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Nomar No More?
2006-09-10 09:00
by Jon Weisman

Remember that big, multiyear contract that Nomar Garciaparra had played himself into. It's looking more and more like a fairy tale.

As many of you know, Garciaparra has slumped since the All-Star break: .276 on-base percentage, .350 slugging percentage, .626 OPS. Those are numbers that make you think of Cesar Izturis (in fact, Izturis has an OPS of .623 for the season) - which makes them completely inadequate for Garciaparra's role as a first baseman.

Garciaparra may be battling injuries, a slump, an ancient curse - it doesn't really matter. The story of his comeback season has downshifted - he is once again a player, however enticing, who can't be counted on for a full season of high-caliber production. His overall 2006 OPS of .875 is fine, and he might still be able to hit at times like he did before the 2006 All-Star Game, but he's about as risky to invest in as he was in the 2005-2006 offseason. He has ended up being good, but not great ... healthyish, but not healthy.

Less than two months ago, it appeared that Garciaparra had either priced himself out of the Dodgers' future plans or would grab a big chunk of salary to remain. Barring a heroic finish to the season, Garciaparra now stands to merely attract another one-year contract with incentives or a two-year deal at affordable rates. A three-year deal would seem out of the question.

Does that make Garciaparra more likely to remain a Dodger in 2007? On the one hand, he's more affordable; on the other, James Loney becomes a more viable alternative at first base, leaving the Dodgers to invest capital elsewhere.

The best chance that Garciaparra has of increasing his value the Dodgers - or any team - is to show the willingness to play more than one position. At first base alone, Garciaparra is a risk, but if he could play first, second, third, short and left, then there might more motivation to pay him according to his reputation. A more athletic Olmedo Saenz wouldn't be a bad thing to have.

But Garciaparra doesn't strike you as the kind of guy who wants to move around the diamond, does he?

Given that the Dodgers have young talent at first and third base, and have already committed to overpaying for aging skills at second base in Jeff Kent, I'll speculate that if Garciaparra doesn't start hitting in the next three weeks, he'll end up as a second baseman for some other team in 2007.

* * *

Dodger public relations director Josh Rawitch hangs Tony Jackson of the Daily News out to dry. How will Jackson avenge?

* * *

Today's Game

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2006-09-10 09:16:06
1.   Eric Enders
That's a hilarious photo. I like the look Grady is giving Gurnick -- "If I wanted to, I could step on you and squish you like a bug."


"The best chance that Garciaparra has of increasing his value the Dodgers - or any team - is to show the willingness to play more than one position."

There's that, certainly, but I'd argue that his best chance to increase his value to another team is to catch fire in the postseason like Beltran did. Teams may think playing multiple positions would make him more injury prone anyway.

2006-09-10 09:31:03
2.   Jon Weisman
1 - Yes, you're obviously right. I covered that in "Barring a heroic finish ..." but I should have written that part you quoted better.
2006-09-10 09:31:27
3.   Robert Daeley
What Eric said, plus it's important not to underestimate both the local and national PR and publicity value of having Nomar on the team, in whatever position.
2006-09-10 09:33:37
4.   Jon Weisman
I think the PR value of Nomar has gone down with his slump - there's a lag but the decline is there.
2006-09-10 09:36:02
5.   regfairfield
So, Marlon Anderson's starting...again. Anyone know why this is?
2006-09-10 09:39:18
6.   Eric Enders
In a way this slump may benefit the Dodgers, because it's made it clear to the casual fan that Nomar is mortal. It gives Colletti a plausible defense for letting Nomar go and playing Loney at first if in fact he decides to go that route. Now at least letting Nomar sign elsewhere won't start some kind of media feeding frenzy like the LoDuca trade did.

When do we find out about compensation picks? Given the existence of Logan White, that's a huge part of this equation.

2006-09-10 09:40:24
7.   Bob Timmermann
Anderson is 12 for 31 in his career against Trachsel.

Lofton is 11 for 23.

According to Yahoo's site, Nomar has never faced Trachsel.

2006-09-10 09:41:20
8.   Norm
The question should no longer be whether or not Nomar gets re-signed for next year. The question now should be whether our chances of playing in the post-season are better with Nomar playing every day, or with a Nomar/Loney platoon.
2006-09-10 09:45:47
9.   confucius
"have already committed to overpaying for aging skills at second base in Jeff Kent"

I think this is the biggest component to Nomar not being re-signed.

And really, even with the slump I'd rather have Nomar around to play second or first next year than Kent.

2006-09-10 09:49:02
10.   Eric Enders
I still hold out hope that we can dump Kent on some rich team that needs a second baseman.

You listening, Theo?

2006-09-10 09:49:14
11.   CanuckDodger
Compensation picks for Nomar? Nomar's decline has been so dramatic that I no longer feel comfortable with the idea of the Dodgers offering Nomar arbitration -- because I fear he would accept it. The James Loney era in L.A. can't begin soon enough.
2006-09-10 09:51:23
12.   Eric Enders
I think it's an acceptable risk. If he accepts arbitration, fine. We get him for another year and we have Loney to keep him fresh and serve as a platoon partner. Having Nomar for one more year -- as the worst case scenario in a move that would otherwise net us two picks -- is fine with me.
2006-09-10 09:53:25
13.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
RE: 9

Considering their recent track records, I'd still rather have Kent than Nomar, even with the admitted injury risk that comes with Kent. Besides, with Betemit capable of playing 2B, I think we can afford to have Kent around. But having two injury prone, expensive, and aging IFs is probably not such a great idea, which is why I agree that we should let Nomah walk. But one is alright. Besides, Kent can still hit when he plays. Among NL 2B with at least 100 ABs, he's still 5th in the league in OPS.


2006-09-10 09:55:44
14.   Greg Brock
I had no idea that re-signing Nomar was even a thought at this point. I sure hope it isn't. I like Nomar, but the team doesn't need him. Loney can only put up numbers in the minors for so long. You have to give the kid his shot at first.
2006-09-10 09:56:59
15.   confucius
Is Laroche expected to make the club out of spring training next year?

The Dodgers will be going into spring training with 5 starting infielders in Furcal, Betemit, Loney, Kent and Laroche.
My guess is that if Loney faulters Kent plays first and Betemit plays second while Laroche remains at third. If Laroche faulters Betemit plays third while Kent and Loney play second and first respectively.

2006-09-10 10:00:19
16.   King of the Hobos
If he accepts arbitration, then we have him for a year at $10 mil or so, that wouldn't be the worse thing possible. However, a free agent that accepts arbitration is eligible to be traded (like Graffanino this last offseason), and I'm sure Nomar would have decent trade value, even with the slump, assuming he's signed to a one year deal.
2006-09-10 10:00:21
17.   regfairfield
7 Never mind the fact that 31 at bats is a small sample size, is it really that special if someone can stick Trachsel?

I'm just glad there's a justification for it, at least.

2006-09-10 10:02:05
18.   confucius
A Nomar/Loney platoon seems like a bad idea because of what we would have to pay Nomar to play only against lefties. That's at least 7 million to a guy who would start once or twice a week. If they want to platoon with Loney they should do it with saenz.
2006-09-10 10:02:24
19.   50 years a Dodger Fan
12 Is arbitration limited to salary? Could we not also bring alternate positions into it? If we made it clear before arbitration that we intended to use him at First, Second, Third, and Left Field, he probably wouldn't accept arbitration and we would get our draft picks.
2006-09-10 10:05:58
20.   confucius
18 Was me just thinking out loud, by the way. No one said the Dodgers should platoon those two.
2006-09-10 10:06:03
21.   Eric Enders
19 Exactly. We'd have the same leverage in offering Lugo arbitration -- accept it, and you might not play where you want to.
2006-09-10 10:08:33
22.   Eric Enders
20 I did suggest that in 12. But nobody said it had to be a strict platoon. In that situation I'd expect Nomar to play more than half the time even though he'd be the RH half of the platoon.
2006-09-10 10:08:49
23.   50 years a Dodger Fan
18 Where do you get $7M? Aren't we paying him $6M plus whatever incentive he wins? Right now he's getting $20,000 per at bat (Increments od $500,000 for each 25 PAs). So wouldn't his salary be considered $6M in respect to how much it could be cut?
2006-09-10 10:12:04
24.   Bob Timmermann
Didn't someone tell Willie Randolph that David Wright looks tired? He needs rest to. He's looking quite piqued.
2006-09-10 10:12:44
25.   Eric Enders
Is that Lo Duca behind the plate? Gameday says he's playing but the Mets announcers say he's not.
2006-09-10 10:14:45
26.   Marty
It's fine to honor NY firemen, but those FDNY caps look goofy on a baseball team. It makes me want to look for the beer keg.
2006-09-10 10:15:53
27.   Greg Brock
It makes me want to look for the beer keg.

And that's a bad thing because...

2006-09-10 10:19:32
28.   Bob Timmermann
Marlins already lead 1-0.
2006-09-10 10:22:24
29.   scareduck
Have I missed the seven-run first inning yet?
2006-09-10 10:23:05
30.   Bob Timmermann
Checking the RIOT number site, I see that the Dodgers actual magic number for clinching the West is 19, not 20. If the Dodgers were to go 19-1 down the stretch, they would have to beat San Diego at least three times.
So the Dodgers would end up 94-68. The Padres would finish 93-69.

We can all rest easier now.

2006-09-10 10:24:46
31.   Eric Enders
Two catchers go down on one swing. Wow.
2006-09-10 10:25:28
32.   scareduck
Wow, an unexpected zero frame by Stults. Nice.
2006-09-10 10:28:41
33.   Eric Enders
I expected it. He does throw with the left appendage, after all.
2006-09-10 10:31:53
34.   scareduck
33 - Cool. What's the final score gonna be?
2006-09-10 10:34:16
35.   Bob Timmermann
Eric will only give predictions in verse. Sort of like Nostradamus. And he'll make them vague so they can be interpreted to mean anything.

Coming from the East
A man with a ball
Downs the beast

There you have it!

2006-09-10 10:37:36
36.   CanuckDodger
32 -- I noticed you have been scoffing at Stults on your blog. I am not saying I would be astonished if Stults had a bad game today, his decent first inning notwithstanding, but your holding his Triple A record up to ridicule was out of line. You followed the 51's game by game this year. In Stults' last 11 Triple A starts, his ERA was 2.98, and in his last two starts he K'd 20 batters and walked two over 13.1 innings. None of that guaranteed MLB success, of course. I'm just saying it warranted better than a blogger's scorn.
2006-09-10 10:37:40
37.   Greg Brock
35 I think Bob just predicted the end times.
2006-09-10 10:38:58
38.   Bob Timmermann

Either that or something to do with Hitler, Stalin, Osama bin Laden, the Federal Reserve, or the Freemasons.

2006-09-10 10:40:16
39.   Eric Enders
portside swingers flail
stultz throwing morning napalm
smells like victory
2006-09-10 10:40:28
40.   Linkmeister
33 You mean like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? "Blessed with his noodly appendage?"
2006-09-10 10:42:10
41.   Marty
I'm a proud owner of a "Flying Spaghetti Monster" t-shirt
2006-09-10 10:42:38
42.   Greg Brock
Oooooooh, a prediction in Haiku form.

And a victory, no less.

2006-09-10 10:42:53
43.   Linkmeister
41 If I didn't have two drawersful of T-shirts...
2006-09-10 10:44:28
44.   Uncle Miltie
Any reason why Ethier isn't playing and Anderson is?

I think it would have made sense to play Loney today instead of Nomar.

2006-09-10 10:44:34
45.   natepurcell
i always thought tony jackson was black...kind of like, you know, tom jackson the football guy.
2006-09-10 10:45:51
46.   Greg Brock
45 So did I. Tony Jackson is officially a member of the Reggie Cleveland all stars.
2006-09-10 10:45:52
47.   regfairfield
Hey, Steve Traschel pitches slowly.
2006-09-10 10:46:19
48.   Bob Timmermann
Black baseball beat writers are not very common.
2006-09-10 10:48:27
49.   Bob Timmermann
More precisely, black sportswriters for major newspapers are relatively rare. You may think there are more than there really are because the few African-American columnists have fairly high-profile jobs (e.g. Michael Wilbon, Steven A. Smith.)
2006-09-10 10:48:54
50.   Eric Enders
46 Whenever I've talked up Ethier to my East Coast-centric baseball friends who don't pay attention to the Dodgers, they always ask what country he's from and are shocked to hear "Phoenix."

The Reggie Cleveland all-stars also include Lew Ford and Reggie Abercrombie. The captain is Khalil Greene, of course.

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2006-09-10 10:49:39
51.   Uncle Miltie
45- a new picture for my dart board; it'll replace the one of Paris Hilton
46- Jason Reid is, but I don't think he is covering any particular team right now
2006-09-10 10:50:09
52.   scareduck
36 - Ah, CanuckDodger, for whom any skepticism of Dodger prospects is unwarranted. Some things never change. Congratulations, he had a good stretch. He also had a 4.23 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP facing AAA batters. I'm not going to get into a war of words with you here, but suffice to say I strongly object to your imperious tone here, and your attitude that brooks no dissent from your opinion of Dodger minor leaguers.
2006-09-10 10:51:17
53.   Linkmeister
Er, define Reggie Cleveland all-stars, please? Guys whose names sound black but who ain't?
2006-09-10 10:51:33
54.   Bob Timmermann
The LA Times also has JA Adande and Lonnie White and Mike Terry.
2006-09-10 10:51:38
55.   Greg Brock
50 Don't forget LaMarr Hoyt.
2006-09-10 10:52:31
56.   Bob Timmermann

Yes, you've got it. The Angels have two players whose names defy stereotypes: Howie Kendrick and Reggie Willits.

Being named Reggie helps.

2006-09-10 10:52:48
57.   Greg Brock
53 I covers all names that seem incongruous with their particular geneology.
2006-09-10 10:54:18
58.   Bob Timmermann
An Alfredo Griffin special!
2006-09-10 10:54:31
59.   Eric Enders
Oh my God! Kenny killed them!
2006-09-10 10:54:33
60.   scareduck
Woot! Man, I was sure Lofton was gonna GIDP in that one.
2006-09-10 10:54:48
61.   Uncle Miltie
Jason Kendall has looked like Pudge throwing-wise this year. Huge turnaround for Kendall. He's also hitting a lot better this year, albeit for no power.
2006-09-10 10:55:24
62.   Uncle Miltie
I approve of Lofty's bases clearing triple
2006-09-10 10:57:18
63.   Robert Daeley
4 Maybe for the more-informed fan, but for the casual fan, he's still Nomar.
2006-09-10 10:57:43
64.   Eric Enders
Nomar says "Loney who?"
2006-09-10 10:57:57
65.   scareduck
Yay! Nomar some more!
2006-09-10 10:58:18
66.   Sam DC
Boy, these Mets better start trying.
2006-09-10 10:58:35
67.   natepurcell
Vishal and I use to think TJ simers was black and looked like David Aldridge.
2006-09-10 10:58:42
68.   Eric Enders
Mets Trivia: Who has played the most games at SS for the Mets?
2006-09-10 10:58:45
69.   Bob Timmermann
"Trachsel has gotten some instant therapy from his pitching coach Rick Peterson."

What sort of approach does Peterson use? Jungian, gestalt, primal scream?

2006-09-10 10:59:09
70.   Bob Timmermann

Bud Harrelson?

2006-09-10 10:59:17
71.   Eric Enders
Gotta be Harrelson, right?
2006-09-10 10:59:30
72.   Greg Brock
68 Kevin Elster?
2006-09-10 10:59:59
73.   Greg Brock
69 Electro-shock?
2006-09-10 11:00:11
74.   Linkmeister
56 Wasn't so long ago that Reginald umpty-fratz the Third was indicative of WASP-y Ivy League background; there have probably been lengthy studies of how names have been adopted by other groups.
2006-09-10 11:00:28
75.   Eric Enders
You'd think that would be too easy a question to ask a TV audience of Mets fans.
2006-09-10 11:00:35
76.   Bob Timmermann
Harrelson played 1280 games at SS for the Mets by my count.
2006-09-10 11:03:09
77.   Eric Enders
76 1281 by BB-Ref's count. Either way it's him.
2006-09-10 11:03:21
78.   Gen3Blue
69 I'm OK: Your OK I think.
2006-09-10 11:04:22
79.   Gen3Blue
Nice year at bat for K-loft.
2006-09-10 11:04:28
80.   Bob Timmermann

There's a chapter about first names in "Freakonomics". The use another economist's study. The working theory is that the upper classes try to find unique names for their children. Eventually, people from the middle and lower classes start to adopt them. This causes the upper class people to try to find a new first name to give their children.

Two names that used to be associated with upper crust society were Tiffany and Brittany. They aren't now.

Eventually, we will all start naming our kids Apple and Moses.

2006-09-10 11:05:18
81.   Benaiah
74 - In Freakonomics there is a chapter on names and how they have an affect on the named person's life. The gist of it is that names do have a correlation with education and income, but largely because people with more education and income are more likely to use certain names than most. However, over time the names filter down and other people begin to use them, though usually that just means that the upper crust moves on to new names.
2006-09-10 11:05:19
82.   Bob Timmermann
Can you get a Bronx cheer in Queens?
2006-09-10 11:05:49
83.   scareduck
Steve Trachsel needs a new axle.
2006-09-10 11:06:15
84.   Bob Timmermann
80 81

Where's D4P to chime in on this now?

2006-09-10 11:07:15
85.   Benaiah
wow... I don't know whether to be upset that I got beat or to be flattered, since great minds think alike and I would be in excellent company.
2006-09-10 11:07:16
86.   Eric Enders
82 It's more of a flushing sound.
2006-09-10 11:07:17
87.   Uncle Miltie
Grits better not bring in Lugo here
2006-09-10 11:07:20
88.   Greg Brock
I believe Peterson follows the therapudic beliefs of Dr. Tobias Funke, a self styled analyst-therapist.

There is a shortened version of analyst-therapist, but I can't say it here.

2006-09-10 11:07:41
89.   Bob Timmermann
The Sporting News record book is silent on whether or not there have been two bases-loaded triples in an inning. I'm inclined to think that it hasn't happened.
2006-09-10 11:07:42
90.   scareduck
69 - at the rate Trachsel is going, it'll be transactional analysis. "Son, we're trading you to Pittsburgh..."
2006-09-10 11:08:54
91.   Bob Timmermann

"Freakonomics" is one of the few popular books in the section of the library I work in that aren't written by The Riddler (aka Matthew Lesko) or Robert Kiyosaki.

2006-09-10 11:09:27
92.   Linkmeister
89 If I were a hot-shot sports book guy in Vegas I'd be writing odds against it.
2006-09-10 11:09:45
93.   Eric Enders
Well that hurts
2006-09-10 11:10:08
94.   Linkmeister
91 What section might that be?
2006-09-10 11:10:50
95.   Benaiah
It is a fun book for sure. That and the two books by... his name escapes me, Blink and the Tipping Point are smart books that anyone can understand.
2006-09-10 11:11:21
96.   Bob Timmermann
How long did that half-inning take?
2006-09-10 11:11:27
97.   Eric Enders
From wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth:

"On May 1, 1949, Valo became the first player in the American League to hit two bases-loaded triples in a game. He added a third bases-loaded triple in the same season, to tie the mark set by Shano Collins in 1918. Years later, the mark of two bases-loaded triples in a game has been matched only by Bill Bruton (NL, 1979) and Duane Kuiper (AL, 1978)."

2006-09-10 11:13:46
98.   Bob Timmermann
Malcolm Gladwell is the guy you're thinking of.

Gladwell's books don't end up in my section. Books about studying for the real estate license exam are also popular. As are books on non-profit accounting.

I've never quite figured out the last one.

2006-09-10 11:14:27
99.   natepurcell
stults is getting it up to 92mph. pretty good for a lefty.
2006-09-10 11:14:59
100.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh September baseball. LOOGYs brought in to pitch in the third!
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2006-09-10 11:15:25
101.   Gen3Blue
90 Thats good.
2006-09-10 11:15:31
102.   Bob Timmermann
Hong-Chih Kuo isn't impressed by 92 mph.
2006-09-10 11:15:32
103.   Benaiah
Freakonomics was really controversial as I remember because its first assertion is that legalized abortion led to a drop in crime. An assertion that is controversial to say the least.
2006-09-10 11:16:39
104.   confucius
23 You're right 6 million.
2006-09-10 11:17:04
105.   Bob Timmermann
Abortion is a controversial topic? I thought everybody agreed on that issue.
2006-09-10 11:17:25
106.   Eric Enders
Speaking of Kuo, does anyone with knowledge of Taiwanese names know why that group of Taiwanese fans the other night spelled his name "Hong-Chin Kuo" on their banner in the stands? Do they know something we don't?
2006-09-10 11:18:01
107.   Marty
I'm sure it led to a drop in criminal abortions.
2006-09-10 11:18:30
108.   confucius
99 And he is commanding it pretty well.
2006-09-10 11:18:40
109.   Bob Timmermann
Hayden Penn of Baltimore has given up 5 runs in 2 1/3 IP. His ERA has gone down from 108 to 39.
2006-09-10 11:18:59
110.   Greg Brock
107 Well played.
2006-09-10 11:20:22
111.   confucius
105 Sometimes I wish I could go back to high school simply to get the oppurtunuty to right a persuasive essay once a year on Abortion.
2006-09-10 11:20:34
112.   Gen3Blue
Here is a place I have accused the D's of falling asleep before. We have our lead and don't need to do anything is not appropriate at this point.
2006-09-10 11:21:22
113.   confucius
111 That would be "write" and now you know how well I did on those essays.
2006-09-10 11:21:47
114.   Gen3Blue
Damn' I thought that was fair untill the replay. Martins not asleep!
2006-09-10 11:22:57
115.   Bob Timmermann

If you drop "Hong-Chin Kuo" in to Google, you will get a lot of hits. I'm guessing that's it's just another type of transliteration.

I wouldn't be surprised since it seems that few people come close to pronouncing his name correctly over here in the U.S. When I asked someone from Taiwan how to pronounce "Kuo" she replied with a sound that I don't think I can duplicate.

2006-09-10 11:23:48
116.   confucius
Not enough h&s on that throw by Lo Duca.
2006-09-10 11:24:30
117.   JoeyP
The Mets appear vulnerable to left handed starters. They've been shut out by Chuck James, Kuo, and Stults just this week.
2006-09-10 11:25:47
118.   Eric Enders
The Mets are more than vulnerable, they're atrocious against lefties. It's been a sore spot with their fans all year long. Even their switch hitters like Valentin and Beltran have bad splits against lefties.
2006-09-10 11:26:05
119.   confucius
117 Just wait 'til we throw Derek Thompson at them next year.
2006-09-10 11:26:06
120.   Greg Brock
Run run run.
2006-09-10 11:26:20
121.   Eric Enders
Steal third Raffy.
2006-09-10 11:26:33
122.   Bob Timmermann
Well, we all knew that Valentin was bad against lefties.
2006-09-10 11:28:52
123.   Gen3Blue
Wind blowing out, Kenny has two dingers on top of his triple.
2006-09-10 11:28:58
124.   nick
Nice to see you guys treating Trachsel like the kind of pitcher that he is.....
PS--I take no joy in sauntering over from Bronx Banter and pointing out that Bob might want to reconsider his choice of adjectives in 24...none whatsoever....:)
2006-09-10 11:29:10
125.   confucius
Lofton has drilled the ball three times this game but only has one hit.
2006-09-10 11:29:47
126.   Gen3Blue
Where the heck is Derek Thompson?
2006-09-10 11:30:09
127.   Bob Timmermann

No I was using that word for effect.

2006-09-10 11:30:27
128.   Eric Enders
Meeting with his probation officer?
2006-09-10 11:31:15
129.   confucius
126 He's working at the Auto Zone right by my house.
2006-09-10 11:31:29
130.   Bob Timmermann
Derek Thompson was both injured and later put on suspended for his various "incidents."
2006-09-10 11:33:10
131.   Greg Brock
Apparently, two brothers are playing a football game tonight. Why have I not heard of this sooner?
2006-09-10 11:34:14
132.   Eric Enders
Mets are 4-10 after the A-S break against lefty starters, the announcers just said.
2006-09-10 11:35:02
133.   confucius
131 :)
2006-09-10 11:35:27
134.   Bob Timmermann

I'll drive down to my brother's house tonight and toss the pigskin around with him.

2006-09-10 11:37:30
135.   Uncle Miltie
One of my roommates is very strange. He puts plastic disposable utensils in the dishwasher! We have plenty of metal utensils.
2006-09-10 11:39:39
136.   RELX
There is only one true way to find out if the Mets are really vunerable to LH pitching--put in Mark Hendrickson!
2006-09-10 11:40:35
137.   scareduck
135 - I wash my plastic utensils that I take to the office with me. If they break, they break, but why spend money on stuff you don't need to throw away?
2006-09-10 11:41:08
138.   Greg Brock
The Buffalo Bills are leading the Pats 17-7.

The Los Angeles game has not started yet. It may be a one o'clock start. I'm not sure.

2006-09-10 11:41:12
139.   RELX
If Dodgers can hold on today, they will be 2-0 when a rookie lefty AND Marlon Anderson start.
2006-09-10 11:41:51
140.   Eric Enders
The Dodgers are so bizarre with their triples this year.
2006-09-10 11:42:04
141.   Gen3Blue
Kent--you animal.
2006-09-10 11:42:12
142.   RELX
The triples are wild today!
2006-09-10 11:42:38
143.   Bob Timmermann
The LA game is blacked out. You'll have to drive to Palm Springs to watch it.
2006-09-10 11:44:18
144.   scareduck
Wow, a Jeff Kent triple. In Atlanta, Jeff Francouer blows a sliding catch of a Henry Blanco single and Blanco gets his tenth career triple.

I think Blanco's was more unlikely.

2006-09-10 11:45:21
145.   mikethinksblue
143 I put 50 bucks on the LA football team this week, and I don't even get to watch them on TV?
2006-09-10 11:45:25
146.   RELX
144. Kent does have 3 triples this year.
2006-09-10 11:45:42
147.   Greg Brock
At least I had Bill Plaschke tell me we don't need a team...For the eightieth time.

At least every opening day, he writes a similar article. Dwyre doesn't notice because he's usually asleep or playing golf.

2006-09-10 11:46:18
148.   natepurcell
steven jackson needs to score some touchdowns.
2006-09-10 11:47:34
149.   Bob Timmermann
Is anyone old enough to remember when TV Guide would publish the rosters of the two football teams that were being shown in a particular game?

They would print the rosters for a Rams home game and then you would look up in the corner and see that the game was only being televised on a Palm Springs station. That always irked me.

The Super Bowl was blacked out in its host city until Super Bowl VII at the Coliseum.

2006-09-10 11:48:17
150.   Uncle Miltie
137- but these are the cheap ones that you would find at McDonalds. He also only uses them in the house. I guess whenever he goes out to eat, he saves the plastic utensils and brings them home.
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2006-09-10 11:48:19
151.   Bob Timmermann
If Randy Harvey notices, that would make more of a difference.
2006-09-10 11:48:25
152.   Greg Brock
I hope Jon adds a "no fantasy football talk" rule.
2006-09-10 11:49:32
153.   mikethinksblue

I'm probably old enough, but I don't remember.

2006-09-10 11:49:51
154.   Greg Brock
151 Good point.

{Walks into sliding glass door}

2006-09-10 11:50:15
155.   scareduck
152 - seconded.
2006-09-10 11:50:48
156.   Bob Timmermann
I guess reading TV Guide wasn't as important to your formative years as it was to me.
2006-09-10 11:51:15
157.   Eric Enders
152 concur.
2006-09-10 11:51:42
158.   mikethinksblue

I mostly did the crossword puzzles on the back page, which made me feel smart.

2006-09-10 11:52:15
159.   regfairfield
Stults has been great so far, but I really hope he doesn't have to start again.
2006-09-10 11:52:17
160.   natepurcell
ok fine.
2006-09-10 11:52:42
161.   Mark Joseph
152, 155

I hope he makes it a no football and no basketball rule, period.

2006-09-10 11:53:03
162.   scareduck
156 - I'm probably old enough, but we never subscribed.
2006-09-10 11:53:08
163.   Greg Brock
160 Were you planning on talking fantasy football? Sorry about that.
2006-09-10 11:53:34
164.   scooplew
140 The Dodgers lead the NL with 50 triples, including their two today. The club record in L.A. is 67, set in 1970. The individual record by an L.A. Dodger is 16, by Willie Davis in 1970. Lofton now has 10.
2006-09-10 11:55:46
165.   Greg S
Can those of you who closely follow the prospects explain why we shouldn't be more excited about Stults' start today?
2006-09-10 11:55:49
166.   scareduck
That's funny. Eric Stults, .500 career hitter.
2006-09-10 11:56:02
167.   scooplew
Addendum: The Dodgers actually lead the majors in triples.
2006-09-10 11:56:27
168.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think we should try to impose a "no fantasy football talk" rule until it is appropriately vetted by the Dodger Thoughts Ways and Means Committee and then the Rules Committee.

Then we need to have three readings of the measure and eventually have the bill passed on to Jon for his approval.

2006-09-10 11:57:38
169.   regfairfield
165 At least today, he only has one strikeout, has had a lot of long outs, and got some timely double plays.
2006-09-10 11:57:41
170.   natepurcell
Can those of you who closely follow the prospects explain why we shouldn't be more excited about Stults' start today?

well hes 26 and didnt k alot of batters in the minors.

I mean, he doesnt have the top end cieling of a billingsley, kuo, kershaw, elbert etc, but he could be a cheap 4-5 starter.

2006-09-10 11:57:59
171.   RELX
165. Because he is more committed to his acting career than he is to baseball.
2006-09-10 11:58:02
172.   scareduck

1) The Mets are atrocious at hitting lefty pitchers.
2) 1.44 WHIP in AAA. Given a tour of the league, he'll eventually get eaten up, or at least that's the fear.

"As Kenny Lofton flies out, one out and nobody on." Uh, Charlie... ???

2006-09-10 11:59:12
173.   Greg Brock
168 You act as if this is some sort of democracy.

The Philosopher King will hear about this.

2006-09-10 11:59:52
174.   Eric Enders
Nomar mocks Jon.
2006-09-10 12:00:10
175.   Bob Timmermann
Despite Stults's non-prospect status, we're not throwing this one back.
2006-09-10 12:00:17
176.   regfairfield
170 The only problem with that is the only way a spot will open up for him is if someone gets hurt.

I can see him as an okay reliever/mop up man, however.

2006-09-10 12:00:23
177.   scareduck
Did Nomar read Jon today?
2006-09-10 12:00:23
178.   mikethinksblue
Perhaps Nomar read today's DT headline
2006-09-10 12:01:01
179.   Mark Joseph

Would be 1.000 if he had gotten that bunt down his first time up.

2006-09-10 12:01:02
180.   Gen3Blue
I make no promise, but that should about do it.
2006-09-10 12:01:10
181.   natepurcell
nomar has to walk that fine line of doing good enough that the dodgers feel comfortable offering arbitration to get the draft picks and not doing great enough so the dodgers dont have to feel the media pressure of signing him back.
2006-09-10 12:01:14
182.   Linkmeister
I think somebody pointed out Jon's post to Nomar. Does Mia read DT?
2006-09-10 12:01:46
183.   RELX
Next, Jon has to write a piece about how the Dodgers should DFA Mark Hendrickson.
2006-09-10 12:02:15
184.   scareduck
181 - no draft picks for free agents anymore.
2006-09-10 12:02:42
185.   Marty
This thread is screaming for D4P. I suspect he's in Redding.
2006-09-10 12:02:52
186.   Greg Brock
Somebody needs to poke Tommy with a stick, or put mirror under his nose.
2006-09-10 12:02:59
187.   Eric Enders
184 that's far from certain.
2006-09-10 12:03:07
188.   regfairfield
184 Is that actually a fact now? There's no way they'd change that rule in the middle of the season.
2006-09-10 12:03:30
189.   Uncle Miltie
Everytime in September where I said Loney should play instead of Nomar, Nomar had a 4+ RBI game.
2006-09-10 12:03:42
190.   natepurcell
to be fair to stults, he had a really good homerun rate considering context of the league and home park.
2006-09-10 12:03:48
191.   Greg S
Thanks for all of those answers. I accept and understand the reasons regarding his age and minor league tendencies. But I don't agree that this game has been anything short of highy impressive. He sure looks like a legitimate pitcher to me. Good stuff, good command and he appears confident in a huge game against the best team in the league.
2006-09-10 12:04:17
192.   regfairfield
Warning: Charley has just put the game in the refrigerator. I can't imagine the baseball gods like that.
2006-09-10 12:04:43
193.   CanuckDodger
165 -- We absolutely SHOULD be excited about Eric Stults' start today. Aside from his recent performance in Triple A, which I mentioned earlier in the thread, Stults has nice velocity on his fastball for a southpaw. He was touted as a legit sleeper prospect after his first couple of months in the pros, back in 2002, but much as happened with Kuo, Tommy John surgery took Stults out of action and he soon became an afterthought in a very deep farm system.
2006-09-10 12:05:27
194.   Greg Brock
192 Don't let Bob catch you referring to the baseball gods.

He may call you Gregg Easterbrook, the deepest cut of all.

2006-09-10 12:05:28
195.   Mark Joseph

OK, what should be done if we end up playing the Mets in the post-season, given that in ordinary circumstances our first 3 would be Lowe, Maddux, Penny, all of the right-handed persuasion? Do we give Kuo a start? Will Kuo even be on the post-season roster?

2006-09-10 12:06:14
196.   Uncle Miltie
Furcal is .001 away from matching Lugo's OPS this year. Will Furcal top the .800 OPS mark by the end of the year?
2006-09-10 12:08:15
197.   scareduck
188 - unless Maury Brown's report is wrong.

2006-09-10 12:08:29
198.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going to start posting gratuitous links to NFL cheerleaders on the Griddle as part of my Easterbrook homage.
2006-09-10 12:08:47
199.   Mark Joseph

Geez, the way he's been hitting, I thought he'd already gotten to .800. What is his OPS since May 1?

2006-09-10 12:09:03
200.   regfairfield
197 I intepreted that as it could happen, at some point in the indeterminate future.
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2006-09-10 12:09:07
201.   Bob Timmermann
MLB and MLBPA denied that report a few days later.
2006-09-10 12:10:45
202.   Louis in SF
While it is only 1.5 games and we are playing the Mets who are not very good against left handers and they have a large lead, the Dodgers have struggeeled all year for a consistent left hander/4 or 5 pitcher. Think about it Perez, Hendrickson Seo. Had we gone it the minors sooner for Stultz who was a more complete pitcher than Kuo (Kuo has the larger upside) wonder if we wouldn't have a few more wins.
2006-09-10 12:10:49
203.   regfairfield
Jose Reyes becoming a useful player is very upsetting to me.
2006-09-10 12:11:12
204.   natepurcell

useful player? hes becoming a star.

2006-09-10 12:12:07
205.   Greg Brock
As my buddy the Met fan just texted me, "Hey Steiner, why don't you guys beat the Padres once before you start popping champagne."

I concur...Charlie, calm down.

2006-09-10 12:13:22
206.   regfairfield
202 I doubt Stults would do much better than those guys if he pitched a few months. While his home run rate was nice, he wasn't really overpowering AAA batters.

There is a reason why very few people cared about this guy up until two weeks ago.

2006-09-10 12:14:13
207.   regfairfield
204 Yeah, but he was a lot more fun last year when he was below replacement level. So transitioning from that to star is rather unpleasant.
2006-09-10 12:14:47
208.   Linkmeister
198 Um, ok by me. Just leave out the Easterbrook references.

"The Griddle's Cheerleaders of the NFL!"

Then you could branch out to college cheerleaders once you've run through the NFL possibilities. I seem to remember there's at least one team which has no cheerleaders, strange as that may seem.

2006-09-10 12:14:49
209.   DodgerHobbit
Reyes is too much of a hotdog
2006-09-10 12:15:17
210.   Greg S
Despite the speculation that the new rule is having an immediate effect on trades, I read it as sounding almost impossible that the new rule could go into immediate effect.
First, it's still subject to collective bargaining (even if they had agreed in principle-which sounds like it is in doubt). Second, even if the do build it into an upcoming agreement, there is little reason to believe they would make it retroactive or even put it into effect immediately as opposed to grandfathering in transactions that happened before the agreement.
2006-09-10 12:15:56
211.   Uncle Miltie
Jose Reyes is looking like a 25 HR 60+ stolen base type of player. That's Carl Crawford good, but Reyes is a SS!

How many players have had a 25 HR 60 SB season? Eric Davis and Rickey Henderson immediately come to mind.

2006-09-10 12:16:40
212.   regfairfield
Darren Oliver: exhibit A in the "why you don't pay for relief" case.
2006-09-10 12:17:47
213.   Uncle Miltie
I should add that Reyes is having a better year than Crawford.
2006-09-10 12:18:45
214.   Gen3Blue
Rios is a classic D's type player, although he seems to have as much power as Lopes had at his peak in his early thirties. I'd love to have him.
Oliver has found something late in his career: he is allowing less than a hit an inning for the first time in at least ten years-much less.
2006-09-10 12:20:59
215.   regfairfield
214 Or he's another guy who's taking advantage of the inherent randomness of middle relief.
2006-09-10 12:22:52
216.   scareduck
206 - yeah. He kept the walks down, but he also didn't strike out a whole lot of guys (7.35 K/9).
2006-09-10 12:24:00
217.   CanuckDodger
206 -- Overpowering Triple A hitters is not a prerequisite for a pitcher to do well in the majors, but 54 K's in his last Triple A 60.1 innings, while keeping his ERA under 3.00 in a radical hitter's league and home park, is a portent for future MLB success if a pitcher has decent stuff.
2006-09-10 12:24:51
218.   scareduck
What part of the heart and soul centers of Lo Duca's brain got that strikeout?
2006-09-10 12:25:25
219.   Gen3Blue
I think it can affect the feel of a game when you change almost all the players at once, so I am against it. But I will shut up as long as he leaves Stultz in for a bit.
2006-09-10 12:25:56
220.   scareduck
217 - I like how you use small sample sizes to bolster a weak case. Wasn't Edwin Jackson enough of an example?
2006-09-10 12:26:36
221.   Uncle Miltie
A little help Bob on the 25 HR 60 SB seasons?

So far I have

Joe Morgan (73, 76)
Eric Davis (86)
Rickey Henderson (86, 90)

Ryne Sandberg came very close in 1985.

Cesar Cedeno came very close from 1972 to 1974.

2006-09-10 12:26:37
222.   Greg S
By the way, compensation for free agents was a huge point of contention when the rules of free agency were first negotiated/arbitrated in the 70's. It would be a gigantic victory for the players to get rid of it as it is a drag on salaries. I'm not sure how they could get rid of it without a substantial win of some kind for the owners.
2006-09-10 12:27:51
223.   Louis in SF
Any idea with a 9-1 lead we couldn't give the bullpen another inning of rest and lest Stultz pitch the 7th?
2006-09-10 12:31:07
224.   Greg Brock
Seriously, how many adults bring their glove to a baseball game? Anybody here?
2006-09-10 12:31:56
225.   scareduck
224 - I have if I'm sitting in a section where I might get foul balls.
2006-09-10 12:32:23
226.   natepurcell

canuck isnt saying stults is going to be a star but a good 4-5th starter for 300k is valuable. that means we donthave to trade valuable commodities like 22 yr old catchers for the mark hendricksons of the world. I dont see how his case is weak. Stults numbers in the PCL environment are good enough to suggest he can succeed in the majors.

2006-09-10 12:33:18
227.   Greg S
223 I think there are a lot of good reasons including the off day tomorrow and the fact that letting Stults' get out with a unblemisheed gem could have positive effects later. Perhaps Tommy John has something to say about it as well.
2006-09-10 12:34:12
228.   scareduck
Sweet called strike 3. Didn't think Dessens had it in him (and he almost didn't).
2006-09-10 12:39:45
229.   Louis in SF
Great point 226, had we been able to hold on to Navarro we might have been able to get something better at the deadline or more importantly for next year. Even if today's start is a 1 day wonder-beter today than a 4 inning mediocre start from Hendrickson.
2006-09-10 12:40:04
230.   ToyCannon
Eric Stults reminded me of Jim Abbott facially and just the way he looked on the mound. Impressive game no matter what his prospect level is.

I'd be more then happy to see Nomar increase his value this winter by having a torid stretch from here on out because the better he does the better chance we have of going deep into the playoffs. His bat has looked much more alive this past week and it wouldn't shock me at all if he does some damage from here on out. I get the feeling that Ned and friends are quite enamored with Loney so I don't think Nomar will be coming back next year no matter what happens the rest of the year. I'd say that Ned's one year deals for Nomar and Lofton have worked out very well provided they are not on the team in 2007.

2006-09-10 12:40:28
231.   Gen3Blue
Look at that Repko hustle. He's what to you call it. Plucky?
2006-09-10 12:40:44
232.   scareduck
226 - I'm not even talking star-level quality. I'm not ruling it out, but it seems to me it's more likely he's got a career as a AAAA type. His peripherals don't impress me, but I'll concede it's also possible Stults will keep the Dodgers from re-signing or trading for guys like Hendrickson.
2006-09-10 12:42:48
233.   Greg Brock
OK, I've finally got a handle on this football thing. Parker and Eric Manning both play the same position, and they're facing off tonight.

Man, I just can't believe this one slipped by me.

2006-09-10 12:43:06
234.   StolenMonkey86
looks like the Dodgers are having a good game today
2006-09-10 12:43:12
235.   Sam DC
only skimmed the comments. did anyone note the NY Times article about the guy who has caught/been given/grabbed 3,000 foul balls at stadiums. He runs from the left field to the right field bleachers depending on who'se batting and has a grapple to snag balls that get lost in places fans can't go.

On dishes, I had a roommate in college who just never did them. And we groused and kvetched and whatnot and he never did them. So, my normal roommates and I were going out of town one long weekend and this fellow was staying in the room, and we left a massive sinkfull of basically all our dishes in the sink with a stern "do these before we get back or else." We got back, he had thrown them all away.

That was when we realized he had problems beyond your normal "bad roommate" stuff.

Also, he had six toes on each foot. But the sixth was really very small.

2006-09-10 12:43:59
236.   scareduck
Speak of the Hendrickson and he appears.
2006-09-10 12:44:50
237.   CanuckDodger
220 -- Players in the minors are there to improve. If a player makes a change in his game that makes him a different player than the one he was before, then his previous stats are irrelevent. The player has to be judged by what he can do NOW and by what he can reasonably be foreseen to do in the future, and what a pitcher has done in his last 11 starts is a good indicator of current ability. Thanks for bringing up Edwin Jackson. He proves my point nicely. Jackson was fantastic in Double A at age 19, and beat Randy Johnson on his 20th birthday, but that nice performance record became meaningless when Jackson ceased to be the same pitcher who accomplished those feats.
2006-09-10 12:45:47
238.   ToyCannon
I always bring a glove if I'm sitting in an area where nasty line drives are part of the scene. Broken hands are not something I want to take home from the ballgame. Really don't care about catching the ball as any ball I get always goes to a kid but self defense is important to me. Sure I could just get out of the way but by doing so I could be causing damage to the fan behind me or to the side because they would lose sight of the ball which was aimed at me and my ducking could cause them to get smacked by it thus causing much pain. Much more simple to just catch the ball if one can. JMO
2006-09-10 12:46:07
239.   Bob Timmermann
Hendrickson facing Ledee was a collision of antimatter and feather pillow.
2006-09-10 12:46:43
240.   scareduck
237 - yes, he got worse once the league caught on to him. Exactly the same dynamic I expect will catch up to master Stults.
2006-09-10 12:47:14
241.   Bob Timmermann

And I like Japanese stadiums that have screens to keep you from getting clobbered by a baseball while you are trying to manipulate your chopsticks to eat out of your souvenir Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters bento box.

2006-09-10 12:47:30
242.   Sam DC
Oh my god. Nook Logan homered today.
2006-09-10 12:48:19
243.   natepurcell

thats not the reason why he got worse.

2006-09-10 12:48:23
244.   Gen3Blue
I'm beginning to feel this game isn't too good to be true.
2006-09-10 12:49:55
245.   Uncle Miltie
235- funny story. This guy doesn't do the dishes either; he just sticks his plastic utensils in the dishwasher. He rarely talks and spends most of his time in his room reading science fiction books. A few days ago, I brought a friend over and he didn't even say hello. He also hates LA even though he's never been there. Last weekend, we were playing beer pong in the living room with a mix of guys and girls and he basically locked himself in his room.
2006-09-10 12:53:22
246.   Greg Brock
245 Before I moved off base, I had a barracks mate in the Navy who would never do anything, and basically exhibited the most withdrawn behavior I had ever seen. One night, we said, "You're going out with us and having a good time, and you don't get to have an opinion on the matter." After much protesting, he went out, and had a blast. He was much more sociable after that.

Though hilarity ensued that night. But that's another story.

2006-09-10 12:54:43
247.   Benaiah
245 - I had a room mate like that too. Super sloppy and he always complained about how high school was better and college girls were stuck up, but if we ever had a party then he would stay in his room and talk to his friends from home on the internet. I think that it is a from of social anxiety disorder, if a guy hasn't gotten any play in recent memory it is just too much for him to deal with.
2006-09-10 12:56:22
248.   scareduck
235, 245 - a female friend of mine once told me she knew the guy she was dating was not going to work out when he moved without cleaning the dishes in the sink first.
2006-09-10 12:59:30
249.   Linkmeister
246 Another ex-Navy type? I moved out of the barracks after a year and into a little bitty ground-level apartment in Yokosuka. You could say I was withdrawing, I suppose. Those barracks had 3/4-high walls. You could hear everything going on on the entire 100-yard-long floor.
2006-09-10 13:01:12
250.   Bob Timmermann
The Twins are up 4-0 on the Tigers and threatening to pull within two games of the Bengals.
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2006-09-10 13:01:31
251.   mikethinksblue
I had a roommate in college who would go to sleep in the living room fully dressed (including shoes). He would set the alarm 5 minutes before the bus got to the stop, wake up, and instantly walk out the door to catch the bus. He too had other problems besides being a bad roommate.
2006-09-10 13:02:46
252.   Greg Brock
249 My barracks room consisted of brick walls painted beisch, a bathroom, and a set of two metal lockers to separate the room in half.

Needless to say, my stay in was short.

Nowadays, they build barracks like Holiday Inn rooms, with separate bedrooms and bathrooms, and a common kitchen for the two occupants. A KITCHEN!

2006-09-10 13:03:23
253.   Greg Brock
We win!
2006-09-10 13:03:42
254.   CanuckDodger
237 -- I suppose every young player up from the minors eventually gets figured out and has to go back to the minors -- oh, wait a second, if that were true there would be no major leaguers at all. Nobody "caught on" to Jackson. He lost his mechanics, he lost his command, he lost his confidence. In short, he wasn't the same pitcher he had been in 2003. When I argued we shouldn't trade him, it wasn't because I was happy with the pitcher he was in 2004 and 2005. I simply held out the hope that with his young age we could get him back to what he had been before he went off the rails. I am not arguing that Stults deserves to be considered a great prospect. But it is a fact that every so often older minor leaguers regarded as non-prospects break through and establish themselves in the majors. That was the case with mid-to-late 20's non-prospects Paul Lo Duca, David Ross, and Dave Roberts.
2006-09-10 13:07:02
255.   scareduck
254 - Let's see him do this for an entire season. He hasn't even managed that in AAA. A month of good execution in AAA is a still just a month.
2006-09-10 13:07:47
256.   Linkmeister
252 My barracks room in San Diego during training school was similar to Motel 6 rooms I had 25 years later, without the shower.

The one in Japan was a wartime-era multi-floor building; fire escapes down the front and back, a big asphalt slab ("grinder," it was called, for reasons lost to memory if they were ever known) out front, and a big hillside in back.

2006-09-10 13:08:55
257.   Greg S
When he does this, he won't be a prospect, he'll be an All Star.
2006-09-10 13:09:27
258.   Bob Timmermann
Magic number of 18 for the division.
2006-09-10 13:10:27
259.   Greg S
257- was for 255, not 254.
2006-09-10 13:11:15
260.   Greg Brock

A grinder. Of course, where else are you supposed to muster?

Grinder. Muster. It's all coming back to me. Go away memories!

2006-09-10 13:15:18
261.   Uncle Miltie
Antonio Perez is a professional pinch runner
2006-09-10 13:15:40
262.   Gagne55
I come home from church and find that Stults shut down the Mets and the Dodgers won.

BTW, is there some unwritten rule that no pitcher goes more than 6 innings in their first major league start?

2006-09-10 13:16:46
263.   Bob Timmermann
The Astros are about to be shut out by Dave Bush. He's obviously the greatest pitcher in the majors.
2006-09-10 13:17:38
264.   Bob Timmermann
It's the doctrine of "Don't Push Your Luck"
2006-09-10 13:18:12
265.   Gagne55
And it looks like it could be a winning road trip despite the horrific start to it.
2006-09-10 13:19:27
266.   Gen3Blue
Issue. Starting Pitching. I don't see how you can refuge either lefty rookie another turn in a fairly timely way. And I won't even name the probable next candidate who should sit.
I put it this way because it brought back a laugh. A company I worked for told us we should not use the word problem in our weekly report or as a heading for bullets.
We should substitute "issues"!
2006-09-10 13:19:47
267.   Bob Timmermann
I will warn you that you have embarked on the baseball messageboard equivalent of a land war in Asia.
2006-09-10 13:21:40
268.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 267

If Canuck takes after the Steppe peoples of Central Asia, he'll do just fine. =)


2006-09-10 13:24:16
269.   Uncle Miltie
I'm going to today's Giants game. Should I be rooting for the Padres to lose?

I won't be wearing my Dodgers hat this time.

2006-09-10 13:26:10
270.   Gen3Blue
267 Well put.

Giants v Pads is on ESPN tonight I take it?
That could be a pleasant watch knowing someone must lose.

2006-09-10 13:29:31
271.   Sam DC
Soriano with steal 39.
2006-09-10 13:31:01
272.   Gen3Blue
I'd probably root against the Pads and against B.B. if possible. And don't wear the hat unless it over a frag helmit.
2006-09-10 13:32:51
273.   Greg Brock
I'm very happy for Andy Roddick. It's a great accomplishment to get to a Grand Slam final and be destroyed by Roger Federer.

It's like winning the Grand Slam, only not. Or facing those UCLA teams in the NCAA finals.

2006-09-10 13:35:24
274.   Greg S
I really don't know who to root for in that game. I might just not watch it and be happy knowing we will gain ground on one of the teams.
2006-09-10 13:43:05
275.   scooplew
Re TV Guide: I also remember going through a copy at the supermarket checkout line while my mother was buying groceries -- the Market Basket on 3rd Street near Fairfax in L.A. -- to see if the Dodgers were on the Game of the Week that Saturday. What a rare treat if they were.
2006-09-10 13:43:27
276.   chin music
Anyone know the deal with Ethier being benched? Is this gonna be a regular thing?
2006-09-10 13:47:55
277.   Jon Weisman
276 - Dodger notes from Gurnick say it was just to give him a breather. Not a regular thing.
2006-09-10 13:49:00
278.   Gen3Blue
275 like it was yeasterday.
2006-09-10 13:51:52
279.   Jon Weisman
New thread open.
2006-09-10 14:01:17
280.   chin music
Hmm, OK. Little sat him on Friday, and again today, so it made me wonder.

There was also this quote by Little from the LA Times.

"He's been kind of sluggish the last day or two," Little said. "We have to remind ourselves he's a rookie. He's not used to playing this time of year."

2006-09-10 14:02:14
281.   Louis in SF
What is the consensus on who to root for tonight between the hated Ones and the Pads. I don't want to see the Hated Ones get more confidence. So I am going with the Pads.
2006-09-10 15:35:02
282.   50 years a Dodger Fan
162 Roger that. Add politics and weird philosophies. OK, strike "weird".

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