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If I Were a Rich Man ... Oh Wait, I Am
2007-02-16 18:04
by Jon Weisman

Check out this bit about longshot roster candidate Matt White, from Ken Gurnick at

White is a 29-year-old left-handed journeyman pitcher in camp on a Minor League contract who's pitched a total of 9 2/3 Major League innings in nine professional seasons and he's sitting on a gold mine.

Actually, it's a rock quarry.

Four years ago, White bought a 50-acre piece of property in Massachusetts from his ailing Aunt Josephine, who was going into a nursing home. He planned to build a house on the property, but discovered it to be absolutely covered with rock. A geologist determined the property was loaded with mica schist, a slate-like shiny metamorphic stone used for patio decks and other construction.

"I never built the house and instead started selling the rock," said White, whose father runs the business. "It turned out to be a blessing in disguise. The geologist said I've got 24 million tons of it and it sells for $100 a ton."

So, according to White's math, he's sitting on a $2.4 billion mountain of rock. That's billion, with a "B." The property cost him $50,000.

P.S. This is Seo just. Hurray!

Comments (178)
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2007-02-16 18:16:29
1.   still bevens
Wow its amazing that he also had the mineral rights to the property as well. Lots of companies snap those up unbeknownst to the people who buy the property.
2007-02-16 18:53:46
2.   dianagramr
Great story .....

"My name is Matthew J. White ... billionaire. I own a fastball and some rock."

2007-02-16 18:57:31
3.   Vishal
hah, maybe matt could buy the dodgers and guarantee himself a roster spot. he'd probably be a better owner than mccourt ;)
2007-02-16 19:09:35
4.   ToyCannon
Even cooler is that he often gets confused with the other Matt White who was a free agent millionare ala Travis Lee. Who would have bet when they were both 20 that the lousy Matt White would be the multi-millionare and the man with the golden arm is still trying to live off the original bonus contract.
2007-02-16 19:30:20
5.   Andrew Shimmin
I wonder what the margin on mica schist is. Moving a ton of rock from where ever it is to somewhere else has to be pretty expensive. Deburns, if you're going to ST anyway, maybe you could try to get an interview. Throw Jon's name around, if you have to.
2007-02-16 19:35:40
6.   Jon Weisman
Forget the interview. Buddy, can you spend a ton of geological gold?
2007-02-16 19:42:22
7.   CanuckDodger
Ah, mineral rights. In Canada, those belong to the government. The entire premise of The Beverly Hillbillies would be invalid up here.
2007-02-16 20:03:28
8.   Andrew Shimmin
6- There can't be a cost effective way of shipping 2,000 pounds of a hundred dollars worth of rocks across country. And, according to this site:

a ton of broken mica would be twenty cubic feet. I think your neighbors would complain if you parked that in your driveway. And how would you dispose of it? It's not like Homer's pile of sugar, where you could at least sell the bees it lured back to the bee industrial complex.

I just don't think you've thought this through.

2007-02-16 20:05:34
9.   Bob Timmermann
And what part of Canada do use for "The Beverly Hillbillies" knockoff?

Do you have Newfoundlanders moving to Toronto after they hit it rich by unexpectedly finding out that large schools of cod have made it back to the Grand Banks?

2007-02-16 20:31:25
10.   LAT
I don't think there could be a Canadian equal to Mr. Drysdale. That kind of unbridled Captialism is frowned upon in the Great White North.
2007-02-16 21:25:38
11.   Andrew Shimmin
Tony Jackson, charter member of the Oscar Robles Marching and Chowder Society.

2007-02-16 22:14:31
12.   scareduck
A friend of mine who grew up in shirtsleeves in one of Boston's tonier sections inhabited, for a time, a mansion built by a former mica baron who made his fortune with the stuff. The entire house was decorated with fancy mica inlays. The former owners lost their shirts when the Depression hit. I guess the market for the stuff can be relatively volatile.

5 - Warren Buffett loves rock quarries for exactly that reason. Rocks are expensive to transport. Unless you're talking about building materials with wide application (i.e., slate), usually the competition is limited by the cost of diesel, how close you are to a railhead, etc. Competition tends to be self-limiting.

2007-02-16 22:26:36
13.   scareduck
One reason the stuff might be so valuable: mica schist used to be used as foundation material in New York up through the 30's but then ceased. I wonder that local sources dried up.
2007-02-16 22:34:05
14.   deburns
Wow!I am constantly amazed at the breadth of knowledge of DT posters (and not just Timmermann). Mica schist!! Now I know where to go for information on almost anything. Who needs Google when you have DT?
2007-02-16 23:21:03
15.   Xeifrank
Friends of Dodger Thoughts Yahoo fantasy baseball leagues have been created. I made one Roto 5x5, using the same categories as last year (replacing Ave with OPS) and a 5x5 H2H league. Email me if you'd like the password info to join. All reasonable live draft times were taken, so I will change the draft time when Yahoo opens up more draft times. So ignore the current draft date and time for now.
vr, Xeifrank
2007-02-17 05:36:25
16.   Sam DC
Catching a break: Randolph said he intends to help outfielder Moises Alou stay healthy by limiting his playing time as he limited that of catcher Paul Lo Duca last year.

Noted without JD Drew-related comment.

2007-02-17 08:38:51
17.   Bob Timmermann
JD and Paul are gone, man. They're not coming back. We just have to let go.

It's a brave new Gonzo world.

2007-02-17 08:58:41
18.   Greg Brock
Hubert Davis and Jay Bilas pick Arizona, and Digger Phelps picks the Bruins.

I don't know how to feel about that.

2007-02-17 09:10:35
19.   Andrew Shimmin
18- It just depends on whether your a bigger UCLA reactionary or Digger Phelps reactionary.
2007-02-17 09:12:45
20.   Greg Brock
19 Oh, I'm the bigger UCLA reactionary. My dislike of Phelps doesn't come close to Bob's.
2007-02-17 09:17:45
21.   Greg Brock
From the LA Times:

LaRoche spent the off-season rehabilitating his surgically repaired left shoulder in Arizona. The shoulder gave him problems for three years, especially when he swung the bat hard.

Yet the deepest pain he felt was not getting a September call-up by the Dodgers.

"I was kind of disappointed," he said. "I didn't know why. That's why I'm here early. I have a legitimate chance of making the team and I want it to start now."

So, will The Mustache interpret this as arrogance/entitlement/Hot Doggery?

2007-02-17 09:19:18
22.   Bob Timmermann
Remember when Robert DeNiro playing Al Capone in "The Untouchables" first had a rant about Elliot Ness.

Take that rant, cross "Elliot Ness" and insert "Digger Phelps" for my feelings.

2007-02-17 09:22:42
23.   Bob Timmermann
The Fighting Olneys are hosting The Finest Collection of Basketball Talent Ever today in the weird gym in Nashville.
2007-02-17 09:24:46
24.   Andrew Shimmin
20- I'm a Duke Castiglione reactionary. That he'll be back for another year is the only drawback to Spring Training.
2007-02-17 09:30:25
25.   Greg Brock
I didn't know Duke Castiglione was enough of a factor to merit any sort of enmity. But I respect it.
2007-02-17 09:34:26
26.   Andrew Shimmin
It's partially about the precedent. I don't like sideline reporters, so, I find it offensive that they're being introduced to baseball. But Duke rubs me the wrong way, all by himself, too.
2007-02-17 09:34:49
27.   Bob Timmermann
I don't believe in holding a grudge against someone for a small and unimportant reasons.

All of my grudges have a long documented history and much of my background work is on file at the National Archives.

If you ask an archivist for it, s/he will deny its existence. But, trust me on this, it's there. You just have to ask the right person.

2007-02-17 09:38:09
28.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob is the only man known to have smuggled documents into the National Archives, in his pants and socks.
2007-02-17 09:40:53
29.   Bob Timmermann
I wasn't wearing any pants when I smuggled the documents in. That's what made it so difficult.
2007-02-17 09:49:14
30.   Andrew Shimmin
Beware, beware, beware of the naked (Timmer)mann.
2007-02-17 10:04:11
31.   Greg Brock
This is going to be an unbelievably tough game for the Bruins. And I have to listen to Bill Raftery.
2007-02-17 10:07:07
32.   Bob Timmermann
But I have to work!

No chance to see the glory of Chase Budinger.

2007-02-17 10:22:18
33.   underdog
I don't know why but this Matt White story made me think of a line from Breaking Away.

(Daniel Stern:) "This hole, this quarry hole is mine!"

Now I don't have to feel sorry for him if he's cut in spring training.

2007-02-17 10:56:55
34.   Bob Timmermann
The Fighting Olneys up by 8 on the Greatest Collection of Basketball Talent Ever.
2007-02-17 11:17:16
35.   underdog
Dunno if this was mentioned before, but I just got the new Street and Smith's and it predicts Red Sox over the Dodgers in the world series.

For what that's worth, which is $6.99.

Juan Pierre haters should probably skip over their fantasy section on outfielders...

2007-02-17 11:19:22
36.   trainwreck
Come on Fighting Olneys. Do what Alabama should have done.
2007-02-17 11:22:07
37.   underdog
Tim Hardaway may be banned from All-Star weekend but ESPN2 is going to have live coverage of Hardaway's punishment, which is him escorted down Castro Street here in San Francisco. Live tonight, don't miss it!
2007-02-17 11:26:18
38.   Bob Timmermann
Will UCLA shoot a free throw today?
2007-02-17 11:28:37
39.   Greg Brock
I've been wondering the same thing.
2007-02-17 11:28:40
40.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona has played 29 minutes and committed two fouls.
2007-02-17 11:30:00
41.   Andrew Shimmin
Juan Pierre is exactly the kind of player who's good for a fantasy baseball league, right? SBs and high average. I've never played, but that was always the impression that I took of how it was scored (one of the reasons I don't play). Anyway, thank Ch-i that stat geek DePo and his strat-o-matic ways are gone for good.
2007-02-17 11:30:10
42.   Greg Brock
Mata gets the first throws...Natch.
2007-02-17 11:32:12
43.   Bob Timmermann
Since I'm not watching the game and just following it online, I'm guessing that Arizona isn't playing the greatest defense.
2007-02-17 11:35:48
44.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA doesn't have a record listed for fewest free throws attempted in a game, although I'm certain that the number is zero.

The most UCLA has attempted in one game is 61 against USC back in 1956.

They fouled a lot in basketball back then.

2007-02-17 11:38:44
45.   underdog
I can't believe Mata just made two free throws. I'm waiting for the earth tio split open now.
2007-02-17 11:42:39
46.   Andrew Shimmin
Are we allowed to tease the top thread kids down in this one?
2007-02-17 11:44:17
47.   Greg Brock
46 You bet!
2007-02-17 11:46:54
48.   Bob Timmermann
46 47
Pick on people your own age!
2007-02-17 11:48:25
49.   Greg Brock
48 You're a fine one to talk there Mr. Timmermann!
2007-02-17 11:49:51
50.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona really has fouls to give here down the stretch.
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2007-02-17 11:53:50
51.   trainwreck
Will Lute give the Bruins any respect after the game?
2007-02-17 11:53:53
52.   Greg Brock
50 They've been called for, what, three fouls?
2007-02-17 11:54:03
53.   Bob Timmermann
The Fighting Olneys are shooting 59% today against the Second Coming of the 1956 USF squad.
2007-02-17 11:55:12
54.   Bob Timmermann
How many straight games will Arizona have lost to UCLA now?
2007-02-17 11:56:12
55.   Greg Brock
545 in a row.
2007-02-17 11:56:29
56.   trainwreck
I think 5 but not sure.
2007-02-17 11:58:42
57.   Bob Timmermann
The scoresheet shows Arizona committing five fouls in 13 seconds.
2007-02-17 12:05:15
58.   Greg Brock
Finally get to see somebody else get the court stormed for once.


2007-02-17 12:07:22
59.   Andrew Shimmin
Will Bob scold the Vanderbilt fans for rushing the floor?
2007-02-17 12:07:26
60.   Bob Timmermann
Florida losing and an episode of "The Office" with no Melora Hardin.

One DT poster must be very, very, very, very sad.

2007-02-17 12:07:55
61.   Izzy
And did I read correctly that Foulke gave up the 5 million voluntarily by retiring??? I suppose that could be worth an aritcle by itself.
2007-02-17 12:07:58
62.   Bob Timmermann
Nope. Perfectly justifiable there.
2007-02-17 12:11:46
63.   Bob Timmermann
The funky layout of Memorial Gym at Vanderbilt

The team benches are on the baselines and note the dead space along the sidelines.

2007-02-17 12:14:16
64.   trainwreck
Come on Washington. Get the Pac-10 some more respect.
2007-02-17 12:15:39
65.   Bob Timmermann
Pitt's RPI would probably take a hit if they lost at home to Washington.

Aaron Gray has only two points against the Huskies?

2007-02-17 12:19:52
66.   trainwreck
Washington has missed a ridiculous number of easy layups.
2007-02-17 12:20:54
67.   trainwreck
*Sorry, I meant Pitt.
2007-02-17 12:42:17
68.   LAT
61. A friend and I were having this exact discussion. I have a hard time believing he just walked away from that much money. I think the money would have become guaranteed if he just reported to camp. Accordingly, I have to believe he negotiated some deal with the team before retiring. Otherwise he is crazy.
2007-02-17 14:06:52
69.   Bob Timmermann
So if Stanford beats Oregon today, do the Stanford students rush the court?
2007-02-17 14:18:15
70.   twerp
63 The playing floor at Vanderbilt's Memorial Gym also is elevated, which can be disconcerting for opposing players--especially those who dive out of bounds after loose balls.

Teams which play there regularly find ways to adapt. But coaches unfamiliar with the gym say the hardest adjustment is trying to coach when their team is at the opposite end of the court.

As you might expect, Vandy has a gaudy overall won-lost record there. And Florida isn't the first No. 1 to fall at Vandy. In fact, the last 3 have--Florida today, Kentucky '93, and North Carolina '87. Vandy's 5-4 overall vs. No. 1s at home (got Kentucky in '59 and '64 also), but a more realistic 5-13 vs. No. 1s overall.

2007-02-17 14:21:21
71.   twerp
Dang stats. Make it Vandy 6-13 overall vs. No.1s.
2007-02-17 14:31:37
72.   Bob Timmermann
So you're really Buster Olney aren't you?
2007-02-17 14:32:13
73.   twerp
One other item from the more-than-you-probably-wanted-to-know-about-Vandy department, paraphrased from Wikipedia==

A funny but degrading moment came in Lubbock vs. Texas Tech years ago. From the book Dynamite! 75 Years of Vanderbilt Basketball, Vandy radio broadcaster Larry Munson gave this account:

"This one's going down to the wire, folks. Hang on. We've got Gish coming into the game. It'll be Vandy's ball out of bounds. Wait a minute. What's this? Gish has lost his pants! Bob Polk (Vandy coach) has pulled off Lance Gish's pants in front of six thousand screaming fans! The place is going crazy."

In the excitement of the game, Polk was helping Gish out of his warm-up pants and accidentally grabbed his shorts in addition. The embarrassed Gish did make a pair of crucial free throws to help the Commodores win the game by two.

2007-02-17 14:36:20
74.   twerp
71 Caught me. Full name Busted Twerp Olney.
2007-02-17 14:37:17
75.   Greg Brock
Yup, he is Buster Olney.
2007-02-17 14:39:35
76.   Bob Timmermann
From now on, I will call all productive outs "twerps".
2007-02-17 15:09:11
77.   twerp
76. That wouldn't be a bad new user name now that I've been outed.

"Productive out." Kinda like it..

2007-02-17 15:14:01
78.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are going to be piling up the twerps this year.
2007-02-17 15:17:29
79.   twerp
Ah, life on the road in the SEC.

Florida goes down at Vandy. Kentucky loses at Alabama. UT gets clocked at South Carolina.

Reminds me of a quote--from Georgia women's coach Andy Landers, I think--that once he stared coaching in the SEC, he slept like a baby.

Woke up every 20 minutes, screaming...


2007-02-17 15:34:56
80.   Bob Timmermann
I'm guessing that the SEC is underreprsented among DT regulars.
2007-02-17 16:03:07
81.   twerp
80. No doubt. Sushirabbit's also in TN. Maybe the new guy Cajun Dodger counts. He's probably in or near LA. (Louisiana, not Lower Alabama like you guys thought.)

No others come to mind. But given my mind, that may not mean a whole lot.

BTW, if Cajun Dodger's around, Geaux Dodgers!

2007-02-17 16:30:08
82.   underdog
Welcome to Spring Training, File 368:

Anyone see this in today's Dodgers notes column on Cracked me up more than it worried me.
"Brad Penny did throw off a mound with some of the other starters. Penny did his conditioning on indoor machines, which isn't unusual for him, but the club revealed he suffered a slight knee sprain during the Christmas break. Penny said he was tripped up by his retriever on the grounds of his California home, but he had no discomfort Saturday."

2007-02-17 17:27:17
83.   Andrew Shimmin
Do the Zags get to storm the court if they pull this one off?
2007-02-17 17:38:48
84.   Bob Timmermann
No, no they don't.

Did the Cal fans storm the court after their OT win against OSU?

2007-02-17 17:49:48
85.   Terry A
I'm in Arkansas. Longtime AD Frank Broyles was to resign today, and embattled football coach Houston Nutt was to get a contract extension. I don't know if any of that actually happened.

But I can attest that Vandy is a darned unfriendly place to play. And I truly dislike Florida, especially the overrated (and dirty) Joakim Noah.

2007-02-17 17:50:20
86.   Terry A
(85 referred to 81.)
2007-02-17 17:56:14
87.   Icaros
From The Gurnick:

Pierre addressed familiar criticism that his on-base percentage (.350 overall, .330 last year) is inadequate for a leadoff hitter.

"I know that's the knock on me," he said. "I put the ball in play. It's a catch-22 kind of deal. I try to walk, but opposing pitchers and managers figure the worst they'll give up is a double [because he lacks home-run power] so most pitchers pound the strike zone. But I could be more selective."

I guess I'm encouraged that he at least knows why I think he's no good.

2007-02-17 18:03:02
88.   Samuel

So what are the qualifications for a team's fans to storm the court/football field? A win over a top 5 team?

And no, sorry to disappoint Bob. No rushing the court today.

2007-02-17 18:34:39
89.   twerp
It may have taken a while, but contempt for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim name has spread as far as South Carolina (if not further)==

2007-02-17 18:40:51
90.   Bob Timmermann
Allowable court rushing circumstances:
1) Beating #1 team in the country
2) Beating team in the top 10 if it has a winning streak of over 10 games.
3) Beating a traditional rival that you haven't defeated in at least five years.
4) Clinching an NCAA tournament berth.
5) Clinching a conference regular season title.
6) Winning in extraordinarily dramatic fashion (hitting long shot or coming back from 10+ down with less than 2 minutes left are examples).

Please print up the rules, get them laminated and take them to your next college basketball game.

2007-02-17 18:48:29
91.   Andrew Shimmin
So, under rule two, Gonzaga could have stormed the court, if they'd win. Which they didn't. But still, you've reversed yourself.
2007-02-17 19:07:20
92.   Bob Timmermann
Pac-10 standings
2) Washington State
3) USC
4) Stanford
5) Oregon
6) Arizona
7) Washington
8) Cal
9) Oregon State
10) Arizona State

USC at Arizona State tomorrow.

2007-02-17 20:16:16
93.   Charenton
In Creole/French it would be:

GAUX Dodgers

(think MarGAUX Hemingway)

or even GOT Dodgers
(nothing to do with milk - more with escarGOT)


GEAUX DiMaggio
(wiz a-euh franctch accent bien sur…)

(or Ferguson for those that prefer that the discussion remain Dodger-centric…)

2007-02-17 20:26:12
94.   Xeifrank
Just a reminder to email me if you want to join either the H2H or Roto (5x5) Friends of Dodger Thoughts yahoo fantasy baseball league. vr, Xei
2007-02-17 20:32:40
95.   twerp
93. If Kenny Landreaux were playing now, would it be "Geaux Landreaux"?
2007-02-17 21:21:53
96.   Andrew Shimmin
Far be it from me to tell anyone how to raise his children, but Zappala really needs to get his house in order. And I don't think times out are going to do it. All I know is, if I'd held my dad up to the kind of public ridicule calling Barry Bonds my favorite player would have, there'd have been a spanking when I got home.
2007-02-17 21:30:52
97.   D4P
When you've got that many apples, one of them's bound to be rotten.
2007-02-17 21:44:14
98.   Greg Brock
Hi, my name is Timmy Brock. My Dad's name is Greg.

My favorite player is Juan Pierre. I just love how he gets so many hits, and steals all the bases. He's also got a really cool head.

My all-time favorite player is Cal Ripken Jr. Did you know that in 1991, Cal had a 17.0 WARP3, which was higher than Barry's WARP3 when he hit 73 home runs? Really, it was! That's the greatest season ever by a shortstop...And I wasn't even born yet!

Also, my favorite DT poster is my Dad, Greg. My least favorite poster is a tie between that Andrew guy and the D4P guy. They both seem so mean! I also like ice cream.

2007-02-17 21:51:10
99.   D4P
Hi, my name is Timmy Brock

My Dad's not married. I overheard someone say I was a "love child." I asked my Dad what that means, and he said that means I'm his child, and he loves me.

2007-02-17 21:55:50
100.   D4P
BTW: We watched "Down With Love" tonight. Hadn't watched it in a few years. What a fun movie. Good date movie, to you single guys and gals out there.
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2007-02-17 21:56:06
101.   Greg Brock
Timmy knows that love has very little to do with it. His middle name is Wynton, because without Jazzfest in New Orleans, he would not exist.
2007-02-17 22:14:18
102.   Daniel Zappala
That's cold, Andrew. A kid shouldn't have to deal with the harsh realities of steroids and bitter rivals just yet. Let him be a kid for a little while longer. :-)
2007-02-17 22:15:55
103.   D4P
Timmy knows that love has very little to do with it

Down with love, eh...?

2007-02-17 22:22:43
104.   Andrew Shimmin
I understand. Some people are against spanking. I'm cool with that. How about a series of small electrical shocks?
2007-02-17 22:33:59
105.   Greg Brock
You two are terrible.
2007-02-17 22:34:57
106.   Andrew Shimmin
105- It would hurt me, more than it would hurt him. But, what must be done, must be done.
2007-02-17 22:35:38
107.   Greg Brock
Andrew and D4P, in all their glory...

2007-02-17 22:37:03
108.   D4P
Why do we always come here,
I guess we'll never know
It's like some kind of torture,
To have to watch the show
2007-02-17 22:38:28
109.   D4P
BTW: I see that Chris Cornell is leaving Audioslave, citing "irresolvable personality conflicts." What, is he filing for divorce or something?

Audioslave had a handful of great songs.

2007-02-17 22:40:06
110.   Greg Brock
Who is Chris Cornell, and who is Audioslave?

And what does it have to do with making fun of Daniel's kids?

2007-02-17 22:41:45
111.   Andrew Shimmin
Just to be clear, since the pronoun wasn't defined, the order of pain from least to most would be: Zappala père; Shimmin; Zappala fils. Electrical shocks hurt physically, the only kind of pain a man can understand.
2007-02-17 22:45:11
112.   StolenMonkey86
107 - those are my favorite two muppet characters
2007-02-17 22:46:30
113.   D4P
And favorite two DT posters...!
2007-02-17 22:48:11
114.   trainwreck
Alright, I am just inebriated enough to post in this thread. Rage is getting back together for Cochella Festival, so hopefully that means Rage is back together for awhile. I hated Audioslave. I just kept dreaming those band members were back with their old bands.
2007-02-17 22:50:22
115.   D4P
Rage Against the Machine planned to reunite to perform at this year's Coachella Valley Arts and Music Festival...Tom Morello, the lead guitarist of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave, has said the concert is a one-shot deal.

How could you hate Audioslave? At the very least, you have to like "Like a Stone", "Be Yourself", and "Doesn't Remind Me"...

2007-02-17 22:56:20
116.   trainwreck
I am sorry D4P, but Audioslave has maybe two good songs. That band just makes me wish it was still the 90's.
2007-02-17 22:59:30
117.   D4P
Audioslave has maybe two good songs.

I agree with that. I think a few of their songs are great, and the rest I don't care much about. But the great songs are enough to make me think kindly of them.

2007-02-17 22:59:35
118.   Greg Brock
D4P watches Down with Love and listens to Rage Against the Machine and knows who Tom Morello is..

Is it possible for anybody in the world to have worse taste? Really? Is there somebody that likes Ishtar and Tuvan throat music? Pistachio ice cream and the Holocaust? Corduroy pants and the Thompson Twins?

2007-02-17 23:02:34
119.   trainwreck
I dunno about the Thompson Twims, but I do love me some Depeche Mode and Billy Ocean.

There are bands that I feel the same way about, so I can understand your perspective.

2007-02-17 23:05:17
120.   D4P
I don't listen to Rage Against the Machine. From what I know of their "music," it's mostly just screaming and yelling, which isn't my thing. (NOTE: My comments here are not directed one way or another at the content of what they're screaming and yelling)

I only know who Tom Morello is because of his participation in Audioslave.

I stand by Down With Love.

2007-02-17 23:05:44
121.   trainwreck
Down with Love is no Pillow Talk, by the way.
2007-02-17 23:07:05
122.   trainwreck
Rage Against the Machine is not just screaming, okay. It is screaming about communism.
2007-02-17 23:09:13
123.   D4P
It is screaming about communism

In support of or in opposition to...?

2007-02-17 23:10:02
124.   trainwreck
Rage are hardcore communist/probably socialists lol. As you can see, I am an expert.
2007-02-17 23:11:39
125.   D4P
Well, like I said, I wasn't addressing the content of their screaming, just the sound. I don't like listening to screaming, even if I agree with what is being scrum.
2007-02-17 23:13:03
126.   Greg Brock
Rage Against the machine is fantastic. They scream about economics and politics and tell me about the world, and yet none of them have ever graduated college or studied economics or held a job in their entire life.

Rage Against the Machine is every kid I've ever taught in high school. Loud and passionate and unbelievably stupid.

2007-02-17 23:15:13
127.   trainwreck
You just killed my dream GB.
2007-02-17 23:15:44
128.   D4P
They scream about economics and politics and tell me about the world, and yet none of them have ever graduated college or studied economics or held a job in their entire life

Kinda like people who scream about WARP and VORP but have never played professional baseball...

2007-02-17 23:18:02
129.   Greg Brock
Yeah, man, you read books and stuff, and you study Hume and Locke and Mill and Smith and Burke, but I feel, man. I understand the world, man. I know what people are going through. Your petty bourgeois intellectualism doesn't bother me, man. I know the truth, man. I'm real.

I write music. I'm an artist. I understand the world.

2007-02-17 23:18:51
130.   trainwreck
I don't steal from books like you Mr. Brock.
2007-02-17 23:20:09
131.   Xeifrank
Anybody else going to the Chinese New Years festivities in Pasadena tomorrow? If so, make sure you stop by and say "hi" to me. I will be manning the Guo-Mania booth.
vr, Xei
2007-02-17 23:21:07
132.   trainwreck
I will be doing Chinese New Years in San Francisco, but I will be thinking of you, Xeifrank.
2007-02-17 23:23:07
133.   D4P
Yeah, man, you read books and stuff, and you study Beane and DePodesta and James and McCracken and Silver, but I feel, man. I understand the game, man. I know what players are going through. Your petty sabremetric intellectualism doesn't bother me, man. I know the truth, man. I'm real.

I played baseball. I was a professional athlete. I understand the game.

2007-02-17 23:24:57
134.   Greg Brock
133 Exactly. Complacent rockers and quasi-socialist punks are the equivalent of Joe Morgan.

All feeling...all intuition...Zero logic.

2007-02-17 23:25:06
135.   Xeifrank
132. Sounds like fun, SF has the best US based Chinatown I've ever visited.
vr, Xei
2007-02-17 23:32:44
136.   D4P
How does Greg rate the following in terms of their worth:

1. High feeling...High intuition...Low logic
2. Low feeling...Low intution...High logic
3. High feeling...High intuition...High logic

2007-02-17 23:33:45
137.   trainwreck
I use high logic.
2007-02-17 23:39:17
138.   Greg Brock
136 I can't use any scale that doesn't include sarcasm.

It's my bread and butter.

2007-02-17 23:40:07
139.   Andrew Shimmin
Wouldn't listening to Rage Against the Machine while high tend to make some one super paranoid?
2007-02-17 23:42:39
140.   trainwreck
2007-02-17 23:59:44
141.   Greg Brock
Who gets high anymore? Really, it was a blast when I was in college, but who gets to do that nowadays? Getting high is one of those things that artists and musicians and computer programmers and skateboarders and writers get to do.

It's one of those things that you have to give up...Like driving a VW Bus and growing your hair out long. It's only a memory.

2007-02-18 00:03:41
142.   trainwreck
I can totally see Brock as the hippie history teacher that you know used to be a stoner and still might smoke on occasion. I TA'd for that guy.
2007-02-18 00:04:28
143.   trainwreck
Oh, and he plays a guitar, shows a lot of movies, and has classes full of free time.
2007-02-18 00:11:19
144.   Greg Brock
143 You'd be surprised. I don't play movies in my class, I don't give much free time, and I'm kind of a jerk. I call everyone by their last name (Ms. Smith or Mr. Smith, etc.), I'm a tardy nazi, and I never, ever play my guitar.
2007-02-18 00:16:39
145.   trainwreck
You sir, are no Edward James Olmos.
2007-02-18 00:27:46
146.   Bob Timmermann
I picture Greg Brock as being more like Mr. Rosso in "Freaks and Geeks."
2007-02-18 00:28:39
147.   Greg Brock
Being tough doesn't mean that kids hate you. Teenagers like boundaries. They like responsibility. They like being pushed.
2007-02-18 00:30:06
148.   Greg Brock
146 Actually, I'm more like Dr. Cox on Scrubs.
2007-02-18 00:30:08
149.   trainwreck
I liked one of my tough match teachers. Mostly because he beat his brother with a baseball bat and head butted his dog.
2007-02-18 00:35:18
150.   Greg Brock
Come on. You guys have chatted enough with me to know my personality. My kids love me. When they do well, they can't wait to tell me. When I'm disappointed in them, they know it. I'm like a parent, especially where I teach.

I mean, really. Imagine a teacher like D4P or Andrew. I might quit school and join a gang.

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2007-02-18 00:38:22
151.   Greg Brock
I will add that seeing Bob Timmermann as a high school teacher would be about 47 kinds of awesome.

I bet Bob would be great.

2007-02-18 00:46:13
152.   Andrew Shimmin
I'd be exactly the kind of teacher I wish I'd had. Completely indifferent. Like a good prison guard. Schools would be better if more of the kids who are no good anyway stopped going. Nowhere near enough kids drop out or get expelled.
2007-02-18 00:49:46
153.   trainwreck
And I thought I was jaded.
2007-02-18 00:50:08
154.   Greg Brock
Nowhere near enough kids drop out or get expelled.

Amen. If schools had quality vocational programs, like they used to have, high schools would be a much better place. At some point, becoming a plumber or electrician became less than noble. The demise of vocational education is a total disaster. Kids should learn valuable trades.

2007-02-18 00:51:52
155.   Andrew Shimmin
There'll never be a movie made about it, but someday, some where, some principal is going to notice that if he just expels the bottom quartile of his students, his school will hit all its NCLB targets. And a movement will begin.
2007-02-18 00:54:20
156.   trainwreck
My highschool had a lot of dropouts and we were a California Dignified School.

I am now a believer in the Shimmin School System.

2007-02-18 00:57:40
157.   Andrew Shimmin
There should also be fewer years of primary education. There's nothing I learned in high school that I couldn't have learned between the ages of thirteen and sixteen. Kids entering college already can't read or write. If they have to go to college to learn that stuff, anyway, why not just get to it, instead of wasting a couple extra years? Plus, if you move them out, they have fewer opportunities to corrupt the younger kids.
2007-02-18 01:00:30
158.   Greg Brock
You guys have no idea what it's like to have total slugs in your class. I mean, kids you actually wish would get arrested or deported or expelled. I have kids in my classes that I want to fight...I mean, really, down and dirty, want to meet in a darkened alley.

I have students that I want to punch in the face. How horrible is that?

2007-02-18 01:02:20
159.   Andrew Shimmin
158- If you really cared about the rest of your students, you'd hire a hobo to kill the slugs. There'd be a movie about that, but it would be on the Lifetime Channel. And you would not be charitably portrayed.
2007-02-18 01:03:46
160.   trainwreck
187, Samuel L. Jackson! You could take them out Brock, but you would have to give yourself up in the process.
2007-02-18 01:08:23
161.   Greg Brock
The only upside is that some of the kids are baseball players, and the head coach is a friend of mine. I let him know who deserves to be crushed, and he crushes them.

If teachers could torture students like baseball coaches can, the world would be a better place.

2007-02-18 01:10:52
162.   Marty
Xei, there is a Chinese New Year celebration in Pasadena Sunday? Where? Old Town? I'm close so I may be able to go. I'm in the middle of a work all-nighter, but I might be able to wander down in the morning.
2007-02-18 01:11:33
163.   Andrew Shimmin
If teachers could torture students like baseball coaches can, the world would be a better place.

No. It wouldn't. Most of your co-workers are not to be trusted with that sort of authority. That's the extra-super-terrific thing about my plan. Fewer students means fewer teachers. It's not a perfect plan since the people picking which teachers to dump would be the same morons (for the most part; some administrators aren't useless, just like some teachers aren't) who hired them in the first place. But it'd be a start.

2007-02-18 01:18:17
164.   Greg Brock
163 Just so you understand the breakdown (And I'm sure Suffering Bruin will back me up on this)

Class Size: 30

Kids you absolutely love: 5
Kids you'll forget next quarter: 7
Kids You like, but are bad students: 4
Kids that disrupt your class, but you still like:2
Kids that just exist: 8
Kids that you want to beat with a fungo: 4

2007-02-18 02:33:24
165.   dzzrtRatt
The latest Juan Pierre detractor? Juan Pierre, quoted on

Pierre addressed familiar criticism that his on-base percentage (.350 overall, .330 last year) is inadequate for a leadoff hitter.

"I know that's the knock on me," he said. "I put the ball in play. It's a catch-22 kind of deal. I try to walk, but opposing pitchers and managers figure the worst they'll give up is a double [because he lacks home-run power] so most pitchers pound the strike zone. But I could be more selective."


2007-02-18 02:40:34
166.   Greg Brock
It's not Juan Pierre's fault he stinks. I'm sure he wishes he was a better player. I wish I was Mickey Mantle.
2007-02-18 04:41:08
167.   Sam DC
Are there still hobos?
2007-02-18 05:20:40
168.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 144

I call everyone by their last name (Ms. Smith or Mr. Smith, etc.)

I do that to, including the year I taught at Yale, where I was maybe one of two faculty members on campus who had that custom (the other being one of my former teachers there, who was a great guy, and sort-of a contemporary American version of Cato the Elder). Of course, now that I teach at Navy, it's not really required, but the general norm is for even the civilians to call the midshipmen by their family names. But, really, I do think there's far too much familiarity in High School and College classrooms nowadays--people frequently forgot that familiarity breeds contempt.


2007-02-18 05:24:28
169.   Charenton
1. High feeling...High intuition...Low logic
2. Low feeling...Low intuition...High logic
3. High feeling...High intuition...High logic
But you forgot a combo:

4. Low feeling...High intuition...High logic
I have many intelligent young students that listen to 'Rage' (including one getting his Phd in Biology).

Not having the time to ask him his feelings on the subject, i can imagine him saying:

Then there are those who only profess to have

4. Low feeling...High intuition...High logic

and use that mask to get billion dollar contracts from the US government for the deadweight company that they used to lead before becoming vice-president…
Mill, Smith and Burke taken to their logical conclusion…
(fungo bat 'em? 'cause they don't toe the line and listen to too much "Rage"?)
(Or hit 'em over the head with a copy of "Atlas Shrugged"?)
(or send'em off to Iraq?)

2007-02-18 05:35:24
170.   Charenton

Bearing in mind that the reference is very

Low feeling...Low intuition...High logic

I can't imagine a lovechild ever being conceived with the middle name Wynton.

(unless the reference is Wynton Kelly…
W.M.'s actual namesake)

Louis, Miles, Dizzy, Freddie or Woody(Shaw) certainly, but not Wynton…

2007-02-18 08:54:13
171.   Bob Timmermann
I've been told my girlfriend that my tenure as a public school teacher in either middle school or high school would last about 45 minutes.
2007-02-18 08:57:31
172.   D4P
I can totally see Brock as the hippie history teacher that you know used to be a stoner and still might smoke on occasion

2007-02-18 09:12:12
173.   Disabled List
155 There'll never be a movie made about it, but someday, some where, some principal is going to notice that if he just expels the bottom quartile of his students, his school will hit all its NCLB targets.

I assume NCLB stands for No Child Left Behind?

I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the irony in that sentence is downright Orwellian.

2007-02-18 09:44:06
174.   Bob Timmermann
So do I need to put up a combined Daytona 500/NBA All-Star Game thread on the Griddle?
2007-02-18 09:59:20
175.   Sam DC
155, 173 Am I just missing an implicit refernce to the the movie that was already made about that?

2007-02-18 10:01:03
176.   D4P
As opposed to what: separate threads, or none at all...?
2007-02-18 10:04:36
177.   Bob Timmermann
It would be a thread only for the person who is an equally big fan of Nascar and the NBA.
2007-02-18 14:49:17
178.   Andrew Shimmin
There's definitely something Orwellian about NCLB, but I'm not convinced it's my irony. The target AMOs in California for proficiency in Math and English are less than 25% (using 2005 data; the 2006 numbers are due out in March). If schools were adequately teaching one quarter of their charges they'd hit the goals. But they're missing them, instead. California may have been singularly masochistic in setting its standards but, without getting political, it'd be easier to expel a quarter of all school children than replace enough legislators with people who, um, had a sufficiently different, um, approach to, um, school standards.

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