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Colletti Chitchat
2007-01-20 22:37
by Jon Weisman

Dodger general manager Ned Colletti spoke to Joe Hamrahi of Baseball Digest Daily. Not particlarly newsy for us locals, except for some affirmations. Here's an excerpt.

BDD: You brought in a lot of veteran free agents this year with Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre, Randy Wolf, Luis Gonzalez and Nomar (Garciaparra) coming back. With all these veterans coming in, are you basically saying that guys like James Loney, Matt Kemp, and maybe Chad Billingsley aren't quite ready for Major League action?

NC: No, I don't think so. It's more about us having enough depth, and making sure the young players are as prepared to play here as possible. The season is long, and a lot of things can happen. There are a lot of ups and downs. I don't believe you can go into a season with a lot of question marks and a lot of unproven situations. Because once you get into the season you can't change it.

But that's not a knock on the young players. I think it gives them a chance to thrive. I think Grady (Little) did a great job last year of mixing and matching veterans and young players. I'd rather have a young player competing against his teammates initially for playing time than to give a player a job and ask him to compete against the rest of the league with no safety net.

BDD: And it's not like you've gone and traded away your prospects.

NC: No. The young players are very much a part of our present and our future. Billingsley has a chance to start and stick with us all year. Kemp … Kemp is going to have a chance to compete for a job in spring training. (Andre) Ethier is going to have a chance to retain his job in spring training. (Russ) Martin is the number one catcher. Loney is going to have the chance to make the club as both a first baseman and a swing outfielder.

Meanwhile, Andrew Grant at True Blue L.A. passes along a Hardball Times Annual finding that Juan Pierre has the third-worst outfield arm in baseball since 1957, though Andrew Shimmin points out in the comments that at least Pierre has some range.

Comments (199)
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2007-01-20 22:53:11
1.   Andrew Shimmin
I dithered, as is my wont, about his range in a follow up.
2007-01-20 22:58:29
2.   Andrew Shimmin
Which I mention only because I'm already on the outs with Steve for defending Mark Hendrickson a few days back. The last thing I need is a Pierre-loving kicker.
2007-01-20 23:03:45
3.   Greg Brock
With all these veterans coming in, are you basically saying that guys like James Loney, Matt Kemp, and maybe Chad Billingsley aren't quite ready for Major League action?

Yes. That's what he's saying.

2007-01-20 23:22:47
4.   das411
"I don't believe you can go into a season with a lot of question marks and a lot of unproven situations. Because once you get into the season you can't change it."

um....isn't this his job, to do exactly that?

2007-01-21 00:43:44
5.   natepurcell
the interview basically conforms for me that Colletti is absolutely paranoid about being short-handed at any point of the season.

hence, the 15 shortstops on the roster last year.

2007-01-21 00:53:26
6.   natepurcell
henson wants to talk elbert:

Elbert, a left-hander, was a first-round pick in 2004 who has climbed steadily through the farm system and could be ready for the major leagues by midseason.

maybe midseason 2008 Stevie.

2007-01-21 06:35:53
7.   MartinBillingsley31
I just wish Grady would at least let Wolf and Kuo kinda fight it out for the 5th starter, with the top 4 set as Schmidt, Penny, Lowe, Billingsley.

And I'd wish Grady would at least platoon Kemp and Loney, and the same goes for Betemit and Laroche, with the other 6 being Martin, Nomar, Kent, Furcal, Eithier, Gonzo.
Then if Both Kemp and Loney outperform Gonzo, send Gonzo to the bench.

The one guy that sticks out like a sore thumb that shouldn't even be on the team is Pierre.

2007-01-21 07:02:41
8.   Bumsrap
Freom True Blue

How about if we used the best players avialable? For ZIPS, we use this lineup:




2007-01-21 08:33:17
9.   CanuckDodger
I laughed when I read that even Henson is surprised that Mark Alexander didn't get an invite to the big league club's spring training. Even if the Dodgers are, as I suspect, doubtful Alexander will ever fit in their plans, his performance in 2006, at as a high a level as Double A, merited an invitation. He did win the organization's Pitcher of the Year award.

There is of course something else to consider that we have not considerd yet: that Alexander might be injured. He only pitched briefly in the Dominican Winter League before returning home, though nothing was said at the time about an injury.

2007-01-21 09:02:40
10.   Xeifrank
7. I agree. But I don't have a problem with limiting Guo's innings, perhaps just a 20% increase over last years would be fine. And one way of limiting Guo's innings would be to have Wolf begin the season as the 5th starter and use Guo out of the bullpen (not in AAA as a starter). This would do two things. 1) Give Wolf a fair shot at seeing if he can return to his pre-injury talent level or not... and 2) Cut back on Guo's innings, allowing him to come in and be our 5th starter a little later in the season, finishing the season in the rotation.
vr, Xei
2007-01-21 09:30:19
11.   Icaros

How do you feel about K/Guo's apparent inability to fully warm up out of the pen? If he's more comfortable physically working as a starter, then I would be inclined to only use him in that context, since he is still a huge injury risk.

If he starts the season in Vegas, then he can easily be plugged in if Wolf or Schmidt's arm falls off, or Penny is jailed for a road-rage incident, or Lowe mixes his pills with too much booze, etc.

2007-01-21 10:29:45
12.   Bob Timmermann
So how do you feel about we being the only two people who are awake at this time and not doing something with a family or going to church or some such thing?
2007-01-21 10:33:40
13.   D4P
So how do you feel about war?
2007-01-21 10:34:58
14.   Xeifrank
11. I wouldn't put Guo at AAA in a starting role as it will add to his innings pitched. If you are going to start him in the rotation at AAA< then you mind as well put him in the rotation in the majors. I am not sure I buy the "proper" warming up thing. I've heard it mentioned, just not sure I buy it. I would put keeping innings off his arm above of worrying about warming up problems as far as priorities go. vr, Xei
2007-01-21 10:38:46
15.   StolenMonkey86
Combining the regular season and playoffs, Kuo pitched 117.3 innings, while Billingsley pitched 162. Kuo of course pitched more for Taiwan this offseason (I don't know how many), so that would raise his total a little.

Pitching 180 innings would be a 10% increase for Billingsley. A 20% jump for Kuo then would be about 140 including the postseason.

2007-01-21 10:39:25
16.   Greg Brock
13 Stop that!
2007-01-21 10:42:43
17.   Bob Timmermann
I will just say this (mainly because the meter is close)

Juan! huh-yeah!
What is he good for?
Absolutely nothing!

Juan! huh-yeah!
What is he good for?
Absolutely nothing!
Say it again!

2007-01-21 10:45:41
18.   Bob Timmermann
But back to Kuo, there have been cases of relief pitchers who needed more time to warm up. Sasaki of the Mariners was one like it. In general, pitchers from Japan take a long time to warm up. They just have a different practice routine.

I don't know enough if Taiwanese pitchers follow Japanesee practice techniques or if they are more like MLB. I would be inclined to think that the former is more common.

2007-01-21 10:47:40
19.   D4P
Viper: [Discussing Juan] Let me ask you something, if you had to go into battle, would you want him on your side?
Jester: I don't know. I just don't know.
2007-01-21 10:51:58
20.   Greg Brock
Wow, Top Gun. You know, not that there's anything wrong with that.
2007-01-21 10:54:11
21.   D4P
There didn't use to be anything wrong with Top Gun.
2007-01-21 10:55:41
22.   Bob Timmermann
There didn't use to be anything wrong with Juan Pierre either.
2007-01-21 11:02:01
23.   Icaros
I am not sure I buy the "proper" warming up thing.

I wouldn't normally myself, but it was Kuo who made that comment, and I'd tend to believe a guy who has already felt his arm blow-up twice.

If you are going to start him in the rotation at AAA< then you mind as well put him in the rotation in the majors.

I thought that was the plan, until the superfluous Randy Wolf signing.

2007-01-21 11:05:56
24.   Greg Brock
If Kuo starts in the majors, that means Billingsley doesn't (provided Lowe, Penny, Wolfe, and Schmidt are healthy).

So, yeah, I hope Kuo enjoys Vegas.

2007-01-21 11:10:38
25.   Icaros
I'm still open to the Kuo-in-rotation-Billingsley-in-pen plan. But I'm also really starting to wish Wolf wasn't here, since he's just been handed a rotation slot that he really doesn't deserve.
2007-01-21 11:16:07
26.   Greg Brock
Billingsley was 7-4 with a 3.80 ERA as a 22 year old rookie. He's also the highest rated pitching prospect the Dodgers have in like, forever. I like Kuo, but why would you possibly want to mess around with a kid like this?

Billingsley is the man. If you can find a staring spot for Kuo, splendid. But please Dodgers, don't mess around with Billingsley.

2007-01-21 11:20:33
27.   D4P
If you can find a staring spot for Kuo, splendid

He can get a pretty good view from the dugout. But I'd still prefer him to be on the field.

2007-01-21 11:25:08
28.   Icaros

Mainly because Billingsley did well out of the pen last year and Kuo didn't. And injury concerns aside, I think Kuo might be better than Billingsley anyway.

I'm not sold on anyone being the man yet, and if I was GM they'd both be starting, but I'm not and apparently they're not either.

2007-01-21 11:28:31
29.   D4P
I think Kuo might be better than Billingsley anyway

Not to mention that Kuo is likely better than Wolf. What is it about Wolf's most recent seasons that makes people optimistic about his performance this season?

2007-01-21 11:32:48
30.   Icaros

I totally agree, but I didn't want to bash Wolf for a third-straight comment.

I have no problem with the Wolf signing for the purposes of depth and insurance, but he has no business in the rotation without having to prove himself better than Billingsley and Kuo.

2007-01-21 11:34:12
31.   Greg Brock
I think Kuo might be better than Billingsley anyway.

Wow. Just wow. This kind of brings me to something I've been thinking about. A lot of folks around these great parts are bullish on Kuo, which is nice. But I think a lot of people are also in for a very rude awakening. I think he can be a fine pitcher, but there is no indication that he's going to be whatever it is that so many people think. He's a lefty and throws hard. That's awesome. But the Kuo infatuation is kind of crazy.

Also, there has never been any indication, at any level, ever, using any metric, that Kuo will be better than Chad Billingsley. None.

2007-01-21 11:38:31
32.   Icaros

Dude, we're talking about pitching prospects. Nobody knows what will happen with them. Stop acting like I've just said that Babe Ruth was worse than David Eckstein.

2007-01-21 11:39:01
33.   das411
30 - "[Wolf] has no business in the rotation without having to prove himself better than Billingsley and Kuo."


Jon, can we get a counter up top to let us know exactly how long there is until pitchers and catchers report?

31 - "A lot of folks around these great parts are bullish on [Billingsley], which is nice. But I think a lot of people are also in for a very rude awakening. I think he can be a fine pitcher, but there is no indication that he's going to be whatever it is that so many people think. He's a [righty] and throws hard. That's awesome. But the [Billingsley] infatuation is kind of crazy.

Also, there has never been any indication, at any level, ever, using any metric, that [Billingsley] will be better than [Randy Wolf]. None."

2007-01-21 11:39:12
34.   D4P
For one thing, these numbers make some people bullish on Kuo. Small sample size warning obviously applies, but still...

2007-01-21 11:39:24
35.   Greg Brock
32 I didn't think I was particularly rude or anything. No need to get defensive. Kuo's cool.
2007-01-21 11:41:32
36.   natepurcell
it'll work itself out as the season progresses.
2007-01-21 11:41:33
37.   Greg Brock
33 I didn't assert that Billingsley would be better than Wolf. I didn't say a thing about Wolf. That was somebody else.

34 Again, I like Kuo.

2007-01-21 11:43:00
38.   natepurcell

obviously, the dodgers are banking on Wolf having a healthy elbow. In the years where he has had a healthy arm, he has been a good pitcher. And the last couple of years, he has been injured or in pain.

2007-01-21 11:46:39
39.   Icaros

I wasn't getting defensive, but at this early stage of their careers I think it's not too much to assert that one promising young pitcher might be better than another promising young pitcher without the Greg Brock class lecture.

2007-01-21 11:48:00
40.   Greg Brock
39 Wow. Sorry.
2007-01-21 11:49:00
41.   D4P
Are there medical reasons to believe he'll be healthier this year than the past two?
2007-01-21 11:51:25
42.   Bob Timmermann
One day I see people from Long Beach and people from Torrance standing together hand in hand, judging pitching prospects not by their potential, but by their ERA and the content of their characters.

I have a dream.

2007-01-21 11:52:05
43.   natepurcell

well uh, he had TJ surgery to fix the elbow pain, rehabbed, pitched in the second half last year pain free and showed he had his stuff back. The only thing missing was stamina and control; which is the characteristic of the majority of first years of TJ comebackers.

2007-01-21 11:52:58
44.   natepurcell
and to add to 43, i assume the dodgers had Wolf go through a physical and ran some tests on his elbow to see if it was structurally well.
2007-01-21 11:59:29
45.   D4P
Prepare to be shocked: the NFL players association opposes HGH testing.

2007-01-21 12:08:06
46.   Icaros

No worries. Didn't mean to get snotty.

2007-01-21 12:15:34
47.   natepurcell

Utley is set for life.

2007-01-21 12:17:01
48.   Icaros

Sorry that I'm not a Phillies fan and am not that impressed with a guy who has had two seasons in his career (five years ago) with an ERA under 4.00.

He's okay, but his upside is not too exciting for me.

2007-01-21 12:17:37
49.   natepurcell

honestly, i think this was premature. he was in his first yr of salary arb and is already 28.

2007-01-21 12:36:10
50.   Bumsrap
Do we know if Liariano will ever pitch again? He was a young pitcher that perhaps was over used and it got him hurt.

If Ned and Grady wind up letting the best players play then I like that the Dodgers will not be relying on players that are not yet 27, the time when they usually become good and consistant.

I would be more confortable if I thought the pricier veterans would sit when the cheap young players were ready, regardless of the situation.

Penny starting in the playoffs last year over Bills tells I may be dreaming.

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2007-01-21 12:46:58
51.   Greg Brock
Somebody reminded the Saints that they are the Saints.
2007-01-21 12:48:33
52.   bhsportsguy
Bob - I just got the Get Smart DVD set for the entire 5 seasons, personally, once Max and 99 got serious, it really went downhill IMHO but the classic early episodes which included Siegfried's first appearance where this exchange occurred:

Max: What happened?
Siegfried: We silenced him with a pistol butt.
Max: Well that's a little drastic, couldn't you just shoosh him?
Siegfried: We don't shoosh here.

The first episode I watched was the one where Max plays the Scar, a munitions expert and it had the part where after the Dutchman makes all the introductions, he comes to the part where he asks the Scar how he intends to blow up the safe and he pulls out a vial identified as nitroglycerine and says with this, the Dutchman says "You are a cool one Herr Scar."

Get Smart had a number of those lines that my friends and I used while growing up and to this day, if one of us says something like "we don't shoosh here" or "the old hacksaw in the belt buckle trick", we bust up.

2007-01-21 12:49:16
53.   Andrew Shimmin
50- Well, we don't know for sure that he will (we're all day to day, as Vin might remind us), but he very likely will. Though, not for a while.

2007-01-21 12:58:04
54.   Marty
52 Your shoe is ringing.
2007-01-21 13:01:58
55.   trainwreck
I just want to hear Ned say something positive about LaRoche and giving LaRoche a chance. He barely ever mentions our best positional prospect.
2007-01-21 13:05:32
56.   trainwreck
They are making a Get Smart movie with Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway as Agent 99. The Rock is going to be a new agent and Terence Stamp is going to be the bad guy.
2007-01-21 13:06:44
57.   Icaros

This wasn't bad:

BDD: Are you comfortable going into camp with the Wilson Betemit as your starting third baseman? Or will Andy LaRoche get a long look with an opportunity to win the job?

NC: I think there's always competition at this level. I think that LaRoche deserves the opportunity to compete for a starting position, and Wilson Betemit deserves the opportunity to retain his spot. We'll let them figure it out.

2007-01-21 13:10:58
58.   bhsportsguy
54 Just think, someone watching Star Trek and Get Smart probably got the idea for wireless communication.

55 I think part of it is that LaRoche still has 2 more option years and the Dodgers having Betemit at a cheap price already ahead of him. Also, LaRoche still has not played a full season in AAA and I think, like Loney and Kemp, the plan is to let them play everyday there as opposed to sitting up in MLB.

Actually, that is pretty much the plan of most big league teams, they are just real hesitant to promote young players unless they have to due to injuries or other personnel moves. Look at the current economics, you really only have 3 years at a reasonable price if your prospect plays well, after that, you have to start paying them like a veteran. Now, perhaps it pays off if you get a good deal like Pujols but if you can't get the player to agree to a long term deal, they can continue to double up (just think, if K-Rod has another good year, he might make 10M+ next year as a closer).

2007-01-21 13:12:16
59.   bhsportsguy
56 The Rock could play Hymie but that might be a stretch.
2007-01-21 13:23:25
60.   Bob Timmermann
Nate whiffed on The Griddle like Mustafa Shakur bricking a jumper.

2007-01-21 13:23:45
61.   bhsportsguy
Ned also confirmed in his interview what I thought might be his rationile on the Juan Pierre deal, frankly he doesn't sound quite pleased more like Pierre was in the right place at the right time.

NC: Well, the deal came about for a couple of reasons. First of all, J.D. Drew left the club. So if you looked at the board, you saw we had Andre Ethier, who only really had four months of big league time, as our only everyday outfielder coming back. We had one. We had to have at least three. (laughs)

The second piece was…on the free agent market there wasn't an abundance of outfielders. (Alfonso) Soriano was going to Chicago. There weren't many everyday outfielders after that. Is five years a long time for a contract? Sure. But the market bore out what it was going to take…at least from what the agent said and what our sources told us. If I was going to make that kind of deal, I wanted to at least do it with someone who had a track record of being healthy…who loves to play everyday. If you look at his track record, it's pretty consistent. The strengths and the weaknesses are there practically every year. He played 162 games a year for the last four years. He has a lot of hits. (He) doesn't hit the ball out of the park much. So you kind of know, that in the case of Juan Pierre, you have as good a feel for what to expect as any other player.

2007-01-21 13:24:33
62.   caseybarker
One concern of mine is that Keith Law (ESPN)said during his chat last week that Billingsley is available in a trade for a power hitter.
2007-01-21 13:35:52
63.   trainwreck
You know you can expect Juan Pierre to not be worth his contract.
2007-01-21 13:46:51
64.   Xeifrank
Find me any starting pitcher that beat Guo in the following stats for the month of September (the month Guo startedO last year.
K/9, K/BB and HR/9
vr, Xei
2007-01-21 13:57:59
66.   natepurcell
I know you think that the proper Korean is Guo

maybe you should get his nationality right before speaking up.

2007-01-21 14:08:33
67.   overkill94
64 I hate to pile on the hate, but you've brought up those numbers a zillion times before. It was just one month. Kevin Maas also had a really good month.
2007-01-21 14:09:43
68.   Greg Brock
Contentious day today.

I think everybody's just upset that Ashley Harkleroad lost.

2007-01-21 14:11:03
69.   D4P
Enough of the divisive baseball talk already! Can't we talk something friendly like politics?
2007-01-21 14:13:58
70.   trainwreck
Kuo will get his shot sometime this year, because I am sure someone will get injured. I think Kuo is going to be real good, but I have no problem saving his arm a bit, because we have the depth to do it.
2007-01-21 14:14:56
71.   ToyCannon
I'm a big Guo fan because when he was 1st signed he showed everybit the ability that Kershaw showed last year in the same small sample size. I remember being crushed when Guo went down with the 1st TJ surgery. I felt it was Kiki Jones and Dan Opperman all over again. To say that Guo hasn't shown the ability to outpitch Billingsly at any level is just wrong.
Guo signed as a 19 year old and pitched for
A+, Rookie, Rookie. Of course it took him 3 years to pitch 36 innings but the results were still spectacular.

Clayton last year

I felt Kuo regained his command as he pitched more innings and got his mechanics back in sync. Not sure why people are down on the Wolf signing. More starting pitchers are a good thing or hasn't anybody noticed the attrition rate of starting pitchers as the season progresses.

2007-01-21 14:17:59
72.   Steve
But the market bore out what it was going to take…at least from what the agent said and what our sources told us.

This is ridiculous, and no explanation at all. I wonder if the Road-runner repainted the line into the cliff whether Colletti would just keep running.

2007-01-21 14:19:36
73.   D4P
Not sure why people are down on the Wolf signing

I think people are "down" because of the perception (whether justified or not) that Wolf (with his "LA discount" $8 million salary) has been virtually guaranteed a spot in the rotation, thus bumping out either Billingsley or Kuo without a "fair" competition.

2007-01-21 14:20:54
74.   trainwreck
At least Wolf has upside unlike Gonzo.
2007-01-21 14:20:59
75.   ToyCannon
I think he only uses the sample size whenever somone asks why were bullish on Guo. I guess if you ask a zillion times then you might get the same response a zillion times. So what is a zillion times in your household(3 or 4) cause I'm fairly certain that if you search the archives that is about as many times as Xei has shown the sample size.
2007-01-21 14:21:44
76.   Icaros

Yes. I want to turn to Wolf when Billingsley or Kuo flops, not the other way around.

2007-01-21 14:24:46
77.   Andrew Shimmin
Another thing to like about Guo is that his BABIP was so high. During that small sample size month of awesomeness, it was .377.
2007-01-21 14:52:55
80.   Greg Brock
The Philosopher King is not amused.

Chicago Bears in the Super Bowl. Expect silly rap songs to follow.

2007-01-21 14:55:47
81.   caseybarker
I am looking forward to super bowl shuffle II.

If the Patriots make the Super Bowl, I would expect a blowout. The Patriots will not make as many mistakes as the Saints have today.

2007-01-21 14:57:15
82.   Icaros
I missed what happened. Could someone fill me in?
2007-01-21 15:00:05
83.   Greg Brock
82 Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.
2007-01-21 15:00:08
84.   trainwreck
Rex Grossman should not be a Super Bowl starting QB.
2007-01-21 15:00:55
85.   Greg Brock
82 But seriously, it was no big deal. Some people were having some fun with g's and k's.
2007-01-21 15:01:01
86.   trainwreck
... And then Dodger Thoughts was created.
2007-01-21 15:01:20
87.   caseybarker
I thought the dinosaurs died from smoking.
2007-01-21 15:01:50
88.   Bob Timmermann
David Woodley and Tony Eason say hi!
2007-01-21 15:02:23
89.   Icaros

Yeah, it was me. What violation did I commit?

2007-01-21 15:03:51
90.   Greg Brock
89 I just think the PK was making a point to everybody to dial it down a notch today.

Which stinks, because I was just about to lay into D4P somethin' fierce...

2007-01-21 15:04:19
91.   trainwreck
I think they ate too many hydrogenated fats.
2007-01-21 15:05:18
92.   regfairfield
71 When I heard about the Wolf signing, I was all for it, but the more I looked into the guy, the less I liked him. His 3.20 ERA year was primarily because of the best BABIP in the league, he was a better pitcher the year before according to his perhiprials.

Aside from one year where he got his home run rate down, he gave up a lot of home runs in a slight pitchers and has seen his strikeout rate decrease constantly.

The upside of the Wolf deal is that he pitches like he did was he was 26. How likely is that four years later? It seems like there's a chance he'll be a decent 4.50 ERA guy, and an equal chance he'll chance he'll put a 6.00 ERA on the board. I hate to say this, but we have that guy already in Tomko. It certainly isn't a horrible deal, but Wolf isn't near the high upside signing that I originally thought it was.

2007-01-21 15:06:01
93.   Greg Brock
Everyone knows that Raquel Welch killed the dinosaurs.

2007-01-21 15:07:10
94.   Icaros
I think this is a sign for me to say less for awhile.
2007-01-21 15:07:35
95.   Bob Timmermann
Joe Kapp says hi also! And Craig Morton!

In general, Cal QBs and Super Bowls don't mix.

2007-01-21 15:08:31
96.   Marty
I'm always really curious when I notice some comments have been disappeared. I think it's time I subscribe to Dodger Thoughts Insider.
2007-01-21 15:08:59
97.   trainwreck
It was probably Al Davis actually. He is Satan after all.
2007-01-21 15:10:23
98.   Marty has to love that Rextacy is going to the super bowl.
2007-01-21 15:12:15
99.   Marty
I blew the url, it's
2007-01-21 15:12:19
100.   Andrew Shimmin, perhaps?
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2007-01-21 15:12:43
101.   Andrew Shimmin
2007-01-21 15:12:58
102.   caseybarker
It was great when Rex tried to call back-to-back timeouts. He looked like a confused child.
2007-01-21 15:13:11
103.   Greg Brock
99 The persona they created for Rex Grossman is one of the funnier things I've seen in awhile around the tubes.

The cannon cannot be stopped.

2007-01-21 15:14:05
104.   Jon Weisman
Two comments were deleted because of language.
Icaros' comment was deleted mainly because of what Greg said in 90. However innocent, it opened the door for more sniping.

I think the points regarding the spelling of Kuo's name have been made plenty at this point. As far as I'm concerned, for now, Kuo and Guo are acceptable - and there should be no need for anyone to correct anyone else. Let's just let it go at this point.

2007-01-21 15:15:55
105.   Bumsrap
Schmidt vs. Billingsley
Lowe vs. Kuo
Penny vs. Elbert
Wolf vs. Meloan
Tomko vs. Tsao
2007-01-21 15:16:29
106.   Bumsrap
105 the 51s will have a better rotation
2007-01-21 15:16:57
107.   trainwreck
We don't need to Guo there guys.

I should write for MadTV.

2007-01-21 15:21:07
108.   D4P
Icaros' comment was deleted mainly because of what Greg said in 90

Yeah. This was completely unacceptable.

I was just about to lay into D4P somethin' fierce

2007-01-21 15:24:59
109.   Andrew Shimmin
Paul Anka: To stop [D4P] 1-2-3,
Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free,
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...
Lisa: Guarantee void in Tennessee.

Both: Just don't look! Just don't look!
Just don't look! Just don't look!
Just don't look! Just don't look!

2007-01-21 15:25:10
110.   trainwreck
I am going out to watch AFC game so I wish you guys fun while watching the game or whatever you are doing, unless you are rooting for the Patriots then I hope you cry.
2007-01-21 15:25:55
111.   Greg Brock
Now accepting the George Halas Trophy...Mother Goose.
2007-01-21 15:27:01
112.   caseybarker
I second that. My hatred of the Patriots just does not want to die.
2007-01-21 15:27:35
113.   Marty
Actually, I am sort of rooting for the Patriots, kinda
2007-01-21 15:32:14
115.   D4P
My hatred of the Patriots just does not want to die

Mine will never die. At least, not for a few years or so.

2007-01-21 15:35:16
116.   regfairfield
I'm rooting for the Colts because I really hate when the "A-Rod chokes in the playoffs argument" is applied to anyone.
2007-01-21 15:36:26
117.   D4P
I hate when the "Tom Brady is the clutchiest QB ever" argument is applied to Tom Brady
2007-01-21 15:38:15
118.   caseybarker
If the Patriots win, though, you've got to put them with the late 1980's-early 1990's 49'ers in terms of greatness.

The 49'ers are better because they dominated, but the Patriots are better because they stand out in the so-called age of parity.

2007-01-21 15:38:20
119.   regfairfield
Oh yeah, I dislike Tom Brady for the opposite reason.
2007-01-21 15:40:41
120.   regfairfield
When nothing was going right for the Patriots...Tom Brady threw an interception that was turned into a 20 yard gain.
2007-01-21 15:41:33
121.   ToyCannon
Patriots will win, we couldn't possibly be stuck with a Super Bowl of the Bears/Colts.
2007-01-21 15:42:09
122.   caseybarker
Yeah, the Chargers choked that one away. Was it Jue who fumbled that interception?
2007-01-21 15:52:22
123.   natepurcell
Yeah, the Chargers choked that one away. Was it Jue who fumbled that interception?

I couldnt tell, he shifted his shape.

2007-01-21 15:53:46
124.   Bob Timmermann
Marlon McCree was the guilty party.
2007-01-21 16:05:22
125.   caseybarker
Holy roller!
2007-01-21 16:05:32
126.   natepurcell
haha, is it luck that the patriots seem to get all the bounces?
2007-01-21 16:05:59
127.   regfairfield
More heroics from Tom Brady.
2007-01-21 16:45:08
128.   Bob Timmermann
Oooh, I'm feeling all 1986-like!
2007-01-21 16:59:48
129.   D4P
Top Gun was released in 1986
2007-01-21 17:03:53
130.   twerp
53 From the link to

Liriano said he felt pain through five starts without telling the team, and that could have aggravated the injury.

"I decided to tough it out, even though now I know I shouldn't have," he said.

Sounds like he'd fit right in on the Dodgers.

2007-01-21 17:20:05
131.   Greg Brock
Eventually the Colts are going to run out of ways to lose to the Patriots.

They'll just replay old games on television instead of playing new ones.

2007-01-21 17:26:52
132.   Andrew Shimmin
A legacy anybody could be proud of. Relatedly, I had no idea Retrosheet is a 501(c)(3).

2007-01-21 17:37:54
133.   D4P
It's not a good time to be a SABR-friendly Giants fan
2007-01-21 17:54:49
134.   Rocc
Thanks for adding me as a link, DRays Bay has hit the big time!!
2007-01-21 17:57:14
135.   Bob Timmermann

Is it ever a good time to be a Giants fan? Dave Smith, the founder of Retrosheet, is a big Dodgers fan and he may be the biggest Dodgers fan in the state of Delaware.

2007-01-21 17:58:18
136.   Bob Timmermann
No, don't go for 2 before the 4th!
2007-01-21 17:59:27
137.   Greg Brock
136 If I didn't say it, I knew you would.

Yup, you guys made it. Still stupid.

2007-01-21 17:59:45
138.   Bob Timmermann
I'm still opposed to it! Even though it worked. It's the equivalent of the Stupid Bunt Play!
2007-01-21 18:00:50
139.   Bob Timmermann
But how comes Peyton Manning gets more endorsements than Tom Brady despite Brady's postseason heroics and better looks?
2007-01-21 18:02:20
140.   regfairfield
[ 136] Interesting, I would say always go for two since they get converted more than half the time. There are certain situations where it's not warranted, but I don't see much harm attempting one in this situation.
2007-01-21 18:07:20
141.   Bob Timmermann
Football nerds discuss going for two:

2007-01-21 18:19:42
142.   D4P
If the Colts score a touchdown here, I hope they go for 2
2007-01-21 18:22:27
143.   Bob Timmermann

Very Boise State/Oregon State like of you.

2007-01-21 18:23:02
144.   Bob Timmermann
I'm guessing centers don't score many touchdowns in football.
2007-01-21 18:27:41
145.   D4P
Centers score more touchdowns in football than they do in other sports
2007-01-21 18:37:43
146.   Bob Timmermann
But if I didn't specify, you would have just gone with the inevitable "scoring at home" joke. So I was trying for a preemptive strike.

Hoisted by my own petard!

2007-01-21 18:42:25
147.   D4P
the inevitable "scoring at home" joke


2007-01-21 18:52:44
148.   D4P
If I'm the Colts, I just stand there and let New England score on the first play so that there will be enough time to try to tie the score. No sense trying to stop NE from scoring, failing, and letting the clock run down in the process.
2007-01-21 18:54:36
149.   D4P
Well done, Colts. You let them score quickly enough that there's still time left.
2007-01-21 18:54:55
150.   regfairfield
Adam Vinetari has made the list.
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2007-01-21 18:55:13
151.   Bob Timmermann
Someone tell the Colts not to look into Tom Brady's. They're hypnotic....
2007-01-21 18:58:52
152.   D4P
Go for it, Colts!
2007-01-21 19:04:04
153.   Greg Brock
80 yards to glory...Or a field goal.
2007-01-21 19:05:15
154.   Bob Timmermann

That wouldn't sound good even if John Facenda read it.

2007-01-21 19:06:33
155.   Greg Brock
153 NFL Films does not hedge its bets like Greg Brock does.
2007-01-21 19:07:33
156.   Bob Timmermann
The Colts beat the Patriots in the crucial "former UCLA players" category by a margin of 1-0. Bryan Fletcher rocks!
2007-01-21 19:10:26
157.   Bob Timmermann
There are two former Bruins on the Bears.

Which really doesn't make sense if you don't know the context.

2007-01-21 19:11:39
158.   D4P
Go for 2!
2007-01-21 19:11:59
159.   Greg Brock
Holy Smokes. The Dreamboat has 60 seconds to do something very Dreamboatish.
2007-01-21 19:13:15
160.   D4P
Look for a long kickoff return here first
2007-01-21 19:13:23
161.   Bob Timmermann
If the Colts had gone for 2 and made it, then if the Patriots scored a touchdown, the Colts could then win on a field goal!
2007-01-21 19:17:02
162.   D4P
2007-01-21 19:17:22
163.   regfairfield
There is no better way for that game to end.
2007-01-21 19:17:23
164.   Bob Timmermann
Marvin Jackson learned the lesson of last week.
2007-01-21 19:17:31
165.   D4P
Yes! I was gonna yell at that interceptor to just fall down, and he did.
2007-01-21 19:17:54
166.   Greg Brock
Good for Peyton. Now the entire Sportswriters Groupthink Collective can just shut up.
2007-01-21 19:17:55
167.   D4P
That wasn't very clutch
2007-01-21 19:19:10
168.   Bob Timmermann
I love it when QBs known for 4th quarter comebacks screw up at the end. Mainly because they so rarely do it.

But a lot of it comes from my extreme dislike of Joe Montana and John Elway.

2007-01-21 19:20:32
169.   D4P
But a lot of it comes from my extreme dislike of Joe Montana

I have loved you Bob,
But not like this before

2007-01-21 19:20:41
170.   ToyCannon
Great game, kudos to Manning for getting the monkey off his back.
2007-01-21 19:23:06
171.   Greg Brock
Also, this game will feature two African-American coaches, so there might be an article or two about that.
2007-01-21 19:26:01
172.   Bob Timmermann
Joe Montana did play for that school in Indiana.

John Elway is a triple threat:
1) attended my archrival high school
2) attended Stanford
3) forced me to watch numerous boring Super Bowls

2007-01-21 19:27:56
173.   D4P
Joe Montana did play for that school in Indiana

True, but I associate him mostly with that odious NFL team from the Bay Area.

(Well, one of the odious NFL teams from the Bay Area...)

2007-01-21 19:31:24
174.   Bob Timmermann
The Colts have opened up as 6 1/2 point favorites.

(For entertainment purposes only.)

2007-01-21 19:31:39
175.   berkowit28
18 But back to Kuo, there have been cases of relief pitchers who needed more time to warm up. Sasaki of the Mariners was one like it

Would that be "Sasaki of the Sailors of Seattle"?

2007-01-21 19:32:58
176.   Marty
The only pass I give Montana is he came from my father's hometown.
2007-01-21 19:37:14
177.   Greg Brock
Bill Belichick. As charming in defeat as he is in victory.
2007-01-21 19:38:20
178.   Icaros

Geez, no kidding. Someone thinks he should win every year for the rest of his life.

2007-01-21 19:48:39
179.   D4P
I just saw a commercial for Quizno's in which they notified me that, if I'm not 100% satisfied, I'll get a free sub.

But doesn't that just beg the question...?

2007-01-21 19:50:47
180.   LAT
Does anyone outside of Indianapolis and Chicago care about this game? I know I don't.
2007-01-21 19:53:24
181.   Jon Weisman
I like Joe Montana and John Elway.
2007-01-21 19:54:18
182.   Marty
Well, I don't care much about either team, but having the Bears in makes it more fun for me. A friend of mine hosts a superbowl party every year and he's from Chicago. That means he'll be flying in pizza and italian beef sandwiches from Chicago this year. He did this also when the Bulls were good. The downside is, if the Bears win, he'll be insufferable for awhile.
2007-01-21 19:54:49
183.   bhsportsguy
The answer:
Chicago Blackhawks, one Stanley Cup and another NHL Finals since 1946, 3 Cups since 1934.

Chicago Bears: 2 NFL Championships since 1946, 9 Titles since 1921.

Chicago Bulls: 6 NBA Championships since 1991.

Chicago White Sox: 1 World Series title and 2 pennants since 1959; 2 Titles since 1917.

The question is what had Chicago's other professional sports done in the post-season since the Cubs last won a World Series and last played in a World Series.

2007-01-21 20:07:54
184.   natepurcell
so i get out of the rec at around 830 tonight and every car in the parking lot is covered in 2 inches of snow; flakey, powder snow.

its not suppose to snow in downtown tucson.

2007-01-21 20:11:29
185.   Bob Timmermann
This guy said he's spent five white Christmases in Tucson:

2007-01-21 20:32:38
186.   Disabled List
So far, Tucson and Malibu have had more snow this season than New York. Interesting.
2007-01-21 20:37:08
187.   invisibleman
I missed the first half of the AFC game this evening driving through the mountains of north Scottsdale as the snow fell.

Definitely time well spent. I'm sure Tucson received more, even though it never snowed the four years I lived there.

Enjoy the U nate, you'll soon miss it as I do.

2007-01-21 20:45:31
188.   Daniel Zappala
Oddly, though I saw Montana and Young destroy the Rams many times, I really enjoyed watching them. In fact, I can't think of any star quarterback in the NFL that I disliked. I enjoyed McMahon, Marino, Elway, Plunkett, Moon, Montana, Young, Kelly, Tarkenton. OK, maybe I disliked Staubach because he played for the Cowboys, but he's the only one I can think of.
2007-01-21 20:54:11
189.   D4P
though I saw Montana and Young destroy the Rams many times, I really enjoyed watching them

Ugh. At least you have an excuse for liking Young. But Montana? COME ON!

2007-01-21 20:54:54
190.   LAT
I can think of one:

Joseph Robert Theismann

2007-01-21 20:55:04
191.   LAT
I can think of one:

Joseph Robert Theismann

2007-01-21 20:55:52
192.   Bob Timmermann
Fran Tarkenton is beyond the pale. I think Marty would agree with mem.
2007-01-21 20:55:53
193.   LAT
Guess I really dislike him.
2007-01-21 21:07:07
194.   capdodger
I would like to point out two tiny yet important things that Brady did wrong on the penultimate, FG-scoring drive:

1) Snapping the ball too soon. The split end on the left wasn't set yet, and could not possibly have gotten set because Brady rushed the snap. Maybe he thought he saw something? Even if he did, a QB needs to give his players time to get into position. The outcome: 1st and 15, of which the Pats make up 12 and are forced to kick.

2) Snapping too late. On one of the next plays Brady held off on the snap, even though the WR on the right had no one within 15 yards of him. Of course when he did get the ball he dropped it, but if the snap had been two seconds earlier, Buggeye McDroppy could have cha-chaed into the endzone. (Everyone waltzes in...)

2007-01-21 21:16:31
195.   Bob Timmermann
No one ever fox trots into the end zone. Or does the Charleston. Or maybe the Lindy Hop.
2007-01-21 21:25:29
196.   Greg Brock
This Super Bowl is nothing but bad news for Alex Rodriguez. If Peyton wins, the Sportswriter Groupthink Collective will have to pin all the "Can't win the big one, no intangibles, not a clutch guy" stuff onto him alone. No more Peyton to lump in.

A-Rod is a Bears fan for the next few weeks.

2007-01-21 21:34:48
197.   trainwreck
Yes, now I can hope for the slim chance the Pats OC will want to talk to the Raiders about their head coaching position.
2007-01-21 22:03:56
198.   bhsportsguy
This was final finish of the three top moments for the Dodgers as chosen by LA Sports Council.

3. Russ's walk-off
2. Nomar's walk-off grand slam to win the last home game.
1. 4+1

Marlon Anderson accepted the award for the No. 2 moment in 2006 in L.A. sports.

2007-01-21 22:05:55
199.   bhsportsguy
198 Somehow, one day away from the 1 year anniversry of Kobe's 81, I think that will be No. 1.
2007-01-21 22:17:08
200.   bhsportsguy
My two favorite moments of that show.

Phil Jackson referring to Vin Scully as Vince and Vin Scully sending it back to Bill and Petros.

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2007-01-21 22:17:36
201.   gpellamjr
198 I would have had Martin's walk-off above Nomar's grand slam. I just thought it was much more exciting considering the nature of the game, the fact that he was a rookie, and the fact that the Dodgers only needed one run to win the Nomar game.
2007-01-21 22:36:23
202.   gpellamjr
201 That probably requires clarification, considering the Dodgers only needed one run in the Martin-homerun game, too. I meant that the grand slam didn't have all the significance that it might if more than one run were needed.
2007-01-22 00:38:41
203.   dodgerstang
I know you all have explained to me how Bad Juan Pierre is, but I am looking forward to him for "excitement level". Stolen bases are exciting, even if they suck statiscally in most cases. Bad arm means lots of exciting plays with guys trying to stretch an extra base.

I like "Bad Juan Pierre" as a nickname though.

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