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September 9 Game Chat
2006-09-09 08:59
by Jon Weisman
Comments (487)
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2006-09-09 09:16:20
1.   Gen3Blue
I'll use the first word to say Haleluia-Fox is gone at least for now And I'll get the Saturday aft. game on DTV.
2006-09-09 09:16:29
2.   popup
I just finished listening to Vin's call of the 9th inning of Sandy's perfect game. I have been doing that the past few years every September 9th. I have listened to it plenty of times but I never seem to get tired of hearing it. Thank you Sandy and thank you Vin.

Hope Maddux does well today.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 09:18:26
3.   gpellamjr
So what I don't understand is why Drew hasn't played CF at all this year. Everyone (by everyone, I suppose I mean the Mets' announcers) complained about Kemp's defensive performance, and we know about Lofton. Drew seems to be an excellent outfielder, so why not switch him with Kemp when Kemp is in the lineup? Surely Kemp's bat is more valuable than Lofton's at least against left handers. Ugh, I don't know. I just hate to see that talent not utilized.
2006-09-09 09:22:11
4.   Sam DC
At Inside the Dodgers Josh describes the scene watching Pedro throw a simulated game and the other goings on at the stadium and then writes "It's a little strange, actually, watching this all take place."

It's kind of cool that even someone on the inside who has been in major league ballparks for years can just sort of shake his head and feel that way. It's a big part of why his blog works so much better than so many official type blogs.

Of course, the comments there are as fouled up as ever. Truly bizarre.

2006-09-09 09:24:03
5.   popup
3 Centerfield requires more running. With Drew's knees and general injury history, he is better suited for right.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 09:32:03
6.   Greg Brock
4 I think Inside the Dodgers is a fantastic idea, and very well done, but I don't think it needs a comments section. It certainly isn't adding anything.
2006-09-09 09:41:00
7.   Andrew Shimmin
ItD doesn't need a comments section, it needs an email address. That way, people with big important theories still have an outlet, Rawitch can post any that are worth reading, and I don't have to read the rest.

Alternately, the Dodgers could assemble some sort of death squad to clean the place up. I get the feeling that one big kill would go a long way.

2006-09-09 09:42:16
8.   Andrew Shimmin
Obviously, I don't have to read the ones I don't want to, anyway. I meant that, with the no-comments format, I wouldn't have to be tempted to read them. Anyway.
2006-09-09 09:49:33
9.   Marty
Our banned old friend must be a truly twisted personality to go to so much trouble on a daily basis.
2006-09-09 10:13:46
10.   Gagne55
2 As good as Koufax'.
2006-09-09 10:16:05
11.   Gagne55
I hate in play out recorded with a runner on 3rd and <2 outs.
2006-09-09 10:17:07
12.   Gagne55
For those watching, was the flyball deep enough that Furcal had any reasonable chance to score. Green ain't exactly a power arm.
2006-09-09 10:17:31
13.   Icaros
You have to run on Green's lousy arm.
2006-09-09 10:18:11
14.   Gagne55
Also, was Lofton's sac hit, an attempt at an infield single, or was it really a sac bunt?
2006-09-09 10:18:43
15.   Icaros
Nomar's flyball was shallow, one you wouldn't normally run on, but Green's throw was way up the first base line.
2006-09-09 10:19:14
16.   Gagne55
Drew struck out, which means the correct play was to send Furcal. sigh
2006-09-09 10:19:18
17.   Icaros

Could've gone either way.

2006-09-09 10:19:22
18.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal's double was wasted.
2006-09-09 10:20:00
19.   gpellamjr
14 He attempted to bunt on the first pitch, too. He was sacrificing all the way.
2006-09-09 10:20:08
20.   Andrew Shimmin
14- Lofton was hoping for a bunt single. Actually, he was probably hoping Wright would throw it away again. Didn't work out.

The fly was very shallow, but Green's throw was off line by enough that he probably could have beaten it out. Bad bet, but it might have paid off, anyway.

2006-09-09 10:22:37
21.   50 years a Dodger Fan
18 Yeah, another strikeout for 'Dead Man Walkin'. Oh, I'd better take that back, he's the best player on the team according to some people.
2006-09-09 10:23:15
22.   Andrew Shimmin
Hmm. Pellam is probably right about the sac bunt. I didn't catch the first pitch.
2006-09-09 10:25:50
23.   gpellamjr
21 Who's better on the Dodgers? He's the epitome of this team. A fine OBP and little power. He does take a lot of 3rd strikes, but he gets on base a ton. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but he's been good all year.
2006-09-09 10:25:53
24.   Bluebleeder87

he should at least swing the bat.

2006-09-09 10:28:43
25.   Gen3Blue
And yet, there comes a time when you say, I would rather let Kemp and Loney start the inevitable replacement process. I'm not saying it is now-but I feel it is close.
2006-09-09 10:29:13
26.   Bob Timmermann
All Mets hitters who make an out today will have been fooled by Greg Maddux.
All Dodgers hitters who make an out today will do so because of a failure of will.
2006-09-09 10:29:30
27.   Eric Enders
The Mets station here has chosen to show a CFL game instead of Mets-Dodgers.
2006-09-09 10:30:15
28.   Greg Brock
26 Bob Timmermann understands how the game is played.
2006-09-09 10:31:28
29.   Greg Brock
27 It's on extra innings if you have the DTV package, channel 734.

If you have cable, I have no idea.

2006-09-09 10:32:19
30.   Gen3Blue
26 not only that, but it looks like all Dodger outs will be by stike-out.
2006-09-09 10:32:57
31.   Eric Enders
29 Not if you live in the Mets TV area, it isn't.

I've got it on MLBtv though.

2006-09-09 10:33:19
32.   50 years a Dodger Fan
If a player does what is expected of him, maybe more, he is a success. Some players in that category are Furcal, Lofton, Ethier, Martin, Saito.
If a player does not perform as he was expected, then he is a failure. Drew is definitely on that side of the equation. He has company there.
2006-09-09 10:33:44
33.   Eric Enders
Anybody try to say today's battery five times fast?

El Duque and Lo Duca
El Duque and Lo Duca...

2006-09-09 10:35:03
34.   Andrew Shimmin
32- Only if the expectation (leaving aside how it came to be set) is infallible.
2006-09-09 10:35:58
35.   Marty
Except Lo Duca isn't playing
2006-09-09 10:36:03
36.   gpellamjr
33 You are wrong. Dead wrong.

34 Edgy!

2006-09-09 10:36:19
37.   Greg Brock
That ball was crushed.
2006-09-09 10:36:45
38.   Bluebleeder87
Maddux was not crafty there.
2006-09-09 10:38:49
39.   Bob Timmermann
Maddux suffered a failure of will on that pitch to Delgado.
2006-09-09 10:39:39
40.   Sam DC
I'm working today, and happen to be reading the tale of Oregon's prosecution of a New York man for producing and distributing into Oregon a fine art film entitled "Olga's House of Shame." Ahh, 1966. Not sure of the imdb keywords for that one.
2006-09-09 10:40:57
41.   Andrew Shimmin
Cliff Floyd's gullibility rate just shot up 3 points.
2006-09-09 10:41:40
42.   Greg Brock
Carlos Delgado is certainly fortunate to have faced so many pitchers without sufficient will throughout his career.

Lucky guy.

2006-09-09 10:42:18
43.   Bob Timmermann
Few are suitable for this forum.

"Independent film" is OK.

2006-09-09 10:43:36
44.   Andrew Shimmin
40- They include both the plural, and singular, of nipple. Which is interesting.

2006-09-09 10:48:17
45.   Bob Timmermann
Last night was my first Friday night not covering high school football in 14 years.

Turned out that I didn't miss it much.

2006-09-09 10:50:05
46.   Marty
The same director also made Olga's Girls and Mdme. Olga's Massage Parlor.
2006-09-09 10:50:18
47.   gpellamjr
Well played, El Duce!
2006-09-09 10:50:34
48.   Eric Enders
Kelly Stinnett got a hit off Maddux? I thought he retired years ago.

I've always held a grudge against him since this game, the longest I've ever attended --

2006-09-09 10:51:33
49.   Marty
So, I hear you can get a fried chicken and cheese sandwich with a Krispy Kreme donut substituting for the bun at the County Fair this year.


2006-09-09 10:52:24
50.   Andrew Shimmin
45- Finally I understand what the thing a month or so ago was about. I'm boycotting all high school football reportage, which I was already doing, but now will do intentionally.
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2006-09-09 10:52:45
51.   Bluebleeder87
nice play by Betemit, let's score some runs Dodgers.
2006-09-09 10:54:08
52.   gpellamjr
48 I hear great things about Russ Martin. He was once compared to Mr. Stinett!

Have we come up with a nickname for Martin yet?

2006-09-09 10:55:06
53.   Eric Enders
52 I'm sticking with Blue Trane whether it catches on or not.
2006-09-09 10:55:06
54.   Greg Brock
I'm always sad when Vin doesn't make the trip east to cover the Mets/Dodgers at Shea.

I'm deprived of my opportunity to hear about Walter O'Malley and the geodesic dome.

2006-09-09 10:55:10
55.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Martin's nickname is Russ.
2006-09-09 10:56:26
56.   overkill94
Our guys need to eat some more Wheaties, they just need a liiiittle more juice to turn these long outs into homers.
2006-09-09 10:56:38
57.   Greg Brock
Proposition Backstop Bacon failed at the polls, as humorous and creative as it may be.
2006-09-09 10:56:39
58.   Bob Timmermann
I think Lyons described how Green made Lofton's catch look a lot harder than it should have been.
2006-09-09 10:59:55
59.   Bob Timmermann
Have Steiner or Lyons said "savvy" yet?
2006-09-09 11:01:00
60.   gpellamjr
I really can't figure out why I could despise Shawn Green so much when he produced so much for the Dodgers for several years. And yet I do.
2006-09-09 11:01:25
61.   Gen3Blue
It seems the D's have got none of the breaks today.
2006-09-09 11:02:00
62.   Marty
I just noticed that you get a catch-all error message for hitting submit when You haven't written anything:
You cannot enter a blank comment.The Baseball Toaster server is having some problems right now. We're working on fixing it ASAP. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ken could just shorten it to idiot

2006-09-09 11:05:30
63.   Travis
61 What breaks have there been for either team?
2006-09-09 11:05:42
64.   Bob Timmermann

He has that effect on people. It's the curse of Dodger Stadium's right field.

2006-09-09 11:07:17
65.   Icaros
Not being allowed to submit a blank comment is a constraint on my freedom of philosophical expression.
2006-09-09 11:07:51
66.   Eric Enders
63 Dodgers got a big break with Wright's hit just missing getting out.
2006-09-09 11:08:16
67.   Greg S
Green is too much of a veteran to be complaining about a strike call on a pitch over the middle of the plate.
2006-09-09 11:08:35
68.   gpellamjr
64 I don't hate Raul.
2006-09-09 11:09:58
69.   Jim Ignatowski

Dodger batters are submitting enough blanks for everyone today.

2006-09-09 11:10:32
70.   Bluebleeder87

i feel that way about J.D. Drew, i swear does the guy have a pulse.

2006-09-09 11:13:24
71.   Bluebleeder87
Betemit & Furcal have had some good at bats, the rest of the dodgers look like zoombies.
2006-09-09 11:13:32
72.   Bob Timmermann

No, that's a surprise. I guess you have more respect for members of the Dominican Republic's Legislature than I do.

2006-09-09 11:15:30
73.   Icaros
Mike Marshall is another hugely popular former Dodgers right fielder.
2006-09-09 11:16:17
74.   Gen3Blue
63 nothing for the Mets either,really.

Its funny, but the best pitching I have watched this year has been several games where it was from 75 to 88mph. I admit I have not watched much but D's games
What does this mean?

2006-09-09 11:18:33
75.   Bluebleeder87
will get 'em this inning.
2006-09-09 11:20:00
76.   Greg Brock
74 It means that good pitchers change speeds, hit spots, and keep the ball down.

Just like every kid was taught, yet only 30% of major league pitchers remember.

2006-09-09 11:20:09
77.   Gen3Blue
75 Amen--I have a feeling.
2006-09-09 11:21:23
78.   Eric Enders
Holy Cow -- Valentin has played 58 consecutive errorless games in the field.

Where was this guy last year again?

2006-09-09 11:22:00
79.   Eric Enders
Blue Trane!
2006-09-09 11:22:17
80.   Bluebleeder87
push Martin to 2nd Maddux.
2006-09-09 11:23:39
81.   Eric Enders
I might go for a hit and run here with Maddux -- Stinnett behind the plate and a non-strikeout pitcher on the mound.
2006-09-09 11:24:04
82.   Eric Enders
[Takes bow]
2006-09-09 11:24:15
83.   Greg Brock
81 Eric Enders, baseball guru. Nicely done!
2006-09-09 11:24:17
84.   Bob Timmermann

He can see the future! Stone him!

2006-09-09 11:25:03
85.   Greg Brock
He's a witch!
2006-09-09 11:25:36
86.   regfairfield
So, swing away with the pitcher, bunt with the best hitter on the team for the last two months?
2006-09-09 11:26:00
87.   overkill94
Why is it that Lofton's one of the only guys I trust to get the run home with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs?
2006-09-09 11:26:38
88.   overkill94
Gotta love K-Loft, no matter what you think about his defense
2006-09-09 11:26:42
89.   Bluebleeder87
my Dodger mojo is working fine & dandy
2006-09-09 11:26:49
90.   Eric Enders
Attaboy Kenny.
2006-09-09 11:27:00
91.   Linkmeister
87 Well, trust was borne out.
2006-09-09 11:27:00
92.   Bob Timmermann
It's the Bizarro World game!
2006-09-09 11:27:06
93.   Jim Ignatowski
He's a prophet. What's the UT-OSU score tonight?
2006-09-09 11:27:37
94.   Eric Enders
86 I don't think Furcal's bunt was a bad play since he was halfway bunting for a hit. The sacrifice isn't the intent, it's the downside.
2006-09-09 11:27:48
95.   Greg Brock
Send Lofton
2006-09-09 11:28:18
96.   Eric Enders

Texas 66, Ohio St 0

I predict football with my heart, as Vinny might say.

2006-09-09 11:28:20
97.   overkill94
As for the official rankings:

trust a lot: Lofton and Martin
trust pretty well: Ethier and Furcal
used to trust, but not anymore: Nomar and Kent
don't trust at all: Drew and Betemit

2006-09-09 11:29:21
98.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Maddux has many skills. Baserunning is not one of them.
2006-09-09 11:29:31
99.   JoeyP
Grady Little has had a bad couple weeks.
Why was Furcal bunting?
2006-09-09 11:29:51
100.   Greg Brock
I trust Drew completely.
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2006-09-09 11:29:53
101.   Icaros
J.D. really cares!
2006-09-09 11:30:05
102.   overkill94
Atta boy Drew. I guess you just have to leave the guy at 2B for him to be comfortable.
2006-09-09 11:30:06
103.   Eric Enders
The Dodgers seem awfully listless today.
2006-09-09 11:30:11
104.   Bob Timmermann
I would assume that Little is anticipating a low scoring game today.
2006-09-09 11:30:15
105.   Bluebleeder87
2-1 Dodgers
2006-09-09 11:30:37
106.   regfairfield
94 I guess I wasn't paying attention. It looked like Furcal was sacrificing all the way.
2006-09-09 11:30:56
107.   overkill94
100 That wasn't part of the equation
2006-09-09 11:31:53
108.   Bluebleeder87
nice at bats all around
2006-09-09 11:32:13
109.   Greg Brock
I'm about as anti-bunt as a feller gets, but I didn't really have a huge problem with the bunt. As Eric said, it was only a quasi-sacrifice, and the Dodgers needed to tie it up.
2006-09-09 11:32:35
110.   regfairfield
Didn't Drew drive in a bunch of runs three days ago or so?
2006-09-09 11:32:50
111.   Bob Timmermann
Looked to me like Furcal had squared up to sacrifice.
2006-09-09 11:32:54
112.   gpellamjr
96 I'm with you on this one. If OSU loses against Texas in game 2 again this year, my students might well pay attention to western civilization to 1600. But alas, this year OSU has offense to go with its defense. Oh well.
2006-09-09 11:33:15
113.   JoeyP
The Furcal bunt is a karma changer. The Dodgers should lose on principle today, unless Willie Randolph evens it out with some stupidity of his own.
2006-09-09 11:33:46
114.   regfairfield
True, but if you're going to bunt, why not do it with Maddux instead of Furcal? The man has been unstoppable since the half way point of the season.
2006-09-09 11:34:48
115.   bhsportsguy
113 Colorado should lose every game based on the sacrifice karma.
2006-09-09 11:35:22
116.   overkill94
113 I think it was a neutral situation for a bunt. Not a brilliant idea, but not indefensible. It's nice to have runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out with your 2-3-4 batters coming up.
2006-09-09 11:35:27
117.   Eric Enders
111 He was really busting it down the line though.

As you always should. Why not try for a hit every time you sacrifice?

2006-09-09 11:35:37
118.   Greg Brock
114 I readily concede your point. I just don't think that bunt, in that situation, is worthy of total scorn.
2006-09-09 11:35:43
119.   bhsportsguy
Squeezed the last two pitches.
2006-09-09 11:36:23
120.   gpellamjr
I wonder why I don't hate Valentin.
2006-09-09 11:36:30
121.   Eric Enders
At least Valentin didn't slide into third and come up with a fist pump.

He'll always have that one great moment as a Dodger.

2006-09-09 11:37:08
122.   Greg Brock
This is the crucial inning, getting through the top of this lineup. Please, oh please, just get through this inning unscathed.

Pretty please?

2006-09-09 11:37:42
123.   Bluebleeder87
nice move by Grady.
2006-09-09 11:37:44
124.   regfairfield
120 How can you not love a guy that just walks up there and swings as hard as he can? Sadly, his stats this year means he dropped that approach.
2006-09-09 11:37:46
125.   gpellamjr
121 I can remember two very important homeruns.
2006-09-09 11:38:08
126.   overkill94
I'm guaranteeing a DP ball by Delgado here
2006-09-09 11:38:28
127.   Bob Timmermann
You have much faith in Tim Hamulack.
2006-09-09 11:38:42
128.   Bluebleeder87

Valentin, get's super kudos from me as well.

2006-09-09 11:38:44
129.   bhsportsguy
Not much wiggle room.
2006-09-09 11:38:51
130.   gpellamjr
Great. Hamulack, my freakin' hero.
2006-09-09 11:39:59
131.   Linkmeister
Well, Little must have recognized something I've thought for years: if you're gonna take a pitcher out, AND you want to walk somebody, have the exiting pitcher do it. Why ask somebody to come in and throw four wide ones?
2006-09-09 11:40:29
132.   overkill94
127 I made that proclamation when I thought Maddux would still be throwing to him. Now, I'm gonna go with the strikeout instead.
2006-09-09 11:40:38
133.   DodgerHobbit
Hamulack is what happens when you give leprechauns or hobbits steroids
2006-09-09 11:40:42
134.   Bluebleeder87
Maddux did his job, now let's hope Hamulak get's the job done.
2006-09-09 11:40:44
135.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Maddux looked alright to me, but I hope this move works out...


2006-09-09 11:41:01
136.   ddger
How come Beimel isn't used instead.
2006-09-09 11:41:05
137.   bhsportsguy
Too be fair, the pitch that Reyes popped up to CF was up in the zone.
2006-09-09 11:41:14
138.   Benaiah
I get it... pull Mad Dog and put in Broxton or Tomko even... but Tiny Timmmy, the cat sporting a 5+ ERA? What? Is Grady just trying to keep it interesting? What is interesting about turning 1 run leads into trailing by 2 runs with one swing of the bat?
2006-09-09 11:41:39
139.   gpellamjr
I can't watch.
2006-09-09 11:41:40
140.   RELX
This 70 pitch limit with Maddux is ridiculous. Plus, this is a completely stupid move, even if it works. Hamulack is terrible, and I am sure 329-game winner Greg Maddux can figure out how to get out a LH hitter
2006-09-09 11:41:53
141.   overkill94
Actually, in Delgado's only plate appearance against Delgado, he got him to hit into a DP.

Bring in Broxton to face Wright!

2006-09-09 11:42:05
142.   Eric Enders
125 Yeah, but I definitely think the triple was his most memorable moment.

2006-09-09 11:42:17
143.   Bob Timmermann
Delgado throws his bat in disgust on an almost home run.

Tim Hamulack was the Dodgers Don Liddle there.

2006-09-09 11:42:17
144.   overkill94
Tomko's not a bad call either
2006-09-09 11:42:28
145.   ddger
I guess we're going to use most of our 9 man bullpen today.
2006-09-09 11:42:34
146.   Gen3Blue
I can't watch. Back in a minute
2006-09-09 11:42:40
147.   bhsportsguy
You have to admit, Grady is managing these games like the playoffs.
2006-09-09 11:43:03
148.   Greg Brock
Relax everybody, it's Brett Tomko!

Grady doesn't believe in "crucial situations" necessitating Broxton or Saito in the sixth.

2006-09-09 11:43:33
149.   Eric Enders
141 Forget hitting a baseball. That's gotta be the hardest thing to do in sports!
2006-09-09 11:43:48
150.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Of course, none of us know what Maddux told Grady in that meeting. I think if Maddux put his foot down, he would have stayed in. I haven't watched him pitch all that much, but Maddux's visible frustration after the double seemed awfully uncharacteristic.


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2006-09-09 11:43:54
151.   RELX
147. Hopefully not like the 2003 playoffs!
2006-09-09 11:44:07
152.   Eric Enders
Hamulack to Maddux: "Well, I got my man."
2006-09-09 11:44:31
153.   Bluebleeder87
Tomko vs Wright scares me.
2006-09-09 11:44:36
154.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh


Fingers crossed....


2006-09-09 11:45:13
155.   Eric Enders
"Relax everybody, it's Brett Tomko!"

Had you told me at the beginning of the season that such a comment would be serious and not sarcastic, I wouldn't have believed you.

2006-09-09 11:46:18
156.   overkill94
Ring him up!
2006-09-09 11:46:22
157.   Bluebleeder87
were was that pitch!!?
2006-09-09 11:46:41
158.   overkill94
2006-09-09 11:46:57
159.   regfairfield
Brett Tomko: still Brett Tomko.
2006-09-09 11:47:11
160.   Eric Enders
Screwed out of a win by the men in blue? That 2-2 pitch was so strike three.
2006-09-09 11:47:13
161.   Greg Brock
Now you probably won't need Saito or Broxton in the ninth anyway.

Thanks, Grady.

2006-09-09 11:47:37
162.   ddger
155 How prophetic?
2006-09-09 11:48:11
163.   Benaiah
Worked like a @##$%^&* charm.
2006-09-09 11:48:16
164.   Travis
Remember how I questioned whether either team had any breaks today? That was a break.
2006-09-09 11:48:20
165.   Bluebleeder87

he struck out Wright in my book

2006-09-09 11:48:21
166.   Eric Enders
So does this now mean we get to feast off the corpse of Guillermo Mota?
2006-09-09 11:48:40
167.   RELX
And that folks is why you don't take out 329-game winners after 72 pitchers to put in lefties with a 5.18 ERA and failed starters who are mediocre middle-inning relievers.
2006-09-09 11:48:42
168.   ddger
Tomko should have just walked Wright.
2006-09-09 11:48:50
169.   overkill94
I think it's a waste of time to get upset about a manager not bringing in his best relievers early in the game. I haven't seen anyone do it yet and I don't expect to see anyone do it anytime soon.
2006-09-09 11:48:56
170.   Bluebleeder87
David Wright has magical powers over umps, just look at how they called out Green on the exact same pitch!!
2006-09-09 11:48:58
171.   mikethinksblue
that called strike three to Green was the same pitch as the one to the batter before.
2006-09-09 11:49:08
172.   bonnie
I dnon't usually complain much, but that pitch to Wright was a better pitch than the one Green was called out on.
2006-09-09 11:49:09
173.   King of the Hobos
That strike 3 looked like the same location as ball 3 to Wright.
2006-09-09 11:49:34
174.   Eric Enders
169 He did bring in one of his best relievers. It didn't work.
2006-09-09 11:49:40
175.   Greg Brock
169 Yes, except there are two of them.
2006-09-09 11:49:50
176.   fanerman
4 straight posts saying the exact same thing. Heh.
2006-09-09 11:50:07
177.   gpellamjr
I'm in shock. I have never been so angry at an umpire.
2006-09-09 11:50:12
178.   Bluebleeder87
no matter what, the umps 3 dodgers 2.
2006-09-09 11:50:21
179.   Eric Enders

So I'm guessing it was the same pitch he threw to Wright?

2006-09-09 11:50:23
180.   Jim Ignatowski
Maddux is having cubbie flashbacks.
2006-09-09 11:50:25
181.   ddger
I think Grady took out the starter too early today. He got lucky with Hammy but Tomko gave it up.
2006-09-09 11:51:10
182.   Greg Brock
So, one shouldn't be dismayed because a manager makes the same stupid mistake as every other manager?

I never get upset. This is baseball. The toy department. I get dismayed.

2006-09-09 11:51:21
183.   RELX
This Maddux thing just steams me. I know he is 40-years old, but if he can't throw at least 90-100 pitches in a game, and if he has to be removed for Hamulack and Tomko when the opposing teams best hitters are coming up, what is the point in having him?
2006-09-09 11:51:23
184.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
The last pitch to Wright didn't look all that bad to me. It would have been better to have been inside more, but it wasn't down the middle either.


2006-09-09 11:51:51
185.   bonnie
don't. Sorry about the typo, but I'm using the laptop with my very old cat on my lap also
2006-09-09 11:52:33
186.   bhsportsguy
I thought Maddux got squeezed on that same location to Valentin twice before giving up the double.
2006-09-09 11:53:00
187.   Bluebleeder87

i have to admit i chukled at that.

2006-09-09 11:53:02
188.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 183

Well, does it matter if Maddux can still get through 6 IP with fewer pitches, even if he can't go 90-100 pitches at the age of 40?

It's still a one-run game. Hope still lives.


2006-09-09 11:53:08
189.   overkill94
182 Yes, because it is futile. Unless you can start some sort of revolution, you're just going to anger yourself.
2006-09-09 11:53:36
190.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 186

Same here...


2006-09-09 11:53:58
191.   Greg Brock
189 Again, I don't get angry over a baseball game.

I save my anger for the DMV and politicians.

2006-09-09 11:54:07
192.   bhsportsguy
183 Because Maddux usually has low pitch counts so he makes it into the 6th-7th with around 65-75 pitches.
2006-09-09 11:54:11
193.   overkill94
When was the last time Betemit had a good game? He seems to either hit a lazy fly ball or strike out every time these days.
2006-09-09 11:54:48
194.   bhsportsguy
Here's a situation for a hit and run.
2006-09-09 11:55:25
195.   Eric Enders
"I'm in shock. I have never been so angry at an umpire."

You must have a short memory. Either that or you didn't see the game in San Diego last week...

Personally, the two times I have been most infuriated with an umpire are...

1) Jim Quick in the ball day forfeit game. The guy should've been fired, no questions asked. That game is the only time I've ever thought an umpire intentionally tried to throw the game to one team. Even after all these years, with the emotion subsided, I still think that.

2) Dan Iassogna in the Gagne game in Cincinnati. He gave the Reds a game on a silver platter due to sheer incompetence.

Third place would be Rick Reed and friends.

2006-09-09 11:55:45
196.   bhsportsguy
193 To be fair, he hasn't played much this week.
2006-09-09 11:56:40
197.   Bluebleeder87

i refuse to do that today.

2006-09-09 11:57:29
198.   Eric Enders
193 Sept 1.
2006-09-09 11:57:57
199.   bearlurker
I don't like hit and run with one out and the pitcher's spot up next.
2006-09-09 11:58:03
200.   overkill94
195 That Gagne game was ridiculously infuriating. The only comparable I can think of is the Padre game you speak of where Penny and Lugo got thrown out for no reason.
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2006-09-09 11:58:44
201.   ddger

He's still better than having Lugo at 3rd.

2006-09-09 11:59:09
202.   overkill94
Even if we lose, we have the assurance that Schmidt is going against the Padres today.
2006-09-09 12:00:15
203.   RELX
I know that Maddux usually has--and has always had--low pitch counts, but am I the only one who finds it absurd that he has become a 70-pitch pitcher? He won't be able to get through every game on 8 pitches per inning, and it is ridiculous that he can't get it up to 90,100 pitches. It's not asking much.
2006-09-09 12:02:28
204.   regfairfield
Is there any reason why you'd put Loney on deck then call him back for Anderson? I don't see any kind of tactical advantage there, since I doubt Randolph would handle Loney differently.
2006-09-09 12:02:40
205.   Bluebleeder87
there's still more baseball to be played, but that call does sting, i'm happy knowing the mets know the Dodgers are a team to take serious.
2006-09-09 12:02:47
206.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Schmidt's career ERA against the Padres is 4.76. He's 11-9 against them.
2006-09-09 12:03:05
207.   Eric Enders
203 "he can't get it up to 90,100 pitches"

Only Brad Penny can do that. In fact, he could probably surpass the 100K mark.

2006-09-09 12:03:30
208.   ddger
It will be interesting to hear post game comments on why Grady took out Maddux so early.
2006-09-09 12:03:44
209.   RELX
Just to continue on my pitch-count rant, O.Hernandez, who is the same age as Maddux, maybe older (who really knows) and throws a lot harder, managed to throw 91 pitches today. I just feel that is amazing that Maddux hits this 70-pitch wall and has to come out.
2006-09-09 12:04:09
210.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 204

I think Grady just changed his mind. That's just how he is...


2006-09-09 12:04:15
211.   JoeyP
I'd be upset if I were Maddux the last two ball games. Its one thing to be taken out if Saito/Broxton are coming it. Its another to be relieved for Carrara/Hamulack/Tomko.

Isnt walking Wright a no-brainer with 1st base open in that situation? Shawn Green was on deck.

2006-09-09 12:04:38
212.   overkill94
206 That almost averages out to a quality start every time!
2006-09-09 12:05:38
213.   Eric Enders
209 You really need to heed the advice in your handle. Maddux has always been the kind of guy who takes himself out of games early, even during the Cy Young years.

He is what he is. You might as well get mad at a dog for having fur.

2006-09-09 12:06:08
214.   overkill94
I don't think it was a pitch count situation, it seems that Grady was gunshy after the homer Delgado hit in the 2nd inning and wanted to try and work some match-ups. Overmanaging? Maybe, but if Maddux would have given up another bomb to Delgado we'd be bashing him for leaving him in too long.
2006-09-09 12:06:37
215.   Bluebleeder87
nice play by Furcal, bad hop & all.
2006-09-09 12:07:05
216.   JoeyP
Even if we lose, we have the assurance that Schmidt is going against the Padres today.

There's that.
There's also Penn State vs Notre Dame.
Then Texas vs Ohio State.

2006-09-09 12:07:10
217.   Bob Timmermann

I only have a cat. Can I get mad at him?

2006-09-09 12:08:49
218.   Greg Brock
This will not be one of my favorite games.
2006-09-09 12:09:07
219.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Maddux's baserunning mistake. Kent's error. Ughhh...


2006-09-09 12:09:21
220.   Eric Enders
217 I certainly hope so. Striking out in Mudville was weak.
2006-09-09 12:09:52
221.   ddger
Kent's defense seems to be getting worse. He is usually sure handed without much range.
2006-09-09 12:10:04
222.   JoeyP
Lastings Milledge aint nothing compared to the Dodgers' rooks!
2006-09-09 12:10:56
223.   Jim Ignatowski
In an interview earlier this week, Juan Marichal was discussing a 16 inning game where he threw 247 pitches, pitched all 16 innings and beat Warren Spahn of the Braves 1-0 who also pitched 16 innings. Marichal made his next start in the Giants 4-man rotation and pitched 11 innings.

A far cry from today's pitchers who take themselves out after 90 pitches.

2006-09-09 12:11:13
224.   Jacob L
Kent is officially killing me. At the plate, he's impatient, and expanding the zone like a rookie.
2006-09-09 12:11:50
225.   bhsportsguy
Top of the lineup, time for a comeback.
2006-09-09 12:11:51
226.   Bob Timmermann

He tends to choke in clutch situations. See he was waiting out the pitcher, but he took two hittable pitches and then had to protect the plate.

I blame Billy Beane.

2006-09-09 12:12:06
227.   gpellamjr
195 I did see the game in San Diego, but it didn't make me so angry. I guess it was because the umpire's calls did change the score so suddenly.

I didn't see the Gagne game, either, but have only heard about it since from traveling bards.

2006-09-09 12:12:43
228.   Eric Enders
219 Maddux's baserunning mistake?

Are you guys watching the same game I am? Because I would've called it "Maddux's brilliant baserunning move." He lured the Mets into throwing home on a ball that would've been an inning ending DP. With his baserunning he got the Dodgers another look at the inning with Nomar at bat.

2006-09-09 12:14:06
229.   Greg Brock
228 Maddux just went on contact, like he was told to do.
2006-09-09 12:14:21
230.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 228

I would need to check the replay, but I had the impression Wright was throwing home no matter what, and that Maddux could have made it back to the bag if he hadn't broken so fast.


2006-09-09 12:15:06
231.   popup
I wonder if the Dodgers can sign Mondesi in the next few minutes to hit against Billy Wagner.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 12:15:11
232.   Travis
228 The Dodgers had the hit-and-run on, with Lofton running from first, so the Mets had no chance to turn the DP anyway.
2006-09-09 12:15:16
233.   JoeyP
Nomar's had one crazy season.
2006-09-09 12:15:49
234.   RELX
224. Nomar ain't doing much better. He must still be hurt.
2006-09-09 12:15:55
235.   Jim Ignatowski

You get a big amen from this bobblehead.

2006-09-09 12:16:00
236.   regfairfield
Kent is second among Dodger regulars in isolated patience and first in power.
2006-09-09 12:16:03
237.   Eric Enders
223 Usually when old pitchers cite stats like that about how many pitches they once threw in a game, they're completely making it up. Pitch counts were not routinely kept then. I'm sure Marichal walked uphill both ways in the snow to the ballpark too.

The 16-inning game did happen, though... it famously ended on a homer by Willie Mays. But I doubt Marichal has any clue how many pitches he threw.

2006-09-09 12:17:31
238.   JoeyP
Kent is second among Dodger regulars in isolated patience and first in power.

Kind of like being the tallest midget.
Or little person.

2006-09-09 12:17:48
239.   Greg Brock
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Kenny Lofton.
2006-09-09 12:18:29
240.   Eric Enders
Mets announcer: "Fly ball to center, Lofton got a late start..."

Dept of Redundancy Dept.

2006-09-09 12:19:01
241.   Eric Enders
Thank you Mr. Randolph.
2006-09-09 12:19:26
242.   overkill94
216 Don't forget Rice vs. UCLA! See if Rice can cover the 27.5 point spread!
2006-09-09 12:19:45
243.   JoeyP
The ignorance pendulum swings and hits Willie Randolph.

Bunting Valentin?
Giving an out to Joe Beimel of all people?

2006-09-09 12:20:41
244.   Travis
223 Marichal only went 7 innings, not 11, in his next start 5 days later.

2006-09-09 12:21:13
245.   popup
239 Ethier should be in center.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 12:22:52
246.   Greg Brock
Somebody put a muzzle on Julio Franco.
2006-09-09 12:24:24
247.   Bob Timmermann
247 pitchers over 16 innings is a little over 15 pitches per inning. Marichal struck out 10 in the game, walked four, and gave up 8 hits and another batter reached on an error.
2006-09-09 12:25:17
248.   Greg Brock
I would not have Ethier hit against Billy Wags.
2006-09-09 12:25:19
249.   JoeyP
Thats why you never sacrifice bunt.
2006-09-09 12:26:06
250.   bhsportsguy
If Joey had is way, only pitchers who bat less than .150 would ever bunt.
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2006-09-09 12:26:31
251.   Jim Ignatowski

Well Marichal was a Giant, so I guess he was a Giant liar too (or maybe he had a senior moment)!

2006-09-09 12:26:33
252.   popup
I hope Saenz hits this inning.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 12:26:51
253.   Bluebleeder87
i have to admit these kind of games really hurt, if the ump didn't "like" Wright so much we'd still be 2-1
2006-09-09 12:28:19
254.   JoeyP
250. No, I'd just out-law bunting.
Like as a rule.

Or at least discourage it. Perhaps a rule that if you bunt a ball foul, its an automatic out.

2006-09-09 12:28:40
255.   Eric Enders
To further illustrate the point in 237:

Turns out Marichal didn't pitch 11 innings in his next start 4 days later, as he remembered. His next start was 5 days later and he pitched 7 innings.

And in the 16-inning game, tangotiger's Pitch Count Estimator guesses Marichal threw 218 pitches.

2006-09-09 12:28:49
256.   Travis
According to this article, Marichal threw 227 pitches. Spahn threw 201.

2006-09-09 12:30:11
257.   ddger
Wagner still has the heat (99 mph).
2006-09-09 12:30:17
258.   bhsportsguy
This has to be an atypical Mets game as far as a low scoring affair.
2006-09-09 12:31:56
259.   bhsportsguy
252 You got your wish.
2006-09-09 12:32:01
260.   Eric Enders
It's Repko time!
2006-09-09 12:32:20
261.   ddger
Let's see how Ethier does against Wagner.
2006-09-09 12:32:53
262.   JoeyP
Saenz for Ethier?
I'd let Ethier hit and pinch hit Saenz for Betemit
2006-09-09 12:33:05
263.   Eric Enders
But actually wouldn't Lugo make more sense as the PR since (a) he's as fast or faster than Repko, and (b) he would come in to play second anyway if the D's tie the game.
2006-09-09 12:33:41
264.   Eric Enders
262 I like the Saenz for Ethier move a lot.
2006-09-09 12:33:45
265.   Bob Timmermann
Lugo is probably being saved to bat for Betemit.

Just mull that over.

2006-09-09 12:34:18
266.   bhsportsguy
262 You could see Lugo hit for Betemit.
2006-09-09 12:34:34
267.   JoeyP
Ethier hits .365 against lefties.
I'd have saved Saenz to pinch hit for Betemit, but we'll see if this works.
2006-09-09 12:34:36
268.   Bluebleeder87

i don't agree

2006-09-09 12:34:43
269.   Greg Brock
With two strikes, there is a great chance that Wagner will throw the slider. Send Repko (maybe?).
2006-09-09 12:35:28
270.   bhsportsguy
He was on that 2-2 fastball.
2006-09-09 12:35:35
271.   Eric Enders
(a) Ethier looks awful lately
(b) There is no guarantee Betemit's spot will even come up.
2006-09-09 12:35:44
272.   Greg Brock
There it was
2006-09-09 12:36:39
273.   regfairfield
I do not approve of that decision.
2006-09-09 12:36:47
274.   ddger
Ethier couldn't have done worse.
2006-09-09 12:37:02
275.   Benaiah
So stupid it hurts.
2006-09-09 12:37:04
276.   Bluebleeder87
Grady did a great job today, i liked his moves.
2006-09-09 12:37:16
277.   Greg Brock
He's gonna throw a 3-2 fastball. Should have gone on the 2-2 slider.

Hey, it's tough to beat a good team on the road.

2006-09-09 12:37:26
278.   scareduck
Was there some reason why the Club Sandwich (Hamulack) was used instead of Broxton? The Mets had been seeing soft-tossers all day...
2006-09-09 12:37:34
279.   Gagne55
Nice way to swing at ball 4, Olmedo.
2006-09-09 12:38:29
280.   Bluebleeder87
the umps are human & they'll mess up, NY dosn't scare me at all, i love our chances against them. i'll take that away from this game.
2006-09-09 12:38:29
281.   Bob Timmermann
And then I turn on ABC and find out that they are showing me Washington at Oklahoma.

I'll take a nap for a while.

2006-09-09 12:38:35
282.   Linkmeister
Oh, ouch. C'mon, Giants.
2006-09-09 12:38:39
283.   popup
Good ballgame. I hope these two teams replay it next month with the Dodgers getting the win.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 12:39:17
284.   JT Dutch
... I hope there's a day where managers will end their love affair with the stolen base and stop giving outs to the opposition for no good reason. Especially the last two outs of the game.
2006-09-09 12:40:02
285.   Gagne55
should have sent Raffy in the first...
2006-09-09 12:40:31
286.   Travis
281 Bob - try NBC. It's a Notre Dame home game.
2006-09-09 12:41:14
287.   Gen3Blue
One consolation is that we didn't get into a marathom extra inning game( as we have before with the Mets). That would have been a disastrous drain esp. if we lossed.
2006-09-09 12:41:22
288.   popup
282 The Giants have an easier schedule the rest of the way. And they are the Giants. I am rooting for the Padres.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 12:41:38
289.   Gagne55
280 A loss is a loss. I tdoesn't matter if it's 3-2 on a bad ump call or 40-0. It counts the same in the standings and means the same for playoff chances.
2006-09-09 12:41:51
290.   Linkmeister
Who was it who liked old-fashioned football uniforms? NBC has PSU-ND.
2006-09-09 12:42:22
291.   Eric Enders
So the loss is Olmedo's fault for swinging at ball four.

Or no, wait, it's Grady's fault! He made every wrong decision he could have!

No, wait, it's the umpire's fault! Or it's that stupid slow Repko's fault. Or it's Nomar's fault for being listless. Or Maddux's fault for not being able to pitch longer. Or it's Hamulack's fault for, um... uh...

Seriously, why do we have to try to hunt down somebody to crucify for every loss? Sometimes the team just loses. It happens. Let's get 'em tomorrow.

2006-09-09 12:42:29
292.   Gagne55
288 But the Padres own the Dodgers.
2006-09-09 12:43:41
293.   Bob Timmermann
A nap is still looking like a good idea.

I also concur with 289

2006-09-09 12:44:17
294.   Bluebleeder87

i'm not gonna play that game today, NY is not that good & i like our chances against them.

2006-09-09 12:44:18
295.   Greg Brock
290 That's me! It's a simplistic uniform fan's dream game!
2006-09-09 12:44:35
296.   Bob Timmermann
And there is much truth in 291 too.

"People explode. It happens."

2006-09-09 12:45:09
297.   Greg Brock
My two favorite college uniforms are squaring off today.
2006-09-09 12:45:42
298.   Bluebleeder87

Bob prime/fox has a good show at the moment check it out.

2006-09-09 12:45:44
299.   Eric Enders
Rice and UCLA?
2006-09-09 12:45:49
300.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, those Nicholls State uniforms are sweet!
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2006-09-09 12:46:12
301.   Greg Brock
296 Repo Man was on yesterday. I thought of you, and had a hearty chuckle.
2006-09-09 12:46:36
302.   Linkmeister
295 I kinda thought it was you.

So what's the consensus pick for OSU-Texas?

2006-09-09 12:47:30
303.   Bob Timmermann
Some fans try to get out of tense situations. Dodgers fans live for tense situations!
2006-09-09 12:47:30
304.   Bluebleeder87

ugh! dont' get me started on that whole thing, i love baseball & everything that comes with it.

2006-09-09 12:48:02
305.   Bob Timmermann
Rice changed their uniforms this year. So the Owls will definitely be what we've seen.
2006-09-09 12:48:28
306.   Bob Timmermann
Left out a crucial "not" in that line.

See, I need a nap.

2006-09-09 12:52:03
307.   Eric Enders
Rice has the best helmet in college football IMO.
2006-09-09 12:53:33
308.   Bluebleeder87

i know nothing about football

2006-09-09 12:55:59
309.   Eric Enders
Actually I have to take back 307 because it appears Rice changed their helmets also.

Messing with a good thing there.

2006-09-09 12:56:17
310.   JT Dutch
291 - "Seriously, why do we have to try to hunt down somebody to crucify for every loss? Sometimes the team just loses. It happens. Let's get 'em tomorrow."

... We'll obviously never know for sure, but I wonder if Saenz would have taken that last pitch if Grady didn't foolishly send the runner. It was an unnecessary move to make. I could almost understand sending an established base stealer in the 9th inning, like Lofton, earlier in the count -- but to send Repko on a 3-2 count with a hitter prone to striking out is a terrible move. And Grady should be held responsible for it.

Today was the only chance to split this series. Tomorrow, Grady's sending out the great Eric Stultz to go up against the team with the best record in the league. Forgive me if I don't feel all that good about the Dodgers' prospects for victory.

2006-09-09 12:58:19
311.   Bob Timmermann
Unlike Friday night, when we were all brimming with optimism over Hong-Chih Kuo starting.
2006-09-09 13:00:16
312.   Sam DC
Send these slackers to Olga's House of Shame!
2006-09-09 13:00:22
313.   Bluebleeder87
Today was the only chance to split this series. Tomorrow, Grady's sending out the great Eric Stultz to go up against the team with the best record in the league. Forgive me if I don't feel all that good about the Dodgers' prospects for victory.

while reading you're post, my brain just thought, please be the good bluebleeder.

2006-09-09 13:00:31
314.   Eric Enders
310 I agree to a point. Still, there are plenty of arguments for sending the runner in that situation:

1) Avoiding the DP with the slothlike Saenz up
2) Repko's very fast
3) Lousy throwing catcher
4) Pitcher with a very high leg kick
5) Saenz is a fastball hitter and was 100% certain to get a fastball. He was very likely to make contact. (And, in fact, did.)

That was an extremely defensible move that just didn't work out.

2006-09-09 13:01:32
315.   Gagne55
310 Saenz is liable to the double play, though.

Secondly, Lowe should be the one starting tomorrow. He's got a rubber arm and made <80 pitches in his last start. Three days is not short rest for him. Unfortuately, you are right in saying that Stultz will be the one who does get to start.

2006-09-09 13:01:58
316.   Bluebleeder87

this game was ours Bob, NY is nothing to me, i'm scared of SD & STL. NY please!!!

2006-09-09 13:03:08
317.   Gagne55
314 Umm... if Saenz made contact on the 3-2 pitch, then why did he swing and miss for strike three?
2006-09-09 13:03:41
318.   Eric Enders
317 He swung and foul tipped it for strike three.
2006-09-09 13:06:36
319.   Gagne55
I'm suprised nobody has mentioned Nomar's 0-4 with a team leading 3 LOB...
2006-09-09 13:08:35
320.   Gagne55
318 Did he? It looked like a clean wiff to me. Oh well, just hope SD loses and try to go get 'em tomorrow.
2006-09-09 13:10:18
321.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I'm with Enders on this one.

NY's a good team. We lost. Simple as that. No need to worry over might-have-beens.

Tomorrow's another day...


2006-09-09 13:10:29
322.   Bluebleeder87
all i know is that i'll be there in the flesh friday against the freaking Padres.
2006-09-09 13:11:38
323.   JT Dutch

1-The chances for a DP, or even a ground ball, were remote. Wagner is not enough of a groundball pitcher and Saenz not enough of a groundball hitter to justify sending a runner to avoid a DP.

2-True. But he needs work and experience for his speed to translate into becoming a base stealer.


4-The leg kick of Wagner is somewhat offset by a 100 MPH fastball getting to the plate very quickly.

5-Saenz is indeed a fastball hitter, but he's a strikeout hitter. Very questionable type of hitter to send a runner with the count 3-2.

I don't think the move is as defensible as you make it out to be, but I'll agree to disagree. It is a frustrating loss all the way around.


Exactly. How many times can we expect lightning in a bottle?

2006-09-09 13:16:01
324.   Eric Enders
OK, moving on to tomorrow's game... in honor of our starting pitcher, I hereby present the top 5 Eric Stoltz films.

1. Kicking and Screaming
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Say Anything...
4. Fast Times at Ridgemont High
5. Mask

2006-09-09 13:16:39
325.   Bluebleeder87
i like the fact that alot of you are more upset then me about todays loss.
2006-09-09 13:19:02
326.   Eric Enders
David Wells vs Barry Bonds right now.

Also known as, "Two guys who have zero chance of ever winning the Clemente Award."

2006-09-09 13:19:04
327.   Bluebleeder87
the Met's never seen Stults so i'm cool with him starting.
2006-09-09 13:19:43
328.   Eric Enders
And the Giants take a 2-0 lead. #731.
2006-09-09 13:20:27
329.   Eric Enders
327 He's also left-handed and the Mets are so bad against left-handers that I could probably hold my own on the mound.
2006-09-09 13:20:28
330.   Sam DC
No Some Kind of Wonderful?
2006-09-09 13:21:06
331.   Eric Enders
330 Never saw that one, actually. Should I?
2006-09-09 13:21:49
332.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 323

I don't think it was really a fluke Kuo pitched so well. Nothing's guaranteed, but looking at his minor league numbers as a starter in AAA, there was clearly promise there.

As for Stults, well, I think we'd need the lightning in a bottle there. But ya never know...


2006-09-09 13:24:05
333.   Sam DC
330 My favorite John Hughes.
2006-09-09 13:25:56
334.   twerp
324 How about Forrest Gump? " a box of chocolates; you never know what you're gonna get."

Maybe if he does well, he could be nicknamed Forrest... ;))

Or maybe even if he doesn't....

2006-09-09 13:25:59
335.   Marty
324 Substitute 2 Days in the Valley for Kicking and Screaming.
2006-09-09 13:27:09
336.   Bluebleeder87


2006-09-09 13:27:52
337.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh

153.1 IP 153 H 10 HR 68 BB 128 K 4.23 ERA

In Vegas, the numbers aren't horrible by any means. Of course, it's still AAA. We'll see, I suppose...


2006-09-09 13:30:23
338.   Eric Enders
335 Over my dead body.

Kicking and Screaming is one of my pet films, and a neglected classic. (And I do mean the real "Kicking and Screaming," not the unrelated Will Ferrell nonsense.) It just came out on Criterion -- everybody should check it out.

2006-09-09 13:38:38
339.   Benaiah
I think that the biggest choke was Grittle, who seemed to be breaking out his playoff rules of management in honor of a series with the NL leaders. Pulling Maddux seemed like a "fool me once... shame on you. Fool me twice..." sort of move. However, this isn't Pedro on 100 pitches in the 7th, this is control artist Maddux with 72 pitches in the 6th. Let him get out of it! Lets not even get into the 9th. Suffice it to say, blame Grady, but he has generally been very good this year and so I think he deserves a mulligan on this one. I just hope it isn't a sign of things to come.
2006-09-09 13:39:31
340.   thinkingblue
Sure, it's our fault we lost. But the Mets are paying the home plate umpire. Wow that was a terrible call. And then he comes back and calls a high breaking ball a strike 3 to Shawn Green.

And no, I don't think a lefty who throws 95+ with a sharp breaking ball is a fluke either.

2006-09-09 13:40:18
341.   Eric Enders
339 assumes it was Little's decision and not Maddux's, which I find extremely unlikely.
2006-09-09 13:47:27
342.   Bluebleeder87
umpires are a species that mind bogle my mind.
2006-09-09 13:53:15
343.   Benaiah
341 - Maddux took himself out of the game? I was watching on Gameday so I didn't see if he did someting like that, but why would you say that Maddux decided to leave?
2006-09-09 14:00:36
344.   Eric Enders
343 I don't know that for certain about today's game. But that's the way Maddux and his managers have operated throughout his career. He's generally the one who decides when he's done.
2006-09-09 14:00:43
345.   Bob Timmermann

I was a man of my word. I see that Notre Dame is not as bad as they were last week.

By how much will UCLA lose to Notre Dame on Oct. 21? UCLA is traditionally very bad against good nonconference opponents on the road.

2006-09-09 14:02:55
346.   Greg Brock
345 Oh yee of little faith.
2006-09-09 14:03:47
347.   Greg Brock
The extra e was for "expectations"

Actually, I just messed up.

2006-09-09 14:04:24
348.   Bob Timmermann
I don't even have the faith of a mustard seed.
2006-09-09 14:06:46
349.   overkill94
338 My roommate's been pimping that movie for a while now. I watched some of it a while back but it didn't hold my interest. I'll have to give it another shot one of these days.
2006-09-09 14:09:31
350.   overkill94
3-0 Giants now. See, I told you everything would be okay with Schmidt on the mound, past numbers be damned :)
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2006-09-09 14:10:00
351.   Uncle Miltie
If only we had David Wells!
2006-09-09 14:10:37
352.   Eric Enders
Following up on 344:
"CHICAGO -- Greg Maddux was sharp and succinct for most of Tuesday night, bringing back memories of when he dominated the National League ... all the way back in April. And when his 40-year-old body acted up, he listened and took himself out of the game."
"As Baker said in his postgame comments, Maddux took himself out of the game by giving the manager the prearranged signal. Maddux has had the leeway to do that since he returned to the Cubs last year"
"'The fourth time through the order is tough,' said Maddux, who
took himself out of the game. 'They hit a lot of balls hard but
they were right at people.'"
"For most of the day, Maddux had maddening movement on everything he threw. Fastballs looked like sliders and the breaking stuff was pure Playstation. But something flattened out and then Maddux took himself out."

2006-09-09 14:13:28
353.   das411
Is Brady Quinn really this good or is our defense really this bad?
2006-09-09 14:15:33
354.   Uncle Miltie
352- but Maddux is a warrior and JD Drew is a softie who isn't clutch. Funny how that works.
2006-09-09 14:19:43
355.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, how come nobody told me Washington and Oklahoma were tied at halftime?
2006-09-09 14:20:39
356.   Eric Enders
Awesome. Go Huskies, go.
2006-09-09 14:22:09
357.   Bob Timmermann
Paul McGuire is one of the announcers. This is not good.
2006-09-09 14:28:02
358.   Jon Weisman
Eric, I adored the original Kicking and Screaming.
2006-09-09 14:29:32
359.   Bob Timmermann
I'm debating whether or not to wear the Team Croatia jersey to the UCLA game. I don't think it will work well.
2006-09-09 14:31:24
360.   Eric Enders
358 I knew you were a man of taste!
2006-09-09 14:33:08
361.   Bob Timmermann
Padres get a run in the 6th and trail the Giants 4-1. But Schmidt is going through the Padres order with minimal trouble nonetheless.
2006-09-09 14:38:41
362.   Bob Timmermann
Washington's success against Oklahoma has been short-lived.
2006-09-09 14:49:00
363.   Greg Brock
Isaiah Stanback might be the worst quarterback of the history of the world.

That is no hyperbole.

2006-09-09 14:49:46
364.   Greg Brock
Yes, Bob, worse that Ryan Fien.
2006-09-09 14:50:18
365.   Linkmeister
It's now 4-3 Giants going to the bottom of the 7th.
2006-09-09 14:55:25
366.   Bob Timmermann
Worse than Joe Ayoob?
2006-09-09 14:57:15
367.   Nagman
Strange play in SF. Slow roller up the first base line by Winn, Gonzales fields it about halfway,right on the chalk. Winn avoids the tag but is called out for running out of the baseline.

I guess you are supposed to not interfere with the fielder but stay within arm's reach of him in order to let him tag you.

And now Giles ties it up.

2006-09-09 14:57:31
368.   regfairfield
Brian Giles with a rare home run to tie the game.
2006-09-09 14:59:59
369.   Bob Timmermann

Well, in a sense that is what you are supposed to do. You can only deviate from the basepath to avoid getting hit by a batted ball.

2006-09-09 15:00:58
370.   Greg Brock
366 It's close, but Stanback is just a slight bit worse.
2006-09-09 15:04:36
371.   Bob Timmermann
I seee what you mean. Stanback is a multi-threat bad QB.
2006-09-09 15:06:15
372.   Uncle Miltie
363- it's hard to argue with you after that last fumble
2006-09-09 15:06:38
373.   Greg Brock
Worst. Quarterback. Ever.
2006-09-09 15:07:35
374.   Bob Timmermann
Wasn't Stanback drafted by a baseball team?
2006-09-09 15:08:28
375.   Greg Brock
He's a centerfielder, I believe. Not sure which team, but he was drafted.
2006-09-09 15:08:37
376.   Bob Timmermann
Chulk to face Cameron with a runner on 2nd and two outs.
2006-09-09 15:10:11
377.   Bob Timmermann
The Orioles drafted Stanback.
2006-09-09 15:12:50
378.   Uncle Miltie
Stanback doesn't even have his own Wikipedia page....he's that bad.

Even Lucille is on Wikipedia!

2006-09-09 15:13:29
379.   Bob Timmermann
Chulk got out of the inning. 4-4 tie in the bottom of the 8th between the Pads and Gints.
2006-09-09 15:19:10
380.   Uncle Miltie
He almost threw an interception! Which side is he on?
2006-09-09 15:19:21
381.   King of the Hobos
377 According to BA, he's never actually played baseball at Washington, the Orioles just drafted him for some crazy reason.
2006-09-09 15:22:00
382.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm watching the Washington/Oklahoma game with the sound off; who was that getting arrested?
2006-09-09 15:24:57
383.   Bob Timmermann

Aren't "crazy reasons" part of the Orioles team development philosophy? How else can you explain that mess of a franchise?

2006-09-09 15:34:55
384.   Bob Timmermann
Bonus cantos in San Francisco!
2006-09-09 15:58:06
385.   Linkmeister
Durham triples for the Giants with one out in the 11th.
2006-09-09 16:00:47
386.   confucius
385 Durham could have scored on that play because Cameron through towards third.
2006-09-09 16:02:29
387.   confucius
386 threw
2006-09-09 16:04:28
388.   Nagman
I like the deep alley in right center at AT&T, it's fun to see balls hit there and see the fielders chase it.

I really like it today.

2006-09-09 16:05:27
389.   Linkmeister
And of course Gameday has frozen.
2006-09-09 16:06:22
390.   Greg Brock
Gameday is just horrible. I mean...golly, it's just a horrible program.
2006-09-09 16:08:11
391.   overkill94
Either Sweeney's having a Cora-like at-bat, someone got hurt, or Yahoo's thing is frozen as well.
2006-09-09 16:09:27
392.   overkill94
Game over, Giants win!

I shouldn't be this excited about a Giants win, but I am.

2006-09-09 16:09:27
393.   Greg Brock
So is CBS's.
2006-09-09 16:09:29
394.   Linkmeister
So is CBS.
2006-09-09 16:09:54
395.   Linkmeister
And the Giants radio station I usually get has football.
2006-09-09 16:10:07
396.   Uncle Miltie
Just got home, the Giants won. Mark Sweeney did something because they were interviewing him.
2006-09-09 16:10:38
397.   Greg Brock
Game over on a fielder's choice. I'm guessing a safe call at first on an attempted double play.
2006-09-09 16:12:21
398.   Bob Timmermann
Late throw home for a force.
2006-09-09 16:13:26
399.   Linkmeister
So Padres 1 1/2 back, Giants 2 1/2 back, right?
2006-09-09 16:19:32
400.   Uncle Miltie
This Iowa/Syracuse game is hilarious
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2006-09-09 16:21:02
401.   Bob Timmermann

That is correct.

2006-09-09 16:24:40
402.   Uncle Miltie
Syracuse had 6 tries on the 1 yard line thanks to a pass interference call, and they still couldn't score!
2006-09-09 16:27:36
403.   Bob Timmermann
Well, they were really from the 2, but you make a good point.

Pass interference in the end zone in college football puts the ball at the 2. Unless you're inside the 2, then it's half the distance.

But Syracuse was using it's Xeno's Paradox offense.

2006-09-09 16:28:18
404.   Greg Brock
There were two pass interference calls.
2006-09-09 16:43:55
405.   Linkmeister
LSU is whomping Arizona while UH has a bye this week. Hmm. Who to root for this afternoon?

Maybe I'll just pick up my book with OSU-Texas on in the background.

2006-09-09 16:47:53
406.   Bob Timmermann
You mean you don't get Rice-UCLA out in the Islands? It should be a barn burner! When these two schools get together, they leave it all out on the field.

Makes it really hard for the equipment managers to clean up.

2006-09-09 16:49:29
407.   Bob Timmermann
The Marlins lead the Phillies 3-2 in the fifth. If the Phillies lose, then 2 of the 3 positive events (in magic number terms) for the Dodgers will have happened.
2006-09-09 16:53:26
408.   Linkmeister
406 (checks TV schedule) By golly, I do get it! But that's not till 4:00pm my time, so I have to watch something till then, or else it's back to Discworld for me.

Since I lived in Westwood for a couple of years, I suppose I should root for UCLA, huh?

2006-09-09 16:55:42
409.   Bob Timmermann

I don't ask for much from my legion of 3-4 loyal readers except for them to root for UCLA when they are heavy favorites at home.

2006-09-09 16:59:16
410.   Linkmeister
Well, there is that ex-WAC connection with Rice...

Who am I kidding? The teams which have left the WAC over the past three or four years have left me embittered. Embittered, I tell you!

2006-09-09 17:03:39
411.   Bob Timmermann
The last time Rice won a conference championship, they had a losing record overall. They were co-champs in the last year of the Southwest Conference.

The Owls haven't been to a bowl game since 1961.

2006-09-09 17:08:50
412.   popup
For what it is worth, I would have had Repko running on the 3-2 pitch for two reasons: 1)if Saenz hits one on the ground, it is a sure double play and 2) even of more importance, if Saenz hits one in the gap, Repko scores the tying run. If Repko does not run he is on first with 2 outs and Lugo pinch hitting for Betemit. I would take my chances running Repko goven those choices.

One thing that raised my eyebrows when Grady did it and I have not heard anyone mention is giving an intentional walk to Beltran. That goes completely against the book, walking the tying run. I might do that in some sutuations, but not with one out and Delgado and Wright on deck.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:22:10
413.   underdog
So, I Tivo'd last night's game and watched it this morning, and missed today's game - I guess I made the right decision, as last night's was a gem all around, and today's sounded... "eh." Oh well.

On a scale of one to ten, how is everyone's confidence about a second rookie lefty burning the Mets this weekend? Mine's about a 5.

And now that the Giants have taken two from the Padres, I find myself unable to root for them any longer - they're too close to the Dodgers in the standings now, and I live in SF, so the thought of them sneaking past them makes me physically ill. Please Dodgers, don't let it happen.

Meanwhile, I hope Eric Stoltz, er, Stults, does us proud tomorrow. I have to choose between that game and the Broncos-Rams in the morning so there'll be a lot of nervousness all around.

2006-09-09 17:26:06
414.   popup
Pirates lead the Reds 5-4 in the 8th

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:28:38
415.   Greg Brock
Ten bucks says that Brent Musberger can find a way to talk about Michigan before this game is over.

Any takers?

2006-09-09 17:29:36
416.   Bob Timmermann
But the Dodgers will be in first when they start their series in Wrigley. And most likely Zambrano won't be pitching. A sweep there would be very nice. Very, very, very nice.
2006-09-09 17:32:28
417.   Sam DC
Ramon Ortiz will not be throwing a no hitter this evening at Coors Field.
2006-09-09 17:33:34
418.   popup
413 I think the Dodgers are going to have to score runs tomorrow. I imagine Grady will have a quick hook if Stults gets in trouble.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:38:38
419.   popup
Bob, a win tomorrow and 2 out of 3 in Chicago would be ok with me. Going into this road trip I thought to myself that the Dodgers should be in good shape if they go 5-5.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:43:35
420.   underdog
418 Probably so. I can imagine it being a high scoring game and fairly even. Trachsel has a good record but he doesn't exactly put the fear of God in people. At any rate, I'm glad they have Monday off...
2006-09-09 17:46:58
421.   Greg Brock
Trachsel's pitching? Great, should be a nice four hour game.
2006-09-09 17:49:39
422.   popup
7-4 Pirates

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:53:56
423.   underdog
421 I know, too bad the Dodgers don't still have Odalis Perez. The first three innings could take 2 hrs alone!

Okay, I'm off - gonna finish watching Thieves Highway (classic Jules Dassin) and then Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, followed by trying to write and staring wistfully off into space, occasionally drooling.

2006-09-09 17:55:18
424.   popup
421 As long as Dodgers don't win the time of possession, they should have a chance.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 17:58:35
425.   Greg Brock
423 I was blown away by how good Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was.
2006-09-09 17:58:52
426.   popup
Reds lost, 7-4.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-09 18:05:30
427.   Sam DC
Ninth inning, Phillies down one. Victorino, Utley, Howard due up.
2006-09-09 18:09:49
428.   Sam DC
Wow, that's more than Bondsian. Victorino walks. Utley makes an out. So with the runner on first andone out, they IBB Howard.

Moving the tying runner into scoring position.

Even though the double play was already in order.

2006-09-09 18:11:54
429.   Greg Brock
Notre Dame vs. Army

AFLAC trivia.

2006-09-09 18:12:31
430.   Sam DC
Oh dear, Conine singles in the run. Runners on 2d and 3d after the unsuccesful throw home.
2006-09-09 18:16:40
431.   Sam DC
Now OF Jose Hernandez up with bases loaded two outs after a bases loaded K by Carlos Ruiz.
2006-09-09 18:17:56
432.   das411
Aaaaand Jose the K sends us into extras. Thanks Jose. At least Tomas Perez made a mean shaving cream pie.
2006-09-09 18:19:00
433.   Sam DC
Bye bye Vlad - Soriano gets #45.
2006-09-09 18:26:33
434.   trainwreck
SPJ gets to add to his heisman resume tonight. He should put up big numbers against Rice. UCLA scored all over them last year.
2006-09-09 18:27:50
435.   das411
Hey Sam, why do you think in games like this Phils/Marlins one, more teams don't walk a guy like Miggy C there? He's second in the league in batting and really the only legit threat to end the game with one swing, plus Willingham is batting like 60 points lower from behind him. Is the risk of putting a runner on that much greater than the risk of just pitching to him?
2006-09-09 18:31:34
436.   Greg Brock
434 After watching Troy take it to Florida State, I'll be happy with a nice 17 point win.
2006-09-09 18:34:35
437.   Sam DC
Nats error count is 2, throwing errors by the left side of the infield. Zimmerman is killing his already slim gold glove chances with these throwing errors.

435 There are people who readily know the numbers on these situations but I'm not them. I'm pretty down on the IBB, esp. when you're not just filling in behind a runner on second with one out. It's true Cabrera is a much bigger threat to hit one out than anyone behind him, but by putting him on, you're making so hitting it out is no longer necessary.

But it's easy to argue the other side.

Walking Howard in that situation, however, was insane, no matter how locked in Howard is right now.

2006-09-09 18:36:52
438.   das411
Yes but now we get to see just how clutch Conine is...and whether Girardi will be managing the Fish or the Cubs next season...
2006-09-09 18:37:20
439.   regfairfield
435 Situations like those also depend highly on how many outs there are. The way the math works, there is aboslutely no reason to walk 2001-2004 Barry with no outs. With two outs, you pretty much always walk him, even if Miguel Tejada is hitting behind Binds.
2006-09-09 18:38:04
440.   regfairfield
When I say no reason, I mean barring situations like where Barry being on base doesn't effect the final result in anyway.
2006-09-09 18:39:31
441.   das411
Sure Reg, but in the situation here, which was two outs, tie game, bottom 9th and no men on, why not just neutralize the other team's best hitter? Make Willingham beat you instead of Cabrera, especially in a game this important to both teams.

Oh well, Arthur "Ken's Favorite Reliever" Rhodes is about to render it all moot anyways...

2006-09-09 18:43:55
442.   regfairfield
In that situation, yeah, I'd walk Cabrera.
2006-09-09 18:49:44
443.   das411
Yessss!! Injury delay with Rhodes on the mound...dare I wish...?
2006-09-09 18:51:26
444.   Sam DC
Did Rhodes just hurt himself throwing that wild pitch?
2006-09-09 18:53:46
445.   King of the Hobos
TJ Nall has pitched extremely well over 7 innings trying to keep Jacksonville's season alive. He's allowed 2 hits and 1 walk while striking out 7. Unfortunately, his counterpart, Mitch Talbot, has pitched 7 scoreless innings allowing 2 hits and no walks while striking out 11. It's currently 0-0 heading to the 8th.
2006-09-09 18:56:08
446.   Sam DC
DT fave Cody Ross ends it in FL.
2006-09-09 18:57:16
447.   King of the Hobos
The Suns failed to do anything positive in their half of the 8th, striking out twice more against Talbot.
2006-09-09 18:57:39
448.   das411
Ah well, time to go grab some dinnah, later peeps!
2006-09-09 19:32:23
449.   King of the Hobos
The Suns' season is over. In the bottom of the 9th, Mark Alexander managed 2 outs before Evan Longoria blasted a walkoff, 2 run home run. If anyone is called up from Jacksonville, it likely would occur soon.
2006-09-09 19:34:57
450.   Sam DC
Thanks for the info.
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2006-09-09 19:44:50
451.   Andrew Shimmin
Tell me there's ever been a cooler story than this one:
2006-09-09 19:47:12
452.   twerp
Think I saw where Duke Snider has written a book, in which he named his all-time Dodger team.

Anyone know who was on it? Thanks!

2006-09-09 19:55:26
453.   Greg Brock
451 Andrew, that's one of those things that I've been talking about doing for years, and people look at me like I've watched too much sci-fi.

Vaporized trash...It's time has come.

2006-09-09 19:55:49
454.   Greg Brock
Stupid apostrophe. Get out of my sentence!
2006-09-09 20:09:27
455.   trainwreck
UCLA defense looks so much better this year. Rice also calls some of the dumbest plays I have ever seen.
2006-09-09 20:13:07
456.   Andrew Shimmin
453- It's like, in the blink of an eye, junk mail went from being irritating trash to a renewable resource. I would like to officially retract every mean thing I've ever said about AOL disks. G-d Bless the Pennysaver!
2006-09-09 20:16:41
457.   Greg Brock
456 Saving the world through Vons and Pizza Hut mail inserts.
2006-09-09 20:17:54
458.   twerp
452 Answered my own question, in part, courtesy Google==

"Few And Chosen: Defining Dodger Greatness Across the Eras" by Duke Snider with Phil Pepe

"The fifth book of a series in which author Phil Pepe partners with a legendary member of a team to create that organization's all-time roster.

"Duke Snider, the Hall of Fame outfielder of both the Brooklyn and Los Angeles Dodgers, is the logical choice to break down his all-time Dodgers team. Of course, many of his teammates -- Gil Hodges, Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, Pee Wee Resse, Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale -- made the cut.

"But most baseball experts would place them on the all-time Dodger team too. Snider also had his eye on the present when he placed current closer Eric Gagne as the best Dodgers reliever of all-time. Snider adds anecdotes and historical perspective to his team. A great read, whether or not you bleed Dodger blue." (Triumph Books)

Didn't find full listing of team.

2006-09-09 20:26:49
459.   Andrew Shimmin
According to a (cached) Keisser article, he picked five at each position. One of whom was Zach Wheat.

Lifted from an ebay auction for the book:

His selections are hard to dispute, beginning with an infield lineup of backstop Campanella, first bagger Hodges, second baseman Robinson, shortstop Reese, and third sacker Vaughan. His outfield has Medwick, Reiser, and Furillo. Drysdale and Koufax are the top righthanded and southpaw pitchers, while Gagne heads the relief staff. Perhaps most surprisingly, Dressen stands as the leading Dodger manager, followed by Alston and Durocher. Modesty produced the most glaring omission, the Duke's necessary placement in the centerfield station.

2006-09-09 20:35:11
460.   Bluebleeder87

I've seen him at work, & it's not fun nor funny

2006-09-09 21:39:44
461.   Greg Brock
You guys remember the friendly, non-confrontational Greg Brock that usually hangs out around Dodger Thoughts?

After tonight's UCLA game, I'm ready to fight each and every one of you. Let's go.

2006-09-09 21:44:53
462.   Andrew Shimmin
Well, they're not losing, at least. Reports of a certain southpaw's Jesusness may have been premature.
2006-09-09 21:47:08
463.   xaphor
451 Garbage Thoughts… Woo!

Plasma vitrification is not the holy grail of garbage disposal and there are quite a few serious issues with the process.

- The cost to construct one is extremely inhibitive.
- Claims of zero emissions have been given before and turned out to really mean minute emissions. The problem lies in that emissions from this process tend to be carcinogenic which are dangerous even in minute doses.
- The solids created can be laced with heavy metals which pose serious health risks.
- Those currently in service have had chronic operational problems.
- Past claims of producing surplus energy have proved difficult to meet.
- In an attempt to keep the plant profitable it will turn into a garbage importer.
- It discourages recycling.

The DOD rejected this method for chemical weapon destruction on the basis of being unreliable and creating hazardous waste. However, I believe the Navy is looking into plasma as solution to an international law banning garbage dumping at sea.

The plants in Japan mentioned should be, if I recall correctly, medical waste disposal units. Medical waste is a unique case in that breaking down compounds to their base elements is imperative in their disposal. There is also a current plasma medical waste unit in Hawaii which notably had an operational failure that lead to the storage of ten times its legal limit of waste, including a bunch of it basking in the sun on the facilities parking lot.

Plasma is not a new method of garbage disposal, just an upgraded incinerator. With energy prices soaring the temptation for waste to energy incineration is hard to resist despite the serious health and environmental concerns.

2006-09-09 21:54:37
464.   Greg Brock
You guys remember the friendly, non-confrontational Greg Brock that usually hangs out around Dodger Thoughts?

After tonight's UCLA game, I'm ready to fight each and every one of you. Let's go.

2006-09-09 21:55:18
465.   Greg Brock
I don't understand how that got double posted, but it's my first ever Dodger Thoughts double post.

I'm so ashamed.

2006-09-09 21:57:05
466.   Greg Brock
In any event, the only 100% emmissions free form of energy is nuclear power (I don't count solar or wind, because they suck), but nobody wants to build nuclear power plants.

I'm a true greenie, but I lost my environmentalist card when I told people that nuclear power is good.

2006-09-09 22:00:27
467.   trainwreck
How did UCLA not recognize that he was going to pitch it back?
2006-09-09 22:02:35
468.   Greg Brock
UCLA could have run the football all game and won by 35.
2006-09-09 22:04:09
469.   trainwreck
Usually the case when a team has 5 defensive backs.
2006-09-09 22:12:05
470.   Greg Brock
There is a new leader in the clubhouse for "most hollow victories of all time."
2006-09-09 22:24:59
471.   Andrew Shimmin
When the Revolution comes, we won't be doing any environmental impact reports before we vaporize our trash. But, if we did, just for kicks, it would be on beautiful, sturdy, un-recycled paper.
2006-09-09 22:47:23
472.   capdodger
466 Dead to me:
Greenies who don't realize the econo-political implications of Nu-q-lar power.

Football teams that run the option.

2006-09-09 22:52:17
473.   Greg Brock
When people bring up nuclear power, the first rebuttal is Chernobyl. That's like using Thalidomide as an argument against all medication. Don't use aspirin or the polio vaccine...Think about thalidomide! The worst, most irresponsible example to disregard an entire field of science.
2006-09-09 22:55:29
474.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm so edgy, I like nuclear power and thalidomide.
2006-09-09 22:57:16
475.   Greg Brock
474 Andrew wins. I can't beat that.
2006-09-09 23:07:41
476.   Greg Brock
One day, my fellow environmentalists will explain to me why nuclear power is bad. So far, the only explanation I've heard is "But, but...It's nuclear power...It's nuclear...And its bad!"

We Whigs support nuclear power.

2006-09-09 23:09:59
477.   Bob Timmermann
I knew someone who was recently prescribed thalidomide.

It came with a lot of warnings on the bottle.

2006-09-09 23:13:52
478.   Greg Brock
477 People are still given thalidomide? I had no idea.

Hey Bob, how about those Bruins?

{sticks head in oven}

2006-09-09 23:17:32
479.   Greg Brock
On the bright side, since no poll voters watch west coast night games, we'll probably move into the top 25!
2006-09-09 23:21:09
480.   Bob Timmermann
Thalidomide is a treatment for Hansen's Disease.

The person I met who was taking was an older man with cancer of some type.

2006-09-09 23:30:52
481.   Greg Brock
So if the Dodgers don't play well tomorrow, is it because they're listless? Do they lack the will to win? Or is it some massive thalidomide conspiracy?
2006-09-09 23:36:42
482.   Greg Brock
Bob, were you at the Rose Bowl tonight?
2006-09-10 00:08:03
483.   Bob Timmermann
I was indeed at the home of the Grandaddy of Them All with 45,000 mostly unethusiastic fans.

But I didn't think the game was all that bad. I was hoping that Justin Medlock would get a chance to tie John Lee's record for field goals in one game. But he finished two short.

2006-09-10 00:20:24
484.   Chiron Brown
481 It will be because their manager has the hottest hitter on the team sac bunt with two on and no outs.
2006-09-10 01:19:31
485.   xaphor
476 The biggest environmental impact nuclear power has (besides finding permanent storage for the waste) is the pollution given off in the mining and enrichment of the uranium. Both can be quite substantial with tons of earth mined for a relatively small quantity of uranium. But these processes usually occur in far away places we don't have to concern ourselves with. It follows that you will get the race card drawn as well with most uranium coming from underdeveloped countries or, as in Australia, aboriginal lands.

Still, nuclear is far better on the current environment than fossil fuels, but those cooling towers instill a fear of imminent death in your ordinary folk which has proven hard to shake.

2006-09-10 06:44:43
486.   Sam DC
The Post reports that the Nationals pitching staff (apparently not Frank) has institued a set of fines for poor performance. Walking the leadoff man - $25. Allowing him to come around and score -- $50. The other fines are not listed. Unclear if there is a fine for listlessness. Or just being a bad pitcher.

Maybe Kasten ought to take this approach with Jim Bowden. Trading for an outfielder with a career OPS of less than .650 -- $25. Sening one of your top three hitters to the minors in favor of said outfielder - $50. Not sure what the fine for getting arrested should be.

2006-09-10 09:14:34
487.   das411
Do they have a fine for being over 6'10"?

And is the highest fine possible being traded to the Reds?

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