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Larry Sherry Passes Away
2006-12-18 16:34
by Jon Weisman

Former Dodger pitcher Larry Sherry, winner of the 1959 World Series most valuable player award, died Sunday of cancer.

I have a whole piece on the 1959 World Series waiting to be written - one of the many things I've tabled. It really was a rags-to-riches tale for the second-year Los Angeles Dodgers, and Sherry was an interesting part. My condolences to his brother Norm, the former Dodger catcher, and the rest of the family.

* * *

Sorry for the abrupt segue. Two things to vote on, pointed out by Inside the Dodgers:

Top Los Angeles Sports Moments of 2006 ("Moment" is loosely defined.)

Best Local Hot Dogs

I voted for the Weiner Factory, though I haven't been there in a few years. Other than Dodger Stadium, I've never enjoyed hot dogs more than I have at the Weiner Factory and Carney's - and the combination of the Weiner Factory's quality and its decor makes it a champ in my book.

Pink's remains for me very overrated. As for Dodger dogs, they can be fantastic at times, but the quality is just too inconsistent these days.

2006-12-18 16:55:52
1.   Greg Brock
Sherry's Career:
799 1/3 Innings
3.67 ERA
102 ERA+
1.402 WHIP
82 Saves
2006-12-18 16:58:12
2.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Sherry in the '59 Series: 2-0, 2 saves, 0.71 ERA in 12.7 IP.
2006-12-18 17:00:22
3.   Bob Timmermann
The Pride of Fairfax High! Well, Norm was too as was Barry Latman.

A respectful tip of the hat to one of the greatest World Series relief performances.

Pete Mikkelsen also passed away on November 29 and that slipped under the radar.

2006-12-18 17:15:10
4.   dzzrtRatt
To see a nice, Vin Scully-narrated overview of the '59, '63, '65, '81 and '88 Series wins, this is a nice package.

The '59 stuff fascinated me the most, because of the players as well as the ballpark.

It seems like whenever the Dodgers win it all, they buck the odds to get there. Have the Dodgers ever shown up at the Series as the clearly best team in baseball, or even the best team in the NL? Have they ever been the strongest team in the NL? I'm talking the LA Dodgers. Maybe '77 or '78. What do you guys think? (I'm looking at you, Timmermann.)

2006-12-18 17:16:50
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - Yeah, that's what my '59 post is going to be based on. In fact, I was even mailed a couple extra copies of the DVD for a DT product giveaway.
2006-12-18 17:19:28
6.   Bob Timmermann
I would say the 1977 and 1978 Dodgers were probably the best teams in the majors those years.
2006-12-18 17:21:44
7.   deacons317
Very sorry to hear about Sherry, and thoughts and prayers go to the family.

Second abrupt segue: Dodger Dogs have been more inconsistent every year I've had them. Ballpark food in Philly, Baltimore, Milwaukee and many other cities is far superior.

2006-12-18 17:22:27
8.   scareduck
The best hot dogs I've had lately are Pettit Jean dogs at the now-defunct Ray Winder Field in Little Rock, Ark., home of the Texas League Travs. Right up there would have to be the kosher Polish dogs from the guy who hangs out in front of the Home Depot on weekends (Hebrew National, I think, the best widely available dog on the market). I like Dodger Dogs also, but as Jon mentioned, quality control has been inconsistent. About the only way to guarantee a good experience of late is either (a) to get a grilled dog, or (b) go to the Stadium Club/get catering at a luxury suite and get one.
2006-12-18 17:37:01
9.   dzzrtRatt
5 Another thing that's cool about this package: The films were produced shortly after each Series took place, so for the '59 chapter, you're hearing Vin as he was in '59, only knowing what he knows as of that moment. Fantastic time capsule.

Having lived next door to Top Dog in Berkeley, and having eaten a few dogs in NYC, it seems ridiculous to have a best hot dog contest in LA. I voted for Dodger Stadium, but the real answer is None of the Above. Most of the eateries on the list are chains! Hot Dog on a Stick? You mean the one at every mall where the girls have to jump up and down to make the lemonade, wearing those horrible striped outfits? I mean, why not let people vote for the hot dogs at 7-11 or Der Weinerschnitzl?

I waited in line once to get a Pink's dog. Before I was finished with it, I was saying, "What is the big deal?" The best hot dogs in LA are the Hebrew National dogs you barbecue yourself.

LA is not a hot dog town.

2006-12-18 17:39:18
10.   trainwreck
Aside from having hot dogs at home, I have only ordered hot dogs twice in my life at restaraunts. Once at Costco and one time when I went to Caspers, which everyone says is great, but mine kinda tasted like plastic.
2006-12-18 17:40:07
11.   D4P
I can't really fathom ordering a hot dog at a restaurant.
2006-12-18 17:41:16
12.   Greg Brock
dzzrtRatt with a scathing indictment of the Los Angeles hot dog scene.

He's right. LA is not a hot dog town.

2006-12-18 17:41:17
13.   trainwreck
Restaraunts/warehouse stores.
2006-12-18 17:43:27
14.   Jon Weisman
9 - Yes, Grey's Papaya in New York might be the best I've ever had. And Nathan's is great - somehow I feel like having Nathan's in a Los Angeles contest is too strange.

"Forget it, Ratt. It's Hotdogtown."

2006-12-18 17:46:01
15.   trainwreck
I felt compelled to try that Carls Jr Philly cheesesteak burger, because I like cheesesteaks. It is good, pretty much just taste cheese.

Now I just wait for my arteries to stop working.

2006-12-18 17:49:19
16.   D4P
This just in:

Stanford hired former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh on Monday to take over its struggling football program.

2006-12-18 17:50:11
17.   Greg Brock
16 That's a really exciting hire for the Trees. He's young, really smart, and built a winner down in San Diego. That's outstanding.
2006-12-18 17:56:03
18.   Vishal
[9] i can't say much about the dogs, but i think the hot dog on a stick uniforms are mad hot.
2006-12-18 18:02:03
19.   Jon Weisman
17 - I hope so. I don't know how many times you pass over Norm Chow without it being lunacy (assuming he'd still be interested after being passed over before).

New post up top.

2006-12-18 18:03:23
20.   Marty
I voted for Jody Maroni. Though I don't like to think they are in CityWalk. But really, they're just hot dogs. How good can they get?
2006-12-18 18:03:58
21.   Sam DC
Jody Maronis? If you can get it at an airport, it's just not that good. I voted Dodger Stadium, but I was voting for the 1995 version since I haven't been much or at all in recent years.

Marty's on Pico (not Marty's house) has a fine hot dog, but we've been around this block before.

I skip one lousy thread just 'cause I'm throwing a party for 50 people at my house and Suffering Bruin shows up and announces he was slotted in to wax on, wax off? Sheesh.

2006-12-18 18:04:44
22.   Sam DC
The funny thing is I wrote 21 before 20 was posted. Sorry Marty, wasn't trying to be so, er, responsive to your comment.
2006-12-18 18:06:52
23.   Jon Weisman
I like Marty's. And I like Marty. But I've never seen Marty at Marty's. But for that matter, I've never seen Marty anywhere.
2006-12-18 18:09:15
24.   FirstMohican
I think I like the nachos more than the Dodger Dogs. I haven't gotten one in a while. Nachos and Red Vines and I'm set.

Pink's is probably my favorite, but I'm by no means a hot dog expert. The wait for Pink's is what makes it not worth it.

18 - Making minimum wage while being humiliated on numerous levels (pounding out lemonade while wearing that uniform) is hot?

2006-12-18 18:09:49
25.   Icaros
I've seen Marty, but not at Marty's, nor Marty's house.
2006-12-18 18:10:42
26.   Sam DC
The wait for Pink's is what makes it not worth it.

See, I think more people would say the wait is exactly what makes it worth it.

And the fact that you might see Pink.

2006-12-18 18:13:01
27.   dzzrtRatt
Best Sushi, Best Burrito, Best Korean BBQ, Best Soul Food, Best Vegetarian Restaurant, Best Tandoori Chicken, even Best Pastrami Sandwich. LA's got all those in sufficient profusion to get a debate going.

But we need to stay away from foods associated with New York or Chicago. In LA, having a "best hot dog" contest is almost like having a "best mint julep" contest.

2006-12-18 18:15:39
28.   Bob Timmermann
I would rather eat bad food served quickly than good food I have to wait a long time for.

I have very high opportunity costs.

2006-12-18 18:16:49
29.   Icaros
In LA, having a "best hot dog" contest is almost like having a "best mint julep" contest.

Blue Bayou, Pirates of the Carribean.

2006-12-18 18:19:59
30.   Vishal
[24] it's not so hot for the wearer, obviously, but i've always found it aesthetically appealing as an observer. particularly when i was a little less removed from adolescence myself.
2006-12-18 18:20:45
31.   Vishal
[28] how much does bob value his time, per hour?
2006-12-18 18:21:12
32.   D4P
I have very high opportunity costs

Gotta get back to those Division AIAIAIA championship games and such

2006-12-18 18:22:35
33.   godvls
I voted for Skooby's......good dog, great chili and awesome fries.

There's still a soft spot in my heart for the Weiner Factory. I spent a lot of time there in the 80's/90's.

Pink's is grossly overrated. There are places in L.A. worth waiting in line for (Manuel's - El Tepeyac comes to mind), but Pink's is not one of them.

2006-12-18 18:23:26
34.   Bob Timmermann
You have me pegged precisely.

And you don't think team LOB records get figured out on their own do you?

2006-12-18 18:28:14
35.   dzzrtRatt
29 So where can you get the best beignets? I say Farmer's Market.
2006-12-18 18:29:01
36.   D4P
And you don't think team LOB records get figured out on their own do you?

There's no end to the amount of scoring that needs to be done at home

2006-12-18 18:32:01
37.   Woody
You all should get, if you haven't already, the Vintage World Series Films by MLB, dvd on the Dodgers which shows more of the '59,'63,'65,'81, & '88 series than most other videos I've seen. For you younger guys, the production values, ads, and even the "Vince" Scully was credited brought back memories from too long ago.

I was 11 during the '59 series and remember it well. The 11-0 Chigago blowout in the first game fortunately didn't set the tone. I best remember Koufax's 1-0 loss in game 5 because it was one of the best games I'd seen him pitch to that point in his career.

Larry Sherry being involved in all 4 of the wins was amazing.

I also never remember the Dodgers going into a World Series as favorites.

Never had a Dodger Dog in LA, but have had them in Vero. Not all that great. I'd go along with whomever mentioned Hebrew National dogs cooked at home.

2006-12-18 18:49:08
38.   Bob Timmermann
For the record, my opportunity costs are anywhere from $50-75/hour.
2006-12-18 19:16:24
39.   Marty
Jon hasn't seen Marty, but he has seen Marty's brother-in-law.
2006-12-18 19:18:47
40.   Marty
The original Jody Maroni's on the Venice boardwalk was very good. You used to be able to get them in Dodger stadium on the field level too. I'm sure they've gone down hill since the franchised-out.
2006-12-18 19:20:08
41.   StolenMonkey86
Sherry also hit 2 for 4 in the '59 series for a .500/.500/.500 line.
2006-12-18 20:40:34
42.   dzzrtRatt
40 I went to Jodi Moroni's thinking maybe someone had tapped the Top Dog formula. They're okay, but Top Dog is still top dog.

If you've never been to Berkeley (or Oakland or San Jose), you're missing one of America's great treats. I bet Alice Waters even sneaks into Top Dog once in awhile.

You can order their various dogs online, but I've never done that. I'm convinced the top dog has to be prepared on their griddle, and that a libertarian must be handling the spatula.

2006-12-18 21:15:11
43.   Disabled List
This thread may be defunct now, but I just want to throw in my 2 cents...

Chicago Dogs of all varieties are incredibly overrated. The only New York dogs worthy of mention are Gray's Papaya and the original Nathan's stand at Coney Island. The Nathan's fast-food franchises are worthless.

LA is a perfectly good hot dog town. Pink's may be the trendy thing, but those are still good dogs. Wiener Factory is a classic, of course. And people have forgotten about Cupid's and Tommy's. In fact, I've seen a "Los Angeles-style" hot dog described as one with mustard, onions, and chili... just like Tommy's makes 'em.

2006-12-18 21:43:55
44.   Midwest Blue
43 I would agree with the Tommy's being an LA style hot dog, but thta'e because I miss Tommy's chili.

I disagree that Chicago dogs are overated. Eating a Vienna Beef at the factory store is heaven.

2006-12-18 22:30:45
45.   Vishal
[43] we should call them "los angeles-class", like submarines.
2006-12-19 07:55:51
46.   Clive Clements
I still think the best hot dog in LA that I've ever had was Rubin's Red Hot, across from the Sherman Oaks Galleria. They went out of business earlier this summer though. Pink's is way overrated and way too expensive. Wiener Factory may have been different before, but their prep is too unsanitary for my tastes. I'm not a fan of barehanded onion scooping. I'm going to try Taste Chicago tonight and I'll let you know what I think.
2006-12-19 08:25:24
47.   Ben P
In L.A., I would vote for Wiener Factory, and I'm also a big fan of Marty's on Pico Blvd. near the Westside Pavillion. I would pick Top Dog in Berkeley as best overall. Gray's Papaya in NYC is good but its best feature is the ridiculously cheap prices. I've had better hot dogs elsewhere.

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