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Dodgers Walk Nine, Win
2006-08-28 22:40
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

A blast of fire from Jonathan Broxton gets the called strike three to end it.

Elmer Dessens gets the hold with his three-run, four-out performance, but Brett Tomko goes holdless.

Comments (73)
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2006-08-28 22:45:08
1.   Mr Customer
I'll go for a bumbling win over losing with panache 7 days a week.
2006-08-28 22:47:57
2.   ddger
We are back to 3 game ahead of SD now. The Dodgers this year are really streaky. Maybe, we can go on another winning streak to start pulling away from rest of the division.
2006-08-28 22:49:15
3.   s choir
Brad Penny really didn't deserve that win.
2006-08-28 22:49:19
4.   natepurcell
I think the reds took the lemon in the top 10 of this years mlb draft. Taking another toosly outfielder over Lincecum is going to come back and bite them several times (especially when stubbs doesnt get out of AA because he cant put the ball in play and lincecum is up with the giants next year).

just thinking out loud since we are playing the reds.

2006-08-28 22:50:01
5.   Gagne55
A win is a win.

But... what's happened to Penny? He's been terrible lately. :-/

2006-08-28 22:52:06
6.   Gagne55
So... think the Blue can pull off a season series sweep?
2006-08-28 22:53:59
7.   Jeromy
Broxton was awesome tonight. Came in for a pressure-filled 5 out save. He is quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
2006-08-28 22:54:22
8.   Uncle Miltie
4- is Stubbs the great defensive outfielder with very good speed from Texas who will "learn" to hit later? I can't believe that he even went in the first round. An offensive player's bat is the most important aspect of their game.
2006-08-28 22:54:28
9.   D4P
Does talking about The Blue vs. The Red(s) violate Jon's Rule #5...?
2006-08-28 22:55:08
10.   natepurcell
anyone know if the dbacks signed Scherzer or if he has gone back to school?
2006-08-28 22:56:08
11.   natepurcell
8

yea, he went #8 overall

2006-08-28 22:58:00
12.   natepurcell
soo...anyone wanna play some starcraft? lol.....
2006-08-28 22:58:44
13.   Vaudeville Villain
8-

Maybe the Reds can include him in a deal for a left-handed reliever if he doesn't pan out.

2006-08-28 22:59:36
14.   Vaudeville Villain
12-

Wow, I'm having acid-trip like flashbacks of Zergling rushes...

2006-08-28 22:59:41
15.   Bob Timmermann
But whom do I consider a playoff contender in the NL now?

How low do I go? Should I include Arizona?

It's possible that the Phillies could be the wild card leaders after tomorrow.

2006-08-28 23:01:19
16.   King of the Hobos
10 It appears he's still negotiating as I can't find anything saying otherwise. The last time BA mentioned him (that I can tell), was early August and they said negotiations were proceeding slowly.
2006-08-28 23:01:45
17.   natepurcell
14

wait until I do a mass hydra drop in the middle of your base.

2006-08-28 23:02:01
18.   Uncle Miltie
13- I've heard Stubbs compared to Mike Cameron, Torii Hunter, and Vernon Wells. Jason Repko/Endy Chavez might be a more realistic comparison.
2006-08-28 23:02:51
19.   Greg Brock
I saw your rubric earlier, but I would just say that if you're within three of the wildcard, or three of your division, you are a playoff contender.
2006-08-28 23:04:35
20.   Bob Timmermann
I will not clog up the Griddle with more compulsive trades for middle relievers by the Reds, but ...
http://tinyurl.com/q24du
2006-08-28 23:05:25
21.   Uncle Miltie
Better yet
Stubbs=Chad Hermansen
2006-08-28 23:07:22
22.   Greg Brock
Come on Bob, it's one of The Griddle's best running gags!

That's what the Griddle means to me. Plus, we can swear in foreign languages over there.

2006-08-28 23:07:28
23.   Vaudeville Villain
18-

On the bright side, Steve Phillips included Endy Chavez on his list of key contributors off the Mets bench.

Back to Starcraft, here's the greatest thing ever written about the subject. Pretty funny stuff for a geek like me, but I've got to wearn you that it's got some "mature language".

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/wargames.html

2006-08-28 23:09:10
24.   Vaudeville Villain
23-

"wearn" is supposed to be "warn".

2006-08-28 23:16:31
25.   King of the Hobos
Jon mentioned Dial's defense work a few days ago, here:
https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/485197.html
Well, that was as of July 11th, Dial has posted them as of August 27th. Our starters, with runs saved, and runs saved per 150 games:

Martin 1 2
Nomar 3 5
Kent -5 -9
Furcal 0 0
Ethier 3 6
Lofton -2 -4
Drew (table's messed up for RF, but it should be fixed soon)

http://tinyurl.com/gkomp

2006-08-28 23:16:45
26.   Bob Timmermann
38 baserunners tonight.
11 score.
20 left on base.
3 caught stealing.
3 more eliminated on DPs.
1 thrown out on the bases.
2006-08-28 23:22:18
27.   DougS
22 Not to mention the most erudite discussion of Pluto I've seen on the Web.
2006-08-28 23:33:53
28.   confucius
One of these days I'm going to look up what exactly a Hold is.
2006-08-28 23:37:09
29.   Bob Timmermann
There are two definitions of a hold.

Under one definition, Tomko would have gotten a hold because he entered the game in a save situation and when he left, Broxton was still in a save situation

Your hold definition may vary.

2006-08-28 23:37:22
30.   Greg Brock
27 You know what they say, The Griddle is a place where a man can slow down to a walk and live his life full measure.
2006-08-28 23:48:24
31.   overkill94
29 According to Yahoo's stat service, you have to get an out to record a hold. They always screw it up in the initial box score and then have it fixed the next day.
2006-08-28 23:49:50
32.   overkill94
and I became an expert on holds because it was a mainstay as one of the six pitching categories in my fantasy leagues up until this year. Never has Paul Quantrill been more valuable.
2006-08-29 05:36:50
33.   oswald
dodgers record versus st. louis and san diego: 3-18

dodgers record versus everybody else: 66-44

all we need is for a team from the east to get the wild card, and we're world series bound!

2006-08-29 07:15:53
34.   Benaiah
I think that we desperately need to get ahead of St Louis, so that we can ensure that we don't have to play the Mets in the first round. I would love it if the Cards had to play the Mets, while we played the Phillies.
2006-08-29 07:21:01
35.   capdodger
OT: Hey Sam,
If your back in DC, did you here the WW Bridge go boom last night? It almost reminded me of a small earthquake.
2006-08-29 07:22:12
36.   Eric Enders
I fell asleep in the sixth inning with a nice little lead. Boy, would I have been ticked this morning if they'd lost.
2006-08-29 07:45:35
37.   bhsportsguy
Some thoughts from the reserved level at tonight's game.

First off, not a bad crowd for a Monday night, I have to think there was a nice walkup as I saw some people in line to buy tickets as I was walking in.

Don't have to tell you that Penny was wild, although it appeared that he had good velocity but no control, lots of deep counts. He did eventually start throwing strikes but he still made a lot of pitches.

Jeff Kent did something tonight that I have not seen in the 2 years that he has been here, he tried to go to right field when Nomar was on second with no one out. That he happened to poke a ground rule double was secondary, he was looking that way that entire at bat.

Andre Ethier may be the luckiest .335+ hitter I have seen, his first hit would have been hit a few seconds before had Kent not been picked off as it was it was a do or die dive by the first baseman and he just knocked the ball down. Ethier's second hit was a jam shot into left field, his third hit was hit pretty solid. But he does get those hits, he scored twice and drove in a run and it looks like he will hit over .300 for his fourth month in a row.

Repko had some good hacks, the line drive to third was hit hard and his next two at bats, he had two base hits. His clutch 2 out hit was the weakest one but we needed those runs.

2006-08-29 07:50:27
38.   Blu2
Groan! Times says Flanders is looking for a "veteran hitter and a relief pitcher"' Say it ain't so! If he finds them in the next two days, that means two players on the 25 man roster have to go. I can live with that if they're the right two players, say Martinez and Hamulack, but why, oh why, doesn't he just bring up the help from Las Vegas. Kemp or Loney are going to be better than another "veteran hitter" that the Devil rays want to dump. I don't know the minor league pitching that well but I'd gamble on Kuo over any stiff that someone else is trying to dump. Baseball has a lot of traditions that don't really make sense and the "seasoned veterans are better than rookies" is one of the more stupid ones.
2006-08-29 08:00:38
39.   Eric Enders
38 I think you're reading way too much into that. First of all, clearly another hitter would be in addition to bringing up help from Las Vegas, not instead of bringing up help from Las Vegas. Loney and Kemp and probably LaRoche will be here on Friday. I don't see anywhere it says that Colletti is looking for a veteran hitter so James Loney doesn't get to play in September.

Secondly, acquiring another reliever might not be so bad, given the presence of people like Hamulack and Carrara on the roster recently. Even if all you're doing is upgrading your mop-up guy, that can't really hurt. They're not talking about trading a prospect for a star reliever, clearly, since the guy would have to clear waivers. If they can get a decent mopup guy for nothing, I'm not going to complain about that. Kuo is allegedly going to join the rotation for a turn or two, so I don't see how he would fill the relief need. B.J. LaMura would, but that's neither here nor there.

Thirdly, GMs says stuff like that all the time whether they really mean it or not. This is because it keeps people like Steve Henson and Tony Jackson happy, and prevents the GM from getting strung up from the highest tree the way DePo was.

2006-08-29 08:21:32
40.   Blu2
The story was by Henson. He said the Dodgers have stepped up efforts to bring in players by Sept.1. I interpret that to mean "in August" so they would be playoff eligible. I would still object if the trade was made in September. It is another loss of prospects (even low level ones) that isn't necessary, if our minor leaguers are as capable as we hope. Another trade for the sake of trading.
2006-08-29 08:31:19
41.   DXMachina
Jim Molony at MLB.com mentions the same kind of thing, including the Greg Norton rumor:

"The Dodgers are looking to add another arm to their bullpen. They're also looking to add a hitter who can fill in at various spots and give the club another solid pinch-hitting option. Tampa Bay's versatile Greg Norton, who has filled in at four positions while hitting .306 for the Devil Rays, is among the players the Dodgers are considering."

http://tinyurl.com/e9gw4

Now does this originate from the front office, or is he just riffing off of what Ken Rosenthal said the other day? Is there even a nugget of truth to this?

2006-08-29 08:38:26
42.   Benaiah
The new Dylan album is getting raves... not surprising as he is the greatest lyricist of all time. Still, I am pretty pumped for it.
2006-08-29 08:44:39
43.   D4P
42
A Duke Ph.D. student friend of mine went to the Bob Dylan show in Greensboro? a week or so ago and loved it.
2006-08-29 08:47:16
44.   D4P
41
The mere notion of making another trade with TB is bizarre. Norton looks like a classic Colletti acquisition (i.e. guy having career year whose value has probably never been higher)
2006-08-29 08:51:26
45.   Ben P
I'm fine with getting another bullpen arm, if only to give Broxton and "the 36-year-old Saito" -- as we are contractually obligated to write -- more rest. But I don't understand what a "veteran pinch-hitter" could do that Saenz couldn't.
2006-08-29 08:58:32
46.   Gen3Blue
I just saw Bob Dylan at Wachonah Park in Pittsfield Saturday night. (This famous old ball park is the subject of "Foul Ball', Jim Boutons recent book) The show was good, Bob's new band is great, but of course Bob's voice is incredibaly shot and as usual he showed no interest in his phrasing or melody. But a good time was had by all, and he replaced his standard encore with "Everybody Must Get Stoned".
2006-08-29 09:02:39
47.   Eric Enders
Dylan is playing here in Cooperstown on Saturday night. Rather shockingly, I can't find anyone who's interested in going.
2006-08-29 09:10:29
48.   Gen3Blue
47 I can sort of understand--the tickets were fifty bucks to find a place to stand.
But as a social event/phenomenon it is always unique, And I assume this excellent bluegrass/swing band with a very accomplished and cute front woman is opening, so I hope you go.
2006-08-29 09:10:53
49.   Benaiah
Dylan is coming to Chicago in October for a two day set and I am just wondering whether I should go both days or only one.
2006-08-29 09:11:32
50.   Benaiah
49 - He is playing with Kings of Leon so I guess he is trying to really get that Southern Western feel.
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2006-08-29 09:14:18
51.   Eric Enders
48 I'm waffling. I love Dylan but I've seen him six times including once before at Doubleday Field, and also once earlier this year in El Paso. So the main reason I would be going would be to hear the tunes from the new album.
2006-08-29 09:26:26
52.   Benaiah
Apparently Dylan has a song about Alicia Keys on the new album.
2006-08-29 09:31:40
53.   Gen3Blue
I bet you'll only get about two of the new tunes.
2006-08-29 09:36:03
54.   Benaiah
What do you mean by "get"? Understand? Purchase? I doubt I will get any of them, if you mean to fully understand. I barely understand a lot of my favorite Dylan songs. I love "Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again" and "Bob Dylan's 115th Dream", but I cant really understand what it all means. No biggie, you can appreciate without grasping all of the nuances, subtle and hidden meanings and references.
2006-08-29 09:47:00
55.   Gen3Blue
Sorry, 53 was pitched at Eric, who mostly would go for tunes from the new record.
Dylan only did a couple of songs I didn't recognize.
2006-08-29 09:52:49
56.   Gen3Blue
Nice to see young Apodaca seems to be hitting better at High A than he did at low A. There's a piece on him at LAdugout.com but it is by subs. which I don't have. Can't produce too many catchers.
2006-08-29 09:53:33
57.   Benaiah
Ah, makes more sense. sorry if I seemed overly defensive. I am just fairly (relatively) young and so I dislike it when people tell me I don't get older music.
2006-08-29 10:18:38
58.   Gen3Blue
It gets really confusing sometimes in here.I better tag that for 57. I guess I'm fairly old around here!
2006-08-29 10:25:16
59.   caseybarker
...ramblings of an irrelevant man.
2006-08-29 10:32:54
60.   caseybarker
Seriously, how do you know that Bob Dylan is a brilliant lyricist if you can't understand his songs?
2006-08-29 10:55:39
61.   Benaiah
I don't think "don't understand" is the same thing as to not fully grasp the metaphoric meaning. Listen to Bob Dylan's 115th Dream and I garantee that 1) you won't fully understand it and 2) you will be amazed by how lyrically gifted he is.
2006-08-29 10:58:21
62.   caseybarker
I've heard it.
2006-08-29 11:01:55
63.   Benaiah
62 - And? Are you unimpressed, or perhaps you understand it's inner meaning in a way that I do not?
2006-08-29 11:03:15
64.   Longhorn Bill
As a student at the University of Texas I can vouch for Stubbs being a tremendous ball player. Coach Augie Garrido (formerly of Cal State Fullerton) called Stubbs "the best athlete I've ever coached." I understand the skepticism as he needs to cut back on his strikeouts, but he does have power to all fields and great speed.
2006-08-29 11:11:37
65.   caseybarker
I like the song. I just think that looking for hidden meaning in music or song is a fallacy because two different people may find two different meanings.

Also, I think there are many comparable musical acts from the 1960's, and there are some better.

Finally, I resent the fact that some musicians or actors are held as symbols of entire generations. That is pretty weak in my opinion.

2006-08-29 11:14:35
66.   Benaiah
65 - It is fairly post-modern to argue that we should look for hidden meanings since people have different interpretations. The song has a deeper meaning if it speaks to you, whether that is through an immediate feeling or through contemplation is up to you.

One could make an argument that their are comparable acts, it is all just opinion. However, in my opinion no one comes close in lyrical complexity.

The last criticism isn't unique, Dylan himself has said as much.

2006-08-29 11:21:41
67.   caseybarker
OK. How about Steely Dan for lyrical complexity. And they rock, too.
2006-08-29 11:24:05
68.   Benaiah
I love Steely Dan. Great group. However, their music doesn't have the range that Dylan's did and they weren't nearly as prolific. They were probably better musicians (then nearly anyone) but better lyricists? I don't think so.
2006-08-29 11:29:24
69.   caseybarker
OK. How about Robert Frost or TS Elliot. Last night, Broxton's slider in the eighth to Hatteberg really spoke to me, too. It said "Oh, yeah!"
2006-08-29 11:36:03
70.   Benaiah
Once you elevate the discusion to Frost and Elliot then you have implicitly demonstrated why Dylan stands out so much as a rock lyricist (well not exactly rock, but more rock than Frost or Whitman anyway).
2006-08-29 11:43:02
71.   caseybarker
70 OK. You have a good point. But what about Broxton's slider. Not to mention his fastball called third strike to end the ninth.
2006-08-29 11:45:08
72.   Benaiah
Broxton is poetry that would require something like an epic Homeric poem to describe. It is amazing that Gagne goes down and we just happened to have V2.0 waiting in the wings.
2006-08-29 11:49:44
73.   caseybarker
That's what I'm talking about.

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