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2007-02-11 10:08
by Jon Weisman

Diamond Leung of the Press Enterprise reminds us that the Dodgers' radio agreement with KFWB ends after this season.

The marriage with an all-news station has been bad for the kids since the very beginning, undermining those who want maximum Dodger coverage as well as those who want KFWB's news coverage at any given moment.

The Dodgers absolutely should find a different station for their radio home.

Leung's brief report:

The Dodgers are discussing a new broadcasting contract with KFWB-AM (980) as its current five-year deal with the station ends after this season, but the team could end up choosing another flagship.

"They're talking to everyone," said KLAC-AM (570) general manager Don Martin, adding that at least five stations were talking to the Dodgers. "We're interested. Who wouldn't be?"

Marty Greenspun, the team's executive vice president and chief operating officer, declined comment through a spokesman.

* * *

Update: Maury Brown interviewed Charley Steiner for The Biz of Baseball.

Comments (225)
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2007-02-11 10:20:48
1.   Greg Brock
If only there were some sort of radio station dedicated to sporting type activities. Maybe they could broadcast the sporting events, and around said events, they could have on air-personalities discuss the sporting world's top stories.

Maybe even take a phone call or two from regular folks out there. I'm gonna get the ball rolling on this.

2007-02-11 10:25:05
2.   briano
This again is a no-brainer. The Dodgers either need to set up their own station (24 hours of Dodger "stuff", replays, classic games, et al.). Or go to 570 KLAC. The Dodgers and Lakers? Great marriage.
However, I like the first suggestion best. The Dodgers have so much in their archives. Could you imagine the fun of hearing classic games and old interviews 24/7?
2007-02-11 10:26:33
3.   jdm025
Does anyone know if the Dodgers are planning some sort of station for their own games and content a la the Angels, Red Sox, and Yankees? I seems to me there is enough of an audience amongst the 15 million or so residents to keep about 2-400,000 interested at work and in the car...
2007-02-11 10:27:10
4.   Bob Timmermann
The problem with sharing a station with the Lakers is the season overlap. When the Angels were on KLAC in 2002, I believe their playoff games were bumped for Lakers games.

I don't know if I want to see the Frank McCourt/Dr. Jerry Buss Celebrity Death Match.

2007-02-11 10:27:15
5.   jdm025
I guess I posted about a minute too late...
2007-02-11 10:28:28
6.   jdm025
Maybe a better marriage would be AM 710. Playoff issues haven't been much of an issue in the past with the Clippers.
2007-02-11 10:29:10
7.   Bob Timmermann
Do 2 and 3 mean that you want a radio station that is all Dodgers, all the time? 24/7 Dodgers. In other words, a Radio Dodgers propaganda channel?

Even in the winter?

I need to see the business plan for that enterprise.

2007-02-11 10:41:24
8.   Greg Brock
Step 1: Start all-Dodgers radio station.
Step 2: ????????
Step 3: Profit.
2007-02-11 10:44:32
9.   bhsportsguy
6 I remember when the Dodgers were on KABC and longtime talk show host Michael Jackson used to dread March because they would preempt his show for the ST games.

Locally, sports teams are now covered by 4 stations, KLAC 570 covers the Lakers and UCLA Basketball and Football. They also have 17 hours of local radio sportstalk during the week. KSPN 710 covers the Clippers, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, and USC Basketball and Football. KTLK 1150 (which is affiliated with 570) covers the LA Kings and KFWB 980 has the Dodgers.

KLAC will move UCLA games to 1150 if there is a conflict with Laker broadcasts. KSPN did move some Angel games when it conflicted with USC football.

On the one hand, being part of Sports Radio station would probably mean better coverage, more Dodgertalk, etc. I think KSPN would be better only because the only time they would move a game would be during USC football season, while KLAC would always move it, ironically back to 1150, for Laker games.

2007-02-11 10:54:25
10.   Bob Timmermann
This is why you're a history teacher and not an economics or business teacher.
2007-02-11 10:56:35
11.   bhsportsguy
I do think that one major problem with Sportstalk in Los Angeles is the lack of an NFL team here (No USC jokes, please). NFL football is the most popular sport and without it, nothing really drives the average sports fan on a consistent basis.

What you are left with is the baseball, the NBA, USC and UCLA, and then the national sports scene. Also, LA is not homer town in the sense where no one wants to hear someone talk about who should pitch for the Dodgers in the 7th inning on a daily basis. There is only one Vic the Brick and most times one is too much.

2007-02-11 11:04:16
12.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know if is coincidental, but CBS is using some Police songs as the musical lead outs on commercial breaks during the college basketball game they're showing.

And CBS is showing the Grammys.

And the Police will be the opening act.

Product placement?

2007-02-11 11:14:01
13.   Greg Brock
Now that it appears Bernie Williams is done, let me say this: If Bernie Williams makes the Hall of Fame, so help me Choi, I will climb a clock tower and take aim.

You've all been warned.

2007-02-11 11:15:06
14.   Bob Timmermann
He won't make it.

Get down off the tower. Don Mattingly hasn't come close.

2007-02-11 11:37:26
15.   ToyCannon
Bernie was a heck of a player for a number of years. A career adjusted EQA of 302 with 4 years over 320 with a high of 341. 8 times with a WARP over 8 with a high of 11.2. Career OBP of 382 with a high of 441. 4 years with an OPS over 950 for a CF. Hats off to Bernie for one heck of a career.
Mattingly and Bernie have the exact same adjusted EQA of 302. Bernie's OBP was higher by 30 points and his slugging was the same. From a CF. If he's not HOF worthy he should still be part of any discussion. Were talking Centerfielders.
2007-02-11 11:44:00
16.   ToyCannon
Low blow. At least when we go to the postseason we actually win a series and some games compared to the Dodgers. One postseason victory in almost 20 years. Hard to be an arrogant Dodger fan with that record.
2007-02-11 11:45:15
17.   Greg Brock
I like Bernie Williams. He seems like a truly nice guy, a fine basballer, and a really good guitarist. If he makes the Hall of Fame, it will be because he was a New York Yankee. Reggie Smith is every bit as worthy. Ellis Burks is comparable. Centerfielders hit these days.
2007-02-11 11:50:55
18.   Bob Timmermann
Grady Little would have fouled Tim Thomas before he could shoot the three-pointer!
2007-02-11 12:00:39
19.   ToyCannon
Other then Beltran I can't think of a current CF who hit like Bernie did in his heyday. The only current CF projected to have a > 950 OPS this season is Beltran. Bernie did it 4 times. He combined excellent OB skills with excellent power. Hard to find both these days.

Burks has an adusted EQA of 294, eight points below Bernie. He had one WARP season above 8 because he was hurt so much. Nice player but not in Bernie's class. He is a good match for Jim Rice.
Reggie Smith does match the 302 EQA of Bernie. Did it as a corner outfielder but with great defense. He would get my vote long before Jim Rice would get my vote.
Dwight Evans was a better player then Jim Rice. Not saying any of these are HOF but if I had to put them in order it would be

2007-02-11 12:04:12
20.   Greg Brock
19 Definitely, and I agree with your list. But Bernie was a below average CF who turned into a terrible CF with a bad arm that turned into a ridiculously bad arm. He probably shouldn't have been a centerfielder in the first place. But he did play the position, so I guess that works for him. He's a first ballot inductee into the Hall of Very Good, along with the rest of the players on your list.
2007-02-11 12:09:01
21.   Bob Timmermann
Worse set of outfield arms in the NL West:




2007-02-11 12:11:28
22.   ToyCannon
I think his defense was so bad at the end that we forget he was okay in the beginning. I don't have Dewan's book in front of me but rate2 shows him with a career 97 with 5 years (all early) over 100.
I remember his arm always being bad but I don't remember his defense as being bad when he was at the top of his game.
I think you throw in his postseason performance and his world championships and I wouldn't be surprised if he does get in and I wouldn't be upset either. If Jim Rice makes it over the other guys who got no support at all I'll join you in the watchtower.
2007-02-11 12:14:27
23.   ToyCannon
Wow that is bad. On the plus side we can replace LuGo with Kemp and we'll benefit on both sides of the diamond. If they replace Bonds with whoever the the hole they dig offensively will be bigger then anything they can make up defensively.

I think Ethier has the only average arm. If Bullethead could play against himself he might run himself into 5 to 10 more doubles.

2007-02-11 12:16:00
24.   Greg Brock
Cribbing from FJM, Bernie's career FRAA is -50. The four years he won the GG, he had a combined -11 FRAA. And I don't like rate2 at all. Not to say that that it doesn't have value, or that your argument is indefensible, or that I can't be wrong and it's a wonderful stat, but I just don't place a lot of value in rate2.
2007-02-11 12:18:03
25.   regfairfield
23 While I never worried about Ethier's arm last season, I figure that if he had the arm to play right field, he would have been there already.

I'm going to vote for the Dodgers, since a players arm has to be really good or bad to make a difference, and I don't think the Giants have any players like that.

2007-02-11 12:42:29
26.   Bob Timmermann
If you were wrong, the fabric of the universe would be torn apart.
2007-02-11 12:46:32
27.   D4P
the fabric of the universe would be torn apart

I thought that happened the other night when I "got it" and Andrew didn't understand some The Office moment...

2007-02-11 12:49:33
28.   Greg Brock
26 The fabric of the universe was torn apart when Elton John sung a song with Eminem.

Everybody knows that.

2007-02-11 13:06:21
29.   trainwreck
lol Norbit made $33.7 million this weekend.
2007-02-11 13:10:43
30.   Greg Brock
Holy Smokes, if you head over to Rotten Tomatoes, the top 5 box office movies are rated slightly better than Coke II and laryngitis.
2007-02-11 13:13:00
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Nate, or any other DTer in school, what's the matter with white college kids, these days? Have the bacchanals gotten boring? This is the fourth or fifth time this year something like this has shown up on Drudge.

2007-02-11 13:17:14
32.   trainwreck
Girls just dress up in very revealing clothing in Santa Barbara.
2007-02-11 13:17:27
33.   D4P
The surprising thing to me about that kind of stuff (and school shootings, etc.) is not that it happens as often as it does, but that it doesn't happen more often.
2007-02-11 13:20:53
34.   trainwreck
I don't know if that would ever happen at a UC. The students love their political correctness.
2007-02-11 13:30:04
35.   Andrew Shimmin
33- You don't think this is a new thing? School shootings I get (there's lots of people that need killing), but this I really don't. How does the conversation even go? The Smoking Gun had pictures of the one in Texas, and there was some girl dressed as Aunt Jemima. How do you word the invitation to get a white girl (who can't be that dumb; A&M is a good school) to dress as Aunt Jemima?

Anyway, I find it immensely odd.

2007-02-11 13:37:53
36.   D4P
I find it immensely odd

1. Some people like to be outrageous and/or offensive and attract attention.

2. Oh: and some people are stupid.

3. Oh: and there's a lot of crossover between 1 and 2

2007-02-11 13:43:00
37.   das411
31 = Behold the power of the Internets. If anything, events like this probably happen less with our generation than with any previous ones, there is just more evidence (and faster access to it) than ever before.
2007-02-11 13:51:35
38.   Icaros
Blackface, KKK Costumes Criticized

From this headline, I was expecting to read an actual fashion critique.

2007-02-11 14:24:19
39.   Uncle Miltie
Maybe a better marriage would be AM 710. Playoff issues haven't been much of an issue in the past with the Clippers.
Like ToyCannon said, the Clippers have won more playoff series and games than the Dodgers have in the last 15+ years or so.

The most offensive costume I've seen at a party was of a terrorist. Most of the theme parties I have been to were 80s, Toga, and CEOs and Corporate Hoes (my personal favorite).

2007-02-11 14:35:44
40.   Bob Timmermann
Back in my day at UCLA, when we had to step over stegosaurus droppings on Bruin Walk, one of the frat houses had a "Tequila Sunrise" party and the members all showed up wearing somberos, bandaliers, and threw tortillas at protestors from MEChA.
2007-02-11 15:07:21
41.   D4P
Woah, never seen Steiner sans facial hair before.
2007-02-11 15:23:27
42.   Bob Timmermann
Steiner was clean shaven most of the second half of the season.

But some of us live in the right part of the country to see Charlie!

2007-02-11 15:31:36
43.   D4P
But some of us live in the right part of the country to see Charlie!

Some guys have all the luck...

2007-02-11 15:36:34
44.   Andrew Shimmin
Is he still cleanly shaved? That's not a good look for him. The beard helps distract from how much face he has. If he's not willing to have a beard, he should find some other way to decorate the piles and piles of face he's got going. Maybe Lowe could hook him up with some puka shells. Or, like, stickers, or something.
2007-02-11 17:02:06
45.   dzzrtRatt
I liked it best when the Dodgers were on KABC. I'm not into all-Sport-talk radio. They didn't have to share it with other sports teams and get into bumping matches. KABC could program some sports talk in the vicinity of Dodger games before and during the season, then shut it down after October. I think the all-Sport-talk environment is not a good one for the Dodgers. It diminishes them, almost taking them down to the level of the Lakers, Kings and other lesser sports entities that are there, let's be honest, only to fill time in between the end of the football season and Opening Day.

Besides, who would be there to complain about being pre-empted by Spring Training games now? Not Michael Jackson, but Bill O'Reilly. The less time that drooling bullhorn is on the radio the better.

2007-02-11 17:12:15
46.   D4P
Bill O'Reilly. The less time that drooling bullhorn is on the radio the better.

Rule 5 violation! Rule 5 violation!

2007-02-11 17:15:18
47.   Andrew Shimmin
Wherever the Dodgers go, I hope the next station runs midnight replays. When Doug McIntyre had the overnights, that would have caused me to hope for a station other than KABC. But the new guy I haven't taken to, so I'm fine with KABC. It's not a great signal, out here, but it's alright. KFI and KNX are the 50Kw clear channels, so, either would be my top choice. KFI's night guy doesn't do anything for me, and while I never figured out what people liked about Art Bell, I really can't guess why anybody would listen to the fake Art Bell. Is KNX back to all news?
2007-02-11 17:17:56
48.   dzzrtRatt
46 Bill O'Reilly isn't a politician. He has no discernable political views from what I can tell, except "I'm always right, you moron."

If I was rooting for the Dodgers to go on KFI to displace Rush Limbaugh, you might have a point.

2007-02-11 17:23:27
49.   Bob Timmermann
Bill O'Reilly advocates that pitchers just throw knuckleballs.
2007-02-11 17:26:12
50.   Andrew Shimmin
48- Oh, now. He's against child abuse. Way against it. Maybe you hate him because you're soft on the issue?
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2007-02-11 17:28:22
51.   D4P
Bill O'Reilly hates southpaws.
2007-02-11 17:31:36
52.   D4P
"Lucky" is back on King of the Hill...!
2007-02-11 17:39:52
53.   trainwreck
Some of us are still hours away from King of the Hill.
2007-02-11 17:41:09
54.   D4P
You've got Steiner, I've got KOTH
2007-02-11 17:43:30
55.   Bob Timmermann
Through the first 13:30 of the second half at Washington, Stanford has scored six points.
2007-02-11 17:44:07
56.   caseybarker
48 What, the Dodgers replace a Nobel peace prize nominee??
2007-02-11 17:48:10
57.   trainwreck
What is Steiner on? I got Huskies beating up on the Cardinal.
2007-02-11 17:51:05
58.   Andrew Shimmin
57- D4P's been stalking Steiner for a few weeks. He's waiting for a time when no women will be traumatized, the he's going to get down to business.
2007-02-11 17:54:02
59.   Gen3Blue
Although I kind of like Charley Stiener, I have to confess that interview with Baseball Biz is about the most boring chunk of verbiage I've seen in quite a while. I fear my crankiness relates to this dead time before spring training. I have never had it this bad, and I think it is because we are getting better each year and I can't wait to see how this year goes. It is due to the good farm and prospects, and I hope we give it a chance!
2007-02-11 17:56:36
60.   trainwreck
It is nice how D4P always waits so no women will be traumatized.
2007-02-11 18:01:03
61.   D4P
No women were traumatized in the typing of this post.
2007-02-11 18:01:10
62.   Bob Timmermann
Pac-10 standings
2) Washington State
3) USC
4) Oregon
5) Arizona
6) Stanford
7) Washington
8) Cal
9) Oregon State
10) Arizona State

Coming up this week:
Washington State at Washington
L.A. schools at Arizona schools
Oregon schools at Bay Area schools

Plus Washington plays at Pittsburgh Saturday.

2007-02-11 18:07:42
63.   D4P
Why "L.A." but not "U.C.L.A."?
2007-02-11 18:12:18
64.   Marty
Anybody notice the piece on irony in the Times' opinion section today? Not bad.
2007-02-11 18:13:07
65.   Sam DC
So, this morning revved me up and I tivo'd The Police, which I just watched post-bedtime.

Wanna short report, or No Spoilers?

2007-02-11 18:15:29
66.   Andrew Shimmin
64- The Times has figured out how to defeat bugmenot. So I've stopped reading it altogether. That isn't your doing, is it?
2007-02-11 18:15:34
67.   trainwreck
Let me guess they played Don't Stand So Close To Me.
2007-02-11 18:17:14
68.   Marty
No, right now all web technical aspects are controlled out of Chicago. But I'm going to have more to do with the web site soon I think.
2007-02-11 18:19:52
69.   Sam DC
67: No.
2007-02-11 18:23:51
70.   Greg Brock
Did they play Synchronicity II?
Every Breath you Take?

Did they, at the very least, sound decent?

2007-02-11 18:25:38
71.   D4P
Did Sting play the lute?
2007-02-11 18:32:12
72.   Sam DC
Report below, can't imagine anyone really cares re spoilers but hopefully this note is warning enough.


Only played one song - Roxanne.

Of course that's a great song, and Outlandos is maybe their purest Rock n' Roll album, but their sound did get richer over the course of their albums and I think they'd have done well to play something a little more textured. Really, could the (um, er, generally dull) Grammys really not spare room for a second song?

It was just the three of them on stage -- not especially surpised by that but a lot of these fogeys do add some younger players/soungers in the shadows. Of course, who knows what's going on in the tubes/offstage.

It was good. They extended the song and it definitely rocked; the crowd of fabulous people was loud but not necessarily dancing. Since this was Staples, was there a big "regular people" filling hte arena but off camera?

I don't know what Stewart Copeland has been doing all these years, but it really strikes me as impressive to be able to build back up the kind of skill it takes to drum Police songs after a long hiatus (and 30 years of aging). I mean, what he has to do is just physically light years beyond the jobs of Summers and Sumner. And Sumner of course has been fully active all this time. (Where has Copeland been since Rumblefish and The Ryhthmatist?) He seemed pretty sharp to me, but again real hard to tell and especially on a straightforward Rocker like Roxanne.

In the end, whole episode has happily reminded of how great the Police were. I am sad all my Police tapes/CDs were stolen when house was robbed a while back.

2007-02-11 18:47:20
73.   trainwreck
Copeland was in the New Doors or whatever they called it.
2007-02-11 18:57:38
74.   Bob Timmermann
Two letter initials have periods. Three or more do not.

The D.A. worked with the FBI and DOJ.

2007-02-11 18:58:34
75.   D4P
Ahh, so.
2007-02-11 19:08:04
76.   das411
I wonder if Sam has seen these yet:

2007-02-11 19:31:17
77.   Andrew Shimmin
I have a quibble with the Times' irony column. is, "U.S. Border Patrol uniforms are manufactured in Mexico," really ironic? If Pat Buchanan's suits were made in Mexico, that'd be ironic. But I'm not sure the Border Patrol's uniforms being hecho en México counts.
2007-02-11 19:32:07
78.   Andrew Shimmin
Link to the piece:

2007-02-11 19:49:45
79.   dzzrtRatt
Copeland was the reason to listen to the Police. Sting was barely tolerable then, not even remotely tolerable now. But Copeland made Sting's same-y songs sound different from each other based on his ability to devise incredible drum patterns.

The fact that Sting was every college-educated woman's fantasy husband doesn't help. I hope to God he's too old for Gen-Y.

2007-02-11 19:56:59
80.   trainwreck
We of Gen-Y take Phil Collins over Sting.
2007-02-11 20:02:22
81.   Bob Timmermann
Irony would be if the U.S Border Patrol were made up of illegal immigrants.

The Border Patrol's job isn't to keep track of merchandise coming across the border.

2007-02-11 20:06:17
82.   Greg Brock
Well, that was cool, in a "didn't play the song I wanted and only played on song" kind of way.

Copeland is still a great drummer.

2007-02-11 20:07:08
83.   Andrew Shimmin
81- Will you co-sign my letter of complaint to the editor? I'm going to complain about having to use a legitimate account to read the thing, in the same letter, so maybe you won't want in. You could just write a concurring opinion.
2007-02-11 20:16:07
84.   ToyCannon
I'm just guessing but methinks Sam might be a big Police fan.

Dixie Chicks currently playing. Is it UnDT to state that I dig the Dixie Chicks? The older I get the more country I get. I guess I'm just preparing myself for retiring to Arkansas.

2007-02-11 20:20:12
85.   trainwreck
This Simpsons episode is basically lets see what Bart would be like if he ever actuall aged and hit puberty.
2007-02-11 20:20:46
86.   trainwreck
2007-02-11 20:22:19
87.   Andrew Shimmin
84- I know Linkmeister loved their new album. I've never taken to them (with the exception of some Lyle Lovett, I don't own a country album recorded after I was born) but there's nothing wrong with country music.
2007-02-11 20:23:37
88.   trainwreck
Other than everything.
2007-02-11 20:24:59
89.   D4P
The Dixie Chicks' new album is great.
2007-02-11 20:26:18
90.   Brendan
Gee Sam you might have thrown into your spoiler that the Police come on immediately as the show starts and if you tune in 3 minutes into the show you can see them take their bows(no I didn't tivo either).

Andrew I read the same article on irony and thought it was curious but I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I couldn't imagine being wrong with that much certainty. i'll sign on to the letter.

2007-02-11 20:27:52
91.   Andrew Shimmin
There's something wrong with bad country music; that's a given. But it's not the style that's the problem, it's the practitioner. Most music is bad; that's true for every style, of every era, always.
2007-02-11 20:29:08
92.   Marty
I don't own a country album recorded after I was born

Andrew, buy and listen to all the Hank Williams you can find.

2007-02-11 20:29:56
93.   Andrew Shimmin
90- Rock on.
2007-02-11 20:38:36
94.   Steve
It's not really news that the LA Times opinion page has little grasp of irony.
2007-02-11 20:52:17
95.   Bob Timmermann
I mentioned in two different threads that the Police were the opening act.
2007-02-11 21:32:27
96.   D4P
No doubt everyone is busy planning their respective Valentine's Days. My planning is done, and includes:

1. Drinking a bottle of wine
2. Eating a box of chocolates
3. Watching our Valentine movies (i.e. "Don Juan de Marco" and "Down With Love")

Note: I'll be engaging in activities 1-3 with my wife

2007-02-11 21:43:29
97.   Bob Timmermann
But I had those activities planned with your wife too!
2007-02-11 21:47:58
98.   Greg Brock
"Don Juan de Marco" and "Down With Love"

Good Grief.

2007-02-11 21:51:30
99.   D4P
Well, she does have a weakness for nerds...
2007-02-11 21:56:28
100.   D4P
Good Grief

What, you prefer "Say Anything"?

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2007-02-11 21:58:54
101.   ToyCannon
We'll be going to the Clipper game and she won't be expecting flowers, chocolates or jewels which is why I married her.
2007-02-11 22:06:12
102.   D4P
Was anyone else troubled by the ending of tonight's King of the Hill episode?
2007-02-11 22:08:06
103.   Greg Brock
102 I watched the episode, but flipped to the news and missed the very end. What happened to the snake?
2007-02-11 22:10:15
104.   Icaros
"There is such a thing as good grief. Just ask Charlie Brown."
2007-02-11 22:12:16
105.   D4P
What happened to the snake?

Dale and the two county animal control workers beat it to death. We saw them grab its tail, then saw their silhouettes raising their various weapons and swinging them down onto the snake.

It was utterly gratuitous, and out of character for the show, in my opinion. My wife and I were both shocked and dismayed. Later, Hank told Bobby that they released "Josh" on a farm. From what I could tell, there was no compelling reason why they couldn't actually have done so instead of beating it to death.

It was weird. I didn't like it.

2007-02-11 22:14:46
106.   Icaros

If Barry White were still alive, he could've saved that snake.

2007-02-11 22:17:25
107.   Greg Brock
Maybe it was Whacking Day in Arlen.

Snakes! Snakes! Snakes everywhere!

2007-02-11 22:17:51
108.   Greg Brock
106 Darn you.
2007-02-11 22:21:13
109.   Icaros

It's okay. We can share.

2007-02-11 22:22:43
110.   Greg Brock
I figured they killed the snake, because I heard Hank telling him about the farm and Bobby talking about how something "Sounded like Josh"

I missed the savage beating. That is out of character for KOTH.

2007-02-11 22:23:01
111.   trainwreck
I would have let those animals be, but then I am not Dale. It is what Dale does.
2007-02-11 22:24:51
112.   Andrew Shimmin
Picture of D4P and wife (in the neighborhood of not being safe for work, but probably not across the line; but I have a history of bad judgment in these matters):

2007-02-11 22:25:21
113.   D4P
That is out of character for KOTH

Yeah. I would have thought they might have shown the two county workers preparing to kill it, then have Dale stop them and save the snake. Or something like that. But to kill it, and have Dale participate, just didn't seem right.

2007-02-11 22:26:28
114.   Brendan

two different other threads? other threads? we're talking about other threads, man. other threads (trying to channel allen iverson tone when talking about practice. funnier if I was doing it in person, trust me)

2007-02-11 22:27:11
115.   D4P
Tale as old as time
Song as old as rhyme
2007-02-11 22:29:13
116.   Icaros
D4P is Eric Gagne?
2007-02-11 22:29:23
117.   Brendan

nah your fine with that picture. actually she is fine in that picture, you are o.k.

2007-02-11 22:30:10
118.   Greg Brock
114 I laughed.

I'll tell you what was out of character. I chuckled at three distinctly different times during the Simpsons. Laughed...Out loud...At a Simpsons episode made this century.


2007-02-11 22:30:34
119.   Brendan
D4P ate Eric Gagne in that picture. still has some on his face
2007-02-11 22:30:58
120.   D4P
D4P is Eric Gagne?

And my wife is a more developed Olsen twin...?

2007-02-11 22:32:48
121.   Icaros

No, that girl weighs more than both Olsens combined. You could even throw in Jimmy Olsen and she still weighs more.

2007-02-11 22:34:04
122.   D4P
From what I can tell, that girl is hotter than Ione Skye
2007-02-11 22:35:13
123.   Icaros

Maybe you should offer her a cold drink.

2007-02-11 22:39:29
124.   D4P
I'll have to leave the crazy drunk girls to you
2007-02-11 22:45:33
125.   Steve
Name That Tune:

"You always have to be flexible. You can have a general thought process going in, and I have one. But I don't know how it's all going to play out."

2007-02-11 22:49:08
126.   Andrew Shimmin
Brock, before a diapered astronaut captured his heart.

2007-02-11 22:51:53
127.   Greg Brock
126 Ha! There is a term, a not-very-nice term, for fellas like that. It's a lot like "D-Backs"

Nice mascara-drawn beard, too. Egads.

2007-02-11 22:52:03
128.   D4P
Andrew's Internets are scary
2007-02-11 22:52:26
129.   Icaros

I just meant to cool her off. I know you may not be aware of this, but there are actually beverages that come without alcohol in them.

2007-02-11 22:54:26
130.   Icaros
Andrew pulled that one from his personal collection, not the universal system of tubes.
2007-02-11 22:55:35
131.   D4P
I just meant to cool her off

Yeah. She's en fuego.

2007-02-11 23:00:29
132.   Andrew Shimmin
Icaros and lady friend.

2007-02-11 23:05:49
133.   Icaros
I'm not that into blondes anymore. And I got a haircut.
2007-02-11 23:09:47
134.   Greg Brock
Andrew is using his tubes privileges for evil, not good.
2007-02-11 23:16:49
135.   Andrew Shimmin
If we can all agree that it's bad form to use a man's own gun against him, I'm willing to share the stash. (bad language and risqué photos)

2007-02-11 23:24:32
136.   natepurcell
first pic, girl is amazing. probably my new crush.
2007-02-11 23:35:06
137.   D4P
Hey, stay away from my wife.

BTW: Would Andrew be so kind as to tell us the month in which he found that photo...?

2007-02-11 23:35:18
138.   Icaros

You're going to make it real tough for yourself if you allow your crushes to be on people you'll never even meet.

That's almost as bad as the time I fell in love with the little girl from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.

2007-02-11 23:42:23
139.   Andrew Shimmin
137- Sorry; don't remember. Probably somewhere in early '06.
2007-02-11 23:44:34
140.   natepurcell
You're going to make it real tough for yourself if you allow your crushes to be on people you'll never even meet.

dont worry, my current "real" crush is of this cute redhead girl that works the front desk at the campus rec. i see her like 4 times a week and i give her my card and she swipes it.

once, she checked out a basketball for me though!

shrivels up into the wussy corner

2007-02-11 23:45:33
141.   Andrew Shimmin
But I did track down Canuck.

2007-02-12 00:13:09
142.   trainwreck
There is a hunting show called Ryan Klesko's Adventures.

No it's not that Ryan Klesko.

2007-02-12 04:11:41
143.   Sam DC
No one took up Steve in 125 I see.

I'm gonna guess it's not Cristiaan Barnard.

2007-02-12 06:27:12
144.   mankatododger
I hate to change the conversation away from women and snakes but does anyone know how to find out when the "B" games are in Spring Training? I'm heading over to Phoenix the middle of March and always see those games going on but have no idea how to find out when or where. Thanks.
2007-02-12 07:14:42
145.   Bob Timmermann
I thought you just looked on schedules for teams to see those that were playing two games in a day.

There will be an (ss) to denote it on the schedule.

2007-02-12 07:21:47
146.   Vishal
[101] so you're saying you married your wife because she's a cheap date? or perhaps that she married you because she has low expectations. :P
2007-02-12 07:27:40
147.   Bob Timmermann
You mean it's legal to hunt Ryan Kleskos?

Do you need a permit? If so, from what agency?

2007-02-12 07:28:06
148.   Sam DC
Well, I've got Brock's real name for you:

I do wonder if we should let them know he's been safe here this whole time.

Well, after the Kumite anyhow.

2007-02-12 07:59:48
149.   mankatododger
145 Split squad games are not the same as the B games. Usually split squads split the major league rosters and they both play at the bigger diamonds where you pay to watch. B games usually are free and off at one of the smaller diamonds in a complex.
2007-02-12 08:03:04
150.   Greg Brock
148 Well, now the truth is out...

I write for The Onion.

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2007-02-12 08:50:59
151.   underdog
This was probably mentioned ages ago, but I just saw it: Fox Sports already has a baseball power rankings list up:

Dodgers are #11, behind Arizona in the division.
"They probably have the best rotation in the NL, but the offense could be problematic. In particular, the Dodgers figure to get sub-optimal production from each outfield spot. With that said, pitching will keep them in the race."

Yankees are uncreatively #1, and does anyone else expect the Mets to be overrated this year?

2007-02-12 08:52:50
152.   underdog
Btw, delayed reaction, but Trainwreck, I'm still crying about the UCSB choke the other night. I watched it on TV, too - my landlord added the Fox Sports (College) channels to our lineup in part so we could both enjoy the end of the season games but I was particularly excited to get to watch them on TV the first night we had it and it was a really fun game, until... Feh. How did they lose that one? Sigh. I repress all memory of it.
2007-02-12 09:30:05
153.   still bevens
In a similar vein to 151, I saw this link on deadspin that had a run down of the gambling odds of major league teams making the world series. Every entry is pretty much pure snark except the Dodgers have the following description:

LA Dodgers - 15/1 - In all seriousness, this is the bet I would make. Veteran team with some young players and a good pitching staff.

The rest of the article is pretty funny, too. I enjoyed Tampa Bay's entry.

2007-02-12 10:18:59
154.   old dodger fan
Seven of their top eight teams are from the AL.
2007-02-12 10:25:26
155.   briano
Somewhat off topic, on topic, but all this talk of Charlie Steiner. Is this guy the future "voice" of the Dodgers when Vinny retires? Why hasn't anyone mentioned Chris Roberts of UCLA broadcasts. I'm not a UCLA guy, but Roberts has a unique voice and style and he gets excited when needed. I think he would be a perfect fit.
2007-02-12 10:27:47
156.   D4P
Is this guy the future "voice" of the Dodgers when Vinny retires?


2007-02-12 10:32:21
157.   Jon Weisman
155 - From what I've heard, Roberts must "need" to get excited a lot.
2007-02-12 10:33:51
158.   D4P
Is "getting excited" really a virtue in an announcer? IMO, Steiner's excitability is one of his most annoying traits.
2007-02-12 10:36:14
159.   bhsportsguy
As we wind down the off-season, I tried to figure out what the free agent and arbitration status of the Dodgers will be in the next couple of years. (Only those with MLB service time considered) Note that all FAs can be offered arbitration.

2007 -
After 2007 season status
Randy Wolf - FA (2008 guaranteed with 180 IP)
Mark Hendrickson - Arbitration (FA 2008)
Brett Tomko - FA
Elmer Dessens - FA
Joe Beimel - Arbitration (FA 2008)
Yhency Brazoban - Arbitration

After 2008
Derek Lowe - FA
Brad Penny - FA (Club Option for 2009)
Jonathan Broxton - Arbitration
Takeshi Saito - Arbitration

After 2009
Jason Schmidt - FA
Chad Billingsley - Arbitration
Hong-Chih Kuo - Arbitration

Mike Lieberthal - FA
Jeff Kent - FA (2008 guarantee for 550 PA)
Wilson Betemit - Arbitration
Olmedo Saenz - FA
Marlon Anderson - FA
Ramon Martinez - FA (Club Option)
Luis Gonzalez - FA
Jason Repko - Arbitration

Russell Martin - Arbitration (Super 2)
Nomar Garciaparra - FA
Rafael Furcal - FA
Andre Ethier - Arbitration (Super 2)

2007-02-12 10:37:15
160.   Bob Timmermann
Chris Roberts and baseball would be a bad mix. Roberts is not a storyteller.
2007-02-12 10:40:49
161.   bhsportsguy
155 You are kidding right, now I like Chris Roberts more than Pete Arbogast but that is because Arbogast is out and out homer but no, not Chris Roberts for the Dodgers.

The Dodgers will eventually do what the Lakers did and have two separate broadcast teams, one for TV and one for radio. I liked some of the guys they have down in the minors, the guy in VB and Vegas do a nice job on the radio. I hope they follow the Lakers and get someone who has done his time so to speak in smaller markets and then understands that LA is not a homer market. It is very likely that whoever replaces Vin will be someone that many of us will have never heard of before he takes the job.

2007-02-12 10:41:53
162.   bhsportsguy
160 But he wrote that book, Stadium Stories, which in fact is not a book about how many stories tall are most stadiums in America.
2007-02-12 10:50:18
163.   kinbote
159 -- it's almost unbelievable to think that both billingsley & kuo will be eligible for arbitration for the first time AFTER the 2009 season. in Canuck's terms, that's six pre-arbitration years of potentially solid starting pitching for peanuts.
2007-02-12 10:59:58
164.   Greg Brock
163 If Billz and Kuo are as good as advertised, the Dodgers would probably offer them multi-year deals a few years from now, overpaying for arbitration years, but locking them up a few years beyond free agency.

It's all the rage these days. And very smart.

2007-02-12 11:02:38
165.   bhsportsguy
163 The next couple of years will be interesting to see how the Dodgers play it, will they try to do what Oakland, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Minnesota have done, which is to offer contracts that cover the arbitration years, so you might pay more upfront but if performance continues to improve, you lock it in for probably less money than if you had to negotiate every year.
2007-02-12 11:10:54
166.   Steve
Hend(E)rickson : $2.9 million :: Billingsley : $90 bazillion
2007-02-12 11:11:20
167.   Sam DC
Post Music Critic J. Freedom Du Lac zings Rascal Flatts: "And I really don't care for Rascal Flatts. At least they didn't cover REO Speedwagon, though that would be playing to their strength."
2007-02-12 11:13:53
168.   bhsportsguy
159 Also note that since Billingsley and Kuo are not guaranteed to be here all of this year, their arbitration status could even extend to after the 2010 season.

Kuo has about 123-127 days of service (172 is needed for a full year) and Billinsley has about 110. Since Kuo only got about 90+ days last year, if I read the CBA correctly, he would not have enough time from 2006 to qualify for Super 2 status like Martin, Ethier and Saito.

It seems unlikely that Kuo and Billingsley won't be in Dodger Stadium enough in 2007 in order to push off their arbitration status another year, but we shall see.

Also, I left out Matt Kemp and James Loney since their status for 2007 is unsure, if Loney made the club and stuck for the whole year, he would be luck Kuo and Billingsley and not be eligible for arbitration until after 2009, Kemp is the same but since has about 90+ days of service time, I would not be surprised if they tried to keep in Vegas at least until All-Star Break if not later so they would be able to get 3 full years from him starting in 2008.

2007-02-12 11:22:59
169.   Steve
You can name that tune in one note, Sam.
2007-02-12 11:57:47
170.   Andrew Shimmin
Reading through it, I really thought he'd licked his rhetorical question tic. Till I got to the last paragraph, but one. Oh well.

2007-02-12 12:05:48
171.   Sam DC
Wow -- first one of these nightmares.

2007-02-12 12:08:29
172.   bhsportsguy
171 Insert your own Anna Benson joke here.
Somehow I don't see the Orioles picking up his option for 2008.

Still not as bad as the Brian Lawrence escapade in DC though the Nats did get rid of Vinny Castilla by making that deal.

2007-02-12 12:11:25
173.   Marty
170 I was just going to link to that. You know baseball season is approaching when you start reading inane Tracy quotes.
2007-02-12 12:12:11
174.   Marty
Am I the only person who didn't realize there is a new George Washington dollar coin coming out this week?
2007-02-12 12:13:14
175.   bhsportsguy
173 I think Jim Tracy would sound better with a nice Southern drawl.
2007-02-12 12:18:33
176.   Steve
See, LA Times? There you have irony.
2007-02-12 12:47:21
177.   Jon Weisman
Hendrickson to the Orioles, anyone?
2007-02-12 12:50:15
178.   bhsportsguy
177 Or Tomko, they might Hendrickson since he pitched in the AL and they have a couple of more years before FA.
2007-02-12 12:52:19
179.   bhsportsguy
Whether you like it or not, Ned does have a nice reserve of guys who have a lot of starts, Tomko, Hendrickson and Dessens that are not that expensive and are all signed for only this year. I think they might have to kick in a little for Tomko, Hendrickson probably not and Dessens is free anyway.
2007-02-12 12:57:07
180.   Sam DC
Sorry if this is a repeat -- I totally missed it. One more reason to be impressed by Sir Albert.

I'm sure it's not a hard test, especially for someone educated in US schools, but a perfect score is a perfect score.

2007-02-12 13:03:59
181.   Johnson
177 Hendrickson to the Orioles, anyone?

Yeah, maybe we could finally pry Larry Bigbie away from them!

2007-02-12 13:05:52
182.   Steve
Hendrickson to the Orioles, anyone?

Symmetry hasn't reached this kind of apex since "Tracy to the Pirates"

2007-02-12 13:06:55
183.   D4P
"Kent to the Giants: Symmetry's Pinnacle"
2007-02-12 13:19:32
184.   Andrew Shimmin
Wouldn't it be dangerous for Mr. Ned to try trading with a team that has Corey Patterson on its roster? It'd make me nervous, at any rate.
2007-02-12 13:23:29
185.   Sam DC
184 And Danys Baez.
2007-02-12 13:24:31
186.   Icaros
How come ESPN wasn't all over the news that Jim Tracy led Pittsburgh to its greatest half-to-half turnaround in 120 years?

What? Because they still lost 95 games? Oh, okay.

2007-02-12 13:26:27
187.   trainwreck
Going to need some help to make the tourney.
2007-02-12 13:26:45
188.   bhsportsguy
185 He can't get Baez until the mid-season.

Jon - I have gone ahead and sponsored the R.J. Reynolds on, take a look, would love to link that sponsorship to your DT entry, if anyone knows how to do it and its okay with Jon, let me know.

2007-02-12 13:28:17
189.   Jon Weisman
188 - Wow, that's great. Long live R.J. Thanks.
2007-02-12 13:28:22
190.   trainwreck
From what other UCLA fans tell me, Chris Roberts does not seem like a good choice.
2007-02-12 13:37:05
191.   Xeifrank
An interesting article over at The Hardball Times about a sports business convention at MIT where Jamie McCourt was one of the keynote speakers. I found the paragraph about the media interesting, and I pasted that part below.
vr, Xei
She mentioned that the opinion of a lot of people matters when running a baseball team and counted the media among them. I thought that was especially interesting in light of Bill Plaschke's very public jihad against former Dodgers GM Paul DePodesta and DePodesta's subsequent dismissal.
2007-02-12 13:40:04
192.   Greg Brock
I think I would dislike the McCourts a lot less if they would just stop talking.

Seriously. Stop talking. For a decade.

2007-02-12 13:40:56
193.   kinbote
168 -- great point about kemp. i could easily see us doing just that. just think what his midyear numbers at AAA would look like!

also, we would be very wise to lock up some of our up-and-comers in the next few years. to me it's obvious that martin should be the first to sign, and after that, maybe billingsley.

assuming we will have a long list of players we might want to lock up in the future, i think one approach is to start with the guys who exemplify what the next championship team should look like. that doesn't mean character is the overriding factor, but it does mean you want to send an organizational message that all players should model themselves after martin or billingsley or whomever.

considering we currently have zero contracts tied up in young home-grown talent, i can't wait for the trend to start . . .

2007-02-12 13:43:34
194.   bhsportsguy
191 I don't disagree that the media matter or else why would they ever talk to them.

That said, I find it hard to believe that anything Plaschke said influenced the McCourt's about DePo, I think that came from a much closer source, say someone who sold pasta sauce and ribs.

2007-02-12 13:45:27
195.   trainwreck
Paul Newman strikes again.
2007-02-12 13:47:59
196.   bhsportsguy
192 Since I gather you are not here yet, I would say that they do talk a lot less than they used to, outside the 2 or 3 times that Vin brings them in to press box to chat, I would say that unless you see them in public, they really don't talk that much.

Part of it, is that Ned talks a lot more than Paul DePodesta. I know I have said this before but I would say Ned talks on local radio shows about once every few months and always after they make a big move.

So, while I won't say that never talk anymore but its a lot less and since they have actually spent money, you don't hear as much about them as you used to when they first got here.

2007-02-12 13:48:11
197.   D4P
Don't forget SlimFast...! A delicious shake for breakfast, and one for lunch, then a sensible dinner.
2007-02-12 13:52:39
198.   Greg Brock
196 Gotcha. I just remember hearing them all the time when they first bought the club, and then hearing them in the booth, and during pre-game on Fox Sports, and during countless business/leadership seminars, and various and sundry LA events. If they've slowed it down, that's a good thing. As a general rule, I don't want to hear owners...I want them to spend their money and hire the right people and see them when they lift up trophies. I'm glad they've dialed it down a notch.
2007-02-12 13:56:53
199.   twerp
Apparently these guys were highly regarded prospects in the Dodger system. Anyone know what happened to them?

2002 Ricardo Rodriguez, RHP
2001 Ben Diggins, RHP

2007-02-12 14:01:07
200.   Jon Weisman
"I know I have said this before but I would say Ned talks on local radio shows about once every few months and always after they make a big move."

I know DePodesta was always available after major moves, and I feel like he would periodically appear on KFWB and such as well.

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2007-02-12 14:03:31
201.   D4P
The only GM stat that matters -


Colletti: A lot
DePo: A few

2007-02-12 14:03:34
202.   regfairfield
199 Rodriguez got traded for Paul Shuey, then pretty much stunk. Diggins got traded for Tyler Houston, then followed the Ricardo Rodriguez career path.
2007-02-12 14:06:04
203.   regfairfield
196 I don't know if this is a factor, but I have to believe its a lot easier for Ned to come on a talk show where they talk up how he got All Star closers Lance Carter and Danys Baez than it would be for DePo to try explain why trading Shawn Green and 10 million for Dioner Navarro, without using the phrase "Shawn Green is finished".
2007-02-12 14:09:06
204.   D4P
It's true. Depo generally got rid of guys who were past their prime. Explaining that to the public while being "nice" at the same time proved a difficult task.
2007-02-12 14:09:41
205.   bhsportsguy
200 Don't really want to go over this again, it may be more perception than reality if you sought to see how many times Paul and Ned talked to the media. For instance, Vin had Paul on during the last game of the 2005 season and Paul talked about all the prospects, etc.

My point about Ned and the McCourts, is that I think last year, there was an effort for the McCourts to move into the background and let Ned and Grady speak for the team as well as guys like Nomar and Russell Martin.

So no question, the media plays a role and the current ownership is learing on the job on how to use it to their advantage.

2007-02-12 14:15:17
206.   Steve
202 - If they had been drafted by the Devil Rays, they could have stunk, been called up to the majors anyways, made a handful of starts with an ERA of 5, gotten lucky for a month, hung around for the next 15 years, and we would be calling it the Mark Hend(E)rickson Career Path.
2007-02-12 14:21:56
207.   kinbote
not to sound too much like loney's agent, but re-signing nomar appears to be largely a p.r. move. it can be argued that he was a productive bat just waiting for us after the drew opt-out, but his signing didn't really solve anything. i guess he's the #3 hitter we lacked, but that's a pretty generous reading of the cards. loney without a starting job is a realization that will only grow in horror as the spring progresses . . .
2007-02-12 14:25:08
208.   bhsportsguy
204 Maybe its me, but I like Ned and I liked Paul. But Paul was an incomplete because we never got to see what he was going do, frankly I think that he would not be a total "Moneyball" or whatever guy but he never had the time to do it. But let's also remember that he signed as big money guys as he got rid of (in fact probably more signed than got rid of) and he did not handle the whole Bradley/Kent situation well.

I don't think you have to choose one or the other (between Ned and Paul) but I am probably in the minority on this one.

2007-02-12 14:30:17
209.   kinbote
if i had to choose between ned and paul, i'd choose dan evans.
2007-02-12 14:32:46
210.   Sam DC
Alert, alert. Rule 14! Rule 22! Rule 3.14159!


2007-02-12 14:46:07
211.   Icaros
Sam says he wishes we still had Hee Seop Choi and that Paul LoDuca was overrated.
2007-02-12 14:50:09
212.   Andrew Shimmin
What was the right way to handle the Bradley/Kent situation?
2007-02-12 14:52:10
213.   Icaros
What was the right way to handle the Bradley/Kent situation?

Shoot Jim Tracy with Dad's .22.

2007-02-12 14:56:14
214.   Steve
Shoot Jim Tracy with Dad's .22.

What was the right way to handle __________ situation?

2007-02-12 14:58:19
215.   Marty
213 That reminds me of my favorite golf quote. Hubie Green was in second place going onto the final round of a tournament. A reporter asked him "What do you think you have to shoot to catch Jack Nicklaus?"
Hubie said "I'm going to have to shoot Jack Nicklaus."
2007-02-12 15:00:40
216.   Andrew Shimmin
Anyway, I don't think having a white guy who went to an ivy league school do a lot of radio interviews would have helped.
2007-02-12 15:02:46
217.   Steve
Yeah, I'd had enough to do with Jason Grabowski without having to hear him on the radio.
2007-02-12 15:06:20
218.   Andrew Shimmin
Grabowski went to UConn. Like Charles Nagy and Moe Morhardt.
2007-02-12 15:07:45
219.   Steve
With a swing like that, I could have sworn he went to an ivy league school.
2007-02-12 15:14:17
220.   Andrew Shimmin
He probably dated a Yalie who had a lot of helpful tips.
2007-02-12 15:15:06
221.   Bob Timmermann
Lou Gehrig went to Columbia.
2007-02-12 15:17:51
222.   Steve
I wish Jason Grabowski had gone to Columbia.
2007-02-12 15:22:35
223.   Jon Weisman
Any ex-Dodgers who were DeVry graduates?
2007-02-12 15:23:09
224.   Andrew Shimmin
If his D'ray NRI doesn't work out, he might. Columbia, though, is not Serie Del Caribe eligible.
2007-02-12 15:27:29
225.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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