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Roger Cedeno Lives!
2007-01-05 20:33
by Jon Weisman

Can a Raul Mondesi comeback be far behind?

BALTIMORE (AP) - Roger Cedeno agreed to a minor league contract with the Baltimore Orioles after a 1 1/2 -season layoff.

Cedeno has a .273 career average with five teams. He was traded by the New York Mets to St. Louis in April 2004 for Wilson Delgado and released by the Cardinals in June 2005.

If added to the 40-man roster, the 32-year-old outfielder would get a one-year contract that would pay him $500,000 in the major leagues and $100,000 in the minors. He could earn an additional $400,000 in performance bonuses and would get the entire amount if he plays in 120 games and has 550 plate appearances.

I always liked Cedeno - does that make me strange? I guess he was just one of those players where I saw only the good and kept missing the bad.

The most memorable Roger Cedeno play for me was the one in which he fielded an extra-base hit in foul territory at Philly's Veterans Stadium and threw a baserunner out at third base - with the putout registered by a sprawling Mike Piazza.

Except I'm remembering wrong, apparently, according to Retrosheet. I can't find any record of Cedeno making such a play. So who/what was it? Dang it, I'm very frustrated.

By the way, how is it I have no recollection of this game?

Wednesday, July 7, 1993
LAD 000 111 002 000 000 000 01 - 6 17 1
PHI 020 201 000 000 000 000 02 - 7 12 4

What's even stranger is that two days later, I was at this game:

SFG 472 000 002 - 15 23 0
PHI 000 202 211 - 8 13 0

And the next night, I was here.

SDP 010 000 010 - 2 6 0
MON 000 010 002 - 3 7 0

About a month shy of moving back from Washington D.C. to Los Angeles (my most life-changing decision before getting married), I decided to take a driving tour of the Northeast. I remember nearly passing out while reading Portnoy's Complaint on a park bench in Philadelphia in 100-plus-degree heat, before going to the ballpark and seeing the Giants take a 13-0 lead.

Then, instead of spending the night in a motel like I planned, I actually slept in my '85 Scirocco at a very well-lit truck stop on the way to Montreal. I arrived in Canada in the morning, checked into a hotel, napped, then drove to Stade Olympique, where I sat with a wonderfully energetic Montreal crowd to see ... and you don't hear these words too often anymore ... a young Jeff Fassero.

And after that, I was on my way to Maine, where the story gets even more interesting ... but I'm saving that.

Comments (266)
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2007-01-05 21:23:10
1.   Bob Timmermann
Judging by the heat, I think you must have been hallucinating about Roger Cedeno.
2007-01-05 21:46:29
2.   Xeifrank
You went to Maine... low on cash you got a job on a lobster boat only to wind up shipwrecked in Casco Bay where you met up with a young Bob Timmermann who just happened to be in town for a Cat Fancy Convention. The rest is history!
vr, Xei
2007-01-05 21:48:19
3.   Bob Timmermann
I was in Maine in 1992 and I haven't been there since.
2007-01-05 21:52:57
4.   das411
JW, that twenty inning game has reached near-mythic status in Philadelphia! Somebody needs to write a Buster Olney-esque book about just that game, you could fill out several chapters just by looking at the LA relievers used in that one...

...and of course, the first-listed (presumably home plate) umpire's name? Jim Quick.

2007-01-05 21:56:16
5.   Greg Brock
I helped move a barn in Maine once.

It was just as fun as it sounds.

2007-01-05 22:00:53
6.   jtrichey
I also liked Roger Cedeno. I'm not sure what pissed me off more, the Cedeno trade, or the Konerko trade. (probably Konerko)

I also loved Portnoy's Complaint.

2007-01-05 22:01:27
7.   Bob Timmermann
I don't remember the 20-inning game between the Dodgers and Phillies, but it was about a month before my mother passed away, so I forget a lot about that month. I, for one, never knew Rod Nichols pitched for the Dodgers.

I do remember my brother and I going to a game the day after the funeral and Jason Alexander sang the National Anthem, which we thought was nice since my mom was the one in the family who turned us on to watching "Seinfeld."

2007-01-05 22:10:14
8.   Steve
Yeah, Juan Pierre was a bad signing, but it seems extreme to go and write a whole novel about it.
2007-01-05 23:13:44
9.   Berkeley Doug
3 As one who has been to Maine many times (all of my father's family lives in Maine), you are missing out. The area in southern Maine along the coast is very scenic.
2007-01-05 23:20:28
10.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't say I didn't like Maine. I just haven't had a chance to get back.

But I have not attended a Cat Fanciers convention!

2007-01-05 23:30:57
11.   StolenMonkey86
I flew into the Portland, Maine airport and it took them about an hour to get the checked bags from the plane onto the baggage carousel.

The rest of my family enjoyed Maine for a couple of days, but that was my only experience in the state as we then drove down to Vermont.

2007-01-05 23:40:23
12.   Bob Timmermann
Maine did make me want to eat Pepperidge Farms food though.
2007-01-06 04:02:00
13.   Vishal
so what happened to the scirocco?
2007-01-06 05:31:10
14.   old dodger fan
I never cared much about Cedeno but he was packaged with a guy I really liked, Charles Johnson, and sent to the Mets for Todd Hundley and some guy named Arnold Gooch. I always wished we would have kept Johnson though the stats may not bear me out. They probably would not support your liking of Cedeno either but sometimes we like players for reasons the stats don't support. Maybe that's how we got our new CFer.
2007-01-06 05:52:48
15.   CharlieBrown
I wonder how many wins the Dodgers would lose if they ran Roger Cedeno out to CF this year instead of Juan Pierre. Two? Tops? And then they could take the savings of $8 million and build more Dodger Dog stands.
2007-01-06 06:12:44
16.   DodgerfaninNY
Anybody notice JD hasn't signed a contract with the Red Sox yet? Hopefully he'll turn out to be this generation's Jody Reed. The the $33 million he walked away from is probably looking pretty good right now. Ned must be loving it. Maybe Drew could pass the Reds' physical.
2007-01-06 06:15:13
17.   DodgerfaninNY
Anybody notice JD hasn't signed a contract with the Red Sox yet? Hopefully he'll turn out to be this generation's Jody Reed. The the $33 million he walked away from is probably looking pretty good right now. Ned must be loving it. Maybe Drew could pass the Reds' physical.
2007-01-06 07:14:41
18.   Gen3Blue
16 Your news fills me with pleasure.
Unfortunately I feel a bit quilty because Jon did a good job of a fairly rational defense of some of JD's actions.Actually I think I fell a bit guilty rather than quilty.
2007-01-06 07:20:08
19.   D4P
Do you fell a bit guilty or feel a bit quilty...?
2007-01-06 07:37:33
20.   Steve
At least he has the capacity for feeling, unlike some people we know.
2007-01-06 07:54:43
21.   Bumsrap
Beal's Lobster Pier is a must if traveling to Maine and Bar Harbor.

I first heard of Beal's when it was recommended as the "gold standard" of lobster rolls as part of our trip reading of things to do while in Maine.

Beal's is a shed on a concrete pier with picnic tables. In other words, this is a working pier that just happens to have a restaurant. The primitive nature might have made Beals that much more enjoyable.

Directions: Follow 102A to the center of Southwest Harbor. Turn left on Clark Point Road. Bear right slightly at the stop sign and follow the road until it ends at the Coast Guard station.

Lobster rolls are so much better than working through lobster and it doens't come with the green sauce.

Also, stopping at Moodys for pie is another experience that is hard to duplicate in towns that have smog.

2007-01-06 07:58:12
22.   Bumsrap
Juan Gonzales was my Roger Cedeno but his career is less known to those that might have blinked.
2007-01-06 08:01:54
23.   Bob Timmermann
Former MVP Juan Gonzalez?

Or are you thinking of weak hitting Jose Gonzalez, whose exploits were written about by Jon on

2007-01-06 08:28:11
24.   Gen3Blue
DP4 It was obviously time to stop with the corrections.
2007-01-06 08:42:55
25.   Bob Timmermann
The mantle of annoying correcting person has been passed!
2007-01-06 08:52:50
26.   Marty
I've been to Maine once in 1988. Drove up the coast from Boston to Portland. That's a very nice drive. Had lunch in Portland then went back through New Hampshire.
2007-01-06 09:01:56
27.   Marty
I'm going to re-post this from the bottom of the last thread because I like it so much.

Where was Mariano Duncan:

MOBILE, Ala. – Padres pitcher Jake Peavy was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct Thursday at Mobile Regional Airport.

Padres general manager Kevin Towers told The Associated Press he was told that Peavy was headed for a goodwill tour of the Dominican Republic with other major league players when he double-parked to drop off his bags and was told by airport police to move his car.

"The airport police told him he couldn't park his car there and he said, 'Write me up a ticket and I'll pay for it,'" Towers said. "He was arrested."

2007-01-06 09:10:27
28.   Jon Weisman
And the Griddle takes another blow ... :)
2007-01-06 09:28:44
29.   Bob Timmermann
Well, that post got buried under my news of additional Jewish players being signed by the Mets.
2007-01-06 09:32:45
30.   Marty
Peavey seems to have issues. I predict he goes all Jim Lampley on someone in the future.
2007-01-06 09:38:11
31.   Bob Timmermann
Too soon, too soon.
2007-01-06 10:19:49
32.   D4P
DP4 It was obviously time to stop with the corrections

Correction: D4P

2007-01-06 10:26:11
33.   Greg Brock
Oh joy, I get to watch the Army All-American game, chalk full of players who have no interest whatsoever in playing for UCLA.
2007-01-06 10:46:19
34.   Bob Timmermann
And yet you're passing up the International Bowl!
2007-01-06 10:46:57
35.   confucius
7 My Mom turned me on to Seinfeld also. I think I was 11 or 12 at the time so the only thing I really got out of it at that time was Kramer's brand of humor.

When I was a child Maine for me was like Australia for Alexander in "Alexander and the Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Day". I am guessing this was so because when I looked on a map it was the farthest state from CA in the continental US.

2007-01-06 10:50:39
36.   Bob Timmermann
Georgetown is routing Notre Dame in basketball proving that it is indeed true.

God is a Jesuit.

2007-01-06 10:54:53
37.   D4P
Duke beat Georgetown...
2007-01-06 11:01:51
38.   trainwreck
We got one player in it at least.
2007-01-06 11:02:21
39.   trainwreck
VT may beat Duke.
2007-01-06 11:06:55
40.   Bob Timmermann
We oldtimers call it VPI.
2007-01-06 11:11:50
41.   Bob Timmermann
If Oregon beats UCLA today, will our Marty change his handle to Maarty in honor of the Oregon forward
2007-01-06 11:26:45
42.   trainwreck
Duke loses after Paulus gets his three point attempt blocked.
2007-01-06 11:30:12
43.   Steve
The Dodgers may not be able to match the Zito-Matt Cain combination, but they have speed, youth and a bullpen

Bruce Jenkins -- comedian.

2007-01-06 11:31:45
44.   Bob Timmermann
Every team has a bullpen. If they didn't, the pitchers wouldn't have anywhere to warmup.
2007-01-06 11:31:57
45.   Icaros
I didn't get to Montreal until its first summer without the Expos. I still rode to the top of the Olympic Stadium tower, though, and kind of pretended I was there to see a game.
2007-01-06 11:33:48
46.   Sam DC
das -- maybe I wasn't fair to CBP, in the sense that it is certainly a comfortable, nice modern/retro park with good amenities, etc. (although the windtunnel effect in the main concourse can be pretty calamitous). But it just doesn't strike me as very interesting of a ballpark.

RFK, on the other hand, I actually have quite a soft spot for. Awful amenities, no playground, long lines, no cupholders, etc. But the seats are big and comfy, and the sightlines are really quite good. No luxury boxes plus a large overhang of the lowerlevel, plus very steep stairs means that the cheap upper deck is actually quite close to the field and has a great view. And if you climb up to the tippy top, fun views of the capitol.

And the team sucks so every day is loser's dividend day!

2007-01-06 11:35:47
47.   Steve
Our fourth and fifth starters match the Zito-Matt Cain combination.
2007-01-06 11:56:34
48.   Icaros

That's what I was thinking.

2007-01-06 11:56:47
49.   Sam DC reports that the Nats are have made offers to five FA pitchers, including Steve Traschsel, Jorge Sosa, and others.

Rock and roll!

2007-01-06 11:57:46
50.   dzzrtRatt
So young you all are. I turned my Mom onto Seinfeld. I was about 39 at the time, and she was about 67. She liked it, but my father didn't so she seldom got to watch it, then she forgot about it.
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2007-01-06 11:58:33
51.   trainwreck
Come on UCLA! Afflalo and Collison have done nothing.
2007-01-06 11:58:51
52.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock has likely broken all the furniture in his home by now.
2007-01-06 12:00:07
53.   Steve
Our sixth starter equals Barry Zito.
2007-01-06 12:00:45
54.   Steve
Now on the other hand, our seventh and eighth starters don't match up to Steve Trachsel and Jorge Sosa.
2007-01-06 12:01:13
55.   Steve
I'm sorry, in 54 that should have been "starters." My apologies.
2007-01-06 12:07:04
56.   Daniel Zappala
33 I may have been the only one who caught this; it is not "chalk full" but "chock full". D4P must resign.
2007-01-06 12:10:25
57.   Sam DC
Meanwhile, George Mason is up by 12 over Old Dominion U.

That would the game available to me in lieu of UCLA/Oregon, which is being aired in the DC area at 11 pm tonight on tape delay.

What is this, 1974? I sure hope the end of the game doesn't get cut off for a previously scheduled kids movie.

2007-01-06 12:16:34
58.   D4P
D4P must resign

I never fully accepted the mantle...

2007-01-06 12:24:03
59.   trainwreck
The Army All American game sure is close.
2007-01-06 12:26:38
60.   Chuck Henderson
The play by Cedeno that Jon talks about has always been one of my favorites (I think this is the same one), especially since Cedeno was constantly maligned as having no baseball intelligence.

I'm virtually certain the game was Saturday 8/23/97. I posted (in part) the following to a Dodger group that night following the game:

And, Nixon had a part in the big play of the game. In the 8th, with 2 outs and left-hander Cummings coming up, Radinsky relieves Dreifort. Hudler pinch hits and rips one to rf, Mondesi tries simultaneously to cut it off and prepare to make a throw but the ball gets by him (error 1). Nixon fumbles the ball behind him (error 2) and then throws to Young. Young throws wildly to the home-plate side of 3b. Radinsky is not backing up the play (mental error). Error 3 on Young? But no, Cedeno is backing up the play all the way to halfway between 3b and home, saving the third error, the run, and possibly the game.

2007-01-06 12:56:37
61.   confucius
53 I believe Hendrickson would be the eighth starter, not the sixth :)
2007-01-06 13:02:50
62.   Steve
DJ Houlton is our eighth starter. Hendrickson is Vegas' eighth starter.
2007-01-06 13:09:12
63.   Andrew Shimmin
Fire Ben Howland.
2007-01-06 13:09:45
64.   Bob Timmermann
Trainwreck and Greg Brock have each set their homes on fire in anger.
2007-01-06 13:10:07
65.   Greg Brock
Tough game. Oregon played great basketball.
2007-01-06 13:10:35
66.   trainwreck
That was such a terrible last play.

Fitting since we played like garbage.

2007-01-06 13:11:57
67.   D4P
Mac Court can be surprisingly tough on visitors, especially those of a highly-ranked nature. If you've never been there, I recommend it.
2007-01-06 13:12:56
68.   Greg Brock
I don't get mad when we lose basketball games. I know the program is in good hands and will always be among the best in the country.

I only get mad at the fact that our football coach is terrible, and some alumni (ahem) seem to be okay with that.

2007-01-06 13:14:52
69.   Bill Crain
Tough to beat the Ducks on their own court. Apparently only the elite teams in the Pac-10 can manage it.
2007-01-06 13:16:23
70.   Bob Timmermann
I better hide my Karl Dorrell Marching and Chowder Society membership card.

If you get the right level of membership, you're allowed to go on to the field of the Rose Bowl and attempt at 22-yard field goal.

2007-01-06 13:16:26
71.   Greg Brock
I figure we'll lose three games in conference play. This one, at Arizona, and one other game (maybe at the Galen Center). Nobody is getting through Pac-10 play with fewer than three losses.
2007-01-06 13:17:08
72.   trainwreck
Please be 1995 all over again. UCLA lost at Oregon that year too.
2007-01-06 13:20:31
73.   trainwreck
We will be the lead on ESPNews now!
2007-01-06 13:23:38
74.   Greg Brock
70 Do you wear your "Team Lavin" t-shirt when you kick the field goals?
2007-01-06 13:26:47
75.   trainwreck
Steve Lavin was way better than Karl Dorrell. At least he got to the Sweet 16 a lot. He also got real talent even if he had no idea how to use the players. KD cannot even win loser bowl games.
2007-01-06 13:27:48
76.   Greg Brock
75 I was just going to say that.
2007-01-06 13:31:55
77.   Uncle Miltie
Tough loss for UCLA. I thought that UCLA might have some trouble with Oregon's guard oriented lineup, but I still thought they'd prevail in the end. Collison had an off night and Aaron Brooks torched UCLA. Oregon was with Malik Hairston too. I think that Oregon might be a better team than Washington. It's nice to see that the Pac 10 is going to be one of the strongest conferences in the country this year.
2007-01-06 13:33:16
78.   Uncle Miltie
*Oregon was without Malik Hairston too
2007-01-06 13:37:22
79.   trainwreck
There are no teams I feel like cheering for in these NFL playoffs. So I just hope for real good games.
2007-01-06 13:38:25
80.   trainwreck
I think Hairston playing would have hurt Oregon. They just needed to ride Brooks and Taylor.
2007-01-06 14:16:14
81.   trainwreck
Jimmy Clausen had two interceptions in the Army All-American game.

Somewhere Bob is smiling.

2007-01-06 14:22:17
82.   Steve
Zito is, today, the better pitcher, but he replaces Jason Schmidt, who went to the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's a gain of – and this is admittedly unscientific – maybe four or five wins, taking into account the relative offensive strengths and therefore potential run support of the teams they're joining.

Not a good day even for dumb sportswriters.

2007-01-06 14:27:45
83.   Andrew Shimmin
82- Name that tune. I must know who thinks four of five wins from one player is something to scoff at.
2007-01-06 14:28:42
84.   D4P
You'd probably appreciate FJM's latest offering.

2007-01-06 14:31:23
85.   Andrew Shimmin
What percentage of people watching an NFL playoff game would be enticed to watch the Today Show by a spot in which Matt is given a simulated hot flash? Everybody gets on the FCC's case, but I think the real problem is they're not capricious enough in fining stations. That little promo would have been a million dollar mistake, per affiliate, if I were in charge.
2007-01-06 14:32:54
86.   Steve
I mean, how can you write so few sentences and yet be wrong in so many ways? There's an impressive, almost ruthless efficiency in logical butchery going on here.
2007-01-06 14:38:09
87.   D4P
What percentage of people would be enticed to watch an NFL playoff game?
2007-01-06 14:38:17
88.   Steve
By the way, this even surprises me, because while I think he is pretty hacky, I am generally surprised when Tim Brown writes stuff like this. That it stood out at least suggests that he's better than Plaschke, who is at this point the journalistic equivalent of a carny trying to get people into the Bearded Lady tent.
2007-01-06 14:41:11
89.   Bob Timmermann
I would only watch the NFL playoffs if they changed the tiebreaking system to give teams tied for a division title an edge over teams that finished in second or third.
2007-01-06 14:43:53
90.   Jon Weisman
60 - Thanks, Chick. That's the play - although I guess I blended it with one that Bob pointed out to be via e-mail.
2007-01-06 14:46:11
91.   D4P
Surely, you are the Messiah...
2007-01-06 14:51:43
92.   Bob Timmermann
I thought his name was Chuck. I think you are still suffering from the aftereffects of that heat wave in Philadelphia.
2007-01-06 14:52:04
93.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not a Messiah. I just play one on TV.
2007-01-06 14:57:28
94.   Andrew Shimmin
The Brown article. Took me a while to remember he was at Yahoo! now.

2007-01-06 15:00:16
95.   Andrew Shimmin
87- I'm just killing time till 9 a.m. tomorrow (pacific time). Three hours of P.J. O'Rourke on CSPAN2! Set your tivos, now!
2007-01-06 15:01:18
96.   Jon Weisman
92 - I think so too.
2007-01-06 15:02:29
97.   Jon Weisman
-Hi, Lily.

-My name's Susan.

-No, I don't think so.

-I think I'd know my own name.

-I'm not so sure.

2007-01-06 15:06:45
98.   Steve
94 -- You're one of those guys that's big into "context" aren't you.
2007-01-06 15:13:49
99.   Borchard504
Indianapolis and KC are outdoing themselves, on who is going to be the sorriest team. Wait, I beg your pardon, 'it's a defensive battle'.
2007-01-06 15:18:14
100.   Daniel Zappala
94 The link for Chris Young in that article leads to the Chris Young that pitches for the Padres, when it should lead to Chris B. Young, the CF for the Diamondbacks.
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2007-01-06 15:19:21
101.   Daniel Zappala
99 KC is by far playing a worse game, so they're running away with that title. I'm confused as to why they went back to Green when Huard was playing so well.
2007-01-06 15:20:31
102.   Marty
The Chiefs remind me of the Eric Dickerson Rams. Stop Johnson and you stop KC. But the Chiefs don't have a QB nearly as bad as Dieter Brock. Even Rex Grossman is a better QB than Dieter was.
2007-01-06 15:27:35
103.   Borchard504
I think we might see Huard in the fourth qtr. if things do not improve. Of course before that happens, KC needs to get the ball back sometime.
2007-01-06 15:28:42
104.   Michael Green
Sorry to go all the way back, but I had to add something about the 20-inning game in Philly.

Four days before, Don Drysdale had died in Montreal. Rick Monday was going to join the team in New York on Friday (a dark day, I guess), so it was just Vin and Ross in Philadelphia. Back then, whoever did the game on radio with Vin did the 3rd and 7th so, after the 7th, Ross went down for the post-game interview. And stayed down there. Finally, I think it was as they went to the 18th that Vin came back from the commercial and said something like, "I've tried and I've tried, but I can't make something happen. So, it's time for Ross to try." Ross did two innings and then said, "The left-hander is warmed up in the bullpen." Vin came back and did the 20th, when it ended.

2007-01-06 15:30:27
105.   Daniel Zappala
The Rams also had Vince Ferragamo, Jeff Kemp, and Jim Everett.
2007-01-06 15:35:30
106.   Daniel Zappala
I really shouldn't have looked, but the Rams had only 5 losing seasons before moving. Prior to that, they had been very successful. If other teams had similar owners, I'm guessing we'd have the Salt Lake City Saints, Fresno Falcons, and Portland (Maine) Raiders by now.
2007-01-06 15:36:02
107.   Marty
Yeah, I cherry picked their worst QB for (weak) comedic purposes.
2007-01-06 15:41:51
108.   overkill94
I don't think my parlay including Indy and KC combining for over 51 points is going to pan out like I had hoped...
2007-01-06 16:03:00
109.   Vaudeville Villain
I don't really care about the two teams playing right now, but is Herm Edwards always so completely inept as a coach? The offensive decisions have been uninspired, to say the least.
2007-01-06 16:12:31
110.   trainwreck
This may be the worst NFL playoff game I have seen.
2007-01-06 16:14:26
111.   Jon Weisman
USC currently leads Oregon State, 64-29.
2007-01-06 16:38:17
112.   Bob Timmermann
The football team is avenged!
2007-01-06 16:43:56
113.   Bob Timmermann
Gibson and Stewart are a combined 18-21 at Gill Coliseum today. And Stewart went 6 for 6 on three pointers.
2007-01-06 16:54:42
114.   Frip
Does anyone have suggestions for good scouting report sites on the web?

Also, I don't mind paying, but are there any good free scouting report sites?

Thanks for your time.

2007-01-06 17:08:44
115.   Vishal
okay, so tim brown is saying that 2007 barry zito is better than 2007 randy johnson. that i will agree with. however, what i don't get is how he's a 4-5 win improvement on jason schmidt, or how san francisco has a better offense than the dodgers. he must not have had his morning cup of coffee when he wrote that.
2007-01-06 17:15:07
116.   Greg Brock
The Steelers, Raiders, Rams and Niners all missed the playoffs. If the Cowboys lose in the first round, this might be the best pro football season ever.
2007-01-06 17:20:26
117.   Bob Timmermann
But if you use the time-honored technique of rooting for the team with more UCLA players on it, you have to pull for Dallas, which has one former UCLA player (Kenyon Coleman) to Seattle's zero.
2007-01-06 17:21:58
118.   Greg Brock
I'll stick with the time honored tradition of hating the Cowboys.

It's never done me wrong.

2007-01-06 17:23:26
119.   Bob Timmermann
Troy Aikman was a Cowboy!

Seattle has one Trojan, David Kirtman, on its practice squad.

2007-01-06 17:25:21
120.   Greg Brock
I was a very conflicted Bruin during the Aikman years. They battled the Niners during those years, and played the Steelers and Bills in those Super Bowls. It was slim pickins for ole Brock back then. I think I rooted for them, although I've blocked that out.
2007-01-06 17:32:20
121.   Bob Timmermann
I say root for the team with the less annoying coach. Who annoys you less: Mike Holmgren or Bill Parcells?

I don't have a complicated hierarchy like Andrew does.

2007-01-06 17:33:24
122.   ToyCannon
I megaloathed Roger Cedeno, never saw a lousier CF in my life who could run like him.

I do remember the lousy Juan Gonzales and I liked him but the prospect who I really liked who disappointed me was Candido Maldonado just because of his name.

2007-01-06 17:36:40
123.   Bob Timmermann
First of all, there has never been a major leaguer named Juan Gonzales.
There has been a Juan Gonzalez, to wit, Juan Alberto (Vazquez) Gonzalez

The banjo hitting Gonzalez was Jose:

2007-01-06 17:43:23
124.   Frip
I always root for the team whose quarterback I'd rather have as brother, and whose coach I'd want as an uncle. And whatever team will make Al Davis more miserable than he already is.

Davis hired Art Shell so he could run the team into the ground and get a first round draft pick. This showed great patience and savy on his part. True, it was like giving a child a stick of dynamite, but savy nonetheless.

He gets credit for re-hiring a black guy (so the media couldn't criticise the hiring too much) and a first round pick in 07. He figures he's got about 3 more years to live, and by that time he'll be a contender again.

2007-01-06 17:45:59
125.   Bob Timmermann

Now, that is cynicism that would make Antisthenes proud!

2007-01-06 17:55:11
126.   Bob Timmermann
I am going to be confused next week when the Colts play Baltimore.
2007-01-06 18:00:37
127.   D4P
The days of having no choice but to root for the Cowboys vs. the 49ers were dark days indeed.
2007-01-06 18:32:43
128.   Greg Brock
I don't think Mike Holmgren understands how important it is that the Cowboys are knocked out of the playoffs in the first round.

I've got a phone call to make.

2007-01-06 18:42:26
129.   Indiana Jon
Candy Maldonado was one of my favorites too. Saw him in McDonald's in Vero Beach when I was a kid. It must have been 1982 I think. He had on sandals with his name on them. My sister said, "Look he has on Candy Maldonado sandals." I think I called her an idiot and let her know that was him.
2007-01-06 18:44:08
130.   Daniel Zappala
126 I'm still upset the Colts moved out of Baltimore and I have no connection to either city.
2007-01-06 18:49:16
131.   Bob Timmermann
Is Marty a member of the Teamsters now?

2007-01-06 18:59:59
132.   Greg Brock
Karl Dorrell is not coaching the Seattle Seahawks.
2007-01-06 19:04:52
133.   Icaros
That was some Rams-like kick coverage for Seattle.
2007-01-06 19:08:31
134.   Greg Brock
Now I must see who wins the Samuel Peter/James Toney rematch. It's the heavyweight match that only Greg Brock is dying to see.

Set TIVO's to "Excitement"

2007-01-06 19:09:42
135.   Bob Timmermann
Note to NBC: if you wish to get people to watch the NHL on TV, don't show the Flyers.
2007-01-06 19:13:34
136.   Frip
How can one not root for Parcells? He's one of the only true personalities in the NFL. That counts for something.

You have a moral obligation to root for the Cowboys.

2007-01-06 19:13:46
137.   Sam DC
Caps won a thriller tonight on an incredibly beautiful goal with 22 seconds left in OT. Must see tv.
2007-01-06 19:16:26
138.   Greg Brock
I've never really gotten into hockey, and I'm not really sure why. Yeah, I got into it during the Gretzky to LA craze (who didn't), but that's about it.

It seems like a cool enough sport. Glide around really fast, pass the puck around, fights, checking, crazy fans, good tradition. I have no anti-Canadian streak, so it can't be that.

It might just be the same reason I don't listen to new music. I have a finite amount of time in my life, and unless you're beating The Beatles, Zep, or Stones (baseball, college football, college basketball), you're not getting in the rotation. In theory, hockey should be good.

2007-01-06 19:17:19
139.   overkill94
Apparently Arizona used up all its made baskets against Washington - 2 points on 1-7 shooting so far.

Why isn't this game on Fox Sports?

2007-01-06 19:17:46
140.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going to back-to-back hockey games on Jan. 31 and Feb. 1. A friend from Canada is visiting and he wanted to go to both the Honda Center and Staples Center.

And he's going to drive me from Downtown to Anaheim and pay for the tickets, which is OK by me.

2007-01-06 19:19:23
141.   Greg Brock
Julius Jones is upset. Somebody must have insulted the Pope.
2007-01-06 19:20:05
142.   Bob Timmermann
The game is in Pullman. Nobody wants to go to Pullman.

I think Wazzu's defense is a little tougher than UW's.

2007-01-06 19:32:50
143.   overkill94
Time for one of Arizona's patented runs. Only at 5-0 right now, but it could become 20-2 in the blink of an eye.
2007-01-06 19:40:45
144.   Bob Timmermann
It's tough to go on a 20-2 run against WSU. Their pace doesn't lend itself to turnovers.

It would have to be one of the 20-2 runs that UCLA would have last year where they would just drive the other team to distraction.

2007-01-06 19:46:11
145.   overkill94
15-5 so far to tie it up...and a sneaky touchdown by the Seahawks to tie it up.
2007-01-06 19:46:38
146.   caseybarker
Kenyon was also a Raider. Just wanted you to know...
2007-01-06 19:48:05
147.   Bob Timmermann
If it's not a TD in Seattle, it's at least a safety.
2007-01-06 19:49:15
148.   overkill94
Looks like a safety after all
2007-01-06 19:50:13
149.   overkill94
Well, 18-5 run to end the half gives Arizona a 3-point edge. I'll take it.
2007-01-06 19:50:24
150.   Greg Brock
Boy, how many close calls in the last five minutes have completely changed the game?

Yes, the answer is two. It was a rhetorical question.

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2007-01-06 19:51:59
151.   D4P
Do you refer to yourself as "Boy"...?
2007-01-06 19:52:29
152.   Bob Timmermann
The mantle has indeed been passed to a new generation...
2007-01-06 19:54:25
153.   overkill94
Where were the safeties on that one?
2007-01-06 19:55:44
154.   D4P
I say we share the mantle...
2007-01-06 20:00:55
155.   Bob Timmermann
I have your mantle on my mantel.
2007-01-06 20:01:54
156.   D4P
So does Mickey.
2007-01-06 20:06:03
157.   D4P
Wow, VERY favorable spot...
2007-01-06 20:06:32
158.   Greg Brock
That was a very fortunate spot for Dallas.
2007-01-06 20:06:56
159.   overkill94
20-5 run in the Arizona game Bob, you happy?
2007-01-06 20:08:11
160.   Bill Crain
Arizona leads Wash St 27-24 at the half.

Some person named Cara Capuano is pretending to do play-by-play on FSN - this is an abomination. The apocalypse has arrived; Chick Hearn must be spinning in his grave.

2007-01-06 20:08:32
161.   D4P
Justice prevails!
2007-01-06 20:09:56
162.   D4P
Heh heh
2007-01-06 20:10:00
163.   overkill94
He's short! Seattle wins!
2007-01-06 20:11:38
164.   Greg Brock
Good. I found the canonization of Tony Romo to be disgusting in the extreme. I'm glad he choked.

Ha ha ha.

2007-01-06 20:13:01
165.   Greg Brock
I swim in your tears, Romo. Get off my television you career backup.
2007-01-06 20:13:22
166.   Bob Timmermann
20-5 is not 20-2 nor did it happen in a blink as was suggested. The run was the one of the variety of just having WSU being beaten senseless. And the Cougars are back ahead.
2007-01-06 20:13:35
167.   D4P
There is little so canonized as Notre Dame quarterbacks and Cowboy quarterbacks.
2007-01-06 20:14:05
168.   overkill94
Enough with your semantics! I was close!
2007-01-06 20:14:29
169.   Bob Timmermann
I have tried cannonizing Notre Dame QBs, but I was told it was illegal.
2007-01-06 20:14:43
170.   D4P
There is a decent chance Dallas will get the ball back, and possibly get off a field goal attempt
2007-01-06 20:16:26
171.   D4P
Oh, no field goal attempt. Just a Hail Mary.
2007-01-06 20:17:10
172.   overkill94
Flutie Flakes anyone?
2007-01-06 20:18:46
173.   Greg Brock
Oh, what joy. A little more humility, a little less ESPN next year, Mr. Romo.

Democracy, decency, and America win!

2007-01-06 20:19:18
174.   Bob Timmermann
So does Clint Longley open up a bottle of champagne after this game?
2007-01-06 20:28:47
175.   Sam DC
Geez Greg, what'd you let the tin man borrow your heart?
2007-01-06 20:30:16
176.   Sam DC
Oh good, the replay of UCLA/Oregon is on now.
2007-01-06 20:32:27
177.   Greg Brock
I just couldn't stand turning on ESPN to catch a sports score and hearing about how Tony Romo cured cancer, changed iron into gold, and created the world's first cold fusion power plant. It was all a bit much for me.

Oh, man, that was some good schaudenfreude.

2007-01-06 20:34:06
178.   overkill94
Gonna go down to the wire in...wherever Washington State is located.
2007-01-06 20:35:58
179.   Bob Timmermann

It's here

2007-01-06 20:40:13
180.   overkill94
You think you're smart, don't you.
2007-01-06 20:41:28
181.   overkill94
Just saw a blurb at the bottom of the ESPN ticker about USC's kicker being found dead at the bottom of a cliff; what a downer.
2007-01-06 20:42:09
182.   Bob Timmermann
Well, not as smart as D4P or Greg Brock. Those guys can speak five languages apiece and I believe D4P can simultaneously write the NFL playoff tiebreaking procedures in Latin and Greek using each hand.
2007-01-06 20:44:19
183.   Greg Brock
181 I just saw that. How terrible.

Nothing good ever happens in San Pedro.

2007-01-06 20:46:36
184.   overkill94
The only time I've ever been in San Pedro was when I was taking a ferry to Catalina. I'd classify the incident as harmless.
2007-01-06 20:46:49
185.   Greg Brock
Parlo soltanto quattro lingue.
2007-01-06 20:49:56
186.   overkill94
Is "from the producers of The Chainsaw Massacre" really a selling point?

Speaking of which, I drink with the guy who played Leatherface in that one at the Rainbow Room one time. He was hitting on every girl in sight while his posse sported menacing glares.

2007-01-06 20:50:38
187.   Bob Timmermann
I've seen WSU twice this year and I can't even remember Daven Harmeling being on the court.
2007-01-06 20:51:43
188.   overkill94
drink should be drank, tenses are never my strong suit.
2007-01-06 20:52:27
189.   D4P
Parlo soltanto quattro lingue

Without looking it up, I would guess that means "I only speak four languages"

2007-01-06 20:52:59
190.   overkill94
Two thoughts from tracking the Arizona/WSU game on-line:

1. Next time they meet, Harmeling should not be allowed to shoot

2. WSU's defense is pretty dang good

2007-01-06 20:53:42
191.   overkill94
189 You must watch a lot of razor commercials
2007-01-06 20:54:43
192.   Greg Brock
Lorenzo Mata shooting free throws for Washington State.
2007-01-06 20:55:28
193.   Greg Brock
Choke City, U.S.A. is in Pullman, Washington.
2007-01-06 20:55:34
194.   Bob Timmermann
Not Derrick Low's night.
2007-01-06 20:55:42
195.   overkill94
Tie game with 8 seconds left and Arizona's ball!
2007-01-06 20:57:30
196.   Bob Timmermann
Free basketball in the Palouse!
2007-01-06 20:57:46
197.   overkill94
Radenovic and Shakur having 4 fouls each might be a stumbling block in overtime.
2007-01-06 20:58:43
198.   Greg Brock
I would be very surprised if Wazoo won this game. Pleasantly surprised.
2007-01-06 21:00:09
199.   Bob Timmermann
It's properly spelled "Wazzu"
2007-01-06 21:01:18
200.   Greg Brock
199 Yeah, I forgot, and didn't want to look it up.

Thankfully, I have you around to correct every little mistake. What a treat.

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2007-01-06 21:02:23
201.   Bob Timmermann
You can speak four languages, but you are not fluent in Pac-10 school nickname spelling.
2007-01-06 21:03:05
202.   Greg Brock
Chase Buddinger goes tanning with David Eckstein.

Albinism is nothing to be ashamed of.

2007-01-06 21:04:53
203.   overkill94
Could numbers 1, 5, 7, and 8 all go down in the same day? That's gotta be some sort of record for top-10 schools losing.
2007-01-06 21:05:10
204.   Bob Timmermann
I can understand why Budinger is pale, he plays indoors. But how does Eckstein stay so pale?
2007-01-06 21:05:24
205.   Greg Brock
I actually thought to myself "Man, I can't remember how to spell Wazzu. I don't want to the Google it. I'm sure Bob will let it slide. No, I'm going to type WSU instead...I can't let Bob get me. No, I'll go with Wazoo. He won't correct me."

My exact internal debate.

2007-01-06 21:05:34
206.   D4P
Am I the only one who likes to pronounce "Eckstein" as "Eck-steen"? It just sounds nerdier that way...
2007-01-06 21:06:10
207.   overkill94
I prefer "Eck-shteen"
2007-01-06 21:07:22
208.   Bob Timmermann

My internal debate was more like this:

"Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow..."

2007-01-06 21:08:14
209.   Greg Brock
208 Still waters run deep...
2007-01-06 21:08:58
210.   D4P
"Eck-shteen" it is
2007-01-06 21:09:18
211.   Greg Brock
Derrick Low has gorgeous hair. My sisters would be jealous.
2007-01-06 21:10:18
212.   overkill94
208 Better than having "Rock and Roll, Parts One and Two" going through your head
2007-01-06 21:11:59
213.   D4P
Greg's sister:

2007-01-06 21:13:09
214.   overkill94
Stupid 'Zona, they could have snuck into the top-5 with a win tonight.
2007-01-06 21:16:24
215.   Bob Timmermann
77 points! An offensive explosion for the Cougs!
2007-01-06 21:16:47
216.   StolenMonkey86
MSNBC reports that USC kicker Mario Danelo was found dead this afternoon.

2007-01-06 21:20:25
217.   Greg Brock
The Pacific 10 Conference is going to be brutal this year. I wouldn't be surprised if six teams make the tourney. Seven teams might even deserve it, but that won't happen.

This may be the toughest Pacific 10 I've ever seen.

2007-01-06 21:23:07
218.   natepurcell
some guy on washington st thought he was larry bird tonight.

really annoying cats couldnt seal this game up, considering UCLA lost today.

2007-01-06 21:25:00
219.   natepurcell
im going to be terrified when UofA has to play teams like Ohio state or florida in the tourney considering we have absolutely no size and the Serbian Slayer is our starting center.
2007-01-06 21:25:05
220.   Bob Timmermann
The big difference between finishing first and second in the Pac-10 is whether or not you play the first or third game of the Pac-10 tournament.
2007-01-06 21:26:09
221.   Bob Timmermann
Technically, it's the third or fifth game.
2007-01-06 21:28:57
222.   natepurcell
so i went to the Santa Margarita/Mater Dei game on thursday and a couple of thoughts

-i still hate taylor king. i remember when i was a senior and he was freshmen and he was as pompous then as he is now. and ugly. but wow, amazing shooter, pulls up from 27 feet and nails it consistently. Him and Duke deserve each other though.

-how in the hell did alex jacobson get a scholarship from arizona? he sucks. hes a legit 7 footer, but he sucks.

-mile simons nephew is awesome. oregons getting another solid player.

2007-01-06 21:29:59
223.   D4P
Do the teams that finish 3-10 in the conference get better seeds in the tournament than a team that ties for first but loses the tiebreaker...?
2007-01-06 21:30:43
224.   Bill Crain
Just paraphrasing John McKay, I won't be satisfied until we beat Lute Olsen 2000 to nothing.
2007-01-06 21:33:02
225.   Greg Brock
I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for Lute Olsen, but it seems as though he's turned into a first-class complainer in the last few years. He's become one of the more whiny coaches around. Maybe he's always been that way and I missed it, but I don't think so.
2007-01-06 21:33:52
226.   Greg Brock
Grrr. Olson, not olsen.
2007-01-06 21:34:31
227.   D4P
Are your sisters jealous of Lute's hair...?
2007-01-06 21:35:33
228.   Bob Timmermann
Well, actually in the Pac-10 the seeding tiebreakers are:
Head-to-head (or games among 3 or more teams).
Then record against first place team and then going down in the standings.
Then overall record.
Then they flip a coin.
2007-01-06 21:39:51
229.   D4P
Then they flip a coin

But how do they decide who gets to "call it in the air"...?

2007-01-06 21:40:03
230.   Bill Crain
Yeah, Olson is right. I remember him as a whiner when he was at Long Beach City College.
2007-01-06 21:41:29
231.   Bob Timmermann
The coin toss is conducted by the Pac-10 Commissioner.

I don't think they've had to use that and it would be unlikely that it would ever need to be used.

2007-01-06 21:42:51
232.   Bob Timmermann
Now there's a man who holds a grudge!
2007-01-06 21:43:47
233.   D4P
Do you happen to know what kind of coin they would use...?
2007-01-06 21:47:20
234.   Bill Crain
Nah, he wasn't nearly so irritating then. I had my hands full being annoyed by John Wooden. Now Bill Walton, on the other hand, that guy must hold the record for long term multi-media annoying.
2007-01-06 21:48:40
235.   Bob Timmermann

They use a coin specially minted for such an event. Out of an alloy of platinum, gold, and polonium.

2007-01-06 21:49:57
236.   Bill Crain
Is it produced by bombarding bismuth with neutrons in a nuclear reactor?
2007-01-06 21:50:17
237.   Bob Timmermann
So, you're really Tommy Craggs! I knew it.

You must have hated Wooden trying to keep the "bad elements" out of basketball! You can run, but you can't hide Craggs!

2007-01-06 21:51:04
238.   Greg Brock
I've gotten the impression that Lute and Coach Howland are not the best of friends. The last few meetings between the teams have included some interesting exchanges. Even more than the usual "Coaches competing for elite status" stuff.
2007-01-06 21:57:41
239.   Greg Brock
I'm glad that Polonium is finally getting its due. It has been one of the more underrated elements for a long time now. Granted, it should have been under better circumstances, but hey, whatever it takes.

Polonium, your time is now.

2007-01-06 21:58:08
240.   Bill Crain
Craggs heard it all from me. I can't comment further because legal action is pending.

Dunkshots were okay when made by Ron Riley.

2007-01-06 21:58:46
241.   Greg Brock
2007 is The Year of Rhenium.
2007-01-06 22:02:08
242.   Bill Crain
Rhenium is a "bad element" that needs to be kept out of this discussion.
2007-01-06 22:02:58
243.   Bob Timmermann
Washington State has played in just seven NCAA tournament games. They're 3-4. But they finished as runnerup back in 1941.

In the last NCAA tournament game WSU won, Craig Ehlo was playing in it.

The Cougars haven't won 14 games in a year since 1995-96.

2007-01-06 22:03:05
244.   Greg Brock
You're out of your element Donnie.
2007-01-06 22:08:19
245.   Bill Crain
Cara Capuano said WSU hasn't beat Zona at home since '86, before Chase Budinger was born.

Don't quote me, cause Cara may not be much of a source.

Bob, did you make it to the WSU-SC game last weekend? We were sitting next to Bob Boyd.

2007-01-06 22:09:11
246.   Bob Timmermann
And the 4th leading scorer in the history of WSU basketball is:

Mark Hendrickson.

If anyone knows the name of anyone in the top 3, you are indeed a hard core Pac-10 basketball fan.

2007-01-06 22:09:50
247.   Bill Crain
John Goodman's line, right? But I can't remember the context.
2007-01-06 22:11:30
248.   Bob Timmermann
I was seated behind the south basket in row 15.

I liked the Galen Center. They just need to finish up a few things. Like mounting signs on the outside of the sections, so you can find your seats. Instead you can see them from the court. In case one of the players wants to find section 115.

2007-01-06 22:15:24
249.   Bill Crain
Isaac Fontaine. That's all I got.

I have no idea why they didn't open the curtain. You would have had a great view.

2007-01-06 22:19:28
250.   Bob Timmermann
Isaac Fontaine is indeed the leading scorer in WSU history.

Steve Puidokas is second and Don Collins is third.

The curtain was closed because FSN wanted it closed.

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2007-01-06 22:24:41
251.   Greg Brock
Isaac Fontaine never gets that movie. That part is perfect for him, it'll make him a big star, and I'm gonna run him out of the business - and let me tell you why: Johnny Fontane ruined one of Woltz International's most valuable proteges. For five years we had her under training - singing lessons, acting lessons, dancing lessons. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on her, I was gonna make her a big star.
2007-01-06 22:32:16
252.   Bob Timmermann
Isaac Fontaine did make it to the NBA. For 6 games for Memphis.

Mark Hendrickson is the last WSU player to be drafted by the NBA.

2007-01-06 22:58:58
253.   Jon Weisman
181/216 - I'm so shocked by this. First USC's point guard and now this.
2007-01-06 23:08:07
254.   Bob Timmermann
One commenter on Scott Wolf's blog is not happy with his characterization of the tragedy:

2007-01-06 23:15:02
255.   Andrew Shimmin
RIP, Momofuku Ando. Only Norman Borlaug has done more to alleviate world hunger.

2007-01-06 23:18:08
256.   Greg Brock
254 Either he is privy to some information no other news source is, or that's an incredibly presumptive blog entry.
2007-01-06 23:22:29
257.   Greg Brock
The fact that Wolf stated the cause of death as a suicide without a source (Sheriff's Dept., Coroner) really bothers me.
2007-01-06 23:43:18
258.   LAT
257. Not sure it makes a diffrence but it does say "apparent" suicide.
2007-01-06 23:47:56
259.   Greg Brock
If Wolf's only indication that it was an "apparent" suicide is that he was found at the bottom of a cliff, it's still pretty presumptive.

The LAPD officer said, in response to questions about suicide, "I don't have anything to indicate that it was that."

2007-01-07 00:09:15
260.   Steve
I have no idea about the USC kicker, but I think I've figured out Tim Brown.

Zito 2006: 16 wins

Schmidt 2006: 11 wins


2007-01-07 00:30:37
261.   Andrew Shimmin
260- Yeah. That's it one the nose. So, maybe he was scoffing at the five wins because he has some kind of proto-understanding that W/L record is not useful? Still, it's an thing embarrassing thing for somebody who gets paid to have said.

Johan Santana was nearly five wins WARPier than Schmidt last year. So, it's not completely impossible. It's just not likely that Zito will manage it. Barring a Schmidtian collapse. Ch-i forbid.

2007-01-07 05:39:41
262.   Sam DC
Ladies and Gentleman, your Mayor For Life, the Honorable, the Remarkable, the Night Owl, Marion Barry:

The Man is still going strong!

2007-01-07 05:56:33
263.   Sam DC
Here's a link to Semin's goal last night that I was praising. Don't miss the goalie's reaction.

2007-01-07 08:45:44
264.   Steve
261 -- But before you get there, don't you have to be a real knuckle-dragging cro-magnon man to think that Barry Zito is four or five wins better than Jason Schmidt? But I guess since he was looking at it unscientifically and all. I mean, who's to say?
2007-01-07 09:03:42
265.   D4P
don't you have to be a real knuckle-dragging cro-magnon man

Or woman

2007-01-07 09:04:47
266.   tjshere
262 Was Mr. Barry doing all that boogying with or without the aid of party enhancing drugs?

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