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Betemit's Bump in the Road
2006-08-21 17:34
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

At least temporarily, the Dodger third-base blues are back: Infielder Wilson Betemit has fallen into a 4-for-25 slump with three walks and no extra-base hits (.401 OPS). His overall EQA as a Dodger, according to Baseball Prospectus, has dropped to .266, the same that Willy Aybar's was before they were traded for each other.

That being said, Aybar's EQA with Atlanta was .196 before he went on the disabled list.

* * *

Tonight's Game

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2006-08-21 17:44:21
1.   Bluebleeder87
the same that Willy Aybar's was before they were traded for each other.

i'm hoping this time Grady is more patient.

2006-08-21 17:45:37
2.   Bluebleeder87
1

i'm 2 for 2 today (woo hoo) i was the first at I.T.D.

2006-08-21 17:48:02
3.   thinkingblue
Well, Betemit has hit more home runs in his time did Aybar did in his whole dodger career.
2006-08-21 17:51:29
4.   King of the Hobos
Regarding Elbert and the AFL, the players announced right now seem to rarely be the actual players sent to the AFL. Billingsley was suppose to pitch there last year, but was pulled due to innings. I believe the same thing happened to Jackson and Miller when they were top prospects. Elbert has pitched too many innings, I doubt he goes to the AFL.
2006-08-21 17:57:19
5.   Bluebleeder87
so is it confirmed that Tim Stauffer is pitching today instead of Park?
2006-08-21 17:57:33
6.   Greg S
Hey Nate (or anyone else)... are you going to the games this weekend at the BOB er... Chase Field?
I'm goint to all three and playing Troon North- A weekend conceived by God himself (who I assume to be a Dodger fan and a golfer).
2006-08-21 17:57:45
7.   thinkblue0
im not too worried about Betemit. He'll turn it around...4 for 25 plus three walks at least isn't as bad as it can get with some guys.

Hopefully we start off on the right foot tonight and put up a couple runs early for Bills.

2006-08-21 18:02:08
8.   natepurcell
6

Nah, I'm probably not going to be going up this weekend- kind of busy since school just started. But have fun though!

2006-08-21 18:03:31
9.   overkill94
You know all those commercials about the merging of Comcast and Adelphia into Time Warner being so smooth that you won't even notice it? Bollocks I say, the last two days my internet has been shoddy at best (I'm stealing someone else's wireless right now) for the first time in the last 1+ years I've had the service.

Maybe they should have used some of the money they put into all those commercials into bolstering their bandwidth.

On a brighter note, the technician is supposed to be here between 8 and 10 am tomorrow, much better than the usual range of time they give.

2006-08-21 18:10:42
10.   Greg S
I've had DirecTV HD for about 6 months but I rarely use it as I only have Tivo for the standaed def. But tonight's game is actually broadcast in HD on ESPN2 so this will be my first experience with a HD Dodger game... very exctiting!
2006-08-21 18:12:46
11.   Bluebleeder87
hey nate have you played the game already?

http://www.getyourwebsitehere.com/jswb/rttest01.html

2006-08-21 18:15:24
12.   fanerman
Someone mentioned the A's/Jays game in the last thread. Oakland has actually taken the lead now, 11-8, after starting the game down 0-8.
2006-08-21 18:15:50
13.   Eric Enders
10 I've seen only one, last year. It was pretty infreakingcredible. The number of things you could see, that you wouldn't on a normal broadcast, was astounding.
2006-08-21 18:18:04
14.   natepurcell
11

average of the 5 times was 0.09059999999999999

of course, i cheated though.

2006-08-21 18:20:13
15.   das411
Sweet, Jimmy Rollins just popped his 19th HR of the year to make it 4-0 Phils. How many homers does the LAD leader have today?

There was also a nice open-field tackle of Henry Blanco by Pat Burrell, when the Cubs-SS-who-is-not-Izturis tried to throw the ball through the baserunner...

2006-08-21 18:21:31
16.   Bluebleeder87
as i posted on the other thread, here are Tim Stauffer's #'s

Career 3 6 5.33 15 14 0 0 0 0 81.0 92 50 48 10 29 49

our chances look good but then again this is baseball.

2006-08-21 18:22:29
17.   Disabled List
10 An HD broadcast is like looking through a window right out onto the stadium itself. I assume you have a HD tv, right?
2006-08-21 18:22:42
18.   Bluebleeder87
14

do one with out cheating.

2006-08-21 18:25:44
19.   Greg S
17 I do. And I've seen other games (including last night's Sox/Yankees game) in HD and it is really something. Just never seen a Dodger game this way. Can't wait until they start doing all games in HD. Hoping that could even be by next year. Other teams do it, why not us?
2006-08-21 18:27:13
20.   Bob Timmermann
Rod Allen, Tigers TV analyst, said Detroit fans would like Neifi Perez because he has a good personality.
2006-08-21 18:28:47
21.   Bob Timmermann
The Braves beat the Pirates and as of right now five teams in the NL have the exact same record: 59-65.

That won't last more than an hour or so.

2006-08-21 18:29:44
22.   Adam
speaking of HD and the new Time Warner cable. I noticed in the little blurb they sent me in the mail that among the channels listed in their HD package was Fox Sports. I wonder if that's accurate, and if we'll be getting all the broadcasts in HD now... it could just be a printing mistake on their part...
2006-08-21 18:29:44
23.   Bluebleeder87
20

wow, a good personality goes a long way. :o)

2006-08-21 18:33:23
24.   Bluebleeder87
Steve Garvey is sitting in for Eric Karros today on KCAL 9.
2006-08-21 18:33:50
25.   Bob Timmermann
Neifi Perez has apparently become baseball's wingman.
2006-08-21 18:35:19
26.   fanerman
What kind of non-cheating scores are people getting on that reaction time test?

I'm getting about .22. But I wouldn't call myself athletically gifted or anything like that.

2006-08-21 18:35:40
27.   Disabled List
19 I caught last Sunday's Dodger game (the Maddux-Schmidt-Martin game) on a 56" HD tv at a friend's house. It was absolutely incredible.

We were also flipping to see the HD broadcast of some preseason NFL game on NBC. I don't know if it's because they've been doing it longer or just have better equipment, but ESPN's broadcast was way better. NBC's picture fuzzed a little bit when the camera moved suddenly, and it just seemed less sharp than ESPN. You'll definitely enjoy tonight's game (assuming the Dodgers win; a loss is even worse in HD than it is on standard tv.)

2006-08-21 18:35:41
28.   PDH5204
Don't know how Lugo feels but probably unpleasant. I mean, here are the numbers:

Lugo:
OBP SLG AVG
LAD .317 .296 .241
TBDR .373 .498 .308

Betemit:

LAD .321 .471 .257
AB .344 .497 .281

When some here spoke of regressing, we can see just who is regressing now that Betemit's playing everyday. And he cannot otherwise hit left-handed pitching, so what happens if the Dodgers face Johnson, Santana or Buehrle in the World Series? Any team can otherwise get a very nearly automatic out or remove Betemit from the game by simply bringing in that left-handed reliever with men on base in the late innings.

And Vin and some others wonder why the Dodger's were so lucky to latch onto the Second Coming. To answer Vin and those others, Betemit was never going to take Chipper's place, he's apparently not better than Marcus Giles nor will he be in the forseeable future, and Furcal left, which left the door wide open for him, but instead, the Braves went out and got Edgar "I made 30 errors playing short for the Bosox last year" Renteria. What does that say? And Betemit had been in the Braves organization his entire career, yes? So if anyone knew the player he was capable of becoming it was the Braves, yes? And they signed him at how old again? Did the Braves know something that Ned & Grady didn't? And for a more complete perspective, Giles is arbitration eligible this year, and the word on the street in Braves country is that the Braves might simply let Giles go and have Aybar take over at second. And that, not because because he can hit righties better than Betemit, as he can't, but he can hit lefties at something better than less than a buck. Oh, sorry, one more. For those who said, well, he .240 against lefties on the Braves this year. Yeah, he did. Now go over to the MLB website and go team by team. Betemit either went 1.000 or 0.000, or very nearly so. It was either feast or famine, and he starved against lefties far more than he ate. I will let someone else determine the ERA of the lefties that he did feast against.

And here's why Lugo, at least if the Dodgers would like to win the Series this year:

Yankees [6 games]:

Tropicana Field .385 .333 .333
Yankee Stadium .385 .273 .273
Totals .385 .304 .304

Chisox [3 games]:

Tropicana .308 .385 .308

Detroit [4 games]:

Comerica .368 .529 .294

Boston [8 games]:

Fenway Park .333 .412 .294
Tropicana .389 .533 .267

And no more American League jokes, since the NL is clearly the inferior league, since, among other items, of all NL teams, only the CR and the SFG have a winning record in interleague play.

So, just when I was hoping that we might put thirty some years of futility behind us, I suppose that I stand corrected. Oh, and I don't count '89, since in addition to anything that anyone else might have done, that team doesn't win without Orel that year, and for that year, there was no Orel-substitute [as it were].

In the meantime, for those who study such things, well, based on some BP/Pecota figures, Lugo is supposed to rate as the 5th best shortstop in baseball. He's riding our bench in favor of a guy who can't hit lefthanders and so will never be an everyday player, at least for a team that considers futility a failure.

And for a final word, never ever take a player's performance against your team as being indicative of anything more or other than how he hits against you:

Dodger Stadium .429 .857 .429
Turner Field 1.000 1.000 1.000

So, in 9 AB's versus the LAD, Betemit went:

.556 .889 .556

Lugo will otherwise, well, there are no other comparable shortstops in this year's free agent market, and so while he won't he get Furcal money [only the Dodgers are that stupid], he will get more than he should, somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-23 million over 4 years. BP says he's worth 17 million over 4 years. So call the extra the "I'm the only decent thing" available premium. And as I remarked a while back, he prefers shortstop, but given his arm strength and tendency to be erratic at times, second base is a much better fit. And, again, that's why some other good teams, the Red Sox, the Mets, etc., all wanted to trade for him this year and have him play second base. The problem they each had was one does not get to talk with the other team's players. If they had been able to do so, well, when Lugo was negotiating with the TBDR, he kept coming back to the matter of whether the TBDR truly wanted to win. So that would have been the hook. You can either play short for a long-term loser like the TBDR, or you can play second for a winner. I was hoping that management here would have the smarts to do so, but as I said, I suppose that I now stand corrected.

For one last word re regression, well, our friends at BP expected Lugo to regress after his 2005 season, which was well above their prediction. Not only did he not regress this year, his .295 BA was up to .308, his .362 OBP was up to .373, and his .403 SLG was up to .498. According to fans of the TBDR, the explanation for the absence of the regression is simply that, like Koufax, Lugo found it, and he found in the latter half of the 2004 season and hasn't been the same player since. I'll will otherwise leave it to the numbers people to notify BP that statistics don't apply so well to human future performance, given that machines and other things mechanical cannot improve themselves on a permament basis while humans can. Well, tell them that, and also that only the fool thinks that human improvement constitutes a "statistical anomaly."

And, hey, if the "we don't know how to build a long-term winner" Dodgers management wants to get bench and then get rid of a guy who was outperforming Betemit in a league with superior pitching, and that with the guy having to face all pitchers while Betemit far more often than not sat against your more sinister pitchers, well, I suppose that it's their money and their tradition, so if they want to waste and trash the same, so be it.

2006-08-21 18:36:06
29.   Bluebleeder87
hey Bob did you learn any Japanes while in Japan?
2006-08-21 18:41:52
30.   Bluebleeder87
What kind of non-cheating scores are people getting on that reaction time test?

there was a guy that got .156 i don't know if he cheated or not, i got a .170 something.(i had 3 beers when i posted that mark) so i guess go from there.

2006-08-21 18:42:11
31.   Bob Timmermann
27
I watched UCLA lose to Florida on a huge HDTV. It was a highly-defined loss by the Bruins.

29
No.

2006-08-21 18:43:54
32.   dzzrtRatt
30 I did hit .109, .113, and .125. But my average was more like .190.
2006-08-21 18:44:05
33.   natepurcell
some responses to 28

1. I like how the Betemit bashing comes out when he is in his mini-slump. where was all of this when he was hitting well?

2. Even though Betemit is struggling right now, he is still hitting beter as a Dodger then Lugo.

3. Who is likely to improve? a 30 yr old lugo or a 24/26 yr old Betemit?

4. Who is likely to be kept by the Dodgers? Betemit or Lugo?

2-4 are the reasons why Betemit is playing and Lugo is not.

And if we are going to use the "the braves know what they had in Betemit and they gave him away" argument, can't we use the same for the dodgers and Aybar? Dodgers have traded away jackson, tiffany, navarro and others and they are not performing at expectation levels.

2006-08-21 18:44:07
34.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds tied the Astros 3-3 on a 3-run homer by Rich Aurilia in the 8th.
2006-08-21 18:44:09
35.   Fearing Blue
For everyone's reading pleasure, here is the commentary on tonight's game from www.tvguide.com:

"With former Dodgers slugger Gary Sheffield doing his thing for the Braves, L.A.'s offense now centers around Shawn Green. The graceful right fielder has been compared to Joe DiMaggio and the Yankee Clipper would surely applaud the franchise-record 49 homers Green hit last year. As for the Padres, the snap, crackle and pop in their lineup comes from right fielder Ryan Klesko and first baseman Phil Nevin, who showed he's becoming better with age by slamming a career-best 41 homers last year."

I hope you all are doing well. I keep reading even though I don't have time to post. I finished the first of my two Ph.D. qualifying exams this afternoon, which went well, but the next one is on Friday and it's my worst subject. Fortunately, I'm going to take the evening off, have a beer, and watch the Dodgers spank the Padres, so life is good for now.

2006-08-21 18:45:38
36.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, TV Guide, you're always so informative.
2006-08-21 18:46:30
37.   still bevens
22 I think Fox Sports is broadcasting some college footbal games in HD, and thats why its listed as such.

The new Time Warner regime is not in my good graces. Comcast was wheeling out a massive amount of On Demand content, which was just great. Now instead of 50-100 free random, yet quality movies (Back to School, anyone?) there only seems to be a handful of 'Turner Classic Movies'. Boo.(Unless Im mentally incapable of using the remote, which would make this an Andy Rooney-esque rant)

2006-08-21 18:48:17
38.   dzzrtRatt
28 Thanks for all that pro-Lugo data. It does seem like an article of faith around here that Lugo = Hendrickson, Hall, Baez or Carter; but I think he was a terrific "win-now" acquisition, worth the risk that Guzman might overcome whatever kept him from making it big this season.

He will not be back next season, unless Kent or Furcal suffer a catastrophic injury between now and the end of the year. But rent-a-player has its place, and we will get draft picks for losing him. I wouldn't have thought we were buyers on the July market, but if you start from the assumption that Ned was going to make moves, the moves he made were pretty good.

2006-08-21 18:48:52
39.   Bluebleeder87
I'm getting about .22. But I wouldn't call myself athletically gifted or anything like that.

don't feel bad, you have to bring in to consideration your internet speed, mouse quality & so forth.

2006-08-21 18:49:13
40.   Bob Timmermann
Royce Clayton drives in the go-ahead run and the Reds lead 4-3 going to the 9th against Houston.
2006-08-21 18:49:31
41.   natepurcell
This little league game better end at 7.
2006-08-21 18:50:08
42.   Jon Weisman
Good to hear from you, FB. Wish you the best. And Betemit too.
2006-08-21 18:50:42
43.   Greg Brock
31 You know, you could bring up a positive UCLA memory once in a while. First you drop the Maddox loss on Saturday, now you bring up UCLA vs. Noah. Nice birthday present, Bob.

Tyus Edney. 4.8 seconds. That is all.

2006-08-21 18:50:45
44.   Big Game
41. isnt it on channel 9? i hope so, im stuck at work with no cable.
2006-08-21 18:51:08
45.   natepurcell
good job Oregon. Now close it out.
2006-08-21 18:51:44
46.   Steve
The Red Sox knew what they had in Jeff Bagwell.
2006-08-21 18:52:00
47.   natepurcell
44

I am not in the southern california area and for some reason, San Diego games are blacked out on mlb.tv

2006-08-21 18:52:27
48.   Bluebleeder87
But my average was more like .190.

my best average was .170 something.

2006-08-21 18:54:25
49.   Big Game
44. oh bummer.

i remember you mentioning curl up and die on here before...you a friend of theirs?

2006-08-21 18:54:43
50.   Disabled List
44 I'm stuck with no cable too. The ESPN2 broadcast probably means that MLB.tv is blacked out.

Looks like it's Gameday for me tonight. GRRRR.

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2006-08-21 18:55:19
51.   Greg S
And the A's knew what they had in Andre Ethier.
2006-08-21 18:55:21
52.   Bob Timmermann
Schoeneweis gets the save for the Reds.
2006-08-21 18:56:22
53.   natepurcell
49

by friend, you mean obsessed with that band, then yes we are "friends".

I cried when they broke up last year since ive been following them and their progression as a band since 1999.

2006-08-21 18:56:49
54.   Steve
51 -- exactly.
2006-08-21 18:57:08
55.   Big Game
53. oh wow. i worked at their label. the singer is a huge giants fan. we battle back and forth to this day...
2006-08-21 18:57:34
56.   Bluebleeder87
51

the Dodgers didn't know what they had in Pedro.

2006-08-21 18:57:36
57.   dzzrtRatt
Also, Betemit is not supposed to be Mr. Right forever. Just til LaRoche.

Comparing NL West third base acquisitions, I'm much happier with Betemit over Shea Hillenbrand or Todd Walker.

2006-08-21 18:58:05
58.   Disabled List
38 I'd rather have Joel Guzman than two months of a utility infielder and some vague draft picks that will take years to develop.

The Lugo trade was completely unnecessary, so far. If Nomar or Kent go down with an injury again, we'll be glad to have him. But right now, that trade sucks.

2006-08-21 18:59:39
59.   natepurcell
55

which one? revelation or status?

2006-08-21 18:59:58
60.   Steve
Everybody knows what they have at the point they have it. They may not know what they're going to have, but who could?
2006-08-21 19:00:49
61.   Big Game
59. Revelation. I did A&R for them for almost two years...put together their last record, which im really proud of.
2006-08-21 19:02:09
62.   natepurcell
the singer is a huge giants fan.

he was a cool dude when i talked to him at the shows. Although now knowing that he is a giants fan certainly brings him down a level in my book.

2006-08-21 19:02:43
63.   Bob Timmermann
Doesn't it always seem to go that you don't know what you had until it's gone?

Hey, they're a big taxi outside!

2006-08-21 19:03:02
64.   Greg S
I hate life.
The stupid HD ESPN game is blacked out because it is on locally on 9. So if I wasn't in LA I could watch it in HD. Oh the irony.
2006-08-21 19:04:35
65.   natepurcell
61

wow, that is awesome. My buddy interned at revelation a while ago, summer of 2002 or 2003, can't remember. I really like the direction they were going with in their last/new album (although i can basically listen to all 5 anytime). the artwork and packaging was rad too. Why did it have to end :(

2006-08-21 19:04:55
66.   Jon Weisman
And to think all I did was point out that Betemit had had a few off games.
2006-08-21 19:05:08
67.   StolenMonkey86
Oregon wins
2006-08-21 19:05:20
68.   Greg S
Here's a fun questions for late August...
If the Dodgers get to the World Series, who throws out the first pitch at home game #1? Gibson? Hershiser?
My pick is Gagne.
2006-08-21 19:05:44
69.   natepurcell
Do you still work at revelation? If not, what do you do now? If that was not too personal to ask :)
2006-08-21 19:06:05
70.   Bob Timmermann
66
There are no innocuous comments on Dodger Thoughts.
2006-08-21 19:07:19
71.   Bluebleeder87
Everybody knows what they have at the point they have it. They may not know what they're going to have, but who could?

i'm confused.

2006-08-21 19:07:22
72.   Bob Timmermann
68

Why don't you go off and whistle in your own graveyard while you're at it?

If you need to, you can come by and use my graveyard.

2006-08-21 19:07:28
73.   Big Game
62. actually, he's a great person to talk about baseball or comics with regardless of the giants affiliation...
2006-08-21 19:08:27
74.   Steve
If you need to, you can come by and use my graveyard.

Effigy-free since 1995.

2006-08-21 19:09:22
75.   Nagman
64 - I don't know very many people with ESPN2-HD on cable (sounds like DirecTV carries it).

I will be watching tonight's game in HD on San Diego 4HD, which carries every Padre home game, as well as most of their west coast games, in HD. It's a nice alternative when I'm not watching the Dodgers.

2006-08-21 19:10:46
76.   Big Game
69. I no longer work at Revelation.I opened a record shop and work at a live music venue, which is where I am watching the game right now. Im leaving this to return to a career in high end retail fashion which will fund the start of my own label.
2006-08-21 19:11:18
77.   Bob Timmermann
75

Ooh, Matt Vasgersian in HD....

2006-08-21 19:11:19
78.   Steve
By the way, hi FB.
2006-08-21 19:11:26
79.   Jim Ignatowski
Anyone paying attention to the Toronto pitcher and manager getting into a fight tonight in the 3rd inning?

Manager shoved the pitcher and got a bloody nose in return.

Apologies to Hillenbrand due?

2006-08-21 19:11:44
80.   Nagman
Stauffer's '06 Triple-A numbers are not very good.
2006-08-21 19:11:56
81.   natepurcell
76

Which shop, which venue? I live in orange county but i go to school in Tucson.

2006-08-21 19:12:30
82.   Big Game
65. I loved the last album, but the drummer is way too smart to waste his time being in a band, so he went to grad school. The production on that record is impeccible considering they did it in two weeks. Alex Newport is a genius.
2006-08-21 19:12:44
83.   natepurcell
dont slap it please
2006-08-21 19:12:53
84.   Bob Timmermann
79
I was.

https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/482190.html

2006-08-21 19:13:26
85.   Eric Enders
68 "If the Dodgers get to the World Series, who throws out the first pitch at home game #1? Gibson? Hershiser?"
-----

You can count Gibson out since he currently wears the uniform of the team that would be our most likely opponent.

Hershiser would be good. Tommy would be an obvious choice for most but might make me retch. Maybe Koufax?

Russell Sr. on saxophone for the anthem goes without saying.

2006-08-21 19:13:36
86.   Greg S
72 I'm whistling but there's no graveyard. Not even any sickness. Sorry, I forget that other are superstitious. I would hope we could discuss the word "postseason" without people hiding under their desks.
2006-08-21 19:14:03
87.   Eric L
Steve..

I'm hating your old state of residence tonight. I'm in Cedar City this evening and the silly liquor laws are preventing me from having a beer before I crash out tonight!

2006-08-21 19:14:03
88.   Big Game
81. The glasshouse is the venue and the store is called the glasshouse record store. its small, but we try to choose our stock wisely.
2006-08-21 19:14:37
89.   Bob Timmermann
86
I don't hide under my desk.

I curl up in the fetal position.

2006-08-21 19:14:37
90.   natepurcell
82

so thats why they stopped it? because the drummer left the band? I never actually heard the real reason. They couldn't have gotten a new drummer!??! bah.

2006-08-21 19:15:11
91.   Bluebleeder87
Manager shoved the pitcher and got a bloody nose in return.

wow

2006-08-21 19:15:39
92.   Steve
87 -- Now, Eric, if one guy in Ogden can stack up 80,000 beer cans in his apartment, I'm sure you can find one lousy 3.2% alcohol beer.
2006-08-21 19:15:47
93.   StolenMonkey86
that makes me uneasy that Nomar had the longest at bat of the night already
2006-08-21 19:16:15
94.   natepurcell
81.

thats rad! i actually went to the glasshouse this summer for the appleseed cast/russian circles show. Russian Circles stole the show by the way, insanely awesome live.

2006-08-21 19:16:42
95.   Jon Weisman
Bob is really going to get a complex at this rate.
2006-08-21 19:17:25
96.   Eric Enders
Hey, I read the Griddle on a daily basis and it's awesome. Just so you know Bob.
2006-08-21 19:17:25
97.   Eric L
85 Unless Russell Sr. appears on American Idol anytime soon, I doubt that Fox would let him do the anthem at the first WS (game 3) at Dodger Stadium.
2006-08-21 19:17:33
98.   Greg S
85 Good point about Gibson. And Orel might be covering it for ESPN. I hope it wouldn't be Tommy. Actually, I'd choose Vinny but he'd never do it.
2006-08-21 19:17:51
99.   Bluebleeder87
i'm really liking Bills (see what he did on the mound)
2006-08-21 19:18:24
100.   StolenMonkey86
99 - I missed that
Show/Hide Comments 101-150
2006-08-21 19:18:34
101.   Dodger Hill
So which version of Billingsley will show up tonight?
2006-08-21 19:18:44
102.   Bob Timmermann
To be fair, the John Gibbons post was up for about 20 minutes before 79

But I got two comments from people right away, which was unusual.

2006-08-21 19:19:23
103.   Eric L
92 I didn't want a drink that bad, but the stupid rule that you have to have a food item on your ticket in a bar made me mad.
2006-08-21 19:19:35
104.   natepurcell
Why do I get insane knots in my stomach everytime Chad pitches?
2006-08-21 19:19:49
105.   Bluebleeder87
that makes me uneasy that Nomar had the longest at bat of the night already

it's all a matter of time before we get to the Padres pitcher.

2006-08-21 19:20:19
106.   Disabled List
WOO-HOO!!! The game isn't blacked out on MLB.tv!

It's the San Diego broadcast, and I can tell it's in HD. Although not on my computer screen. Oh well, low-definition Dodgers is better than no Dodgers.

2006-08-21 19:21:03
107.   StolenMonkey86
Chad Billingsley just had a 9 pitch inning
2006-08-21 19:21:22
108.   Bluebleeder87
100

the Padres pitcher wrote the #54 on the mound & Bills scratched it out with his cliets.

2006-08-21 19:21:27
109.   Big Game
94.

the thing is that they felt the band wouldnt be the same without a key piece..i was honestly surprised they made it to the end of the recording.

2006-08-21 19:21:30
110.   Johnson
That strike three curve to Giles was just nasty.
2006-08-21 19:21:45
111.   Eric Enders
97 Yeah, I suppose Fox controls that, not the team.

So then it will probably be "Sony Recording artist and multiplatinum seller [insert name of really lame singer here]."

2006-08-21 19:22:10
112.   natepurcell
Hummer has a car that can average 20 MPG!??!!
2006-08-21 19:22:54
113.   natepurcell
i was honestly surprised they made it to the end of the recording.

wow, so the breakup thing was stirring for a long time eh.

2006-08-21 19:23:22
114.   Icaros
Watching Billingsley strike out Giles on three perfect pitches in High Definition was an image of Heaven.
2006-08-21 19:24:26
115.   bhsportsguy
112 Carpenter or Keller?
2006-08-21 19:24:30
116.   Bluebleeder87
i'm liking Drews swing alot more these days, even though he made an out.
2006-08-21 19:25:11
117.   Bluebleeder87
That strike three curve to Giles was just nasty.

cartoonish.

2006-08-21 19:25:21
118.   Big Game
113. ill just say it wasnt surprising.
2006-08-21 19:25:45
119.   Greg S
114 Yeah, yeah. Keep it to yourself. ; >
Where are you that you can see it?
2006-08-21 19:26:48
120.   Bluebleeder87
Stauffer is pitching o.k. but i still like our chances.
2006-08-21 19:27:55
121.   Nagman
108 - The Padres ground crew has been scrawling the starting pitcher's number on the back of the mound. On the last visit, I think it was Bills first MLB start, Kent scratched it out.
2006-08-21 19:28:09
122.   Linkmeister
I'm not getting the game on ESPN2; instead I'm getting ESPNews. Is that a local cable problem or are others having the same thing happen?
2006-08-21 19:28:13
123.   Icaros
119

Sorry. I'm at home.

2006-08-21 19:29:38
124.   Travis
Ugly, ugly collision between Chase Utley and Aaron Rowand in Chicago tonight. Rowand just left the game, holding his wrist.
2006-08-21 19:29:59
125.   Greg S
It's blocked in LA. I'm guessing Icaros' home is not in LA.
2006-08-21 19:30:27
126.   Bluebleeder87
dude i swear those pitches to Piazza were beautiful.(pitchers pitches)
2006-08-21 19:31:25
127.   Linkmeister
I'm in freakin' Hawai'i! It shouldn't be blocked here!
2006-08-21 19:31:54
128.   Greg S
Bills is just pounding the strike zone like no other start, so far.
2006-08-21 19:32:16
129.   StolenMonkey86
another 9 pitch inning for Billingsley!
2006-08-21 19:32:17
130.   natepurcell
Maybe that last start gave Chad some confidence.
2006-08-21 19:32:23
131.   Bluebleeder87
great out side curve to the padres hitter to end the inning.
2006-08-21 19:32:41
132.   Jon Weisman
Chad looks great!
2006-08-21 19:32:50
133.   natepurcell
That backdoor slider was Saito nasty.
2006-08-21 19:32:58
134.   Icaros
I'm in the heart of enemy territory.
2006-08-21 19:32:59
135.   Dodger Hill
Chad seems to be on his game tonight
2006-08-21 19:33:04
136.   Jim Ignatowski
Utley and Rowland in a brutal collision. Rowland down. Now out of game with help from teammates.
2006-08-21 19:33:43
137.   Johnson
127 I'm in freakin' Hawai'i! It shouldn't be blocked here!

You're in Hawai'i and you're complaining about a blocked baseball game? I'd tell you to get your priorities straight, but it is the Dodgers.

2006-08-21 19:33:58
138.   D4P
Sorry. I'm at home

With a bunch of crazy drunk girls...?

2006-08-21 19:35:04
139.   dzzrtRatt
My brother, a Giant fan, is in SD and at the game tonight with business associates. He's already basically conceded the season -- his view is this year's Giant team is selfish b/c so many players are in walk years. I'm glad he's seeing Bills tonight. He'll haunt my brother's nightmares for years.
2006-08-21 19:35:51
140.   Bluebleeder87
either the padres 2nd baseman has a great arm or Betemit runs slow
2006-08-21 19:35:55
141.   Eric Enders
124, 136 Rowand gets a lot of credit from Phils fans for his toughness. But I guess now we know who is tougher between him and Russell Martin.
2006-08-21 19:36:11
142.   Big Game
we have a really nice samsung in the store that gets hd over the air. the world cup was brilliant in here.
2006-08-21 19:38:19
143.   Disabled List
This game is just rolling right along. I might be able to get to sleep before 1 am for a change.

Last night's Yanks-Sox game did a number on my sleep cycle.

2006-08-21 19:38:47
144.   Linkmeister
137 Well, I've lived here for a long time; the novelty's worn off.

This is really annoying. And trying to get a human being at the other end of the phone at TW Oceanic Cable is farcical.

2006-08-21 19:38:54
145.   CanuckDodger
What is the velocity on Billingsley's fastball tonight? I have heard it said that he always gets higher radar readings on the road, suggesting that the gun at DS is slow.
2006-08-21 19:40:40
146.   StolenMonkey86
that one just hit 93
2006-08-21 19:41:32
147.   Icaros
With a bunch of crazy drunk girls...?

No way.

Last time my cable got kicked out and I ended up missing two-and-a-half games.

2006-08-21 19:41:40
148.   Bluebleeder87
What is the velocity on Billingsley's fastball tonight?

from what i've seen it's toping out at 94-95.

2006-08-21 19:42:11
149.   StolenMonkey86
94 on the 1-1 to Barfield
2006-08-21 19:42:52
150.   Travis
144 I think Hawaii is considered Dodgers, Angels, Giants, A's, AND Mariners territory, so you might be out of luck tonight.
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2006-08-21 19:44:12
151.   Bluebleeder87
IMO some of those pitches that Chad is throwing are strikes but Ted Barret thinks other wise.
2006-08-21 19:44:16
152.   Gen3Blue
Bills looking a bit wild here.
2006-08-21 19:44:58
153.   Linkmeister
We usually get Dodgers games when they're on ESPN with no trouble. If I could get through to a programming phone number at the cable people I'd raise the devil.

It wouldn't be so bad if they'd just tell you, "Sorry; blacked out. Why don't you move?" or something.

2006-08-21 19:45:11
154.   Disabled List
151 I was thinking the same thing.
2006-08-21 19:45:23
155.   Jerry
151 - I concur.
2006-08-21 19:45:31
156.   Travis
153 Dodger games other than Sunday night?
2006-08-21 19:45:55
157.   Jerry
152 - I dissent.
2006-08-21 19:45:58
158.   King of the Hobos
Billingsley is now our only beardless starter. Hopefully we can fix this problem in the near future.
2006-08-21 19:46:59
159.   Linkmeister
156 Yeah. This is unusual, or I wouldn't be raising a fuss.
2006-08-21 19:47:43
160.   Bluebleeder87
Giles isn't seeing Bills pitches that well (you can tell by his swings)
2006-08-21 19:48:53
161.   StolenMonkey86
That would be Bills #1.
2006-08-21 19:49:27
162.   natepurcell
158

speaking of beards, i'm sporting a new clean cut beard look and i saw some girls i know that i havent seen in a while and one of them was like, "nate you look really good, different. I think its the beard, you look more rugged."

best. compliment. ever.

2006-08-21 19:49:40
163.   Dodger Hill
Nice, very nice
2006-08-21 19:51:56
164.   Terry A
Well, Nate, I hate to tell you this, but you really screwed up there by failing to immediately launch into Dodger prospect talk.

Girls lo-o-o-o-o-ove them some Dodger farm talk. Drives. Them. Wild.

2006-08-21 19:52:16
165.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal first pitch swing hits it to the short stop.
2006-08-21 19:53:14
166.   Dodger Hill
You'd think they'd be teeing off a emergency starter. Guess not.
2006-08-21 19:53:19
167.   Bluebleeder87
164

nate is a show off when it comes to that.

2006-08-21 19:53:38
168.   Paul Scott
Stauffer is not this good. In fact, he's pretty much terrible. I hope we remember that soon.
2006-08-21 19:53:57
169.   Bluebleeder87
You'd think they'd be teeing off a emergency starter. Guess not.

matter of time buddy.

2006-08-21 19:54:06
170.   natepurcell
164

Yea I know, vast knowledge of the Dodgers top 30 prospects immediately sends girls into a euphoric seizure.

2006-08-21 19:55:06
171.   Bob Timmermann
I remember back in 1984 when I got a date with a girl when I said "I know something about Ed Amelung."
2006-08-21 19:55:29
172.   natepurcell
Where is Saipan?
2006-08-21 19:55:39
173.   Steve
Jerry would you get Eric a beer please?
2006-08-21 19:55:45
174.   Disabled List
The guys are swinging at some bad pitches tonight.
2006-08-21 19:56:09
175.   overkill94
While the voting for the text question of the game will obviously end up being Grady Little...is it really far-fetched? Narron would have to be his main competition due to the performances he's getting out of Hatteberg, Aurilia, Phillips, etc. but his team is still mediocre. Randolph has too much talent on his team to be a true contender, but the east coast bias might come into play in the end. Don't you think the blend of rookies and veterans along with an effective patchwork bullpen put Little over the top?
2006-08-21 19:56:18
176.   Bob Timmermann
172

Look at a map in the big blue part between the North America and Asia.

2006-08-21 19:57:26
177.   Bluebleeder87
171

i remember getting a date because i stroke out 16 batters to win our state championship in jalisco.

2006-08-21 19:57:48
178.   natepurcell
I have never heard of Saipan until I started seeing that name on the sports ticker on espn.
2006-08-21 19:58:03
179.   Jerry
173 - Where've you been?
2006-08-21 19:58:18
180.   StolenMonkey86
Gagne looked like he was squinting. Does he need to put his goggles on?
2006-08-21 19:59:43
181.   Eric L
173 Thanks for the concern Steve.. it's probably a good thing that I didn't get a beer tonight. I'm somewhat tired from my crazy trip and all the driving that I've been doing.
2006-08-21 19:59:50
182.   Bob Timmermann
Saipan:

http://tinyurl.com/ls2n9

2006-08-21 20:00:05
183.   Jerry
173 - I can grab one and meet Eric half way--say, Beaver.
2006-08-21 20:00:24
184.   Bluebleeder87
Micheal Piazza dons't know that pitcher that well, so he gets a passed ball.(i know theres a counter point to that but i'm a Piazza fan)
2006-08-21 20:00:34
185.   natepurcell
lol I cant believe Kent swung at that pitch.
2006-08-21 20:00:37
186.   StolenMonkey86
Kent comes through
2006-08-21 20:00:38
187.   Greg S
175 I really can't ever remember watching so much of a season and never really disagreeing (at least not strongly) with a move. I think Grady has done a fantastic job. I even like the way he deals with the press. He's not loud enough to get noticed but that's all the more reason to like him.
2006-08-21 20:00:54
188.   Gen3Blue
Thank god I woke up to the D's on ESPN2 at 10:15 back east. Cause I often know the humiliation of Gameday.
I picked up a diff. feeling off Bills tonight. Whereas earlier it felt like he wouldn't throw strikes, tonight he seemed to have a spell where he couldn't throw strikes. Happens to everyone, hope he is through it.
I couldn't disgree more.(w/ announcer).
I don't think deadline trades had anything to do with Dodger turn around except for Maddox. It was Colleti's willingness to try youngsters.
2006-08-21 20:01:39
189.   Disabled List
Boy, when things are going good, they're going good.
2006-08-21 20:01:42
190.   Paul Scott
Looks like they are starting to remember.
2006-08-21 20:02:04
191.   Terry A
Is 183 a site violation, or do I need to brush up on my West Coast geography?
2006-08-21 20:02:13
192.   Bluebleeder87
184

Piazza says thank you to his godfather Tommy & we score 2 runs on his passed ball.

2006-08-21 20:03:01
193.   Steve
Lugo is not playing tonight so there is no reason for excessive alcohol abuse.
2006-08-21 20:03:47
194.   natepurcell
lets play a game. for every strike billingsley throws, you have to take a swig.
2006-08-21 20:04:55
195.   King of the Hobos
By my count, we have a rather impressive 68% beard/mustache count. The beardless ones are Billingsley, Broxton, Saito, Lofton, Ethier, Saenz, Dessens (I think, it's been too long since I've seen him), and Martin (who is clean shaven currently, but has had a beard recently). I believe if every Dodger grew some facial hair, we'd have a guarunteed playoff spot, so those 8 players better start growing a beard.
2006-08-21 20:05:46
196.   Greg S
194
Earlier in the year, you'd wind up sober as a heart attack. Tonight you might wind up drunk as a skunk.
2006-08-21 20:06:27
197.   Bluebleeder87
194

i'm all ready at my 7th so no thanks (work tomorrow)

2006-08-21 20:07:19
198.   natepurcell
196

the unpredictability of this game is what makes it interesting.

and besides, if billingsley throws strikes, we are most likely to win anyways so then there would be a reason to be loaded.

2006-08-21 20:07:36
199.   StolenMonkey86
195 - I want to see Grady grow a beard
2006-08-21 20:07:36
200.   Disabled List
194, 196 I'm already on my 2nd beer of the night. I'll take you guys up on that.
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2006-08-21 20:08:17
201.   Gen3Blue
Is that Jerry Mathers?
2006-08-21 20:08:23
202.   Bluebleeder87
Bills has him set up for a curve.
2006-08-21 20:09:00
203.   Bluebleeder87
another fastball but it gets the job done.
2006-08-21 20:09:22
204.   Steve
Simply more grist for billingsley's hall of fame reel.
2006-08-21 20:10:58
205.   Terry A
They re-opened the grist wing? Cool.
2006-08-21 20:11:22
206.   bhsportsguy
Nate, what was that pitch that struck out Cameron.
2006-08-21 20:11:32
207.   Bluebleeder87
Bills blows it past Cameron 2 down.
2006-08-21 20:12:16
208.   natepurcell
206

cut fastball.

anything with a wrinkle and cameron is helpless.

2006-08-21 20:12:18
209.   bhsportsguy
Who is doing the game for ESPN?
2006-08-21 20:12:39
210.   StolenMonkey86
206 - the ESPN guy said it was a cutter
2006-08-21 20:12:43
211.   Bob Timmermann
I'm on my first Diet Coke this evening. I'm not counting the ones I had at lunch.

Congrats to das411 for the Phillies making it to .500! You know what the Phillies need to get the wild card? They need a good right fielder.

2006-08-21 20:13:11
212.   Bluebleeder87
Gonzalez gets a good hit off of Bills men at 3rd & 2nd with Blum at the bat.
2006-08-21 20:13:16
213.   bhsportsguy
Gonzalez is the one guy in the lineup that worries me.
2006-08-21 20:13:47
214.   Steve
I'm more surprised that they have internet in cedar city than anything else.
2006-08-21 20:15:10
215.   StolenMonkey86
what was that? He was on Oakland in 88 and 89!
2006-08-21 20:15:11
216.   Bluebleeder87
Bases are loaded know with Barfield at the bat.
2006-08-21 20:15:59
217.   Bluebleeder87
by the way Nate was right it was a wrinkle to strike out Cameron, but I went by what Vinnie said.
2006-08-21 20:16:42
218.   trainwreck
Lame!
2006-08-21 20:16:55
219.   StolenMonkey86
bah!
2006-08-21 20:17:34
220.   Bluebleeder87
2-1 Dodgers on a passed ball.
2006-08-21 20:18:14
221.   Bluebleeder87
i swear that inning was "interesting" to say the least.
2006-08-21 20:18:15
222.   Eric L
214 It's the best connection I've had all trip. Cedar City is probably the biggest city we've stayed in.
2006-08-21 20:18:24
223.   StolenMonkey86
take it. Still up, pitch count of 72 through 4 for Billingsley.
2006-08-21 20:18:50
224.   overkill94
I don't remember any other games this year where wild pitches and/or passed balls had so much of a direct outcome on scoring in a game.
2006-08-21 20:18:55
225.   Disabled List
That was worse than Reggie Jackson sticking his hip out!
2006-08-21 20:19:45
226.   Nagman
That was typical Padre offense. They went nearly the entire Giant series (4 games) without a hit w/RISP. I think they finally got one in the ninth inning of the final game and it didn't even score the runner, and Barfield followed with a grand slam.
2006-08-21 20:20:38
227.   Travis
224 Did you see any of the games where Josh Bard caught Wakefield?
2006-08-21 20:21:24
228.   overkill94
223 I'll take 6 solid from Chad tonight. Beimel/Tomko for the 7th and 8th and Broxton to close it out if necessary?
2006-08-21 20:21:33
229.   Bluebleeder87
take it. Still up, pitch count of 72 through 4 for Billingsley.

once Bills trust his stuff forget about it.

2006-08-21 20:21:47
230.   natepurcell
Betemit was pretty close there.
2006-08-21 20:22:12
231.   Steve
222 - stay an extra day and see the Shakespeare festival. Illiterate knuckleheads like me don't worry much about that sort of thing, but you seem a man of culture.
2006-08-21 20:22:26
232.   Uncle Miltie
speaking of beards, i'm sporting a new clean cut beard look and i saw some girls i know that i havent seen in a while and one of them was like, "nate you look really good, different. I think its the beard, you look more rugged."
Haha, same thing happened to me when I was in high school. Now most of the girls I know hate beards. Right now I'm completely clean shaven :( I'm a closet beard lover.

Really not in a great situation right now, play beer pong or watch the rest of the Dodgers game. I have class tomorrow at 11. I'll probably wait until the game is over.

2006-08-21 20:22:47
233.   Bob Timmermann
224
Didn't you watch Friday's Dodgers game?
2006-08-21 20:23:33
234.   overkill94
227 Sure didn't, but I was mostly thinking about Dodger games.

I wish those games hadn't happened though, the Padres might have lost another game or two the way Bard's been playing for them.

2006-08-21 20:23:53
235.   Uncle Miltie
I'm on my first Diet Coke this evening. I'm not counting the ones I had at lunch.
Living dangerously, Bob
2006-08-21 20:24:09
236.   natepurcell
Even though Chad is really athletic, he can't hit. So Grady, stop trying to make Chad hit and run.
2006-08-21 20:24:26
237.   Bluebleeder87
Hit & Run missed with Bills batting.
2006-08-21 20:25:03
238.   Bluebleeder87
why would you do a hit & run with a pitcher??
2006-08-21 20:25:23
239.   Disabled List
Well, Piazza needed to improve his CS percentage anyway.
2006-08-21 20:25:27
240.   overkill94
233 Actually, I was getting a temporary crown installed for one of my front teeth. Strangely, the temporary tooth seems to shift back and forth a little bit. Is that something I should be worried about?
2006-08-21 20:25:48
241.   bhsportsguy
With Piazza catching, the odds are probably better with Martin trying to steal than having Chad bunt.
2006-08-21 20:25:49
242.   Bob Timmermann
More updates on Gibbons vs. Lilly at the Griddle.
2006-08-21 20:26:05
243.   Bluebleeder87
I'm on my first Diet Coke this evening. I'm not counting the ones I had at lunch.

*burp*

2006-08-21 20:26:59
244.   Eric L
231 Culture or no culture, I miss my own bed. And being able to go to the 7-11 to grab a beer when necessary. If I'm feeling super-cultured, I'll grab a Corona. On a less cultured evening, Icehouse will do.
2006-08-21 20:27:19
245.   Greg S
211 Don't know about you Bob but I drink the caffeinated DC's until about 5:00 and then switch to the unleaded ones.
I know, I know. That's just how I role.
2006-08-21 20:27:46
246.   StolenMonkey86
238 - and a catcher
2006-08-21 20:28:14
247.   natepurcell
I also have made the switch to diet coke about a little over a year ago.
2006-08-21 20:28:49
248.   Greg S
er.. roll.
2006-08-21 20:29:35
249.   Bob Timmermann
245
I can drink a large amount of caffeine and still fall asleep. Such is the life of a person who has take epilepsy medication.
2006-08-21 20:30:09
250.   natepurcell
Dave Roberts is Eckstein annoying.
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2006-08-21 20:30:12
251.   StolenMonkey86
This is why Colletti wants a team of tall people.
2006-08-21 20:30:51
252.   Bluebleeder87
on 1 out Roberts hits it over Furcal's head, Roberts & 1st with 1 out & Giles at the bat.
2006-08-21 20:32:21
253.   natepurcell
Martin should have had him. bad throw.
2006-08-21 20:32:26
254.   StolenMonkey86
Furcal woulda had him if he was a lefty.
2006-08-21 20:33:35
255.   overkill94
Nice little extended strike zone on that strikeout.
2006-08-21 20:33:42
256.   natepurcell
haha, thanks Teddy.
2006-08-21 20:34:00
257.   Steve
Once you've done a hit and run with Oscar robles the sky's the limit.
2006-08-21 20:34:16
258.   Bluebleeder87
Giles can't read Bills fastball & strikes out.
2006-08-21 20:34:26
259.   Disabled List
Billz gets the benefit of a bad call there.
2006-08-21 20:34:35
260.   Bob Timmermann
Coming into this season:

David Eckstein's OPS+ - 89
Dave Roberts's OPS+ - 90

2006-08-21 20:35:33
261.   Bob Timmermann
260

The - was just for appearance's sake. They don't have negative OPSs.

2006-08-21 20:36:20
262.   natepurcell
260

thanks for confirming my suspicions Bob.

2006-08-21 20:36:32
263.   Steve
The pitches in that game where billingsley walked seven guys were much closer.
2006-08-21 20:36:58
264.   StolenMonkey86
DJ!
2006-08-21 20:36:58
265.   overkill94
and to think I thought Drew was a good outfielder
2006-08-21 20:36:59
266.   trainwreck
Drew should have had that one.
2006-08-21 20:37:07
267.   Bluebleeder87
Drew can't make the catch, if i wear him i woulda dove!!!!!!!!
2006-08-21 20:37:10
268.   natepurcell
how can drew not catch that?
2006-08-21 20:37:31
269.   StolenMonkey86
stupid DJ Tanner
2006-08-21 20:37:58
270.   Disabled List
How does Drew miss that?
2006-08-21 20:38:00
271.   Greg S
See, that's why they put the spaz kids in right field.
2006-08-21 20:38:02
272.   Bluebleeder87
i get disapointed @ Drew sometimes.
2006-08-21 20:38:31
273.   bhsportsguy
Drew should have caught the ball but it is one of those balls that can be lost in lights.
2006-08-21 20:39:30
274.   natepurcell
losing a ball in the lights was not in his 5yr 55 mil contract.
2006-08-21 20:39:43
275.   Bluebleeder87
Drews bad knee fell asleep in the cold weather of S.D.
2006-08-21 20:39:43
276.   stubbs
If JD Drew played football or perhaps was a big man in the NBA, he would be described as "soft".
2006-08-21 20:40:44
277.   Bluebleeder87
i'm thinking the Dodgers a do for a good inning.
2006-08-21 20:42:40
278.   StolenMonkey86
just not the 6th
2006-08-21 20:42:42
279.   natepurcell
I thought Walker was suppose to suck?

Come on Todd, start sucking.

2006-08-21 20:44:00
280.   King of the Hobos
Hanrahan had a tough game after 3 very good outings:
5 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 HR
2006-08-21 20:44:04
281.   D4P
Come on Todd, start sucking

Children, avert your eyes

2006-08-21 20:44:31
282.   Bluebleeder87
give us one more good inning Bills, that's all i ask (trusting our Dodger hitters)
2006-08-21 20:44:31
283.   Bob Timmermann
If the Padres are going to count on Todd Walker's glove to carry them tonight, they are going to be sorry.
2006-08-21 20:44:41
284.   bhsportsguy
I am not sure why the Dodgers hit so poorly against the Padres this year, they have not been able to sustain anything, its as if that comeback on April 30th just took the wind out of them.
2006-08-21 20:44:57
285.   StolenMonkey86
282 - no dice on that one. Elmer's in
2006-08-21 20:45:18
286.   Bluebleeder87
282

Dessens coming in to pitch for Bills, nice move.

2006-08-21 20:45:24
287.   natepurcell
well the good thing is that Chad now had more strikes then walks.

hey, its a start!

2006-08-21 20:46:44
288.   Bluebleeder87
why was Betemit positioned so poorly!!!
2006-08-21 20:47:07
289.   trainwreck
Lousy Padres, why must they give us so much trouble?
2006-08-21 20:47:14
290.   Disabled List
Drew could not have played that ball any slower. That and a weak throw = triple.
2006-08-21 20:47:26
291.   natepurcell
288

because was so offline.

2006-08-21 20:47:49
292.   Bluebleeder87
somebody is gonna have to teach these guys basic baseball i swear.
2006-08-21 20:48:20
293.   overkill94
Ring 'im up!
2006-08-21 20:48:27
294.   natepurcell
because the throw

oops.

2006-08-21 20:48:31
295.   das411
211 - Thanks Bob! It's ok, DeLucci will be back in RF tomorrow now that CHASE!! UTLEYYYY!!!! took care of our CF surplus ;)

Where is Kenny Lofton on all these balls that keep getting past JD Drew?

2006-08-21 20:48:57
296.   natepurcell
how are these not strikes? are you kidding?
2006-08-21 20:49:15
297.   Bluebleeder87
because was so offline.

sorry nate, have to disagree with you there you position you're self properly then preceed for there.

2006-08-21 20:49:15
298.   Greg S
Okay, that's strike 4 and he's still up there.
2006-08-21 20:49:57
299.   Disabled List
Odalis Dessens gives up the go-ahead run.
2006-08-21 20:50:17
300.   Bob Timmermann
I think the first thing for Betemit to do on that was to catch it because if it gets by, it's probably going to let Cameron score.
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2006-08-21 20:50:44
301.   Greg S
297 It's kind of important to catch the ball. More important than standing on the base and wishing it had come to you.
2006-08-21 20:51:00
302.   Bob Timmermann
Giants cling to a 1-0 lead over DBacks in the 7th.
2006-08-21 20:51:57
303.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. 3 outs, let's score some runs BLUE CREW!!
2006-08-21 20:52:12
304.   overkill94
Screw it, there's no way I'm making it to the gym tonight, this game's too close. Time to start drinking!
2006-08-21 20:52:20
305.   Nagman
The umpire's strike zone is all over the place.

But, the fact that all we have to show for 6 innings of facing Stauffer is a 2 out bloop single is very disturbing. Let's hope he's run out of adrenaline.

2006-08-21 20:52:35
306.   bhsportsguy
Again, you should really have scored more than 2 runs at this point.
2006-08-21 20:53:04
307.   Sub4Era
299 - I dunno if a 2.25 era quite equates to Odalis yet...
2006-08-21 20:53:43
308.   bhsportsguy
Well, that have not come back too many times during this run, so now here is a chance, as I say, they had to score one run anyway, so why not score 2 or more.
2006-08-21 20:53:45
309.   Bob Timmermann
It's like every Dodger hitter looks at Tim Stauffer and can only picture Brian Lawrence.

Not that any of the hitters in the lineup tonight except for Kent ever fell under Lawrence's spell.

And Kent has the two RBI!

2006-08-21 20:53:51
310.   Icaros
These ESPN guys (Sutcliffe and I think Gary Thorne) are condemning the Dodgers for "babying" Billingsley by taking him out after 95 pitches and five innings.

Then they speculate that he must've "felt a twinge" and that is why he is out.

2006-08-21 20:54:03
311.   Gen3Blue
That was Grady's descision to play the infield back. It's hard to disagree.
This game is interesting. If we lose I'm not sure whether to blame the pitching and D or the offense.
2006-08-21 20:54:31
312.   Bluebleeder87
It's kind of important to catch the ball. More important than standing on the base and wishing it had come to you.

IMO you have to be like a catcher on plays like that, notice Betemit was of line from the get go, (i hate it i can't by Jon or Bob of plays like this) my spelling blows guys sorry, that's the best I can do.

2006-08-21 20:55:35
313.   natepurcell
311

I dont mind playing the infield back but that was strike 3 and strike 4 to Gonzalez.

2006-08-21 20:57:08
314.   bhsportsguy
I swear Dessens hit that spot twice during Gonzalez's at bat.
2006-08-21 20:57:25
315.   das411
Is anybody else somewhat worried by the rash of weird pitching injuries this season? I mean, Pedro was probably just flaking out to begin with, but now Chan Ho has this internal bleeding thing, Glavine has some sort of blood clot in his elbow, the Unit has a severe case of O.L.D., what's going on??

Sweet, I get to actually see this "3.5" now!

2006-08-21 20:57:43
316.   Bob Timmermann
3-0 Giants thanks to some bad defense by Arizona.
2006-08-21 20:57:49
317.   bhsportsguy
Okay Andre show them why you don't bring lefties in to face you.
2006-08-21 20:59:12
318.   natepurcell
bring in Saenz!
2006-08-21 20:59:23
319.   Bluebleeder87
nice hit by Ethier, let's get the run back blue crew!!
2006-08-21 20:59:38
320.   StolenMonkey86
3.5
2006-08-21 20:59:46
321.   bhsportsguy
I swear, sometimes I think Andre swings wildly at strike two just to get a pitch to swing at on 0-2.
2006-08-21 21:00:27
322.   Bluebleeder87
I swear Dessens hit that spot twice during Gonzalez's at bat.

I saw that too, but i was to Po'ed at Betemit at the time. :o)

2006-08-21 21:01:05
323.   natepurcell
Jeff Kent is a winner because he tried to steal third base on a 0-1 pitch.
2006-08-21 21:01:17
324.   Uncle Miltie
Pinch hitting for Betemit with Old Maid here wouldn't have been a bad idea.
2006-08-21 21:01:35
325.   bhsportsguy
I think of 2 reasons why Betemit is batting here. One is for his defense, second he may want Olmedo at the pitcher's sport.
2006-08-21 21:02:01
326.   Uncle Miltie
318- was thinking the same thing
2006-08-21 21:03:42
327.   bhsportsguy
He probably would have brought in Meredith to face Saenz, than you probably bring Lugo in to play 3B and all you have is Martinez on the bench.
2006-08-21 21:04:26
328.   natepurcell
kemp and loney are both 2-3 tonight but Kemp has a homerun.

Kemps OPS- 967
Loneys OPS- 973

2006-08-21 21:04:40
329.   StolenMonkey86
Betemit homered off a left-hander in Dodger Stadium.

Not that homering off Odalis means a lot, but still.

2006-08-21 21:04:40
330.   bhsportsguy
Also Betemit just missed a hanging breaking ball.
2006-08-21 21:04:46
331.   Bluebleeder87
318

I think Saenz will make an apperance today.

2006-08-21 21:05:52
332.   bhsportsguy
I hope Russ got to hit against Stece Schmoll last year.
2006-08-21 21:06:37
333.   bhsportsguy
I hope Russ got to hit against Stece Schmoll last year.
2006-08-21 21:08:48
334.   Nagman
I was surprised to see that it was only Kemp's third homerun since he has been in Vegas.
2006-08-21 21:10:28
335.   overkill94
i hate those stupid submariners
2006-08-21 21:11:38
336.   stubbs
327-why couldn't saenz stay in at 3b? Betemit and his .517 ops against lefties can't be left in there. at least with the rosters expanding soon, that situation wont happen in september.
2006-08-21 21:12:50
337.   PDH5204
Ever hear of Julio Lugo?

And here's why the Braves didn't want Betemit, as those watching Gamecast now know: 2005 RISP = 5/42, or .119. And that's with 0 HR's and 20 K's.

Add to that a 15-66 month of August, or a .227 August, and automatic out. And sorry, but his defense, while good, isn't that good.

And please lastly note that they left Embree in just long enough to record the very nearly automatic out.

Can't wait to see it in the playoffs. When it will somebody much better than Mr. Embree.

2006-08-21 21:12:51
338.   natepurcell
okay im going bowling.
2006-08-21 21:13:05
339.   Bob Timmermann
Oh oh, Rob Bowen has scored a run...
2006-08-21 21:13:29
340.   Bluebleeder87
4-2 Dodgers on a Giles ground rule double.
2006-08-21 21:13:44
341.   fanerman
We're not doing very well tonight.

338 Do you bowl?

2006-08-21 21:15:22
342.   StolenMonkey86
base on balls for Kemp
2006-08-21 21:15:33
343.   Bluebleeder87
okay im going bowling.

don't tell me you're a faer weather fan bro!!?

2006-08-21 21:17:52
344.   Bluebleeder87
let's get some runs Dodgers!
2006-08-21 21:18:32
345.   Gen3Blue
336 In september if the oldies(Kent,Drew and Garc) can't get it done, we can transition through Ethier to Kemp, Loney and Laroche. Something ought to work.
2006-08-21 21:18:45
346.   das411
Hey Sutcliffe, if the Padre bullpen is so awesome, why are they putting in their best defenders? Hm?
2006-08-21 21:19:11
347.   fanerman
Okay, I swear. I'm horrible at these reaction time things. The best I've done is average .22. The best individual time I had was .18.
2006-08-21 21:19:23
348.   StolenMonkey86
nothin like a leadoff hbp
2006-08-21 21:19:26
349.   Bluebleeder87
nice start for the Dodgers (Lugo get's hit by a pitch)
2006-08-21 21:19:54
350.   StolenMonkey86
Hoffman is warming up. There is hope!
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2006-08-21 21:20:12
351.   stubbs
345-i was saying, we wont have to worry about someone playing 3b after we pinch hit for betemit in the late innings.
2006-08-21 21:20:30
352.   Bob Timmermann
I have learned that the Japanese translation for HBP comes out as "dead ball."

Well, if you translate the words back from Japanese to English.

2006-08-21 21:20:51
353.   Bluebleeder87
Furcal swinging for the fences realy must make Grady mad.
2006-08-21 21:23:21
354.   fanerman
Double play. Shucks.
2006-08-21 21:23:50
355.   Uncle Miltie
Beer pong time.

Why didn't Grits run Lugo?

2006-08-21 21:23:51
356.   Bluebleeder87
if we loose this game i'll be o.k. with it, we will still be 3 games ahead, i'm still hopefull though.
2006-08-21 21:26:44
357.   Gagne55
I think the game is over. Hoffman owns the Dodgers. Seriously, has Hoffman ever blown a save against the Dodgers? If so, when?
2006-08-21 21:26:47
358.   Bob Timmermann
355
Bowen was catching and he can actually throw.
2006-08-21 21:27:07
359.   Nagman
This was the one to get, even more so with Stauffer on the mound. Peavy has looked pretty good in his last five starts, and Woody Williams has been solid as well.
2006-08-21 21:27:24
360.   Bob Timmermann
I remember Hoffman blowing a save once when Jeff Reboulet hit a 3-run homer in the ninth to tie the game.
2006-08-21 21:27:30
361.   Gen3Blue
Gameday stinks. It won't come up.
2006-08-21 21:27:57
362.   Bluebleeder87
wow that was '96 mph. from Tomko
2006-08-21 21:28:51
363.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know about this season and I don't have historical save opportunity stats, but Hoffman has lost six games to the Dodgers prior to this year.
2006-08-21 21:29:08
364.   bhsportsguy
357 He's 4-6 lifetime against the Dodgers so I guess he may have blown one or two.
2006-08-21 21:30:16
365.   Nagman
I'm pretty sure Hoffman lost a game last season at Petco when he came in in a tie game.

There was much debate in San Diego after that regarding his effectiveness and his approach in tie games.

2006-08-21 21:30:25
366.   Bob Timmermann
Although Hoffman blew the save in this game, the Padres still won:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04220LAN2001.htm

2006-08-21 21:30:50
367.   bhsportsguy
359 That's the beauty of the game, you think one thing but then you never know.
2006-08-21 21:31:20
368.   Bluebleeder87
Hoffman coming in to pitch the 9th, I really hope the Dodgers hit him & shut the S.D. crowd up!!!
2006-08-21 21:32:16
369.   Nagman
367 - Agree. I just want one of these and get the heck outta San Diego.
2006-08-21 21:32:24
370.   Bob Timmermann
Giants win 5-0 over AZ.
2006-08-21 21:34:15
371.   Bluebleeder87
nice start for the 9th (Nomar get's a lead of single) Drew at the bat.
2006-08-21 21:34:16
372.   Bob Timmermann
Where's Reboulet?
2006-08-21 21:34:43
373.   Gagne55
368 Me too. But I'm a realist.
2006-08-21 21:35:20
374.   stubbs
that was a horrific ab.
2006-08-21 21:36:04
375.   Gen3Blue
Drew looked awful tonight. What's up.
Both field and plate.
2006-08-21 21:36:10
376.   Bob Timmermann
As I recall, Reboulet's homer in 2001 barely went over the fence in LF and the Padres thought a fan interfered.
2006-08-21 21:37:12
377.   Gagne55
375 He has games like that.
2006-08-21 21:38:58
378.   Bluebleeder87
i'm sorry Jon but i have to be negative about Drew (just too let some steam out) here i go, *if drew would have dove i would respect him alot more than i do at the moment.

ps theres alot more that he's said & done that make me steam but that's naither here nore there.

2006-08-21 21:41:18
379.   bhsportsguy
I don't think you dive on that play, the play was right in front of him he just had to lower his glove.

Again, though, you have to score more than 2 runs against the Padres.

2006-08-21 21:43:03
380.   Jon Weisman
378 - I think Drew needed to dive as well - not even full-out, necessarily, but just enough to get lower, whether he was having trouble with the lights or not. It wasn't an automatic play but he made it look ugly.

I don't think it's about respect. It just wasn't a good play.

2006-08-21 21:44:22
381.   Bluebleeder87
379

in all fairness you're probaly right i'm just mad i guess.

ps him saying he wouldn't care about batting 7th really really made me mad. (says alot about his competitveness IMO)

2006-08-21 21:48:52
382.   Bluebleeder87
On a good note we're still 3 games up.
2006-08-21 21:50:52
383.   PDH5204
346

To answer your question, the bullpen can be the best ever, you still put in your best defenders since pitching and defense wins ball games, as was once again shown tonight via that six hitter.

355:

To answer your question: the manager does not know how to use that which was rented.

And alarming numbers of the night:

Kent:

2006 away - .211 .301 OBP, with 3 homers and 16 RBI.

At one point tonight, August:

10-43, .233.

Nice those two hits, but not nice that inning and game ending GIDP.

2006-08-21 21:52:15
384.   still bevens
I think if Drew was right handed he could have played that ball a bit better. It was a rough angle.

I also think what did was in tonight was hacking away at everything. The Padres were pretty patient all night and it paid off.

2006-08-21 21:53:24
385.   Gagne55
Little blew this one by not pinch hitting Saenz for Betemit against Embree. Not that they would necessarily have won anyway, but still, Betemit can't hit against lefties.
2006-08-21 21:54:14
386.   Bluebleeder87
Hendy will pitch the best game of his career tomorrow.(wish full thinking is my middle name) :o)
2006-08-21 21:56:46
387.   Bluebleeder87
I think if Drew was right handed he could have played that ball a bit better. It was a rough angle

Drew is right handed (bats left) to many brewskies today bro??

2006-08-21 22:35:03
388.   PDH5204
Gagne55:

You pinch hit Lugo. Late in the game, Saenz is a defensive liability, so you don't want him at 3rd if at all possible. Lugo hits and stays in at 3rd. And speaking of liabilities, Saenz is also a liability on the bases. The faster runner otherwise puts pressure on the defense, and though one can not prove it in the scientific sense, nevertheless, we're pretty sure that pressure on the defense results in poor choices and other errors. And so we'd need to run for Saenz as well. So why not simply let someone other than Saenz hit, and since Lugo hit later, you have him hit for Betemit, he stays in the game, and next time the pitcher comes up, Saenz pinch hits.

Oh, and to respond to something you said a while back, a week or so ago, in response to my comments on Drew having left 7 on base in that one game. Yes, not Drew's fault that some got on base before him, but he's paid big money to drive them in. Now, if he had gone 5 for 5 with no RBI's, fine, at least if the explanation for the no RBI's is that he either lead off the inning or no one was on base when he came up to hit. That is the only sense in which we can say that he has some excuse for not producing the RBIs that he's being paid big money to produce. And, yes, in that game, he got the 1 RBI, but left 7 more. He's not a bad ballplayer, matter of fact, despite the decline in power, he's still one of the better players on this team, and he's better than some other making the big bucks and who is otherwise living large on reputation and the fact that he plays well at home.

Sorry, let me correct myself, he's not only making the big bucks, he's being paid the big bucks as well. Of course, as anyone with any sense knows, rental cost is not determinative, but rental value. I've already posted the rental values for August. And so I share just the one more insight with you tonight, at least Lugo can say that for him, it's the first time that he's facing most of these pitchers, and as we all know, while reports and films are nice, it is much more important that he's seen the others pitch than it is that for the others to have seen him bat [i.e., the films are much more helpful for the pitcher than they are for the batter when it comes to this first time mano v. mano encounter].

And by the way, it is that fact, and that fact alone, that makes the 2 month rental trade for Lugo an absurdity. But not just Lugo, but any and all American League players who have not otherwise seen and hit National League pitching on a regular basis. Which explains why I expected Lugo to have lower numbers to start, and since that's when the claimed need was, the question became, if it's only two weeks, why an American Leaguer unfamiliar with National League pitching? Which is not to devalue Lugo or any other American Leaguer, since 2 weeks against rather unfamiliar pitching is hardly a valid test. A true asssessment could only be made when we start getting the returns for the recount, or the second and third times round.

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