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Kid Pedro
2007-01-12 23:29
by Jon Weisman

Via Baseball Musings (which itself was directed by MetsBlog), we find this brief Associated Press mention and photo of pitching prospect Pedro E. Martinez, the 19!-year-old son of we-miss-you-Dodger Pedro J. Martinez and nephew of we'll-always-remember-you Ramon J. Martinez.

Young Pedro attends the Mets' pitching academy in Boca de Nigua, Dominican Republic.

Makes me curious to see if Pedro Guerrero has a kid playing anywhere.

Comments (268)
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2007-01-12 23:45:25
1.   Bob Timmermann
Obviously this is all part of the Baseball Musings-Baseball Toaster mutual link exchange pact.
2007-01-13 05:13:36
2.   dianagramr
Mmmm ... "Toaster Musings" ....

(I'll take a Cinnamon Swirl one please)

2007-01-13 07:42:33
3.   Bumsrap
Pedro may have had a great career, and Ramon may have had a darn good career but it was always Jesus that was going to be the greatest brother.

I am more interested in hearing about the son of Jesus, who if he exists, is probably available.

2007-01-13 09:34:07
4.   Xeifrank
Ok, I'm about to read the article but the headline paragraph has two things that caught my attention. 1) That Pedro has a 19 year old son. How old is the elder Pedro? 2) They mention that the younger Pedro looks just like Ramon. hmmmm. Shouldn't he look more like Pedro Sr? I may be confused??
vr, Xei
2007-01-13 10:05:33
5.   Bob Timmermann
Pedro Martinez pere is 35.
2007-01-13 10:06:49
6.   underdog
Yikes, he had a kid when he was 16. He's 2 years younger than me and he has a 19 year old son. Even my cat's only 12.
2007-01-13 10:44:23
7.   Vishal
having a 19 year old cat would be more amazing than pedro's 19 year old son.
2007-01-13 10:46:16
8.   Bumsrap
His 23 year old daughter was not drafted.
2007-01-13 11:02:41
9.   Bob Timmermann
You do the math.
2007-01-13 11:26:44
10.   Greg Brock
Somehow Pedro hanging around to play baseball with his son doesn't have the same feeling as Griffey Sr. or Tim Raines.

19 year old son from a 35 year old Pedro. Wowza.

2007-01-13 11:35:39
11.   Bob Timmermann
So, Ken Griffey and Tim Raines being 19 when they fathered their children is all that different?

Let's see. You've got a poor, likely not well-educated young man in a country where there likely isn't a lot of access to birth control....

You do the math....

2007-01-13 11:36:17
12.   SoSG Orel
6. Yes, but how is your cat's arm?
2007-01-13 11:40:33
13.   Greg Brock
11 Fair point. But yes, to me and my antiquated, old fashioned thinking, there is a tremendous difference between having a kid at 15 and having one at 19.

Why? What's the significance? I DON'T KNOW!

2007-01-13 11:41:06
14.   trainwreck
I hope Darren Dreifort has a 19 year old son.
2007-01-13 11:50:21
15.   Bob Timmermann
It takes far less equipment to father a child than it does to play baseball. That's why it's one of the world's most popular sports!
2007-01-13 11:56:19
16.   Greg Brock
This also opens up an entirely new line of "Pedro's little friend" jokes.

Which I will not be engaging in.

2007-01-13 12:00:54
17.   Bob Timmermann
We should be trying to guess where DT commenter "dan reines" is sitting at Galen Center. His back should be to the camera.
2007-01-13 12:06:57
18.   Bob Timmermann
Dear Messrs. Physioc and Johnson,
Please stop saying "gap integrity."
It bothers me.

Bob Timmermann

2007-01-13 12:10:52
19.   trainwreck
I love it when Westbrook gets to play shooting guard.
2007-01-13 12:12:07
20.   Greg Brock
This is a pretty listless first half for the Bruins.

Get more list. More list!

2007-01-13 12:13:51
21.   Bob Timmermann
The two teams are now a combined 16 of 45 from the floor.
2007-01-13 12:14:00
22.   trainwreck
Jason Kapono scored 2,000 points? Good grief.
2007-01-13 12:18:10
23.   Greg Brock
I guess Southern Cal is going to just throw the ball up in the air and it's going to go in now.


2007-01-13 12:18:58
24.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Kapono and Reggie Miller both scored 2095 points.
2007-01-13 12:24:13
25.   Bob Timmermann
You know, if you asked me who has played in the most basketball games for UCLA, I would go through a lot of guesses before the right answer:

Mitchell Butler.

2007-01-13 12:49:51
26.   Greg Brock
I did not want to lose this game. Unfortunately, I figured UCLA would.
2007-01-13 12:59:13
27.   Bob Timmermann
You know before this game started, I didn't think USC was the most talented in Los Angeles, but now it's clearly true!

(I'm getting a jump on somebody else's brilliant hindsight.)

2007-01-13 12:59:39
28.   trainwreck
Well last time UCLA faced USC you figured they would get slaughtered and they won. So you just need to assume we will get killed and maybe we can win.
2007-01-13 13:02:19
29.   JJ42
I have a cat who's almost 17 years old. Still pretty sharp and active too.
2007-01-13 13:04:41
30.   Bob Timmermann
I assume that the cat doesn't look like Pedro Martinez.
2007-01-13 13:19:40
31.   Bob Timmermann
I would also assume that the cat is well-burnished.
2007-01-13 13:22:51
32.   Andrew Shimmin
Hula Hoop Crisis: Day Five

A bit of victory to report. Wendy Selin writes:

"I was at the school that was carrying the signs and hula hoops, I was picking up the Nutrition Network logs from Carver Middle School. I am a Union member, but I did not talk to any of the staff because the camera crew was filming. I would address this question to the UTLA Union for an explanation. Sorry I could not give you the information you requested...."

So, anybody know anybody at Carver? I submitted the question to the unreliable-looking embedded email form in the UTLA website, but, if somebody else had the means and the willingness to do a little groundwork. . .[bats eyelashes]

2007-01-13 13:26:17
33.   Bob Timmermann
My girlfriend doesn't teach at Carver, but she may know about the hula hoops. I will report back later tonight or tomorrow.
2007-01-13 13:28:08
34.   overkill94
With the way he's playing today, Mata might even get some action tonight.
2007-01-13 13:30:45
35.   Bob Timmermann
That brings us back to Jon's post in a way doesn't it?
2007-01-13 13:34:40
36.   overkill94
35 I'm all about coming full-circle.

Then again, with those two blown free throws, he might have just hurt his chances. Collison might be lonely tonight as well.

2007-01-13 13:35:47
37.   Sam DC
This game is very stressful on gamecast.
2007-01-13 13:36:26
38.   Bob Timmermann
Collison is still UCLA's top scorer today.
2007-01-13 13:37:21
39.   Greg Brock
Ah, the sweet taste of escape.
2007-01-13 13:37:21
40.   Bob Timmermann
Michael Roll making sure he gets credit for that rebound.
2007-01-13 13:38:17
41.   Sam DC
0:04 65-64 UCLA Arron Afflalo made Two Point Jumper.


very nervous now.

2007-01-13 13:38:41
42.   Bob Timmermann
North Carolina is down 10 at halftime in Blacksburg.

The Greatest College Basketball Team Ever beat South Carolina easily.

Ohio State, Wisconsin, and UCLA all squeeked out wins.

2007-01-13 13:39:47
43.   Sam DC
42 - does not report UCLA squeaking out a win. it reports 4 seconds left!
2007-01-13 13:39:47
44.   overkill94
38 He's off the hook now. Girls don't care about you being the top scorer, they just remember you fouling a guy on a 3-pointer with 25 seconds left in your rivalry game. One of the many defects of their kind. Also, weak arms.
2007-01-13 13:40:18
45.   Sam DC
aaah - "0:04 65-64 USC Gabriel Pruitt missed Three Point Jumper"
2007-01-13 13:40:40
46.   Bob Timmermann

Young hits the three-pointer at the buzzer!

2007-01-13 13:41:05
47.   Bob Timmermann
Dang, almost worked.
2007-01-13 13:45:11
48.   trainwreck
I hear Mata is quite a hit with the ladies actually.
2007-01-13 13:50:48
49.   Bob Timmermann
I think Joakim Noah is more popular because he played on One of the Greatest College Basketball Teams Ever.™
2007-01-13 13:56:51
50.   Greg Brock
I'm not sure when this trend of calling power forwards and centers "Bigs" started, but I wish it would end.

There is only one thing that should be referred to as "Big"...

David Eckstein's heart.

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2007-01-13 14:00:20
51.   Andrew Shimmin
Talk about getting high on your own, um, stuff:

2007-01-13 14:03:13
52.   trainwreck
He's no Veronica Mars.
2007-01-13 14:04:14
53.   Greg Brock
Wow, if I knew that the letters were causing such a problem I would have stopped writing them.
2007-01-13 14:05:45
54.   trainwreck
Va Tech is destroying UNC.
2007-01-13 14:22:57
55.   Greg Brock
Ed Reed is not familiar with the NFL's "Down by contact" rule.

I hate players that run after the whistle. Especially the guys that pick up incompletions and run the other way, looking back every three seconds.

2007-01-13 14:25:36
56.   Bob Timmermann
So, apparently, the Greatest College Basketball Team Ever™ will be able to take over the #1 spot.
2007-01-13 14:25:54
57.   trainwreck
Well in case the call is challenged and it is ruled a completion and a fumble.
2007-01-13 14:27:26
58.   Greg Brock
57 Don't you go defending the other-way-runners. You're still on double-secret probation for your soccer team.
2007-01-13 14:30:07
59.   Bob Timmermann
Speaking of soccer, Slate within a day had their "David Beckham is the worst thing for American soccer" article up pretty quickly.

That could well be true, but I was wondering if the article had been written several weeks ago and was just waiting for the news to be official.

2007-01-13 14:31:16
60.   Bob Timmermann
That interception Steve McNair threw was Rob Johnson-like.
2007-01-13 14:36:36
61.   Bob Timmermann
Iowa leads Minnesota 22-16 at halftime.

They aren't shooting well.

2007-01-13 14:40:12
62.   Andrew Shimmin
Apparently two hundred and fifty million bucks can get you a whole lot of thetan therapy.

2007-01-13 14:41:25
63.   trainwreck
Now we know where the Galaxy is getting that money.
2007-01-13 14:44:59
64.   trainwreck
I cannot wait for the Thetan to come out in theaters.
2007-01-13 14:54:53
65.   Greg Brock
Becks on Cruise: "He's a very wise man"

The Greg Brock list of wiseness:
Dali Lama
Tom Cruise
The second Wise Man
Wisey McWiserson
Deepak Chopra
Kurt Rambis

2007-01-13 14:59:20
66.   Bob Timmermann
Is the Dali Lama a reincarnation of an earlier Surrealist painter?
2007-01-13 15:01:34
67.   Greg Brock
Yeah, yeah, Dalai Lama. A wise man would have let the typo go.
2007-01-13 15:03:56
68.   Bob Timmermann
I have vowed only to correct Greg Brock's typos from now on. Mainly because he makes the ones that are almost always unintentionally hilarious.

And he's a professional educator! He should be handle to it!

I will correct Xeifrank no more forever.

2007-01-13 15:06:31
69.   Greg Brock
My spelling is often atrocious. I used to be a very good speller. It goes back to when I was so nervous in my fifth grade spelling bee that I spelled "democracy" without the e. It all went downhill from there.

I lost my nerve.

2007-01-13 15:06:38
70.   Bob Timmermann
On CBS, Sam Ryan just referred to a player who had to miss four games because of a "league-mandated suspension."

Of course, if this had been a baseball player, Ryan would have told us of the incredible shame that the player would have faced for taking steroids. And how the entire game would be suspect.

2007-01-13 15:08:43
71.   Bob Timmermann
My oft told tale is that I won the school spelling bee one year on "parallel" and then lost it the next year on the same word when I omitted the initial "a".
2007-01-13 15:11:11
72.   Greg Brock
71 I knew every single word in the stupid spelling be. And I had to sit there and watch. It might be the most painful memory of my life.

My fourth grade spelling be championship means nothing. I think I threw away the ribbon. It's all pointless now, this spelling of the words correctly. If there is a spelling nihilism, then I am a spelling nihilist.

2007-01-13 15:12:24
73.   Bob Timmermann
"I knew every single word in the stupid spelling be."

Sometimes you just serve them up on a tee.

Or perhaps a te.

2007-01-13 15:12:29
74.   Andrew Shimmin
Horrifying discovery of the day: a thousand comment thread on Slashdot about how to convert the U.S. to the metric system. I mean, I'm sure it won't work, but if they've got a thousand ideas. . . Well, like I said--it's very horrifying. Like ten thousand spoons, when all you need is a knife.

2007-01-13 15:13:13
75.   Greg Brock
73 I hate you.
2007-01-13 15:14:24
76.   Greg Brock
bee bee bee bee bee

{Bangs head on desk}

2007-01-13 15:16:18
77.   Greg Brock
Trying to convert to the metric system is so 70's. It's like joining EST or having a beard.
2007-01-13 15:21:52
78.   Bob Timmermann
The first native of Japan appeared in an NFL game today.

Yutaka Fukufuji played the final period in goal for the Kings in their 6-5 loss to the Blues in St. Louis. All fans in attendance at the game got free food.

They also had to watch the Kings and Blues play each other.

2007-01-13 15:25:29
79.   Andrew Shimmin
I live in constant fear of the metric system. And clown conventions. Wait, I think we played this game before. Never mind.
2007-01-13 15:27:21
80.   Bob Timmermann
Just ease your way into the metric system. Call kilometers "clicks" at first. You'll feel like John Wayne in "The Green Berets".
2007-01-13 15:32:10
81.   trainwreck
Clowns make me happy, because if you are feeling down you can always be happy you are not a clown.
2007-01-13 15:43:48
82.   Jon Weisman
Greg, you could have jumped on Bob's mistake in 78 for revenge!
2007-01-13 15:49:30
83.   trainwreck
Yeah, I was waiting for Brock to do that.
2007-01-13 15:55:20
84.   Greg Brock
Greg is rendered blind by the migraine aura he is having right now. Expect pain and crying to follow.
2007-01-13 16:12:15
85.   overkill94
Peyton Manning is going to have nightmares about Ed Reed for a long time
2007-01-13 16:21:19
86.   trainwreck
Not if they hold on.
2007-01-13 16:30:57
87.   Greg Brock
The Colts beat the Ravens in Balmer. Ouch. I feel so bad for Brian Billick and Ray Lewis.
2007-01-13 16:33:51
88.   overkill94
Well that was a pretty boring game
2007-01-13 16:44:15
89.   trainwreck
These playoffs have stunk for the most part.
2007-01-13 17:03:46
90.   Greg Brock
Hmmm. Playoff game in New Orleans. If only there was an underlying story...You know, some compelling human interest angle to probe.

Alas, just a football game.

2007-01-13 17:13:06
91.   trainwreck
Reggie Bush just got laid out.
2007-01-13 17:14:37
92.   Greg Brock
Dear Eagles,

Please refrain from barreling into me with such force. If the Lord wanted my heart to be on the right side of my chest he would have put it there.

Reggie Bush

2007-01-13 17:16:29
93.   trainwreck
Randy Foye's (Timberwolves) organs are all on the opposite side they should be.
2007-01-13 18:56:33
94.   twerp
68 Checking in on the Brock-Timmermann skirmish--

"He should be handle to it!"

Could you translate that from Timmermannese to English, or Middle English, or something?

Hey, what do you expect from a twerp?

2007-01-13 20:12:58
95.   das411
Shawn Andrews, Eagle MVP? :(
2007-01-13 20:42:26
96.   Xeifrank
I said to myself that the Eagles should've just gone for it on the 4th and 15. With your season on the line, why would you punt the ball away? I had the volume down, what did they say about the guy with the towel blocking the NO offensive signs? Neighbors cousin is #55 on the Saints defense. I could hear the yelling on the Eagles last drive.
Go Dodgers!
vr, Xei
2007-01-13 20:47:20
97.   ToyCannon
I've got 4 cats who are 17. I expect all of them to live to 20 except the one I like.

That was a Great playoff game. Looking forward to the ice bowl tomorrow. For some reason I like football in terrible weather.

2007-01-13 21:16:25
98.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Brock is obviously the bigger man in our battle. He has climbed the pyramid of success and looked around.

He wore good socks.

2007-01-13 21:22:25
99.   Bob Timmermann
Re Hula Hoops and UTLA for Andrew, I asked my girlfriend about the union:

Here is the printable portion of her opinion about UTLA:

End of opinion.

2007-01-13 21:39:56
100.   das411
96 - And one of the greatest moments in Eagle history was a last-minute pass on a FOURTH AND TWENTY-SIX!!! I was listening to the local radio guys who did not say anything about the towels though...oh well, we have been in "loser dividend" territory since about November anyways.

Four more weeks 'til pitchers and catchers!!

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2007-01-13 21:47:23
101.   Xeifrank
Purple Row (Rockies blog) has a clever way of rating Rockie offseason moves. The description for their lowest ranking is "ALIWBTWSD". Without looking, guess what it stands for. vr, Xei
2007-01-13 21:52:32
102.   underdog
Very belated response to:
12. SoSG Orel
6. Yes, but how is your cat's arm?

Not as strong as Pedro or Pedro Jr's, and he tested positive for catnip. Well-clawed, though. And a better free throw shooter than Lorenzo Mata.

(Bringing this back full-circle.)

2007-01-13 22:25:06
103.   Greg Brock
101 I looked it up. It's pretty darn funny.

That was an awesome migraine. I think I can taste my spleen, and I wanted to die. That's a migraine to be proud of. Not those silly little headaches. This thing wanted to kill me, and I respect that. You don't see work ethic like that from today's average migraine.

2007-01-13 22:35:06
104.   Bob Timmermann
I hope you just get migraines and don't get cluster headaches.

Do you have any meds for them or do you just go off to a dark room and hope that it goes away?
You're in the prime age for adult males to start developing migraines on a regular basis.

2007-01-13 22:37:18
105.   Andrew Shimmin
99- Thanks for trying, Bob. Hope it didn't spoil her mood.

Now that Ms. Selin has let on which school it was, I'm pretty sure all I need do is email my way through the staff directory, helpfully posted on-line. I started with the catch all email address, but will start emailing individuals next Tuesday, if I don't get an answer to that inquiry. If I don't know by Wednesday, I'll be picketing the school, sans hula hoop, on Thursday. That'll learn 'em.

2007-01-13 22:42:49
106.   Greg Brock
I started getting them in high school (I got one in the middle of a baseball game once! Try batting with a migraine aura...Or don't). I was supposed to tell the Navy when I enlisted, but I didn't. I never got one in the entire four years I was in. They came back my senior year at UCLA. I get them about three times a year.

No meds. take a ton of ibuprofen, turn out all the lights, lay in bed for about four hours.

2007-01-13 22:50:48
107.   Bob Timmermann
My brother's migraines got so bad that he went through all the normal treatments and ended up with the experimental treatment of lithium.

Got rid of the migraines and cleared up that nasty bipolar disorder too.

2007-01-13 22:57:46
108.   Gagne55
96 Speaking of offensive signs, did anybody see the chick wearing the shirt that violated Jon's rule #1. I was shocked that the camera would have showed her.
2007-01-13 23:47:46
109.   Greg Brock
Sealand is for sale. Quick, somebody help me buy it before Pirate Bay gets it. I've always wanted my own nation.

2007-01-13 23:56:37
110.   thinkingblue
TSN thinks Philly has the number 1 rotation in the National league. Not that I'm gonna get angry over that, but am I missing someting here?
2007-01-14 00:06:21
111.   Andrew Shimmin
Have you seen Sealand? Tell me that's worth fifty grand.

2007-01-14 00:10:40
112.   Greg Brock
111 Actually, it's going for around half a billion dollars. Gizmodo has some good stuff about it over there as well.

If anybody would get in on this Andrew, I know it will be you.

2007-01-14 00:11:58
113.   Andrew Shimmin
And by fifty grand, apparently I meant a thousand times that much. I got the fifty grand total from the user forum, which must not be very clever.
2007-01-14 00:12:01
114.   Greg Brock
Actually, Gizmodo says around a billion dollars (appraisal from Spain)
2007-01-14 00:12:33
115.   Andrew Shimmin
Or ten thousand times. Whatever. I hate so much about math.
2007-01-14 00:15:02
116.   Andrew Shimmin
Or twenty thousand. . .Jeez. Wikipedia says the residents are soliciting bids of at least eight digits (in Euros), so it sounds pretty elastic. I'm going to email a bid of two bits, just to get the ball rolling.

It was on fire, last year. That should bring the price down, some.

2007-01-14 00:19:00
117.   Andrew Shimmin
I think it would be a bad idea for copyright infringers to start a country. Just because Sony can't design an mp3 player that doesn't suck, doesn't mean they couldn't build a cruise missile.
2007-01-14 00:19:25
118.   Greg Brock
I would much rather have Minerva. The Tongan military can't be that tough to take, can it? I bet all the DT peeps could unite and take it (But I get to be Prime Minister, kay?).

2007-01-14 00:27:48
119.   Andrew Shimmin
You start one more fight with the Tongan military, and, as Ch-i is my witness, there will be grievous repercussions, Brock. GRIEVOUS. Although, Samoa is right near by, if you needed mercenaries. And you could pay them less than the minimum wage. . .
2007-01-14 00:34:52
120.   Greg Brock
It's not my fault. The Tongan military is always provokin' me...

I think we could build a pretty great country. One-party rule, of course (Whigs). Nuclear power plant, build a Walmart, pretty sweet frisbee-golf team. Minerva has a terrible flag...Gotta get some design guys on fixing that. Barter economy (never enough love for the barter economy).

2007-01-14 00:59:46
121.   Andrew Shimmin
The thing is, you start a fight with Tongans, it makes it tough on people to get your back. Tongans are big. Try starting a fight with the Justin Timberlake gang, from that movie, and I'll be there with bells on.
2007-01-14 01:00:38
122.   LAT
Of course I have to hate the Beckham's because I hate anyone who likes Tom Cruise. But the best line of the article was "But he said yesterday the money and celebrity status weren't reasons for his move." How does someone holdout for a quarter of a BILLION dollars and then say its not about the money? When people say its not about the money, its always about the money. Wouldn't you agree Messers. Bonds, Gagne and Zito, et al?
2007-01-14 01:05:31
123.   Greg Brock
It's not about the money. It's about all the cool stuff you can buy with the money.

They're not handing out iPhones and cordless shoes for free (are they handing out iPhones for free?).

2007-01-14 03:28:55
124.   overkill94
110 It's better than I thought it was:

1. Bretty Myers
2. Freddy Garcia
3. Cole Hamels
4. Jamie Moyer
5. Adam Eaton
6. Jon Lieber (will be traded soon)

Myers is the closest thing they have to an ace with Hamels the future, but all-around it's pretty dang good. I like ours a little better, but I can see a case being made for theirs.

2007-01-14 10:08:44
125.   hotblackdesiato
Is there a Delino Deshields, Jr.? Perhaps we could sign him, then trade for Pedro E.
2007-01-14 10:24:59
126.   Bob Timmermann
Then our favorite commenter will have to change his handle to DJ4PE
2007-01-14 10:29:54
127.   KAYVMON
For anybody with Fox Soccer channel, I highly recommend the Newcastle-Tottenham game of this morning. It was highly entertaining and they will replay it at 2PM pacific time this afternoon.
2007-01-14 10:32:49
128.   KAYVMON
And I am a highly poor writer this morning.
2007-01-14 10:41:28
129.   Bob Timmermann
I believe there will be coal!
2007-01-14 11:02:12
130.   D4P
Then our favorite commenter will have to change his handle to DJ4PE

How do you get "DJ4PE" from "JoeyP"...?

2007-01-14 11:08:01
131.   Bob Timmermann
Well, you're both big Rams fans.
2007-01-14 11:12:41
132.   D4P
I was a big Rams fan until the Super Bowl loss to New England. Since then, football has been mostly dead to me.
2007-01-14 11:13:27
133.   Bob Timmermann
New England has since been officially designated as a good team so you shouldn't feel sad.
2007-01-14 11:22:21
134.   D4P
New England's subsequent success doesn't make it any easier. The Rams were still the better team at the time, and had they won, probably would have been considered one of the all-time greats.

But Martz ruined it.

2007-01-14 11:39:12
135.   Icaros
That loss to New England was the worst, but I promised myself before the Tennessee game two years earlier that if they could just win the Superbowl this one time, I'd accept whatever horrible things happened afterwards.

Because before 1999, it looked like the Rams would never even have another winning season, much less ever win a Superbowl.

2007-01-14 12:04:22
136.   thinkingblue
1. Bretty Myers
2. Freddy Garcia
3. Cole Hamels
4. Jamie Moyer
5. Adam Eaton
6. Jon Lieber (will be traded soon)

That looks pretty dang average at best to me. I mean, beyond Brett Myers, Freddy Garcia is average at best, Cole Hamels has some potential, but Jamey Moyer? Adam Eaton? I'm sorry, this isn't the best rotation, even in the NL East IMO, I think the Marlins have more potential. And the dodgers and Padres rotations are absolutely better than the Phillies right now anyway.

2007-01-14 13:25:09
137.   D4P
It's true, but the team that lost to New England seemed so much better than the team that beat Tennessee. I would have felt different if they had snuck into the playoffs and were the underdogs. But they weren't. They were a juggernaut that should have won it all.
2007-01-14 13:27:43
138.   Greg Brock
Angelinos who remain Rams fans are on notice.
2007-01-14 13:33:20
139.   D4P
Angelinos who remain Rams fans >>> Angelinos who remain Raiders fans
2007-01-14 13:35:33
140.   Icaros
Good thing I'm not an Angelino, even though I'm a bigger Rams fan than anyone in Angelino and always have been.
2007-01-14 13:41:12
141.   das411
108 - you mean this?

136 - Cole Hamels has "some potential"? That is like saying Barry Bonds has hit "some" home runs! Garcia has averaged at least 200 innings and a 4 ERA against AL hitters his entire career, and Moyer + Eaton are far more reliable at this point than Anakin Sanchez and whichever young back of the rotation arms the LAD, Padres, or Marlins go with...

And it would make an interesting argument to debate which team has changed the NFL more over the last decade or so, those '99-01 Rams or the 01-04 Patriots.

Meanwhile, how about ex-PSUer Robby Gould???

2007-01-14 13:41:21
142.   Jon Weisman
138 - I'm neither still a Ram fan nor someone who calls himself an Angelino, but why wouldn't you be allowed to still root for the team even after they left town?
2007-01-14 13:46:58
143.   Greg Brock
142 Oh, any fan is free to root for whomever they wish (of course). I've just always been very territorial about rooting allegiances. I'm not a Dodger fan because their uniforms are cool, I'm a Dodger fan because they represent my geographic location.

The Rams decided that they no longer wished to play in Los Angeles, and left my city NFL-less. They left a devoted fan base for a sweetheart deal in St. Louis, and immediately became a good team again. It just bothers me.

2007-01-14 13:59:36
144.   Andrew Shimmin
Cellphone captured video,
off an NTSC television.
But there was the promise,
of a young woman,
wearing a t-shirt,
with a dirty word on it.

So I watched it.

2007-01-14 14:28:13
145.   SoSG Orel
102. Did your cat blame the positive test on the dog?
2007-01-14 14:33:13
146.   Icaros

They did not immediately become a good team again. They were terrible for the first four years in St. Louis until completely turning things around in '99-'00.

2007-01-14 14:49:33
147.   LAT
Hyman Roth sighting on Spike TV
2007-01-14 14:49:41
148.   Greg Brock
146 Fair enough. Remove "immediately" and I stand by everything else.
2007-01-14 16:13:18
149.   Bob Timmermann

Residents of Los Angeles should be called "Angelenos"

However, I will grant the honorable Mr. Brock leave because there is a neighorhood in L.A. called "Angelino Heights"

2007-01-14 16:15:57
150.   overkill94
136 Well, you can break it down this way...

Brett Myers and Brad Penny are about a wash with both having the potential to be aces.

Randy Wolf and Adam Eaton are a wash since both are coming back from injuries and are considered question marks (with the potential to be very good).

Derek Lowe is a medium-sized upgrade over Moyer. Neither has the potential to be a true ace anymore, but Lowe's ERA should remain a full half run lower than Moyer's.

Jason Schmidt is a medium-sized upgrade over Freddy Garcia once you adjust for Garcia coming to the NL and a possible Schmidt semi-decline.

Billingsley and Hamels are about even right now with Hamels having a bit more potential. Either could have breakout campaigns and either could flop.

So right now, I do see the Dodgers' rotation as better, but if Hamels becomes the dominant pitcher many think he will be and Billingsley doesn't take a step forward, I could see him putting the Phillies' rotation over the top.

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2007-01-14 16:18:52
151.   overkill94
I've never been one to change my allegiances unless a team does something extremely drastic to change my opinion of them. Since I didn't live in LA when the Rams were around, it didn't both me too much when they left. What was I supposed to do, become a Niners fan?
2007-01-14 16:24:56
152.   godvls
127 - I'm gutted by that game. For a Spurs fan, it was absolutely devastating. To lose at home in that manner was demoralizing. Tottenham better step up in the FA Cup against Cardiff.
Come on you Spurs!
2007-01-14 16:38:15
153.   Bob Timmermann
Am I allowed to root for the Chargers?

I'm testing the waters here. Granted they are ahead of New England now, but I'm just curious as to the niceties of these things.

2007-01-14 16:39:27
154.   Greg Brock
You're allowed to root for whomever you wish. After all, you root for Southern Cal. Bridges were burned a long time ago.
2007-01-14 16:42:37
155.   Greg Brock
Again, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on Rams fans. Sports is the toy department of life, and people just root for the teams they like. I, personally, just don't understand why somebody would root for a team that basically says to you "We don't need your city, we don't need your support, and we don't care about staying here. There's another city over here that loves us more, and so we're leaving. Have a nice day."
2007-01-14 16:43:39
156.   Bob Timmermann

And you wonder why people in Brooklyn are still angry....

2007-01-14 16:45:42
157.   Greg Brock
If I lived in Brooklyn, I would wish the Dodgers nothing but ill fortune.
2007-01-14 16:47:28
158.   hotblackdesiato
I've always been a Niners fan. It just sort of happened. My dad and I would play one-on-one sports when I was a kid, and we'd both choose teams and then buy their jersey to wear during games. I was lucky enough to get the Dodgers, but he nabbed the Raiders. While I was just becoming cognisant of the NFL at that age (I was indoctrinated much more and earlier as a baseball fan), I was aware enough to know that I didn't want to be the Rams. So, just as Steve Young was beginning to step into Joe Montana's shoes, I wound up getting a Niners jersey and the rest, as they say, was history.

Now when I create a QB in Madden, he's always a speedy lefty, even though I'm a tall, immobile righty. A lifetime of playing as Young forever shaped my Madden style.

2007-01-14 16:48:06
159.   Bob Timmermann
And I think we can see why Walter O'Malley will never be in the Hall of Fame.
2007-01-14 16:49:46
160.   Bob Timmermann
I've disliked the Niners since John Brodie was the quarterback. If I went back in time, I would have hated Y.A. Tittle.

The only Niners players I've liked have been Randy Cross and Ken Norton.

And maybe Steve Bono.

2007-01-14 16:54:54
161.   Greg Brock
Man, it sure is tough to kill the New England Patriots.
2007-01-14 16:59:32
162.   Bob Timmermann
That's because Bill Belichick is the world's smartest man and Tom Brady has a heart the size of David Eckstein.

And he's dreamy-looking too!

2007-01-14 16:59:36
163.   Andrew Shimmin
Pro football is better when the 49ers are good.
2007-01-14 17:00:29
164.   Greg Brock
163 Troublemaker
2007-01-14 17:00:59
165.   D4P
If David Eckstein were a golfer:

2007-01-14 17:03:25
166.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that Dallas is the Notre Dame of the NFL.

Except the Cowboys tend to have a lot more players who get arrested.

2007-01-14 17:04:09
167.   Greg Brock
Yes, but Tadd Fujikawa shot a 66, which is under par, thus above average. Therefore, Tadd Fujikawa cannot be David Eckstein, because he is an above average golfer.
2007-01-14 17:09:37
168.   D4P
Pro football is better when the "Patriots" lose.
2007-01-14 17:12:27
169.   Greg Brock
As long as professional football has fantasy leagues and point spreads, it doesn't matter who is good and who is bad.
2007-01-14 17:15:16
170.   Bob Timmermann
The fact that Matt Cassell has a fulltime NFL job is a mystery that needs to be investigated by the "In Search Of..." crew.

Cassell barely played when he was at USC, although Pete Carroll came close to putting him in as a starter when Matt Leinart struggled a little in USC's loss at Cal.

2007-01-14 17:19:19
171.   Greg Brock
So, is the conventional wisdom that this is Marty Schottenheimer's fault?

I just need to know the NFL groupthink story.

2007-01-14 17:22:26
172.   Bob Timmermann
You will have to wait for Bill Simmons to tell you what really happened. Look for a column full of inside jokes, reminiscences about Patriots players from the early 1980s, digs at Pete Carroll, and a long story about how LaDanian Tomlinson isn't very good.

Simmons already wrote this column and will just hit "send" now. Then he will go look at his paycheck with many, many zeroes and commas in it and laugh.

2007-01-14 17:27:54
173.   Greg Brock
Yes, but is Tom Brady really Daniel LaRusso? And is Belichick Mr. Miyagi?

And who is the Golf n Stuff?

2007-01-14 17:38:17
174.   Bob Timmermann
Booomer Esiason and Shannon Sharpe blamed Marty Schottenheimer for the loss because of the ill-advised replay challenge.
2007-01-14 17:42:07
175.   Bumsrap
It is not like people need football in the winter in LA like they do where the sun doesn't shine and the water is frozen.

One of my favorite things about LA is that they have repeatedly told the NFL to fund their own show.

The Rams have never been the Rams since Georgia inherited the team, told her step-son to leave, funded the opera instead of her team, traded Hacksaw Reynolds and Fred Dyer and failed to trade up to get Ron Lott. She roll model has to be the owners of the AZ Cardinals and the LA Clippers.

Her reward for destroying a franchise was to get everything for free from St. Louis.

2007-01-14 17:48:07
176.   Bob Timmermann
Living in St. Louis is the greatest reward! It's God's favorite city!
2007-01-14 17:50:06
177.   Bumsrap
Yea, they have McD-arches
2007-01-14 17:51:42
178.   Bumsrap
God's second favorite then would have to be Buffalo.
2007-01-14 17:53:00
179.   Bumsrap
#3 Des Moines?
2007-01-14 17:53:21
180.   Uncle Miltie
Great game in Tucson so far between the Ducks and the Wildcats.
2007-01-14 17:53:32
181.   Marty
Too bad for San Diego. Everything turned on that fumbled interception. It would have been nice for Schottzieheimer to win one, he has such a great first name. But I also like New England. I think they can beat anyone coming out of the national conference. However, if New Orleans gets there I'll be rooting for them.
2007-01-14 17:54:54
182.   Marty
Dubuque's motto is "A place to live".

That's pretty much Iowa in a nutshell.

2007-01-14 17:58:11
183.   ToyCannon
In 2005 David Eckstein had a VORP of 32 good for 34th in the league and 5th best for a SS. I'm not as good with math as the rest of you wizards of Westwood but I'd wager that was an above average year for a SS using anyone's slide rule.
2007-01-14 17:58:28
184.   Bumsrap
181 Or the fumbled punt and stupid attempt to pick it up and crawl with it. Or the attempted head butt penalty that gave the Patriots a first down. Or the review of the interception/fumble and loss of a time out.

It seems like I could go on and on

2007-01-14 18:02:33
185.   ToyCannon
Cleveland and KC fans are saying I told you so but you can't lay this one on Marty. All around a good day of football but I was hoping for a New Orleans/SD super bowl. As long as the Bears don't make I'll be happy with whoever the AFC throws at the NFC.
2007-01-14 18:03:36
186.   Greg Brock
Ecksteins EQA (2005): .267
League Average: .266
Eck's 2006 EQA? .244

2006 OPS+? 81...Same as Juan Pierre.

2007-01-14 18:03:50
187.   Bob Timmermann

By the process of elimination, you would be rooting for New Orleans then.

2007-01-14 18:07:59
188.   Greg Brock
Ooh, I actually think Eckstein's 2005 EQA is above average. My sincerest apologies. League average is .260. Sorry.

Career EQA? .253

2007-01-14 18:15:07
189.   Bob Timmermann
The word of the day from the OED just came to my e-mail:

It's "disabled list." The OED says its first use was in 1864 by the Union Army during the Civil War. The first baseball reference they have is from 1887.

2007-01-14 18:17:25
190.   Andrew Shimmin
Marcell Projections are out. Nomar is projected to out OPS Hee Seop Choi by nine points (technically nine thousandths of a point, but that gets cumbersome). Aybar over Betemit by sixteen points. PT Loney atop all other Dodgers.

Actually, how hard would it be to just post them:

Loney .288/.357/.498
Kent .280/.358/.485
Ethier .305/.368/.473
Saenz .272/.336/.492
Nomar .291/.348/.470
Martin .288/.360/.452
Betemit .281/.344/.456
Furry .289/.357/.441
Gonzalez .261/.349/.445
Kemp .273/.330/.461
Lieberthal .266/.328/.437
Anderson .272/.327/.438
[page break]
Pierre .295/.342/.391

Other notables:
Wilber .292/.376/.439
Beltre .284/.340/.493
Choi .263/.352/.459
Milton Bradley .277/.359/.448
JtD .278/.355/.439
Piazza .262/.334/.454
Melky Cabrera .289/.365/.422
Werth .258/.343/.435
Dioner .277/.355/.412
Lugo .282/.346/.414
Lofton .292/.353/.398
Robles .266/.333/.386
Eckstein .286/.349/.370
Grabowski .237/.308/.400

2007-01-14 18:18:29
191.   Bob Timmermann
Where do we sign this [page break] fellow?
2007-01-14 18:21:13
192.   Greg Brock
This will be a fun game. We'll see if Juan Pierre out OBP's, Slugs, OPS's, Vorp's, and Warp3's Mr. Scrappy McBigheart.

Smig versus Bullet Head.

2007-01-14 18:23:10
193.   Andrew Shimmin
"[page break]" was my way of apologizing for the long post. And taking a shot at JP. Both of which I deemed necessary.
2007-01-14 18:23:42
194.   Gen3Blue
I admit that I am not much of a football fan, and being from Ma., I'm the worst kind of fair weather Patriots fan. I guess I am pleased, but I don't understand this talk on the networks of how San Diego were poor sports after the game, and now suggestions that both teams conduct was less than perfect. This is the heat of the moment and I didn't see any big deal.
2007-01-14 18:30:46
195.   natepurcell
U of A! U of A! U of A!
2007-01-14 18:30:59
196.   Bob Timmermann
On Tuesday, Gregg Easterbrook will tell us about all the tactical errors that Schottenheimer made and how the Chargers would have won if not for one small matter. He will probably complain about a blitz.

Then he will talk about "Star Trek." Then he will complain about political ethics. Then about religions. Then several pictures of cheerleaders. Then he will blame Harvey Fierstein for the Chargers loss.

2007-01-14 18:32:59
197.   Bob Timmermann
U of O! U of O! Go Nike!
2007-01-14 18:36:05
198.   Greg Brock


2007-01-14 18:37:51
199.   D4P
There was a time when U of O and Nike were not synonymous.
2007-01-14 18:38:30
200.   natepurcell
marcus williams is having a beast of a game.
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2007-01-14 18:39:25
201.   natepurcell
shakur dazzles!
2007-01-14 18:41:14
202.   D4P
A grand total of 11 players have scored in the game thus far.
2007-01-14 18:41:49
203.   natepurcell

arizona basically has a 2 man bench.

2007-01-14 18:46:24
204.   Greg Brock
I don't know what to make of Arizona. They sure are talented, but it doesn't seem like they play a very disciplined brand of basketball.

What's the deal, Nate?

2007-01-14 18:50:12
205.   natepurcell

arizona isnt a very big team. it would be very hard for them to beat a team that has a couple of big time paint players. but they are so fun to watch if you like offense. All 5 starting players have the ability to pass, shoot the 3, post up and penetrate.

2007-01-14 18:53:19
206.   godvls
I guess that's probably not an appropriate chant right now, what with Devils well on their way to an 0-18 Pac 10 season, especially coming off of a godawful football season.

I must be getting really old. ASU dominated UofA in basketball when I was in school.

2007-01-14 18:54:25
207.   natepurcell
stupid play.
2007-01-14 18:55:50
208.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, you must have been at ASU during the hedyay of Ned Wulk!

You must have remembered Byron Scott's college years! And losing at home in the NCAA tournament in 1980 right after UCLA had upset #1 DePaul.

Mark Aguirre cried after that game.

Good times...

2007-01-14 18:57:12
209.   Bob Timmermann
I want this game to end in regulation so I can go engage in non-Xeifrank approved activities.
2007-01-14 18:58:27
210.   natepurcell
oh my god thats ridiculous.
2007-01-14 18:58:37
211.   Greg Brock
209 I would respond...But he's out there...watching us.
2007-01-14 19:00:02
212.   Greg Brock
Is that girl really crying over a regular season Pac-10 game?


2007-01-14 19:03:00
213.   D4P
Wow. I am seriously shocked that Oregon won at Arizona. Oregon never wins at Arizona.
2007-01-14 19:04:04
214.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon had lost 18 of its last 19 at Arizona.

Most Pac-10 teams not named Stanford or UCLA ever win in Tucson.

2007-01-14 19:05:09
215.   D4P
Through 17 games, Oregon's only loss is a 2-point defeat at the hands of USC.

I would not have predicted that.

2007-01-14 19:07:18
216.   Bob Timmermann
I would assume Oregon goes in to the Top 10 now.

And then back home for home games against the Bay Area schools. Which should be winnable. But then a trip to the Washingtons.

2007-01-14 19:08:43
217.   godvls
208 - Yep, the last three years of the Ned Wulk era. After stellar seasons in 1980 and '81, the fans turned on him. In 1982, chants of "No More Ned" were common in the UAC. The fans got their wish; he was fired after the season and it's been a downhill spiral ever since.

I was there for the UCLA-DePaul game. Great game. That was an amazing run the Bruins had in the tournament that year.

Those Devil teams led by Lafayette Lever and company were terrific. Byron Scott was a great talent, but Fat was the engine that ran those teams.

2007-01-14 19:12:47
218.   Bob Timmermann
I bring this up to be pedantic, not to be mean, but ASU is the only Pac-10 team never to make it to the Final Four.

U of A is the only Pac-10 team not to play in the Rose Bowl.

See, I'm a fair man.

2007-01-14 19:16:03
219.   D4P
Oregon is the only team to win the first NCAA basketball championship and then not win one since.
2007-01-14 19:18:49
220.   Bob Timmermann
If the Pac-10 basketball tournament started today:

Stanford (7) vs. Arizona St. (10)
Oregon State (8) vs. Washington (9)

Oregon (1) vs. ASU/OSU/Washington
UCLA (2) vs. Stanford/OSU/UW
Wazzu (3) vs. Cal (6)
Arizona (4) vs. USC (5)

2007-01-14 19:22:41
221.   Xeifrank
209. I hope you aren't planning robbing a liquor store or god forbid buying a lotto ticket! vr, Xei
2007-01-14 19:48:24
222.   Uncle Miltie
Wow, what a game. I can't wait to go to Oregon in a week (and most likely go to a game).

Marcus Williams was a beast tonight - he's definitely gone after this year. Budinger was a complete no show for Arizona. I was really impressed with how Oregon played as a team; a really balanced scoring attack. Everyone knows how good Aaron Brooks is. Malik Hairston was one of the top high school players in the country and chose Oregon over UCLA. The two guys who have really gone under the radar are Bryce Taylor and Maarty Leunen (must have dyslexic parents). Taylor is one of the most underrated players in the pac 10. He's quick, can score from anywhere on the court and is just a really good athlete. I believe that he played again Arron Afflalo in high school. Afflalo is a better defensive player, but Taylor is a better athlete and finisher.

Leunen has really impressed me this year. He can play inside or step out and shoot the 3. He's kind of lanky, but plays pretty tough defense inside. I love his versatility on the offensive end though. He has really developed into a nice player this year.

2007-01-14 19:53:00
223.   Bob Timmermann
Maarty Leunen (must have dyslexic parents)

Or just ones who are Dutch.

2007-01-14 19:57:59
224.   Icaros
I loved Fat Lever. He's in my all-time favorite 80s backcourt along with Alvin Robertson. Bernard King, Tom Chambers, and Terry Cummings up front.

We don't need a center.

2007-01-14 19:58:33
225.   D4P
I can't wait to go to Oregon in a week

Are you just going for a visit? Will this be your first time there?

2007-01-14 19:59:26
226.   Greg Brock
224 No Alex English?

But he was Amazing Grace Smith!

2007-01-14 20:04:04
227.   Uncle Miltie
Are you just going for a visit? Will this be your first time there?
I've been to Portland a few times, but I'm going to Eugene to visit the school. U of O is the only school that I applied to that I haven't actually seen in person.
2007-01-14 20:04:29
228.   D4P
Call me crazy, but my 80s backcourt includes Ervin Johnson.
2007-01-14 20:05:53
229.   D4P
Have you been accepted to Oregon yet? Have you made a decision?
2007-01-14 20:10:03
230.   Steve
Marcel projects performance in the Japanese minor leagues? I don't believe it. And if I did, Grabowski will never get above .275/.350 OBP/SLG anyway.
2007-01-14 20:11:47
231.   Icaros

Alex English is battling for the sixth-man role with Xavier McDaniel.


Of course, but what fun is listing Magic, Jordan, Bird, Malone, Olajuwon? You could maybe debate Barkley vs. Malone or Ewing vs. Hakeem, but there's little room for creative license.

2007-01-14 20:15:49
232.   D4P
All-time Favorite Free-throw Shooting Styles (in no particular order, and probably forgetting a lot of players):

1. Adrian Dantley
2. Bo Kimble
3. Byron Scott
4. Glenn Rice
5. Rasheed Wallace

Dishonorable Mention:

1. Jeff Hornacek
2. Bill Cartwright
3. Shaq

2007-01-14 20:15:56
233.   Uncle Miltie
229- not yet, but I think I'll get in. They need my Fall transcript (which I should receive from my school sometime this week) before they can evaluate my application. I already talked to an admissions counselor over the phone and she told me that my chances of getting in are good.
2007-01-14 20:16:10
234.   Greg Brock
Could you really debate Barkley vs. Malone?

I dislike Malone immensely, but credit where credit's due...

2007-01-14 20:19:14
235.   Icaros

I said maybe you could, but I wouldn't. And I actually really liked Malone in his one (half) season in LA. I still think the Lakers beat Detroit that year if he doesn't go down.

2007-01-14 20:22:12
236.   D4P
Cool. That'll make 3 Ducks around here, though Daniel is probably more of a Cougar at heart...

I still think the Lakers beat Detroit that year if he doesn't go down.

He certainly would have helped. Course, the Lakers had to beat some very good teams just to get to the Finals, while Detroit walked over a bunch of patsies. I considered the Laker-Spur matchup to be the actual Final that year.

2007-01-14 20:29:06
237.   Uncle Miltie
236- I'm just hoping that I like the school/area because I love their econ program. The biggest complaints I've heard about the school center around the dorms and the weather.
2007-01-14 20:31:04
238.   Greg Brock
237 I haven't met a single Oregon grad who doesn't absolutely adore the school.
2007-01-14 20:31:13
239.   Andrew Shimmin
Pitching Marcels


Schmidt 3.99_184.0_163_75_19

Broxton 3.67__65.0_68_27__6
[page break]


2007-01-14 20:34:53
240.   Greg Brock
Instead of "Lurch" I think we should call Mark Hendrickson "Page Break"
2007-01-14 20:36:03
241.   D4P
The dorms are old and the rooms are very small. They built a new dorm this past year, the first since the 1960s I believe. But they're not that bad, if you're planning on living in one.

The weather bothers people who like the sun.

The econ department is great. Try to take classes with Whitelaw, Blonigen, and Harbaugh.

2007-01-14 20:36:33
242.   Andrew Shimmin

Odalis 4.96 126.0 83 34 17

2007-01-14 20:43:38
243.   Steve
Those must be Hendrickson's Japanese minor league numbers too.
2007-01-14 20:48:45
244.   Andrew Shimmin
243- How about FToGS's projection?
2007-01-14 20:50:50
245.   Andrew Shimmin
And what kind of a list would it be without the Cuban Missile Crisis, himself?

Baez 4.14 62.0 45 23 6

2007-01-14 20:51:02
246.   Steve
I suppose anything can happen. Pitching for the Royals, it can hardly matter.
2007-01-14 20:58:09
247.   ToyCannon
According to BP the average EQA for a SS in 2006 was 252. I don't have the 2005 number but I expect it is not much different. Why would you use the overall league average EQA when trying to compare numbers? Some seasons he's under average some season he's above average. In 2005 he was above average, in 2006 he was below average. For the rest of his career given his size and age he'll probably be below average as his body breaks down more and more but if the golfer you mentioned even sniffs some of the success Eckstein has had in his professional career he'll be a happy camper.
2007-01-14 21:02:35
248.   Orly Yarly NoWai
236 With a fully healthy Malone to play D on Rasheed Wallace, I think the Lakers would have won. I was a Utah fan during their heyday mostly because of Stockton, but Malone was a rebounding beast.
2007-01-14 21:08:27
249.   Greg Brock
Pulling Eckstein's 2005 year as a reflection of his entire career is a big time cherry pick. His entire career has been mediocre to below average. You like him because of his diminutive body...That's cool. It's a great story for all the midgets out there who want to play baseball. I respect that. But David Eckstein is an average baseball player who gets shoved in my face because he's small. You have to understand how that could bother people.
2007-01-14 21:08:58
250.   das411
150 - Just to let you know I did see this and am not ignoring it, these are all pretty good comps. The only differences I see would be to give a slight edge to Myers over Penny due to the constant conditioning questions that #31 has (ie if Myers can keep his hands off of his wife last season he starts at least 33 times) and that Hamels is already well on his way towards becoming what everybody still sees Billingsley as a year or two away from being. Cole's final numbers were not great, but take out his first start and the day he got bombed by the Cubs due to a finger injury and he pitched as well as anybody in the league from July onward.

Either way, here's hoping the 2007 NLCS settles this question once and for all!

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2007-01-14 21:09:36
251.   Bob Timmermann
Is Jon Rauch the only baseball player anyone likes just because he is freakishly tall.
2007-01-14 21:10:03
252.   Greg Brock
And any objective analysis proves that Juan Pierre is a vastly better baseball player. And that alone is grounds for ridicule.
2007-01-14 21:12:11
253.   Andrew Shimmin
The 2007 Royals will be the 2004 Dodgers. Alex Gordon in the Beltre role. Hochevar as Gagne (sorry; I'd have made him Kevin Brown, if only he'd lasted another year). Grienke as Odalis. Odalis as Lima. I'm telling you.

Book it.

2007-01-14 21:12:12
254.   D4P
Is your non-XeiFrank approved activity over already...?
2007-01-14 21:13:22
255.   Andrew Shimmin
251- I like Pelfrey, mostly because he's tall.
2007-01-14 21:14:43
256.   Steve
Speaking for myself, I like Gigantor because Frank Robinson misuses him.
2007-01-14 21:17:46
257.   Bob Timmermann

Wrong tense! Wrong tense!

2007-01-14 21:19:04
258.   Xeifrank
254. My gut tells me, that Bob's activity wasn't approved by anybody on DT. I'm sure he is typing up his trip notes. I wonder if he uses a spell-checker or just has the dictionary memorized? :)
vr, Xei
2007-01-14 21:20:39
259.   Bob Timmermann
I am multitasking.
2007-01-14 21:21:01
260.   Uncle Miltie
Is Jon Rauch the only baseball player anyone likes just because he is freakishly tall.
No, I like BJ for the same reason (but mostly because of his lumberman-like beard)
2007-01-14 21:22:13
261.   Steve
I like to think that Frank Robinson misuses the Nationals ex officio.

Anyway, I have a question. If I were to happen to be somewhere in the vicinity of Andrew's favorite state sometime near the end of February, and might have a day or two to drive to Vero Beach to see Dodgertown, my question is, is there enough to see baseball-wise to make such a trip worth it before ST games start?

2007-01-14 21:26:37
262.   Bob Timmermann

The thought of Frank Robinson ever working in Organized Baseball again makes me nauseous.

2007-01-14 21:34:39
263.   Daniel Zappala
236,237 I have a real soft spot for Oregon. I would definitely root for them over most other Pac-10 schools. I just won't get quite so excited and wrapped up in their sports any more since I don't teach there now. On the other hand, it's hard to root for BYU in basketball since there is not much hope they will do anything significant. I'm in no-mans land with respect to college sports right now. Please, can the baseball season start soon?

Oregon weather is not too bad. Sure it rains, but the spring and summer time is beautiful and not too warm. All the rain makes for a beautiful landscape, so if you are a hiking nut like me it is a great place to live. There are wonderful gardens within walking distance of the Oregon campus. Rafting is awesome too -- take advantage of the programs available at Oregon.

Also, I will never ever complain about Oregon weather again, not after living through a Utah winter. Sure, it doesn't rain so much, but after a snow storm it can get just downright cold. It "warmed" up to about 10 today after a low of 3. Unusual for Utah, but certainly never in the realm of possibility in Oregon. We might be above freezing by the end of the week.

There is nothing like a frigid winter to make you look forward to baseball again. Yes, please, can the baseball season start soon?

2007-01-14 21:39:49
264.   Bob Timmermann
Take heart, the BYU men's volleyball team just pulled off back-to-back three set sweeps of defending champion UCLA in Provo.
2007-01-14 21:55:33
265.   Jon Weisman
261 - I would think that if pitchers and catchers have reported, my guess would be yes.

Unless Andrew's favorite state is Vermont. Then the drive might not be worth it.

2007-01-14 21:59:35
266.   Andrew Shimmin
If pitchers have reported, and Steve shows up, I hope they've got metal detectors at the visitors entrance.
2007-01-14 22:04:23
267.   Jon Weisman
New post just a short jaunt north of this one.
2007-01-15 09:29:30
268.   Indiana Jon
In my opinion, yes there is plenty to see. I haven't been in a few years, but when I did go there was alot going on even when the team was at an away game. Always some practice games, pitchers throwing, batting practice etc. It's also a very good time to get autographs if you're into that. It's not as nice down there as it was back in the 80's, but still should be worth the trip.

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