Somehow, I doubt it.

Does the Toaster round to the nearest second, or does it round in a specified direction (i.e. up or down)?

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The Twins still lead 5-3.

Tony Clark AND Craig Counsell starting for the DBacks tonight!

Eric Byrnes is in right with Chris Young in center.

I think we cleared $125. To which I say, this is simply not worth it. To which she says, that's what we said 7 years ago. At least we had some shade and I got to visit with neighbors. Not one single comment on the Dodger shirt. The only place I'm likely to ever get acknowledgement is in the local taqueria.

its gone now. mods of the dodgers scout.com board delted it. that is a really good board and im sad hes there now. The prospect thread there dates back to like 2002!

Not even close.

1. GIDP
2. HR

Number of runs you can score after a homerun: infinite.

Number of runners that can be on base after a homerun: 0

Maximum number of outs left in inning after HR:????

Maximum number of brain cells still functioning in Steve Lyons brain: >1 and <??????

after a home run: 3

They earlier ran a piece on why diving is good for soccer.

And an essay on why "The Searchers" is a bad movie.

Wilber II really needs to heat up soon or else one of our shortstops is going to be making a lot of starts at 3B.

Martin said he wanted to catch.

And Pedro said to leave him in. Players are retarded.

I prefer to think of it as competitive.

It's like the girl that all your friends tell you is a knockout, and you just don't see it.

Jerry Owens was going to be UCLA's Mike Williams.

Hooray for sentimentality!

http://www.kithfan.org/work/transcripts/one/negotiate.html

Okay, it's barely related, but what the heck ...

left hand/wrist i think.

Well....Kuo?

My hunch is that is Beimel will pitch a bit here and then we will, get ready...

Hendrickson.

WWSH

line drive hit his left hand/wrist.

Of course, my guess is that Little will either put Sele or Tomko back in the rotation before going to a rookie in the heat of a pennant race.

WWSH

Of course, Matt had 14 by the end of June.

I feel that "The Searchers" is perhaps the most overrated western of them all. I find it clumsy, heavy-handed, and awkward all the way through -- I think there are probably about 1/2 dozen Ford films I would happily take before having to down "The Searchers" again. (And so far as other directors working within the genre, I much prefer the westerns of Mann, Boetticher, Leone, Peckinpah, and even Hawks -- I think that "Red River," for example, is far superior to the big Ford westerns, though I like much of Ford's work outside of the genre.)

Is three runs enough tonite?

You don't have to be a doctor to figure out Kemp can deliver some power.

The Slate critic thought that the problem with the movie was that the actors did not bring the sensibilities of the time the movie was made (the 1950s) in to the film. Or some such nonsense like that. It was highly pretentious.

Unbelievable. He shortened the careers of two HOF-caliber pitchers, in part by manipulating them into thinking that giving up a complete game was wimpy; and here he is, bragging about it.

It is, however, one of the most beautiful movies I've seen, and is, in my opinion, John Wayne's best performance. As for the tone of the movie, it is very anachronistic. That's kind of the point. Maybe the Slate critic missed that.

http://www.slate.com/id/2145142/

Batista writes poems and has Mel Gibson-like tendencies too.

116 - Wayne's best performance? What about The Shootist?

No, but I also liked him in The Quiet Man and the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance... but Red River and Stagecoach are both great.

Anyone else not want to bother watching the game if it goes to extras? My confidence level for the Dodgers drops to zero in extra innings.

116 I'll listen to arguments for The Shootist. Another great flick.

My favorite Orson Welles quote is the one where they asked him the three greatest directors, and he replied "John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford."

Yeah, Tomko looked like he wanted to stay in there when he was pulled.

Okay, here we go.

Plus Lofton does have a rather high percentage.

Bunting Byrnes (who's hit 18HRs), at the BOB, against TOMKO, down by 1 run...Dbax fans now know what its like to sit through a season of Jim Tracy.

Josh Byrnes still has one rather large mess to clean up I think.

It is no exaggeration to say that in my home growing up, The Searchers was held in far greater esteem than The Bible. In fact, I was named Eric Edward Enders instead of Ethan Edward Enders only because my mother put her foot down at the last minute.

It's a wonderful movie, but it's probably more deeply flawed than any other truly great film. It manages the nifty trick of being simultaneuously racist and critical of rasicm, which is interesting. So much of the acting is downright awful -- Ken Curtis and Pat Wayne drive me up the wall, and Jeffrey Hunter has his bad moments too. And don't get me started on Look.

But the great parts are so great that they more than make up for the many flaws.

And Saito looked like the Saito we saw consistently earlier in the season. His stuff was filthy tonight and he mixed pitches real well. Nice win, I breathe a sigh of relief given Lowe's injury and bid you all good night.

I prefer his Captain Bligh turn in "Red River." When John Wayne played A Bad Dude, he made me appreciate how great it was that he was mostly On Our Side in his movies. (i.e "Stagecoach," which is a timeless classic on all fronts).

Yes ... ultimately, this is what I was left with. Not that there aren't great parts to it.

I agree that "The Searchers" is fascinating. It certainly has some of the greatest cinematography of any 1950s film -- nowadays I stare at it, agog. But the awkwardness of much of the acting burns me badly. I have tried so hard to love "The Searchers" over the years, but every time I see it nowadays, I wince.

My favorite Western is "The Wild Bunch." They don't make 'm like that any more.

Yeah, my feelings put more or less in line there.

I think "Red River" is the greatest of all classical (i.e premodernist) Westerns. It's so amazing to see the Old School (Wayne) going up against the Method (Clift). Hawks was so awesome in his ability to make a film come to a point. I realize that "Red River" is ultimately a disaster because the last couple of scenes don't work -- but I do feel that I would be a poorer individual should I never have seen this masterpiece.

Magnificent Seven (I know...Kurosawa, blah blah)
The Searchers
Shane
High Noon
Unforgiven

That's my top 5, and I'm sticking to it.

LOL. The topic of this thread describes the last 14 months with our little girl. Of course, my wife swears it's the other way around.

How do you feel about Leone and Peckinpah?

1. The Wild Bunch
2. The Searchers
3. Red River
4. Dances With Wolves (go ahead, fire away)
5. Butch Cassidy
6. High Noon
7. The Ox-Bow Incident
8. The Shootist
9. Stagecoach
10. Lonely Are the Brave

Is a leadoff homer a rally igniter?

Peckinpah...Hooray! Where the men were men and the women were scenery (and that's just wrong, by the way). Peckinpah is awesome. He was also brought up today over at The Griddle.

"High Noon" feels pedantic and foolish to me. I don't really get Gary Cooper's supposed charisma for the most part -- though I do enjoy the Capras ("Mr. Deeds Goes to Town," "Meet John Doe") with which he is involved.

Heck, you might not even get an argument from me if you wanted to call it the best movie ever.

http://www.greencine.com/static/primers/westerns.jsp

Wrote it awhile ago; probably needs updating...

My favorites are a-plenty, but I'm partial to some of the darker ones - Wild Bunch, Once Upon a Time in the West being two of them. And also have a fondness for the comic types, like Support Your Local Sheriff and Butch and Sundance. Don't forget Destry Rides again, too, an oldie but a goodie.

Night!

He's probably my favorite filmmaker (Peckinpah). He gets a bad rap because of the portrayal of Amy in "Straw Dogs," but he was in most ways a deep and intensely personal filmmaker -- maybe on the level of a Jean Renoir. Even people who hate Peckinpah for his media personality generally admit that "Ride the High Country" was probably the Last Great Classic Western.

I love most of the films on Eric's list, but some of them are kinda like work to watch. The above four (along with Red River, Butch Cassidy and Stagecoach from Eric's list) always make me happy.

Actually, I like the movie.

Bob keeps kicking my favorite westerns in the chaps.

No, I look "High Noon" because of the song and the fact that the director has a tastefullly spelled last name.

I like it because of Grace Kelly and Katy Jurado.

El Dorado - Just lots of fun with Mitchum and Wayne yucking it up and nice early role for James Caan.

Rio Bravo - Wayne is a little stiff in this role but Brennan, Martin and even Ricky Nelson do some good stuff, a young Angie Dickinson makes for a nice diversion when she's not talking.

My Darling Clementine - Great movie, maybe Ford's best Western, not so much for the classic showdown at the OK Corral but for the little moments in the film.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, any scenes with Newman and Redford still stand up, Paul Newman is what guys like Tom Cruise should strive to be like.

THe post Liberty Valance years were not kind to Wayne but another movie that shows up now and then is "Big Jake" and the I like that one for the running gag of when Wayne is asked what is name is and he tells them, the person always says. "I thought you were dead" Otherwise forgettable but its not a waste of 2 hours.

It took place in the snowy mountains of Utah (really Italy or Spain) and featured a mute hero.

I was the only one here to have seen this film then, what about tonight? Anybody?

Liberty Valance I never liked. I don't find the story engaging and I find it very dull visually. I think critics have for the most part printed the legend.

Shane is good but a little too sentimental for my tastes. I like my movies very dark.

Hondo is a good one that nobody ever talks about.

ditto Ford's Sgt. Rutledge, with the title role played by Jackie Robinson's former teammate Woody Strode.

{prepares for someone to argue with that}

[Tries to think of something better...]

[still trying...]

[still...]

Jerry Fielding's "Wild Bunch" score is pretty intense. Not in a hit-single kind of way, but nonetheless a five-star classic.

Sorry to detract... ;-)

Ennio Morricone's scores were better.

Butch is a longtime favorite.

The Misfits, as longtime readers of DT should know, is my favorite movie ever, and I think you could call it a Western, or postmodern western.

Let me know what you think when you see it in 2009.

Would most definitely place "Ride The High Country" far above "High Noon," "Dances with Wolves," "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," "The Shootist," and "Lonely are teh Brave." (Although I more or less admire all of those films for different reasons.)

Leone's scores are classics; Bernstein's work on "Magnificent Seven" is cool but cheesy. (IMHO)

You're wrong! You're all wrong! Bum pa pa pa, bum padumpapa. Daannnnaaaaaa naanaa naannnaa!

Actually your comment piqued my curiosity so I went and checked... I've returned 479 films since Sept 2001, for an average of about 98 a year. So late 2008, probably.

Also, Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.

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You have Gable, you have Clift, you have Monroe, you have Wallach, you have Huston, you have Miller. By all rights that should be the greatest movie of all time, or pretty darn close to it. And yet it just didn't do anything for me.

It's kind of like the '62 Dodgers not making the World Series.

What year was The Misfits made again?

I'd argue that the score for Magnificent Seven is one of the top three recognizable scores of all time, along with Star Wars and some other one (your choice).

I liked Rio Bravo; I enjoyed the heck out of McClintock, just because Wayne and O'Hara looked to be having so much fun in those roles.

That'll coincide nicely with the Dodgers' first World Series title in 20 years.

The same could be said for Exodus, which I also love and own. Just a really good movie.

I do not seem to be one of them.

Psycho
Jaws
Breakfast at Tiffany's
Chariots of Fire
Raiders of the Lost Ark

However, if one's definition of the western can be stretched to include the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Howard Shore might stand up to the test.

The Misfits is your favorite movie, Jon? Your absolute favorite? Wow. That is an amazing choice for a #1. I tend to see that movie as fascinating, beautiful, well-acted, but at times so overwritten, it's hard to sit through all of it. Why do you like it so much that you'd put it above the typical list of classics like Casablanca, Godfather, Citizen Kane, Red River, Vertigo, Sunset Boulevard, The Graduate...

Plugging baserunners is lots of fun, though.

Surely you've heard the theme from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

I'd hum it for you, but I doubt I can project out to the islands.

Meanwhile has anybody noticed that Trevor Hoffman is only 8 saves shy of the great Lee Arthur Smith?

Gotta run, Pedro Cerrano is up!!

That ballpark is actually County Stadium, the Brewers former hole (home).

The same thing happened to me when I started buying classical music. The first time I heard Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons" on a CD I'd bought I slapped my forehead and said "So that's what that music's called!"

That means if you rent any three movies, he'll be the composer on at least one of them, and of course there will be a link to Kevin Bacon as well.

He also wrote one of the themes used for the TV series "The Virginian." It's called "The Men from Shiloh"

In high school a group of friends and I made up the Kevin Bacon game and played it on bus trips. Only we called it the Rob Reiner game. We were distressed to later find that it wasn't so original.

And Ennio Morricone's score for TG,TB,&TU is the greatest film score EVER. Way better than the John Williams pablum that came after.

According to IMDb, Morricone has done scores for 556 films! Wow...

It's okay. We don't expect someone on the DL to be able to keep up.

BTW, I don't know if this has been discussed here yet, but personally, I think Hee Seop Choi is underrated.

I agree with some of the sentiments expressed about "The Searchers", in that it has some magnificent moments, and I think Wayne's character is strikingly interesting; yet the film is tremendously maudlin and overacted at times, and the inherent raciscm is downright uncomfortable.

But I came to the genre late and so tend to appreciate deconstructist westerns more than the traditional ones: WILD BUNCH and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST being two of my faves. Peckinpah's RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY is a great brend of the old and new, IMHO -- and for a real chance of pace, I recommend THE BALLAD OF CABLE HOGUE.... hard to describe easily, but sort of a whimsical, light-hearted re-examination of the same thematic elements from THE WILD BUNCH, except expressed more in musical comedic terms. Cable Hogue is certainly one of more enjoyable characters seen in a western, and one of Jason Robards' great great roles.

I was surprised to find how many of the characters were actually historical. Wild Bill, Wyatt Earp, Jack McCall, Hearst, Calamity Jane, of course. But Seth Bullock, Sol Starr, Al Swearingen, E.B. Farnum, A.W. Merrick, Aunt Lou, Jack Langrishe, N----- General Fields, Charlie Utter, Johnny Burns, Nuttall... all were real people and are discussed in the book.

Apparently Mrs. Al Swearingen was often seen about town sporting black eyes.

To TOMBSTONE's credit, it has a truly awesome list of character actors: everyone from Michael Biehn and Sam Elliot to Billy Bob Thornton and Powers Boothe, and practically everyone in between.

Like, say we start Gio out at 2 million, but give him 4 million dollars more if he retires for half a season, then a whole year, then two, and three and so forth. And then give him other incentives, like a million dollars if he doesn't pick up a ball, 4 million if he breaks his right arm, 6 million if it catches gangrene, 8 if he chops his right arm off, 12 million if he chops both arms off, and 32 million if he signs with the Giants.

I'm not sure if the Dodgers would go for it, so I think we should set up a fund and donate money to his retirement. Hey, if you can invest in another guy's retirement, why not Gio's?

I will even admit to once owning a cassette single of Bon Jovi's title track from Young Guns II.

So say we all.

My Top Ten Westerns:
#10. The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean
#9. The Magnificent Seven
#8. Jeremiah Johnson
#7. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
#6. The Big Country
#5. A Man Called Horse
#4. The Good, Bad and the Ugly
#3. Little Big Man
#2. Dances with Wolves
#1. Tombstone (Loved the dialog, "I'm your huckleberry and why Johnnie Ringo, you look like someone just walked over your grave.")

How the West was Won (should be in my top 5 list)
Maverick
The Cowboys
The Alamo (John Wayne version)
Jeremiah Johnson

Wow, I'm so glad someone brought up "McCabe & Mrs Miller." I guess I don't think of it as a Western per se (though it clearly is); I do think it's one of the most beautiful and striking American films I've ever seen, though.

227 - It just hits me emotionally in a way no other movie hits me.

1. Red River
2. Shane. Loudest gunfire in a movie.
3. My Darling Clementine. Henry Fonda dancing!
4. Lonely are the Brave
5. Unforgiven
6. Liberty Valance
7. The Wild Bunch
8. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
9. Destry Rides Again
10. Little Big Man

Others I like: Ballad of Cable Hogue, Winchester 73, Josey Wales, Hang em High, The Searchers, Rio Bravo.

Westerns I don't particularly like:

High Noon
Dances with Wolves
Stagecoach

Shocking revelations

You're talking about three instant classics here. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that there were at least two more masterpieces from Altman during this remarkable run of movies in the early 1970s -- "The Long Goodbye" and (the little-known) "Thieves Like Us."

Altman was on such a tear during this period -- I don't know too many other filmmakers who have such a consistent body of work over such a short period of time. Maybe Buster Keaton with his late 1920s classics, Godard in the 1960s ("Breathless" through "Weekend"), Von Sternberg with the baroque Dietrich vehicles in the early 1930s.

Dodgers shortstop Nomar Garciaparra tied his season high with three hits despite a sore side muscle and a sore quadriceps, which limited him to a single when he hit a ball off the wall in the first inning.

"What, he's playing first?!"