whole environment is just very different.

I wouldn't do it justice. But it's a lot more than chemistry.

2006-08-18 23:53:47
188.   fanerman
176 - I listened to Abbey Road in its entirety for the first time at around 16. Awesome stuff. I loved the medley bit. Still one of my favorite albums of all time.
2006-08-18 23:55:48
189.   Bob Timmermann
"Wa" isn't chemistry as much "as don't rock the boat."
2006-08-19 00:00:40
190.   Greg Brock
189 I understood it to mean, "You're a chess piece on the board. There is an overall goal, and you do what is told to achieve the end result."
2006-08-19 00:26:38
191.   das411
Maybe these will wake people up...

For the legions of Sal Pals, from Klapisch's article today:

"Sal Fasano, who caught Wang in Columbus that year and is once again a teammate in the Bronx, summed up the transformation: 'He became a totally different pitcher in like a week. I remember one game after the All-Star break, we were playing Pawtucket, in that little bandbox of a stadium they have, and Chien just blew their hitters away. He was throwing some serious ched [velocity] right by them.' "

For everybody flashing back to long ballgames, lots of old friends here. Notice the starter for Seattle, the winning pitcher, and who scored that winning run:

2006-08-19 00:45:06
192.   GoBears
"Wa" means "harmony" (the peaceful coexistence kind, not the musical kind). It's actually a pretty straightforward translation, unlike a lot of Japanese words, for which there is no single English equivalent.

So baseball-wise, it's sorta like the "everyone get along" part of chemistry, but not the goofy "synergy" part of the chemistry.

Oh, and it's Japan, so of course "getting along" mostly means "conforming" and not so much "tolerating each other's uniqueness."

So Bob got it about right: don't rock the boat. Harmony through conformity and discipline.

2006-08-19 05:13:24
193.   bluetahoe
Bradford needs to get it in gear. Right now, here is how I see our rotation.

Ace - Derek Lowe
2) Gregory Maddux
3) Billz
4) Penny

To put things into persepective Hendy's 2nd half ERA (5.26) is much better than Bradford's 2nd half ERA (5.70).

If the playoffs started today and we were facing St. Louis I'd be inclined to give Hendy the call in game 4 over Penny. Hendy threw a masterpiece in St. Louis earlier this season.

2006-08-19 08:46:03
194.   Greg Brock
Hendrickson over Penny. Right. Power pitcher in the playoffs, replaced by miserable lefty. Gotcha.
2006-08-19 09:16:45
195.   D4P
Has it been a week already...?
2006-08-19 09:17:12
196.   Jon Weisman
Brad Penny's full name is Bradley Wayne Penny.
2006-08-19 09:40:02
197.   Bluebleeder87

hard throwing Oklahoma kid

2006-08-19 10:17:58
198.   Greg Brock
I hate Derek Jeter with the fire of a thousand suns. And I don't really hate much in life.

Just thought you should know that.

2006-08-19 10:19:03
199.   Bob Timmermann
There have been only three major leaguers who have had the first name of Bradford

1) Brad(ford) Springer - 1925-26
2) Brad(ford) Brink - 1992-94
3) Brad(ford) Halsey - 2004-06

2006-08-19 11:53:09
200.   Linkmeister
199 Awaiting "West Wing" joke...
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2006-08-19 11:55:34
201.   Marty
Apparently, every golfer at the PGA is trying to attain wa at once. Nine-way tie for the lead.
2006-08-19 12:00:32
202.   Greg Brock
201 I smell RPS playoff
2006-08-19 12:29:56
203.   bluetahoe
I went into the San Fran series with this mindset:

Schmidt-Penny (80% chance SF wins)
Hennessey-Maddux (50-50)
Morris-Lowe (80% chance we win)

For some reason Brad Hennessey scares the bejeezers out of me. We need to pounce on him early and often.

I keep having bad visions of Maddux having one his 4IP, 7 run outings. He's been near perfect dawning the blue so far, but he's due for a bad one. If we get swept I'm going to be antsy.

2006-08-19 12:34:28
204.   Bluebleeder87
203 good points, but I like our chances today, tomorrow even better.
2006-08-19 12:39:30
205.   bluetahoe
We were 4-0 in games started by Schmidt prior to last night. It would seem kind of unlucky we could possibly face Schmidt in every series (6 times). But if I was told we'd face Schmidt 6 times and go 4-2 in those starts I'd be doing somersalts in a muddy cornfield.

Arizona is benching Carlos Quentin for the 3rd straight games. Don't those yahoos realize they have a legitimate shot at postseason play?

2006-08-19 12:43:35
206.   Greg Brock
204 Hey, get back over there.
2006-08-19 12:45:33
207.   Fallout
>>>Contrary to unpopular belief, Brad Penny averages six innings per start.<<<

OK you reeled me in. It seems to me that he is throwing more innings than earlier in the season because he has become more efficient with his pitches. Earlier in the season he would throw 100 pitches and only completed 5 innings and was gone. Now he seems to be getting 6+ innings with the same 100 or so pitches.

2006-08-19 13:54:56
208.   thinkingblue
I'm not sure why, but I really question a lot of what Theo Epstein has done after the 2004 season.

1) letting go OC for Renteria, which wasn't the bad part, but then trading Renteria for a guy they wouldn't keep, and trading away their future short stop Ramirez. They then ended up with Alex Gonzalez.

2) letting Damon go, and getting Coco Crisp instead.

3) Letting D-Lowe and Pedro go for Clement and Wells. Sure, Pedro is getting older, but for whatever he would give you, it's better than Clement or Wells.

4) Not trading Hansen and Lester for Jones. Sure, that may not have made sense, but in turn, the sox would have traded Jones for Oswalt, so the trade would have been Lester and Hansen for Oswalt. I'm sorry, that's a trade I'm doing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the fact is that the red sox have gotten worse each year since their championship, and Epstein seems to want to rebuild when his team is championship caliber, that just doesn't make sense. Can anyone explain to me why I'm wrong here?

2006-08-19 14:05:06
209.   JoeyP
Has it been a week already...?

Even more reason to stay away from this blog and its comment section.

2006-08-19 14:17:44
210.   Bluebleeder87
Maybe I'm wrong, but the fact is that the red sox have gotten worse each year since their championship, and Epstein seems to want to rebuild when his team is championship caliber, that just doesn't make sense. Can anyone explain to me why I'm wrong here?

you make great points, so not really

2006-08-19 14:22:11
211.   Jon Weisman
Sounds good, JoeyP. Why don't you take a week off, starting now?
2006-08-19 14:44:17
212.   Marty
My commenting will be light this weekend. I'm heading off (with one good and one incontinent dog) to beautiful Newbury Park for the weekend to celebrate my brother-in-law's birthday.
2006-08-19 14:46:14
213.   Jon Weisman
212 - Just when Tiger's taking the lead ...
2006-08-19 14:47:42
214.   bhsportsguy
Kershaw is turning into a relief pitcher, today he got a save.

No worries, his team needed a win to clinch their playoff spot, he only threw 1 inning, 2 strikeouts.

He will probably get one more start in the playoffs and then go to the instuctional league. All in all not a bad start.

2006-08-19 14:53:46
215.   Marty
Not gone yet, so I saw him take the lead. Also, hopefully they'll let me have the game on tonight.
2006-08-19 14:55:20
216.   mankatododger
Listening to the Padres radio broadcast. They are already playing a "Beat LA" commercial for that upcoming series.
2006-08-19 15:12:50
217.   Bluebleeder87

so un original.

2006-08-19 15:16:10
218.   Greg Brock
I like the "Beat LA" chant. It's so petty, it's awesome.
2006-08-19 15:19:24
219.   bhsportsguy
I'm dating myself but the first time I heard that chant was watching the final game of the playoffs when the Sixers were beating the Celtics and the Boston fans began chanting "Beat L.A." since the winner of that game was going to play the Lakers in the finals.
2006-08-19 15:21:51
220.   Bluebleeder87
219 I'm dating myself

hallo!! were did that come from?

2006-08-19 15:23:11
221.   Greg Brock
I always wanted to start a "Beat LA" chant a Dodger stadium against the Giants. Just to turn it on its ear.

If you know the story of the Tottenham Hotspur fans adopting the name "Jew Army" (and who doesn't know that story?), it's kind of what I'd like to do with "Beat LA"

2006-08-19 15:28:43
222.   twerp
Does anyone know the amount of time a ML hitter has to decide to swing?

Whatever it is, wonder how reaction times of those who might like to play with this compare?

2006-08-19 15:31:49
223.   regfairfield
222 An 88 MPH fastball reaches the plate in .46 seconds, so you can start from there.
2006-08-19 15:37:08
224.   Greg Brock
222 That was fun! Average .2122. Not sure if that's good. It is what it is.
2006-08-19 15:43:25
225.   Bluebleeder87
Whatever it is, wonder how reaction times of those who might like to play with this compare?

i don't know how well i did, but i have about 6,7 tecate's in my bellie already (i think i did o.k. all things considered)

2006-08-19 15:43:49
226.   Bob Timmermann
2006-08-19 15:44:23
227.   Fallout
219 I'm dating myself

220hallo!! were did that come from

From his other side.

2006-08-19 15:47:16
228.   Greg Brock

My scores get worse on each successive click.

2006-08-19 15:47:24
229.   Bluebleeder87
That was fun! Average .2122. Not sure if that's good. It is what it is.

my competetive juices are flowing know, i'll be back (must beat you)

2006-08-19 15:48:55
230.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Phillips recalled by Toronto!
2006-08-19 15:53:04
231.   Bob Timmermann
Kirk Rueter will be honored by the Giants before the game. In his honor, Brad Henessey will throw nothing but slop up to the plate, the Dodgers will score four runs in 5 1/3 innings off of him and the Giants will win 5-4 on seven infield hits and two errors by Wilson Betemit.
2006-08-19 15:55:49
232.   Bluebleeder87

my best score was 0.190+ something, tecate is making my noodles go hey wire :o) burp

2006-08-19 15:56:00
233.   twerp
229, others...Should a DT Reaction Time fantasy league be formed? <;)
2006-08-19 15:56:22
234.   Fallout
I'm 56 and got .1842 ave.
2006-08-19 16:03:39
235.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona and San Diego playing a very typical NL West game.
2006-08-19 16:07:20
236.   Bluebleeder87
234 I'm 56 and got .1842 ave.

[wunded ego coming thrue]

2006-08-19 16:09:37
237.   Scanman33
.173 so far
2006-08-19 16:09:55
238.   twerp
I couldn't comment the other day when story broke about Kevin Brown pulling a gun on his neighbor (who supposedly threw grass clippings into his yard)....

KB reportedly said he kept the gun to shoot snakes.

Why do I have visions of Kevin Brown and Dick Cheney teaming up to go snake hunting?

Jon, could this be a storyline for something?

2006-08-19 16:11:32
239.   Bluebleeder87

i've had 7 tecates

2006-08-19 16:12:45
240.   Scanman33
239-I just sat in a Masters class for the last 7 hours
2006-08-19 16:17:22
241.   Bluebleeder87
0.1702 i beat you i just did the test again.
2006-08-19 16:18:38
242.   Scanman33
241-Looks like I need to go down a few then and give it another try.
2006-08-19 16:18:48
243.   D4P
Yikes. After 5 tests, I average .2468 (who do we really hate)
2006-08-19 16:19:48
244.   Greg Brock
We really could have used this game over at The Griddle.
2006-08-19 16:21:34
245.   Fallout
single best time: .156
2006-08-19 16:23:25
246.   Bluebleeder87

how tall are you?

2006-08-19 16:24:39
247.   D4P
2006-08-19 16:24:55
248.   Jon Weisman
244 - The contest has been sanctioned. Game thread is open.

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