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Auf Wiedersehen, Giovanni/
Cardinals-Mets, NLCS Game 2 Chat
2006-10-13 15:50
by Jon Weisman

The Dodger postseason roster moves have begun with ... (ta da!) the addition of Las Vegas shortstop Wilson Valdez and the yet-again subtraction of reliever Giovanni Carrara from the 40-man roster, according to Ken Gurnick of

Rafael Furcal won't be looking over his shoulder. Valdez had a nice enough on-base percentage (.366) for the 51s, but it was nearly as high as his slugging percentage (.381), and he was caught stealing on 40 percent of his 43 attempts. Valdez is 28.

In addition, Marlon Anderson had bone-chip removal surgery, right-elbow version. Recovery is expected in three weeks, Gurnick wrote.

* * *

Cardinals at Mets, 5:05 p.m.

Comments (276)
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2006-10-13 15:59:23
1.   bigcpa
So we can expect Carrara back around May 2007.
2006-10-13 16:01:39
2.   dzzrtRatt
Caught stealing 40 out of 43 attempts?

You'd think after about 25 CSs he'd give it up.

2006-10-13 16:02:04
3.   regfairfield
If we lost Wilson Valdez, we'd only have three guys that can play shortstop, so I see why we'd protect him.
2006-10-13 16:05:43
4.   caseybarker
2 Yeah, I did that, too. He was caught on 40 percent of attempts.
2006-10-13 16:05:47
5.   Jon Weisman
2 - 40 percent
2006-10-13 16:06:38
6.   caseybarker
...which is still like 18 caught stealing.
2006-10-13 16:06:47
7.   ssjames
This just in from the "You Gotta be Kidding Me Dept," apparently a plane carrying A-Rod just skidded off the runway at Burbank airport. They believe that he is okay, but what a week for Yankees and flying. You would think that they would start taking buses or something.

2006-10-13 16:07:03
8.   trainwreck
I would forget about Maddux and try to sign Lilly.
2006-10-13 16:08:16
9.   Bluebleeder87
it's kind of suprising Jon dosn't mention D when mentioning SStops, it's the first thing i look at. it's like looking at a 6'3 guy that is clumsy as hell.

ps east l.a guy/monterey park guy making a dumb post maybe.

2006-10-13 16:12:17
10.   Jon Weisman
9 - I know of no reliable defensive stats on Valdez and have never seen him play, so what could I say about him defensively?

If you read his offensive stats above, unless you've seen Valdez in person, defense was not the first thing you looked at. Ha! :)

2006-10-13 16:12:30
11.   dzzrtRatt
2 Oops. Never mind. Can't believe I missed "percent."
2006-10-13 16:13:14
12.   trainwreck
I would also shop Kent and Ethier around. I think Betemit can have just as good or better year than Kent at second base. As for Ethier, I think this may be his peak value.
2006-10-13 16:13:47
13.   underdog
Doesn't Wilson Valdez just sound like a Dodger name?

I would like to see the Dodgers make some more subtractions without worry about additions/replacements right now, but maybe they have to fill a spot when they clear one.

2006-10-13 16:15:48
14.   underdog
As for shortstops and defense, I'd rather have Lu on the 40 man than Valdez.

2006-10-13 16:16:53
15.   Uncle Miltie
10- I did see Valdez play a few games while he was playing for the Mariners. His defense looked pretty good and he's an above average runner. His bat was almost non existent. Since he probably isn't as good as Juan Castro defensively, I see him as a AAAA player.
2006-10-13 16:18:09
16.   Bluebleeder87


2006-10-13 16:19:12
17.   Uncle Miltie
trainwreck- you want the Dodgers to shop Kent and Ethier and to go after Ted Lilly and Carl Crawford...

Are you my long-lost twin brother?

2006-10-13 16:22:03
18.   D4P
was caught stealing on 40 percent of his 43 attempts

Sounds like he was leaking oil...

2006-10-13 16:23:25
19.   Bluebleeder87

as all good G.M's you can *build around" those soft hands.IMO.

2006-10-13 16:26:01
20.   bigcpa
12 I concur on both counts. If Ethier hits .280 he becomes the dreaded .775 OPS 4th OF envisioned all along. If he gets packaged for A Jones or V Wells then maybe we can live with an Anderson/Kemp LF platoon/competition.
2006-10-13 16:26:36
21.   trainwreck
That would explain why my mom always said she kept the wrong one.
2006-10-13 16:26:45
22.   trainwreck
2006-10-13 16:28:06
23.   trainwreck
My goal is to have Drew be our oldest starting position player.
2006-10-13 16:29:24
24.   Bluebleeder87
"Auf Wiedersehen" i just found out what that means & i think Gio says "ojala muy pronto" chao por aora.
2006-10-13 16:32:16
25.   Bluebleeder87

with all our young studs that's a good goal.

2006-10-13 16:33:15
26.   regfairfield
14 I don't think Hu is rule five eligible for a while. Colletti is just protecting Valdez from the rule five, I imagine.
2006-10-13 16:34:17
27.   dzzrtRatt
Man -- I am not a big A's fan, but I feel for their fans today. That team is just being stifled. When Frank Thomas isn't hitting, there's not much going on for them offensively.
2006-10-13 16:35:39
28.   underdog
26 Ah yes, true. While Hu hopes to make the 40 man roster, he doesn't need to until next year I believe. Still I wouldn't cry if the team lost Valdez in the Rule 5, was mostly my point.
2006-10-13 16:37:13
29.   CanuckDodger
26 -- Hu is Rule 5 eligible this off-season. He will be added to the 40-man roster for sure.
2006-10-13 16:41:12
30.   Jon Weisman
Giovanni Carrara isn't German???
2006-10-13 16:48:09
31.   Bluebleeder87

i heard him talk on prime/fox believe me i know!!! ;o)

2006-10-13 16:48:15
32.   Linkmeister
30 If he's from the Tyrol it's possible. That area has changed hands almost as frequently as Alsace-Lorraine has.
2006-10-13 16:56:12
33.   underdog
29 Ah! Then, what I said before.

30 Carrara is part of that hearty Germanzuelan population.

2006-10-13 16:59:42
34.   Bluebleeder87
Carrara is part of that hearty Germanzuelan population

i just looked it up & theres no such thing!

2006-10-13 17:01:25
35.   Bluebleeder87
McCarver is one the broadcasters for the Cards against Metropolitans
2006-10-13 17:16:02
36.   Telemachos
34 :)
2006-10-13 17:26:01
37.   caseybarker
30 It may depend on what his dad was doing in the early 1940's.
2006-10-13 17:26:17
38.   Bluebleeder87

mestizo es mi sangre. :o)

2006-10-13 17:32:26
39.   Bluebleeder87
lucky hit by Spizeio (?) i hope that changes there luck.
2006-10-13 17:32:55
40.   das411
So....this Delgado guy can hit.

35 - Funny how this always seems to show up right around this time of year...

2006-10-13 17:36:43
41.   caseybarker
40 THAT is funny. Tim McCarver looks to have John Edwards beat, if only for this week.
2006-10-13 17:37:21
42.   FirstMohican
There's a ton of Germans in South America. I always thought Giovanni looked like he should own a pizza parlor in the Bronx.
2006-10-13 17:38:34
43.   FirstMohican
Does any not have the Tigers as their WS favs?
2006-10-13 17:40:26
44.   Bluebleeder87
""Whether people think he's a douche bag or not, our ratings are up and we're not going to mess with that."

thank god my coach/dad traind me to see things McCarver can't see. :o)

2006-10-13 17:43:20
45.   Bluebleeder87
Giovanni looked like he should own a pizza parlor in the Bronx.

umm pizza!!

2006-10-13 17:47:00
46.   Bluebleeder87
Carpenter just did Chavez a favor with his long hurky jurky swing.
2006-10-13 18:10:48
47.   das411
Ahhh I love America, I just went to McDonalds down the street and in less than the time it took me to walk down there, I bought some 1800 calories worth of food for just over $6. Where else can you buy 90% of the daily recommended food intake for one hour's wages??

Ack and who was on base for that HR?

2006-10-13 18:14:43
48.   D4P
90% of the daily recommended food intake

And 900% of the daily recommended fat and salt intake

2006-10-13 18:23:53
49.   Andrew Shimmin
48- The closest McDonalds to me is in a Walmart. I think of you when I'm there.
2006-10-13 18:24:08
50.   Bluebleeder87

& my fat friends tell me why i have so much engergy.

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2006-10-13 18:28:24
51.   D4P
It doesn't get much un-edgier than eating at a McDonalds in a Walmart...
2006-10-13 18:33:56
52.   Andrew Shimmin
51- Well I've not actually eaten there, I don't think. I can't remember having, anyway. But I go to that Walmart regularly, and the McDonalds is right by the door.
2006-10-13 18:38:09
53.   das411
Andrew, that's not the Walmart on Delaware Avenue in south Philly, is it? I bought some double cheeseburgers there just, two months ago...I think....zzzzz....

Oh wait, that's just this Mets/Cards game putting me to sleep instead.

2006-10-13 18:41:54
54.   D4P
But I go to that Walmart regularly

Again, in stark contrast to your legendary edginess...

2006-10-13 18:44:13
55.   xaphor
54. What's edgier than a morning breakfast consisting of a small coffee and a box of bullets. All a man needs to keep him going throughout the day.
2006-10-13 18:50:35
56.   Bluebleeder87

last time i had Coffee it gave me the runs

2006-10-13 18:51:41
57.   Andrew Shimmin
54- Even if I go explicitly for the purpose of exploiting workers and hastening the apocalypse? Isn't that even a little edgy? Oh who am I kidding? I'm just not that edgy. I've been living a lie!

53- There's one in the 24 hour Walmart in San Dimas that I went to a few times when I was younger, and not sleeping was new and fun. McDonalds is not that much worse than Denny's. Their coffee is probably better.

2006-10-13 18:56:57
58.   Bluebleeder87

what i find more interesting is gambling in a McDonalds Vegas.

2006-10-13 19:02:31
59.   Bluebleeder87
Arteries friend of foe?
2006-10-13 19:05:54
60.   Andrew Shimmin
54- By the way, when are you going to start using your new screen name? Torii4Ever, right? That's pretty edgy.
2006-10-13 19:10:41
61.   Bluebleeder87
this Cardinals vs NY game is really interesting huh
2006-10-13 19:10:51
62.   xaphor
60. T4D :)
2006-10-13 19:27:42
63.   dagwich
Didn't they leave some important info out of the Lo Duca profile? Like how he like teenage girls scattered up the northeast corridor?
2006-10-13 19:46:42
64.   WellsforKemp
you could say the radar gun on fox is a little jacked up right now....... if Carpenter could really throw 98-99 he would be untouchable
2006-10-13 19:53:19
65.   dagwich
That was almost an amazing catch by Green. As it is I couldn't tell if he saved a home run or almost knocked it over the fence.
2006-10-13 19:54:48
66.   GoBears
From Jon's post: In addition, Marlon Anderson had bone-chip removal surgery, right-elbow version. Recovery is expected in three weeks, Gurnick wrote.

I sure hope those weren't magic bone chips, like the ones in Beltre's ankle in '04. If they were, MARLON could be back to just Marlon next season.

2006-10-13 19:57:05
67.   Andrew Shimmin
66- Sometimes it seems like the Dodgers medical staff is trying to destroy the team.
2006-10-13 19:58:18
68.   Vishal
[27] condolences appreciated.
2006-10-13 19:59:43
69.   WellsforKemp
sure hope those weren't magic bone chips, like the ones in Beltre's ankle in '04. If they were, MARLON could be back to just Marlon next season.

untill someone gives me a better reason, im going to go with magic bone chips

2006-10-13 20:06:22
70.   Vishal
well, with beltre's bone chips there was the at least plausible-sounding explanation that his ankle bone chips discouraged him from lunging at low-and-away sliders. i don't see how elbow bone chips = prodigous power and improved contact.
2006-10-13 20:07:20
71.   Vishal
oh yeah, and beltre's were bone spurs, were they not? is there a difference?
2006-10-13 20:08:36
72.   D4P
By the way, when are you going to start using your new screen name? Torii4Ever, right?

At this point, that screen name is only a rumor (which Steve has no doubt heard...)

2006-10-13 20:13:36
73.   dzzrtRatt
Speaking of Wal-Mart, this was interesting.

And I'm no Wal-Mart basher. I think I'm wearing a Wal-Mart t-shirt as I write. But...pathetic stuff.

2006-10-13 20:14:53
74.   WellsforKemp
apparently every pitcher on both sides throws atleast 95mph
2006-10-13 20:17:57
75.   D4P
I was pleased to see that Walmart was ordered to pay some $70 million to former employees in a single state who were forced to work extra hours for no pay. I would expect similar lawsuits to follow
2006-10-13 20:26:32
76.   D4P
The key to having a very long major league career:

have the last name of "Franco"

2006-10-13 20:31:35
77.   dzzrtRatt
"WellsforKemp"...I assume you mean Vernon Wells? Or did you assume that handle at the trading deadline? (Shudder)

Is Vernon Wells really that good? Isn't he about to qualify for the elephant dollar? Just because he plays for Toronto doesn't make him Carlos Delgado.

2006-10-13 20:35:43
78.   xaphor
Who has an AFL blog? Hu of course:

76. Also applies to Spanish Dictators.

2006-10-13 20:35:51
79.   dzzrtRatt
Wow. I didn't think this inning would end with Beltran hitting a double play.
2006-10-13 20:36:52
80.   D4P
With one out, a double play pretty much always ends the inning...
2006-10-13 20:43:50
81.   mehmattski
He's So Taguchi!
2006-10-13 20:49:34
82.   gpellamjr
I only call Andrew edgy to make him feel better. We all know he's not. But it's a pleasant lie.
2006-10-13 20:50:22
83.   dzzrtRatt
80 You know what I meant. Beltran is a Cardinal-killer. Two men on, one out -- a single at least. Or no worse than a long fly out.
2006-10-13 20:54:21
84.   gpellamjr
75 Nice to meet you, Mr. Stalin.
2006-10-13 20:57:01
85.   WellsforKemp
"WellsforKemp"...I assume you mean Vernon Wells? Or did you assume that handle at the trading deadline? (Shudder)

its from the rumors of the Redsox asking kemp for David Wells at the deadline.......I was in no way in favor and found it pretty funny:)..... I like Kemp alot and am hoping he gets a chance next year

2006-10-13 20:59:04
86.   D4P
That's Mr. Pot to you, sonny...
2006-10-13 21:01:39
87.   gpellamjr
86 You commies all look the same to me. Sorry.
2006-10-13 21:02:32
88.   D4P
Takes one to know one...
2006-10-13 21:03:03
89.   gpellamjr
88 Slander!
2006-10-13 21:04:08
90.   Andrew Shimmin
D4P wants to destroy capitalism, CanuckDodger wants to impose an after-hours dress code on the players, and Greg Brock hates the environment. It's like our own little axis of Evil.
2006-10-13 21:05:49
91.   D4P
D4P wants to destroy capitalism

I hate your freedom, Andrew

2006-10-13 21:07:14
92.   gpellamjr
91 Andrew has no freedom so long as he stays in the non-edgy closet. Come out, my friend! We'll all be better off for it.
2006-10-13 21:08:15
93.   xaphor
We finally have a series that looks like a decent match up and it is between the two least interesting teams (IMO).
2006-10-13 21:08:44
94.   WellsforKemp
is anyone else kinda disgusted by Spezio's "red thing" on his chin?
2006-10-13 21:09:10
95.   scareduck
90 - can't it be an Axis of Not-Very-Nice?
2006-10-13 21:10:27
96.   scareduck
94 - he's making up for lost time on the Mariners, when he could not sport a red furry thingy. One of the broadcasters suggested it be called "the Tickler", making the sole lady broadcaster blush some.
2006-10-13 21:11:18
97.   Andrew Shimmin
91- I hate so much about the way you choose to be. . .

92- I'm looking forward to blaming my closetedness for all the awful things I plan to do. So, no deal.

2006-10-13 21:12:33
98.   D4P
I hate so much about the way you choose to be. . .

That's just the lack of nicotine talking...

2006-10-13 21:13:48
99.   Andrew Shimmin
Now that D4P has outed himself as a non-The Office watcher, I say we shun him.
2006-10-13 21:15:53
100.   D4P
Give me Arrested Development or give me death!
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2006-10-13 21:40:05
101.   Andrew Shimmin
100- Can't talk, now; shunning.
2006-10-13 21:49:24
102.   D4P
I like "Office Space" that close enough?
2006-10-13 21:50:48
103.   Greg Brock
Just because somebody wants to destroy the environment doesn't make them hate it.

Maybe I want to destroy it out of love. You know, like Clint Eastwood to Hillary Swank in Million Dollar Baby.

2006-10-13 21:55:01
104.   Andrew Shimmin
102- I don't know; is liking O.J. Simpson the same as liking The Simpsons?

Oops. Forgot. Shunning.

2006-10-13 22:04:53
105.   trainwreck
Maybe he likes the real The Office.
2006-10-13 22:12:26
106.   D4P
That's right, trainwreck. Maybe I don't like cheap knock-offs...
2006-10-13 22:16:44
107.   das411 who won the game?
2006-10-13 22:24:49
108.   Andrew Shimmin
105, 106- Well, Jon obviously needs a new TYFN guideline. You people are despicable.

107- Cards.

2006-10-13 22:38:48
109.   Xeifrank
Just a reminder that the Friends of Dodger Thoughts fantasy basketball league still has a few more openings for our live draft that takes place in about 2 weeks. vr, Xei
League ID: 41973
pw: dodgers

2006-10-13 22:42:08
110.   D4P
I will not be told what I can and cannot watch by the Nielsen box. Great shows get canceled, and the Jeff Weavers (or Walmarts) of sitcoms get renewed. I'm not a sheep, and I won't be manipulated.

In other news, I recently watched "The Graduate" for the first time. I thought the ending was disappointing, and not really consistent with the vibe of the rest of the movie...

2006-10-13 22:48:38
111.   GoBears
110. You're unsalvageable.
2006-10-13 22:49:11
112.   trainwreck
The War at Home gets another season yet Lucky Louie is cancelled! Where's the justice?
2006-10-13 22:50:05
113.   D4P
Oh yeah, basketball still exists. I had forgotten. Interest in the NBA seems to have plummeted to pre-Magic/Bird levels...
2006-10-13 22:50:46
114.   Bluebleeder87
Lucky Louie getting cancelled is bad news for me.
2006-10-13 22:53:21
115.   D4P
There are a ton of job openings right now. Just an hour or so ago, 13 new postings appeared, including Cal State-San Luis Obispo, Cornell, USC, MIT, and UCLA.
2006-10-13 22:58:38
116.   Andrew Shimmin
115- Proof that people who don't like The Office can't count.
2006-10-13 23:01:04
117.   D4P
Hey, this is Math Guy you're speaking to...(er, shunning...)
2006-10-14 00:02:24
118.   das411
Has anybody on here ever heard of a band called the Veronicas? One of our campus acapella groups just did a song of theirs tonight and I thought it sounded pretty cool. However I am so clueless when it comes to popular music that it could well be trashy teenager music and I would not know any better....any help here?

110 - What is "The Graduate", one of those newfangled reality shows?

2006-10-14 00:18:15
119.   Steve
I heard a rumor that Torii Hunter is going to guest star on The Office for November sweeps.
2006-10-14 06:12:08
120.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, it's nearly 11 pm Saturday night where I am! Where are my college football finals? I can't find them anywhere.

Stupid earth rotating on its axis.

2006-10-14 07:00:01
121.   adraymond
Your suspicions seem to be correct.
2006-10-14 09:19:56
122.   Frip
"We have more above average talent than possibly any team in the league..."
- True Blue L.A.


2006-10-14 09:37:26
123.   regfairfield
122 To clarify, when I wrote that, I don't consider the "great" talent to account as above average. So Pujols wouldn't qualify as an above average player.

I can see where that would be confusing.

2006-10-14 09:59:14
124.   Andrew Shimmin
121- The list of, "similar artists," is pretty brutal, based on the five names I recognize.
2006-10-14 10:14:58
125.   Greg Brock
Well I used to know a girl and I would have
sworn that her name was Veronica.
Well she used to have a carefree mind of her
own and a delicate look in her eye
These days I'm afraid she's not even sure if her
name is Veronica
2006-10-14 10:27:47
126.   Frip
I hate the use of rock music with baseball. It's so un-right. All the networks do it, from pre-game to post game, and everything in between. Can't JUST ONE network try and be innovative with the soundscape?

Does anyone remember the theme song to This Week in Baseball way back when. So elegant and, I don't know, cerebral? Just very in harmony with the game itself.

What's all this CRUNCH-CRUNCH-CRUNCH---CHUGGA-GHUGGA-CHUGGA, have to do with a slow, languid Sunday afternoon sport?

I can rock with the best of them. I grew up on Black Sabbath and Judas Priest. That's not it. It's just obnoxious and stupid. Rock music everywhere!

2006-10-14 10:28:46
127.   Greg Brock
Okay, since we're on the topic of music, a friend of mine keeps telling me about how good Radiohead is, and about how OK Computer is some sort of seminal album.

Do I need to investigate this further? I know almost nothing about most music from the 90's/2000's, so any help would be appreciated.

2006-10-14 10:41:33
128.   Linkmeister
126 I move we demand that TWIB change its music to something more intellectually interesting. Let's use Aaron Copeland.

For lineup introductions we could have "Fanfare for the Common Man." For double plays we could use some of the faster parts of "Rodeo."

2006-10-14 10:43:46
129.   JJ42
The TWIB theme song is called "Gathering Crowds." You can actually get it as a theme song for your cell phone. One of my friends has the Fox Football theme as her ring tone. It's kinda funny when you here it. In a crowded room, you can tell who are avid football fans when it goes off. I actually prefer the theme from the NBA on NBC.
2006-10-14 10:48:12
130.   JJ42

Sorry, I meant "hear" instead of "here." I don't want to be castigated off DT.

2006-10-14 10:55:27
131.   Andrew Shimmin
127- I went through that a couple of years ago. I investigated further. It wasn't anything I was interested in (I don't care what anybody says, that album is the same song, over and over), but YMMV.

Fighting against the current zeitgeist, I saw Lucky Number Slevin last night. It's excellent. It's sort of like what The Big Lebowski might have been, if it had been directed by Tarantino, while some one was holding a gun to his head, saying, "One pop culture reference and I blow your brains out; just one; try me."

2006-10-14 11:00:23
132.   Greg Brock

Thanks. I just listened to a few songs from Radiohead. Color me unimpressed, and consider the investigation closed.

I highly recommend Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. It became an instant favorite for me, and holds up over many repeat viewings. Maybe Robert Downey's best performance (unless you really like Chaplin).

2006-10-14 11:07:12
133.   Bluebleeder87

IMO, o.k. computer stunk it up i don't like it.

2006-10-14 11:08:07
134.   D4P
Radiohead songs to try out:

High and Dry
Let Down
No Surprises

I'll think you'll like those...

2006-10-14 11:08:55
135.   underdog
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was great, I agree. It was a good year for Robert Downey - he was also super in A Scanner Darkly. A very animated performance (heh); no, seriously, he was really good in that one, too.

I've got Lucky Number Slevin high in my (greencine) queue. Yeah, heard it was good, if poorly titled. But up next is a "Vengeance" double-header: OldBoy and Lady Vengeance. Can't wait!

Oh, and, are there baseball games today? I am amazed at how little I care all of a sudden. I'm sure I'll wake back up for the world series.

2006-10-14 11:09:17
136.   Andrew Shimmin
132- I wanted to see that very much when it came out, but never got around to it. If you're right about it, that means Shannyn Sossamon has finally been in a good movie, which is an intriguing proposition. Well, I know what I'm doing tonight.

Mentioning Downey reminds me of Hugo Pool, which makes me happy. It may not be worth a discrete rental fee, but if your Netflix queue is getting short, it's a nice way to spend an hour and a half.

2006-10-14 11:09:58
137.   Bluebleeder87
132 what tunes do you recomend from that band?
2006-10-14 11:10:34
138.   underdog
OK Computer stunk?!? Whoa... them's fighting words. ;-)

Did anyone hear Easy Star All-Stars (the musical collective behind 2003's underground hit, DUB SIDE OF THE MOON) reggae interpretation of OK Computer? Radiodread I think it was called. Pretty darned cool.

2006-10-14 11:11:25
139.   Greg Brock
Okay, second chance based on D4P. This is a big vote of confidence, considering you don't watch The Office.

I listened to Talk Show Host, Fake Plastic Trees, Inside My Head, and Paranoid Android.

I couldn't get through a minute of any of them.

2006-10-14 11:16:00
140.   D4P
I'm no Radiohead expert, but my impressions of them are that they have shown the ability (kind of like REM) to produce music that is very popular and catchy, but prefer instead to experiment and push the envelope (perhaps to please themselves...?) rather than catering to the masses.
2006-10-14 11:16:48
141.   Bluebleeder87

i was not impressed with that album.

2006-10-14 11:17:56
142.   underdog
140 Exactly right. They've produced a few singles that are fairly radio-friendly but for the most part, especially over the last few years, have become more experimental and, in my opinion, interesting. Definitely not for all tates, or at least not every track is. But I sure think they're great.
2006-10-14 11:22:41
143.   Bluebleeder87
i think The Clash did a better job then "radiohead".JMO.
2006-10-14 11:24:22
144.   D4P
i think The Clash did a better job

Of what, rocking the casbah...?

2006-10-14 11:27:15
145.   Bluebleeder87
they inovated (?)
2006-10-14 11:33:38
146.   Woody
I love my "Kirk Gibson - 1988 WS homer" ringtone. I can here it anywhere in the house.
2006-10-14 11:42:24
147.   Marty
Rock the Casbah was the death knell of the Clash. Give "Give em Enough Rope" a listen.
2006-10-14 11:57:55
148.   Icaros

I saw Easy Star All-Stars perform "Dark Side of the Moon" live a couple years ago, and their new "Radiodread" album is awesome, but then I think "OK Computer" really is one of the best albums to come out in my lifetime, right there with My Morning Jacket's "At Dawn."

I'm still trying to find the DT commenter who turned me onto Muse by posting the video for "Knights of Cydonia." That band is great. My favorite song of theirs is "Time is Running Out."

2006-10-14 12:40:11
149.   Bluebleeder87

Muse is a good band.

2006-10-14 12:42:40
150.   xaphor
131. If you cannot get through Paranoid Android Radiohead is not for you.

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang has a gigantic plot hole that I was so hopping would be filled up with a clever ending. It never was and the movie left me entirely unsatisfied.

135. Old Boy is a great flick.

145. The Clash's biggest 'innovations' consist of extending punk's short life and stopping it from becoming a neo-nazi subculture. I love The Clash, but hardly point to them as changing the music sound scape.

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2006-10-14 12:59:26
151.   Icaros

I would've thought every fan of Muse was also a Radiohead fan, but then you don't like "OK Computer." Funny how our tastes differ.

I don't really care for a lot of the Radiohead songs that are computer effects and weird voice sounds without any real singing, or a lot of their older, noisier, garage rock sounding stuff, but they had a great middle period.

The live version of "Like Spinning Plates" is so amazing I don't see how anyone couldn't like it.

2006-10-14 13:03:00
152.   Frip
128 I'm not saying that the theme music to baseball should be Brahms, but more like the music that accompanies golf.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the syth produced rock riffs that go along with tv baseball? It seems so.

As for the Radiohead discussion. They're not really for baseball fans. Stick with your John Fogerty.

2006-10-14 13:06:10
153.   trainwreck
Park's vegeance trilogy is so good. I love those films.

I think Shannyn Sossamon is beautiful.

2006-10-14 13:13:09
154.   xaphor
151. You will probably really like their new album whenever it is released. A lot of the new songs they premiered on their latest tour were hauntingly beautiful songs that reminded me of the live "Like Spinning Plates". Checkout the tunes "All I Need" and "Videotape" especially. And if you haven't heard it, find an early live performance of "Motion Picture Soundtrack" before it was recorded for Kid A.
2006-10-14 13:22:10
155.   Icaros

Sounds good. Thanks.

2006-10-14 13:33:27
156.   Andrew Shimmin
I think Shannyn Sossamon is beautiful.

The only thing wrong with her is that her movies are bad. So, it's embarrassing. An actual conversation I once had:

-Hey, what are you watching?
-Uh, I think it's called, uh, A Knight's Tale.

2006-10-14 13:38:06
157.   das411
Paging Bluebleeder87, Bluebleeder87, your presence is required at Catfish Stew. Lou Pinella's obvious meter requires some fine-tuning!
2006-10-14 13:38:54
158.   xaphor
156. Oh, how the edgy have fallen from grace. Next you'll tell us you crochet pillows while watching the ball game. :)
2006-10-14 13:40:49
159.   trainwreck
I find the Rules of Attraction an entertaining and funny movie.
2006-10-14 13:43:21
160.   Andrew Shimmin
159- It's an illusion. I was fooled the first time, too. Watch it again, though: there's nothing there.
2006-10-14 13:44:16
161.   overkill94
Ahhh, modern music talk, something I can enjoy.

Radiohead - pretty good band, not one of my favorites. I recommend "Paranoid Android", "Street Spirit (Fade Out)", "No Surprises", and "2+2=5"

Muse - finally bought their two latest albums, haven't given them proper listening to give a good review. I recommend "Falling Away With You", "Knights of Cydonia", "Starlight", and "Time Is Running Out"

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang - excellent movie filled with smart dialogue, great performances, and lots of humor.

Lucky Number Slevin - I thought it was pretty average. Seemed like it was trying to be Tarantinoesque but fell short. Decent way to spend a couple hours, but nothing I'd recommend highly.

2006-10-14 13:44:58
162.   xaphor
156. She was in Mr. Show with Bob and David. That's enough street cred for me.
2006-10-14 13:45:09
163.   overkill94
Has anyone mentioned this yet?

Looks like Psycho went a little too far although those comments don't sound all that bad to me.

2006-10-14 13:46:00
164.   D4P
I heard a rumor that Radiohead is Torii Hunter's favorite band
2006-10-14 13:48:44
165.   Greg Brock
164 If anybody would know, it would be you.
2006-10-14 13:51:22
166.   Greg Brock
163 I found Psycho's remarks to be pretty tame, however:

A) I am not Hispanic
B) Whatever it takes to get rid of Lyons is fine by me.

2006-10-14 13:52:27
167.   xaphor
163. Lyons comment about Piniella "I don't understand him, and I don't want to sit too close to him now" is way out of line.

I assume this will mean the Dodgers will have new broadcaster for next year as well.

2006-10-14 13:53:02
168.   Andrew Shimmin
162- Sarah Silverman was in that, too, wasn't she? Never saw the show. I see it on, here and there, now, but I really can't let any more television in to my life. Maybe after I finally quit watching Law and Order (the original one; I've gotten away with ignoring the clones) and ER, a spot'll open up.
2006-10-14 13:55:52
169.   trainwreck
I wondered why he was not on.

Shannyn is in a American remake of Takashi Miike's most mainstream film, One Missed Call.

2006-10-14 13:56:05
170.   Frip
Greg, what do you not like about Steve Lyons. I don't like his lame attempts at humor, and his jocky sarcasm that he seems to take for wit.
2006-10-14 13:57:08
171.   trainwreck
She was and so was Jack Black. Such a great job. Dalai Lama and the Wicked Scepter sketches are probably my favorites. I saw their live tour a few years ago.
2006-10-14 13:58:47
172.   trainwreck
Such a great show, I meant.
2006-10-14 13:59:36
173.   trainwreck
I guess it is not that surprising he makes a joke about hispanics and then Jose Mota replaces him.
2006-10-14 14:00:30
174.   Greg Brock
He's not smart, he's not funny, he's another cliche-filled ex-ballplayer, he brings no insight to the games (unlike, say, Orel Hershiser, who does a great job), he states the obvious, he waits for his turn to speak (instead of playing off his broadcast partners).

So, basically, he's slightly worse than every other former ballplayer now in the booth.

2006-10-14 14:01:31
175.   Megaballs
Fox oughta let it go.

Lyons was trying to riff sarcastically on Pinella's more offensive comment about Scutaro production is like finding a wallet.
Think about it. Does baseball condone finding a wallet and plundering it? That's why Lyons said he could have been the guy without the wallet and not being comfortable...ah, forget.

Fire the white guy.

2006-10-14 14:03:02
176.   Frip
Greg, you would have to admit that he brings more "insight" than Scully.

Perhaps that's not a fair comparison. No, indeed it is not.

2006-10-14 14:04:39
177.   Andrew Shimmin
Piniella isn't hispanic, right? Maybe that's a dumb question, but I've just always assumed he was Italian. Piniella is the one Lyons was calling a (bilingual) pickpocket. How was it a joke about hispanics?
2006-10-14 14:06:14
178.   Greg Brock
176 Vin is a play by play man. Lyons is a "color guy" (apparently not, as it were).

Vin's job is to describe the play, and spin the amusing yarn in between pitches. Lyons's job is to give some sort of deeper analysis, which he does not.

Plus, you just kind of dissed Vin Scully. For shame.

2006-10-14 14:07:15
179.   KG16
Lyons bugged me beyond believe. Here's hoping they let Charlie Stiener fly solo.

I doubt that will happen, so now one must wonder if this means a move to the booth for FMLMKK...

2006-10-14 14:09:02
180.   Vishal
radiohead is excellent but wildly overrated by music snobs. OK computer is pretty seminal, and the bends is also quite good. i didn't like kid A at all however, unlike most of my friends, and amnesiac was just ok. the acclaim obviously got to their heads. i haven't heard the latest.

i stood next to shannyn sossamon at all tomorrow's parties in long beach once.

i think it was scott long who touted the knights of cydonia video? i could be wrong though.

also, watch the carrot top commentary track on the rules of attraction dvd. it's the only thing he's ever done that could possibly come close to redeeming his existence.

2006-10-14 14:09:12
181.   Frip
Seems to me Scully takes himself to be both the play-by-play and the color guy. Quite an ambition for an otherwise humble soul.
2006-10-14 14:09:20
182.   regfairfield
I think if he wouldn't have added "I don't understand him, and I don't want to sit too close to him now", he could have played the whole wallet thing off as another one of his "I stunk when I played" jokes.
2006-10-14 14:11:25
183.   Andrew Shimmin
also, watch the carrot top commentary track on the rules of attraction dvd.

Is this like a test to see how many of us are stoned at two in the afternoon? How on earth did Carrot Top get a commentary track on that DVD?

2006-10-14 14:11:27
184.   overkill94
181 Whatever he's doing, it works. You know, since he's the best baseball announcer around and all.
2006-10-14 14:12:05
185.   KG16
180 - short of single-handedly saving the world from an alien invasion, there is nothing Carrottop could ever do to redeem his existence
2006-10-14 14:14:08
186.   trainwreck
Carrot Top what the...

Anyone else ordering the UFC tonight?

2006-10-14 14:15:30
187.   Vishal
[183] i dunno, but after watching it, i would be willing to bet money that carrot top is stoned at two in the afternoon on a daily basis.
2006-10-14 14:16:01
188.   regfairfield
I was just taking a look at A-Rod's contract and noticed that he can actually opt out for the next three years.

In case, you know, he wasn't being paid enough.

2006-10-14 14:16:21
189.   Vishal
[185] that's why i said "possibly come close" ;)
2006-10-14 14:17:15
190.   Frip
184I would lay down my life for Scully, but does his constant nasal patter not border on the monotonous? At least if you're in the wrong audial mood?
2006-10-14 14:18:20
191.   KG16
188 - so, then what you are saying is that we may not need to trade Penny/Kou/et al to get A-Rod?
2006-10-14 14:21:45
192.   trainwreck
Happy 96th birthday to John Wooden btw.
2006-10-14 14:22:53
193.   Greg Brock
181 I'm just about the biggest iconoclast/contrarian I know, and even Vin Scully is out of bounds to me.

Jonas Salk, FDR, and Mother Theresa, on the other hand, are all fair game.

2006-10-14 14:23:26
194.   regfairfield
191 I think he can suck it up if it means keeping his 135 million dollars. It would be interesting to see what would happen if he did opt out.

And I did misread it, he can't opt out until after this year.

He also gets free webhosting from the Yankees.

2006-10-14 14:31:27
195.   overkill94
190 The only thing that ever bothers me about Scully is when he repeats the same story too many times. I can't even remember how many times he told the Marquis Grissom being named after a car thing. That's probably bound to happen when you watch the same team every day though.
2006-10-14 14:43:27
196.   Vishal
what did jonas salk ever do that merits talking smack about?
2006-10-14 14:47:03
197.   overkill94
who IS jonas salk?
2006-10-14 14:47:58
198.   trainwreck
Created Polio vaccine.
2006-10-14 14:52:23
199.   Frip
Listening to Charlie Steiner is like a lullaby. So smooth and easy. Note perfect in delivery as well as commentary.

Sometimes you can almost decipher Charlie's thoughts on Lyons, "You're a pr*ck, not funny, and a dork...but I sort of like ya anyway." They do have pretty good banter most of the time I must say. And I don't think Lyons is wholly without "insight".

I think the network PC thing goes too far. But Lyons isn't the kind of guy to engender sympathy. Most people instinctually have a thing against uncouth, sarcastic jocks. (Unless they're actually funny, sadly Lyon's is the anti-Christ of funny.)

I hope Rick Monday takes over for Lyons. He and Charlie make a nice pair. Although today's networks may want to have a "youthful edge" vibe.

2006-10-14 14:54:17
200.   Greg Brock
Other than disregarding the contributions of his entire medical team, taking all the credit for the Polio vaccine, and downplaying the myriad cancers that may have been caused by the first Polio vaccine, Salk is great.

See, contrarians can find fault with anybody. Don't even get me started on Mother Theresa.

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2006-10-14 14:57:23
201.   trainwreck
Penn and Tellers show (which I can't say the title of) had an episode where they revealed some of Mother Theresa's faults.
2006-10-14 14:58:11
202.   Andrew Shimmin
199- Was Jesus funny? I bet the anti-Christ will be much funnier than Jesus. Just a hunch.
2006-10-14 14:59:52
203.   trainwreck
Oregon recovers an onside kick while leading 6-27. Sigh.
2006-10-14 15:00:42
204.   D4P
You historians think you know a lot about famous historical figures and what happened in the past...
2006-10-14 15:06:14
205.   Greg Brock
204 It's like my students always say. "Just tell me if (insert name) is a good guy or a bad guy." It's one or the other. Saint or monster. No in-between.
2006-10-14 15:06:39
206.   Megaballs
175. Megaballs

"Lyons was trying to riff sarcastically on Pinella's more offensive comment about Scutaro production is like finding a wallet.
Think about it. Does baseball condone finding a wallet and plundering it? That's why Lyons said he could have been the guy without the wallet and not being comfortable...ah, forget.

Fire the white guy"

I've been waiting an hour for someone on DT to tell me how I'm wrong...Am I the only one who thinks found wallets are to be returned intact and not plundered? This is what Lyons was alluding to, not being comfortable sitting next to a guy that finds a wallet and considers it Scutaro production or found money. Pinella's a cuban from Tampa by the way.
All I can think of is Fox fired the white guy for imply a lack of comfort with a Latino regardless of what that minority said?
Jeez, its not like Psycho said Hymietown or whatever...that would really be unforgivable.

2006-10-14 15:07:55
207.   D4P
That's pretty much what the US needs more of these days: black and white thinking
2006-10-14 15:09:49
208.   scareduck
199 - Listening to Charlie Steiner is like a lullaby. So smooth and easy. Note perfect in delivery as well as commentary.


2006-10-14 15:19:25
209.   scareduck
206 - I didn't think what Lyons said was all that bad, but if others think it was, I really don't care if he's fired. I agree with others here that he isn't really all that bright.

208 - to emphasize, Steiner cannot, for whatever reason, correctly pronounce the Spanish surname "Encarnacion"; given that Spanish has a very regular and simple pronunciation, it just floors me that a man who is paid a pretty good piece of change to get these things right butchers it on a daily basis. (Thank God Juan E. is no longer with the team.) If Steiner is like a lullaby, it's one played by a trio of jackhammer, steam calliope, and jet engine.

2006-10-14 15:19:27
210.   Andrew Shimmin
It's a long line drive to DEEP centerfield, she is. . . caught, just shy of the warning track.
2006-10-14 15:22:56
211.   D4P
I typed and then erased virtually the exact same message
2006-10-14 15:24:39
212.   Andrew Shimmin
211- I know. It's called a key stroke logger. Maybe think twice before you go calling The Office names, next time.
2006-10-14 15:25:29
213.   Greg Brock
I thought Andrew was still shunning D4P.
2006-10-14 15:27:24
214.   Andrew Shimmin
213- I'm shunning him the way movie stars fast for causes. Sporadically and with lots of cheating.
2006-10-14 15:28:05
215.   D4P
Maybe think twice before you go calling The Office names, next time

If I think twice, will I come up with twice as many names...?

2006-10-14 15:29:05
216.   Andrew Shimmin
215- Guess what I just typed and deleted. . .
2006-10-14 15:29:09
217.   Greg Brock
You're choosing powerful enemies, my friend.
2006-10-14 15:40:04
218.   D4P
217 (Hmmmm...Greg might be right...)

"So, Andrew, Walmart's great, isn't it? I was thinking of swinging by there this evening and picking up a Big Mac and The Office on DVD"

2006-10-14 15:40:08
219.   trainwreck
Pac-10 officials are so bad!!
2006-10-14 15:40:49
220.   overkill94
Wow, Oregon replay officials just totally blew another review. Something's fishy up in the Pacific northwest.
2006-10-14 15:45:11
221.   Greg Brock
I'm telling you, UCLA isn't going to lose this game because of the zebras, but PAC-10 officiating is just downright embarrassing.

Somebody has to be paying attention to this. Right?

2006-10-14 15:46:31
222.   Bluebleeder87

my name is Arnulfo try saying that name in true spanish. :o)

2006-10-14 15:47:03
223.   trainwreck
Exactly. We had no chance to win anyways, but this is ridiculous.
2006-10-14 15:49:09
224.   Bob Timmermann
Think of me next week when even worse happens next week in the shadow of Touchdown Jesus.
2006-10-14 15:49:15
225.   Greg Brock
223 Do you post at any UCLA sites?
2006-10-14 15:49:16
226.   Bluebleeder87
this is the first time i feel "o.k." with saying my real name.
2006-10-14 15:49:19
227.   Andrew Shimmin
218- When you say swinging by, you mean in a vehicle featuring an internal combustion engine, yes? 'Cause, if not, just skip it.
2006-10-14 15:50:09
228.   Greg Brock
224 Watching this football game makes me want to be in Japan right now.

Not really.

2006-10-14 15:50:12
229.   Frip
Charlie is hands down the best in the business at going spaz. It's not easy, as a grown man, to go spaz without sounding like a dork or a hysterical twit.
2006-10-14 15:51:11
230.   trainwreck
Bruinsnation and I have posted only a couple times at BRO.
2006-10-14 15:51:26
231.   Bob Timmermann

Nope, I am not that brave.

2006-10-14 15:51:44
232.   trainwreck
I want to go to Japan more than anywhere else.
2006-10-14 15:51:54
233.   D4P
I will be sure to utilize a vehicle that maximizes surface area and minimizes fuel efficiency
2006-10-14 15:52:35
234.   Bob Timmermann
You can't find a place in Japan.

It's full.

Sort of like Tuscany.

2006-10-14 15:53:30
235.   Andrew Shimmin
233- What do you use for ballast, to further diminish your fuel economy? I like stuffed endangered animals; they're a conversation starter.
2006-10-14 15:53:31
236.   Greg Brock
This is some hilarious coaching going on by Karl Dorrell.
2006-10-14 15:54:00
237.   Bob Timmermann
I have also discovered that the neighbors of the friends where I'm staying have an unsecured wifi connection.

The ALCS isn't shown live here, but the NLCS is. And my friends have an HDTV.

2006-10-14 15:54:47
238.   Greg Brock
Just take a knee, Karl.
2006-10-14 15:56:16
239.   trainwreck
Dorrell loves to give up.
2006-10-14 15:56:32
240.   overkill94
How much would an HDTV cost in Japan, 20, 30 cents?
2006-10-14 15:57:00
241.   Bob Timmermann

I'm assuming a lot more than that.

2006-10-14 15:57:17
242.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob Timmermann: International War Driver.
2006-10-14 15:57:18
243.   D4P
I'll probably have a pack of sweatshop workers hop in the back. They've always wanted to see what their products actually look like in the store.
2006-10-14 15:59:21
244.   Bluebleeder87

it's a coin toas (?) between egypt & africa for me. spain, italy & england are also on my before i croke list.

2006-10-14 15:59:41
245.   Bob Timmermann
All I did was turn on my computer and it said "Do you want to join the network called 'Apple'?"
2006-10-14 16:00:06
246.   overkill94
I always find it funny when someone writes a gush piece and their subject goes out and puts up a stinker. The latest culprit is Gene Wojciechowski's article saying Garrett Wolfe (from Northern Illinois) is a legitimate Heisman candidate. Of course Wolfe goes out and rushes for 25 yards on 18 carries against Western Michigan. Oops.
2006-10-14 16:01:25
247.   Greg Brock
244 You will find the commute from Egypt to Africa to be quite small.

Almost non-existent, as a matter of fact.

2006-10-14 16:03:22
248.   trainwreck
I am sad the Raiders future # 1 pick (Adrian Peterson) got hurt today.
2006-10-14 16:04:12
249.   Bob Timmermann
Starting the 4th quarter, Stanford has 18 yards of offense against Arizona.
2006-10-14 16:07:16
250.   D4P
Stanford has 18 yards of offense against Arizona

I guess Arizona has a great defense...

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2006-10-14 16:07:28
251.   Bluebleeder87


2006-10-14 16:08:12
252.   Greg Brock
Well, the pocketbook is officially closed on the UCLA alumni dues until Karl Dorrell is gone.

Yup, I'm that guy.

2006-10-14 16:08:50
253.   overkill94
Ken Macha must be the new DT favorite with his current move of bringing in Street with the bases loaded and one the 7th inning!
2006-10-14 16:12:54
254.   Greg Brock
If you're keeping track of the Dorrell era:

UCLA games on the road against winning teams: 8

Victories against winning teams on the road: 0

2006-10-14 16:14:49
255.   overkill94
I hate how juiced up the radar guns are for these postseason games. I really don't think Jason Grilli throws 99 MPH on a regular basis.
2006-10-14 16:16:12
256.   overkill94
Big Skirt just doubled up Milton Badknee, that guy got cold at the wroooong time.
2006-10-14 16:18:07
257.   das411
My favorite post about Grilli ever:

2006-10-14 16:18:51
258.   Bluebleeder87

very true

2006-10-14 16:24:43
259.   Bluebleeder87
the FOX speed gun is juiced.
2006-10-14 16:25:55
260.   atg12

Beane has trained him well...

2006-10-14 16:26:30
261.   trainwreck
Who would you go after as a replacement for Dorrell, Greg?
2006-10-14 16:27:23
262.   twerp
188 191 194 Some of this may have been mentioned, but here are two all-may-not-be-golden items on A-Rod===

1) From "Dodgers Is a Name You Can Trust Again," J.A. Adonde, LA Times, Oct. 9...

"One thing he (Colletti) shouldn't do — and this goes for the Angels as well — is trade for Alex Rodriguez. I don't want to hear that Rodriguez's problems stem from playing in New York and the pressure the fans put on him. His worst weekend of the season was here in Southern California, some 2,800 miles from Yankee Stadium, when he was one for 15 with 10 strikeouts in a series against the Angels.

"My problem is this: Name a team that has been better off for taking on Rodriguez's contract, even a portion of it. The Rangers? They never won the division with him. The Yankees? They never made the World Series with him.

"And in some ways there was less pressure on him in New York; with so many great hitters around him, it wasn't as if he had to produce for them to win. If he's thrust in a situation where he's the only hope, he hasn't shown the mental fortitude to handle that demand."

A part of my reaction to this is that the Rangers had/have a lot more probs than A-Rod plus several others could solve.

And some players thrive in the NY environment. Others don't, for whatever reasons. As far as not doing well vs. the Angels, if a player has put himself in a mental box, just going on the road isn't necessarily going to change anything.

2) Which leads to this, touching on the Sports Illustrated story about A-Rod's probs fitting in with the Yankees and his lack of "clutchiness." I think his comments about other teammates and why he gets criticism are revealing --

2006-10-14 16:33:22
263.   Steve
I keep hearing this really cool rumor.
2006-10-14 16:36:15
264.   Bluebleeder87

what rumor is that Steve?

2006-10-14 16:52:10
265.   Greg Brock
Petrino at Louisville (though I doubt he'd leave).
Leach at Texas Tech
Pat Hill at Fresno St. (Though he better get used to the academics)
Rick Neuheisel (I know, I know)
Norm Chow
Jim Grobe (Wake Forest)
Butch Davis

Just to think of a few.

2006-10-14 16:54:24
266.   Bluebleeder87
my brother in laws must be jumping for joy right now.
2006-10-14 16:54:44
267.   Andrew Shimmin
So, that happened. Tigers win.
2006-10-14 16:56:44
268.   Bluebleeder87
you don't love baseball if you didn't love that finish.
2006-10-14 16:58:24
269.   trainwreck
I want Petrino for the Raiders haha. I would like to go for Chow as well. I want someone with real NFL experience. Wide Reciever coaches do not count.
2006-10-14 16:58:49
270.   Bluebleeder87
i really like Detriot being back on the map
2006-10-14 17:05:55
271.   Greg Brock
Detroit is an old timey baseball town, without being smug or overbearing like Boston, New York, or Chicago.

I'm happy for the citizens of that miserable city.

2006-10-14 17:09:08
272.   D4P
The Pistons have provided Detroit with some positive mojo the last few years as well
2006-10-14 17:14:39
273.   Bluebleeder87
I'm happy for the citizens of that miserable city.

chuckle certified

2006-10-14 17:16:22
274.   Bluebleeder87
Reyes needs a hair person or something.
2006-10-14 17:47:51
275.   Bluebleeder87
anybody but New York!!
2006-10-14 18:06:14
276.   Bluebleeder87
testing 1,2,3

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