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Sleepy
2006-08-26 16:33
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

In an all-too-typical scenario, when it was my wife's turn to get the boy Friday, he woke up at 7:45 a.m. When it was my turn this morning, he woke up at 5:15.

Yeah, I know how the Dodgers feel ...

Tonight's Game

Comments (272)
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2006-08-26 17:42:33
1.   Bob Timmermann
Inside the Dodgers reports same lineup as last night as Carrara was DFA'd and Hamulack brought up.
2006-08-26 17:43:04
2.   King of the Hobos
Hamulack has returned! Carrara has, in Rawitch's words, been "optioned for assignment." Also, same lineup as last night.
2006-08-26 17:43:27
3.   Bob Timmermann
And I'm assuming Hamulack was brought up to have a fresh arm available and the Dodgers are assuming nobody in their right mind will put in a waiver claim for Carrara.
2006-08-26 17:43:54
4.   Bob Timmermann
31 second victory!
2006-08-26 17:45:34
5.   Bob Timmermann
Actually in the AP story, Little says Carrara hasn't been all that effective recently and they don't have the utmost confidence in him.
2006-08-26 17:52:30
6.   King of the Hobos
3 Then the Dodgers are underestimating Mr. Krivsky.
2006-08-26 17:52:52
7.   Greg Brock
Can we finally bid goodbye to Carrara? I mean, forever?

Somehow, I doubt it.

2006-08-26 17:53:47
8.   D4P
Jon - What do you mean by "get the boy"?
2006-08-26 17:53:48
9.   Bob Timmermann
Little said that if he wasn't claimed, the Dodgers would probably bring him back in September.
2006-08-26 17:55:12
10.   D4P
31 second victory!

Does the Toaster round to the nearest second, or does it round in a specified direction (i.e. up or down)?

2006-08-26 17:56:13
11.   Bob Timmermann
8
Something like this perhaps?

http://tinyurl.com/lwm7p

2006-08-26 18:00:49
12.   Bob Timmermann
Sandy Alomar takes Johan Santana deep!

The Twins still lead 5-3.

2006-08-26 18:02:34
13.   Bob Timmermann
Actually the Twins lead 6-3.

Tony Clark AND Craig Counsell starting for the DBacks tonight!

Eric Byrnes is in right with Chris Young in center.

2006-08-26 18:02:45
14.   Steve
12 -- I don't believe...what I just saw!
2006-08-26 18:04:49
15.   D4P
14
I'd be more surprised if he drew a walk
2006-08-26 18:12:41
16.   natepurcell
have you guys seen BT's tirade about DT yet on this other dodgers forum?
2006-08-26 18:13:30
17.   Greg Brock
No, where?
2006-08-26 18:16:33
18.   Sushirabbit
I feel you, Jon. My next one is due at the end of the year. I was getting a bit worried though. Thank God for Tivo. We had a "yard sale" today, so I zoned out last night in the 11th. Woke up at 6 am and got in another couple, wife comes up and I say it's still tied in the 12th. :-)

I think we cleared $125. To which I say, this is simply not worth it. To which she says, that's what we said 7 years ago. At least we had some shade and I got to visit with neighbors. Not one single comment on the Dodger shirt. The only place I'm likely to ever get acknowledgement is in the local taqueria.

2006-08-26 18:32:35
19.   natepurcell
17

its gone now. mods of the dodgers scout.com board delted it. that is a really good board and im sad hes there now. The prospect thread there dates back to like 2002!

2006-08-26 18:33:01
20.   Ken Arneson
16 17 Please, let's not trollfeed.
2006-08-26 18:34:33
21.   Greg Brock
20 Simply morbid curiosity. No worries.
2006-08-26 18:35:07
22.   Linkmeister
11 Sheesh. I really should read that site regularly.
2006-08-26 18:45:09
23.   Bob Timmermann
Craig Counsell was not my favorite Dodger when he was in L.A.

Not even close.

2006-08-26 18:46:35
24.   D4P
I see that Nomar's OPS has finally slipped beneath his career mark
2006-08-26 18:49:51
25.   D4P
Yay! A pop out to the pitcher. Don't see that very often
2006-08-26 18:50:22
26.   Bob Timmermann
Especially when the pitcher makes a basket catch.
2006-08-26 18:51:15
27.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Holliday is killing the Rockies tonight. Two GIDPs that ended chances for big innings.
2006-08-26 18:55:12
28.   D4P
Which is a bigger rally killer:

1. GIDP
2. HR

2006-08-26 18:56:59
29.   Bob Timmermann
Number of runs you can score after a GIDP to end the inning: 0

Number of runs you can score after a homerun: infinite.

2006-08-26 18:58:41
30.   D4P
Number of runners that can be on base after a GIDP (with no outs): 1

Number of runners that can be on base after a homerun: 0

2006-08-26 18:59:53
31.   StolenMonkey86
ok, that's not the way to jack up the old pitch count
2006-08-26 19:00:16
32.   Bob Timmermann
Maximum number of outs left in inning after GIDP: 1

Maximum number of outs left in inning after HR:????

Maximum number of brain cells still functioning in Steve Lyons brain: >1 and <??????

2006-08-26 19:00:52
33.   StolenMonkey86
30 - number of chances you have to get a guy on base after a GIDP w/ nobody out: 1

after a home run: 3

2006-08-26 19:01:42
34.   StolenMonkey86
I'm gonna say lining into a triple play is the worst rally killer ever though
2006-08-26 19:04:56
35.   Bob Timmermann
Wouldn't a long essay entitled "Why hitting into a double play is a good thing for batters?" be something you would see in the Slate.com sports section?

They earlier ran a piece on why diving is good for soccer.

And an essay on why "The Searchers" is a bad movie.

2006-08-26 19:06:34
36.   King of the Hobos
30 You can have 2 runners on base after a DP. Bases loaded grounder, throw home, then throw to whichever base has the best chance of an out.
2006-08-26 19:07:31
37.   Uncle Miltie
Beer pong at my place tonight so I may be checking in drunk. Is it against the rules here to post drunk? ;)

Wilber II really needs to heat up soon or else one of our shortstops is going to be making a lot of starts at 3B.

2006-08-26 19:09:20
38.   D4P
36
Good point. Even better!
2006-08-26 19:09:28
39.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend Sandy Alomar drew a walk tonight.
2006-08-26 19:11:16
40.   StolenMonkey86
37 - as far as I know, the most important thing is not to let your judgement be impaired to the point where you are in violation of one of the other "thank you for not"s
2006-08-26 19:16:10
41.   natepurcell
did martin not catch 15 inningd last night? why is he playing?
2006-08-26 19:17:13
42.   Bob Timmermann
41

Martin said he wanted to catch.

2006-08-26 19:17:33
43.   D4P
41
Because BJ's not pitching
2006-08-26 19:17:39
44.   regfairfield
41 Grady apparently didn't read my piece on Martin burning out.
2006-08-26 19:18:30
45.   natepurcell
Martin said he wanted to catch.

And Pedro said to leave him in. Players are retarded.

2006-08-26 19:19:26
46.   Bob Timmermann
45

I prefer to think of it as competitive.

2006-08-26 19:20:42
47.   natepurcell
semantics Bob, semantics!
2006-08-26 19:21:38
48.   Bob Timmermann
Semantics and propriety.
2006-08-26 19:23:41
49.   Greg Brock
35 Outside of the occasional Hitchens essay, I don't find too much of interest at Slate.

It's like the girl that all your friends tell you is a knockout, and you just don't see it.

2006-08-26 19:24:01
50.   StolenMonkey86
hitting the ball to a pitcher who's not a FToG with 2 outs is a rally killer
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2006-08-26 19:26:31
51.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA football fans take note: Jerry Owens was called up by the White Sox today.

Jerry Owens was going to be UCLA's Mike Williams.

2006-08-26 19:29:21
52.   Bob Timmermann
Upon reading further, Owens was recalled and put on the DL so the White Sox have an extra roster spot to play with in case they make the playoffs.
2006-08-26 19:30:19
53.   Bob Timmermann
Clay Hensley has been relieved by Cla Meredith, but there is no Cl available to pitch the 9th.
2006-08-26 19:33:48
54.   Bob Timmermann
2-run homer by Dye off of Nathan ties it up in Chicago 7-7.
2006-08-26 19:39:37
55.   natepurcell
Nice hustle Russel.
2006-08-26 19:40:40
56.   KG16
Toby Hall would have been out at second.
2006-08-26 19:41:54
57.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Melvin's sentimentality for Counsell and Clark has helped the Dodgers tonight.

Hooray for sentimentality!

2006-08-26 19:46:45
58.   Jon Weisman
53 - "Gerald. [calling him in closer] Gerry. [closer] Ger. . .Guh. "

http://www.kithfan.org/work/transcripts/one/negotiate.html

Okay, it's barely related, but what the heck ...

2006-08-26 19:47:09
59.   Jon Weisman
8 - get him out of his crib when he awakens in the morning
2006-08-26 19:47:42
60.   StolenMonkey86
Luis Gonzalez has warning track power
2006-08-26 19:51:22
61.   DeucesAreWild
Russell Martin has been very impressive on throwing out runners trying to steal 3rd. Or it least it seems that way to me. Does anyone know where a breakdown of Martin's throwing stats might be found?
2006-08-26 19:51:34
62.   natepurcell
Lowe was just snakebitten!
2006-08-26 19:52:51
63.   KG16
Uh oh. Here's hoping it's not so bad that he misses any starts.
2006-08-26 19:53:05
64.   natepurcell
what a season :(
2006-08-26 19:54:40
65.   StolenMonkey86
where'd he get hit?
2006-08-26 19:55:10
66.   natepurcell
65

left hand/wrist i think.

2006-08-26 19:55:12
67.   gpellamjr
64 So, uh, Nate... we got any hot young pitchers ready to come up to take his place, or are we stuck with a rotation including both Hendrickson AND Sele?
2006-08-26 19:55:31
68.   Bob Timmermann
Lowe appeared to be hit at the base of his left hand.
2006-08-26 19:57:17
69.   KG16
Glove hand
2006-08-26 19:57:21
70.   natepurcell
67

Well....Kuo?

2006-08-26 19:57:46
71.   Jeromy
You never want to see an injury, but especially after a 16 inning game when the bullpen was forced to pitch 9 the night before!
2006-08-26 19:57:49
72.   Bob Timmermann
Twins retake the lead in the 11th, 8-7.
2006-08-26 19:58:18
73.   gpellamjr
70 I'll take it!
2006-08-26 19:58:32
74.   StolenMonkey86
glad it's not his pitching hand, but hope he's ok
2006-08-26 19:59:26
75.   bhsportsguy
That should be the fleshy part of the hand, so hopefully it was just really sore.

My hunch is that is Beimel will pitch a bit here and then we will, get ready...

Hendrickson.

2006-08-26 20:00:12
76.   King of the Hobos
Hanrahan walked the first batter of the Vegas game, and was immediately removed. He walked the batter, so he wasn't struck by the ball, but I'm guessing injury was involved. Not a good night for our pitchers.
2006-08-26 20:01:15
77.   bhsportsguy
Not they have hit the ball hard, little ground balls.
2006-08-26 20:01:27
78.   King of the Hobos
75 Don't forget Hamulack! But Hendrickson is "officially" our emergency long reliever tonight, as the Dodgers.com Notes mentioned.
2006-08-26 20:01:45
79.   StolenMonkey86
Tony Clark's OPS against lefties went from .376 to .433
2006-08-26 20:03:32
80.   natepurcell
dback announcers were raving about martin saying how hes going to be something special and then they proceed to compare him to kelly stinnett.
2006-08-26 20:04:22
81.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
So, I assume Beimel goes another inning, then Hendrickson?

WWSH

2006-08-26 20:04:52
82.   Uncle Miltie
What happened to Lowe? Hopefully not an arm injury. I don't think he's ever been on the DL.
2006-08-26 20:05:29
83.   natepurcell
82

line drive hit his left hand/wrist.

2006-08-26 20:06:14
84.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Heaven forbid, if Lowe does miss a start or more (let's keep our fingers crossed), Kuo might be able to step in. He does have some big league experience, and if starting really has straightened out his control, he could be effective.

Of course, my guess is that Little will either put Sele or Tomko back in the rotation before going to a rookie in the heat of a pennant race.

WWSH

2006-08-26 20:08:16
85.   StolenMonkey86
82 - no he hasn't. He's rather proud of that too
2006-08-26 20:13:23
86.   Bob Timmermann
There wouldn't be any real reason for Lowe to go on the DL right now anyway since it's August 26. You could disable him for the 8/27-31 and bring up an extra pitcher if you are sure Lowe will miss two starts, I suppose.
2006-08-26 20:17:10
87.   StolenMonkey86
dodgers.com said it hit his left wrist
2006-08-26 20:18:09
88.   Nagman
Kent needs a day off. In fact, make it a week.
2006-08-26 20:23:57
89.   King of the Hobos
Delwyn Young hit 2 homers today, tying him for 3rd most homers in the Dodgers organization this year with 18. Sergio Pedroza has the most (24, plus 3 with Visalia), Craig Brazell is second (21), and Young is in a 4-way tie for 3rd, with Dewitt, Russ Mitchell, and Lucas May.
2006-08-26 20:28:19
90.   bhsportsguy
89 Matt Kemp and Andy LaRoche have 17 HRs in their combined stops this year.

Of course, Matt had 14 by the end of June.

2006-08-26 20:28:51
91.   StolenMonkey86
nice inning by Hamulack
2006-08-26 20:28:51
92.   Nagman
For all those not watching on TV, Vin just had a "preliminary report" on Lowe. X rays negative, bruised left hand.
2006-08-26 20:30:51
93.   Bob Timmermann
Prognosis: Negative.
2006-08-26 20:34:04
94.   skybluestoday
Re: 35

I feel that "The Searchers" is perhaps the most overrated western of them all. I find it clumsy, heavy-handed, and awkward all the way through -- I think there are probably about 1/2 dozen Ford films I would happily take before having to down "The Searchers" again. (And so far as other directors working within the genre, I much prefer the westerns of Mann, Boetticher, Leone, Peckinpah, and even Hawks -- I think that "Red River," for example, is far superior to the big Ford westerns, though I like much of Ford's work outside of the genre.)

2006-08-26 20:35:18
95.   JoeyP
Dodgers are making it quite easy for Miguel Batista.

Is three runs enough tonite?

2006-08-26 20:36:12
96.   StolenMonkey86
95- Tim Hamulack had a 1-2-3 inning
2006-08-26 20:36:23
97.   Gen3Blue
I think Pedroza is history ---traded.
With a bit of patients you will get plenty of power from Kemp,Laroche and Loney.
2006-08-26 20:37:57
98.   Greg Brock
94 I love The Searchers.
2006-08-26 20:38:04
99.   StolenMonkey86
With a bit of patients you will get plenty of power from Kemp,Laroche and Loney.

You don't have to be a doctor to figure out Kemp can deliver some power.

2006-08-26 20:40:53
100.   Bob Timmermann
Both Lofton's throw and Estrada died of exhaustion at the plate.
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2006-08-26 20:41:23
101.   bhsportsguy
99 Do you mean that the Dodgers will have lose some guys to the DL before those guys will play?
2006-08-26 20:44:05
102.   StolenMonkey86
insurance run here would be nice
2006-08-26 20:44:25
103.   Bob Timmermann
98
I think the Searchers is great, but the Slate.com criticism was much different from the criticism in 94 which is more understandable.

The Slate critic thought that the problem with the movie was that the actors did not bring the sensibilities of the time the movie was made (the 1950s) in to the film. Or some such nonsense like that. It was highly pretentious.

2006-08-26 20:44:29
104.   dzzrtRatt
42 Speaking of wearing players out... I heard an interview with Lasorda today on Joe McDonald's show. The conversation turned to Jered Weaver and then to Fernando Valenzuela and Orel Hershiser. He was taking credit for both pitchers pitching a lot of complete games, telling about how he guided Hershiser by asking him if he was winning at a poker game, would he want someone to come in and take his place? Hershiser said no, and Lasorda said, why not?, and Hershiser said, Because it's my money; to which Lasorda replied, so why would you want another pitcher to finish your game for you? It's your game!

Unbelievable. He shortened the careers of two HOF-caliber pitchers, in part by manipulating them into thinking that giving up a complete game was wimpy; and here he is, bragging about it.

2006-08-26 20:45:17
105.   gpellamjr
Hey! According to DBacks tv, the Dodgers are 66-58 again! Awesome, do-overs.
2006-08-26 20:45:29
106.   JoeyP
Melvin's taking a chance leaving Batista in to face the heart of the Dodgers' lineup, given his 98 pitches already thrown.
2006-08-26 20:48:59
107.   StolenMonkey86
streaker?
2006-08-26 20:49:12
108.   JoeyP
With a dead starting pitcher and Nomar at the plate, why give them an out?
2006-08-26 20:50:02
109.   StolenMonkey86
I wanna know what the on field delay was
2006-08-26 20:50:24
110.   underdog
Um. Hm. I'm following the game on GameDay. Was the brief "on field delay" related to arguing about the caught stealing call?
2006-08-26 20:50:36
111.   Bob Timmermann
Argument over the call at second.
2006-08-26 20:51:07
112.   bhsportsguy
Lofton got thrown out and then Lofton and Grady had a discussion with the umpire.
2006-08-26 20:51:16
113.   StolenMonkey86
111- ah, so that's a no to 107
2006-08-26 20:51:47
114.   bhsportsguy
112 Thrown out at second, not the game.
2006-08-26 20:51:52
115.   underdog
Sounds like Hamulack pitched well (from what I could tell on GameDay). Dodgers had said he was pitching much better in Vegas after correcting some sort of flaw in mechanics. He might indeed be better than Carrara (likely).
2006-08-26 20:53:12
116.   Greg Brock
103 I can understand why some people wouldn't like The Searchers. It's not a terribly complex film, and Wayne's character is unlikeable.

It is, however, one of the most beautiful movies I've seen, and is, in my opinion, John Wayne's best performance. As for the tone of the movie, it is very anachronistic. That's kind of the point. Maybe the Slate critic missed that.

2006-08-26 20:53:31
117.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Hamulack looked pretty good. I think he's wearing his socks differently.
2006-08-26 20:53:38
118.   JoeyP
Batista makes it through 8 throwing 115 pitches, with assistance from KLoft.
2006-08-26 20:54:48
119.   Bob Timmermann
Is Stephen Metcalf a visitor here?

http://www.slate.com/id/2145142/

2006-08-26 20:54:55
120.   Nagman
I think it's weird that Vin calls Byrnes "Byrnsie".
2006-08-26 20:55:15
121.   gpellamjr
I wonder if Batista composes haiku while he's pitching... or is he the one with the salsa company?
2006-08-26 20:56:40
122.   StolenMonkey86
117 - is he sporting the classic high socks look?
2006-08-26 20:57:03
123.   Bob Timmermann
121

Batista writes poems and has Mel Gibson-like tendencies too.

2006-08-26 20:57:25
124.   underdog
I'm surprised Vin doesn't call him "Kookie" Byrnes, given his propensity for old school references. (Or, wait, maybe that's me.)
2006-08-26 20:57:37
125.   Bob Timmermann
122
Hamulack has high socks, but he doesn't wear them stirrup-style.
2006-08-26 20:57:52
126.   Jon Weisman
94 - I agree regarding The Searchers, though it's been years since I watched it last. I'm a Stagecoach man.

116 - Wayne's best performance? What about The Shootist?

2006-08-26 20:58:34
127.   Bob Timmermann
"Kookie" Byrnes is too new for Vin. I don't think Vin has watched episodic TV since "Occasional Wife".
2006-08-26 20:58:47
128.   JoeyP
SBP is in effect.
2006-08-26 21:00:14
129.   underdog
126 How about The Conqueror? Wasn't he just fantabulous as Genghis Kahn?

No, but I also liked him in The Quiet Man and the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance... but Red River and Stagecoach are both great.

2006-08-26 21:02:00
130.   underdog
Damn those "in play, run scoring play"s on GameDay. Sigh. Another tight one.

Anyone else not want to bother watching the game if it goes to extras? My confidence level for the Dodgers drops to zero in extra innings.

2006-08-26 21:03:34
131.   StolenMonkey86
how many pitches did tomko throw last night?
2006-08-26 21:04:39
132.   underdog
I just turned on MLBTV and watched the last at bat. Seems like the Dodgers are getting squeezed on the strike zone again. The last ball was a ball but the one before seemed clearly a strike. Martin held the ball for a couple of seconds in disbelief.
2006-08-26 21:05:19
133.   bhsportsguy
It is amazing when you follow a streaky team, how every break seems to go against you when you are going bad. Tonight, Lowe appeared to be on his game but with 2 strikes and no one on base, Tracy hits one off his hand, if he hits it by him, no problem.
2006-08-26 21:06:16
134.   bhsportsguy
131 Not that many.
2006-08-26 21:07:22
135.   Greg Brock
Now that I've read the Slate piece, I'm positive that Stephen Metcalf missed the point of the movie. Of course it's out of place in "modern" society.

116 I'll listen to arguments for The Shootist. Another great flick.

My favorite Orson Welles quote is the one where they asked him the three greatest directors, and he replied "John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford."

2006-08-26 21:08:57
136.   underdog
Tomko just struck out Tracy on a wicked sinker. And now Broxton's coming in.
2006-08-26 21:10:48
137.   JoeyP
Chad Tracy will never make that leap into "significantly above average" player territory until he limits his free swinging.
He's a serious hacker, sort of reminds me of Betemit.
2006-08-26 21:10:57
138.   Jeromy
D-Backs are 4 for 7 with 3K's with a 3-2 count. Feast or famine.
2006-08-26 21:11:19
139.   StolenMonkey86
Tomko gets to leave on a good note
2006-08-26 21:12:01
140.   Jeromy
Both teams have combined to be 0 for 7 when swinging at the first pitch.
2006-08-26 21:12:27
141.   underdog
...Whew. A soft line drive that Furcal climbed the ladder to snag.

Yeah, Tomko looked like he wanted to stay in there when he was pulled.

2006-08-26 21:12:30
142.   bhsportsguy
126 My favorite John Wayne performance is in the second of the "Cavalry Trilogy", in "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon." While Stagecoach and Red River are solid and Rio Bravo and its remake El Dorado (by the same director) are good and lots of fun, Waynes role as the retiring career army man is filled with great moments and a different Wayne than his usual muy macho roles.
2006-08-26 21:13:10
143.   JoeyP
One of the Dodgers are due for a late inning HR.
I'm gonna pick Ethier.
2006-08-26 21:16:40
144.   bhsportsguy
143 You're wrong but its early.
2006-08-26 21:16:45
145.   Bob Timmermann
And a nemesis shall lead them.
2006-08-26 21:16:46
146.   King of the Hobos
143 Nice call, although you just missed who hit it.
2006-08-26 21:16:46
147.   Tommy Naccarato
The Dodgers haven't won a game since I last posted here. So here I am posting...
And all of a sudden as I'm typing this, KENT!
2006-08-26 21:17:07
148.   underdog
Crushed! Kent just crushed that one to long ago and far away.
2006-08-26 21:17:11
149.   D4P
I think Charlie Steiner thinks we just won the World Series...
2006-08-26 21:17:30
150.   Nagman
88 - You guys can thank me later!
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2006-08-26 21:18:09
151.   JoeyP
Ok how about Kent then.
2006-08-26 21:19:45
152.   JoeyP
Its baseball karma.
Melvin doesnt deserve to win games when he has Eric Byrnes bunt down by 1 run.
Its loony.
2006-08-26 21:20:30
153.   underdog
Argh. MLBTV just sucks sometimes. It goes to black, audio only, then comes back, very choppy, then disappears. I have to keep refreshing it. Oh well.
2006-08-26 21:20:56
154.   bhsportsguy
152 Do we deserve to win when Kenny tries to steal with no one out in front of Nomar?
2006-08-26 21:21:53
155.   bhsportsguy
Back to John Wayne, seriously go out and get "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon." You won't regret it.
2006-08-26 21:22:17
156.   StolenMonkey86
154 - it's part of the interest due on when that run was stolen when Ramon Martinez went past first and was called out
2006-08-26 21:22:22
157.   underdog
Russell's starting to swing at everything again.

Okay, here we go.

2006-08-26 21:23:30
158.   JoeyP
That was bad, but I think the Dbax decision was worse. Its one thing to give up outs when you are leading in the game, its another to do it when you're trailing.

Plus Lofton does have a rather high percentage.

Bunting Byrnes (who's hit 18HRs), at the BOB, against TOMKO, down by 1 run...Dbax fans now know what its like to sit through a season of Jim Tracy.

Josh Byrnes still has one rather large mess to clean up I think.

2006-08-26 21:23:40
159.   StolenMonkey86
pretty well pitched, though; called strike on the corner, then go a little more outside, then a little more
2006-08-26 21:23:44
160.   Jon Weisman
142 - Yes. I watched that movie tons of times growing up.
2006-08-26 21:24:27
161.   Gen3Blue
When we go into close games or ties in later innings, I assume we will lose.
Unfortunately thats the way it has been in the last few years. I hope it changes.But I have assumed this will take a turnover of our personel.
Hope we bust this jinx now!
2006-08-26 21:24:32
162.   bhsportsguy
157 The man has caught 20+ innings in the last 27 hours so I would cut him a little slack.
2006-08-26 21:26:39
163.   bhsportsguy
158 I thought the bunt with 1st and 2nd last night when you knew the Dodgers would walk Estrada and then they had to use Livan to pinch hit was the worse decision I've seen in a while.
2006-08-26 21:27:17
164.   Eric Enders
I can't believe there was a Searchers discussion and I missed it.

It is no exaggeration to say that in my home growing up, The Searchers was held in far greater esteem than The Bible. In fact, I was named Eric Edward Enders instead of Ethan Edward Enders only because my mother put her foot down at the last minute.

It's a wonderful movie, but it's probably more deeply flawed than any other truly great film. It manages the nifty trick of being simultaneuously racist and critical of rasicm, which is interesting. So much of the acting is downright awful -- Ken Curtis and Pat Wayne drive me up the wall, and Jeffrey Hunter has his bad moments too. And don't get me started on Look.

But the great parts are so great that they more than make up for the many flaws.

2006-08-26 21:27:32
165.   bhsportsguy
Saito looks a little better tonight.
2006-08-26 21:28:07
166.   skybluestoday
Oh my goodness, it's so nice to win a game!
2006-08-26 21:28:49
167.   Nagman
I really enjoy seeing Smilin' Sammy after he does his job, he genuinely looks happy that he got it done. The Anti-Drew, for sure.
2006-08-26 21:29:54
168.   underdog
Eric, I agree with you completely about The Searchers. A great film with flaws. Fascinating nonetheless.

And Saito looked like the Saito we saw consistently earlier in the season. His stuff was filthy tonight and he mixed pitches real well. Nice win, I breathe a sigh of relief given Lowe's injury and bid you all good night.

2006-08-26 21:32:49
169.   skybluestoday
Re: 116

I prefer his Captain Bligh turn in "Red River." When John Wayne played A Bad Dude, he made me appreciate how great it was that he was mostly On Our Side in his movies. (i.e "Stagecoach," which is a timeless classic on all fronts).

2006-08-26 21:34:21
170.   Jon Weisman
164 - "It manages the nifty trick of being simultaneuously racist and critical of rasicm, which is interesting. So much of the acting is downright awful"

Yes ... ultimately, this is what I was left with. Not that there aren't great parts to it.

2006-08-26 21:34:30
171.   Jeromy
I don't know why, but I am getting obsessed with the 3-2 count. Dodger hitters did very well tonight in that situation: 2-3, 2 walks, HR, 3RBI. Yet the Dodger pitchers gave up 4 hits and an RBI when the count was full. They slightly redeemed themselves by striking out 3.
2006-08-26 21:35:28
172.   skybluestoday
Re: 168

I agree that "The Searchers" is fascinating. It certainly has some of the greatest cinematography of any 1950s film -- nowadays I stare at it, agog. But the awkwardness of much of the acting burns me badly. I have tried so hard to love "The Searchers" over the years, but every time I see it nowadays, I wince.

My favorite Western is "The Wild Bunch." They don't make 'm like that any more.

2006-08-26 21:40:21
173.   skybluestoday
Re: 170

Yeah, my feelings put more or less in line there.

I think "Red River" is the greatest of all classical (i.e premodernist) Westerns. It's so amazing to see the Old School (Wayne) going up against the Method (Clift). Hawks was so awesome in his ability to make a film come to a point. I realize that "Red River" is ultimately a disaster because the last couple of scenes don't work -- but I do feel that I would be a poorer individual should I never have seen this masterpiece.

2006-08-26 21:41:02
174.   Greg Brock
Many a western has been thrown around this evening, and I'm just going to say

Magnificent Seven (I know...Kurosawa, blah blah)
The Searchers
Shane
High Noon
Unforgiven

That's my top 5, and I'm sticking to it.

2006-08-26 21:42:42
175.   Scanman33
Jon-

LOL. The topic of this thread describes the last 14 months with our little girl. Of course, my wife swears it's the other way around.

2006-08-26 21:43:30
176.   skybluestoday
Re: 174

How do you feel about Leone and Peckinpah?

2006-08-26 21:43:43
177.   Jon Weisman
Gary Cooper has just never done it for me at all.
2006-08-26 21:43:55
178.   Eric Enders
I feel we should take bets on whether A Martinez makes it out of this Kent interview alive. Kent's rather ornery tonight.
2006-08-26 21:44:12
179.   Jon Weisman
175 - My wife knows she's living large lately.
2006-08-26 21:45:31
180.   Eric Enders
my top ten westerns

1. The Wild Bunch
2. The Searchers
3. Red River
4. Dances With Wolves (go ahead, fire away)
5. Butch Cassidy
6. High Noon
7. The Ox-Bow Incident
8. The Shootist
9. Stagecoach
10. Lonely Are the Brave

2006-08-26 21:46:14
181.   StolenMonkey86
Beltre tied it in Seattle with a home run to lead off the 8th. Then, they got runners on the corners, and Broussard got the M's the lead on a sac fly.

Is a leadoff homer a rally igniter?

2006-08-26 21:46:25
182.   Scanman33
179-Has she offered to switch off at all? My wife has done that a few times and vice versa.
2006-08-26 21:46:39
183.   Jeromy
The best western ever is actually a murder mystery: Lone Star.
2006-08-26 21:47:21
184.   Greg Brock
176 Never really fell in love with Sergio Leone westerns. Good, but not my cup of tea.

Peckinpah...Hooray! Where the men were men and the women were scenery (and that's just wrong, by the way). Peckinpah is awesome. He was also brought up today over at The Griddle.

2006-08-26 21:47:22
185.   skybluestoday
Re: 177

"High Noon" feels pedantic and foolish to me. I don't really get Gary Cooper's supposed charisma for the most part -- though I do enjoy the Capras ("Mr. Deeds Goes to Town," "Meet John Doe") with which he is involved.

2006-08-26 21:47:42
186.   Scanman33
What, no Back to the Future III on the list?
2006-08-26 21:49:20
187.   Eric Enders
183 I don't really consider Lone Star a western but you'll get no argument from me if you want to call it the best western ever.

Heck, you might not even get an argument from me if you wanted to call it the best movie ever.

2006-08-26 21:49:22
188.   underdog
okay, can't resist - I wrote a lil' primer on Westerns if anyone needs some bedtime reading.

http://www.greencine.com/static/primers/westerns.jsp

Wrote it awhile ago; probably needs updating...

My favorites are a-plenty, but I'm partial to some of the darker ones - Wild Bunch, Once Upon a Time in the West being two of them. And also have a fondness for the comic types, like Support Your Local Sheriff and Butch and Sundance. Don't forget Destry Rides again, too, an oldie but a goodie.

Night!

2006-08-26 21:50:25
189.   skybluestoday
Re: 184.

He's probably my favorite filmmaker (Peckinpah). He gets a bad rap because of the portrayal of Amy in "Straw Dogs," but he was in most ways a deep and intensely personal filmmaker -- maybe on the level of a Jean Renoir. Even people who hate Peckinpah for his media personality generally admit that "Ride the High Country" was probably the Last Great Classic Western.

2006-08-26 21:51:02
190.   bhsportsguy
186 If not for the weak second movie (I think it needed fifties Biff to reveal himself as Michael J. Fox's real father to make it worthwhile), BTF series might have been the 3rd greatest 3 movie series behind the LOR films and the first Star Wars series.
2006-08-26 21:51:19
191.   dzzrtRatt
Where do you put "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," "The Outlaw Josey Wales," "The Sons of Katie Elder" or "The Cowboys?"

I love most of the films on Eric's list, but some of them are kinda like work to watch. The above four (along with Red River, Butch Cassidy and Stagecoach from Eric's list) always make me happy.

2006-08-26 21:51:38
192.   Bob Timmermann
High Noon - Newlywed waits for train, shoots man in back.

Actually, I like the movie.

2006-08-26 21:53:43
193.   Eric Enders
189 So many of the great westerns are really about time passing their protagonists by -- The Searchers, Ride the High Country, Butch and Sundance, the Wild Bunch, Lonely Are the Brave...
2006-08-26 21:54:06
194.   dzzrtRatt
Tonight's game was kind of like a Western. Just imagine the mountains around Phoenix...the shot to Lowe's hand coming from a gun instead of a line drive, and everyone saying, "at least it wasn't his shootin' hand." And Lonesome Jeff Kent hitting the game-winner.
2006-08-26 21:54:23
195.   Greg Brock
For some reason, I never really think of Dances with Wolves as a western, which is so fundamentally stupid. I leave it off my list, but it's in my top ten all time favorites.

Bob keeps kicking my favorite westerns in the chaps.

2006-08-26 21:55:22
196.   Scanman33
190-I think I'm the only person who liked II more than the other ones.
2006-08-26 21:55:51
197.   Bob Timmermann
195

No, I look "High Noon" because of the song and the fact that the director has a tastefullly spelled last name.

2006-08-26 21:56:58
198.   Eric Enders
197 got a spit take from me.

I like it because of Grace Kelly and Katy Jurado.

2006-08-26 21:57:22
199.   skybluestoday
Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling!
2006-08-26 21:59:11
200.   Blu2
155 Part of the John Ford Trilogy. Other two great movies are Rio Grande and Fort Apache which stars Henry Fonda and Shirley Temple as well as Wayne. They are great.
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2006-08-26 21:59:26
201.   bhsportsguy
Movies that I will watch no matter what time I happen to catch it on TV.

El Dorado - Just lots of fun with Mitchum and Wayne yucking it up and nice early role for James Caan.

Rio Bravo - Wayne is a little stiff in this role but Brennan, Martin and even Ricky Nelson do some good stuff, a young Angie Dickinson makes for a nice diversion when she's not talking.

My Darling Clementine - Great movie, maybe Ford's best Western, not so much for the classic showdown at the OK Corral but for the little moments in the film.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, any scenes with Newman and Redford still stand up, Paul Newman is what guys like Tom Cruise should strive to be like.

THe post Liberty Valance years were not kind to Wayne but another movie that shows up now and then is "Big Jake" and the I like that one for the running gag of when Wayne is asked what is name is and he tells them, the person always says. "I thought you were dead" Otherwise forgettable but its not a waste of 2 hours.

2006-08-26 22:00:28
202.   Bob Timmermann
He made a vow while in state's prison
Vowed it would be my life or his'n.
2006-08-26 22:04:16
203.   Icaros
Last time a Western discussion came up I asked if I was the only one to see Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence, starring Klaus Kinski as the villain (of course).

It took place in the snowy mountains of Utah (really Italy or Spain) and featured a mute hero.

I was the only one here to have seen this film then, what about tonight? Anybody?

2006-08-26 22:05:16
204.   Eric Enders
201 Writing and acting-wise I was never a fan of My Darling Clementine, but I think you could make an argument for it as the most beautifully shot western ever.

Liberty Valance I never liked. I don't find the story engaging and I find it very dull visually. I think critics have for the most part printed the legend.

Shane is good but a little too sentimental for my tastes. I like my movies very dark.

Hondo is a good one that nobody ever talks about.

ditto Ford's Sgt. Rutledge, with the title role played by Jackie Robinson's former teammate Woody Strode.

2006-08-26 22:06:40
205.   Greg Brock
Alright, I'm going to shoot for the umimpeachable statement, and say that the Magnificent Seven score is the best western music of all time. Who's going to be the contrarian and argue with that?

{prepares for someone to argue with that}

2006-08-26 22:07:31
206.   Eric Enders
203 Not me. I just added it to my Netflix queue, though, so I'll get to it 181 films from now.
2006-08-26 22:08:38
207.   Eric Enders
205 It's good, but a little too John Williamsy.

[Tries to think of something better...]

[still trying...]

[still...]

2006-08-26 22:09:35
208.   skybluestoday
Re: 206

Jerry Fielding's "Wild Bunch" score is pretty intense. Not in a hit-single kind of way, but nonetheless a five-star classic.

Sorry to detract... ;-)

2006-08-26 22:11:19
209.   skybluestoday
I also adore the two Monte Hellman sleepers with Jack Nicholson from 1966 or so -- "Ride in the Whirlwind" and "The Shooting."
2006-08-26 22:11:48
210.   Bob Timmermann
205

Ennio Morricone's scores were better.

2006-08-26 22:12:32
211.   Jon Weisman
180 - love Lonely Are the Brave

Butch is a longtime favorite.

The Misfits, as longtime readers of DT should know, is my favorite movie ever, and I think you could call it a Western, or postmodern western.

2006-08-26 22:14:02
212.   Icaros
206

Let me know what you think when you see it in 2009.

2006-08-26 22:15:48
213.   Icaros
I refuse the premise that any Western score not written by Ennio Morricone could ever be considered "the best."
2006-08-26 22:16:32
214.   skybluestoday
Re: 180

Would most definitely place "Ride The High Country" far above "High Noon," "Dances with Wolves," "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," "The Shootist," and "Lonely are teh Brave." (Although I more or less admire all of those films for different reasons.)

2006-08-26 22:18:27
215.   skybluestoday
Re: 205

Leone's scores are classics; Bernstein's work on "Magnificent Seven" is cool but cheesy. (IMHO)

2006-08-26 22:20:05
216.   Greg Brock
Well, I laid down the gauntlet, and you guys shot the gauntlet in the face with a bazooka.

You're wrong! You're all wrong! Bum pa pa pa, bum padumpapa. Daannnnaaaaaa naanaa naannnaa!

2006-08-26 22:22:47
217.   Eric Enders
212 I run through 'em pretty quick. I expect I'll get to it by early 2008.

Actually your comment piqued my curiosity so I went and checked... I've returned 479 films since Sept 2001, for an average of about 98 a year. So late 2008, probably.

2006-08-26 22:24:14
218.   Vaudeville Villain
Just to get into a little bit of the western flavor, and to name something more current, Tombstone is really good, and is slept on quite a bit, I find. Some awesome performances in that film.

Also, Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.

2006-08-26 22:25:39
219.   Greg Brock
Bob, I don't remember if you've already covered this, but I've got some good Griddle fodder for ya.

http://tinyurl.com/mshnh

2006-08-26 22:27:20
220.   Eric Enders
211 I could never get over my sense of the Misfits being the mother of all missed opportunities, given the talent involved.

You have Gable, you have Clift, you have Monroe, you have Wallach, you have Huston, you have Miller. By all rights that should be the greatest movie of all time, or pretty darn close to it. And yet it just didn't do anything for me.

It's kind of like the '62 Dodgers not making the World Series.

What year was The Misfits made again?

2006-08-26 22:28:45
221.   Linkmeister
I don't know Morriccone at all.

I'd argue that the score for Magnificent Seven is one of the top three recognizable scores of all time, along with Star Wars and some other one (your choice).

I liked Rio Bravo; I enjoyed the heck out of McClintock, just because Wayne and O'Hara looked to be having so much fun in those roles.

2006-08-26 22:31:48
222.   Icaros
So late 2008, probably.

That'll coincide nicely with the Dodgers' first World Series title in 20 years.

2006-08-26 22:32:26
223.   Eric Enders
218 Val Kilmer's scenery chewing kind of rubbed me th wrong way. I much preferred the less flashy and more introspective "Wyatt Earp."
2006-08-26 22:32:36
224.   Greg Brock
220 That's the exact same way I feel about Giant. Classic book, good director, Dean, Taylor, Hudson, all at their best, and the movie is just good. I love it, I own it, but it should have been all super epicky.

The same could be said for Exodus, which I also love and own. Just a really good movie.

2006-08-26 22:33:04
225.   Bob Timmermann
Everybody seems to be very excited about Jim Bouton's vintage baseball league.

I do not seem to be one of them.

2006-08-26 22:33:34
226.   Eric Enders
221 "I'd argue that the score for Magnificent Seven is one of the top three recognizable scores of all time, along with Star Wars and some other one (your choice)."

Psycho
Jaws
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Chariots of Fire
Raiders of the Lost Ark

2006-08-26 22:33:35
227.   dzzrtRatt
205 Since neither Henry Mancini nor Danny Elfman ever wrote a western score, I think your assertion is safe. I love the Magnificent Seven score.

However, if one's definition of the western can be stretched to include the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Howard Shore might stand up to the test.

The Misfits is your favorite movie, Jon? Your absolute favorite? Wow. That is an amazing choice for a #1. I tend to see that movie as fascinating, beautiful, well-acted, but at times so overwritten, it's hard to sit through all of it. Why do you like it so much that you'd put it above the typical list of classics like Casablanca, Godfather, Citizen Kane, Red River, Vertigo, Sunset Boulevard, The Graduate...

2006-08-26 22:35:53
228.   Eric Enders
225 I play vintage baseball occasionally. It's fun but it's not as good as real baseball.

Plugging baserunners is lots of fun, though.

2006-08-26 22:37:13
229.   Icaros
I don't know Morricone at all.

Surely you've heard the theme from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

I'd hum it for you, but I doubt I can project out to the islands.

2006-08-26 22:38:31
230.   das411
Sweet!! Major League is on tonight!!! All the glorious late 80s hairdos and clothing and music and some ugly non-Jacobs Field ballpark. And we haven't even seen Yankee villain Sal Fasano yet!!

Meanwhile has anybody noticed that Trevor Hoffman is only 8 saves shy of the great Lee Arthur Smith?

Gotta run, Pedro Cerrano is up!!

2006-08-26 22:39:45
231.   bhsportsguy
For opening scenes, its a dark period for music but watching John Travolta strut to "Stayin Alive" remains one of the best.
2006-08-26 22:39:46
232.   Icaros
230

That ballpark is actually County Stadium, the Brewers former hole (home).

2006-08-26 22:42:26
233.   Linkmeister
229 Well, see, that's the problem. I know the music very well indeed, but I don't recognize the name of the composer.

The same thing happened to me when I started buying classical music. The first time I heard Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" on a CD I'd bought I slapped my forehead and said "So that's what that music's called!"

2006-08-26 22:48:54
234.   Icaros
According to the IMDB, Morricone has scored 556 different films.

That means if you rent any three movies, he'll be the composer on at least one of them, and of course there will be a link to Kevin Bacon as well.

2006-08-26 22:51:43
235.   Icaros
The 556 also includes TV stuff.
2006-08-26 22:53:28
236.   Bob Timmermann
Morricone's most notable work has been in "Once Upon a Time in the West", "The Mission" and "The Untouchables"

He also wrote one of the themes used for the TV series "The Virginian." It's called "The Men from Shiloh"

2006-08-26 22:56:49
237.   Eric Enders
235, 234 Speaking of "TV stuff," how in the world could I forget about Lonesome Dove? That's a really great piece of filmmaking. (And the book is even better.)

In high school a group of friends and I made up the Kevin Bacon game and played it on bus trips. Only we called it the Rob Reiner game. We were distressed to later find that it wasn't so original.

2006-08-26 22:58:01
238.   Eric Enders
234 And a cynic would say he's composed 100 different scores for those 556 films.
2006-08-26 23:00:40
239.   Disabled List
The Wild Bunch and The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly top the list of the best westerns of all time. Glad to see we've got some Peckinpah fans in here.

And Ennio Morricone's score for TG,TB,&TU is the greatest film score EVER. Way better than the John Williams pablum that came after.

According to IMDb, Morricone has done scores for 556 films! Wow...

2006-08-26 23:01:15
240.   Disabled List
234 Man, you've got to be quick in here!
2006-08-26 23:05:18
241.   Eric Enders
Hey, you're just lucky Bob hadn't posted it on the Griddle already.
2006-08-26 23:06:27
242.   Icaros
240

It's okay. We don't expect someone on the DL to be able to keep up.

2006-08-26 23:13:44
243.   Disabled List
Yeah, I'm a little slow on the uptake around here.

BTW, I don't know if this has been discussed here yet, but personally, I think Hee Seop Choi is underrated.

2006-08-26 23:14:23
244.   Greg Brock
241 Genuine LOL
2006-08-26 23:19:02
245.   Telemachos
I can't believe I missed the discussion on Peckinpah, Leone, and westerns in general. Seesh. (Glad to see the Dodgers managed a win, btw).

I agree with some of the sentiments expressed about "The Searchers", in that it has some magnificent moments, and I think Wayne's character is strikingly interesting; yet the film is tremendously maudlin and overacted at times, and the inherent raciscm is downright uncomfortable.

But I came to the genre late and so tend to appreciate deconstructist westerns more than the traditional ones: WILD BUNCH and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST being two of my faves. Peckinpah's RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY is a great brend of the old and new, IMHO -- and for a real chance of pace, I recommend THE BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE.... hard to describe easily, but sort of a whimsical, light-hearted re-examination of the same thematic elements from THE WILD BUNCH, except expressed more in musical comedic terms. Cable Hogue is certainly one of more enjoyable characters seen in a western, and one of Jason Robards' great great roles.

2006-08-26 23:19:22
246.   caseybarker
"Support Your Local Sheriff/Gunslinger" are my two favorite "Westerns".
2006-08-26 23:21:19
247.   Eric Enders
I notice nobody really mentioned any of the anti-Westerns like Little Big Man or McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Not my cup of tea, really, but apparently they were someone's.
2006-08-26 23:26:06
248.   Greg Brock
I love Altman, and absolutely despise Warren Beatty's acting, so McCabe is kind of a mixed bag for me.
2006-08-26 23:32:37
249.   Bob Timmermann
And depending upon your location in the U.S., there are about 18 1/2 hours until the last "Deadwood".
2006-08-26 23:43:49
250.   Eric Enders
249 I'm reading a nonfiction book about Deadwood right now. (Watson Parker if anyone wants to look it up on Amazon.)

I was surprised to find how many of the characters were actually historical. Wild Bill, Wyatt Earp, Jack McCall, Hearst, Calamity Jane, of course. But Seth Bullock, Sol Starr, Al Swearingen, E.B. Farnum, A.W. Merrick, Aunt Lou, Jack Langrishe, N----- General Fields, Charlie Utter, Johnny Burns, Nuttall... all were real people and are discussed in the book.

Apparently Mrs. Al Swearingen was often seen about town sporting black eyes.

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2006-08-26 23:47:16
251.   Greg Brock
250 Now that I can sneak this in without fear of avalanche, I thought Wyatt Earp was a far better movie than Tombstone.
2006-08-26 23:50:21
252.   Telemachos
I've never seen WYATT EARP, but I can't consider TOMBSTONE anything but a guilty pleasure. I enjoy it a lot -- mainly for the shameless slam-handed direction and ripe juicy over-acting -- but I'd hardly consider it a serious film of any kind. To me, it's closer to (though better than) the YOUNG GUNS movies than anything by Eastwood, Leone, Ford, Peckinpah, etc.

To TOMBSTONE's credit, it has a truly awesome list of character actors: everyone from Michael Biehn and Sam Elliot to Billy Bob Thornton and Powers Boothe, and practically everyone in between.

2006-08-26 23:50:56
253.   nofatmike
I know I'm late to the party on Gio, but is it possible to give an incentive contract to retire?

Like, say we start Gio out at 2 million, but give him 4 million dollars more if he retires for half a season, then a whole year, then two, and three and so forth. And then give him other incentives, like a million dollars if he doesn't pick up a ball, 4 million if he breaks his right arm, 6 million if it catches gangrene, 8 if he chops his right arm off, 12 million if he chops both arms off, and 32 million if he signs with the Giants.

I'm not sure if the Dodgers would go for it, so I think we should set up a fund and donate money to his retirement. Hey, if you can invest in another guy's retirement, why not Gio's?

2006-08-26 23:55:25
254.   Eric Enders
252 Young Guns has always been a guilty pleasure of mine. Of course, I have an excuse; I was 11 when it came out. (Something else notable happened that year...)

I will even admit to once owning a cassette single of Bon Jovi's title track from Young Guns II.

2006-08-27 00:43:19
255.   Steve
SYOS is straight-up Rockford-riffic. SYOG is more uneven.
2006-08-27 00:48:43
256.   Uncle Miltie
paryy's over and I'm kind of messed up, but I'm glad to see that the Dodgers won. A win is a win even if Jeff Kent does it.
2006-08-27 01:18:38
257.   Bob Timmermann
In the Times story, Lugo's agent is demanding a trade for his client.
2006-08-27 01:54:46
258.   Andrew Shimmin
"Although Julio will always remain professional, it's becoming a frustrating situation," [Lugo's agent, Dan Lozano] said. "I'd like to believe the Dodgers did not trade away one of their top prospects for an All-Star-caliber shortstop to sit the bench."

So say we all.

2006-08-27 02:47:30
259.   Andrew Shimmin
Plaschke's now cribbing the shots he takes at Penny from letters to the editor. It comes at the end of his celebration of the heroism shown by the Angels in plunking Jeter twice, but not also charging the mound when the Yankees retaliated.
2006-08-27 03:18:57
260.   natepurcell
Emailed you back Andrew. Im going to bed now.
2006-08-27 06:38:50
261.   JKB
My Top Five Best Western Sountracks:
#5. The Magnificent Seven
#4. The Good, Bad and The Ugly
#3. Wyatt Earp
#2. Dances with Wolves
#1. The Big Country (by Jerome Moross. incredible score. Blows everything else out of the waterin hole)

My Top Ten Westerns:
#10. The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean
#9. The Magnificent Seven
#8. Jeremiah Johnson
#7. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
#6. The Big Country
#5. A Man Called Horse
#4. The Good, Bad and the Ugly
#3. Little Big Man
#2. Dances with Wolves
#1. Tombstone (Loved the dialog, "I'm your huckleberry and why Johnnie Ringo, you look like someone just walked over your grave.")

2006-08-27 06:52:09
262.   JKB
Aw sucks! I forgot these other great western soundtracks:

How the West was Won (should be in my top 5 list)
Maverick
The Cowboys
The Alamo (John Wayne version)
Jeremiah Johnson

2006-08-27 07:14:41
263.   skybluestoday
Re: 247

Wow, I'm so glad someone brought up "McCabe & Mrs Miller." I guess I don't think of it as a Western per se (though it clearly is); I do think it's one of the most beautiful and striking American films I've ever seen, though.

2006-08-27 07:29:30
264.   D4P
Not sure if "All the Pretty Horses" qualifies as a "western," and it certainly doesn't qualify as a "good" movie, but it does have a great soundtrack.
2006-08-27 08:03:43
265.   Jon Weisman
Yes indeed, Lonesome Dove.

227 - It just hits me emotionally in a way no other movie hits me.

2006-08-27 08:32:22
266.   Marty
I can't believe I missed out on Western Thoiughts. My favorites:

1. Red River
2. Shane. Loudest gunfire in a movie.
3. My Darling Clementine. Henry Fonda dancing!
4. Lonely are the Brave
5. Unforgiven
6. Liberty Valance
7. The Wild Bunch
8. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
9. Destry Rides Again
10. Little Big Man

Others I like: Ballad of Cable Hogue, Winchester 73, Josey Wales, Hang em High, The Searchers, Rio Bravo.

Westerns I don't particularly like:

High Noon
Dances with Wolves
Stagecoach

2006-08-27 08:33:32
267.   Marty
263 I'm the same way. I love McCabe and Mrs. Miller but never think of it as a Western. It's my favorite Altman film.
2006-08-27 10:07:22
268.   Greg Brock
267 More than MASH and Nashville?

Shocking revelations

2006-08-27 10:37:32
269.   skybluestoday
Re: 268

You're talking about three instant classics here. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that there were at least two more masterpieces from Altman during this remarkable run of movies in the early 1970s -- "The Long Goodbye" and (the little-known) "Thieves Like Us."

Altman was on such a tear during this period -- I don't know too many other filmmakers who have such a consistent body of work over such a short period of time. Maybe Buster Keaton with his late 1920s classics, Godard in the 1960s ("Breathless" through "Weekend"), Von Sternberg with the baroque Dietrich vehicles in the early 1930s.

2006-08-27 11:00:25
270.   Andrew Shimmin
260- Thanks Nate.
2006-08-27 11:06:26
271.   Greg Brock
268 I would add Fellini from mid 50's to early 60's, and Scorcese from Boxcar Bertha to Raging Bull (if you grant a pardon to New York New York).
2006-09-27 23:06:21
272.   StolenMonkey86
From the AP story on ESPN

Dodgers shortstop Nomar Garciaparra tied his season high with three hits despite a sore side muscle and a sore quadriceps, which limited him to a single when he hit a ball off the wall in the first inning.

"What, he's playing first?!"

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