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Padres-Cardinals, NLDS Game 3 Chat
2006-10-07 09:45
by Jon Weisman
Comments (129)
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2006-10-07 10:02:35
1.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, I get to watch one game from beginning to end!

I'll be going to the Rose Bowl so I will miss the end of the Yankees-Tigers game and likely all of the Dodgers-Mets game, but I'll be listening in on the radio.

2006-10-07 10:11:56
2.   jff123
Perhaps somebody here will be able to help me. The customer service at Ticketmaster were clueless on this issue.

I bought tickets for tomorrow's game and had them emailed to me. In order to print the entire ticket within the margins of my printer, Adobe Acrobat needs to shrink the page to 96 per cent. It looks fine to me when printed, but I'm worried that the barcode won't read at the stadium. Would it be better to print the tickets at 100 per cent and have some of the print cut off?

2006-10-07 10:12:07
3.   Bob Timmermann
Jon Miller sounds like his voice is just about done.
2006-10-07 10:16:21
4.   Bob Timmermann
Just bring the tickets in. The ticket takers will be able to figure it out. Also I think the scanners will adjust to the size of the barcode.
2006-10-07 10:22:55
5.   jff123
4 Thanks, Bob. I'll probably print them out both ways, just in case.

Rats... I can't belive it, but my heart is rooting for the Padres today. We have good friends that are Padres fans and I feel their pain.

2006-10-07 10:23:04
6.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have just turned in their comprable inning to the Dodgers single into a double play.

Single by Roberts
2-base error by Duncan on a Walker liner
Weak ground out by Giles
Grounder to first and Pujols throws out Roberts at the plate
Molina picks off Piazza at first

2006-10-07 10:24:06
7.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure the ticket takers get those printouts in all sorts of weird formats and with barcodes that don't print out well, etc.

As long as they can read the numbers below the barcode, they can always just key in the numbers by hand.

2006-10-07 10:25:55
8.   Bob Timmermann
Crawl on ESPN says that Nomar Garciaparra won the NL Comeback Player of the Year. Jim Thome won in the AL.
2006-10-07 10:28:40
9.   jff123
Now why couldn't the Ticketmaster people tell me that! Good for Nomar!
2006-10-07 10:29:27
10.   gpellamjr
5 I've been rooting for the Padres all series long. First because I wanted an all-west NLCS, and because the Cards refused to help us out at the end there, losing 2 of 3 to SD.
2006-10-07 10:32:22
11.   Linkmeister
This is amusing. Thanks for the recap, Bob. I missed what happened while downloading e-mail, but I'd seen the first two hitters get aboard; when I came out to pour more coffee I saw the Padres in the field and said "How did they not get a run when their first two guys got on? I'll go to the blogs to find out."

Now I know.

2006-10-07 10:33:25
12.   Ken Arneson
I once had to learn how to read barcodes for a computer programming class. It was like learning how to read Russian or Greek, a whole new alphabet.

I doubt a 96% resolution will screw up the bar code scanners.

2006-10-07 10:33:50
13.   Bob Timmermann
Why would the Ticketmaster people want to help you? They already have your money. And when you have to buy another ticket, you have to come to them anyway. It's not like you're going to take your business elsewhere. I can't imagine that customer service is a big expense for them. Now if you were the Dodgers and you contracted with them for service for several million dollars per year, then they would return your call.

In about a week.

2006-10-07 10:35:02
14.   Bob Timmermann
If you want to be a real geek, look at the numbers below the bar code and try to figure out the formula for the check digit at the end.
2006-10-07 10:35:20
15.   underdog
I'm sort of rooting for the Padres today too - words I'd never thought I'd utter. If nothing else to defend the honor of our defiled division. More important that the Dodgers do that later today.

Hey, can y'all confirm - is the game start time 4:35 or 5:05? I've seen it listed both ways in various papers...

2006-10-07 10:36:35
16.   jff123
10 Exactly! My 9 year old thinks I'm crazy, though. I have to admit that some of it is for the stupid reason that Tony La Russa still has the "enemy" look for me from 1988. Trite, I know.
2006-10-07 10:36:47
17.   Bob Timmermann
With the hellacious traffic that there will be in L.A. today, I would plan on 4:35 anyway. Then if the game starts at 5:05, you will have missed only three innings by the time you get there!

My girlfriend left at 8:30 for the USC game.

2006-10-07 10:38:04
18.   underdog
17 Thanks! Except, alas, I'll be arriving to the game via the magic of television here in SF, so traffic's less of a worry than is TiVo in case I don't get back home in time.
2006-10-07 10:39:53
19.   Sam DC
So the AP now has quotes from Tomko and Nomar ripping Beimel. Sort of surprised there's not more of a circle the wagons, team, omerta, thin blue line sort of thing.

And no quotes from any player of the "Big mistake, but lots of people make mistakes and we've got to bet his back" type thing.

And there's been a shortage of truck washing jokes in the coverage all around, if you ask me.

2006-10-07 10:41:49
20.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, I see. I think it's going to be 4:30ish.
2006-10-07 10:42:49
21.   underdog
19 Well Colletti was quoted thusly (from story):
"Not one of us hasn't made mistakes, and he was man enough to call me," Colletti said. "I'm glad he chose to come clean and not continue to leave doubt in people's minds."

FWIW. (not much?) I just wonder if the team can rally around it instead of being distracted behind it. Whatever works.

2006-10-07 10:45:29
22.   jff123
Quote from my 9-year old just now, "I cannot root for the Padres, I would rather DIE!"

He is so bummed that his fall ball pony league team this season is the Padres. He says that he's going to burn his uniform when the season ends. We keep trying to tell him that it could have been worse, it could have been the Giants.

2006-10-07 10:54:22
23.   natepurcell

nomars not coming back and beimel has proved ot be more useful then tomko this year. so what they say really doesnt hold any substance to me.

And go Cardinals. I dont want the Padres advancing and somehow winning a WS.

2006-10-07 10:55:36
24.   Andrew Shimmin
22- Sounds like you're raising him right.
2006-10-07 10:58:05
25.   Bob Timmermann
The ESPN crawl is saying that Alex Rodriguez will bat 8th today for the Yankees and Giambi will sit.
2006-10-07 11:05:12
26.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Jeff Suppan is the only participant in the postseason who has had a private audience with Pope Benedict.

"Private audiences" just mean that they are smaller than normal. It wasn't one on one.

2006-10-07 11:05:46
27.   still bevens
25 Kenny Rogers is not a great human being but I reveled in his pwning of the Yankees last night. I hope A-Rod goes 4-4 and the Yankees still lose.
2006-10-07 11:19:33
28.   Bob Timmermann
Ooh, the Padres have a lead!
2006-10-07 11:20:51
29.   Bob Timmermann
According to Ducksnorts, this is the first time the Padres have led a postseason game since Game 6 of the 1998 NLCS.
2006-10-07 11:21:57
30.   das411
Ahhh finally, the NL streak of sending a different team to the World Series every year sine 1997 has a chance again! ...sort of
2006-10-07 11:26:07
31.   Bob Timmermann
It's actually the first lead in a playoff game for the Padres since Game 3 of the 1998 World Series.

Then Scott Brosius happened.

2006-10-07 11:29:10
32.   das411
*that was a "since".

And Bob, be careful mentioning Brosius near Ken, the two of them go waaaaay back...

2006-10-07 11:30:28
33.   Bob Timmermann
1998 - Padres
1999 - Braves
2000 - Mets
2001 - DBacks
2002 - Giants
2003 - Marlins
2004 - Cardinals
2005 - Astros

I don't see how the Cardinals-Padres can affect that. The Dodgers would be the only team that would be unique if they made it to the World Series.

2006-10-07 11:34:59
34.   bhsportsguy
Bob, if we can pull out today's game, will you be able to watch all of tomorrwo's game, it will give me something else to pull for today.
2006-10-07 11:37:16
35.   Bob Timmermann
I may be able to watch all of a potential Game 4 depending upon the time.

A Game 5 would not be seen by me as I will be in the air at the time.

2006-10-07 11:41:52
36.   Linkmeister
35 We got held up on the tarmac back in 1987 or whenever it was that Elway's "The Drive" took place; we saw it on the plane's cabin screen.

Maybe that'll happen for you, Bob!

2006-10-07 11:43:22
37.   Bob Timmermann
My flight Monday is supposed to leave around 1 pm. If I'm still on the tarmac by 5 pm, I will be really angry.
2006-10-07 11:43:45
38.   bhsportsguy
Okay time for me to start off, Go Dodgers, Go Bruins and I hope that tomorrow, I have to be out to the Stadium again. See and read everyone later.
2006-10-07 11:45:52
39.   LAT
Hey Sam,I feel the pain of your potluck dinner tonight. I had tickets for todays game but when they changed the time from 1:00pm to 4:35pm, poof, there they went. I have to go to a very close family friends' bar mitzvah this evening. I suspect a number of the dads will be in the bar watching on TV. Let's hope they win so I can use tomorrow's tickets.
2006-10-07 11:51:55
40.   Ladderkite
I have a question about the Ravine. My friends and I are trying to clarify whether or not there is a designated spot in the parking lot for "tailgating". Does anybody know for sure? We don't think so. Not that its going to stop us though.
2006-10-07 11:52:27
41.   das411
33 - but the streak can be reset from 1998 onwards if the Padres make it, like it was from 1997 when the Marlins made it in 03. If the Mets or -shudder- Cards make it in, that beautiful streak ends and it will be a long long time before we see a longer one.
2006-10-07 11:53:45
42.   ddger

Either Torre is getting desperate, has guts and not let Rod's ego get in the way of winning.

Would Grady be able to do the same thing?

2006-10-07 11:53:54
43.   Bob Timmermann
There is no designated spot for tailgating at Dodger Stadium and it's officially prohibited.

Enforcement of this rule varies. Usually they will let you sit in your car with a few drinks, but don't think of setting up a barbecue or anything like that.

I've tripped over many a beer bottle in the parking lot.

2006-10-07 11:54:30
44.   bonnie
Hey Bob, or anyone else who knows,:

My normal route to the game is the 210, to Fair Oaks, to the 110. Is that going to be a bad way to go today? Any suggestions? I can't leave early because of work. Hopefully will be at Fair Oaks around 4pm.

Any help is appreciated from you locals. I have about an eighty mile drive.

2006-10-07 11:54:40
45.   LAT
Dave Roberts 3-3. Is that a typo? Actually he is the only Padre I like. The rest of them I could care less about. I actully like them less than the Giants. They have no character. They are so bland they are hardly worthy of all the contempt I have for them. Here's hoping they get swept out.
2006-10-07 11:56:02
46.   still bevens
40 I would recomment just drinking in the parking lot until they tell you to move. From there on I think its ok if youre drinking and walking towards the stadium, so just do that very slowly and you should be ok. hehe.
2006-10-07 11:56:06
47.   Bob Timmermann
That won't be all that bad. There is a UCLA game at the Rose Bowl at 4, but the traffic for that tends to get distributed a bit more evenly.

You should be able to get down the 110 to the Academy Road exit in plenty of time.

The USC crowd will be coming NORTH on the 110.

2006-10-07 11:56:18
48.   Sam DC
Situational Hitting is the new Productive Out.

And I couldn't be more sick of it already.

2006-10-07 11:59:19
49.   Ladderkite
46 - that's our usual method. Today will be the same i guess. Right on, thanks guys.
2006-10-07 11:59:33
50.   Bob Timmermann
Jon, of course, is front of his TV watching Stanford play at Notre Dame.
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2006-10-07 12:00:46
51.   bonnie
Thanks Bob. I usually go early and to games that are not sold out, so I was stressing over the traffic. Last time I went to a sold out game was Opening Day 2005. The last mile on the 110 took almost an hour. We missed all the Opening Ceremony and the first 2 and a half innings.
2006-10-07 12:01:10
52.   Bob Timmermann
From reading Ducksnorts, I think Padres fans hold Todd Walker in the same regard as Dodger fans have for Julio Lugo.
2006-10-07 12:07:37
53.   Bob Timmermann
You could bail off the 110 at Avenue 26 if it looks bad.

You need to take a left (which takes some patience at times). Then take Avenue 26 to end where it forms a 3-way intersection with Pasadena Ave and North Broadway. Turn right on to North Broadway and that will take you into the stadium after turning right on to Solano.

2006-10-07 12:13:01
54.   Bob Timmermann
For illustrative purposes:

2006-10-07 12:14:48
55.   LAT
Using the Yahoo LOB standard the Pods have left 16 through 6.
2006-10-07 12:16:19
56.   LAT
Another reason to dislike the Pods: Very stupid to start D. Wells in game two over C. Young.
2006-10-07 12:17:02
57.   Bob Timmermann
The Ducksnorts guys can't figure out why Wells started over Young either.
2006-10-07 12:23:01
58.   LAT
King Albert up with 2 on. Will the legend continue. . .
2006-10-07 12:23:19
59.   underdog
56 Maybe they figured they wouldn't score any runs at PetCo no matter who was pitching so might as well save Young for the road game in which they might score a run or three?
2006-10-07 12:23:32
60.   xaphor
Perhaps Young's road record combined with the intrinsic belief that they would light up Weaver. I still would have run Young out there in game two, however.
2006-10-07 12:26:40
61.   underdog
Tony Perez is "one of the great philosophers of baseball"?

Good ol' Joe Morgan.

2006-10-07 12:26:50
62.   LAT
"the intrinsic belief that they would light up Weaver"

I think that's it. Heck, who doesn't share that belief.

2006-10-07 12:27:13
63.   underdog
Yikes. That was close.
2006-10-07 12:27:39
64.   LAT
Roberts almost fatally misjudged that fly ball.
2006-10-07 12:27:48
65.   Andrew Shimmin
50- If he is, he's smiling. 7-3 ND after a quarter? How sweet would it be if Stanford can bring down the domers? ND is going 0-3 against the Pac 10 this year; book it.
2006-10-07 12:32:10
66.   Greg Brock
Sorry Andrew, I'm not going to book it. I wish I could book it. I want to book it. But I can't book it.
2006-10-07 12:32:27
67.   Bob Timmermann
I'm surprised Stanford scored against Notre Dame. That's not a very good offense.

Penn State won in OT 28-27 after Minnesota mised a PAT in the first OT. Apparently, college football protocol doesn't require y ou to pile on the kicker for making a game-ending PAT.

I don't know if I've ever seen a game-ending CONVERTED 1-point PAT.

2006-10-07 12:33:45
68.   underdog
If the Dodger game doesn't go well tonight, I highly recommend a dose of Weird Al to brighten your mood:

Funny, Joe Morgan seems to have forgotten Mike Piazza played for the Dodgers.

2006-10-07 12:34:34
69.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't the USC game on FSN?

My cable system is showing Big 12 game.

2006-10-07 12:38:03
70.   Andrew Shimmin
Huh, consulting (a daily read of Bob's, I'm sure), it looks like UCLA and Stanford play ND again next year.

Stanford holds on fourth down. When they pull this game out, Brock is going to look like a major jerk for not booking it, as he was told to.

2006-10-07 12:38:45
71.   Andrew Shimmin
69- Prime Ticket, I think.
2006-10-07 12:39:19
72.   underdog
The line-up's on Inside the Dodgers now, and it's 100% Lugo-free!

Also, as Nomar's officially won Comeback Player of the Year, take note of this from Josh: "If you're coming to the game, make sure you get here early. Introductions on the field and Nomar's ceremony will start around 4:40 but as you can imagine, we're expecting a lot of people here today. That means parking will be crowded, will call lines will be longer than usual and you'll want to be here for all the festivities."

So I guess official game start time will be closer to 5 after all.

2006-10-07 12:39:33
73.   Bob Timmermann
FSN isn't even showing a Big 12 game. They're showing a Big 12 weekly highlight show.
2006-10-07 12:40:27
74.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, the comforting face of Jim Watson in the little PIP....
2006-10-07 12:47:03
75.   Voxter
73 - FSNW is showing the game, though I guess that could be because Washington is involved.
2006-10-07 12:50:30
76.   Bob Timmermann
I'm assuming USC will be #2 with a win since Auburn got clobbered at home by Arkansas.

The same Arkansas team that USC clobbered in Fayetteville.

2006-10-07 12:50:48
77.   Bluebleeder87
i'm drunk as hell listing to Louis XIV - Finding Out True Love Is Blind woo!!!!!!
2006-10-07 12:55:20
78.   JoeyP
Did you know that Rafael Furcal's team has lost in the 1st round of the playoffs every single season of his career?

Thats amazing.
6 straight years.

2006-10-07 13:00:41
79.   Bob Timmermann
But Furcal was injured and missed the 2001 NLDS win for the Braves over Houston.
2006-10-07 13:01:43
80.   JoeyP
Yep, maybe he's bad luck....
2006-10-07 13:02:48
81.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure Rey Sanchez was a big help in the NLCS for the Braves in 2001.
2006-10-07 13:09:50
82.   Daniel Zappala
"Big news" is that Torre has moved A-Rod to the 8th spot in the batting order. I know the batting order doesn't matter that much, but personally I think Torre has grossly mishandled this situation. In my lineup, A-Rod hits third no matter what.
2006-10-07 13:10:52
83.   bigcpa
AROD in the Cora slot. Love it.
2006-10-07 13:12:10
84.   Bob Timmermann
Did anyone see USC's touchdown. It came on a fake field goal. Steve Smith lined up just inside the sidelines, which I thought was illegal, but apparently isn't. You can do so if you stand in between the hash marks in the huddle and then break out to the sideline.

What you can't do is come in off the bench and stand just inside the sideline.

2006-10-07 13:13:28
85.   das411
That homer was So Taguchi!!
2006-10-07 13:14:11
86.   Bob Timmermann
Taguchi homered on an 0-2 pitch. And he can barely reach the warning track on a good day.
2006-10-07 13:15:28
87.   Daniel Zappala
84 Didn't see it, but one of the funnest plays in my flag football career was just like that, except it wasn't a fake field goal, it was a regular play from scrimmage. Caught a 50-yard pass, and would have had a touchdown if the quarterback had led me. When something good happened to me in grade school, I tended to remember it.
2006-10-07 13:18:39
88.   MMSMikey
im heading out to the stadium to catch BP. lets go dodgers. THINK BLUE.
2006-10-07 13:18:44
89.   D4P
I have bad memories of 4th grade flag football. In one particular game (perhaps the worst officiated in the history of sports...?), we had

1. A touchdown called back ostensibly because our ball carrier's flag had fallen off, except in reality both of his flags were still on
2. An interception return called back ostensibly because our interceptor had run out of bounds, except in reality he had just gone outside one of the hash marks.

2006-10-07 13:18:53
90.   LAT
Pujlos owns Linbrink. Bring in Trevor early.
2006-10-07 13:19:47
91.   Bob Timmermann
There is no joy in the Mound City, Mighty Albert has gone GIDP.
2006-10-07 13:19:56
92.   LAT
Never mind. Albert hits into DP.

If he were a Yankee they would be trading him right now.

2006-10-07 13:24:14
93.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not a football expert, but I think that USC is playing better against Washington than UCLA did because USC is much better than UCLA.

It's a bold assertion on my part.

2006-10-07 13:26:49
94.   D4P
But not a bold assertion...
2006-10-07 13:27:15
95.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently Joe Morgan knows nothing about the Padres or Cardinals except that Albert Pujols plays for St. Louis.
2006-10-07 13:31:19
96.   LAT
82. And no Giambi today.
2006-10-07 13:31:30
97.   Bob Timmermann
They finally started in Detroit. Which leads me to believe that the Dodgers won't get underway until 5ish.
2006-10-07 13:32:00
98.   Bob Timmermann
And if the Dodgers spoke Yiddish, they would be starting at Fivush.
2006-10-07 13:34:27
99.   LAT
Fox announcers calling the Yankee-Tiger game as the Rich Kids against the Average Joes. Shhesh.
2006-10-07 13:42:29
100.   bonnie
53 and 54. Thanks Bob! That looks like a good back up plan. I used to take the Broadway exit off the 5 before, so I'm slightly familiar with the area. I appreciate your help.
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2006-10-07 13:44:43
101.   Bob Timmermann
Poor Pudge Rodriguez can never get paid what he's worth.
2006-10-07 13:45:59
102.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres won and set an NLDS record with 14 runners LOB in the game.

The alltime postseason record is 15 in a 9-inning game.

2006-10-07 13:46:40
103.   LAT
Pods live to fight another day.

Assuming the Cards throw Cartpender tomorrow it may be just putting off the envititable.

2006-10-07 13:47:31
104.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals are definitely pitching Carpenter tomorrow. The Padres will probably start Williams although they could use Peavy.
2006-10-07 13:48:11
105.   LAT
Tigers up 1-0. Thank you Magglio
2006-10-07 13:49:30
106.   Bob Timmermann
I think the Cardinals still have an edge in their series against the Padres even if they lose tomorrow.
Presumably, they would have Big Game Jeff going in Game 5.
2006-10-07 13:56:18
107.   D4P
With all the money in the world, the Yankees still can't acquire great starting pitching
2006-10-07 13:58:34
108.   Bob Timmermann
The A's seem to have very good starting pitching. Go figure.
2006-10-07 13:59:54
109.   D4P
It's almost as if the A's have some money-saving strategy that allows them to identify undervalued players or something
2006-10-07 14:00:08
110.   Bob Timmermann
It's very odd to see Gary Sheffield playing first.
2006-10-07 14:00:59
111.   Bob Timmermann
You know I read a book about that once.

It was entitled "Remembrance of Things Past."

2006-10-07 14:01:20
112.   natepurcell
i think this is the offseason where3 or so big stars are going to be traded.
2006-10-07 14:05:59
113.   gpellamjr
112 And which do the Dodgers end up getting?
2006-10-07 14:06:14
114.   50 years a Dodger Fan
107 No problem, we'll trade them Penny and Tomko...

109 See Billy Beane and Sabremetrics

2006-10-07 14:07:30
115.   Greg Brock
112 You have to figure Manny (has to happen eventually, right?), Maybe A-Rod, and who else?
2006-10-07 14:08:44
116.   Greg Brock
I could see Carl Crawford getting traded.
2006-10-07 14:09:01
117.   D4P
See Billy Beane and Sabremetrics

Billy who and Sabre what...?

2006-10-07 14:10:48
118.   Greg Brock
Joe Morgan keeps telling me not to read that book that Billy Beane wrote.
2006-10-07 14:10:52
119.   Bob Timmermann
How do the Yankees trade any big star? They make a ton of money. Who would want the contracts?
2006-10-07 14:11:19
120.   Bob Timmermann

Proust can be a tough read.

2006-10-07 14:12:24
121.   Greg Brock
119 Well, since A-Rod's salary is split up among twelve teams (or two, depending on how much you like hyperbole), that's about the only guy you could move off that team.
2006-10-07 14:13:07
122.   Greg Brock
120 Oh, I thought he was talking about Exodus.

Beane...Uris...What's the difference.

2006-10-07 14:14:20
123.   Bob Timmermann
Nothin' is better for crackin' turtles than Leon Uris.
2006-10-07 14:16:34
124.   Greg Brock
123 Cletus, is that you?

How's Brandine doin'?

2006-10-07 14:18:04
125.   Greg Brock
You want me to attend the funeral of the Sultan of Brunei? Well, I would consider it my honor. (covers the phone and yells) Hey Brandine! Pack my evenin' britches! We's goin' to Brunei!
2006-10-07 14:19:52
126.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, I can see my ma from up here!

Hey Ma, get off the danged roof!

2006-10-07 14:20:42
127.   Bob Timmermann
I think Alex Belth may be glad that he missed this one. And I hope Cliff comes back from his honeymoon in a good mood.
2006-10-07 14:36:45
128.   Greg Brock
Steve Lyons has never heard of the '27 Yankees.
2006-10-07 14:46:09
129.   twerp
Hope this hasn't been posted; not, best I could tell===

Oct. 9 Sports Illustrated out with all-time team. Those surveyed included Bill James and Peter Gammons, and "more than a dozen former and current SI staffers."

Excerpted from and no doubt timed with the SI Baseball Book, "on sale this week."

Those disagreeing--shock, could such a thing possibly happen--are invited to to correct things by casting their own ballot.

Manager Jon McGraw, Coaches Joe McCarthy & Casey Stengel

Players (25)--7 starters, 2 relievers, 2C, 7 OF, 7 IF. Team described as a "fascinating blend of art and science."

Starters: Warren Spahn! (exclamation point mine), Lefty Grove, C. Mathewson, Koufax, Walter Johnson, Clemens, Cy Young

Note (mine). Until seeing this I didn't realize Koufax had a posteason ERA of 0.95.

Relievers: Eckersley, Rivera

Catchers: Berra, Bench

IF& OF: Gehrig, Jackie Robinson, Stan Musial, R. Hornsby, Honus Wagner, Mike Schmidt, A-Rod, DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Cobb, Ruth, Mantle, Aaron, Mays

Story said all-time hits leader Rose "simply not better than any of these infielders or outfielders." His gambling had "no impact" on ballot.

Also, Bonds not included "because his freakish late career production linked to steroids and other performance enhancing drugs, has numbers not to be believed."

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