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The Fate of Hiro Nakamura's Alter Ego?
2007-01-17 15:12
by Jon Weisman


Jack Walsh was not popular with the Chicago Police Department, and ex-Dodger Norihiro Nakamura is not popular with the Orix Buffaloes - or, for that matter, Jim Allen of the Daily Yomiuri:

It should probably have never come to this, but the Orix Buffaloes have turned Norihiro Nakamura out on the street to seek the fortune they are no longer willing to pay him.

After a season in which he earned 200 million yen and was even outproduced by Kazuhiro Kiyohara, who is nearly six years older, Nakamura complained bitterly about his treatment and is now looking for someone who cares enough to listen. The one-time rising star with a superb swing and a chronic weight problem now just can't seem to fit in. ...

It just gets snarkier and snarkier. Time for Hiro to buy more time?

By the way, I met Masi Oka (the actor who plays Hiro on Heroes) Tuesday. More about that later if time permits.

Previously on Dodger Thoughts ... May 9, 2005:

This week, Oscar Robles, an infielder who is younger than Norihiro Nakamura and more versatile and whose path is where "off the beaten path" goes to get away from it all, joins the Dodgers. And Nakamura says so long, for now if not ever, on an almost heartbreaking note (passed along by Steve Henson of the Times) even for those who never believed in him:

"If they told me to go to the minors and get at-bats and come back to the Dodgers, I would feel better, but they didn't say that," a distraught Nakamura told a Japanese reporter.

And as for his Dodger beginnings: "Nakamura, Up and Down" (February 4, 2005) and "'We Don't Need a Norihiro' - Or Do We?" (January 31, 2005). Lots of coverage in between of his ill-fated voyage in a Dodger uniform, too.

* * *

The Dodgers made the playoffs despite dreadful Aprils from middle infielders Jeff Kent and Rafael Furcal. Could the promise of a better spring boost the team's chances? Ken Gurnick of wonders ...

Furcal proved to be a bargain, as he shook off early season nagging injuries and a spate of errors to emerge as the most consistent offensive player on the team. He hit .300, provided significant power leading off with 15 homers and scored 113 runs, the most for a Dodgers leadoff hitter since Maury Wills (130) in 1962.

But Kent's (contract extention) remains puzzling, as his body appeared every bit of its 38 years. He played in only 115 games and, despite a .294 average, hit only 14 home runs and drove in 68, his worst run production in a decade.

Kent spent two stints on the disabled list, one for a sprained wrist from late May to mid-June, another for a strained oblique muscle from mid-July until early August. He turned himself into a singles and doubles hitter over the final six weeks of the season, when he hit .355 but had only one home run over his last 92 at-bats.

With Father Time working against him, Kent has spent the offseason dedicated to a comeback. Dodgers strength and conditioning coach Doug Jarrow trekked to Kent's Texas ranch to lay out a conditioning program designed to keep Kent on the field at age 39. Kent, who generally shuts down in the winter, instead has worked out diligently, according to club officials.

It will be interesting to see the physical condition of both when they arrive at Dodgertown. A year ago, Furcal showed up noticeably flabby following knee surgery performed shortly after signing his contract. His lack of conditioning resulted in shoulder and back problems, leading to an April in which he batted .198, had a .306 on-base percentage and notched only two of his 63 RBIs.

Kent arrived in Florida still recovering from his wrist surgery and unable to swing aggressively, leading to an April in which he batted only .183 with one home run. New trainer Stan Conte has said Kent is expected to be physically ready for the start of Spring Training.

Did someone mention Father Time? Another mission for Hiro Nakamura!

Comments (270)
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2007-01-17 15:39:51
1.   Bob Timmermann
My Nori Nakamura bobblehead still stands guard on top of my CPU.

Long may it bobble.

I saw Nori's last Dodger Stadium at bat back on May 4, 2005. The inning will bring back tears.
DODGERS 9TH: Ledee was called out on strikes; Phillips singled
to left; Nakamura grounded into a double play (pitcher to
shortstop to first) [Phillips out at second]; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0
LOB. Nationals 5, Dodgers 2.

I think Nakamura hit the ball about 45 feet. He played the tail end of a Dodgers rout in Cincinnati two days later.

Nakamura started at third for the home opener in 2005 and doubled in his first AB. We were so hopeful.

Ahh, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

2007-01-17 15:41:23
2.   Greg Brock
Andrew is going to be so happy with this post.
2007-01-17 15:51:31
3.   Marty
My Isturis bobblehead guards my office. No one dares come in when he's on duty.
2007-01-17 15:57:42
4.   Bob Timmermann
In Nakamura's last game as a Dodger, he came in to replace Izturis.

sniff, sniff...

2007-01-17 16:49:14
5.   Xeifrank
I'm not following... who is Oka?
vr, Xei
2007-01-17 16:51:02
6.   Xeifrank
Just from a subjective point of view mind you, I thought Nakamura had one of the worst swings I've ever seen. He seemed to line anything he could get the bat on, into the first base dugout. vr, Xei
2007-01-17 16:54:11
7.   Greg Brock
5 Oka is the actor Masi Oka from the hit television show "Heroes" on NBC. I think you should tell Jon to take his television related posts elsewhere post haste.
2007-01-17 16:59:18
8.   overkill94
When I first glanced at the post and saw a picture of two Asian men, I thought this thread was going down the Benihana Christmas route.
2007-01-17 17:00:47
9.   Jon Weisman
A Rule 3 + Rule 7 to counter a Rule 8 + Rule 4. Offsetting penalties - replay the down.

6 - I don't think you're alone in that opinion.

2007-01-17 17:01:50
10.   Jon Weisman
5 - I clarified that in the post - thanks.
2007-01-17 17:05:09
11.   JJ42
Since it might go there, I think Masi Oka pretty much makes that show. By the way, George Takei will be making an appearance later this season as his dad.
2007-01-17 17:17:09
12.   Bob Timmermann
Save Juan Pierre. Save the world.
2007-01-17 17:19:00
13.   Greg Brock
12 Bob's desire to save the world is negligible.
2007-01-17 17:26:23
14.   Samuel

Looks like a good deal to me if he can contribute and stays healthy.

2007-01-17 17:34:51
15.   ToyCannon
Cool, since I was made in Taiwan I have an affinity for players from the Island. He still needs to pass a physical so this signing is still on shaky ground since it is very possible his arm won't cut the muster.
2007-01-17 17:44:34
16.   regfairfield
The Gonzalez for LaRoche trade isn't quite as bad as it appeared. Pirates alos gave up Brent Lillbridge, their number three prospect. Lillbridge looks like he has amazing plate discipline (.115 isolated discipline between two levels last year), decent speed, and some pop at shortstop.
2007-01-17 17:52:58
17.   Greg Brock
16 I saw that. Lillbridge is a decent prospect, and I'm not a LaRoche fan, but I still think it's a bad deal. Oft-injured middle reliever and mid-level prospect for a 27 year old first baseman off a 32 HR, 560 SLG year?

I don't get it.

2007-01-17 17:59:19
18.   regfairfield
17 I still think the move is in the Pirates favor, but it's certainly no longer laughably bad.

It seems like when you sell high on a guy, you should get more than a good reliever coming off surgery, and a guy who hasn't hit AA.

2007-01-17 18:10:49
19.   Greg Brock
18 That's what bothers me. Laroche is certainly a serviceable first baseman. And, in some people's eyes, a good one. Can you really just grab Gonzalez, Lillbridge, and a PTBNL for him? It just makes no sense to me.

LaRoche's salary is manageable. He hits. He plays a decent first base. I can't believe that the Atlanta Braves could not get more than what the Pirates gave them.

Of course, it's always possible that this is the best deal they were offered. In that case, I'd rather hold on to him. It's a bad deal.

2007-01-17 18:45:34
20.   Andrew Shimmin
Prospectus has Jamie Romak going to the Pirates, as the last part of the deal. I know traded Braves' prospects never pan out, but this guy doesn't look half bad.

2007-01-17 18:53:24
21.   Andrew Shimmin
Oops. So does Bob.
2007-01-17 18:58:22
22.   Bob Timmermann
I was on a roll there once I got home!
2007-01-17 18:58:51
23.   Greg Brock
20 Oh Andrew, why do you attempt to usurp The Griddle. You may not like Bob, but goshdarnit, I do.

Shame on you.

2007-01-17 19:11:23
24.   Bob Timmermann
I got the name from the AP story and I thought it had been out for a while.

This was not enterprise journalism on my part. This was enterprise typing.

2007-01-17 19:21:44
25.   twerp
14 says Tsao had nine teams interested.

Supposedly hit 94 for scouts recently.

Very little downside risk in deal.

2007-01-17 19:58:25
26.   twerp
Since there's some talk here of the Braves' trade, maybe it's a good time to repost this from the other day. (I'm still on track for the posting on DT dead threads HOF)===

If consistent team success is the best measure of a GM, Atlanta's John Schuerholtz has been at the top, or near it, especially since Atlanta doesn't have the resources some clubs do.

Bobby Cox has to get a lot of credit, along with Stan Kasten, who hired John S., who hired Cox. Sure, the Braves faltered last year. But 14 consecutive division titles speaks for itself, even if they did yield only a single WS title.

Does anyone know where Schuerholtz stands on the oversimplified stats vs. scouts issue?

Also, a while back ESPN had fans vote to rank GMs. I never found the results.

Whatever that outcome, fan opinion is one thing. But has any baseball authority done a ranking like this lately? If so, is there a link?

As far as where Ned might rank, I doubt he's been on the job long enough for a ranking to be worth a whole lot.

2007-01-17 20:07:06
27.   Bob Timmermann
The Spurs got a technical against the Lakers for just having four players on the court. I've never seen that. In college ball, you can play shorthanded if you choose.

But what happens in the NBA if you have just five players left because of foul outs and one of the players on the court gets injured?

There is a provision for this.

2007-01-17 20:11:47
28.   Samuel

I believe that you can have someone who has fouled out play in your case, but every foul he subsequently gets is a technical foul? Something like that.

2007-01-17 20:17:08
29.   D4P
The Lakers have a lot of useful players this year.
2007-01-17 20:26:45
30.   Xeifrank
Uh oh, refs are starting to take over the Lakers/Spurs game.
vr, Xei
2007-01-17 20:30:21
31.   D4P
Looks like the Spurs need all the help they can get.
2007-01-17 20:30:22
32.   Xeifrank
27. If that happens then the other team gets to choose three fans at random from the crowd to play. If there are less than three fans, then they go to the nearest Starbucks (which is probably only 1/2 mile away) and choose three. That is my understanding of the rule, but I could be wrong.
vr, Xei
2007-01-17 20:32:58
33.   Xeifrank
Gameday must be broke, it keeps saying that every Laker is committing a foul! :)
vr, Xei
2007-01-17 20:36:00
34.   Xeifrank
I hope SI is listening.
vr, Xei
2007-01-17 20:36:51
35.   D4P
And it's only adding points to the Spurs' side of the ledger...
2007-01-17 20:43:26
36.   Bob Timmermann
If there is an injured player after you're down to five, the last player to foul out comes in and the team is assessed a technical as well. If someone else gets injured, then it's the next to last person who fouled out.

In the 1950s, the NBA used to have lots of players foul out because all non-shooting fouls were one shot only. So when you were behind, you would just hack somebody, have them take one shot and then go down and make a basket for two.

It took them several years to realize that this didn't work out well.

2007-01-17 20:46:51
37.   El Lay Dave
33 Now THAT is funny!
2007-01-17 20:47:13
38.   D4P
I've always liked Hubie Brown as an announcer.
2007-01-17 20:55:25
39.   Icaros

I agree. He's excellent.

2007-01-17 21:10:59
40.   D4P
Greg will be happy to know that Ashley Harkleroad beat the #17 seed today.
2007-01-17 21:13:13
41.   Greg Brock
40 Yes, but what does Marty have to say about her ensemble?
2007-01-17 21:18:02
42.   Bob Timmermann
The #17 seed being Anna-Lena Groenefeld.

Ms. Harkleroad now faces the #15 seed, Daniela Hantuchova

Ms. Harkleroad's profile

Interestingly, these three players are all in a row on the WTA website.

2007-01-17 21:20:57
43.   D4P
Decidedly less, um, memorable.

2007-01-17 21:22:20
44.   Daniel Zappala
12 Bob Timmermann = Bob Geldof?
2007-01-17 21:24:04
45.   D4P
Andrew will be pleased to know that Wal-Mart's "organic" food offerings often aren't organic.

2007-01-17 21:26:19
46.   Greg Brock
Let's hope the future brings an Ashley Harkleroad vs. Ana Ivanovic Grand Slam final.

Dios Mio

2007-01-17 21:30:19
47.   Bob Timmermann
According to her profile on the WTA website, Ms. Harkleroad is married and enjoys listening to Britney Spears.
2007-01-17 21:33:32
48.   D4P
Ms. Harkleroad is married and enjoys listening to Britney Spears

Don't have kids.

2007-01-17 21:35:59
49.   Greg Brock
Meh. Married at 21, divorced at 24, married to this guy (Brock points at self) at 26.
2007-01-17 21:37:56
50.   D4P
I've heard them mention Sharapova's first round victory multiple times tonight, and not once did they say the name "Camille Pin."
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2007-01-17 21:41:08
51.   El Lay Dave
47 What if WTA players dressed like the soon-to-be former Mrs. Federline?
2007-01-17 21:42:39
52.   Samuel

Apparently, Harkleroad got divorced recently.

2007-01-17 21:46:08
53.   Greg Brock
52 Excellent. Everything is proceeding ahead of schedule.

{taps fingers}

2007-01-17 21:57:46
54.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure Ms. Harkleroad has led a rich, rewarding life and I likes to read the works of Herman Hesse.
2007-01-17 22:04:13
55.   Greg Brock
54 Somehow, I find that highly unlikely. Fortunately for her, I am willing to look beyond the superficial existence of the average female tennis player and find the intellectual beauty within her.

I'm very nurturing like that.

2007-01-17 22:05:24
56.   D4P
enjoys listening to Britney Spears

It worries me that this has apparently not deterred the hopeful future Mr. Harkleroad...

2007-01-17 22:06:20
57.   Greg Brock
54 Also, on a much more shallow level, she would undoubtedly be a ridiculous shag.
2007-01-17 22:13:00
58.   D4P
Looks like tonight's Camille Pin will have to be Lleyton Hewitt's wife. She's not that great, but she's better looking than Andy Murray...
2007-01-17 22:17:38
59.   Greg Brock
58 If you're talking about Bec Cartwright, then the gap between her and Andy Murray is surprisingly narrow.


2007-01-17 22:20:30
60.   D4P
she would undoubtedly be a ridiculous shag

This is the kind of sentiment we don't hear much on DodgerThoughts.

2007-01-17 22:31:21
61.   Bob Timmermann
I really prefer area rugs.
2007-01-17 22:35:14
62.   D4P
I really prefer area rugs

Square? Ovular? Triangular...?

2007-01-17 22:35:46
63.   Greg Brock
Sorry. I should clarify. "Shag" is a New Zealand term which means "Mixed Doubles Partner"

Sorry if the previous statement sounded tawdry. I'm just looking for a good clay-court specialist to team up with.

2007-01-17 22:36:17
64.   natepurcell
If Tsao looks healthy in ST, i hope colletti can find a team that needs a 5th starter or "set up" guy we can trade tomko to. Seems like if Tsao can stick, Tomko becomes redundant (more so then he is now).
2007-01-17 22:38:50
65.   Bob Timmermann
Is Tomko "redundant" or do we just want to "make him redundant"?
2007-01-17 22:41:07
66.   D4P
I'd rather make Tomko "expendable" than "redundant"
2007-01-17 22:43:43
67.   natepurcell

expendable is probably the word i should have used.

either way, i like this movie by colletti. I like the way colletti builds a bullpen so far.

2007-01-17 22:48:39
68.   Bob Timmermann
I think Colletti's movies are derivative of Godard.
2007-01-17 22:51:29
69.   trainwreck
I love the Tsao signing. That guy can throw gas!
2007-01-17 22:51:47
70.   Icaros
I've only liked a couple of Colletti's movies so far. They usually seem pointless.
2007-01-17 22:55:44
71.   Samuel

From what I can tell and know of American tennis on clay, Ashley Harkleroad is hardly a clay court specialist.

2007-01-17 22:56:57
72.   Greg Brock
I love the Tsao signing. That guy can throw gas!

I'll make sure to invite him to the next UTLA firebombing.

2007-01-17 22:57:59
73.   Greg Brock
71 By "clay court specialist," I meant "somebody to shag"
2007-01-17 23:06:34
74.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody willing to pay extra money for a box that says, "organic," deserves to be lied to. There's a reason I'm not their lawyer. Or anybody else's.
2007-01-17 23:07:33
75.   Andrew Shimmin
72- I completely forgot about the hula hoops! I have some email to write.
2007-01-17 23:40:31
76.   Andrew Shimmin
I sent one to one of the four APs, and one to a teacher named Choi (I figure I have karma coming my way on that one). Tomorrow, the next three APs. And the person whose job description is Math Coach. Because there's a brand new mystery.
2007-01-17 23:41:04
77.   Andrew Shimmin
It's been a while since I commented for the cycle. So, not any more.
2007-01-17 23:44:46
78.   Greg Brock
76 Math coaches are a big deal in elementary schools. Not so much beyond that.
2007-01-17 23:46:21
79.   Bob Timmermann
There are math coaches and reading coaches. They help out teachers with lesson plans in those areas.
2007-01-17 23:46:54
80.   Greg Brock
There are also literacy coaches, if that adds to the mystery.
2007-01-17 23:47:27
81.   Greg Brock
79 Bob beat me to it!
2007-01-17 23:51:13
82.   Andrew Shimmin
If there really were reading coaches AND literacy coaches, that would have been a new mystery.
2007-01-17 23:54:43
83.   Greg Brock
Hula hoops, coaches, firebombings...Andrew has so much to learn about education in California.
2007-01-17 23:56:21
84.   Bob Timmermann
My girlfriend applied to be the bridges coordinator at her school.

I asked her why the job was called that. She said she had no idea.

2007-01-17 23:56:54
85.   Samuel

Exactly what does a bridges coordinator do?

2007-01-17 23:58:57
86.   Bob Timmermann
The bridges coordinator at a school helps coordinate the work of the special education teachers.

I've learned a lot about special education in the past couple of years.

2007-01-18 00:01:49
87.   Greg Brock
86 Does she work with mainstreamed special needs kids or severe developmental disabilities? Or both?
2007-01-18 00:05:05
88.   Bob Timmermann
Mostly the former.
2007-01-18 00:10:20
89.   Greg Brock
You have to be a very strong person to work in special education. It's an emotionally taxing job. But the rewards are pretty great.
2007-01-18 00:35:35
90.   Uncle Miltie
I love the Tsao pickup. I suggested that we should sign him when the Rockies let him go. I'm glad that Ned is willing to take a risk (albeit a very small one) on a young, talented player like Tsao. If he's healthy, he could be a really nice addition to our bullpen. Didn't he sign with the Rockies over the Dodgers because he liked their uniforms better?
2007-01-18 00:36:13
91.   El Lay Dave
86 I've learned a lot about special education in the past couple of years. through GF, or at the Griddle?

In all seriousness, special education is not a job, it's a vocation. Tip of my Dodger cap to her.

2007-01-18 00:45:33
92.   Bob Timmermann
I've asked her how long I would last as a middle school teacher where she teaches.

She thinks I could last 15 minutes on a good day.

2007-01-18 01:23:39
93.   Andrew Shimmin
92- You could probably hold out longer if you brought a weapon of some kind. I know a guy who can get you a good price on firebombs.
2007-01-18 01:27:47
94.   Andrew Shimmin
Or, if you didn't want to leave evidence, the way fires tend to, you could go with a pillowcase full of doorknobs. Body shots only. Or a sock full of nickels, for greater precision.
2007-01-18 06:44:38
95.   Bumsrap
Taiwan used to dominate the Little League World Series and now we finally see some of their pitchers make it to the big leagues.

In seven professional seasons, Tsao has 63 2/3 Major League innings. Kuo, who has battled back from two Tommy John operations, has 65 Major League innings in the same seven years.

Kind of mkes me appreciate Ned as much as I hate to do so when he adds or keeps the likes of Tomko, Hendrickson, Wolf, Schmidt so tht he doesn't have to load the innings on his very young pitchers' arms. Or does he just like old guys?

2007-01-18 06:52:24
96.   Bumsrap
Now that Andy LaRoche is a Pirate maybe they would want a brother to play the opposite corner. Somewhere on June 1, there is a package of players that includes Pierre that the Pirates will take in exchange or sending Bay to the Dodgers.

Not that I covet players on other teams, it is more that I covet some Dodgers to be on other teams.

2007-01-18 06:53:49
97.   Bumsrap
93, 94 Congratulations Andrew, your phones are now being tapped.
2007-01-18 06:56:55
98.   Bumsrap
96 Now that the other LaRoche is a Pirate....
2007-01-18 07:14:07
99.   Sam DC
Looks like a winner:

"Olney: Phillies built upon old-fashioned values"

2007-01-18 07:25:17
100.   Sam DC
I realize I'm a fairly non-descript, getting thick in the middle, glasses-wearing white guy, but I just had a colleague, who has sat down the hall from me for three years, and been my company-assigned mentor (involving meeting one-on-one three or so times a year)for two years, mistake me for a completely different person while we were both getting a cup of coffee. He just started talking to me as if I was someone else, and didn't realize it until after about 20 seconds I actually had to stop him and say, "You know, I'm not actually working with you on that project."


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2007-01-18 07:48:23
101.   Terry A
So Beimel wants $1.25M, the Dodgers are offering $900K, and both sides are so unwilling to budge that they're likely headed to the ugliness of arbitration?

It's $400,000, Ned. Pay the man. If you'll thrown $45M at Pierre, what's a measly $400K for Joe Shotglass?

Or is the ugliness of arbitration part of Beimel's punishment for his issues last season? Beimel's truth issues certainly wouldn't play well in such a hearing.

2007-01-18 07:48:49
102.   Terry A
2007-01-18 07:51:52
103.   Greg Brock
100 LOL. You could have had some real fun with that.

"That's right buddy, I, JimDC, think you're a jerk. Remember that, pal. Name's JIM."

2007-01-18 07:54:20
104.   Benaiah
103 - Of course, the easiest way to become memorable is to be a jerk to someone. See the episode of Seinfeld where Elaine posed as someone named Suzie.
2007-01-18 07:57:07
105.   Xeifrank
95. When they (finally) got caught for cheating, I don't think they ever won one since. Phillipines got caught cheating the one year they won it too. Not that we don't have teams that cheat too (Danny Almonte?), but I trust our birth record system and integrity a little more than the aforementioned countries. vr, Xei
2007-01-18 08:50:52
106.   Sushirabbit
His wife hasn't recently had a baby? From my perspective that could explain all kinds of strange behavior. (I still want to put a 'u' in behavior). But I'm BSLB now.
2007-01-18 08:59:18
107.   Sushirabbit
My letter from Hiro came too late...
2007-01-18 09:08:42
108.   Sushirabbit
Schuerholz has got to be one of the best GMs. I still remember the end of 93. Not sure if that was sheer genius or luck but CrimeDog was amazing.

I haven't read the new book, but it's pretty clear that his philosophy is built on having a great farm system. Seems it is part "scout", but I don't think it means it's "anti-stats".

2007-01-18 09:20:50
109.   Penarol1916
74. Ugh, now I agree with Andrew about something, next thing you know I'll actually know who Taj Mahal is and actually care about music.
2007-01-18 09:31:47
110.   Bob Timmermann
Taiwan and the Philippines cheated differently than U.S. teams. In the U.S., we like to slip in ringers who are too old.

Taiwan and the Philippines created teams that were taken from sections of the country that were too big. There is a population limit that each time can draw from because the teams are supposed to be "kids from the neighborhood." Taiwan was taking from groups of well over a million people as was the Philippines team. No doubt that the U.S. could form a great Little League team every year if it could pick it nationwide. Or just consider a team that was an all-California or all-Florida team.


2007-01-18 09:33:26
111.   D4P
Anybody who believes that ingesting pesticides, etc. is no worse than not ingesting pesticides, etc. deserves to shop at Wal-Mart.
2007-01-18 09:52:42
112.   Steve
Anybody who believes that ingesting pesticides, etc. is no worse than not ingesting pesticides, etc. deserves to shop at Wal-Mart.

What if Tomko and Hendrickson are doing the ingesting?

2007-01-18 09:54:04
113.   Xeifrank
110. That wasn't the only way they were cheating.

Taiwanese leagues had been cheating in two different ways; first, their leagues had been drawing from pools of 16,000-20,000 children, as opposed to the regulation 4,000-7,000, and second, many of their players were playing on falsified birth certificates anyway -- the players were actually 14 and 15 years old. Since this was discovered, only two of nine champs have been from Taiwan, a more reasonable number.

2007-01-18 10:01:28
114.   Penarol1916
111. Your proof please.
2007-01-18 10:02:47
115.   D4P
Ingest away.
2007-01-18 10:03:43
116.   D4P
While I'm at it, I'll dig up my "proof" that cigarettes cause cancer.
2007-01-18 10:05:30
117.   Bob Timmermann
So the Taiwanese were five-tool cheaters in the past?
2007-01-18 10:06:03
118.   Steve
Context, my friend. Context.
2007-01-18 10:11:28
119.   Penarol1916
116. Wow, comparing the mountains of evidence that cigarettes are harmful to the small bit of evidence that ingesting a large amount of some pesticides at one time is harmful, we're quite good at fogging the issue, aren't we?
2007-01-18 10:16:23
120.   D4P
Don't underestimate my fogging.
2007-01-18 10:26:31
121.   Penarol1916
120. I haven't since you first appeared on the ESPN chat boards. But I also know that your support for organic foods also hides your true, hidden agenda, that if the world were to go organic, your hero Thomas Malthus would finally be proven right and not an idiot.
2007-01-18 10:28:48
122.   Steve
your hero Thomas Malthus

Ouch. The Mark Hendrickson of economists.

2007-01-18 10:34:21
123.   D4P
Thomas Malthus would finally be proven right and not an idiot

He was the "limits to growth" guy, right? Is he an idiot for thinking there are limits to growth, or is he an idiot for being wrong about when we would run out of resources? Or is he an idiot for some other reason?

2007-01-18 10:37:15
124.   Bob Timmermann
So Mark Hendrickson's ability to get people increases arithmetically while his ERA goes up geometrically?
2007-01-18 10:53:46
125.   Penarol1916
123. He was an idiot for assuming that anyone could come up with the limits to growth and for being a chicken little. It is one thing to say that if things continue the way they are, we are in for a rude awakening, it is another to write an entire book on how the entire human race will be have consumed all of its food by 1860.

"Limits to Growth" is different as the authors of the book acknowledge that there are countless possibilities out there that would quite possibly prove their predictions in invalid. Such as the prediction that the world at current increases in usage rates would run out of oil by 1992. They acknowledged that this was only based on proven reserves in 1970 and that there was a strong possibility that there would be substantial new discoveries of oil in places that had not be explored.

2007-01-18 11:06:40
126.   D4P
If he was among the first to acknowledge that resources are finite and that the population cannot expand indefinitely, I don't think I'd call him an idiot. I would guess that the earliest thinkers in all disciplines are eventually shown to be wrong about certain things.

But I don't remember reading any of his stuff, so you may have more basis for your evaluation than I do.

I remember one of my econ professors setting up a spectrum with Malthus et al. on one end and Julian Simon? on the other, with Malthus thinking we would run out of resources soon and Simon thinking we would never run out of resources because technology would always find substitutes. I was 100% in Simon's camp back then. I'm somewhere between the two extremes these days.

2007-01-18 11:11:33
127.   regfairfield
108 Avoid that book like the plague. It gives almost zero insight into how Scherholz thinks, except that he has a very high opinion of himself. He spends most of the book talking about working with Rush Limbaugh and creating a winning attitude in the organization, all the way down to the hot dog vendors.

After reading that book, my opinion of him dropped signifigantly. He has zero understanding of Sabermetrics (thinks Moneyball is all about fat guys who can't play defense, etc.) and picks up players based on their attitude. He places a heavy emphasis on scouting, but doesn't say what qualities make a good major leaguer. Unless this was a complete ruse, it seems like the Braves strategy is hire Leo Mazzone, then win.

2007-01-18 11:33:23
128.   Bob Timmermann
But John Schuerholz autographed a copy to me with a pen dipped in anthrax!
2007-01-18 11:38:18
129.   Penarol1916
126. Ah, but he wasn't the first to acknowledge that resources are finite, I mean that is the entire basis of economics, if resources are infinite, then there is no scarcity. He also did not say that the population could not expand indefinately, just that it could not expand exponentially while our resources only expanded arithmetically. I'm with you in the middle, I believe that at some point we will run out of resources (thus we can't waste our land on incredibly ineffecient processes like organic farming), but I am skeptical of doomsayers who say it can be predicted when it will happen.
2007-01-18 11:41:05
130.   Bumsrap
There are some predictions getting attention and for what they are worth tell us that by the year 2015, if the world continued on its present course, with no major technical or policy changes, food production would begin to fall, as pollution degraded the fertility of the land. Around 2020, nonrenewable resources such as oil would begin to run out, and more and more resources would be needed to find, extract, and refine what remained. By mid-century, industrial production would begin to collapse, pulling down with it the service and agricultural sectors. Life expectance and population would fall soon after, as death rates were driven up by lack of food and health care.

In 1950, the world population was about 2.5 billion. In 2000, it was about 6 billion. The United Nations estimates the world population will eventually level out at 11 billion people in 2150.

This was in John Schuerholz book on the topic of free agency.

2007-01-18 11:46:19
131.   Bumsrap
108 I haven't read the new book, but it's pretty clear that his philosophy is built on having a great farm system. Seems it is part "scout", but I don't think it means it's "anti-stats".

I should have said in 130 that Schuerholz said this under the chapter farm system.

2007-01-18 11:48:21
132.   D4P
we can't waste our land on incredibly ineffecient processes like organic farming

If one were to compile a list of current "land-wasting" activities, and arrange it in descending order, I would guess that organic farming would be low on the list. I would guess low-density development (e.g. "sprawl") is among the primary culprits.

2007-01-18 11:49:37
133.   Bumsrap
132 Not to mention the world's fear of genetically enhanced farming.
2007-01-18 11:50:41
134.   Bumsrap
In fact I hear Bonds is investing in genetically enhanced farming to take advantage of his expertise.
2007-01-18 12:01:16
135.   Marty
Econ thoughts today, so that's your game eh?
2007-01-18 12:02:08
136.   Frip
Does the unkempt version of Beimel look like a cool dirtbag, or a slow witted, styless dirtbag?

And does he now have an obligation Eagle-Scout his look in light of the broken glass incident, as a show of penance and rectitude?

2007-01-18 12:02:56
137.   Penarol1916
132. It's only low on the list because it makes up such a small proportion of the total food supply, you should be greatful to those people who you feel deserve to shop at Wal-Mart because they don't care about pesticides, if it weren't for them and everyone wanted organic products, then the amount of land needed for expanded farming would make sprawl look like my backyard (which is very small).

Just look at Brasil. What is the biggest threat to the rain forest, it is not low density development, it is free range cattle ranches.

2007-01-18 12:15:33
138.   D4P
Ultimately, these problems all come back to population, which I believe was the point that the Malthuses of the world were trying to make. People want to have kids, but don't want to have to make sacrifices in their standard of living. As Americans, we maintain our standard of living in part at the expense of people in other parts of the world.

Is our way of life sustainable in "the long run"? I doubt it.

2007-01-18 12:17:31
139.   Jon Weisman
Comment scorecard:

Malthus 6, Kent 0

2007-01-18 12:23:08
140.   Andrew Shimmin
Kent's part of the problem. He has four kids. Doesn't he know that the future of organic farming depends on his willingness to make sacrifices?
2007-01-18 12:26:19
141.   D4P
He has four kids

That's all? Daniel's got him beat by 12...

2007-01-18 12:26:39
142.   Penarol1916
138. This is going to be my last boring comment of the day, but what I'll say is this, no way of life is sustainable, that's a false goal, that is the history of humanity, we change and adapt constantly to our situation, which is primarily caused by changes in demographics.
I don't disagree that changes in population are the root of a lot of these issues, in fact I believe that demographics are the primary explanation for a huge number of things that they aren't given credit for and for a large amount of the changes in the way we've lived our lives in the past. That's not why Malthus was an idiot, he was an idiot because he saw the situation as static.
2007-01-18 12:27:43
143.   Vishal
[138] as economists like to say: in the long run, we're all dead.
2007-01-18 12:27:56
144.   Johnson
139 Oh, sure. You can cherry-pick stats for the economists all you want. But did Malthus OPS 1.538 in the 2006 NLDS? Hmm?
2007-01-18 12:34:04
145.   Andrew Shimmin
141- I'm not sure I even understand your theory that Americans with kids don't sacrifice their standard of living. Kids are a money vortex. How do parents avoid sacrificing it, unless they're just swimming in cash?
2007-01-18 12:45:08
146.   Marty
I hear Malthus gets on base a lot.
2007-01-18 12:49:26
147.   Steve
As Americans, we maintain our standard of living in part at the expense of people in other parts of the world.

As Gregg Easterbrook would say, Ye Gods.

2007-01-18 12:55:24
148.   Daniel Zappala
141 Hilarious. The comments have been really fascinating today, but somehow I got dragged into a discussion about Malthus and Kent, when I have never uttered a word about either one. For the record, I am batting below the Kent line for kids, but above the Mendoza line in my church baseball league. Now if I can just avoid pulling a muscle while trying to "explode" out of the batter's box this year, I'll be OK.
2007-01-18 12:58:51
149.   D4P
I drag you in as often as possible. For the most part, though, I'm only able to fit you in "Oregon" and "LDS folks have a lot of kids" related discussions.
2007-01-18 13:41:34
150.   D4P
What have I done...
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2007-01-18 13:42:39
151.   Daniel Zappala
149 You can fit me in with the Wal-Mart discussions too, as they've just started the permit process to build one in my town. We've had our share of people who want to fight the development based on their bad business practices, and others who want them here because we need the sales tax revenue, and still others who just want someplace convenient to shop. I fit in under the silent group that simply wants a better place to buy stuff than what Wal-Mart has to offer.
2007-01-18 13:51:34
152.   Sushirabbit
127, Thanks, reg, I'll pick that up on my way to rent Soylent Green. A whole new meaning to the term farm system.
2007-01-18 13:54:42
153.   Sushirabbit
BTW, getting a hot dog at Turner Field is usually a breeze. :-)
2007-01-18 14:05:03
154.   D4P
I fit in under the silent group that simply wants a better place to buy stuff than what Wal-Mart has to offer.

Good for you, Daniel. But don't hide your lamp under a bushel...

2007-01-18 14:19:56
155.   Andrew Shimmin
There's a difference between wanting a better place than Walmart available and not wanting a Walmart available. One of the many ways in which glorious, wondrous, stupenderific sprawl keeps the better from becoming the enemy of the good. Sprawl: is there anything it can't do?
2007-01-18 14:21:58
156.   Benaiah
154 - I don't actively shop at Wal-Mart, but if I need something and I don't know where to get it, I often think: "I bet Wal-Mart has it." The place may be evil, but it sure is cheap and easy.

Also, if you hate Wal-Mart, you should see Idiocracy for Mike Judge's applicable spoofing of Costco.

2007-01-18 14:27:27
157.   D4P
The place may be evil, but it sure is cheap and easy.

See: the Dark Side of The Force


Hadn't heard of it, but I'll check it out.

2007-01-18 14:31:10
158.   Benaiah
157 - Maybe there are a lot of family owned stores around you, but all I see are Bed, Bath and Beyond, Krogers, Publix et al.

Fox sabatoged Idiocracy, only showing it in 6 cities (not including New York), with no press whatsoever. Moreover, they reshot parts of the movie after removing Judge and refused to prescreen it or run it in festivals. Pretty messed up. It is a funny movie though.

I just wrote about it on my blog:

2007-01-18 14:35:57
159.   D4P
It would be tough to avoid shopping at chain stores completely.

Your blog has been bookmarked.

2007-01-18 14:36:50
160.   DodgerBakers
139 There really is only one way to settle the score:

(safe for work)

2007-01-18 14:40:45
161.   Andrew Shimmin
Simon handily dispatches Ehrlich in a Google fight, too. Just like in real life.
2007-01-18 14:56:15
162.   Steve
Ehrlich is like the Tim Hamulack of economists.
2007-01-18 14:59:08
163.   D4P
I note that your prototypical bad economist-Dodger analogies are always left-handed. Not that I mind, being a northpaw myself. I mean, lefties are freaks and all...
2007-01-18 15:05:38
164.   Vishal
[163] where do ambidextrous individuals fit into your social hierarchy?
2007-01-18 15:11:23
165.   D4P
Near the top. For one thing, they don't have to worry about having their only "me time hand" slammed in a hinged counter...
2007-01-18 15:24:12
166.   overkill94
Why is it that the only night of television worth watching (aside from 24 on Mondays) has to conflict with the only weeknight Pac-10 basketball? How am I supposed to watch The Office, Scrubs, Arizona vs. USC, and ASU vs. UCLA all at the same time?
2007-01-18 15:26:16
167.   twerp
163 Everyone is born right-handed.

Only the greatest overcome it.

2007-01-18 15:28:35
168.   Andrew Shimmin
166- Hope for early blowouts. Or a string of injuries which coincide exactly with the non-commercial runtime of the shows. Though, that's pretty improbable. And a little monstrous.
2007-01-18 15:32:57
169.   overkill94
I'm assuming UCLA's will be a blow-out, but Arizona's will be a bit tougher. And to think I'm getting a DVR in only a few days...FINALLY
2007-01-18 15:44:38
170.   mikethinksblue
169 By chance, is it the DirecTV HD DVR? If so, cancel your order now. It's the worst piece of equipment I've ever dealt with.
2007-01-18 15:56:31
171.   Andrew Shimmin
Hula Hoop Crisis: Week Two

Receiving no response to my narrowly directed, charming, folksy even, emails, I've switched to broadcast mode. Today, every Carver Middle School employee with a surname beginning with an A or B got an email from me. Let's see if anybody at that school checks his/her email.

2007-01-18 15:57:45
172.   KAYVMON
167- I've been cursing the same thing for weeks now. To me, Thursday is the only night worth watching the network shows.

And on top of it, I tried to buy tickets for the Oregon-SC game on the 3rd of Feb. and its sold out. Stubhub is trying to sell them for a hundred bucks. Crazy! Its at 12:30 on a Saturday in L.A., people must have other options.

2007-01-18 16:02:03
173.   KAYVMON
And by the way, season tickets for the Galen Center cost $550. Can an economist explain that?!
2007-01-18 16:19:02
174.   Bob Timmermann
The invisible hand of the market.
2007-01-18 16:24:19
175.   Sam DC
And let's mark Comment 171 as the point we will come back to when Jon starts to wonder how exactly his blog ended up catching the attention of the District Attorney's office.
2007-01-18 16:35:40
176.   Andrew Shimmin
Countdown to this post:

Dodger Thoughts, Baseballtoaster, and all those affiliated with each or both bear no responsibility for the actions of known miscreant and public menace "Andrew Shimmin." His IP addresses and known aliases are available by request, no warrant necessary. DT and Baseballtoaster regret that their services have been abused by Mr. Shimmin, and will gladly, vigorously assist, in any way possible, all efforts to bring his reign of terror to an end. Hey, we don't even care about the hula hoops--it's totally cool with us if you want to keep your hula hoop carrying secrets to yourself. None of our business, right? We dig.

--The Management

2007-01-18 17:01:49
177.   Jon Weisman
Open TV (and entertainment) chat at Screen Jam. Pac-10 hoops chat welcome here.
2007-01-18 17:02:29
178.   Jon Weisman
By the way, I'm completely out to lunch on the hula hoop thing. I think lots of tinyurls were involved and I didn't get going on it.
2007-01-18 17:08:34
179.   Bob Timmermann
Welcome to the club.
2007-01-18 17:08:46
180.   trainwreck
I get the Arizona St UCLA game on Fox College Sports Atlantic channel. Kind of odd.
2007-01-18 17:09:39
181.   trainwreck
Teachers in LA were protesting and they wore hula hoops. Andrew demands a satisfactory answer on why.
2007-01-18 17:11:50
182.   Bob Timmermann
Grant Wahl of has declared Oregon to be a legitimate Final Four and national championship team.

It's up to Stanford to restore order.

2007-01-18 17:14:35
183.   trainwreck
And Jay Bilas declares UNC is the #1 team and that he is too cool to think that wins and losses dictate rankings.
2007-01-18 17:16:34
184.   Greg Brock
I like this Oregon team, but having the 102nd toughest schedule in the country does not impress. Florida's is 151st.

UCLA's is #1
Zona's is #2

2007-01-18 17:17:32
185.   Greg Brock
UCLA and Zona are also 1 and 2 in RPI.

Saturday is going to be fun.

2007-01-18 17:17:54
186.   Bob Timmermann
I will no longer comment on Florida. I have declared the joke dead.
2007-01-18 17:19:04
187.   trainwreck
Raiders brought in Lane Kiffin today to interview to be Sark's OC. I rather have Pats OC Josh McDaniel as head coach, but at least this way USC is getting hurt.

BTW, please hire a good OC Karl.

2007-01-18 17:20:35
188.   trainwreck
I am not really worried about Arizona. Yes, they can beat UCLA as long as they are hot, but they have faced one team that can play defense in WSU and they lost. Budinger is already complaining of being tired and just wait till he gets Luc on him for a whole game.
2007-01-18 17:21:22
189.   D4P
Oregon played a lot of very weak non-conference teams. They've also beaten UCLA at home, and Georgetown & Arizona on the road.
2007-01-18 17:24:12
190.   Jon Weisman
188 - Arizona's blog-readers just got their bulletin board material.
2007-01-18 17:24:53
191.   Bob Timmermann
The Yahoo boxscore has the positions for the likely starters for Stanford as:


Oregon is:


2007-01-18 17:27:16
192.   D4P

I call that a "4G negative dive"

2007-01-18 17:32:06
193.   Jon Weisman
UCLA's women's basketball team lost to ASU by 40.
2007-01-18 17:33:02
194.   Bob Timmermann
Kathy Olivier is the Karl Dorrell of UCLA's women's athletics.
2007-01-18 17:33:07
195.   D4P
lost to ASU by 40

A "4D negative dive"

2007-01-18 17:35:46
196.   overkill94
188 I think Arizona matches up pretty well against UCLA actually. A lot of UCLA's defensive prowess comes from Luc and Mata, but none of the Arizona starters really play a low-post game, so Radenovic vs. Mata could be a match-up problem for UCLA. Plus, Arizona's main weakness on defense is defending the post and neither Mata nor Luc are big scoring threats.
2007-01-18 17:37:57
197.   overkill94
Although I was quite impressed with Oregon in general, Arizona should have beaten them. Shakur made some rookie mistakes down the stretch and the offense played too conservative in general during the last few minutes, something you can't do against a likewise explosive-scoring opponent.
2007-01-18 17:39:04
198.   Bumsrap
156 The place may be evil, but it sure is cheap and easy.

Easy like finding a needle in a haystack or easy as in Paris Hilton. Not that I ever get anything from Wal Mart or Paris.

The more I think about, Paris and WalMart are a good match. In so many ways.

The character Alan Shore in Boston Legal said last night that if he could change one thing about the worls he would get rid of all stores ending in Mart. Good start.

2007-01-18 17:40:30
199.   Bumsrap
worls = world,
2007-01-18 17:42:39
200.   Bumsrap
Dorrell is ok if you like punting on second down on the opponent's 35 yard line.
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2007-01-18 17:45:06
201.   trainwreck
Radenovic will definitely be a problem. I think he is Arizona's biggest threat against us. I also worry about Shakur being able to out muscle Collison. The biggest key for UCLA is to just play hard the entire game. UCLA has had problems not playing as hard as they can on defense, but I think they will come to play against their biggest rival. Arizona cannot play defense at all. Budinger is an absolutely terrible defender and I think Luc is going to be able to get a ton of put backs as is Mata. I also worry about Shipp coming back and not being able to guard anyone, but I have no idea how Howland will handle that.
2007-01-18 17:45:54
202.   Bumsrap
193 UCLA's women's basketball team lost to ASU by 40

It may be implied but because of the score I have to ask, did the UCLA women's team play the ASU men.

2007-01-18 17:46:02
203.   D4P
Oregon usually struggles against Stanford. I wouldn't be too surprised to see the Cardinal win.
2007-01-18 17:47:06
204.   Greg Brock
Had she not "led" UCLA through that Pacific 10 tourney last year, Olivier would not be here this year.

Hmmm...Making a tourney run to save your job. I think I've heard that basketball tune before...

2007-01-18 17:48:09
205.   trainwreck
I think Arizona will have its problems against USC tonight, since USC actually plays defense now. USC can be a very good team it just depends how smart they play. Pruitt, Young, and Stewart take too many ill-advised shots.
2007-01-18 17:48:57
206.   Bumsrap
204 You mean old wet shirt?
2007-01-18 17:49:26
207.   trainwreck
I heard Olivier is loved in the UCLA athletic department and that it will be hard to convince them to fire her.

I have also heard other disturbing things about her.

2007-01-18 17:50:28
208.   overkill94
201 Your analysis is pretty spot-on, especially Budinger's defense (which is why I think they play a lot of zone). If Arizona decides to go man-to-man, Shakur is quick enough to handle Collison, McClellan is a pretty good match-up with Afflalo, and Williams can handle Shipp, but Budinger against Luc or Mata would be rough, especially with offensive rebounds.

That being said, I'm assuming Zona will play mostly zone, meaning they'll have to rotate well to defend the three, something they've improved on slightly as the year has gone on. Offensively I'm not too worried about them although Radenovic has been slumping lately.

2007-01-18 17:52:56
209.   overkill94
205 The only SC game I've watched this year was against UCLA and even that one was only the 2nd half, but from what I remember they're a team that likes to shoot the 3 and run the court. Sounds like Zona will have to play more man than they're used to, meaning they'll have to go to the bench a bit more often, which could be a problem.

Basically, there are only a couply gimme games in the Pac-10 this year, so you have to bring your "A" game just about every night.

2007-01-18 17:53:57
210.   trainwreck
I have read from scouts and people that follow Arizona and they say they have to play so much zone because of Budinger. He is that terrible on defense.

I should add I also love the matchup of Westbrook against their backup guards. He will torch them.

2007-01-18 18:17:44
211.   overkill94
210 What backup guards? :)

And yes, Budinger's defense is that bad. He stands almost completely straight up and has terrible lateral movement. His only advantages are that he is tall, a good leaper, and fairly quick at recovering. While Arizona is usually known more as an offensive team than defensive, Lute has developed some very good defenders from Salim Stoudamire to Jason Terry. I don't think Chase will be around long enough to benefit from his tutelage though.

2007-01-18 18:19:08
212.   overkill94
I should add that the only healthy Arizona back-up guard is Daniel Dillon who is known as somewhat of a defensive stopper. He's not the quickest guy around, but he's very fundamental and can cut off a drive very well.
2007-01-18 18:23:37
213.   Greg Brock
For those of you that have $8,000 to fool around with, Pioneer is offering a buy one get one free deal on their 50" plasmas.

I do not have $8,000 to fool around with.

2007-01-18 18:26:06
214.   D4P
I do not have $8,000 to fool around with

Or to shag

2007-01-18 18:46:06
215.   D4P
Darn you, ESPN2. Maria Kirilenko ( is playing in Australia right now, but instead, we get to watch Serena Williams's math on tape.
2007-01-18 18:58:51
216.   D4P
Looks like Oregon is getting killed on the boards. I'm surprised they've done as well as they have, given their lack of size.
2007-01-18 19:04:55
217.   D4P
Note to Lakers: block out Josh Howard.
2007-01-18 19:06:37
218.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps Oregon should not go for the FGGGG lineup all the time.
2007-01-18 19:09:41
219.   D4P
They've had a tough time recruiting good big men since Blair Rasmussen.
2007-01-18 19:12:12
220.   overkill94
Luke Jackson was pretty big
2007-01-18 19:14:44
221.   D4P
Luke Jackson was somewhat tall, but he was thin and didn't bang around on the inside.
2007-01-18 19:16:40
222.   overkill94
Hey, a David Eckstein sighting on Jeopardy! And nobody knew the answer.
2007-01-18 19:25:33
223.   Greg Brock
I don't know that I've ever seen a team get this many easy offensive rebounds in an NBA game.
2007-01-18 19:27:15
224.   D4P
The headbanded guys for Dallas are annoying me. Box them out, for pity's sake!
2007-01-18 19:28:42
225.   Greg Brock
12 offensive rebounds in the first 19 minutes.
2007-01-18 19:41:43
226.   trainwreck
There is so much good basketball on my head is going to explode.
2007-01-18 19:48:48
227.   overkill94
These USC announcers are ridiculous homers. "Arizona has 4 turnovers on the game. SC is MUCH better with only 2"
2007-01-18 19:49:52
228.   overkill94
The heck is wrong with UCLA tonight? Has ASU led anyone by 11 points at any point this year?
2007-01-18 19:51:37
229.   Bob Timmermann
ASU has three wins by more than 11 points this season.
2007-01-18 19:51:57
230.   Daniel Zappala
Luke Jackson and Luke Ridnour at The Pit was amazing.
2007-01-18 19:52:41
231.   trainwreck
3 games on and the three teams I want all losing.
2007-01-18 19:53:09
232.   overkill94
229 Thanks for harshing my hyperbole, fact boy
2007-01-18 19:59:25
233.   D4P
Don't forget Freddy Jones!
2007-01-18 19:59:46
234.   overkill94
Arizona's outside shooting has been pretty poor lately after being positively lights out earlier in the year. Are they already getting tired?
2007-01-18 20:01:14
235.   D4P
Sadly, Maria Kirilenko has lost.
2007-01-18 20:05:04
236.   Bob Timmermann

Just filling my niche.

I'm having a hard time believing that Herb Sendek and I are that close in age. Sendek looks older than Lute Olson.

2007-01-18 20:07:25
237.   trainwreck
I know for a fact Budinger has been complaining about being tired and sore. No idea about the other players.
2007-01-18 20:11:04
238.   trainwreck
I wonder how many people will watch the UCLA game over the Office? Probably just me.
2007-01-18 20:12:02
239.   Greg Brock
In a perfect world, halftime hits at 8:29.
2007-01-18 20:14:00
240.   trainwreck
You can blame ASU for making this a game.

How dare they want to win a game.

2007-01-18 20:14:56
241.   trainwreck
Roll may be the worst "designated shooter" I have ever seen. Honestly, how does a "shooter" air ball it an open three that badly.
2007-01-18 20:16:02
242.   trainwreck
*airball an open three...
2007-01-18 20:21:37
243.   Bob Timmermann
The world is sadly imperfect. Stupid lack of free throws!
2007-01-18 20:22:17
244.   Greg Brock
Yeah, I was hoping for some good fouls there to slow it down.


2007-01-18 20:30:59
245.   trainwreck
At least the Lakers are reducing my TV options.
2007-01-18 20:35:03
246.   D4P
I stopped watching the Lakers prior to halftime. I didn't expect much from them after playing San Antonio last night.
2007-01-18 20:44:50
247.   Bob Timmermann
No doubt Herb Sendek has kept ASU ahead because of what he learned from his industrial management major at Carnegie-Mellon.
2007-01-18 21:12:11
248.   Xeifrank
Sorry to interrupt with a Dodger post. I ran the Dodgers ZIPS stats through the lineup analyzer with the usual 8 starting suspects.
Best lineup:
Martin-Garciappara-Furcal-Kent-Ethier-Betemit-Gonzo-Pitcher-Pierre (815.3 Runs)

Expected Lineup:
Pierre-Furcal-Nomar-Kent-Gonzo-Ethier-Betemit-Martin-Pitcher (781.9 Runs)

Worst Possible Lineup:
Pitcher-Gonzo-Nomar-Pierre-Betemit-Martin-Furcal-Ethier-Kent (747.2)

... back to the bball.
vr, Xei

2007-01-18 21:14:39
249.   Bob Timmermann
Juan Pierre would be a good #9 hitter in an AL lineup.
2007-01-18 21:15:06
250.   trainwreck
I thought Furcal was going to lead off and Pierre be second?
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2007-01-18 21:15:31
251.   D4P
Why is it that the lineup analyzer always suggests that the best possible lineup involves the pitcher hitting 8th instead of 9th?
2007-01-18 21:24:30
252.   D4P
Thursday night is a lousy night for chatting at DT.
2007-01-18 21:26:00
253.   trainwreck

I was surprised that people were not talking about the Office at Screen Jam.

2007-01-18 21:28:17
254.   Daniel Zappala
251 My guess is that it frontloads the lineup with good hitters, and you want someone getting on base in front of them. Rather than hitting that person first, especially if the OBP is low, bat him last. Pierre's OBP will be way higher than the pitcher's, so you are more likely to have someone on base as the lineup cycles around. This outweighs the extra outs from having the pitcher hit more because the difference between the 8th and 9th spots in terms of number of at bats is small.

Purely off the top of my head and I could easily be wrong.

2007-01-18 21:29:23
255.   Andrew Shimmin
All the Walmart talk reminded me that I wanted to pick up a can of compressed air, to clean out my laptop. So I popped in, only to find they've quite carrying the real size, because of teenagers huffing it. So, thanks again teenagers, for ruining things for real people. Way to be.
2007-01-18 21:30:44
256.   trainwreck
I've seen people huffing that stuff and you can see in their eyes their brain just frying.
2007-01-18 21:31:01
257.   D4P
This from

Luis Gonzalez and Juan Pierre are a fair trade for Kenny Lofton and J.D. Drew at almost exactly the same price ($70 million plus, counting Drew's new contract, not his old one)

I guess it's a fair trade, except for the fact that

Lofton > Pierre
Drew > Gonzalez

2007-01-18 21:32:00
258.   Daniel Zappala
Semantics Quibble #452: CNN headline says the Chinese tested a missile that "shot down" a satellite. The text explains they actually destroyed it by ramming it. This is much different than shooting it down.
2007-01-18 21:32:13
259.   D4P
You make fun of organic, but you pay money for air in a can...?
2007-01-18 21:32:45
260.   trainwreck
And I base this off of absolutely nothing.
2007-01-18 21:32:55
261.   Greg Brock
Jon Heyman really needs to stop. Every article is a step down.
2007-01-18 21:34:56
262.   trainwreck
Arizona is about to lose to USC.
2007-01-18 21:35:37
263.   Andrew Shimmin
Well, I didn't buy it, today, since it was the wrong size. But, yeah. I don't have a compressor; how else should I clean the dust out of my computer?
2007-01-18 21:37:02
264.   trainwreck
He says the Cubs overspent for almost everyone and screwed up by not extending Zambrano, but then he gives them an A-.
2007-01-18 21:40:23
265.   overkill94
Arizona played like crap tonight, shooting only 38%. They really need to start giving more minutes to the bench players just to keep the starters fresh. They were able to get away with it earlier in the year, but the guys seem tired and it's showing up in their shooting percentages.
2007-01-18 21:40:33
266.   Bob Timmermann
I would suggest blowing really hard.

A small straw used for coffee works great!

2007-01-18 21:41:24
267.   trainwreck
Plus they faced a team that actually plays defense.
2007-01-18 21:52:00
268.   Bob Timmermann
If the Pac-10 tournament started today:
Stanford (7) vs. Arizona State (10)
Washington (8) vs. Oregon State (9)

Oregon (1) vs. UW/OSU/ASU
UCLA (2) vs. Stan/UW/OSU
Washington State (3) vs. Arizona (6)
USC (4) vs. Cal (5)

2007-01-18 21:52:33
269.   Andrew Shimmin
I would weep for your computer, but it's an Apple, so I'm indifferent. Spitting in to the exhaust ducting is not the same as cleaning your laptop.
2007-01-19 06:55:06
270.   Daniel Zappala
269 I have a spare can I can send you, but then I might be arrested for trafficking in stimulants. Shop Fry's instead.

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