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Save October 2?
2006-09-12 13:50
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The Dodgers triumphed in the Great American Coin Flip Sweepstakes and will host any tiebreaker game that comes up after the end of the scheduled regular season. (Thanks to The Griddle for the pointer.)

The Dodgers' losing record against San Diego did not come into play with regards to a tiebreaker game. However, if the two teams finish tied and both teams are guaranteed playoff spots, San Diego would be the division champion, without a playoff.

And with that, you may now revisit the inglorious end to the 1996 season.

Comments (72)
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2006-09-12 13:54:47
1.   Marty
go to www.baseballrace.com and you can watch 1996 unfold before your eyes.
2006-09-12 14:20:46
2.   Shotupthemiddle
For me, the most memorable game that year (and for the worst possible reason) wasn't in September.

It was June 30. Rockies 16, Dodgers 15.

Still makes me sigh painfully and think of self-immolation.

2006-09-12 14:25:29
3.   caseybarker
Funny how the Dodgers outscored the Padres 49-43 in their 1996 series.
2006-09-12 14:39:56
4.   bhsportsguy
It looks like they should get tonight's game in. Partly cloudy, grass wet, might slow down the ground balls which should help D. Lowe.
2006-09-12 14:40:38
5.   bhsportsguy
No question, the most memorable game that year was the no-hitter pitched by Nomo at Colorado.
2006-09-12 14:47:56
6.   thinkblue0
in '96 I was 16 and in highschool with season tickets. What a horrible series at the end of the year...I'll never forget it.
2006-09-12 14:48:40
7.   Xeifrank
4. Wet field? No problem. Derek Lowe likes the slop. He's a mudder. His mother was a mudder. His father was a mudder. Nomar will be running on lasix. Furcal will draw the post.
vr, Xei
2006-09-12 14:50:19
8.   Bluebleeder87
Nomo's no-no was totally out of the twilight zone i mean it was Colorado for crying out loud! & in those days the humidor was a non-factor.
2006-09-12 14:52:55
9.   GoBears
7 Waitasec - a TV reference from Xeifrank? It's Bizarro World!
2006-09-12 14:56:15
10.   Bluebleeder87
Mondesi owned Colorado, Bailer called him the most exciting player he'd ever saw.
2006-09-12 14:57:08
11.   GoBears
8. It was in the rain, which probably helped a bit. Cold wet night. Pitched nearly the whole game out of the stretch because he was having a hard time balancing during that goofy wind-up.

But yeah, it was great to see.

2006-09-12 15:05:27
12.   Bob Timmermann
Milwaukee at Pittsburgh! Rained out!

The Pirates can stay alive for the NL Central if the Astros beat the Cardinals.

2006-09-12 15:07:16
13.   Bluebleeder87
11

ah yeah, you just made me remember a little more.

2006-09-12 15:11:31
14.   Bluebleeder87
12

for some reason i wanna see the Astros in the thik of things, i guess because i have family out there.

2006-09-12 15:11:34
15.   caseybarker
My most memorable no-hitter came against the Dodgers. It was a perfect game by Denny Martinez. I also remember watching part of Kevin Gross's no-hitter.
2006-09-12 15:20:43
16.   Bob Timmermann
Rainout in Atlanta.

Officially Elias Sports Bureau sanctioned doubleheader for tomorrow.

2006-09-12 15:23:51
17.   Gagne55
4 Wouldn't slower grounballs mean more bleeding infield singles and fewer double plays? Although it also means fewer seeing eye grounders getting through, so it's a tradeoff.
2006-09-12 15:29:41
18.   Disabled List
2 I remember that series well.

Thu, Jun 27 LAD @ COL L 1-13
Fri, Jun 28 LAD @ COL L 4-13
Sat, Jun 29 LAD @ COL W 13-10
Sun, Jun 30 LAD @ COL L 15-16

Man, those were the good old days. A little part of me misses Arena Baseball.

2006-09-12 15:30:23
19.   Bob Timmermann
Izturis isn't supposed to play today for the Cubs.

What am I supposed to make of that?

2006-09-12 15:32:11
20.   King of the Hobos
If this happens, it probably won't end well:
http://s171230060.onlinehome.us/NewsDescription-Movies-11654.htm
2006-09-12 15:36:18
21.   Bluebleeder87
19

i hope he does play, poor Cubbies they just can't get it right. it's been 100+ years already!!!

2006-09-12 15:36:25
22.   JoeyP
I'll be very surprised if they get this game in today. Its been raining all day on the northside and Wrigley is terrible at draining their field.

Tomorrow's only a 40percent chance of rain and Thursday's gonna be sunny. I think this game will be rained out, tomorrow they'll get one in, and thursday will be a DH.

2006-09-12 15:43:43
23.   underdog
I'd think they'd have the DH tomorrow instead of Thursday since the Dodgers have to head back West/home after the game. Probably an early game tomorrow before the evening one, is what I'd guess.
2006-09-12 15:43:47
24.   Bluebleeder87
22

will see.

2006-09-12 15:44:46
25.   Bluebleeder87
i dislike cold weather states.
2006-09-12 15:46:03
26.   Xeifrank
9. One of the very few "very good" TV shows imho. No TV shows today come even close. We are definitely in the "dead ball" era of network tv and hollywood movies.
19. He's not a mudder?
vr, Xei
2006-09-12 15:47:00
27.   Shotupthemiddle
If tonight is a rain out, we have to hope for a huge early lead tomorrow so we can take Lowe out after five, and keep him (somewhat) fresh for the Padre series.
2006-09-12 15:48:31
28.   Xeifrank
25. I just dislike really cold and really hot and humid places. I think most states have places that fit one of the two categories. And I could live without places that have lots of mosquitoes too. vr, Xei
2006-09-12 15:48:42
29.   Jon Weisman
26 - But how do you know if you don't watch?
2006-09-12 15:50:50
30.   Xeifrank
29. I watch enough to see if I like. I'm not a tv nun!! :) vr, Xei
2006-09-12 15:51:55
31.   Bob Timmermann
30
Hey, no besmirching "The Flying Nun"! Alejandro Rey was great in that!
2006-09-12 15:52:29
32.   Bluebleeder87
28

ditto the thought.

2006-09-12 15:56:44
33.   Bluebleeder87
so are the chances really bad today for a game? i don't like the idea of the Dodgers going home tired & having to play the Padres.
2006-09-12 15:58:00
34.   JoeyP
547 PM CDT TUE SEP 12 2006
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ROMEOVILLE HAS ISSUED AN

* URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOOD ADVISORY FOR... COOK COUNTY IN NORTHEAST ILLINOIS...

* UNTIL 715 PM CDT

* AT 547 PM...THUNDERSTORMS HAVE BEEN MOVING OVER SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL COOK COUNTY DURING THE LAST TWO HOURS. SOME OF THE RAINFALL IN THE THUNDERSTORMS MAY REACH UP TO 2 INCHES PER HOUR. STREETS... CONSTRUCTION AREAS...AND LOW LYING ROADS AND EXPRESSWAYS MAY COLLECT THIS RAIN WATER CAUSING SOME MINOR FLOODING. SOME LOW LYING EXPRESSWAYS MAY HAVE WATER ON THEM MAKING DRIVING HAZARDOUS.

EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM THIS STORM WILL CAUSE FLOODING OF SMALL CREEKS AND STREAMS...URBAN AREAS...HIGHWAYS... STREETS AND UNDERPASSES AS WELL AS OTHER DRAINAGE AREAS AND LOW LYING SPOTS

I dont think they are getting this one in.

2006-09-12 15:58:48
35.   Bob Timmermann
It's just an "advisory". Real men can play in a flood!
2006-09-12 15:59:10
36.   underdog
I actually think some of the best writing for TV ever done is happening right now, or recently - mostly on HBO and other cable stations, occasionally on network, too (although in those cases the network usually panics and pulls the plug - I'm talking to you Fox! Can anyone argue that the tripe-ful sitcoms they're dropping on TV sets this Fall are even fit to hold Arrested Development's jockstraps? But I digress...) Anyway, true, some of the absolute worst TV shows ever are on right now, too, but some of the best writing is being done on quite a few shows. Wouldn't dismiss it outright (not that anyone was).
2006-09-12 16:00:15
37.   underdog
Why do they always yell those weather bulletins?
2006-09-12 16:05:25
38.   Daniel Zappala
I remember Chad Fonville!
2006-09-12 16:10:34
39.   Bluebleeder87
i remember him as well, he did very well against the Cubs if i remember correctly.
2006-09-12 16:12:39
40.   bhsportsguy
They are playing in Cincy. In between the thunderstorms.
2006-09-12 16:15:33
41.   tjshere
38 I only remember him if he's referred to as "Little Chad".
2006-09-12 16:15:52
42.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
From Gurnick's most recent mailbag:

What is Greg Miller's future with the team?
-- Steve S., Aberdeen, S.D.

The left-handed Miller was once considered one of the finest pitching prospects in the Minor Leagues, but shoulder problems have derailed his career. An overhand starting pitcher before the injury, he was moved to the bullpen as a sidearmer when he returned from injury and pitched in relief exclusively this year, but he walked 33 in 37 innings. He made it through the season relatively healthy for the first time and probably will need another Triple-A season to demonstrate improvement in his command.

Anyhow have any more info on Miller's long-term prospects? I vaguely remember a few articles earlier in the year, which seemed to indicate that his switch to relief was long-term. With Kuo's return to starting, I'm of course wondering if the same could happen to Miller.

WWSH

2006-09-12 16:19:29
43.   Bluebleeder87
40

will they play in Chicago?

2006-09-12 16:22:08
44.   Bluebleeder87
42

he's a side armer now, not good at all IMO.

2006-09-12 16:23:13
45.   bhsportsguy
42 As far as I know, there are no plans for him to pitch any post season ball, though that could change in the AFL. We'll see if anything comes out of the instructional league regarding Miller.
2006-09-12 16:27:51
46.   GoBears
Do they still play the Blues in Chicago
When baseball season rolls 'round?
When the snow melts away
Do the Cubbies still play
In their ivy-covered funeral ground?

When I was a boy,
they were my pride and joy
But now they only bring fatigue
To the land of the free
the home of the brave
And the doormat of the National League.

Sorry. 43 just evoked that memory.

2006-09-12 16:31:37
47.   bhsportsguy
42 He missed the entire 2004 and half of the 2005 season, he only had one stint on the DL for about a couple of weeks this year so if he appears sound, maybe they would see if his control improves with longer outings like Kuo. He turns 22 in November and he has 2 more options for the Dodgers.
2006-09-12 16:34:23
48.   Todd
I don't know if I heard about Nomo's no-no until '97. I was in Croatia teaching English and in those fledgling days of the Inter Webs I remember going to espnet.sportszone.com (remember that?) the next year to see how much he was beatin' up on folks. But I don't know when I heard about the no-no....maybe that year from talking to my brother come to think of it. Still, I remember being very excited, and incredulous considering it was in 0 gravity...well, Colorado. And then I saw it a couple years ago on ESPN Classic. Great stuff.
2006-09-12 16:35:47
49.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 44 45

From an article back in early July:

http://tinyurl.com/evamq

"He's going to be a relief guy for a while," 51s manager Jerry Royster said. "It's going to take some time before he's even able to build up enough strength to be a starter. We're just now getting him to where he can pitch back-to-back days and multiple innings.

"He can throw the ball as hard (as before). So his velocity is there, but his ability to pitch isn't."

Miller, a 21-year-old left-hander, is showing signs of his old form. His fastball routinely reaches 96 mph as he relearns the finer parts of pitching.

WWSH

2006-09-12 16:36:32
50.   GoBears
48. Oh, be credulous. Be very very credulous.
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2006-09-12 16:37:27
51.   Todd
Be credulous?
2006-09-12 16:40:00
52.   DXMachina
46 You weren't the only one.
2006-09-12 16:40:12
53.   bhsportsguy
Piazza who is not there for his defense as evidenced by his not even attempting to throw when Scott "I have only 1 stolen base" Hatteberg stole his second base of the year, homered to lead off the second against Eric "Neck sore from looking back at home runs" Milton to give the Padres a 1-0 lead.
2006-09-12 16:40:16
54.   Bluebleeder87
50 & 51

show ofs!

2006-09-12 16:45:31
55.   Todd
50 I can assure you that is a true anecdote, I just thought I'd share it because the memory is so unique for me...I'm not sure why you doubt it.
2006-09-12 16:45:45
56.   GoBears
51. You said you were incredulous. But it really happened, as you later confirmed via ESPN Classic. I was just playin' along.
2006-09-12 16:46:29
57.   Daniel Zappala
6 RBIs in the first inning inning for Abreu against the Devil Rays.
2006-09-12 16:46:36
58.   thinkingblue
Apparently, Guzman's stock has taken a significant hit, and just because he glittered, he ain't gold. Yes Andrew, how does that kind of fall happen?
2006-09-12 16:48:09
59.   Todd
56 {{{retreating back into his seat until he disappears from view}}} My bad GoBears :) Sorry.....I guess I was born with blonde hair.
2006-09-12 16:48:27
60.   bhsportsguy
It must be a midwest thing, during the Reds broadcast, they had a contest with this question, "Why did actress Gale Sondergaard turn down the role of the Wicked Witch of the West?"

That beats the usual Dodger question of who is the Rookie of the Year.

2006-09-12 16:49:36
61.   scooplew
46 Thank you for sharting that, as painful as that may be for you..
2006-09-12 16:50:03
62.   Johnson
57 6 RBIs in an inning! The last guy I remember getting at least 6 RBIs in an inning was Fernando Tatis.
2006-09-12 16:50:07
63.   bhsportsguy
I will say this, as the Yankees bat around, if they get Sheff back, it may not matter who pitches for the Bombers.
2006-09-12 16:50:09
64.   GoBears
55. Oy. I don't doubt it. Never mind. Forget 50 ever happened.
2006-09-12 16:50:56
65.   Todd
60 Or text in your answer, who is Rookie of the Year; text to A-N-D-R-E. Is it Carlos Quentin, Tony Gwynn Jr, Dan Uggla, or (hint hint) Andre Ethier...(text to A-N-D-R-E).
2006-09-12 16:52:14
66.   Jon Weisman
Game? thread is open.
2006-09-12 16:54:26
67.   Daniel Zappala
I don't know, I think good pitching (the Twins) will still shut down the Yankees.
2006-09-12 16:57:10
68.   bhsportsguy
67 The Twins have a pretty bad post-season record against the Yankees.
2006-09-12 16:58:42
69.   Bluebleeder87
why would they show an Angel game on the Dodger prime/fox channel?
2006-09-12 17:07:45
70.   GoBears
63. Yeah, although by far my first choice to watch the Yankees eat it in the first round, if they're going to win it all anyway, I half hope they sweep all three series with 11 straight blowouts. That MIGHT wake more people up to the stupidity of their financial advantage. When they were rich and dumb, everyone else still had a fighting chance. Richer and smarter is not good for everyone else.

How many of A-Rod, Giambi, Jeter, Matsui, Abreu, and Sheffield would they have with even half their current payroll (which would still be near the top of MLB).

Watching them fail is that much sweeter, yes, but I wouldn't bet against them this year, since everyone's coming back healthy at just the right time.

I think the team with the best shot at beating NY is Minnesota, because they have the two best pitchers in the AL (at least until they get too expensive and become Yankees) as well as some decent offense.

A friend of mine who is a lifelong Yankee fan just called to ask me if I realized that it could be another all-NY World Series this year. I tried to feign surprise, but to no avail.

2006-09-12 17:57:01
71.   GoBears
63. Yeah, although by far my first choice to watch the Yankees eat it in the first round, if they're going to win it all anyway, I half hope they sweep all three series with 11 straight blowouts. That MIGHT wake more people up to the stupidity of their financial advantage. When they were rich and dumb, everyone else still had a fighting chance. Richer and smarter is not good for everyone else.

How many of A-Rod, Giambi, Jeter, Matsui, Abreu, and Sheffield would they have with even half their current payroll (which would still be near the top of MLB).

Watching them fail is that much sweeter, yes, but I wouldn't bet against them this year, since everyone's coming back healthy at just the right time.

I think the team with the best shot at beating NY is Minnesota, because they have the two best pitchers in the AL (at least until they get too expensive and become Yankees) as well as some decent offense.

A friend of mine who is a lifelong Yankee fan just called to ask me if I realized that it could be another all-NY World Series this year. I tried to feign surprise, but to no avail.

2006-09-12 20:12:12
72.   bill cox
Hope Colletti meditates on last inning.Lead run in scoring position in the eighth inning on the road and the vets can't deliver(Nomar,Drew)and the veteran outfielder(Drew ) misplays a fly ball into the lead run for a bad team in a critical game with a chance to gain ground on the next closest team.No long term deals for declining veterans.Play the kids.

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