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So much for the quiet offseason.
News flash on Inside the Dodgers: J.D. Drew has taken a look at all the money out there in baseball land and decided that he can get more than $33 million for three years, and has opted out of the remainder of his Dodger contract.
Some people will think Drew deluded, though despite all the flack he gets, he was the fifth-most productive right fielder in baseball last year (ranked by Value over Replacement Player), according to Baseball Prospectus. There are plenty of teams out there desperate for offense, and with a new Collective Bargaining Agreement recently sealed between owners and players, there's wide speculation that teams are ripe to spend.
Some may also be offended, though it's just business. Lack of loyalty is a two-way street in baseball.
Though I'm surprised by the move, this was always a possibility. I still don't agree that this makes the Dodgers' contract with him a liability - the team made the deal it needed to make, got a top-flight outfielder for a two-year, $22 million deal, and ends up with $11 million more per year (through 2009) to spend. But spend it the Dodgers must. The top outfielder on the current roster is Andre Ethier.
The happiest man about Drew's decision might be Cubs third baseman Aramis Ramirez. Sure, it's one more hitter to compete with on the market, but it's also one more level of need (desperation?) that the Dodgers now possess.
Drew is free to return to the Dodgers, but it doesn't seem likely that they'll feel like having Drew extract more dollars.
Aramis Ramirez
Carlos Lee
Alfonso Soriano
Barry Zito
Jason Schmidt
Actually Nomar now comes back into the equation if he is willing to switch positions.
I don't want Nomar back. Nomar is 33, his body is breaking down and he's going to demand a 3 year deal. JD Drew was the one guy you could count on to get on base. You could pretty much pencil him for .300/.400/.500. Ned likely won't bring back Drew. I think the Dodgers seriously need to consider trading for Sheffield now because I don't see any other hitters on the market who can replicate Drew's production. We aren't getting Soriano unless Ned wants to spend $17+ million on an average defensive corner outfielder. Carlos Lee is a DH in the making. Drew opting out really complicates the situation because now the Dodgers have even more holes to fill. They now need two big bats and a top of the rotation pitcher. This is going to have a negative impact on our farm system.
actually in this market
he prob will
well now the dodgers can save that 10 mill a yr and put it towards zito and ramirez
and play kemp in rf
Unfortunately, Drew also apparently thought he was too much of a bargain.
Rats.
Any thoughts to having Nomar and Loney, one in right and one at first?
But on the other hand, the possibility of watching him fight in the dugout with Jeff Kent might be worth it, especially for the Dodger Blues guy.
All I can say is: Not Juan Pierre in CF.
Sign Zito, Soriano and Gary M. Jr. Trade Repko for some bullpen help and let Ethier and Kemp fight for Right field supremecy.
And shoot, we brought back Odalis Perez as a free agent immediately after his contract ran out.
If Colletti really doesn't want him back, then I think Colletti is nuts. I can't believe that he'd let Drew go out of spite, just because Drew was a DePodesta signing. That'd smack of way too much insecurity (especially after a year on the job and all the kudos for the playoff appearance).
There's no way Colletti's doing better in the FA market for OFers, (please, no Luis Gonzales), and I even doubt that the $11M (or a little more) could be better spent at another position than on Drew. If I had to choose straight up between Drew and Schmidt/Zito, I'd take the guy who plays every day. Yes, the team seems to NEED pitching more than hitting, but really, all it needs to do is outscore the opposition, whether it's 7-6 or 2-1.
The Red Sox, Mets, Rangers, Tigers, Orioles, Angels, Mariners, Astros and Padres are among the teams that figure to be interested.
this "christian boy" is all about the money & i swear if the Dodgers get him back i'll be the first to bombered them with negetivie posts!!
sorry Jon i didn't mean any disrespect
I liked JD as a #2 or #3 hitter - putting a big banger (I want Ramirez) between him and Kent would have us pretty well set offensively.
Please Ned, let's replace him (or re-sign him) through free agency. Has Soriano said he wants to go back to the infield, or did he end up liking the outfield okay?
Until this, I thought Ramirez and Zito (Schmidt's too old) would be enough. Now we need those two and Soriano.
Plus, I can't for the life of me fathom your disdain for Drew. No, he's not ebullient or overtly intense, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work his butt off. And you've always declared yourself a fan of great defense, andt Drew is the best defensive outfielder I can remember in Dodger Blue for years and years (Bradley was good too). That he seems effortless shouldn't be held against him. In fact, wasn't that one of the things you liked about Izturis - that he just seemed so smooth and effortless in his efficiency? Neither guy is "Web gem" machine, precisely because they don't have to make spectacular plays to compensate for bad jumps or routes. Drew was also everything Izturis wasn't on offense. OBP-riffic, great baserunner, line drives...
Feh. I hope he comes back, and especially that Colletti tries to make that happen.
Maybe JD Drew and his wife decided that Pasadena was no place to raise a child. They were upset that on New Year's Day, it was hard to find a place to park on Colorado Blvd.
Now that I'm over the initial surprise, a few thoughts:
1. This certainly frees up a good chunk of change for '07, doesn't it? Of course, it'll take a bigger chunk of change to sign a decent FA.
2. I agree with the take that DePo's gamble worked out well.
3. BB87, it speaks poorly of your character to crack on Drew's faith.
4. Given that Drew is a Boras client, as is Gagne, I can see a small upside in case we want either back - there's no fear of the unknown when dealing with Boras. Some teams go out of their way to avoid Boras clients, especially during the draft, because Boras is who he is. The Dodgers know what they're getting.
5. Boy, the team's power problems are even more pronounced now.
Sori's career rate2:
2B: 94
OF: 107
Ethier: 95
Kent: 100
Sori's Career Zone Rating:
2B: .806
OF: .876
Ethier: .872
Kent: .824
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-dodgers-drew
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"He led the club in RBI. You just don't snap your fingers and find another player like that," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said on a conference call. "He wants out, he can have out. He's moving on, we're moving on. We'll find players who like playing here. If he doesn't want to be here, he has the right to leave, and he's exercising that right."
While Colletti refused to say he was angry, his feelings came through during a 30-minute conference call.
"I hang onto my feelings," Colletti said. "You try to use some diplomacy right now."
"The last time I spoke with him, we had a nice conversation," Colletti said. "I don't really need to (speak to Drew) at this point."
But the GM also said: "I know J.D. is a spiritual guy and a man of his word. I guess he changed his word. You learn never to be surprised when you're dealing in this arena. People change their minds. People change their word. They move on."
Wasn't "Bring Me the Head of Alfonso Soriano" a movie with Marlon Brando in it?
C'mon, Ned, don't be naive. Drew's contract was his word, and he lived up to it just fine.
"It opens up payroll, certainly, for the next three years," he said. "It doesn't change the options out there. There's only one more player out there, one we're not going to pursue. It does change how much money we have."
Is he talking about Barry Bonds?
I took it to mean he was speaking about Drew himself.
That being said, we have to move on, and I don't think renegociating with Drew for what would have to be more money is the answer, but we do have a few holes to fill in the outfield. I'm not impressed with anyone on the FA market in particular, and our farm isn't quite where it needs to be for supplying an immediate replacement, although Kemp for a whole year intrigues me. I'd explore some trade options if I were Ned. Once promising prospect and now disgruntled player Ryan Church might be had pretty cheap. Another option might be Crawford, albeit more expensive than Church, would most likely be a top run producer on this team.
Cleveland could be a possibility too, as apparently they were in the running for Sheffield before dealing for Kouzmanoff for Barfield.
This is a business - period.
And it always has been.
55 ...Kenny Lofton...
It's not pretty, but it's just how it goes.
most people think I'm crazy, but it wouldn't shock me in the least bit if Colletti at least put effort into landing Bonds.
Can you guys imagine what would happen if Bonds was a Dodger? I think my head might explode simply because we'd be in the twilight zone.
Naw, he hasn't been the same since Footloose. ;)
Minimal options on the FA market. Does LA go after Andruw Jones or Vernon Wells now?
"I don't plan on (using) it," he said Tuesday. "I've enjoyed my time living in Los Angeles. That's what it was there for to make sure (wife) Sheigh and I didn't come all the way across the country (from their native Georgia) and get stuck in a situation we didn't like."
"You know what I don't think so," said Drew, who also has a limited no trade clause. "Ultimately it's my decision, and we're happy where we're at. We love our house in Pasadena. My wife is happy. She's made a lot of friends in our neighborhood and with the other players' wives. That's really the thing that was nerve-wracking about it (free agency) for me.
"At some point, you make those commitments and you stick to them."
Colletti has a legitimate reason for being upset. Drew had the right to opt out. The problem is, he didn't tell the Dodgers that he was going to this do far enough in advance where they would have more time plan on looking for alternatives. Drew/Boras come out look like jerks here much the same way Carlos Boozer did a few years ago when he reneged on his verbal agreement with the Cleveland Cavilers. Boras/Drew didn't break any rules, but they do come away looking like people you wouldn't want to deal with in the future. It's a shame that Boras is such a prominent agent. I guess he didn't take business ethics in college. This honestly shows me that Boras/Drew care about nothing besides money. I don't expect loyalty in baseball, but I still think it's wrong what Boras/Drew did.
If the Orioles offer him enough money, I'd expect to see him playing in Baltimore next season. Drew's character has been questioned many times.
That will be the last time JD Drew and Carlos Boozer are ever compared at the same time.
42 - Thanks. If Soriano would be happy in the outfield, we should consider him.
Ethier, Kemp (CF), Soriano, Werth, Anderson in the OF.
WHY ISN"T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT CARLOS LEE?
We need this guy bad.
His OBP is probably also a function of that. Given the Giants are losing Schmidt, the Dbacks probably aren't gonna have anyone impressive besides Webb in the rotation, and the Rockies may not hold up, I'd expect about a .280/.343/.550 with 40 HR out of Sori in LA (compare to .277/.351/.560 with 46 HR in DC).
But Lee will want mad money. If he'd take what LA was to pay Drew - $33MM over three years - then sure.
Which is to say, maybe everyone will think he's going to break again, and 20 homers isn't impressive enough - it may be a ceiling after the wrist injury.
well, unless we get a glimpse of JD's overwhelming chest hair in the near future
are you concerned replacing his made of glass body!!????
I'll tell you who had better get indignant. The McCourts. I seem to recall them going back on their word around this time last year - and that wasn't the only time they weren't above board.
games played last 3 yrs
145, 72, 146.
not exactly a glass body. also, please see rule 6.
i also have a feeling we get soriano and stick him in right field. probably at around $12-14 per.
furcal, soriano, nomar/loney (nomar switching in and out with loney betemit at first and third, loney switching with nomar and kemp), kent, ethier, kemp, betemit, martin isn't a terrible lineup.
add zito to the rotation, and a good bullpen arm and i'm happy.
60 Colletti apparently has closed the door on Drew, and he's justified doing it. But he hasn't closed it on Gagne...has he? The Dodgers walked away from a $12Mil option but hope to bring him back for much less, I understand? Or have they indicated they don't want him at all?
At least folks who didn't like Drew won't have him to kick around anymore. (Seems like some former president said something like that once)...
i like the sound of that plan, but i expect zito to command huge money, maybe more than we're willing to spend.
2004: 128
2005: 141
2006: 132
I would make a run at soriano as well. have a 4 outfield rotation of kemp, soriano, ethier and alou will be productive.
i am pretty made at Drew All that talk was just a bunch of BS.
It's Sedona red.
It's Sonoran gold.
Sheesh, everybody knows those colors! They're part of my Crayola box of 2056 colors!
on the other hand, i never had a crayola box bigger than 64.
Colletti cant let his emotions cloud his judgement on this situation.
If you're willing to sell the farm and kill the fatted calf, there's always going for Andruw Jones. Asking price probably starts at Broxton, Kuo, and Kemp.
losing drew changes alot of things.
http://www.redstonetours.com/images/sedona.jpg
For a good CF, that's more than OK.
it is "more than okay," but at what price? that's the rub.
that surprises me, considering he's from pleasonton. geographically, i'd expect him to be an A's or Gigantes guy.
i'm sorry, i'll try & let it go if anything this could be a good thing for the Dodgers.
it's nothing personal, pal. i just get all the screaming talking head stuff i can handle from my tv.
GSfRB has it exactly right - Drew's "word" was his contract. He might have changed his mind, but he didn't break his word. What he said in an interview was meaningless.
Moreover, this says nothing at all about Drew's love for the game, blah blah blah. He'll just love playing the game in a different city. If you think being willing to play for a different team is a sign of low character, then you're confusing loyalty to team (and why should he have any?) with loyalty/dedication to craft/game. Free agency should have killed that delusion decades ago. Pre-FA players weren't loyal - they were indentured servants.
BA/SLG/OPS
Church in 196 AB, .276, .526, 892 with 10HR
Drew in 494 AB, .283, .498, .891 with 20HR
If I remember correctly, Church is not a happy camper and looks comparable to Drew (smaller sample size, but comparable nonetheless).
Go get him Ned...Oh, and he's from Santa Barbara and might actually like playingfor the Dodgers, apparantly one of Ned's criteria.
I'd pass on Lee. He has the body of a 40 year old (think Frank Thomas, not Steve Finley). He's not a tremendous athlete either. His speed is actually a bit above average. Still I don't expect him to stay in the field for the life of a 5 year contract. Definitely a future DH.
Soriano just isn't going to be worth what he's going to be paid. I like his athleticism, which means he should age well, but I don't think he's one of the top 7-8 players in baseball --- that's how he's going to be paid.
Pat Burrell was suggested earlier. He has 2 years left on his contract for around $27 million. He isn't worth the money, but it's a short term deal. The Phillies would like to clear some money/a position for Soriano. Picking up Burrell would fine if he doesn't require top prospects.
Vernon Wells is apparently looking for a Carlos Beltran-like extension. That's why the Blue Jays are looking to deal him. Jim Edmonds' option will almost certainly be picked.
I'm praying that Ned doesn't get snookered into thinking that Gary Matthews Jr. is now an elite player at the ripe age of 32.
Then Ned could work on trading him, right?
you dont feel betrayed one bit by drew? Honestly, i wouldnt be that mad if he didnt, all year, say he loves it here and wont opt out.
thats the thing. if you keep telling people one thing and you do another, its going to rub people the wrong way.
if he accepted, then thats one less hole to fill. Why trade him? Keep him one one year at 11-13mil and wait for next years free agent market of wells and jones.
Drew accepting arbitration because no one else would offer him his massive contract would be the best case scenario for us. as much as i care for the first round pick from drew, i want his production on the big league 2007 dodgers team more.
Actually, he wasn't yet a former (or even current) president at the time.
Manny Ramirez
Jason Bay
Bobby Abreu
with a higher OPS:
Manny Ramirez
Jermaine Dye
Carlos Beltran
Matt Holiday
Vlad Guerrero
Jason Bay
Alfonso Soriano
Grady Sizemore
Vernon Wells
Brad Hawpe
Carlos Lee
Andruw Jones
And this is with Drew having his worse year since 2003. How you could think that he was bad for the team is beyond me.
1) I think, long run, this is great for us. Drew has not even been that great on a per AB basis and, over two years, certainly hasn't done a lot in the way of accumulating...His power drop is worrisome at least and is probably related to the multiple leg injuries he has suffered. I do think it hurts us for next year but, beyond that this is a good thing.
2) Colletti got caught with his pants down and threw a tantrum - what a leader.
3) Though, as I said, I am glad that Drew opted out, I'm worried that we're giving Colletti a lot of money to play with. This year's FAs are weak and few are worth long term contracts. Matsuzaka would have been the best option but that ship has sailed. Soriano is probably the next best bet but he's neither a superstar nor likely to come at an even mildly reasonable price. Lee is one of the most overrated players in baseball, never having posted a .900 OPS. Zito's peripherals have gotten worse ever year for the last three seasons. My guess is that Colletti will break the bank on Zito - we'll see what the contract is before I pass final judgment.
Anyway, it's not such a big deal. I've liked JD, but think he's as easy to over- as to underrate.
but how high will youse all go for Carl Ca-rawford??
That said, don't count on Colletti doing it.
I'll ask you this how many teams has he played for?? & how many teams/& or players REPECT HIM!!?? please reply back.
And, Colletti sounded and acted like a fool.
Three - the same number as Paul Lo Duca.
Before I saw Colletti's quote, I figured, "OK, good for him. Let him check the market, and then make an honest effort to convince him to stay. If he gets offered crazy money, so be it, but you can't deny him the right to look." For Colletti to damn him for wanting to look is absurd. For Colletti to have believed that he would resist the temptation to look, especially as a Boras client, was naive. If Colletti really wanted to deny Drew that right, he could have negotiated a buyout on the option. "We'll trade you $5M to cancel the opt-out." Maybe what Colletti is feeling is not betrayal, but embarrassment. Should be, anyway.
I get tired of meaningless media-speak. Nice when some reality breaks through.
LaRoche (since Ned questions his character)/Betemit, Broxton, any pitching prospect in the farm not named Elbert/Kershaw, and my future first born.
i can see you're point, but if i were a G.M. i'd stay very very far away from his fragile body.
As for the OF, anyone know if Dellucci can play CF anymore? He didn't play there last year, but had played there sporadically for awhile. Team him with Repko and you have a decent CF that's at least somewhat patient. I also like Church. Then add a corner OF who can mash, and we're goo.
With Rowand's injury, one would think that if the Phillies wanted Dellucci to play center, he would have.
Unless they REALLY liked Shane Victorino.
Uh oh, that was Kenny Lofton's number.
well if anything atleast that made me laugh & that's why i love Dodger Thoughts.
Which seems really weird.
I'm just not counting on Kemp to be ready for a full season in the bigs next year. And I'd rather him play fulltime in Vegas, than split time with Lofton or Roberts or whichever little popgun Ned signs to play CF.
I think the Dodgers could land Crawford for Kou + Broxton or something along that line. but would it really be a good idea? they should consider.
i'm glad someone else sees things like i do
I agree. The asking price for pitching keeps going up, so it would take a more than crawford for me to make that deal.
See you in Glendale!
ps i hope Drew doesn't sign for a NL team because i will boo him like i'd boo'ed no other player.
besides, i think wvu beats rutgers anyway.
agreed, their schedule is a veritable who's-who of patsies.
UNC, illinois, ohio, howard, s. florida, navy, pitt, uconn, louisville.
left to play: cincy, syracuse, wvu.
that kind of sounds pretty good.
"He wants out, he can have out," GM Ned Colletti said. "He's moving on, we're moving on. We'll find players who like playing here. If he doesn't want to be here, he has the right to leave, and he's exercising that right." The Dodgers learned Monday that Drew was considering giving up the $33 million he's owed over the next three years, but they still weren't expecting it to happen. "You learn in this business never to be surprised," Colletti said. "I'm surprised how it came down. Everything we had heard, everything that had been written led us to believe the player loved being here."
well i hope you've got a hat that fits my enormous head, because our bullpen would be mighty thin, and they could probably use my patented odalis offspeed spin-ball.
This move will have a huge domino effect on next year's team. We now need to replace one of our best players in a weak free agent market and I'm betting that as mad as Ned is at JD he's ten times as mad at Boras. This will probably lead to no Gagne, no Zito and no other Boras client, at least for 2007.
171 - Welcome to Philadelphia bluebleeder87!
Rocc, are you around? What are your (and everyone else's, of course) thoughts on a straight Billingsley for Crawford deal?
And does anybody know if #25 (or 24 if he wants to go retro) is available for the Dodgers these days?
So long as Broxton is throwing out of the pen, he's tradebait as far as I'm concerned.
If not, play him, see what happens, move on..Be the moveon-er, not the moved-onee
Agreed about his accepting arb being best case.
Nah, they have longoria and maybe even guzman. they really dont need anymore positional prospects.
"After four years in the minor leagues, during which he never made it above Class AA, he retired due to three knee surgeries. The Cubs paid Boras' tuition to attend law school at the McGeorge School of Law, University of the Pacific. He also holds a doctorate in industrial pharmacology, and during his law career, he specialized in medical litigation."
sounds like a smart enough guy, but if i had known the cubs were willing to pay for law school tuition for AA washouts, i would have spent less time on madden 2005 and more time fielding ground balls.
We'll take Burrell if you'll eat half his contract and take Tomko's contract off our hands.
wow, that would be outstanding. while we're at it, we want cheesesteaks for all DTers and a signed allen iverson jersey.
You could make a similar offer up to Toronto for Wells, but you'd have to overpay to keep him away from Houston or Texas next year.
i swear 411 i don't boo former Dodgers i'm just not like that, but this guy just really REALLY! made my heart boile today.
I'm going to watch "The Office" and then I will check in.
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i like the way you think
Dios Mio.
har har har har.
From a strictly business viewpoint, Drew will come out smelling like a rose. I'm betting he signs a contract for somewhere between 50-60 mil, almost double what the remainder of his Dodger contract was worth.
and beyond the strictly business viewpoint, it just plain sucks to be the one who gets dumped as opposed to the one doing the dumping.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/018429.php
do disrispect, but i love people that are honest with them selfs. i like & respect Ned even more now
You think you're feeling bad now. How are you going to feel on opening day '07 when you see JD playing center for the Angels?
Arte would just love to stick it to Frank.
he could be a reliable starter, especially in his firstyear over.
I'd be happy with Nomar, Sori, Schmidt, and Saito. I'd like Gagne and Maddux, but whatever.
Of course, this acutally hurts the Cubs, who are less likely to get Nomar at third like they had as a backup plan, and with the weak market at third base other than Ramirez, pushing the price a little higher.
There is at least one other Stanford alum who posts here, the estimable Professor Zappala.
"There aren't an overabundance of [free-agent] hitters. We'll have to be creative [through trades] or let the kids come from within."
Methinks Ned might be trusting enough of Laroche to let him and Betemit compete for third.
You replied, "Actually, he wasn't yet a former (or even current) president at the time."
Yeah, I know. Lost '62? governor's race, then had pity party. But I thought the reference would be clear without having to be so literal.
It will only be a matter of time before the fans have someone else to kick around. Such is the nature of sports.
I guess that he thinks his injury prone history will be ignored. But, I think he's looking at an incentive laden contract if he expects to sign for 5 yrs.
While getting out of Drew's contract at this point is probably for the best, what Colletti will do to replace him will leave the Dodgers worse off.
ah, okay. the cardinal women basketballers gave my lions a thumpin tonight, apologies to g.w.b..
Geez, Canuck. Unless you really know something to be true, please don't condemn others for not assuming what you assume. You insult everyone's intelligence when you do that.
Until someone proves to me that Drew reneged on a private promise to Colletti (and not, as Colletti seems to indicate with his own statement, just that statement he made to the press), I won't believe that Drew reneged. And, more to the point, I couldn't care less if a player does renege on a non-binding agreement. If you want security, write it into the contract. This goes for Drew, Gagne, Beltre, or (dare I say it) management. I get just as annoyed when players complain about lack of loyalty by the team. It's blather.
I think losing Drew would hurt the team. I think refusing to talk to him, however, is petty and self-destructive.
if i had any brain left in my body, even two brain cells i'd stay away from this "christian boy"
talk about blind thinking there it is.
"Colletti said he hasn't spoken with Drew since Oct. 6 -- after the Dodgers were eliminated by the New York Mets in the first round of the playoffs.
"The last time I spoke with him, we had a nice conversation," Colletti said. "I don't really need to [speak to Drew] at this point."
Which is to say, even if Drew did say he was planning on staying, that was long enough ago that he had plenty of time to change his mind. And apparently Colletti was warned by Boras earlier in the week.
i'm eating the bait & to be honest i can't help it!! :o) i've read you're post before & i like you please don't take it personal.
About the news itself, I'm surprised, but so be it -- for some reason I'm feeling generally optimistic in general, so I'll assume Colletti will use the extra $11 million reasonably well and our kids will step it up a notch. :)
Toronto
Detroit
Cleveland
White Sox
Diamondbacks
Red Sox
Red Sox, Toronto, Cleveland, in that order, is my prediction.
the G.M's for those teams are fools just look @ his past to know what you're getting into, & that's the bottome line
If I may say so, there are a lot of assumptions and aspersions being thrown around with regard to both Colletti and Drew. This is very much a wait-and-see issue; we are short on facts.
And, as a Christian, may I say that calling Drew's faith into question really crosses a line? Colletti came very close to doing it in his comments, and some on this board have been pretty bold with similar accusations. Again, we don't yet know why Drew opted out. We may think we know, but we don't. Not yet.
Be frustrated. Be angry if you're so inclined. But please watch the name-calling and the hostility.
i hope he goes to NY OR Boston.
ps he's a HomeDepo guy by the way!!!.
Sure his shoes are tough to fill, but between free agency and trades we should be okay...and that is without destroying the farm.
We've essentially got enough money to get, say Schmidt and a Soriano type guy. On top of that, some of you brought up the idea of Burrell who would probably come cheap with the Phils possibly chipping in on his salary.
Nate, I really like your idea of Alou. Wouldn't cost much, nice hitter and it gives a young guy a chance to get 150-200 AB's when he's resting. If you go with Alou in right on the cheap, it keeps the money to be spent on guys such as Schmidt/Zito/Soriano/Lee etc etc.
In the long run, if Kemp, LaRoche, Loney etc. pay off, this is very survivable. But this is a blow to a title shot in '07. Not to say Colletti can't replace Drew, but I don't think it's going be nearly as easy as some are making it sound. This probably reduces the budget available to sign a Schmidt or Aramis, as Colletti now starts from farther behind than he was yesterday and will have to overpay for what he thought he already had.
One other observation, this about a growing pattern with Boras clients.
Day 1: Player makes reassuring comment to press about staying with the Dodgers.
Day 2: Boras pulls a switcheroo.
It might hurt the team, I suppose, but I think a two-year double secret probation in dealing with Boras-controlled players would be salutory. At least his free agents. There's got to be a minimum standard of honor in a business.
Seriously, it's getting old.
On the surface I agree...but if you go with an idea like Nate had (Alou) you still replace a good amount of production for significantly less leaving the rest of the money to be spent elsewhere.
you aint gonna change my mind about him, so please spare me, no disrespect to you're fiath but history about the guy is well known.
And I think the Angels sign Drew.
Also, although it is pure speculation, I have to wonder whether Boras already has a deal in place for Drew. I know FAs are not allowed to negotiate yet but I am not so naive to think some form of communication between player rep. and team rep. doesn't take place. I have to believe someone let Boras know that if Drew opts out we will give him "x".
I bet Kent is furious about this.
Drew's agent, Scott Boras, said the move was a "business decision" and that Drew would like to discuss a new contract with the Dodgers.
heh.
Canuck, you better bring a big pox cause I'm guessing its a big freaking' house.
You've been asked by me and others to tone it down. If you repeat what you've been saying one more time, I'm going to ask you to take a break from Dodger Thoughts for a week.
I'm at the point where I root for all teams to have at least one or two losses, except those from the non-BCS conferences, just to mess with the system.
He's not an LA guy, for sure, but the market was pretty dry during the 2004 offseason. When the chance to not only get out of LA, but get a raise and almost choose his new destination arises? Well, I can't blame him.
Wait, was that out of line?
(I was thinking Koufax.)
sorry
Just a hunch.
Another place I'd hate to see Drew go: San Diego. That's a team that would use Drew optimally b/c of the ballpark. His fading HR numbers don't matter; no one hits homers there. His defense is crucial to their game especially in that big OF. His OBP and situational hitting is the thing they value most.
http://tinyurl.com/y4obog
i love this site!! :o)
(Wait, did I really say that).
Interesting.
i really doubt Drew would end up in SoCal.
phone conversation overhead following today's conference call from the Dodger Stadium GM's office...
"Hello, Moises? This is Ned.
Yeah, Ned Colletti. Sorry to hear about your dad. Yeah, Giants suck. Anyway, Mo, we've had some unexpected changes here and, well, how would you like to play right field for the Dodgers next year?
Uh huh, uh huh...Speak up, Moises, I can hardly hear you. What's all that noise in the back ground?
Unh, you're at a cock fight? Oh, OK.
Was that 'si, I will play ball' or 'see, I told you he'd call'?
You'll think about it? OK, that's great. Well, then have your agent give me a call as soon as possible after the signing period opens. OK, we'll be in touch."
political correctness disclaimer: enjoying and gambling on rooster combat is an acceptable pasttime in some cultures
But seriously, why not throw $6m at Alou for 100 games in right field. Mix that in with Kemp, Ethier, Lofton, Repko, Werth, and Young(?) and you get similar production without sacrificing prospects. Plus you still have $5m to push towards pitching, another bat or deadline moves. Get Nomar back, give Betemit and LaRoche a chance to fight it out and pray to god that Kent doesn't wash any vehicles during the off/season.
Incidentally, Geertz just passed away last week.
Colletti said there was no request for a contract extension and sounded as if he had no desire to retain Drew.
"He moved on and we'll move on," he said. "We'll find a player who wants to stay here. Scott broached [the opt-out] and I said if that's what you decide to do ... I'm finished with it.
"In light of what J.D. said at the end of the year, about making a commitment and how much he loved playing here, I was surprised. J.D.'s a man of his word. I guess he changed his word. I think you expect things to be handled in a certain way. Based on what was written at the end of the season, you have to ask yourself, 'How did this happen?
Also from same story.......
Drew, who turns 31 later this month, is no stranger to surprising and contentious decisions. He was the second player taken in the 1997 First-Year Player Draft by the Phillies, but only after protesting that the draft was unfair and warning all teams it would take $10 million to sign him. He held out the entire season and took Major League Baseball to an arbitration hearing over the legality of the draft, but finally re-entered the draft the following year, when the Cardinals made him the fifth overall pick and gave him a four-year deal worth $7 million guaranteed.
That pic on the homepage is priceless.
I hear Toby Hall and Julio Lugo are available.
1) that .349 OBP is the highest it's been
2) he hit 23 HR playing for the Reds. GABP is a launching pad (Dave Ross hit 21 HR in 247 AB)
3) he's 35
4) he's expensive
5) he has little to offer that Wilson Betemit doesn't
6) Ned Colletti might consider it
I guess he would replace Cameron, right.
Given all the speculation on this, re:260 how do we know that drew or Boras did not contact Coletti?
I hate Boras as much as the next guy (just not as much as BlueBleeder hates me), but (insert blasphemy of desired deity here) another 12-20 million over the next few years would be pretty convincing. And that is Boras' job after all.
That said, I sometimes think the double secret probabition on Boras clients sounds good. I will now lay down my John 3:16 sign. :-)
There that it. Third time is a charm even if it does demonstrate I'm a knucklehead.
"He's my agent. I'm not his player."
This as he implied he might take less to stay in LA. Then I understand he backed off.
Guess we'll find out pretty quick just who is who's what. Or who's who. Or who's on third...and should have stayed there. Or something.
I'm not a fan of being able to ask for whatever you want coming out of the draft, but Drew made his intentions clear, and the the Phillies ignored them.
Please review Jon's rule #4. This has become tiresome. I assume nothing about what did or did not happen between Colletti and Drew. Unless someone has videotape, I give zero credence to one person's (or the other's) report of what happened. Therefore I refuse to accept Colletti's public take as the truth about what happened.
But as I've said too many times, to me, the truth of the Drew-Colletti understanding doesn't matter. Even if Colletti's take is 100% true, it still doesn't make his public reaction to it good business, good leadership, or good sense. By saying what he said (no matter what happened behind closed doors), he weakened the team.
then j d drew
who is left with a 3 syllable name to chant with with Nancy B
i'm not laughing.
Dangit! I knew no one looked at my 269!
I promise. For real. Seriously.
300 - of course there are guys whose names can be chanted:
E-thee-ur
Bet-uh-mitt
Der-ek-Lowe (but Brad Penny doesn't flow right)
Raf-ee-yell
ESPN was on. They were giving us some baseball news. JD Drew appeared on the screen. My first thought was, "Did he hurt himself?" and then, "No, he must have signed on to stay in LA for the rest of his contract."
No, it was, "Drew opts out and becomes free agent." I nearly spit out my beer. Whaaaa---??
Didn't see that one coming.
So while I've never truly loved Drew, I've always felt he was really solid and have defended him here in the past. I think he'll be missed but the bright side is, yeah, the team now has a lot of money to spend elsewhere, and he is more likely to get hurt again then not given his past fragility. But he was certainly healthy this year and very productive, more productive than a lot of people give him credit for. So he'll be missed, and I hope they can find some similar numbers from someone else in the off season.
Boras is the Drew guy for the NFL who handles TO and other head cases. All they do is destroy any team chemistry so they can get an extra couple million for the athletic head cases to spend on fast cars, fast women and dope. When has a client for either one of these sharks done anything for the community or given back unless the cameras are going? They are a blight on society.
And even if it IS about money, before criticizing Drew, prove your convictions by turning down the next raise you're offered.
That's a repeat.
I actually got an e-mail from Bill James asking me what the show was about and if he was mentioned favorably.
Not that I'm name dropping.
in my own little world i'd like to think so.
Same is true of Boras' clients. If the player goes on record saying how much they love the team or want to give a hometown discount (Beltre, Gagne Drew) the team is about to get screwed. Officer Boras has his ticket pad out. The best you can hope for is the player says nothing and the fuzz has nothing to prove.
And Colletti's public response to Drew's actions hurt the Dodgers how? Letting players and agents know that they are expected to adhere to a standard of honor in their dealings with the Dodgers only helps us for the future, and if it takes publicly embarrassing players who screw us to send that message, so be it.
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