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Saito Was Huge Sunday
2006-08-21 09:59
by Jon Weisman

His ball hops like a boy bouncing off a trampoline.

Oh, and that Derek Lowe was pretty good, too.

But yeah, I got nervous after Kent's error. Really nervous. Not having a flatballer on the mound when things got scary made a nice difference.

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2006-08-21 10:16:37
1.   Eric Stephen
I will repost this from the previous thread...

Is anyone going to tonight's game in San Diego? I will be there with Dodger blue on, I believe in section 304 (I left my ticket at home and forgot the exact seat location).

A Dodger Thoughts remote outing!

2006-08-21 10:21:37
2.   caseybarker
My wife and I were about to go eat a burger at In-and-Out, but I thought I'd better listen to the rest of the ninth. She stayed with me through the whole inning.

The burger sure tasted sweet once we got inside.

2006-08-21 10:28:52
3.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
I had the pleasure of being there yesterday, and boy was that sweet. Not only did Saito's "ball hop like boy bouncing off a trampoline", but so did he when he struck out the final batter (hence striking out the side).

He was triumphant, and it was amazing to see someone come in, facing a hostile crowd with a small margin for error, and then prevent every batter he faced from hitting a fair ball. K, BB, K, K -- no balls in play!

2006-08-21 10:36:34
4.   caseybarker
San Fransisco sports fans had no respite yesterday, as the 49'ers took a pummeling.
2006-08-21 10:39:59
5.   MollyKnight
As Saito hopped off that mound yesterday, my main thought was that I need to order his jersey tee. God bless him.
2006-08-21 10:42:14
6.   bluetahoe
I feel as confident with Saito as I did with Gagne when he was rolling. Saito is a godsend. Where did Neddie find this guy and why in the world did he start the season in Vegas?
2006-08-21 10:46:40
7.   bluetahoe
Here's a thought that was going through my head. Dodgers and postseason ball are looking like a cohesive mixture at this point. I know Neddie went out and got Einar Diaz. You have to have 2 catchers on your postseason roster. That only makes sense. But you've got to keep your eye out for injuries. God forbid of something happens to Martin or the Tobester we're going to need a backup.

If I'm thinking right, Diaz must be on our roster on 8/31. You can't wait till 9/1 to call him up. We are off 8/31 by the way. I propose Grady calls Martin into his off after the game 8/30. He sits him down and says he's sorry to say that he's been optioned to AAA. And the funny thing being that he's telling Martin the truth.

2006-08-21 10:47:48
8.   the OZ
I mentioned this briefly at the end of the game thread, but I'll ask here again since Saito is the topic of the morning:

How long has he been throwing that slower, wicked curveball? I can't remember seeing it before yesterday (though I haven't watched many games lately). Earlier in the season, he seemed to throw only a sneaky fastball and a good slider. While both pitches were effective, he made me nervous and I doubted he could continue to be so overwhelmingly effective with such a limited arsenal and lack of a truly awesome pitch.

So, I ask those of you who have watched more closely than me:

Is he throwing a new pitch? If so, when did it start? He made the Giants batters look silly with that thing.

2006-08-21 10:48:00
9.   King of the Hobos
6 He was coming off some poor years as a swing man in Japan, and our bullpen was full.
2006-08-21 10:48:14
10.   bluetahoe
God forbid something happens to Martin or the Tobester and we're going to need a backup.

I propose Grady calls Martin into his office.

Bad grammar. LOL.

2006-08-21 10:51:12
11.   blue22
7 - Finish your thought. You want to send Martin to AAA so that Diaz can be on the roster? What about Russ then? What am I missing?
2006-08-21 10:52:06
12.   mankatododger
On the previous thread someone was asking about EI and Dodger broadcasts. They are on Extra Innings tomorrow night. And they are on EPSN2 tonight afer the LLWS.
2006-08-21 10:53:05
13.   regfairfield
7 Diaz is hurt so this is all irrelevant. If you did want him on the post season roster, you just need to use the K-Rod loophole and claim someone got hurt.
2006-08-21 10:53:20
14.   bluetahoe
You bring Russ back the next day when rosters expand. Russ has countless options that won't ever be needed. He's here for the long haul. We're just being cautious in case injury befalls Martin or Hall.
2006-08-21 10:54:47
15.   bluetahoe
13 I guess it's Pat Borders time then.
2006-08-21 10:54:48
16.   Jon Weisman
7 - Anyone on the 40-man roster can be put on the postseason roster as an injury replacement, so there's no need for those maneuvers. See K-Rod for the most famous recent example.
2006-08-21 10:55:23
17.   the OZ
6 In addition to the good points raised in 10, the fact that Saito started the season in Vegas indicates the difficulty of predicting the performance of relief pitchers. Team management decided that Baez, Carter, and others would be the most effective bullpen arms entering the season. They were wrong. Saito eventually pitched well enough to outperform their expectations and Baez performed poorly enough to lose his closer role. Jon wrote a whole article about this at earlier in the season.
2006-08-21 10:55:42
18.   regfairfield
15 Retired.
2006-08-21 10:56:30
19.   Eric Stephen
14 I'm probably falling for the bait here, but if injury befalls Martin or Hall, that's when you call up Einar Diaz. As long as he's on the 40-man on 8/31, he can replace a DL'ed player in the postseason.
2006-08-21 10:56:41
20.   Bob Timmermann
regairfield has the most likely scenario. Martin isn't going back to AAA to stash a player on the roster. You do that with backups.
2006-08-21 11:02:05
21.   Eric Stephen
I missed the Saito escape act yesterday, as I was watching the Padres beat the D-Backs from Petco.

Going into the game, I had 2 hopes: for the game to go extras, and for the Padres to use their bullpen a lot.

It went 10 innings, 5 of which were pitched by the bullpen (Hensley pitched 4 relief innings, but he's normally a starter). Padres' bullpen is a bit tired...maybe this will bode well for the Dodgers over the next 3 games.

Hey, did I mention I'm going tonight?

2006-08-21 11:03:26
22.   Eric Enders
20 Especially since, if he was sent down, he'd have to stay there for 10 days.
2006-08-21 11:03:38
23.   bhsportsguy
A clarification on what options are all about, a player has three options once he is put on the 40 man roster. The reason there are options are so players can not be kept indefinitely in a team's system.

When a player is on the 40 man roster but not on the active roster (25-man), he is "optioned" to his minor league assignment. He can brought back and forth any number of times but it only counts as one option per year.

Now let's say that Andre Ethier never sees the minors again. He still has 2 options. There is also a clause in the Collective Bargaining Agreement where if a player has 5 or more years of MLB service time, even if he has options, he must consent to going to the minors, the most famous recent example is Jason Giambi who reportedly refused to go to the minors last year when he was in a terrible slump.

2006-08-21 11:05:03
24.   Eric Enders
Posts like #23 have to be made so frequently, maybe something should be on the sidebar.
2006-08-21 11:06:41
25.   King of the Hobos
15 If Diaz is unable to return from injury, Edwin Bellorin would be the next catcher in line. Borders has retired, which was already mentioned. Bellorin could hit as well as Diaz, plus play better defense, but he lacks veteranness. I'm not really sure why we needed to acquire Diaz, especially as Bellorin could potentially be our back up next season.
2006-08-21 11:08:57
26.   Eric Enders
Is Eric Langill still hurt?
2006-08-21 11:10:26
27.   Bob Timmermann
To avoid the 10 day requirement around this time, players get optioned to teams in leagues that are about to end. That way they never have to go there. If the minor league team's season is over, then you can come right back.
2006-08-21 11:10:57
28.   Eric Stephen
25 I was under the impression that Einar was acquired for minor league depth.
2006-08-21 11:11:58
29.   King of the Hobos
26 He started on Saturday, so I doubt it.
2006-08-21 11:12:47
30.   regfairfield
26 No.

28 Pretty sure it was for a 3rd catcher, either because he has big league expirence, or Ned didn't think Bellorin would clear waivers if he knocked him off the 40 man for some reason.

2006-08-21 11:15:45
31.   King of the Hobos
28 He was immediately added to the 40 man roster, so I have to believe he was acquired to be the September 3rd catcher. I doubt the organization trusts the likes of Bellorin, Langill, or Cresse, which could be wise, but Diaz can't do anything better than them.
2006-08-21 11:16:02
32.   bluetahoe
I learn something new every day that I visit here.

Years ago we traded for Dennis Cook in September and I even think Eddie Murray had a 2nd tour of duty in LA. It's my understanding they wouldn't have been eligible for post season play. But if they were put on the 40 man, the way you all put it, they should have been eligible. I know I'm missing something. The noggins a tad slow on Mondays.

2006-08-21 11:21:14
33.   Jon Weisman
32 - They have to be on the 40-man by September 1, but they don't have to be on the 25-man.

24 - The Griddle has a link.

2006-08-21 11:21:53
34.   Bob Timmermann
I really do:

2006-08-21 11:23:57
35.   Eric Enders
32 To abide by the normal rule, a player has to be on the 40-man roster by August 31.

However, to take advantage of the K-Rod loophole, a player only has to be a member of the organization on Aug. 31 but not necessarily on the 40-man roster.

In either case, players acquired after 9/1 need not apply.

2006-08-21 11:26:44
36.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Joe Rosenthal.
2006-08-21 11:27:09
37.   bluetahoe
So, just for fun, DJ Houlton could NOT be added to our roster when rosters expand, but he could get a phone call on Oct. 2nd telling him to take a flight to our postseason destination, suit up, and be prepared to pitch.
2006-08-21 11:30:56
38.   Bob Timmermann
That could in theory happen, but I don't believe that anyone has played in a postseason series without playing in the regular since 1945 when wartime labor regulations required all returning vets to be given their jobs back, so baseball just opened up the rosters.

Clyde McCullough pinch hit once during the 1945 Series for the Cubs, but did not play at all during the regular season.

He struck out.

2006-08-21 11:32:23
39.   bluetahoe
I was at this bar years ago and I asked the question, "In your typical 9 inning game what is the least amount of pitches a starting pitcher can throw while pitching the whole ballgame (assuming nothing out of the ordinary like players batting out of order, etc, etc....)?

This one guy kept insisting the answer was 27. I tried to explain to him he was wrong. I was trying to be civil in explaining the correct answer. The guy was very close to punching me in the face.

2006-08-21 11:34:26
40.   Bob Timmermann
You just need 9 pitches to pitch a complete game.
2006-08-21 11:37:22
41.   ssjames
40 Really? I thought the answer was 25, one homer, and a loss retiring everyone else on the first pitch. Explain how the answer is 9, please.
2006-08-21 11:38:05
42.   Bill Crain
8 I have seen that slow curve before, but not very often. Most outings it's been just fastball/slider. The slider goes 81-87; the fastball can hit 95 or 96 on rare occasions. He pounds the corner low and away until you think that's all he's got, then, when the count's against him, it moves around all over. Best comp I can think of is Saberhagen; had that ability to miss bats. But you're right; I think yesterday was the first time I've seen the slow hook used as an out pitch, rather than a throwaway.
2006-08-21 11:38:25
43.   Eric Enders
I believe the answer is 12, right?
2006-08-21 11:38:26
44.   ssjames
41 Obviously the game had to be on the road.
2006-08-21 11:39:02
45.   bluetahoe
40 That's not the answer I come up with. You must be using something out of the ordinary.
Maybe a pitcher goes into a windup and keeps falling down so the batter is awarded 1st, then it happens again, then the 1st pitch of the inning is a triple play.
2006-08-21 11:39:44
46.   bluetahoe
what 41 said is what I've always thought.
2006-08-21 11:40:45
47.   Eric Enders
Ignore 43. I'm a dunce.

If you want to get all theoretical about it, you can pitch a complete game without throwing even a single pitch.

Just stand still on the mound and ignore the umpire when he instructs you to pitch. After a while he'll call an automatic ball. Repeat four times, and after the batter walks to first, pick him off.

Then repeat until the game is over.

2006-08-21 11:41:18
48.   Bob Timmermann
First batter of inning triples.
Runner on third breaks for home.
Pitcher steps off rubber and throws home.
Batter interferes. One out.
Repeat this two more times to finish the inning.
Repeat entire sequence eight more times.
2006-08-21 11:42:03
49.   bluetahoe
Here's another one.

A pitcher's box score shows he pitched 0.1 innings. What's the maximum number of hits this pitcher can allow without having a run charged to him?

2006-08-21 11:45:33
50.   Eric Enders
49 Six?

Ground ball hits the runner on third in fair territory, for a single. One out, bases loaded.
Ground ball hits the runner on third in fair territory, for a single. Two out, bases loaded.
Ground ball hits the runner on third in fair territory, for a single. Inning over.

0 R, 6 H, 3 LOB

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2006-08-21 11:46:25
51.   Eric Enders
Oh, wait, I read that as one inning. If he only pitched a third of an inning, then I think the answer is four.
2006-08-21 11:46:38
52.   caseybarker
You need three pitches - a fastball, breaking pitch, and a decent changeup.
2006-08-21 11:47:40
53.   Mr Customer
49 if he comes into the inning with one out already, he may allow an infinite number of hits without being charged with a run, no?
2006-08-21 11:47:46
54.   turing
I was at the game with Brent Is A Dodger Fan; it was amazing how Saito seemed to get more pumped up as the hostile crowd roared; seeing him jump off the mound after the third strike out and pump his fist was great. I was a little bit nervous when he came in, only because of the low fastball speeds, but man, you can't argue with results like that.
2006-08-21 11:48:35
55.   blue22
52 - AJ Burnett threw a no-hitter using just one pitch.

It was a fastball.

2006-08-21 11:51:59
56.   Bob Timmermann
No eventually somebody will score.
2006-08-21 11:54:37
57.   bluetahoe
Pitchers box score

Inn - 0.1
Hits - 7
Runs - 0


Ne wpitcher enters the game with 2 outs and the bases empty. The pitcher gives up 3 singles to load the bases. The next batter hits a rocket which clips his own player. The batter gets credit for the hit but the runner is out. No runs score.

Same pitcher begins the next inning. The clod proceeds to give up 3 singles to load the bases. The manager is fed up and pulls him. The next pitcher gets out of the jam, allowing NO runs to score.

2006-08-21 11:57:28
58.   Mr Customer
56 For clarification:

Pitcher "A" retires 1 batter, is replaced by pitcher "B".

Pitcher "B" retires 1 batter, the next batter reaches on an error, with two out.

Unless I am mistaken, pitcher "B" may now give up hits with impunity, scoring a theoretically infinite number of unearned runs until he either drops dead from exhaustion or retires.

2006-08-21 12:02:35
59.   Gen3Blue
12 I am optimistic after looking at my DTV listings the ESPN2 will carry D's tonight. But back east here it is never a sure thing. With luck I'll check after 10 pm ET and find the game on ESPN2. And I hope it's not one of these 25 pitch affairs!
2006-08-21 12:03:44
60.   Mr Customer
58 The caveat is that the question did not specify if the run had to be earned, or not. I supposed that one may be charged with an unearned run. It sounds odd, but that may be nominally correct.
2006-08-21 12:10:37
61.   Eric Enders
60 It sounds neither odd nor nominal to me, but hey...
2006-08-21 12:12:34
62.   Linkmeister
61 Would you believe ordinal? No? How about prime?
2006-08-21 12:22:33
63.   Daniel Zappala
62 I think all these scenarios are imaginary.
2006-08-21 12:24:25
64.   bhsportsguy
I realize that it is 3 hours later but Bronx Banter has over 400 comments today.

They only topped 1000 once this weekend. (On one thread)

2006-08-21 12:24:41
65.   Eric Enders
63 Tell it to Tippy Martinez.
2006-08-21 12:25:59
66.   Eric Enders
64 I'm glad we don't have 1,000 comments per thread. I suspect my participation would be a lot more minimal if we did. I'm usually too busy to read through every thread as it is.
2006-08-21 12:27:42
67.   blue22
63 - Don't be such a negative square.
2006-08-21 12:27:58
68.   Jon Weisman
64 - They did it twice in one day. But not having a "Thank you for not ..." checklist seems to help.
2006-08-21 12:28:40
69.   Bob Timmermann
August 24 I believe will be the 23rd anniversary of Tippy Martinez Pickoff Night!
2006-08-21 12:29:30
70.   King of the Hobos
64 The Yankee game is also being played right now. It's normal to have the post rate increase both here and there during games. Plus they're playing the Red Sox, so Yankee fans would be even more interested.
2006-08-21 12:31:10
71.   Eric Enders
65, 69 For those of you wondering what in tarnation Bob and I are talking about, see the top of the 10th inning:

2006-08-21 12:34:58
72.   bhsportsguy
68 Do you mean for keeping comments down?
2006-08-21 12:35:15
73.   bhsportsguy
68 Do you mean for keeping comments down?
2006-08-21 12:35:21
74.   bhsportsguy
68 Do you mean for keeping comments down?
2006-08-21 12:41:20
75.   Eric Enders
That was a great joke even if it was accidental.
2006-08-21 12:49:22
76.   bhsportsguy
Sorry, my computer is having issues.
2006-08-21 13:03:20
77.   Daniel Zappala
75 Ahh, but you missed my joke. At least 67 got it, and hey, I had never heard of Tippy Martinez before.
2006-08-21 13:11:22
78.   Bob Timmermann
I think Bronx Banter is on fire. But it's the ninth inning!
2006-08-21 13:18:39
79.   Marty
So Bronx Banter is the reason the Toaster slows down (like now). Jon should cross-charge them for overuse of bandwidth.
2006-08-21 13:19:47
80.   DXMachina
They're a happy bunch right now. Yanks complete the sweep, 2-1.
2006-08-21 13:22:00
81.   Eric Enders
That's gotta be the bestest 5-game sweep since this one:

2006-08-21 13:37:10
82.   Claire Malone-Evans
Yikes!! Just got an e-mail from informing me about early access to playoff tickets. A 4 game lead with 6 weeks to go is way to early to talk about playoff tickets.
2006-08-21 13:43:04
83.   Jon Weisman
82 - They'd send that to you if they were five games out.
2006-08-21 13:45:23
84.   Jon Weisman
81 - Does 5-0-1 count as a sweep? :)
2006-08-21 13:45:39
85.   Humma Kavula
71 that is crazy. who got fired after that game? somebody should have.
2006-08-21 13:47:41
86.   Eric Enders
82 According to BP the Dodgers have an 83% chance of making the playoffs, the fourth-best odds in MLB. If they can't start selling playoff tickets, there are few teams that can.
2006-08-21 13:49:11
87.   Eric Enders
81 Sure, since the tie game was replayed and won by the good guys.

I remember watching those games (well, some of them at least) in Oakland with my late grandfather in his den when I was 11. When the sweep was completed I knew the Dodgers were going to win the World Series.

2006-08-21 13:49:47
88.   Eric Enders
87 referred to 84.

But then, you knew I would screw that up.

2006-08-21 14:11:59
89.   Jon Weisman
I just took the reaction time test at work, and I can't blame the mouse. I can't get below .20.
2006-08-21 14:16:19
90.   Bob Timmermann
The 1983 Blue Jays were managed by Bobby Cox. I hear he never amounted to much as a manager.
2006-08-21 14:18:46
91.   Bob Timmermann
Check out the photo in the propaganda piece on online ticket purchases:

Good thing that family got the worst possible seats at Dodger Stadium.

2006-08-21 14:20:05
92.   DodgerBakers
89. Well, the test doesn't penalize you for hitting before the green light comes on. By continually hitting buttons on the keyboard, I was able to get a .01 reaction time.
2006-08-21 14:25:40
93.   Daniel Zappala
89 I never got below .2 either.
2006-08-21 14:27:20
94.   Linkmeister
Here's an interesting musical squib from Eric Alterman:

"Before he got sick, obviously, Peter [Gammons] recorded a totally excellent, extremely literate album of blues and rock standards. Is life unfair or what that this great writer gets to have so much fun with a strat as well. He does a lot of Chuck Berry, some Zevon, some Clash, [edited] and a bunch of other stuff. And he gets Hatfield, George Thorogood, Little Feat's Paul Barrere, to play too, as well as a bunch of Red Sox, and Theo Epstein. The money goes to the Epsteins' Foundation To Be Named Later, which raises funds and awareness for non-profit agencies serving disadvantaged youth in the Greater Boston. The whole thing is kind of amazing. Read all about it" at the Rounder Records link below.

2006-08-21 14:31:54
95.   Jon Weisman
92 - I can also predict the winner of the 2006 World Series in November. :)

Putting that aside ... I know some people got below .20.

2006-08-21 14:36:56
96.   Eric Enders
I got squat because my firewall wouldn't let me play the game in the first place.
2006-08-21 15:00:11
97.   bhsportsguy
Today's lineup from Inside the Dodgers, lots of interesting things in today's entries, you may complain about some aspects of the Dodger's front office but Josh has done a really good job with his blog this year.

Furcal, SS
Lofton, CF
Garciaparra, 1B
Drew, RF
Kent, 2B
Ethier, LF
Betemit, 3B
Martin, C
Billingsley, P

2006-08-21 15:02:17
98.   Bob Timmermann
That's the same lineup for the fourth day in a row!
2006-08-21 15:08:37
99.   Bluebleeder87
Well, the test doesn't penalize you for hitting before the green light comes on. By continually hitting buttons on the keyboard, I was able to get a .01 reaction time.

I don't like cheating like that, i've yet to take the test again 'cause i like my beer cold after a hard day of work. my best score (with out cheating) was .170 something.

2006-08-21 15:09:26
100.   bhsportsguy
97 It looks the Dodgers will face two lefthanders next week against the Reds otherwise it I would not expect the lineup will change unless Grady gives some players some time off until the next road trip.
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2006-08-21 15:09:40
101.   regfairfield
I wonder how Julio Lugo feels about becoming a backup in his contract year.
2006-08-21 15:11:11
102.   Eric Enders
By the way, did anyone notice that the Red Sox now have two players named Javy Lopez on their team?

I wonder when was the last time that happened? (and yes, that is ToasterSpeak for "Timmermann, time to get your butt in gear!")

The Ramon Martinezes were never teammates. Neither were the Greg Harrises or Jeff D'Amicos. Greg Olson and Gregg Olson missed being teammates by one year, but that extra G would have rendered them ineligible anyway.

2006-08-21 15:11:19
103.   Nagman
This series is getting big time hype here in San Diego. If you want to listen to the Padre flagship, streams their coverage. Starting at 4pm is their "BP" show with Tim Flannery and Randy Jones.

I'll be in attendance for the Woody Williams-Brad Penny game on Wed.

2006-08-21 15:11:20
104.   bhsportsguy
101 My guess is he doesn't like it but then what's he going do but play when he goes in and hopefully be a part of a playoff run.
2006-08-21 15:11:42
105.   Bluebleeder87
you may complain about some aspects of the Dodger's front office but Josh has done a really good job with his blog this year.

Saito has to be the unsung hero from all our rooks no? but Ethier & Martin play everyday.

2006-08-21 15:13:08
106.   bhsportsguy
102 Technically, one is Javy and the other is Javier Lopez but I am sure Bob has already researched the answer.
2006-08-21 15:13:10
107.   Bob Timmermann
2006-08-21 15:14:44
108.   Eric Enders
107 I missed that post amid the weekend deluge, but am not surprised in the least that you already had it covered.
2006-08-21 15:15:20
109.   Jon Weisman
A bold shot at the Griddle, easily if sadly deflected back at the shooter ...
2006-08-21 15:16:43
110.   caseybarker
I enjoyed the comment by das411 on that Griddle post.
2006-08-21 15:17:08
111.   bhsportsguy
105 No question Saito has been and continues to be the biggest surprise for the Dodgers, Billingsley, Broxton, Martin and Ethier all had recent success in the minors and were among the top prospects of the game.

Saito came from nowhere so to speak and you might think he would have trouble but so far so good. One thing and I have nothing to base this on except for what I hear about pitching in Japan, I am guessing that he is throwing less here than in Japan so as long as he gets some rest, he should be fine.

I would not be surprised if Broxton gets the call in a save situation tonight though.

2006-08-21 15:17:37
112.   Eric Enders
The question remains unanswered however. I'm going to get to the bottom of this eventually.
2006-08-21 15:17:51
113.   Bob Timmermann
Both Lopezes on Boston are named Javier.
2006-08-21 15:18:32
114.   regfairfield
102 The Bobby Joneses on the Mets is the last one I remember.
2006-08-21 15:18:34
115.   Eric Enders
2006-08-21 15:18:40
116.   Bob Timmermann
The last teammates with the same name were the two Bobby Joneses. Their paths crossed twice. Once with the Mets and again with the Padres.
2006-08-21 15:19:03
117.   Eric Enders
115 was about Bob! I promise!
2006-08-21 15:19:55
118.   Bluebleeder87
0.16 i just took the test again & that was my pest one (today)

ps I have three beers in my little bellie.

2006-08-21 15:20:09
119.   bhsportsguy
113 The Yahoo roster shows the more famous of the two as Javy, so does the roster but I take your word for it.
2006-08-21 15:20:20
120.   bhsportsguy
113 The Yahoo roster shows the more famous of the two as Javy, so does the roster but I take your word for it.
2006-08-21 15:21:40
121.   Eric Enders
116 Cool. Bobby Jones (Bobby J. Jones) is one of the two MLB players (that I know of) who have read one of my books.
2006-08-21 15:22:49
122.   Eric Enders
120 Both are officially named Javier and nicknamed Javy.
2006-08-21 15:23:45
123.   Bob Timmermann
Well people call me Bob, but that doesn't mean it's my real name.

The lefty was Robert Mitchell Jones.
The righty was Robert Joseph Jones.

They were both on the Padres in 2002.

2006-08-21 15:24:56
124.   Bluebleeder87
LLWS is on & Venezuela takes an early 2-0 lead over Canada
2006-08-21 15:26:03
125.   Eric Enders
"Venezuela takes an early 2-0 lead"

I almost started pumping my fist before I realized it's not 1984 and he doesn't pitch for us anymore.

2006-08-21 15:26:18
126.   das411
110 - I stayed up well past Letterman-time to watch that game, NO WAY was I gonna go to sleep without seeing one or both Javy Lopezes!

111 - Everybody who wants to see Derek Lowe close a game this year, raise your hand...

2006-08-21 15:31:04
127.   DXMachina
102 A little late, but there were a pair of Bob Millers on the '62 Mets. One of them later pitched for the Dodgers. The other didn't.
2006-08-21 15:34:30
128.   Bob Timmermann
The name's the same, Dodgers version:

1. Dick Egan
2. Bill Hart
3. Jim Hickman
4. Mike Marshall
5. Mike McCormick (neither of them were the Cy Young award winner)
6. Jack Ryan
7. Dick Schofield
8. Reggie Williams

And of course....

9. Mike Ramsey

2006-08-21 15:35:22
129.   Bluebleeder87
i'm thinking there were alot of Jose Gonzales in the bigs no?
2006-08-21 15:37:35
130.   D4P
Speaking of Javier Lopez (the catcher): can anyone explain his 2003 season? The Ruthless Dictator in me is suspicious...

2006-08-21 15:37:42
131.   Bob Timmermann
Surprisingly, there's only been one player who has gone by Jose Gonzalez in the bigs. The really bad hitting outfielder for the Dodgers.

There are two Luis Gonzalezes in the majors now (Arizona and Colorado).

2006-08-21 15:39:02
132.   Bluebleeder87
Eric Karros showing off his California tan on the LLWS.
2006-08-21 15:39:34
133.   Eric Enders
131 There have actually been two players to go by Jose Gonzalez. But one of them started his career as Jose Uribe and switched names late in his career.
2006-08-21 15:40:58
134.   Eric Enders
133 Actually, according to Wikipedia I got that reversed.

"Early in his career, he was delivered as "the player to be named later" in a trade between the Giants and the Cardinals. Between the time of the initial trade and his delivery, he changed his name from Jose Uribe Gonzalez (Gonzalez is his mother's name) to just Jose Uribe (Uribe is his father's name) because, as he put it, "There are too many Gonzalezes in baseball!". Thus he really was "named later"."

2006-08-21 15:41:12
135.   Bob Timmermann
It was the other way around. He started as Gonzalez and finished as Uribe.
2006-08-21 15:41:34
136.   Bluebleeder87
2003 Atl 129 457 89 150 29 3 43 109 33 90 0 1 .328 .378 .687 1.065

Well he was on his contract year no?

2006-08-21 15:46:47
137.   Bluebleeder87
aswering 130from my 136
2006-08-21 15:47:35
138.   das411
Wasn't '03 also the year the Braves had old friend Gary Sheffield?
2006-08-21 15:49:02
139.   Bob Timmermann
The name's the same, but why?

There have been two Dolly Grays, and two Heinie Muellers.

There have been four Bob Millers.
There have been four Dave Roberts, all but one has played for the Padres.

In 1949, Jackie Robinson played for the Dodgers and Jack Robinson played for the Red Sox.
Presumably no one got those two gentlemen confused.

2006-08-21 15:52:16
140.   Bob Timmermann
Wilkin Ruan is the only major league players whose surname has started with "Rua".

He is also the only major leaguer to be named Wilkin.

2006-08-21 15:58:32
141.   D4P
Well he was on his contract year no?

So, he just tried harder...?

2006-08-21 15:58:44
142.   Bluebleeder87

i would of been an o.g. if i'd play MLB ball, talking about my first name ofcourse.

2006-08-21 15:59:41
143.   Bluebleeder87
So, he just tried harder...?

my innocent mind likes to think that way.

2006-08-21 16:01:21
144.   D4P
my innocent mind likes to think that way

But doesn't your innocent mind wonder why he doesn't try hard all the time...?

2006-08-21 16:01:54
145.   fanerman
143 - Trying hard, that's what they call it these days.
2006-08-21 16:03:10
146.   Bluebleeder87
0.18639999999999998 I'm still posting pretty good #'s after 4 beers.
2006-08-21 16:03:55
147.   Greg Brock
Did somebody say "Boy bouncing on a trampoline?"

Beware. High cringe, high laughter.

2006-08-21 16:05:53
148.   Bluebleeder87

big pay day.

2006-08-21 16:06:23
149.   Eric Enders
"The name's the same, but why? There have been two Dolly Grays, and two Heinie Muellers."

Those cases might be like all the Cy Youngs and Buck Freemans, where the players that follow were all nicknamed in honor of the first guy.

2006-08-21 16:07:24
150.   Steve
I wonder how Lucille feels being behind Julio Lugo on the depth chart.
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2006-08-21 16:08:50
151.   Bluebleeder87

i think he dislocated his leg. funny none the less.

2006-08-21 16:08:58
152.   D4P
Being lower on the chart is easier on the vertigo...
2006-08-21 16:10:08
153.   Bob Timmermann
I'm assuming that the second Heinie Mueller decided to take that nickname growing up in St. Louis because Heinie Mueller #1 was a Cardinals shortstop.
2006-08-21 16:10:42
154.   Eric Enders
Or, equally likely, had it thrust upon him.
2006-08-21 16:12:27
155.   Jon Weisman
Ramon Martinez should be thankful he got this whole season on a major league roster. Everything else ... gravy on the cake.
2006-08-21 16:13:25
156.   Disabled List
The Dodgers are #8 in's latest rankings. They're behind the Red Sox, for some unfathomable reason, but the blurb is interesting. The CW is starting to form that the Dodgers might be made of championship timber:

Among legitimate NL contenders right now, it'd be hard to find a better top of the rotation than Brad Penny, Derek Lowe and Greg Maddux. Does that make the Dodgers the new front-runners in the Senior Circuit? You have another candidate? Unless the Mets get healthy, and quick, this L.A. team will be hard to keep out of the World Series.

2006-08-21 16:13:35
157.   Bluebleeder87
the ESPN guy keeps on calling Venezuela Valenzuela i'm not kidding.
2006-08-21 16:13:42
158.   Bob Timmermann
gravy on the cake.

I'm not going to a birthday party of either of Jon's kids if that's how he serves cake.

2006-08-21 16:14:50
159.   regfairfield
156 Amazing what three starts can do a guy's value. But, considering how pathetic the only contending teams are, the Dodgers do have the best rotation.
2006-08-21 16:15:09
160.   Bob Timmermann

Sounds to me like the Dodgers are the Flavor of the Week. That and $1.25 gets you a ride on the Gold Line.

After you get off the Gold Line, you will then think to yourself, "Somebody thought that this was a good idea?"

2006-08-21 16:15:40
161.   Steve
Everything else ... gravy on the cake.

We never really had a good metaphor for Lugo until now.

2006-08-21 16:16:32
162.   ecblue
Haven't posted for ages - computer then password issues. In any case, I'm very happy to see my Dodgers on a roll again this season, and I actually got back to LA for the first time since 1988 to see the Blue play the Giants on July 7, with my Giants-loving sister (Nomar homered in the 8th to beat the Evil Empire). Thought the stadium looked better than ever and LA - surprisingly - hasn't changed that much. Even had a slice of pie at House of Pies in Los Feliz, where my mom used to take us when we were very young.

Thanks to Jon for all his hard work here and for keeping me connected to the Dodgers while I've been stranded here in Yankeeland.

Better call my old man now, who is a Red Sox fan. May need to put him on suicide watch!

2006-08-21 16:17:50
163.   Bluebleeder87
the ESPN guy keeps on calling Venezuela Valenzuela i'm not kidding. [still chuckling]
2006-08-21 16:18:42
164.   Bluebleeder87
3-1 Venezuela
2006-08-21 16:18:50
165.   Jon Weisman
158 - That was a regular catchphrase from my cross country coach in high school.
2006-08-21 16:21:43
166.   Bob Timmermann
There have also been two Bill Muellers in baseball, but I don't know who the one who played in the 1940s pronounced his last name.

That guy was from Michigan. The Dodgers Mueller was from the St. Louis area.

2006-08-21 16:23:10
167.   natepurcell
its nice that ESPN is showing a west coast game tonight.
2006-08-21 16:24:12
168.   Bluebleeder87
there's a kid from Canada that has a great great swing. i'll try & get his name next time he bats (he's 2 for 2 so far)
2006-08-21 16:25:04
169.   Eric Enders
155 "Ramon Martinez should be thankful he got this whole season on a major league roster. Everything else ... gravy on the cake."

That sounds exactly like Earl Weaver talking about Terry Crowley.

(And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, you need to listen to this...

... but definitely not at work.)

2006-08-21 16:25:44
170.   bhsportsguy
167 So Nate what's up with your quarterback situation, did the coach just well mess up to say politely.
2006-08-21 16:26:06
171.   Marty
It's just frosting on the potatos
2006-08-21 16:26:32
172.   caseybarker
166 Is his name really pronounced "Miller", or is it "Mewller"
2006-08-21 16:29:03
173.   natepurcell

QB is the least of my concerns. when your #1 reciever is probably going to jail for like his 3rd DUI and your first round stud LB injures his knee and is out for the rest of the season, I don't have time to worry about a QB that has completed over 60% of his passes the last 11 years straight.

Oh, and our starting runningback is named Chester.....CHESTER!!!!

2006-08-21 16:30:49
174.   Bob Timmermann
Neifi! is starting at second base for the Tigers tonight.

He wears #8.

2006-08-21 16:31:13
175.   caseybarker
166 Is his name really pronounced "Miller", or is it "Mewller"
2006-08-21 16:31:36
176.   Bob Timmermann
The elder Bill Mueller took that answer to the grave with him.
2006-08-21 16:32:41
177.   caseybarker
Sorry for the double post.
2006-08-21 16:35:26
178.   twerp
Speaking of Japanese pitchers, I posted this profile of Daisuke Matsuzaka a couple days ago. Reposting because right afterward the link didn't seem to work:

Also to highlight these sections:

"As a (high school) senior in the 1998 tournament, Matsuzaka stunned the nation by delivering a 250-pitch 17-inning complete game. A few days later, he topped himself by tossing a no-hitter in the final to take the championship."

"...unless Seibu offers him up (to MLB) through the posting system, under league rules he will have to wait until after his tenth season of play in Japan. It remains to be seen whether his golden right arm will hold up that long after the extraordinarily heavy workload it has seen in both high school and the Japanese League."

Seibu might offer him up earlier if the price is right.

Even if so, is the bidding going to be for a 26 year old with a 35 year old arm?

2006-08-21 16:37:51
179.   Bob Timmermann
The kid who pitched the winning team in the recent Koshien high school tournament threw four complete games in four days. One of them was a 15-inning tie in which he threw 178 pitches.

In the ninth of the fourth straight game he pitched, he struck out 13 and was topping 90 mph on the radar gun in the ninth inning.

2006-08-21 16:38:38
180.   Greg Brock
Whatever it is, it's probably going to be the biggest bidding we've seen yet. That kid is legit (if you saw the WBC, he was pretty amazing).
2006-08-21 16:38:45
181.   Bob Timmermann
Oh, the price will be right for Seibu. I would be very surprised if Matsuzaka is not posted. They want the money. The company needs it.
2006-08-21 16:40:43
182.   Bluebleeder87
250-pitch 17-inning complete game.

WOW, i'm sure MLB teams will take that into consideration.

2006-08-21 16:40:48
183.   blue22
Are these bids submitted blindly?
2006-08-21 16:41:51
184.   Eric Enders
Dilemma: Should I go after Mets NLCS tickets on the, what, current 25% chance that the Dodgers will face the Mets in the LCS? If it doesn't happen then I guess I get my money back. Either that or I'm stuck watching the Mets and Cardinals.
2006-08-21 16:42:03
185.   Eric Enders
183 Yep.
2006-08-21 16:42:08
186.   Bob Timmermann
In theory they are blind, sealed bids.

And it's not like the Japanese would be ever be prone to corruption in business ...

2006-08-21 16:43:32
187.   blue22
186 - Not to mention Boras' involvement in the process.
2006-08-21 16:43:53
188.   Nagman
Padres radio reporting that Park may not make the start, recurrance of the internal bleeding which sidelined him a few weeks ago.

Reports of Tim Stauffer being brought up to pitch tonight.

2006-08-21 16:44:57
189.   Nagman
188 - This after Hensley was scratched on Saturday and Chris Young left after one inning on Sunday.
2006-08-21 16:47:30
190.   bhsportsguy
Nate: Just saw that Scott Elbert is scheduled to go to Arizona Fall League, a lot of pitchers coming over from the Dodgers, Elbert is the most high profile, Hu and Raglani are the two highest profile position players.

Of course this could change, good news that the pitching coach for that AFL team is Kenny Howell from the Vegas team so I am sure that the Dodgers will be paying close attention to Elbert's and the other Dodger pitcher's usage.

2006-08-21 16:48:31
191.   Bluebleeder87

our chances seem good tonight peeps

Career 3 6 5.33 15 14 0 0 0 0 81.0 92 50 48 10 29 49

2006-08-21 16:49:31
192.   Eric Enders
Nate, are you planning on heading up to Phx for any fall league games?
2006-08-21 16:49:56
193.   bhsportsguy
189 Stauffer just pitcher on Thursday, he threw 80 pitches in Vegas, so he's had 3 days off so I guess he could 3-4 innings depending on pitch counts.
2006-08-21 16:51:10
194.   Bluebleeder87

if he has a great work ethic you probably have to put that into consideration, but still that's a bunch of pitches for a guy.

2006-08-21 16:51:53
195.   natepurcell

I don't know, maybe if my schedule permits it. I think I might be taking 19 units this semester so its going to be pretty busy if I do decide to keep all my current classes.

2006-08-21 16:52:05
196.   Eric Enders
Complete Dodgers AFL list:

Brian Akin
Scott Elbert
Casey Hoorelbeke
Danny Muegge
A.J. Ellis
Chin-Lung Hu
Anthony Raglani

A pretty unimpressive collection, IMO.

2006-08-21 16:55:08
197.   Greg Brock
Most of the top guys are too close to the bigs (or in it) to play in the AFL. It was awesome a year or two ago.
2006-08-21 16:56:13
198.   bhsportsguy
196 This year's crop seems down at least from the local perspective, the Angels did not send anyone of note.
2006-08-21 16:56:26
199.   Bluebleeder87

i'm pretty sure MLB.COM includes the AFL league t.v. package no? i'm gonna subscribe just to see Scott Elbert pitch, dose anybody know when it starts? (AFL)

2006-08-21 16:57:26
200.   natepurcell
I kinda wish they'd send Blake Dewitt to the AFL, the more ABs will be a positive for him.

The AFL is an extreme hitters league (for those that don't know), so it will be interesting to see how Elbert performs there.

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2006-08-21 16:57:38
201.   twerp
At bottom of Matsuzaka profile is a link to discussion of the "gyroball" he's rumored to throw, FWIW:

This appears at bottom:

"Then there is Japanese national team pitcher Tsuyoshi Wada, who was surprised to hear that anyone had not heard of the gyroball in America. It definitely does exist, he declared confidently, although he admitted that he had never seen it thrown.

"Asked how he could be so sure it existed in that case he replied, that well, he had seen it in comic books, and everyone throws it in the comic books!"

Anyone know the Japanese characters for LOL?

2006-08-21 16:58:16
202.   natepurcell
I actually might try to make a trip just to see Elbert pitch. I think that would be worth the hour drive and waste of gas.
2006-08-21 16:59:01
203.   bhsportsguy
200 I am pretty sure they can change the rosters, I recall Loney got added as taxi squad player late in the day.
2006-08-21 17:00:56
204.   natepurcell
on the Mesa Solar sox roster, they have Elbert's birthday wrong.

seriously, they should do a better job of fixing that stuff.

2006-08-21 17:01:28
205.   Bob Timmermann
The Japanese are not allowed to LOL.
2006-08-21 17:03:31
206.   thinkingblue

save Elbert.

2006-08-21 17:05:33
207.   Andrew Shimmin
201- How did you come to be so hooked on Matsuzaka?
2006-08-21 17:08:56
208.   bhsportsguy
I listened to Derek Lowe and Kenny Lofton on some taped interviews today and especially with Lowe, I have to believe that the deals that were made, starting with Betemit (no one mentions the dump of Odalis but that probably fits in there too), as the Front Office showing confidence in the team despite the recent losing they had gone through.

Another thing that I noticed during Lowe's down time in July was the fact that he did not seem to throw a lot of sinkers, now and for the last 4 starts, he started to again, its weird how players get away from something and then go back to it.

Lowe said something about Russ and Andre, that he believes these guys are legit because the time you have this many at bats, pitchers know what to exploit. Again, there are scores of players who did well there first year and regressed so we will have to wait and see but it is good sign that those two really have not had a real prolonged slump like some of the other rookies have gone through.

2006-08-21 17:09:42
209.   thinkingblue

His stuff is off the charts, and so is his command. At least that's what I saw in the WBC, and a youtube video. That's why I'd really want Matsuzaka.

2006-08-21 17:12:07
210.   twerp
207 Not really hooked. Itrigued by all the buzz, ran across what I posted.
2006-08-21 17:13:06
211.   natepurcell
Its going to be a big letdown when he isn't posted this offseason.
2006-08-21 17:13:24
212.   Bob Timmermann
I've never seen Matsuzaka pitch except in the WBC and he seemed good, but not out of this world.

When I talked to some American players who had faced him in Japan when I was there in 2003, they said they actually liked facing him because he pitched in more of an American style. He doesn't nibble around the corners like 95% of Japanese pitchers.

2006-08-21 17:13:42
213.   Nagman
Park is a game time decision, report is that it is his decision on whether he can go or not. No confirmation on whether it will be Stauffer if Park cannot go.

I don't know how they could take a chance with something so serious that just a couple weeks ago had Park receiving a blood transfusion after suffering internal bleeding.

2006-08-21 17:14:17
214.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
165 Hey! That was a regular expression of my high school cross country coach, too.

Hm... :)

2006-08-21 17:17:39
215.   Bob Timmermann
The Pittsburgh-Atlanta game is no longer interesting.
2006-08-21 17:17:46
216.   bhsportsguy
Oakland may have the worst offense in baseball but they are one base hit away from tying the game in the top of the 3rd, they have scored 7 runs, knocked out the starter and have almost caught the Blue Jays after trailing 8-0.
2006-08-21 17:19:46
217.   Bob Timmermann
And Chan Ho Park is alive because he has taken an offering of the blood of one of his teammate's wives.

It all sounded very Gothic.

2006-08-21 17:28:16
218.   Linkmeister
217 Is Lestat one of the Padres' trainers?
2006-08-21 17:33:40
219.   Jon Weisman
214 - Glad I wasn't the only one to remember it.
2006-08-21 17:34:52
220.   Nagman
Sounds confirmed, Park is out, Stauffer is in.
2006-08-21 17:36:07
221.   Blu2
84 If you buy the Met playoff tickets and decide not to go, can't you scalp them to get your money back? Think I'd buy good seats with that in mind...
2006-08-21 17:38:11
222.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open.
2006-08-21 18:08:56
223.   Eric Enders
221 I could scalp them if I wanted to drive 4 hrs to Shea to do it. Or I could sell them on eBay, but that would be impossible to do in time if, say, the Dodgers lost a Division Series.

I'm thinking I'm gonna try it though.

2006-08-21 18:31:38
224.   PDH5204
101104 regfairfield/bhsportsguy:

Don't know how Lugo feels but probably unpleasant. I mean, here are the numbers:

LAD .317 .296 .241
TBDR .373 .498 .308


LAD .321 .471 .257
AB .344 .497 .281

When some here spoke of regressing, we can see just who is regressing now that Betemit's playing everyday. And he cannot otherwise hit left-handed pitching, so what happens if the Dodgers face Johnson, Santana or Buehrle in the World Series? Any team can otherwise get a very nearly automatic out or remove Betemit from the game by simply bringing in that left-handed reliever with men on base in the late innings.

And Vin and some others wonder why the Dodger's were so lucky to latch onto the Second Coming. To answer Vin and those others, Betemit was never going to take Chipper's place, he's apparently not better than Marcus Giles nor will he be in the forseeable future, and Furcal left, which left the door wide open for him, but instead, the Braves went out and got Edgar "I made 30 errors playing short for the Bosox last year" Renteria. What does that say? And Betemit had been in the Braves organization his entire career, yes? So if anyone knew the player he was capable of becoming it was the Braves, yes? And they signed him at how old again? Did the Braves know something that Ned & Grady didn't? And for a more complete perspective, Giles is arbitration eligible this year, and the word on the street in Braves country is that the Braves might simply let Giles go and have Aybar take over at second. And that, not because because he can hit righties better than Betemit, as he can't, but he can hit lefties at something better than less than a buck. Oh, sorry, one more. For those who said, well, he .240 against lefties on the Braves this year. Yeah, he did. Now go over to the MLB website and go team by team. Betemit either went 1.000 or 0.000, or very nearly so. It was either feast or famine, and he starved against lefties far more than he ate. I will let someone else determine the ERA of the lefties that he did feast against.

And here's why Lugo, at least if the Dodgers would like to win the Series this year:

Yankees [6 games]:

Tropicana Field .385 .333 .333
Yankee Stadium .385 .273 .273
Totals .385 .304 .304

Chisox [3 games]:

Tropicana .308 .385 .308

Detroit [4 games]:

Comerica .368 .529 .294

Boston [8 games]:

Fenway Park .333 .412 .294
Tropicana .389 .533 .267

And no more American League jokes, since the NL is clearly the inferior league, since, among other items, of all NL teams, only the CR and the SFG have a winning record in interleague play.

So, just when I was hoping that we might put thirty some years of futility behind us, I suppose that I stand corrected. Oh, and I don't count '89, since in addition to anything that anyone else might have done, that team doesn't win without Orel that year, and for that year, there was no Orel-substitute [as it were].

In the meantime, for those who study such things, well, based on some BP/Pecota figures, Lugo is supposed to rate as the 5th best shortstop in baseball. He's riding our bench in favor of a guy who can't hit lefthanders and so will never be an everyday player, at least for a team that considers futility a failure.

And for a final word, never ever take a player's performance against your team as being indicative of anything more or other than how he hits against you:

Dodger Stadium .429 .857 .429
Turner Field 1.000 1.000 1.000

So, in 9 AB's versus the LAD, Betemit went:

.556 .889 .556

Lugo will otherwise, well, there are no other comparable shortstops in this year's free agent market, and so while he won't he get Furcal money [only the Dodgers are that stupid], he will get more than he should, somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-23 million over 4 years. BP says he's worth 17 million over 4 years. So call the extra the "I'm the only decent thing" available premium. And as I remarked a while back, he prefers shortstop, but given his arm strength and tendency to be erratic at times, second base is a much better fit. And, again, that's why some other good teams, the Red Sox, the Mets, etc., all wanted to trade for him this year and have him play second base. The problem they each had was one does not get to talk with the other team's players. If they had been able to do so, well, when Lugo was negotiating with the TBDR, he kept coming back to the matter of whether the TBDR truly wanted to win. So that would have been the hook. You can either play short for a long-term loser like the TBDR, or you can play second for a winner. I was hoping that management here would have the smarts to do so, but as I said, I suppose that I now stand corrected.

For one last word re regression, well, our friends at BP expected Lugo to regress after his 2005 season, which was well above their prediction. Not only did he not regress this year, his .295 BA was up to .308, his .362 OBP was up to .373, and his .403 SLG was up to .498. According to fans of the TBDR, the explanation for the absence of the regression is simply that, like Koufax, Lugo found it, and he found in the latter half of the 2004 season and hasn't been the same player since. I'll will otherwise leave it to the numbers people to notify BP that statistics don't apply so well to human future performance, given that machines and other things mechanical cannot improve themselves on a permament basis while humans can. Well, tell them that, and also that only the fool thinks that human improvement constitutes a "statistical anomaly."

And, hey, if the "we don't know how to build a long-term winner" Dodgers management wants to get bench and then get rid of a guy who was outperforming Betemit in a league with superior pitching, and that with the guy having to face all pitchers while Betemit far more often than not sat against your more sinister pitchers, well, I suppose that it's their money and their tradition, so if they want to waste and trash the same, so be it.

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