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Emmy Chat Thread
2006-08-27 20:39
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Although apparently no one in the country was going to watch tonight, I am.

Kelly MacDonald just scored a George Mason-like upset (and well-deserved) in the best supporting actress category for a movie. She beat Shirley Jones, Ellen "17 Seconds" Burstyn, Alfre Woodard and Cloris Leachman. That's almost like beating four No. 1 seeds.

Baseball chat remains welcome here.

Comments (81)
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2006-08-27 20:43:38
1.   D4P
I hate award shows, but I'd like for Arrested Development and Scrubs to win something.
2006-08-27 20:47:42
2.   Jon Weisman
Award shows, like television, are flawed with just enough good moments to keep me coming back.
2006-08-27 20:50:21
3.   Icaros
...flawed with just enough good moments to keep me coming back.

Doesn't that also describe Dodgers baseball?

2006-08-27 20:50:43
4.   Bob Timmermann
This is sort of like hosting a chat for this afternoon's golf tournament that Tiger Woods won.
2006-08-27 20:52:22
5.   D4P
I tend to dislike the whole notion of "celebrity" and all the self-importance and indulgence it seems to foster. I think people who "act" are overrated and overvalued in our society. As with much of the music one hears on the radio, the people with the real talent are the writers, who get relatively little of the credit or the financial rewards.
2006-08-27 20:54:17
6.   Jon Weisman
4 - Hey, I watched that "live on tape" too, and it totally worked.

5 - Award shows are about the one chance you have all year of seeing the writers' faces.

2006-08-27 20:57:09
7.   MMSMikey
jeremy piven, baby!
2006-08-27 21:01:38
8.   Bob Timmermann
But were Ellen Burstyn's 14 seconds really good?
2006-08-27 21:03:20
9.   Andrew Shimmin
Public service announcement: Office Space is starting on IFC right now.
2006-08-27 21:04:23
10.   D4P
9
Wife and I watched that on Friday night for the umpteenth time. I still haven't gotten around to renting the "With Flair" DVD version...
2006-08-27 21:05:25
11.   Andrew Shimmin
I watched about ten minutes of the Emmys. When Cheryl Hines got gyped, I switched the channel. Somebody should have thought to hire a lawyer to contest Will and Grace's inclusion in the comedy category.
2006-08-27 21:06:30
12.   KG16
So, anyone else hear about some group pushing to have the new stadium for the Mets be named for Jackie Robinson?

Should a team be able to name a stadium for a guy who had nothing to do with their organization?

2006-08-27 21:11:55
13.   Bob Timmermann
12

George Vescey had a long piece about the Mets new stadium today and why it should be called Jackie Robinson Stadium.

I like George Vescey a lot, but I don't agree with him here.

2006-08-27 21:12:37
14.   Bob Timmermann
Barry Manilow?

Barry Manilow?

I even knew he was going to win and I'm still surprised.

2006-08-27 21:13:18
15.   Jon Weisman
Manilow 1, Colbert 0????

I gave him too much publicity on this site, obviously.

12 - Yeah, Bob was talking about that earlier.

2006-08-27 21:13:45
16.   Eric L
12 They did the 50th anniv. thing for Jackie Robinson at Shea Stadium. I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Is the location of an event more important than the franchise that was responsible for the event?

Sports are a special litmus test for that sort of question.

2006-08-27 21:14:57
17.   Jon Weisman
I feel bad for Bob Newhart, but I'm still glad to see him.
2006-08-27 21:17:00
18.   Bob Timmermann
Jackie Robinson was born in Georgia, grew up in Pasadena, went to college at UCLA, and after the military and a brief time in the Negro Leagues, he was living in Montreal or the New York Metro Area.

I don't think Jackie came back to the L.A. area much. He hated Pasadena according to the Rampersad bio.

2006-08-27 21:17:35
19.   KG16
16 - I dunno, it just seems strange to me. It'd be like the Dodgers naming a new stadium for Babe Ruth or Joe DiMaggio or worse, Willie Mays.

Jackie Robinson is probably my all time favorite player and it's definitely an honor he deserves, but like I said, it seems strange to me.

Of course, I also didn't like the idea of all of baseball retiring 42 either.

2006-08-27 21:28:16
20.   Icaros
But the Mets wear Dodger Blue and Giant Orange! Robinson played in one color and was traded to the other.

It fits, I tell you! It fits!

2006-08-27 21:33:31
21.   Bob Timmermann
To me it makes it seem like the Mets (whom I ultimately don't think will call the stadium Jackie Robinson Stadium) would be very presumptuous. It would be like saying "Our stadium is so important, it transcends New York."

Ultimately, the Mets new stadium will just be nothing more than the place where the Mets play.

2006-08-27 21:34:37
22.   Jon Weisman
Maybe they should name it Robert Moses Stadium?
2006-08-27 21:40:36
23.   Jon Weisman
Yea, Andre!
2006-08-27 21:44:47
24.   Bob Timmermann
There was a series called "Thief"?
2006-08-27 21:48:25
25.   Jon Weisman
Six episodes of Andre Braugher are better than none.
2006-08-27 21:56:35
26.   Disabled List
That makes up for Andre getting jobbed all those years on "Homicide", although he did win once.
2006-08-27 22:02:22
27.   bhsportsguy
Let me just say as someone who grew up during those days, Jacklyn Smith still looks good 30 years later. Can't say the same for her co-stars.
2006-08-27 22:03:10
28.   Jon Weisman
26 - It doesn't, but I guess it's something.
2006-08-27 22:03:44
29.   Gagne55
The only Andre I care about is Ethier. ;-)
2006-08-27 22:11:02
30.   Jon Weisman
Colbert and Stewart have transcended the usual bad presenter intro - thank goodness.
2006-08-27 22:12:26
31.   Xeifrank
wow! Dodger Thoughts pulled down two baseball toaster emmies tonight. Jon Weisman for best blog and Bob Timmerman for best blogger in a supporting role. Next year I bet Bob wins his own baseball toaster emmy. :)
vr, Xei
2006-08-27 22:12:26
32.   Bob Timmermann
Did everybody on stage get an Emmy?
2006-08-27 22:13:47
33.   Greg Brock
I'm not even going to take this opportunity to lament the fact that Hugh Laurie wasn't nominated.

I'm just not going to do it.

2006-08-27 22:13:56
34.   Bob Timmermann
They're not Toaster Emmies. They're called Toasties!
2006-08-27 22:15:42
35.   Greg Brock
Can I introduce the "In Remembrance" segment of the Toasties?
2006-08-27 22:16:59
36.   Xeifrank
I guess I could've made my joke in 31 funnier if I knew what the heck an Emmy is. Is it for movies, tv or music awards? I get all the awards mixed up. I guess it would be like a newbie to baseball calling the Cy Young award the Rookie of the Year award. You got your Grammies, Golden Globes, Emmies, Academy and Playmate. I guess they are all talented. vr, Xei
2006-08-27 22:18:20
37.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Kelly MacDonald!?
As in, Renton's underage girlfriend in "Trainspotting?"
2006-08-27 22:20:06
38.   Jon Weisman
(My Emmy acceptance speech)

I'd like to thank you for not using profanity or any euphemisms for profanity ..

2006-08-27 22:25:07
39.   Linkmeister
I admit I was amused by O'Brien's opening skit.
2006-08-27 22:26:39
40.   Steve
How to Spend Awards Night:

1) TiVo several episodes of "The Office"

2) Wait for Awards show to start

3) Watch several episodes of "The Office"

2006-08-27 22:27:35
41.   Greg Brock
39 I'm a little surprised they left the plane crash part in.
2006-08-27 22:29:25
42.   Bob Timmermann
I've already seen the last "Deadwood" and the last "4400".

I'm moving on to "Mission: Impossible" reruns. The bad guys are almost going to walk in on Greg Morris while he's doing whatever he's supposed to be doing.

I hope he gets away.

2006-08-27 22:38:26
43.   Linkmeister
41 Actually, that one threw me. I was expecting a takeoff on "Snakes on a Plane," not "Lost."
2006-08-27 22:41:40
44.   D4P
40
Or, you could settle down on the couch with a good book. I'm currently going through the following scintillating volumes:

1. Multilevel and Longitudinal Modeling Using Stata
2. Applied Multivariate Statistics for the Social Sciences
3. Regression Models for Categorical Dependent Variables Using Stata
4. Applied Statistics and the SAS Programming Language (4th edition, in case you want to coordinate with my reading)
5. Multilevel Analysis: An Introduction to Basic and Advanced Multilevel Modeling
6. Introducing Multilevel Modeling
7. Multilevel Analysis: Techniques and Applications
8. Multilevel Statistical Models

2006-08-27 22:43:09
45.   Greg Brock
The fact that Julia Louis-Dreyfus has a producer named Lizer is so cosmically awesome.
2006-08-27 22:46:07
46.   Jon Weisman
44 - And you have the nerve to dismiss the worthy achivements of celebrities.
2006-08-27 22:46:14
47.   Xeifrank
44. To what type of work are you going to apply this knowledge to? vr, Xei
2006-08-27 22:46:30
48.   Bob Timmermann
According to Elias, three players this season have had game-ending and game-winning hits in two consecutive games:
David Ortiz
Nomar Garciaparra
Gary Bennett
2006-08-27 22:48:55
49.   Jon Weisman
45 - Do you mean because of Arrested Development? I don't think it's a coincidence.
2006-08-27 22:49:31
50.   Greg Brock
44 Hey man, I have to put a lesson plan together on the Enlightenment, but I'm not shirking my responsibilities as a TV watcher.

Tonight is not about you, It's about the beautiful people (to whom you must never, ever talk). Get your priorities in order.

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2006-08-27 22:49:51
51.   D4P
45
Does the producer pretend to be blind?
46
Fascist's prerogative
47
Dissertation
2006-08-27 22:50:17
52.   Greg Brock
49 I'm sure it isn't. But it was a chance to talk about AD!
2006-08-27 22:50:41
53.   D4P
50
Tonight is not about you, It's about the beautiful people

I hate them because they're beautiful

2006-08-27 22:52:38
54.   Bob Timmermann
For an early "Mission: Impossible" this story is unusually weak. I think I should have been tipped off when Jim Phelps picked a team of IMF-trained auditors to help out in his plan.

And they came in. And ran an audit. But Martin Landau had to pass himself as an auditor too.

2006-08-27 22:56:02
55.   Jon Weisman
53 - For me, this night is about me not counting my blessings.
2006-08-27 22:56:23
56.   Greg Brock
I think the episode of 24 that clinched the Emmy was the one where they were running out of time.
2006-08-27 22:56:53
57.   Jon Weisman
Watching a tri-split screen clip from 24 on an Emmy telecast split screen is really disorienting.
2006-08-27 23:06:42
58.   dianagramr
As much as I love "24", I love "The Shield" 10x more, and was AMAZED it got NO nominations of any kind this year.

BTW, kudos to Jean Smart and Gregory Itzin for their nominations in best supp. actress and actor for "24".

On another note, I second the notion that 6 episodes of Andre Braugher is better than none.

2006-08-27 23:07:49
59.   Greg Brock
I just wanna take this opportunity to thank the thread creator, Jon Weisman, the wonderful work done by Bob Timmermann, my writers, Julius and Philip Epstein, my lawyer, Melvin Beli, and my parents, Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward.

Sacheen Littlefeather will be accepting this non-award on my behalf. Thank you.

2006-08-27 23:38:32
60.   das411
37 - !!!! If only I had known about this like 5 hours ago when that was on here...

27 - Just be glad you didn't catch Farrah Fawcett at that Shatner roast! Even Uhura looked younger than she did.

And is that the same Ellen Burstyn that was in The Exorcist way back when?

2006-08-28 00:03:18
61.   Eric Enders
I belong in an Emmy discussion like Madonna belongs in a convent, but I will say that Kelly MacDonald was great in Two Family House, which I think all of three people saw.
2006-08-28 00:16:27
62.   Eric Enders
I see Tony Jackson took a couple more gratuitous potshots at his personal nemesis this morning.
2006-08-28 00:17:14
63.   caseybarker
Farrah was hilarious during the Shatner roast.
2006-08-28 01:15:36
64.   dzzrtRatt
From the Times' review of the sorry fates all Colletti's tradees have faced, this one surprised me:

Top prospect Joel Guzman, traded to Tampa Bay for infielder Julio Lugo, is batting .210 with three home runs, 20 strikeouts and three walks in 62 at-bats for triple-A Durham.

Navarro is doing so-so, nothing great. Typical weak-hitting catcher. Perez is horrible, as expected. Ledee and Cruz aren't working. The rest of them are injured.

Colletti needs to watch out for overconfidence. There's going to be a Joe Nathan or Francisco Liriano popping up somewhere for him, someday.

2006-08-28 01:51:04
65.   Eric Enders
Guzman may yet turn out to be his Liriano, although that's looking less and less likely.

So far Colletti seems to have really good judgment on which prospects to trade (Guzman, Navarro, Jackson, Tiffany, Aybar) and which to hold onto (Kemp, Martin, Billingsley, LaRoche, Elbert). Presumably part of the credit for this should go to Terry Collins or somebody.

2006-08-28 03:04:55
66.   Eric Enders
If a tree falls in a thread at 3 a.m., do Dodger Thoughts posters hear it?
2006-08-28 04:07:31
67.   DXMachina
On the internet no one can hear you scream...

..unless you hit [Caps Lock].

2006-08-28 06:28:02
68.   Vishal
[64]

yeah, but it's 62 at-bats right after a big change of scenery for a young player. heck, endy chavez is OPSing .946 in his last 65 at-bats. baseball is a streaky game. guzman isn't doing well, sure, but i don't think the final chapter of that trade is written yet.

2006-08-28 08:44:24
69.   overkill94
Coincidentally, I dreamt that Guzman was playing 3B for the Dodgers last night. His skin was a lot lighter and he started a fight with the left fielder after they almost collided on a pop up.

I had a very long weekend...

2006-08-28 08:47:00
70.   King of the Hobos
64 Some of the lesser prospects that were included have actually done quite well in a limited amount of time.

Pedroza: .311/.457/.554 in 74 ABs for Visalia
Ruggiano: .327/431/.615 in 104 ABs for Montgomery

2006-08-28 08:51:48
71.   dzzrtRatt
70 I had a feeling the "throw-ins" might end up doing better than the hyped names.

Which proves the old baseball adage, "nobody knows anything."

2006-08-28 08:54:59
72.   regfairfield
70 What level is Visalia? A, or High A.
2006-08-28 08:56:33
73.   regfairfield
71 It still is far too soon to say either way.
2006-08-28 08:59:52
74.   King of the Hobos
72 High A, but it's the California League, so his offensive numbers are likely somewhat inflated.
2006-08-28 09:11:05
75.   Blu2
Funny, none of the two or three supporters of Cruz on this board have mentioned him lately. Most of us here, I think, were in favor of cutting him loose long before Ned got around to it. Sad in a way, because judging from what he did last year, he really does (did?) have enough ability to be a starting outfielder. But there is definitely something holding him back now. I wonder if the tragedy his brother is involved in was what was responsible for sabotaging his play?
2006-08-28 09:20:05
76.   regfairfield
75 What do want me to say:

Your Jose Cruz update: he's chilling on the couch with a beer in his hand.

I'm really sad that Mondesi became a congressman, otherwise, I could have just said that he's chillin' with Raul.

2006-08-28 09:43:13
77.   Jon Weisman
76 - Congressmen don't drink?
2006-08-28 09:45:14
78.   regfairfield
77 No, but I no longer have the image of him just sitting on the beach doing nothing.

Chillin' with Raul has been a running joke for me ever since he abondoned the Pirates, and now he had to go and ruin it.

2006-08-28 09:46:00
79.   Blu2
I just wanted to say he had more ability than he showed this year, and I hope he solves whatever the problem is and comes back strong for someone next year. I wouldn't even object to Flanders inviting him to spring training. I would rather have him as our fifth outfielder than Repko, judging from Repko's showing the last two months. There was probably a good case to keep Cruz and send Repko away, but we had hopes he would be the April Repko, not the one from last year. Baseball is always like this, isn't it?
2006-08-28 09:53:06
80.   gibsonhobbs88
27 - Yes, Jaclyn Smith is still looking hot. She was my favorite "Angel" as I was always partial to Brunettes growing up.
God bless Dick Clark. It was kind of sad to see him in that state though. I heard he sobbed uncontrollably after Barry's musical tribute number.

Did anybody catch the "suit" Steve Phillips on Baseball Tonight. So now he's on the Reds bandwagon for the Central and the Padres in the West with the Dodgers as the WC. Wait till next week, he'll be touting the Giants as West winner and Marlins as the WC.

As for this week, coming off a 4-5 trip with 2 out of 3 in SF and AZ sandwiching a miserable 3 game sweep at the hands of the Friars. Penny hopefully gets back on the beam tonight, (No Rick Reed sightings, please)! I have tickets for Tuesday when the weak link Hendrickson goes, okay on the road, miserable at home. Hendy is one of the few pitchers in baseball that the Chavez Ravine mound seems to be a detriment.
Hoping we take 2 at least from the Reds and that we can beat up on the Rockies over the weekend. Only one exclamation point, Jon, (seems to happen when discussing an umpire).

2006-08-28 10:03:42
81.   Jon Weisman
New thread open up top.

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