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September 7 Game Chat
2006-09-07 15:30
by Jon Weisman
Comments (280)
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2006-09-07 16:00:06
1.   Gagne55
Frist Post! :D
2006-09-07 16:02:49
2.   Telemachos
Frist typo! :)
2006-09-07 16:05:02
3.   Bluebleeder87
3rd post & many typo's!! :o)
2006-09-07 16:08:06
4.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner is having a nice conversation with Russell Martin on prime/fox
2006-09-07 16:13:30
5.   Telemachos
You go, Lugo!
2006-09-07 16:13:56
6.   Bluebleeder87
Lugo please prove me wrong today!!
2006-09-07 16:14:41
7.   natepurcell
the game is on and im stuck in the computer labd at school writing about cherokee cosmology.

life just isn't fair sometimes.

2006-09-07 16:15:55
8.   Bob Timmermann
Go Julio, Dodger Thoughts new symbol of collective hatred!
2006-09-07 16:16:28
9.   Bob Timmermann
Did you at least find a book about Cherokee cosmology? Or a journal article?
2006-09-07 16:16:35
10.   Marty
You sure it isn't Cherokee cosmotology?
2006-09-07 16:16:36
11.   ssjames
5 When was at the game last time, I was shouting "You go, Lugo!!!!!" everytime he came up to bat. I was ridiculed roundly by the people I was with.
2006-09-07 16:16:39
12.   StolenMonkey86
nomar singled on a 3-2 pitch
2006-09-07 16:16:45
13.   Bluebleeder87
hit it out Drew.
2006-09-07 16:17:06
14.   natepurcell

yea i have resources. I just dont want to do it because its retarded.

2006-09-07 16:18:01
15.   Bluebleeder87
i understand Glavine getting the out side corner, i mean the guy throws 80 miles an hour.
2006-09-07 16:18:15
16.   Bob Timmermann
That's called "education!"
2006-09-07 16:18:29
17.   Humma Kavula
I hated Julio Lugo before hating Julio Lugo was en vogue.
2006-09-07 16:18:43
18.   Marty
The preferred term is "challenged". It's a challenged assignment.
2006-09-07 16:19:00
19.   StolenMonkey86
16 - It's funny because it's true.
2006-09-07 16:19:53
20.   Bluebleeder87

it was actualy a good pitch, i'm way to biased for my Dodgers. :o)

2006-09-07 16:20:44
21.   Bob Timmermann
Which of the three old friends in the lineup will be the villain tonight?
2006-09-07 16:21:07
22.   Greg Brock
14 I tried to explain the difference between primary sources and secondary sources. The students all say, "Uh, we don't really need to know this, do we?" And I reply, "Only if you ever plan to go to college."

They seem to care much more after that.

2006-09-07 16:21:20
23.   Bluebleeder87
let's see what Brad Penny has in store for us.
2006-09-07 16:21:20
24.   Bob Timmermann
Marlins 1, Phillies 0 after a Cabrera homer in the first.
2006-09-07 16:22:44
25.   gpellamjr
14 This quarter I'm taking a seminar on Hesiod's Cosmology and Near Eastern Cosmogonies. I think it's good stuff. You just have to try and care about something other than money and Dodger prospects.
2006-09-07 16:22:56
26.   natepurcell

secondary sources are much easier to obtain then primary sources. especially about cherokee cosmology.

2006-09-07 16:23:06
27.   Bob Timmermann
3-0 Marlins after a 2-run homer by Jacobs.
2006-09-07 16:23:29
28.   gpellamjr
22 I wish I had your students. Mine are in college and refuse to understand. It's not that difficult.
2006-09-07 16:23:36
29.   StolenMonkey86
gun reading for Penny?
2006-09-07 16:23:37
30.   scooplew
When one's clean-up hitter takes a called third strike with two on in the first -- by the way, shouldn't we have a righty batting fourth against Glavine? -- it does not fill one with confidence about the game. I do not have a good feeling about this match-up, Penny will have to be on his game against this line-up, which is solid one through seven.
2006-09-07 16:24:25
31.   Telemachos
Lo Duca's Gameday picture appears to be from his high school days.
2006-09-07 16:24:45
32.   natepurcell
Jose Reyes is having an amazing year.
2006-09-07 16:24:49
33.   Bluebleeder87
let's hope Pauly lives up to his name sake & hits in to a DP
2006-09-07 16:25:19
34.   Bob Timmermann
I so much want to make a joke out of that, but I am a gentleman.
2006-09-07 16:25:20
35.   natepurcell

offer them a 6pack for every right them and they will understand.

2006-09-07 16:25:21
36.   Greg Brock
I would imagine finding graphic representations of Cherokee language would not be particularly easy.
2006-09-07 16:25:49
37.   Telemachos
30 According to Gameday, it looked like a well-placed pitch. Would you rather he swung and missed, or hit a weak grounder to the shortstop (and in all likelihood, into a double-play)?
2006-09-07 16:26:44
38.   natepurcell
35 doesn't really make sense but it gives you the gist of the message.
2006-09-07 16:26:48
39.   Marty
31 I was just gonna post the same thing. Who could tell he was a degenerate gambler?
2006-09-07 16:26:50
40.   Telemachos
34 Nothing to do with the NY Post, certainly.
2006-09-07 16:27:01
41.   Greg Brock
28 Many of my kids are spurred on with the notion of being the first person in the history of their small universe to attend college.
2006-09-07 16:27:20
42.   Bluebleeder87
Stiner's love for NY should stop, you're pay check comes from L.A. BROTHA!!
2006-09-07 16:28:10
43.   scooplew
I wonder how many times from 1962 through 1966 Koufax gave up two-strike hits to the first two batters in the first inning.
2006-09-07 16:28:25
44.   Marty
Penny certainly knows how to take a game over from the start.
2006-09-07 16:29:04
45.   Humma Kavula
Well, at least Furcal...
2006-09-07 16:29:11
46.   Bluebleeder87
NY strikes 1st!

LoDuca those us a favor

2006-09-07 16:30:10
47.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal threw a rope to who ever is playing 3rd today.
2006-09-07 16:30:37
48.   Marty
Loogy is playing third
2006-09-07 16:30:42
49.   Bob Timmermann
At least you're not setting the bar too high.

You know I hated the UCLA basketball team last year too. You know why? They LOST in the final.


2006-09-07 16:30:43
50.   scooplew
What's the over/under on how many batters Penny faces before he retires someone?
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2006-09-07 16:31:21
51.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like Penny got mad an is throwing the ball alot harder, easy at 95 plus now. he starterd throwing 92 MPH.
2006-09-07 16:32:18
52.   overkill94
Ummm, I think Kemp needs some more work in CF. That play was pretty Loftonesque.
2006-09-07 16:32:59
53.   Gen3Blue
Here is how our starters and our streaky offense have often done us in this year.
The starter gives several runs in the first
few innings, and the batters say "OK, we are beat". And to give this to a guy like Glavine is almost obscene.
God--can Penny throw any more creampuffs!
2006-09-07 16:35:04
54.   Bluebleeder87
Atleast the Dodgers won't go backrupt any time soon [please see both NY teams] super star talent coming in for the Dodgers.
2006-09-07 16:35:10
55.   Daniel Zappala
Has any pitcher ever gotten through an entire inning while giving up a hit to every batter?
2006-09-07 16:35:13
56.   underdog
Um.... yeah, that really looked like a Bison chasing the ball in CF. I think he thought it was gone.

Btw, I did see Kenny Lofton's incredible catch when he was with the Indians on ESPN's all-time Web Gems list, which reminded me how good he once was. He might have misplayed that one, too, but I have a feeling his experience would have helped and he might have made that catch. Oh well. Penny never does well against the Mets. He'll be lucky to get out of this inning with 2 runs.

And just as we talk about it... nice play by Kemp to almost redeem himself.

2006-09-07 16:35:22
57.   Greg Brock
It's tough to hate a guy who's intro music is the theme from Sanford and Son.
2006-09-07 16:35:33
58.   Bob Timmermann
So by your count, the Dodger batters have not given up 74 times and have given up 65 times, all out of some sort of weird psychological hold that the opposing pitcher has?
2006-09-07 16:36:05
59.   scooplew
53 -- I was just thinking the same thing. When we fall behind early, we are generally toast.
2006-09-07 16:36:19
60.   underdog
Yeah, he's really lucky to only have those 2 up on the board. Sheesh...
2006-09-07 16:36:42
61.   Bob Timmermann
The Marlins lead was short lived. Philadelphia tied the game in the second 3-3.
2006-09-07 16:36:44
62.   Bluebleeder87
Glavine pitching today, makes me feel kind of confident we can score runs. but i 2nd that thought with him getting a huge break with his outside pitches being called strikes
2006-09-07 16:37:35
63.   Gagne55
Matt Kemp should not play center field.
2006-09-07 16:37:43
64.   underdog
I meant "whew," not "sheesh." Or maybe I meant, "shew..." or "wheesh." Any of those words describe that inning.

We can still get to Glavine, but, boy the Mets lineup is tough. I think Lowe and Maddux would be better bets against them with more offspeed stuff.

2006-09-07 16:38:40
65.   Gen3Blue
We will be lucky if no one gets injured by a wicked line drive off a Penny pitch. And Martin doesn't need this much rest. If Martin gets much more rest, he will have the whole post season to rest.
Glavine has been shaky the last month, just like Penny, but I fear he will smell victory and be amazing tonight. It will be due to the early game and the way we played it.
2006-09-07 16:39:15
66.   underdog
On the other hand, this one just might not be in the cards...

Let's go Kemp, atone for your CF'ing miscue.

2006-09-07 16:39:38
67.   overkill94
That was a very awkward catch at the fence by Green there
2006-09-07 16:39:39
68.   Bluebleeder87
i like that at bat by Kemp, him going the other way.
2006-09-07 16:39:53
69.   underdog
What did I just say? Yup. Not in the cards.
2006-09-07 16:40:58
70.   Gen3Blue
58--we will see. I was encouraged by Kents drive.
2006-09-07 16:41:09
71.   Bluebleeder87
i hope Penny re-groups & throws better this time out.
2006-09-07 16:41:55
72.   JoeyP
Loduca's baserunning blunder helped keep the Dodgers in the game. Isnt there some rule about not making the 1st out at 3rd base?
2006-09-07 16:42:03
73.   underdog
2006-09-07 16:42:09
74.   Jim Hitchcock
So, here I am, stuck in Carson City with no Vin Scully, Bob T, SB or Jon...hey, where's
2006-09-07 16:42:28
75.   Bluebleeder87
have i mentioned howe much my hatred for NY runs trhue my veins!
2006-09-07 16:43:04
76.   Bob Timmermann

Jim is back! The only reason for sticking around tonight!

Welcome back, Jim!

2006-09-07 16:43:08
77.   Bluebleeder87

he's a former Dodger, he wants to stick it to us.

2006-09-07 16:43:58
78.   blue22
77 - By playing braindead baseball? Fine by me.
2006-09-07 16:44:47
79.   JoeyP
Green grounding out to second never gets old.
2006-09-07 16:44:57
80.   Bluebleeder87
i like our chances with long swings like Valentine & Green in there.
2006-09-07 16:45:28
81.   Jim Hitchcock
Hiya, Bob! I'm sneaking in on the computer at work, so I may not be around long. Miss you fellows bad.

Man, is this the year of the streaky Dodgers, or what?

2006-09-07 16:45:36
82.   Bob Timmermann
If all former (insert team name here) wanted to stick it to their former team, then baseball would be just one big war of revenge.
2006-09-07 16:45:51
83.   regfairfield
76 I'm not good enough for you anymore, Bob?
2006-09-07 16:45:57
84.   Bluebleeder87

duse the thought (sp?)

2006-09-07 16:46:23
85.   Bob Timmermann

More streaks than your windshield gets after a "washing" on Skid Row!

2006-09-07 16:47:00
86.   overkill94
I want the good Brad Penny back...
2006-09-07 16:47:07
87.   Bluebleeder87
Penny dose Valentine a favor & throws a sleepy curve!
2006-09-07 16:47:30
88.   Icaros
I don't think I've seen Jim Hitchcock around all season.

Bob's long lost cousin has come back!

2006-09-07 16:47:34
89.   Jim Hitchcock
You've got to find an alternate way home from work, Bob...
2006-09-07 16:47:38
90.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry. I was psychologically scarred by the early going and had given up on the thread.
2006-09-07 16:47:39
91.   JoeyP
Why couldnt he do that for us last year?

Oh yeah, he tore up his knee.

2006-09-07 16:48:02
92.   Bluebleeder87
minus on Hall for calling that pitch
2006-09-07 16:48:32
93.   Jim Hitchcock
Hi, Icaros...any luck gaining wings yet?
2006-09-07 16:48:44
94.   overkill94
Has Penny gotten the ball down once tonight?
2006-09-07 16:49:05
95.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, Toby Hall should not call for the gopher ball. I think the coaches are working with him on that one.
2006-09-07 16:49:11
96.   Bluebleeder87
why is Hall calling all those freaking bad curves for!!!
2006-09-07 16:49:20
97.   Gagne55
Valentin was worse than worthless last year. And yet, he's been productive with the Mets. Go figure.
2006-09-07 16:49:38
98.   Telemachos
Single by Glavine? Ouch.
2006-09-07 16:50:21
99.   Gen3Blue
We could have kept Valentin if he got to face pitchers like the D's starters.
Geez Reyes drive-lord I hope he finds himself before someone gets hurt.
2006-09-07 16:50:31
100.   Nagman
96 Yes, he should only signal for good curves.
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2006-09-07 16:50:47
101.   Bluebleeder87
Valentine has a long swing, Valentine had bad swings on Penny fastball, why in the world would Toby Hall call for a sleepy curve!!?
2006-09-07 16:50:59
102.   scareduck
97 - it's called being injured, versus not. Too bad for the Dodgers.
2006-09-07 16:51:13
103.   JoeyP
Hall must be calling for curves bc Penny gets too many foul balls off of his fastball, which drives up the pitch count.

However, I'd rather have 5ip of 0 runs with Penny throwing 100 fastballs, rather than 6ip of 4run on a mixture of pitches.

2006-09-07 16:51:15
104.   regfairfield
95 Yyou'd think Penny would have the presence of mind to shake him off.
2006-09-07 16:51:28
105.   Bluebleeder87
i still like our chances against Glavine though.
2006-09-07 16:51:33
106.   scareduck
95 - LOL!
2006-09-07 16:51:37
107.   Icaros

That plan is out the window. I work at a hospital now.

2006-09-07 16:51:56
108.   Bob Timmermann
"Here are the signals Charlie Brown. One finger is for a high straight ball. Two fingers is for a low straight ball."
"But what about my curve, Schroder? What about my knuckler? What about my wicked screwball?"
"One finger is for a high straight ball and two fingers is for a low straight ball."
2006-09-07 16:52:11
109.   scareduck
Haven't a fair number of these guys had a good look at Penny back from when he was a Marlin?
2006-09-07 16:52:49
110.   Bluebleeder87
i'm having very bad thoughts about Hall at the moment!!
2006-09-07 16:52:54
111.   Bob Timmermann
#54 for Ryan Howard. Phillies up 4-3.
2006-09-07 16:52:58
112.   scareduck
108 - did you read that piece on BTF about Charlie Brown? Hi-fargin'-larious.
2006-09-07 16:53:54
113.   Bluebleeder87
& Steiners love fest for NY HAS TO STOP!!
2006-09-07 16:54:11
114.   blue22
110 - Must be Hall. Is Penny yelling at him yet?
2006-09-07 16:54:37
115.   regfairfield
I was trying to figure out how to work in a Charlie Brown straight ball refrence in there.
2006-09-07 16:55:43
116.   Bob Timmermann
Of the players in the Mets lineup tonight, Shawn Green has the most PA appearances against Penny. 27 counting tonight.
2006-09-07 16:55:54
117.   Gen3Blue
Good, at least Penny has only used 48 pitches so he can go 2 or 3 more innings.
I admit I'm being unfair with this sample of his physical ability. But I hate his personality. How long is his contract.
2006-09-07 16:56:34
118.   underdog
I think he should call for a Bugs Bunny curveball instead. Those always work better.

Meanwhile, the Dodgers won't get anywhere not hitting 'em where they ain't. Not like Glavine's fooling anyone tonight. But...

2006-09-07 16:57:39
119.   JoeyP
I have a feeling that Lowe will be pitching Sunday if the Dodgers lose the first 3 of this series.
2006-09-07 16:58:07
120.   Bluebleeder87
3-0 Met's i'm still cool with that, i just hope the Dodgers bats wake up.
2006-09-07 16:58:27
121.   Linkmeister
O/T: Interview with Juan Marichal on NPR's ATC

2006-09-07 16:59:39
122.   Bluebleeder87

do disrespect gen3 but it's called being honest with you're self & not being phony!.IMO.

2006-09-07 16:59:41
123.   scooplew
Oh my gosh! I see where Hendrickson is listed as the starter on Sunday against Trachsel. Perhaps some of you were aware of this already...
2006-09-07 17:00:54
124.   underdog
"That's the old pepper, boy. That's the old pitchin'. Come on, ol' boy, ol' boy."
2006-09-07 17:01:47
125.   Bluebleeder87

Plus it works for him so i'm cool with it.

2006-09-07 17:02:00
126.   underdog
That doesn't mean anything Scoop, the Dodgers were still undecided last I heard... it's either him, Sele or Stults. None of those prospects excite me much. Let's see how the Mets do against Kuo before throwing another rookie at them. I'd go with Sele myself...
2006-09-07 17:03:05
127.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like Brad Penny is settling in, as soon as i say that Wright gets a hit.
2006-09-07 17:03:11
128.   Bob Timmermann
How many fingers is it for a powerful, paralyzing, perfect pachydermous percussion pitch?
2006-09-07 17:05:07
129.   Bluebleeder87
i'd throw there version of our J.D. Drew pure fastballs.
2006-09-07 17:05:29
130.   Bluebleeder87
thank you Penny for listening.
2006-09-07 17:06:14
131.   underdog
"Atta boy. That's the only pitchin' it. Come on. Right down the old alley!" I think the Gashouse Gorillas got gassed on that last pitch. Whew.
2006-09-07 17:06:53
132.   Gen3Blue
122 No offense taken . this is a place for opinion. Do you like Penny for being his own man? I'll consider this.
2006-09-07 17:06:53
133.   Bluebleeder87
they have alot of guys with long swings, if i were Hall i would have known that.
2006-09-07 17:08:45
134.   scooplew
From Rad Penny to Bad Penny. Before the All-Star Game, his ERA was 2.91. His ERA after the All-Star Game is 6.15, including the first three innings tonight.
2006-09-07 17:08:53
135.   regfairfield
You there, Strawberry, hit a home run!
2006-09-07 17:10:09
136.   Bluebleeder87

i'm like him so i guess i'm biased towards his behavior, you gotta respect his honesty thoug (atleast i respect his honesty) don't get me wrong bro i see & feel you're point of view.

2006-09-07 17:11:00
137.   scooplew
Maybe Little rushed Drew back too soon.
2006-09-07 17:11:43
138.   Bluebleeder87
3 run dinger get's us right in there.
2006-09-07 17:11:48
139.   regfairfield
As long as you aren't throwing firecrackers at little kids while Rickey drives the get away car, a really don't care how a player acts. Generally showing some personality beyond giving it 110% and taking it one game at a time is a plus in my book.
2006-09-07 17:13:38
140.   scareduck
135 - You, there, Kemp, hit a three-run jack!
2006-09-07 17:14:33
141.   King of the Hobos
117 He signed a 3 year extension last summer, with an option for 2009. His 3 year, $25.5 mil deal actually is fairly cheap in my opinion, and is likely quite a bit less than what he would have received in free agency last year.
2006-09-07 17:15:06
142.   Gen3Blue
Damn that
Glavine--that was a nice play.
2006-09-07 17:15:53
143.   scareduck
140 - Well, not so much.
2006-09-07 17:16:15
144.   Bluebleeder87
we're getting closer & closer as the game gose along. Let's hope Penny keeps us in the game.
2006-09-07 17:16:45
145.   scareduck
128 - twelve. Only Antonio Alfonseca can call for it.
2006-09-07 17:18:29
146.   Bob Timmermann
Actually that pitch got hit pretty far and Bugs ended up catching it atop the Statue of Liberty.

The slow ball was more effective.

2006-09-07 17:18:39
147.   Gen3Blue
141 King. I quess I will have to live with him then. He has the physical make-up. And with a 97 mph fastball he should be able to come up with some way to win.
2006-09-07 17:18:46
148.   JoeyP
How many more years do the Phillies have of getting Ryan Howard at a bargain basement price?
2006-09-07 17:19:48
149.   Bluebleeder87

the other little finger donsn't even work, it's just there.

2006-09-07 17:20:49
150.   fanerman
148 - I would guess 4 more? This is his 2nd full year. I admit it's pretty exciting watching Howard chase Maris. Consciously or not, I sort of place an invisible asterisk on McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds.
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2006-09-07 17:22:12
151.   Benaiah
I am watching the new Fox show "Til Death" am I am amazed by t he concept. Not the stale young couple new couple thing, but the single camera laugh track show. Who are the people supposedly laughing? If it isn't filmed in front of a studio audience then these are just what? Prompts?
2006-09-07 17:23:00
152.   King of the Hobos
148 He'll be arbitration eligible after next season, but like will only make around $4 mil in 2008. 2009 and 2010 will be the years he starts to make some money. This assumes he doesn't sign a long term deal in the near future, although it wouldn't surprise me to see him sign one. Regardless, he'll be in his early 30's when he becomes a free agent, and there's a good chance he replicates Mo Vaughn after he signs that contract.
2006-09-07 17:23:15
153.   Bluebleeder87
wow that guys dome has a lot of cushing because it bounced like 20 feet back.
2006-09-07 17:23:21
154.   Bob Timmermann
Since when Roger Maris's children become the arbiters of what the single season home run record is?
2006-09-07 17:23:55
155.   fanerman
Jose Valentin is OPSing .850 this season after OPSing .590 for us last season.
2006-09-07 17:23:57
156.   uke
I'd hate this to be my first post, but WTF? I seriously have a hard time watching this garbage. P.S. It's no question Valentine, LoDuca and Green are going to have a huge series...because the baseball gods are crazy like that.
2006-09-07 17:27:14
157.   Gen3Blue
I am surprised that the D's have so much trouble finding their offense when their starters collapse early, but I think it must be a psych affect,and that is so important in baseball. The D's have some superb natural hitters in Nomar, Either, Kent, and Loney. But its not enough. Maybe in a year or two.
2006-09-07 17:28:23
158.   Linkmeister
So if Green had just tapped his toes while with the Dodgers he'd have recovered his power stroke?

2006-09-07 17:29:29
159.   JoeyP
The Twins really need Radke/Liriano in their rotation.
2006-09-07 17:29:30
160.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal is hitting like a wish the other Dodgers would hit, if he pitches outside hit it out side!!
2006-09-07 17:30:29
161.   Gen3Blue
Lasorda speaks as special adviser! " We have all this outstanding young talent, and I could get Glavine and Bonds if they would let me trade them".
2006-09-07 17:30:48
162.   Bluebleeder87
notice Glavine always starts outside (2 3 pitches) & then he comes in.
2006-09-07 17:30:50
163.   King of the Hobos
156 We might as well hope our former Mets do the same thing. Kent, Anderson, and Hamulack could easily win us a few game, assuming the Mets have a tragic clubhouse explosion accidnt.
2006-09-07 17:31:20
164.   bhsportsguy
This is a very strange team, they do hit well against lefthanders but they hit horribly on the road. At home they average 5.7 runs per game while on the road they average 4.3. They hit about 40 points better at home.
2006-09-07 17:32:09
165.   Gen3Blue
156 uke I understand, and unfortunately, you are probably right.
2006-09-07 17:32:46
166.   King of the Hobos
163 That was not by best proof-reading attempt. Hopefully there are fewer typos in this post.
2006-09-07 17:33:51
167.   Telemachos
Despite the outcome, that looked like a good AB for Lugo (from Gameday, anyway). Working the count full after being down 0-2, and all that.
2006-09-07 17:34:54
168.   Bluebleeder87
i sometimes think these guys desided Glavine is good & that's all there is to it, they loose before they get a bat in there hands.
2006-09-07 17:35:55
169.   Bluebleeder87

he tride pulling an outside pitch,that's all there is to it (bad at bat)

2006-09-07 17:36:05
170.   Gen3Blue
If anyone fails to see that the Mets are walking around with there bats erect, while the D's are drooping, they must be watching a different game. This takes a few great individual efforts to reverse. It can be done, but it takes exceptional players.
2006-09-07 17:37:47
171.   Bluebleeder87
Penny would scare the hell out of me if i wore a batter, rahter then Glavine you can read Glavine so freaking easily!!
2006-09-07 17:39:48
172.   Telemachos
169 How can an 8-pitch AB be simply "bad", especially when the batter was down 2 strikes immediately. The result wasn't great but the general approach through the AB was solid. Lugo showed a good eye and fought off several pitches. If every batter was doing that, we'd be much better off at this point.
2006-09-07 17:40:48
173.   Bluebleeder87

good point i didn't see that

2006-09-07 17:41:59
174.   scareduck
150 - fortunately, the league doesn't believe in the Nathan Hale operator*.

*"I regret that I have but one asterisk for my country."

2006-09-07 17:44:02
175.   Bluebleeder87
well Penny is keeping us in the game but our bats decided Glavine is great.
2006-09-07 17:45:34
176.   King of the Hobos
Mike Venafro has returned to the majors.
2006-09-07 17:47:06
177.   JoeyP
The Dodgers have worked five 3-ball counts tonite, but have zero walks.
2006-09-07 17:48:09
178.   Bluebleeder87

don't get me more worked up JeoP

2006-09-07 17:50:16
179.   Bluebleeder87
LoDuca had a good batting average against the Braves for a reason.
2006-09-07 17:52:48
180.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner, Glavine pitches for the Mets.

you also need glasses.

2006-09-07 17:52:49
181.   Gen3Blue
The euphoria of the Mets announcers is getting tedious.You can believe me that I wish we would have a reversal here,but I doubt it is possible with these teams state of mind.
2006-09-07 17:53:17
182.   JoeyP
Penny's at 108 pitches.
Grits is really stretching him tonite on an evening he hasnt been particularly effective.
2006-09-07 17:55:13
183.   Bluebleeder87
i like the Valentine & Penny match up.
2006-09-07 17:55:34
184.   JoeyP
Leaving him in to face a guy's thats taken him deep. Thats ballsy. Its stupid, but its ballsy.
2006-09-07 17:56:10
185.   King of the Hobos
That didn't seem like a smart play by Kent.
2006-09-07 17:57:01
186.   Telemachos
All we need is a homer by Lo Duca and the circle will be complete.
2006-09-07 17:57:14
187.   Bluebleeder87

it was a hanger that Valentine hit, Penny did him a favor with his sorry long swing.

2006-09-07 17:57:36
188.   uke
I'm getting flash backs to the last series with the Padres and the Cards.
2006-09-07 17:57:42
189.   gpellamjr
185 They're not getting anything offensively. I don't think it was a bad decision. But this is freaking frustrating.
2006-09-07 17:59:01
190.   uke
Ugh, insult to injury anyone?
2006-09-07 17:59:24
191.   JoeyP
Leaving Penny in at 120 pitches to face Jose Reyes?
2006-09-07 17:59:26
192.   Humma Kavula
G'night, everybody!
2006-09-07 17:59:31
193.   Bluebleeder87
yeah NY keep on dumping money & draft lowe see who gets the last laugh!!
2006-09-07 18:00:16
194.   JoeyP
Penny sucked this game no doubt, but Grady Little has been a really poor manager the last several weeks.

Was he asleep this game?

2006-09-07 18:00:29
195.   King of the Hobos
This was not a good inning for Grady Little, or Penny. I'm not sure who deserves more blame. Of course, if Kent makes the easy play, we're done with the inning and going to the seventh down 4-0.
2006-09-07 18:00:51
196.   Bluebleeder87
no matter what we pay smart & draft high!
2006-09-07 18:00:52
197.   Icaros
I hope UFC is extra bloody tonight.
2006-09-07 18:01:00
198.   fanerman
Inside the park? Was that partly Kemp's fault?
2006-09-07 18:01:43
199.   uke
Not only do we get blown out, But now we're the ones getting dunked on in every highlight real tonight and tomorrow.
2006-09-07 18:03:01
200.   JoeyP
Grits pulled another Pedro tonite.
It probably wouldnt have mattered, but still poor managing is poor managing.
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2006-09-07 18:03:08
201.   Bluebleeder87

it's ESPN country ofcourse.

the Dodgers & there rich farm will get the last laugh.

2006-09-07 18:03:56
202.   King of the Hobos
198 It was entirely his fault. It's a double if he played it normally. He was too shallow, ran all the way the the wall and had the ball bounce well over him back towards the infield. Neither Drew nor Ethier were very close either, giving Reyes ample time to round the bases. The ball had just reached the infielders as Reyes slid at home.
2006-09-07 18:04:09
203.   Bluebleeder87

he's 21 years old, he will learn. it's not like we're overpaying for Beltran.

2006-09-07 18:04:18
204.   Todd
What happened on the inside the park jack?
2006-09-07 18:05:04
205.   fanerman
202, 203 - I have no problems with letting the kid learn. Just wondering what happened because I can't watch.
2006-09-07 18:05:07
206.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner is simply in love with NY isn't he!
2006-09-07 18:07:03
207.   joekings
Couldn't we at least have put up a fight? This is demoralizing.
2006-09-07 18:07:35
208.   Bluebleeder87
Steiners brain is still in ESPN.
2006-09-07 18:08:10
209.   King of the Hobos
Reyes thanks Kemp for the misplay by dropping a fairly easy pop up.
2006-09-07 18:08:42
210.   JT Dutch
... Wow, a nice job by Reyes of showing the Dodgers up right there. Typical Mets.
2006-09-07 18:08:50
211.   joekings
I take no pleasure in the fact that my name is also Jose Reyes.
2006-09-07 18:09:55
212.   uke
209 I won't say it was a "fairly easy pop up."
2006-09-07 18:11:00
213.   Todd
Did Kemp dive forward trying to get the ball? C'mon, please you're killin' me folks....
2006-09-07 18:11:22
214.   Bluebleeder87

Matt Kemp will make those plays mark my words.

2006-09-07 18:11:29
215.   bhsportsguy
Again, this is a team that never is a bad when it gets into these slumps nor as a good when they go off and win those many games in a row.

Part of it is perhaps the lack of a consistent lineup, with Grady finding rest for his vets, certainly the inability of Penny, Hendrickson and to some extent but less so, Maddux to give him quality starts, the lack of off days, etc.

My best guess is that we will be in a battle for both the wild card and the division through the end of the season but visions of having an easy September are probably on for the Mets and maybe the Cards.

2006-09-07 18:11:31
216.   JoeyP
I remember when Mota was good back in 2002/2003.

Now, not so much.

2006-09-07 18:16:49
217.   Bluebleeder87
can we finally bench this guy named Lugo!
2006-09-07 18:18:24
218.   Marty
Wow, I missed a Jim Hitchcock sighting. Nice to see one of the old gang back.
2006-09-07 18:18:32
219.   JoeyP
Wouldnt that have been a perfect spot to pinch hit Betemit for Lugo?
2006-09-07 18:20:55
220.   King of the Hobos
Hendrickson has officially been sent to the bullpen. Sunday's starter will be either Stults or Sele, with Lowe being a long shot. Little has told Stults to be ready, but if Kuo struggles, Grady wants to go with a veteran on Sunday.
2006-09-07 18:22:32
221.   uke
I really don't think there will be one positive thing that comes from this game. Offense sucks, starting pitching sucks, watch the bullpen suck...
2006-09-07 18:23:26
222.   Bluebleeder87

i don't know i guess it's my optomistic brain but i'm expecting good things from Kuo.

2006-09-07 18:23:36
223.   scooplew
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, I am neither watching nor listening to tonight's game, but following it on Gameday. Can someone watching it tell me if we are playing as lethargically as it seems to me? To go into a big series and play so badly is worse than disheartening. Forgive me for asking, but are we lacking heart tonight?
2006-09-07 18:24:57
224.   JT Dutch
... It's so nice to see players who hit .170 with us, like Valentin, suddenly re-learn how to hit when they're elsewhere -- and guys like Lugo come here after hitting .285-.300 elsewhere and struggle to stay above the Mendoza line with the Dodgers.

One job I would never want is Ned Coletti's current job; Paul DePodesta's old job. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They'll trade away a guy, and that guy will everything short of turn into an MVP overnight with a .964 batting average against the Dodgers.

2006-09-07 18:25:33
225.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner is slowly becoming dead to me.

you're pay checks come from L.A.GUY!

2006-09-07 18:26:10
226.   Bob Timmermann

Hold on, I'm checking the heart column in the boxscore.

I'll get back to you.

2006-09-07 18:27:22
227.   bhsportsguy
Generally when a team isn't scoring, it looks lethargic I am never sure which is worse good hitting and no pitching or vice versa, when you get the bad combination of bad hitting and pitching then you get what happens to this team at times this year.

At home, it does seem that we hit well regardless so the pitching only has to be so-so but on the road, it takes the combination of good and good and we just don't do that enough to win consistently on the road.

2006-09-07 18:30:14
228.   Icaros
I really don't think there will be one positive thing that comes from this game.

Escaped zoo animals didn't run onto the field and eat the players. That's a positive.

2006-09-07 18:31:19
229.   scooplew
226 -- Seriously, does it seem we are playing without much spirit? When I attend a game, I can sometimes sense that.
2006-09-07 18:34:29
230.   Bob Timmermann
How does a team playing without spirit manifest that trait? I would think that a team that is losing and not scoring looks like it is not playing with much spirit, but I sincerely doubt that the players don't care what happens.

This isn't football. They'll play again tomorrow.

2006-09-07 18:35:16
231.   scooplew
Here's how Gameday desribed what just happened:
"Andre Ethier reaches on missed catch error by pitcher Roberto Hernandez, assist to first baseman Carlos Delgado. Jeff Kent to 2nd."
2006-09-07 18:36:13
232.   Bob Timmermann
That's exactly what happened. Hernandez dropped a throw from Delgado while trying to cover first.

That's a 3-E1.

2006-09-07 18:37:00
233.   Bob Timmermann
Marlins got four quick runs and they're down just 10-8 in the 7th.
2006-09-07 18:37:36
234.   King of the Hobos
How did Green lose his hat on that? His gait was a fairly casual jog, so it didn't fall off from that. Did he knock it off on purpose?
2006-09-07 18:37:42
235.   scooplew
230 -- I have helped coach a local high school JV baseball team for the past few seasons. I can generally tell during warm-ups if the players appear inspired or listless, and how much motivation and encouragement they may or may not need. I also umpire youth baseball and get a similar sensing.
2006-09-07 18:38:20
236.   JoeyP
Valentin tore up his knee last year. Thats the main reason he sucked.

I thought it might be due to being off the juice, but now I think its just bc he was hurt.

Lugo/Hall hit 20HRs in Tampa, and have hit 0 in LA. I cant quite figure that one out.

2006-09-07 18:38:29
237.   MSarg29
228. There's still little time for that.
2006-09-07 18:39:03
238.   Bluebleeder87

agreed, all i know is over paying for 7,8 players is never good (in the long run)

2006-09-07 18:39:39
239.   scooplew
232 -- Thank you.
2006-09-07 18:40:16
240.   willhite
228 -
If animals had escaped from the zoo and eaten the players, thereby necessitating Ned's enlisting 9 kids from the Flushing Little League to represent the Blue in tonight's game, we STILL wouldn't have any less than 0 runs.
Therefore, the fact that no players were eaten by escaped zoo animals is not necessarily a positive.
2006-09-07 18:42:28
241.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Smith gets out of the inning for the Phillies. The Bobby Abreu trade starts paying dividends for the Phillies!
2006-09-07 18:44:16
242.   Bluebleeder87

the future looks brite PERIOD while both new york teams keep on buying high & drafting lowe. there's alot to be said with that, high priced players that don't pan out & so forth.

2006-09-07 18:49:54
243.   das411
241 - Matt Smith has a Fabio Castro-esque 0.00 ERA Bob! Not yet given up a run in 3.6 (or is it 3.2? 3 2/3 I guess) innings.

236 - Is that the Rocco Baldelli Styrfoam Curse?

2006-09-07 18:50:21
244.   King of the Hobos
Not that using Anderson really matters, but wouldn't that have been a nice time to see what Delwyn Young can do against major league pitching?
2006-09-07 18:51:04
245.   Bob Timmermann
Young led off the inning and grounded out 4-3 on the first pitch.
2006-09-07 18:52:38
246.   Bluebleeder87
well i rather loose bad than loose close.
2006-09-07 18:54:54
247.   King of the Hobos
245 That's what I get for leaving the room and not paying attention to whetehr or not Toby Hall batted. This has not been a good thread for me.
2006-09-07 18:58:16
248.   Bob Timmermann
Young's AB lasted about 10 seconds.
2006-09-07 18:59:46
249.   JoeyP
Randall Simon plays for the Phillies?
2006-09-07 19:01:53
250.   King of the Hobos
247 And it gets worse! I'll just stop posting in this thread, it's probably best for everyone involved.
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2006-09-07 19:02:25
251.   Bluebleeder87
tomorrow is another day & i like Kuo pitching
2006-09-07 19:02:51
252.   MMSMikey
decent game
2006-09-07 19:03:00
253.   Geoff
Hello, all. First generation Mets fan who comes from a long line of Brooklyn Dodgers fans. Bluebleeder87, the statement you made in post #242 (sorry don't know how to link) is not entirely accurate. Yeah, the Mets overpay for some players and if they start to win consistently, they will pick low in the draft. The problem is, the Mets have upped their level of international scouting and have signed some promising young talent (F. Martinez, D. Guerra, F. Pena) which is akin to drafting high. Also, the Mets can afford to eat some mistakes (Matsui) but not to the level of the Yanks. Finally, the Mets are coming off of a few years of terrible play, so it's not like their cupboard is bare.

Also, let's not pretend the Dodgers are a poor team, either. You're overpaying a few players as well.

2006-09-07 19:03:17
254.   Bob Timmermann
News about one of our heroes!

2006-09-07 19:03:34
255.   Bluebleeder87

exactly i was like what!! he's in the big club already, & as soon as i stoped thinking that he grounded out.

2006-09-07 19:07:27
256.   Icaros

Yes, but that would mean that you've given up hope of the team ever scoring another run again.

I'd be really sad if Russ Martin was shredded by a tiger, or if Andre Ethier was methodically dismembered by a gorilla.

Hendrickson or Hall could be used as bear-feed, though, if a sacrifice has to be made.

2006-09-07 19:15:26
257.   das411
253 - Welcome Geoff! FYI linking to posts is easy, just put [brackets] around the number of the post.

Wasn't Lastings the payoff from that awful awful awful '02 season? And the starters that have helped them out this year (Maine, Bannister) came out of some of those drafts too no?

249 - See

2006-09-07 19:25:24
258.   Bluebleeder87
can i ask who pitches for the mets tomorrow?
2006-09-07 19:28:34
259.   Gen3Blue
I have been blacked out because I have some old underground cable in the system, and I lost the internet for an hour or more. But with 2 shutouts and 2 runs in three games, what can be said. The opposing pitching has not been lights out, we choke; but we are only doomed for sure when our pitchers give up several runs in the first few innings.
It is true, that we will have our revenge as our talent matures in the next few years.
However our management must

A)obtain a whole different set of pitcher's(Lowe and Bills may do).

B)avoid trading away our obvious young talent, which could give us almost free po sition players-- freeing money for pitching.

This seems fairly simple, but I still fear for our organization.

We would at this point have revenge against the Mets and several other teams, and it is a simple scheme. Why am I pessimistic?

2006-09-07 19:32:11
260.   Geoff
257 Thanks alot. The Mets recent 1st round draft picks:
2001- Aaron Heilman, David Wright (Wright in sandwich round from losing Hampton to Rockies)
2002- Kazmir (I know, I know)
2003- Milledge
2004- Humber (coming off TJ surgery, should be factor next year)
2005- Pelfrey
Maine was in the Benson deal and Bannister was a mid round draft pick. The Mets system isn't particularly deep (say as deep as the Dodgers) but they've got some pieces. The NL is slowly coming around again as the Mets are built for the future, along with the Diamondbacks, Marlins and Dodgers who have 3 of the best systems in the game.
2006-09-07 19:33:26
261.   Jon Weisman
151 - "single camera laugh track show"

You just described M*A*S*H, whose producers could not convince CBS to eschew canned laughter.

156 - welcome, but your first post violated the rules of this site.

General note. I can't imagine the Dodgers lacked for motivation on a team or individual level. The team is also just one day removed from a comeback victory. Calling them listless or a team that gave up because it fell behind doesn't stand to scrutiny.

The Mets, the best team in the league, got the big hits tonightm while the Dodgers got several baserunners but did not make the key plays they needed. I watched the game and saw players (including Kent) diving, running hard, a bit overeager at the plate and jittery in the outfield, but anything but listless.

I don't understand the rush to question the effort of a first place team in a close race, a team whose members still have much to prove, either as rookies or as vets trying to retain playing time.

2006-09-07 19:42:14
262.   Bob Timmermann

Why are the Dodgers lacking in effort when both San Diego and St. Louis were swept in New York in recent trips?

2006-09-07 20:09:16
263.   scooplew
Well said. Perhaps I am guilty of being a disappointed/frustrated fan tonight, even after all these years.
2006-09-07 20:17:39
264.   Bob Timmermann
Why I don't like the NFL:

Al Michaels is debating whether or not a replay challenge was asked for in time and wanting to see if they can use a time code on the video....

2006-09-07 20:29:31
265.   xaphor
Missed the game, but after reading through DT, paraphrasing Office Space, I wouldn't say I've been missing them.

[261] I cannot understand the tendency to question the effort of baseball players when you look at the percentages these guys strive in. Being a good player means you're heading back to the dugout seventy percent of the time. You could go 0-for 7 and then reach on the next three and you're batting a cool .300. To go just 0-for 7 is a sign of a good batter. I think our brains endeavor to beat this system with creative use of days off, pitch hitting, and so on, but at the end of the day a good hitter is still out seven of ten tries. To go out there and give every at bat you're all when the odds are stacked so highly against you is a testament to how devoted or truly dense ball players are. Either way it is not often that effort decides if they end up on first or back on the pine at the end of an at bat.

2006-09-07 20:30:05
266.   xaphor
[264] Is the NFL still considered a sport?
2006-09-07 20:31:30
267.   Disabled List
Hello all. I just got back from Shea, where I bore witness to the carnage. That was one of the most brutal games I've ever seen, although at least I got to see an inside-the-park HR. I swear, Reyes was already halfway to third when that ball bounced off the wall. The rest of the game was totally forgettable.

Of course, I was in full Dodgers gear tonight. I went with a group of Mets fans, thinking that by making a public display of my friendship with the locals, that would offer me some protection from the unwashed hordes. But it was no use. I was subject to the petty whims and desires of the Shea Stadium inmates. I was traded for a carton of cigarettes at one point, and I think I was supposed to go home with some guy who kept calling me "Sally". But I ditched him on the subway.

I'm going back to Oz-- I mean, Shea, on Saturday. Wish me luck.

2006-09-07 20:36:28
268.   adamclyde
whew. I was at the game tonight. not very pretty. high point. throwing lo duca out at third (tempered by the runs scored that inning). low points - in field home run by reyes... related, kemps center fielding (I know they were hard plays, but from my angle (not as good as TV) they were either make-able or could have been fielded on the bounce to prevent some bases)... the toby hall bumbled ball at home plate (which probably should have been thrown to first for the easy out anyhow)... too many hits that only came after 2 outs... and last but not least, three very painful at bats by drew.

Penny was throwing hard the whole game - consistently in the 96 range. But that mets offense is pretty tough to match. Man...

Well, I've got two more games in front of me to see here on Friday then Saturday. hopefully kuo and maddux will find better results. And our offense will do better than they did today against glavine...

2006-09-07 20:39:57
269.   adamclyde
267 Well, good to know that there was at least one other fan there... they were fewer and farther between than I've experienced in years past...
2006-09-07 20:56:49
270.   twerp
A bit OT, a story of dumb and dumber==

Background: New Titans WR David Givens, solid veteran for New England, signed by Tennessee in March in hopes of upgrading the position.

Givens offered Tyrone Calico--a talented but injury and drop-prone receiver over his brief career who knew the Titans' patience with him was running out--$10K for Givens' old jersey #,87.

Dumb: Calico said no.
Dumber: Givens offered $20k. Calico again said no.

Calico struggled again in preseason, was cut Sunday. Uniform #87 now available to

2006-09-07 21:07:10
271.   Telemachos
Here's the "glass is half full" theory:

The Dodgers were due for a slump, since they've been generally hot until last week. Conversely, the Padres and Giants have both been fairly hot, but fortunately the D's division lead has been just enough of a buffer to keep them in first.

Logic would dictate that if the Dodgers can scrape along and stay in first or in the wild-card lead, that they will get hot again before the season ends.... and likewise, the Giants and Padres are due for another cold spell as well.

So I like our chances... these last games have been payment for all the lucky breaks we got on the winning streaks.

Of course, the Dodgers could go into a miserable slump and/or the Padres and Giants could buck the trend and stay hot for the rest of the month, but I prefer my glass half-full.

2006-09-07 21:20:23
272.   RWB on the GWB
268 At least from my seat where the 3rd base line would intersect the loge, two of the 3rd strike calls on JD were extremely close, and the second one was probably bunk.

Overall, being in the stadium it was absolutely clear (as many have said above) that we were tired and they were running on full, truly making the effort to show who owns the NL. Furthermore, Jose Reyes is a man who LOVES his job, and is in turn loved by all the women aged 12-40 who buy jersey-style T-shirts. The men choose David Wright.

One spot we might have grabbed a crucial beat was where Kent was first-pitch-swinging with two outs in the 6th, with a very tired Glavine on the mound (two balls had been hit pretty well that inning, but for outs). At that point, the deficit was only 3.

MVD: Marlon with an 11-pitch battle against Heilman with one out in the ninth, which gave us few hopefuls at least a morsel to snack on while the true New Yorkers filed out to the LIRR.

Finally, as the game was waning they put Tommy L. on the Jumbotron camera twice during the "smile cam" schtick, but TL had only a cursory wave's worth of love to share for the crowd.

Has Kemp always played CF?

2006-09-07 21:21:50
273.   Xeifrank
I think sports should ditch the player jersey numbering system and instead ID players by their tattoos. The odds of two players on the same team having the same tattoo are pretty low. vr, Xei
2006-09-07 21:30:47
274.   Greg Brock
I want more effort out of you DT commenters tomorrow. I just didn't feel the sense of urgency necessary for a quality thread tonight (I include myself). You've win...the thread!

As an aside, NBC does not need 32 personalities to broadcast a single game. It's like a Robert Altman movie for goodness sakes.

2006-09-07 21:34:47
275.   Greg Brock
That was a joke, by the way.
2006-09-07 21:37:40
276.   Bob Timmermann
The two AL wild card contenders didn't give a good effort tonight either. The Twins were dispirited after giving up a leadoff home run and the White Sox were dispirited because Ozzie Guillen was mean to them.
2006-09-07 22:01:07
277.   Greg Brock
Man, I just realized that my previous comment is part of a massive dispiriting movement throughout MLB tonight. I feel horrible. Sorry guys.

In fact, I've dispirited myself. The circle is complete.

2006-09-07 22:07:12
278.   das411
272 - The men choose David Wright.

I thought we had another season before those rumors started... ;)

276 - Did anyone else see Kenny Rogers holding like a dozen baseballs in one hand during the ESPN2 game? I couldn't've been the only person on the East Coast watching that instead of the Stillers....right?

Jon - no hurry or anything, but give your email a check.

2006-09-08 07:00:13
279.   adamclyde
272 yeah, I had a bad view of drew's at bat... the last pitch of the first at bat seemed out, but never fun to see him strike out three time without hardly swinging.

And about reyes, it's easy to see why NY loves him. He's young and exciting to watch. When he dropped that fly ball, they still cheered him.

Now if he were in pinstripes, they'd have booed him off the field...

2006-09-08 07:10:58
280.   Sam DC
211 Hilarious, Joekings, and saved for just the right moment.

274 That Robert Altman comment - exactly perfect.

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