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2007-02-23 08:53
by Jon Weisman

I'm continuing a short breather before fully engaging in Spring Training, but please feel free to continue chatting away. I should be back in action by Monday.

One idle thought: It has dawned on me again that I have been neglecting writing in any depth about the various rankings of the Dodger farm system. The commenters here and other Dodger blogs continue to carry the ball on this (and many other matters, of course), which is cool. I might try to sum up some of the discussion in the next week or two.

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2007-02-23 10:33:58
1.   twerp
My semi-serious question for the day==

If rabbits on base means that hitters who follow them get a steady diet of fastballs, why not have Matt Kemp follow the rabbits? He does well on that kind of diet...

2007-02-23 11:02:14
2.   Sam DC
A Baseball/Screen Jam crossover post: Jack McCoy takes on . . . The Save.

2007-02-23 11:04:27
3.   Sam DC
And Bronx Banter has a historian horning in six feet under Bob's turf!
2007-02-23 11:16:54
4.   aloofman
1. - Because Kemp seeing fastballs still isn't as good as Nomar? By the same reasoning, Saenz should bat cleanup against all lefty starters. I'm not sure that would pay off often enough.

I like Furcal as leadoff. Pierre's talent is for bunting and making contact, which makes him a better #2. He can pretend he's a leadoff hitter when Furcal doesn't get on base.

Hmmm. If the bases are empty, shouldn't almost every hitter be pretending he's a leadoff hitter?

2007-02-23 11:19:44
5.   CajunDodger
Good point, and I think that it will work out this way by June or July. Of course, this will probably be the year that everyone stays healthy and Gonzo will get 550 ABs. (Shudder)
2007-02-23 11:22:18
6.   CajunDodger
Did everyone see Andrew's PECOTA projections for the Dodger record based on projected playing time? Not good. I would like to see how accurate the projections are based on previous years...
2007-02-23 11:41:57
7.   CanuckDodger
6 -- Take those projections with a grain of salt. Andrew acknowledges that PECOTA underestimates Dodger pitching, but in my opinion he underestimates just how much PECOTA underestimates our pitching. The Dodgers in 2007 will depend on pitching and an offense that is characterized by high batting averages and speed. PECOTA will ALWAYS predict doom for such a team, nevermind that those teams are often, in fact if not in sabermetric theory, quite successful. I think we will win between 86 and 92 games this year.
2007-02-23 11:47:36
8.   CajunDodger
I like about 91 wins for us, but either San Diego or Colorado will have to be slightly worse than I think for that to happen. If we can somehow split the season series with the Pads, then we may be able to win closer to 95, but we never seem to play well enough to do that.
2007-02-23 11:48:13
9.   Benaiah
Jim v. Roy in 6 weeks. Two men enter the D.M. Cage, only one will walk out. I would pay per view that fight over some lame mixed martial arts hexagon.
2007-02-23 11:50:42
10.   CanuckDodger
I think we are a better in team going into 2007 than we were in 2006, and I don't think winning 88 games last year was just luck, so the projection that we will win 80 games is just not reasonable.
2007-02-23 11:54:46
11.   adraymond
Unfortunately for Jim I don't think clever quips will be able to compete with Roy's blind rage. I'll take the Roy in the 2nd.
2007-02-23 11:58:38
12.   CajunDodger
That seemed a bit pessimistic to me, and I really like Grady's decision to put Pierre in the 2-hole. I think that will be good for an additional 20-30 runs over the course of the year.

My 92-win season is a bit on the other side, but it is definitely attainable. Bad seasons are based on bad luck coupled with bad depth. I have confidence that we have every position save for SS backed up adequately either on the bench (Loney, Saenz, Anderson) or in the minors (Kemp, LaRoche, and Miller).

2007-02-23 12:18:50
13.   Icaros
I really like Grady's decision to put Pierre in the 2-hole. I think that will be good for an additional 20-30 runs over the course of the year.

I hope you mean that the extra 20-30 runs will result from having the tremendously better hitter, Furcal, batting leadoff (i.e. more often) than anything Pierre is going to do batting second.

But if you don't mean that, I'm certainly not looking to open this can of bedbugs again.

2007-02-23 12:27:13
14.   CajunDodger
Ahhh yes, the proverbial can of worms. I am with the majority in thinking that, irrespective of his contract, he does have some value, but that we have one of the top lead-off guys already and that Furcal should not be displaced.

My humble opinion is that Russ Martin would actually be better in the 2-hole, but Pierre will certainly have more value there than in the lead-off slot.

2007-02-23 12:28:38
15.   D4P
I am with the majority in thinking that, irrespective of his contract, he does have some value

Majority of whom...?

2007-02-23 12:30:19
16.   Benaiah
11 - Jim is a nice guy, but he is also something of an athlete. In the right situation (one where he would have no choice but to fight) I bet he could take Roy. As it is, I imagine he will just get shoved and then beg off. Maybe Dwight will come to his rescue.
2007-02-23 12:32:23
17.   gibsonhobbs88
4 - In some cases yes - the hitter with no one on base and 2 outs can look to approach the at bat as leadoff hitter, but late in the game down by a run the hitter might look to power one for extra bases for a double or homer especially if he has power. If you are JP, then look to get on and steal a base where a single can get you home but the odds are against a team trying to string 3 hits together with 2 out and no one on.
2007-02-23 12:32:35
18.   CajunDodger
That is my diplomatic way of saying (and avoiding the argument) that we could have gone with Lofton/Repko for 5-6 million and saved the remaining 38 million for Andruw Jones or Matt Kemp and some other slugger.
2007-02-23 12:34:23
19.   D4P
FJM's piece on Manny Acta (we got a little taste on DT the other day) is potentially earth-shattering. Do we know of any other managers who have expressed similar thoughts...?
2007-02-23 12:36:25
20.   CajunDodger
2007-02-23 12:37:45
21.   D4P
2007-02-23 12:38:43
22.   CajunDodger
Sorry. Still fairly new.
2007-02-23 12:39:28
23.   Eric Enders
"I hope you mean that the extra 20-30 runs will result from having the tremendously better hitter, Furcal, batting leadoff (i.e. more often) than anything Pierre is going to do batting second."

IMO, it's more the things that Furcal won't do batting second. The 2-hole hitter is going to find himself in more bunt situations, since he bats after the leadoff guy and not after the pitcher. If one of our hitters is going to be wasted bunting, I'd rather it be Pierre than Furcal.

Also, if the 2-hitter is taking more pitches so the leadoff guy can steal, that has the potential to up Pierre's walk rate a little.

2007-02-23 12:46:39
24.   natepurcell
dodger farm rankings?

i recently listened to that chris haydock interview and he had a glowing opinion on greg miller and his stuff and current health. it was nice to hear some optimism for a guy whos been through alot already.

2007-02-23 12:50:11
25.   CajunDodger
I have only been a Dodger fan for 5 years so take this with a bit of salt, but it seems that Maury Wills turned Dave Roberts into a very smart base stealer. Roberts talks about Wills in almost godlike terms.

I wonder if he can teach Pierre to take a few more pitches and to steal in the 85-95% range rather than the 70-80% range.

2007-02-23 12:51:21
26.   CajunDodger
Quite the stable of young quality lefty arms we have: Kuo, Miller, Elbert, Kershaw.
2007-02-23 12:55:43
27.   natepurcell
also to add, reports have it that miller is now throwing basically over the top like he once did before he hurt his arm. If this is true and he can maintain a consistent arm slot and not experience pain, he could become a survivor of TINSTAPP as he passes through the injury nexus.
2007-02-23 13:08:55
28.   Benaiah
23 - I agree that Pierre will hopefully be a little less hurtful in the #2 spot. The thing I am really hoping is that Pierre's presence doesn't lead Furcal to steal more often. Does anyone have figures on hit and run success rates? I imagine that with Pierre batting 2nd there will be a lot of HnR, and I wonder how often they have to be successful to be effective?
2007-02-23 13:16:46
29.   CanuckDodger
In theory, would there be anything wrong with having an all-lefty rotation? Is there a maximum to how many lefties you would find acceptable in a rotation? These are questions that just don't come up, because it has always beeen inconceivable that any team would have four or five MLB-ready left-handed starters who are really good, but in a few years, we might very well be in that situation.
2007-02-23 13:28:52
30.   Paul B
It took me until comment 22 to realize there was a CajunDodger to complement CanuckDodger. I thought Canuck was just having a nice little argument with himself about projected win totals.
2007-02-23 13:38:13
31.   kinbote
i'd love to see miller proclaimed healthy enough to return to starting. he could open the year in AA jacksonville and step right back into line as a starter of the future.

i was a little surprised to read recently that elbert was slated to begin the year at AAA. are we basically accepting that as true?

2007-02-23 13:40:27
32.   natepurcell

no. in the chris haydock interview, he said he thinks elbert will start back in AA again.

2007-02-23 13:45:06
33.   Eric Enders
"In theory, would there be anything wrong with having an all-lefty rotation? Is there a maximum to how many lefties you would find acceptable in a rotation?"

I think it wouldn't matter much as far as having a successful season, but it would rear its head in playoff series against specific teams. If you're facing a team that can't hit lefties (the Mets) or that can't hit righties (the Blue Jays), you'd probably want the ability to tailor your series rotation accordingly.

2007-02-23 13:46:15
34.   twerp
4 A bit late with this...don't know about cleanup, but IMO Saenz should see more AB than last year. He kills lefties, so having him in the lineup against them some of the time probably would be good.

In those games, this might throw Nomar into the RH pinch-hitting role. Which just might be good too; it would give Nomar some of the time off Grady's talking about giving him. And who would you rather have pinch-hitting late in a tight game, based on what he did near the end of last year?

If Kemp kept up anything remotely near the 7HR/ 2 week pace he started with (however unlikely), his power numbers would dwarf anything Nomar's likely to post. In the 3 hole behind rabbits, in theory he'd see less, um, problematic breaking balls.

But at least to start the year, it looks like "in theory" will be the correct way to refer to Kemp. Unless he has learned to hit breaking balls.

2007-02-23 13:47:02
35.   Benaiah
33 - I agree that a diverse rotation is a plus. Still, a rotation with 3 quality lefties is pretty rare, and we could conceivably have that as soon as next year (well, probably the year after, but still).
2007-02-23 13:50:15
36.   kinbote
so nate--our AA rotation could be elbert, miller, megrew, orenduff, & ______?
2007-02-23 13:55:10
37.   twerp
35. I think Pittsburgh projects 3 LH starters this year. But "quality" may be a bit of an obstacle.
2007-02-23 14:08:16
38.   CanuckDodger
36 -- Bastardo could be in the Double A rotation, and if he is there with Elbert, Miller, and Megrew, that is four southpaws right there.
2007-02-23 14:14:15
39.   Dodgers49
34 - But at least to start the year, it looks like "in theory" will be the correct way to refer to Kemp. Unless he has learned to hit breaking balls.

Kemp says the problem is SOLVED.

Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp raves about new contact lenses that allow him to see the ball better

2007-02-23 14:14:18
40.   CajunDodger
In addition, isn't Meloan a lefty? He projects to be 4-5 type. Talk about trade fodder: 2 A-types (Kershaw and Elbert) 2 B-types (Kuo and Miller). Miller could even end up being the best of the bunch.

You would think that just one plus Ethier or Loney could net us Carl Crawford.

2007-02-23 14:18:30
41.   twerp
39. Solved, if seeing=hitting. He did come on toward the end of the year in winter ball. Let's hope it continues.
2007-02-23 14:19:19
42.   Eric Enders
Meloan's a righty. I'd be surprised if he became a starter again anytime soon. If he does, I'd think he'd have significantly more potential than a 4-5 type.

He's like Kuo -- really the only thing that could conceivably hold him back is injuries.

2007-02-23 14:21:27
43.   Eric Enders
So to make sure I was right in 42 I Googled "Meloan," and the fifth hit listed was this sorta disturbing page:

2007-02-23 14:24:28
44.   trainwreck
I just want to hear some spring training news. Such as, how some of our pitchers are looking.
2007-02-23 14:24:41
45.   Dodgers49
Tonight on 'Nightline'
Friday, Feb. 23, 2007 —

Tonight's edition of "Nightline" focuses on money and money-making businesses.

The second story in tonight's program highlights the work of superagent Scott Boras, who has been called the "most powerful man in baseball." He manages the careers of Alex Rodriguez, Carlos Beltran, Greg Maddux, Kenny Rogers, Adrian Beltre and 55 other elite Major League baseball players. My colleague Bill Weir talks to Boras about how he gets his clients multimillion dollar deals and why some people think he is destroying the American pastime. For Boras, it is all about gathering information and getting his clients the money they deserve. Listening to Boras is like taking a seminar in business strategy, with some valuable lessons on preparation, analysis and determination.

2007-02-23 14:25:55
46.   Eric Enders
39 Also noteworthy in that link is Rudy Seanez taking a rather odd potshot at Dodger fans.
2007-02-23 14:26:04
47.   underdog
Never mind AA, I'm holding out hope that Miller proves himself so well he makes the Dodgers' pen to start the season, thus allowing them to trade Hendrickson to some desperate team.

Ditto the above, replacing Miller with Meloan, and Hendrickson with Tomko.

Just a pipe dream?

2007-02-23 14:26:27
48.   trainwreck
He is not even one of our top three prospects and he already has a stalker. That is pretty good.
2007-02-23 14:26:36
49.   Hythloday
I favor an all lefty rotation for personal reasons. After being Ayn Randed and nearly branded a communist because I'm left handed even though that's the hand that I use. . . Well nevermind.
2007-02-23 14:27:22
50.   ishXdavid
Personally Jon, although there is an abundance of inciteful contributions from the commenters, your thoughts are the reason I frequent the site.
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2007-02-23 14:28:31
51.   trainwreck
I almost posted that at ITD, but I think Grady and management will play favorites and go with Hendrickson and Tomko. I think M&M would have to be dominant to have a chance.
2007-02-23 14:30:18
52.   underdog
39 I wonder if the league will soon crack down on "Nike MaxSight performance-enhancing contact lenses" and Kemp will have to testify on the witness stand.

Actually, now I want me some of those - maybe they'll improve my soccer game. That and actual talent.

2007-02-23 14:30:23
53.   Eric Enders
49 Sounds like someone who's been smoking a pint of tea a day.
2007-02-23 14:30:40
54.   Andrew Shimmin
43- It will surprise no one to learn that that's a Canadian website.
2007-02-23 14:31:05
55.   Hythloday
So is the DT consensus that ideal lineup will eventually be:


2007-02-23 14:31:19
56.   Eric Enders
That typo in 50 is rather appropriate considering what went on at ItD last night.
2007-02-23 14:32:31
57.   Hythloday
53 - In other news my bowtie is really a camera.
2007-02-23 14:34:29
58.   Dodgers49
41. - He did come on toward the end of the year in winter ball. Let's hope it continues.

And that was BEFORE he used the new contacts. So it will be interesting to see what kind of spring he has.

Kemp began wearing Nike MaxSight performance-enhancing contact lenses during batting practice this week in an attempt to improve poor pitch selection skills that caused him to slump as a rookie after hitting seven home runs in 11 games.

The amber-tinted lenses for daytime use have made the 22-year-old feel so comfortable in the cage that he said he would use them in games this season. They not only protect his eyes from the sun's glare, but they also increase contrast for him to better see the red seams on a fast-moving baseball.

2007-02-23 14:35:29
59.   trainwreck
Andrew and his crazy hate for Canada.
2007-02-23 14:39:24
60.   trainwreck
Imagine a bullpen of Saito, Broxton, Kuo, Miller, Meloan, and Tsao. Not to mention Brazoban returning at some point. That is an entire bullpen filled with guys with nasty, power stuff.
2007-02-23 14:40:38
61.   LAT
The amber-tinted lenses for daytime use. . .

So how many daytime games we got? Not that many I suspect.

2007-02-23 14:41:46
62.   Andrew Shimmin
59- I don't hate Canada! Canada is a beautiful country, with lush hillsides, and mooses. What I hate is Canadians; the people, not the place.
2007-02-23 14:43:00
63.   Benaiah
60 - Yeah. So nasty. A bullpen full of guys that can get K's, rather than crap who pitch to contact and hope for the best. Though I think Kuo will start and Billz with relieve.
2007-02-23 14:43:12
64.   ishXdavid
I meant "insightful".
2007-02-23 14:44:07
65.   LAT
60 What is why did Gagne go to Texas?
2007-02-23 14:44:17
66.   Paul B
USA Today reporting on the glory of Dodgertown and the pending move to Glendale, AZ.

I'll be making my first trip to spring training this year as well, following the Dodgers through the Grapefruit League, March 24-27.

2007-02-23 14:45:02
67.   Hythloday
60 - Is it a problem to have a bullpen made entirely of power arms? Do you want a mix of junk and power to keep batters off balance late in the game? I suppose it doesn't matter as long as you're getting outs.
2007-02-23 14:45:56
68.   Dodgers49
61 - So how many daytime games we got? Not that many I suspect.

Good point. Maybe they'll play him during the day and LuGo at night. :-)

2007-02-23 14:48:25
69.   Eric Enders
Saito can junk with the best of them, though, as can Elmer.
2007-02-23 14:48:55
70.   bhsportsguy
55 Never paint that broad a brush, all kidding aside, I don't have a problem seeing Kemp spend some time in Vegas and frankly unless Gonzalez gets hurt, thats where he will be when April 2, 2007 rolls around no matter what he does in spring.

57 Let's see how Spring Training pans out and if any deals are made regarding starters. Meloan only has one season in the books so I would expect him to go back to High A or to AA while Miller could be a player in the bullpen but people tend to forget that the Dodgers also have Dessens. The Dodgers have Schmidt, Lowe, Penny, Wolf, Tomko, Hendrickson and Dessens all under guaranteed veteran contracts (e.g. no going down to Vegas for them) Add Beimel and Saito in the mix and that leaves only a few spots open, one will be Broxton, so all of sudden that's 10 guys before we even talk about Chad or Kuo.

2007-02-23 14:49:42
71.   Sam DC
(after reading the discussion at ITD): Is it correct that OBP gives credit for reaching on an error or a fielder's choice?

I hadn't thought that -- I thought it was just hits and walks (and HBP?).

2007-02-23 14:49:47
72.   twerp
25 I was surprised a while back to find that Maury Wills SB % isn't what you might think. He had the great '62 year, 104 steals, only 13 CS, 88.9%.

But career he was 490 of 661, 74.13%.

Second on the Dodger list is Davey Lopes, 418 of 503 career, 83.10%, quite a bit better success rate.

Third, Willie Davis, 335 of 451, 74.28%.

Pierre, career: 325 of 441, 73.7%. Only very slightly behind Wills' percentage.

Wills seems to think Pierre can have more SB success as a Dodger. FWIW==


Pierre .350 .377 .303
Wills .331 .332 .281

BTW, Geaux Dodgers!

2007-02-23 14:52:11
73.   natepurcell

give me power or give me death by hendricklation.

2007-02-23 14:52:35
74.   Benaiah
67 - I think righty, lefty, delivery slots, off speed pitches and different movement on the ball can all keep them mixed up. I don't really see the advantage of following someone who brings it in the mid-90s with a junk baller in the 80's. It seems like opposing hitters would be able to see the ball better and adjust accordingly within a few pitches. I can see the advantage of going from Greg Maddux to Broxton, but no inherant advantage to the opposite (all other things being equal obviously, Maddux makes up for his non-existant velocity obviously).
2007-02-23 14:53:57
75.   CajunDodger
I suspect that either Tomko or Hendrickson will be gone before the end of Spring Training. The Mets, Cards, Blue Jays, and D-Rays could all use a cheap arm in the rotation.

As aggressive as Coletti is, I just can't see him not making a deal for a high-ceiling type in rookie ball to some poor team needing to take a flier on a pitcher.

2007-02-23 14:54:40
76.   Benaiah
71 - I don't think so. I think E's count as outs. Sac flies and bunts count though, against OBP.
2007-02-23 14:56:06
77.   twerp
49 Everyone is born right-handed. Only the greatest can overcome it.
2007-02-23 14:58:20
78.   Eric Enders
70 Since Meloan has already utterly dominated AA, I find the notion that he would go back to High A unlikely. I would be surprised if he started the season anywhere other than LV.

71 No, it's not.

There are several classic comments in that thread. That's one of them. Here's another...

"Another stat that seems to be overlooked when comparing the 2 is versatility. Kenny Lofton played over 150 games twice in his career, Pierre has played over 150 in all of his full time seasons, including 162 games in the past several."

2007-02-23 14:59:00
79.   CajunDodger
Again, I am new here so this may have been discussed previously, but what OBP would it take for Pierre to be considered satisfactory to this crowd?


I would think that a .360 with a SB% of about 80-85% would make me positively giddy. The next question would be: Knowing that he is genuinely a character-guy and a hard-worker, can he adjust to take 30 more walks per season and steal 10 fewer bases?

2007-02-23 15:00:52
80.   trainwreck
You are correct. .360 with 85% steal rate would make me giddy. But then there are 4 more years that I also have to be giddy.
2007-02-23 15:01:36
81.   natepurcell

id take league average or above and i wont be mad.

2007-02-23 15:03:59
82.   Eric Enders
79 I think there's a graduated scale to that. Here's what I would say to each of those.

.350 "Well, that's not quite as awful as we expected. Still, I hope he doesn't have a no-trade clause."

.360 "That's about as good as we could have hoped for. I guess we might be able to win with this guy in the lineup after all."

.400 "It's a cold bright day in April, and the clocks are striking thirteen... Hey, look, there's Bob's friend Babe flying around!"

2007-02-23 15:11:37
83.   trainwreck
.400 "Man, it is hot and what is with these evil looking guys riding horses?"
2007-02-23 15:14:19
84.   natepurcell
just because i want to hype up kershaw as the next koufax...from goldsteins BP chat.

Mike G. (Salem, NH): Kevin, when you say that Clayton Kershaw is the "total package," how do you form that opinion? Have you seen him pitch? Do you talk to scouts? Are you a scout yourself? I'm just trying to figure out how a traditionally stats-heavy web site is now posting a top prospects ranking that includes an 18-year-old pitcher with 37 innings of rookie ball experience as the #16 prospect in baseball, given the horrendous historical track record of 18-year-old pitchers.

Kevin Goldstein: Mike,

I am not a scout. I'm talk to MANY, MANY scouts and I think I have a very good understanding of the scouting process, and what scouts look for in a player, as well as which scouting attributes are most importatnt when predicting future success. Let's combine many of these attributes into just three things.
1. Size/Athleticism: at 6-3/210, Kershaw has an ideal pitcher's build and clean mechanics. This combination also helps with projection.
2. Stuff: He's already in the low-to-mid 90s, touches 97, has an outstanding curveball and a changeup that is advances for his age -- oh yeah, he's left-handed as well.
3. Pitchability: Kershaw is a strike-throwing machine who can locate his fastball at will and knows how to set up hitters.

There's really no weaknesses in his game at all, and that's why he is so high.

As to your second point, BP is and always will be a traditionally stats-heavy site. However, that doesn't mean that the company is going to put statistics above all else. I was brought on to provide coverage of baseball below the big league level, and that involves using statistics AND scouting -- because that's the way to do what I do properly. As far as the track record of 18 year old pitchers, think about every great pitcher in baseball right now -- I'm fairly certain that all of them we're 18 years old at some point, and I think to simply ignore every 18 year old pitcher because of the risk involved is a cop out and taking the eary route. I'm much more interesting in trying to find the next big thing, than with finding to next 'ok' thing and not making any mistakes. With risk comes reward.

2007-02-23 15:14:27
85.   CajunDodger
82, 83
Is .400 akin to asking Adam Dunn to steal 35 bases? Asking David Wells to eat a salad?
2007-02-23 15:14:42
86.   Hythloday
79 - I'd even be willing to take lower (say .340 and up) if he were batting in the 8 hole, but you know . . .
2007-02-23 15:18:04
87.   CajunDodger
Another question: Has there ever been purely a "stuff" comparison made between Miller and Kershaw? I wonder who scouts/GMs would say has the better upside.
2007-02-23 15:19:21
88.   Disabled List
Dave Roberts put up a .293/.360/.393 line last year, for nice OPS+ of exactly 100. He also was successful on 49 of 55 stolen base attempts. If Juan Pierre could duplicate those numbers, I'd be thrilled.

And yes, I fully realize that I've been reduced to hoping for a Dave Roberts-level of performance out of a player we just gave $44 million to.

2007-02-23 15:21:40
89.   trainwreck
It is pretty hard to compare since Miller is way more advanced in his career, but most people seem to rate Kershaw higher so I think that speaks to his stuff. He may already locate his pitches better.
2007-02-23 15:22:41
90.   Marty
77 Well said.
2007-02-23 15:24:43
91.   still bevens
88 I would also like to add that Dave Roberts is known to blow a bubble with his gum mid-steal right as he slides into second which I think is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
2007-02-23 15:25:33
92.   natepurcell

Miller has better pure stuff. But damn, its really close considering both have excellent sinking action on their fastballs and developed secondary offerings. Right now though until Miller can show he has regained it, Kershaw's control is alarmingly advanced for his age.

i still cant get over the fact he only issued 5 walks in like 37IP last year with a 10.8:1 k:bb ratio. That even exceeded my high expectations for him.

2007-02-23 15:26:14
93.   ssjames
87 Purely on stuff Miller would be better, he throws harder, his pitches are more advanced and the command is nearly even assuming 04 Miller vs. 06 Kershaw. But Kershaw is younger and may have a higher ceiling than Miller does. That seems to be what I have read.
2007-02-23 15:26:31
94.   Eric Enders
91 Yeah, but what becomes of the gum with all that dirt flying? I guess when they say Dave Roberts has grit, they really mean it.
2007-02-23 15:26:40
95.   trainwreck
To further add to 89. Miller already sits in the mid 90's, but I think Kershaw eventually will as well. Also, Miller relies on his slider, while Kershaw does not even throw one.
2007-02-23 15:27:49
96.   CajunDodger
My understanding is that John Shuerholz (sp?) once said that Miller was the best pitching prospect he had ever seen. Makes you wonder what could have been had he not gotten hurt.
2007-02-23 15:28:13
97.   ssjames
93 Obviously if Miller never has his command return, Kershaw has a huge advantage.
2007-02-23 15:29:24
98.   CajunDodger
What are Miller and Kerhsaw's secondary pitches and how do they rate?
2007-02-23 15:32:37
99.   trainwreck
Miller throws a variety of fastballs and then throws a very good slider. He has a changeup, but it is not very good.

The chat excerpt Nate posted details Kershaw's stuff (great curve and good change).

2007-02-23 15:42:39
100.   CanuckDodger
96 -- It wasn't the Braves' GM, but their Double A manager (at the time) who said Miller was the best minor league pitcher he ever saw. Miller pitched two games against his team at age 18, and I believe had a strikeout to walk ratio of something like 27 to 3 over 14 innings.

98 -- Miller has a curve, a slider and a change-up. Kershaw, a curve and a developing change-up. Kershaw was 18 last year, and he wasn't as good as Miller was at 18. Miller at age 18 may have been HISTORICALLY great, but then the shoulder started to hurt...

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2007-02-23 15:43:20
101.   das411
66 - Does the online version of that article have the same picture as the paper copy, with Tommy La Sorda (eh?) making some poor little girl cry?

Also FWIW I saw these two notes in the Phila Daily News today and don't think they have come up here at all:

First baseman Nomar Garciaparra says he's been told the team plans to change the colors of the seats behind the plate at Dodger Stadium. Last year they were pale yellow and infielders tended to lose track of the ball once it left the pitcher's hand. Club officials wouldn't confirm it, but Garciaparra said the seats will now be "kind of teal green."

Randy Wolf, who signed with the Dodgers as a free agent, on now having ready access to his favorite West Coast hamburger chain: "If I end the season at 320 pounds, it will be because of In-N-Out burgers, that's for sure."

Also the Phightin Phillies did not do all that badly when we had three lefties (one of them being the aforementioned Wolfman) in the rotation for half a season last year...

2007-02-23 15:44:01
102.   CajunDodger
You never can trust second-hand info. Thanks for the correction.
2007-02-23 15:45:41
103.   trainwreck
LOL man I am stupid. I have been talking about Andrew Miller this whole time.
2007-02-23 15:47:28
104.   trainwreck
My respect for Randy Wolf just went up a ton.
2007-02-23 15:57:21
105.   Greg Brock
Well, the new Nats manager certainly sounds like a reasonable fellow. I sure hope he doesn't post at Inside the Dodgers.
2007-02-23 15:57:23
106.   Hythloday
101 - Between leaving money on the table and spending on Double Doubles he's going to go broke.

In-N-Out and the Shack are the two I miss most here in CO. I can console myself with the Cherry Cricket, but only partially.

2007-02-23 15:58:33
107.   natepurcell
hey jon, do you have josh rawitch's email address? or is that private information?
2007-02-23 15:58:44
108.   trainwreck
Whats the Shack? (I'm sorry if I just committed blasphemy to some)
2007-02-23 16:00:14
109.   Xeifrank
Just a reminder that if you want to join the Friends of Dodger Thoughts yahoo fantasy baseball league to please email me. We are almost half full in both the Roto and H2H leagues. Pls specify in your email which league you'd like to join.
vr, Xei
2007-02-23 16:00:34
110.   CanuckDodger
After Greg Miller struck out 14 batters and walked 1 in 7 innings in his second Double A game, Miller was described as having a fastball that sat at 92-93 MPH and topped out at 94, his curve was 77-80 MPH, his slider was 84-88 MPH, and his change-up was called a "plus" pitch.
2007-02-23 16:01:28
111.   Hythloday
108 - Not blashphemy; you're just missing out. The Shack I go to usually is in Playa del Rey, but they have a few franchises. Their signature burger is a basic cheeseburger with a louisiana sausage on top. It's pure artery clogging goodness.
2007-02-23 16:02:42
112.   Marty
The Shack is in Playa del Rey. I love it. I'm not a big In n Out fan.
2007-02-23 16:09:24
113.   jujibee
101 - One would think that after growing up in Southern California,that In-n-Out Burger couldn't stand up to Tommy's in a million years. Come on Randy!
2007-02-23 16:09:33
114.   trainwreck
BTW Canuck, Conky is now my favorite episode of Trailer Park Boys.
2007-02-23 16:12:39
115.   trainwreck
Just checked ITD and they seem to legitimately hate Greg Brock.
2007-02-23 16:14:53
116.   Greg Brock
115 Seriously, who doesn't? I made my peace with it around age 12.

But man, "You're a mental midget, you're a Giants fan, you're a traitor." I just said that stats reflect value and hits+walks is better than hits.


2007-02-23 16:15:57
117.   Eric Enders
If you're a Giants fan AND a traitor, doesn't that make you a Dodger fan?
2007-02-23 16:18:06
118.   Greg Brock
117 Making sense is not in the equation. It's basically a scorched earth policy on the Sad Panda.

Andrew said that Ned Colletti was born with a tail for Chrissakes.

2007-02-23 16:20:03
119.   trainwreck
The best is when one poster starts saying how sad you must be we stole Jason Schmidt from you.
2007-02-23 16:20:19
120.   Bumsrap
Elbert, Miller, Kuo, Wolf, Kershaw

Now that would be be an interesting rotation.

2007-02-23 16:20:20
121.   CanuckDodger
114 -- The Trailer Park Boys feature film that was shown in Canadian theaters last fall came out on DVD on Tuesday. You might want to order that from Canada, from Amazon.COM might not have the DVD yet.
2007-02-23 16:20:21
122.   Marty
But, but, you post way too late at night? No one blogs at that hour clown!
2007-02-23 16:20:22
123.   Icaros
Andrew said that Ned Colletti was born with a tail for Chrissakes.

Don't we all have them as embryos, along with gills?

2007-02-23 16:21:12
124.   Marty
This is my favorite quote of all time:

its not about being a blind fan, its called rooting for your squad no matter what

I don't think you can contradict yourself in less words.

2007-02-23 16:22:19
125.   trainwreck
It was also hilarious as they rip on you for speaking negatively about current Dodgers and then they just start bashing Hee Seop Choi for no reason.
2007-02-23 16:23:57
126.   trainwreck
Awesome! Thanks. Is season 6 on DVD in Canada yet?
2007-02-23 16:25:43
127.   CajunDodger
This is the exact reason that I am new to this blog. I read about 40 days of posting before I settled here. Jon's rules keep things civil and the fan IQs here seem to be about 30 points higher than anything I found on Foxsports or Yahoo.

I once had a guy call me a "----ing slut" when I said that Pierre would have looked much better in a Giants uniform than a Dodger one.

2007-02-23 16:25:47
128.   Greg Brock
Somebody told me I was stupid to use walks, because nobody who has 200 hits will ever walk. Apparently, if you walk, you don't get hits. Also, "It's not like we're paying Pierre a ton of money."

{sobs quietly in corner}

2007-02-23 16:27:00
129.   Eric Enders
124 You could do it in two words, if they're "Cecil Fielder."
2007-02-23 16:29:54
130.   CajunDodger
(stunned silence)
2007-02-23 16:40:02
131.   Icaros
Man, it's been a bad couple months for LaDainian Tomlinson.
2007-02-23 16:46:44
132.   CanuckDodger
126 -- I don't think Season 6 will be out on DVD till mid April.
2007-02-23 16:48:38
133.   Greg Brock
As naive is it may be, I do believe that if we stay on message, are not overly negative, and try to engage in meaningful conversations, we might be able to change some minds.

But I also thought that the Star Wars prequels would be brilliant...I'm wrong a lot.

2007-02-23 16:53:47
134.   trainwreck
You are even being helpful to posters by providing them links.

I just want to promote the prospects. I figure getting everyone excited about our prospects is doable and the best way to go.

2007-02-23 16:54:15
135.   Icaros

When you get a chance, head back over to The Griddle thread on the Direct TV deal. I'm interested in your reponse to my last comment.

2007-02-23 17:00:09
136.   bhsportsguy
133 overtly negative I love it.

One thing I love about DT is that people do feel free to express their opinions and yet there is a sense of community.

Whenever, I get down or witness something like a Juan Pierre throwdown, I like to go back here

My only regret was that I could not be here to participate, I was too busy being stunned in person.

2007-02-23 17:00:12
137.   Greg Brock
135 Funny, I was typing my response over at The Griddle when I read 135.
2007-02-23 17:17:56
138.   Greg Brock
136 My only regret was that I could not be here to participate, I was too busy being stunned in person.

I think it's an amazing testament to Dodger Thoughts, The Philosopher King, and the type of great people here that some part of you would have liked to share the 4+1 game at DT instead of being at the game.

Granted, it's probably a very small part. But I still think that's one of the best things that could ever be said about Dodger Thoughts.

2007-02-23 17:25:44
139.   trainwreck
To rehash an old discussion, I will be getting my wisdom teeth pulled next week and I will be awake for the procedure.
2007-02-23 17:32:58
140.   D4P
It was also hilarious as they rip on you for speaking negatively about current Dodgers and then they just start bashing Hee Seop Choi for no reason

And you can bet that, while criticizing Ned makes one a traitor in their eyes, they did not shy away from criticizing Depo's transactions.

2007-02-23 17:34:01
141.   bhsportsguy
138 There were other times when I was at games last year when I thought of everyone on DT and wished I could be participating.

If I could only figure out how to post using my phone. :)

And thanks for actually taking time to look up the link.

I will always remember staying up and watching the replay and commenting with ToyCannon and others until Nomar hit it out.

BTW - Later in those comments, Sam quoted a column by Jon Heyman ( that Soriano would sign for 5 years, 75 million, boy was he off.

2007-02-23 17:36:42
142.   bhsportsguy
139 I always go for the knockout but then you do need someone to drive you home.

140 Bringing up DePodesta on a Dodger board (outside of this one for sure) is like typing L-A-V-I-N on a UCLA board though I don't think you will get many defenders of Steve unless Dickie V or some of his ESPN friends are around.

2007-02-23 17:38:44
143.   Greg Brock
Jon Heyman ( that Soriano would sign for 5 years, 75 million, boy was he off.

I know he's works with the PK, but Jon Heyman is to great baseball writing what Polar Bears are to intramural field hockey. The Unibomber makes more sense.

2007-02-23 17:41:05
144.   Greg Brock
Whoops, Unabomber with an "A", not UnIbomber.

You'd think my extensive pen pal relationship with Ted Kaczynski would eliminate those mistakes.

2007-02-23 17:42:18
145.   Icaros

Literally awake, or drugged-out awake?

I felt like I had been asleep when I got mine pulled, but they said I was actually awake the whole time, and in fact was talking so much that they had to give me even more to shut me up.

I've been told that my anesthetic is nicknamed "hospital heroin." Real heroin is one of the few I never tried, but if it's anything like that stuff, I can almost understand how people kill themselves for it.

On the ride home, I explained to my mom how I wanted to write a book about the experience. I also wanted to go to the mall very badly, right after surgery, for some reason.

2007-02-23 17:46:41
146.   CanuckDodger
139 -- Why not be unconscious? That's the way to go.
2007-02-23 17:56:43
147.   Dagwood

It's not so bad being awake. Usually your dentist will have to put a leg up on your chair to get leverage, but the eight novocaine shots will take care of the discomfort. There's just a tugging sensation and loud cracks with every extracted tooth. I went out for drinks afterward...

2007-02-23 18:07:06
148.   trainwreck
They are going to give me laughing gas, I was totally cool with just taking Novocaine. I also think it will be an interesting experience and I hope I do not say anything horribly stupid or revealing to them.

I do not really want to be all groggy and out of it. Plus they do not bother to do any tests to see if you can even handle the gas and as a person that does not lead the "purest" of lifestyles I worry about some weird effect it could have.

2007-02-23 18:09:28
149.   Icaros

To this day, I sometimes worry about what I might have said to those strangers ripping four teeth out of my skull.

2007-02-23 18:14:47
150.   trainwreck
I think I am just going to apologize to them beforehand.
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2007-02-23 18:20:57
151.   Greg Brock
The foundations for good relations are slowly being built over at ItD.

I do believe there is hope...Until somebody calls me a treacherous Giants fan stathead loser Moneyball worshiping jerk.

2007-02-23 18:25:39
152.   Sam DC
I just read all the comments in the ItD thread and was coming back here to make the same point as 151. I think the discussion is pretty interesting and basically productive. I mean, there's a lot of bull flying around and some folks are not engaged, but others are.

That said, the things people will say to avoid giving ground in an argument. One fellow has come to defending Pierre by saying that players do different things on different teams so he might be better for the Dodgers than the Cubs.

Without endorsing every last bit of snark, I'm pretty impressed with Greg and Andrew and Trainwreck's efforts. Is PatriotAct425 someone I know?

2007-02-23 18:27:11
153.   Sam DC
Nate -- I have Josh's email (I guessed it once when I wanted to send him a note, and he kindly answered me.) If you send me an email I'll send it to you.

sam DOT brodsok AT comcast DOT net

This way he needn't be irked at Jon.

2007-02-23 18:32:02
154.   Vishal
my dentist is my cousin, and fortunately for me he's also very good at what he does. he took out two of my wisdom teeth, using only local anesthetic. he did such a good job that i went home and only experienced minor soreness and zero swelling. i didn't even have to take a single aspirin. if you live in the LA area i can recommend him; he practices in diamond bar :)
2007-02-23 18:45:06
155.   D4P
I'm seeing the Washington Wizards' black and gold? uniforms for the first time. They're horrendous.
2007-02-23 18:50:30
156.   Greg Brock
152 If you can't endorse every bit of snark, then we don't need your support!

I'm kidding...Obviously.

2007-02-23 19:34:34
157.   Steve
115 - I knew Greg Brock was the Chosen One that would unite the blogosphere as one voice.
2007-02-23 19:42:43
158.   Greg Brock
My parents often told me that my existence would bring the world together.

Unfortunately, it brought the world together to despise my existence. Still, it's unity...And that's all that matters.

2007-02-23 19:46:34
159.   Steve
Unity is overrated.
2007-02-23 19:48:16
160.   bhsportsguy
158 Maybe if you come back, you can bring the Original Pancake House and Uncle Bills together and have just one voice for pancakes in the South Bay.
2007-02-23 19:48:59
161.   Andrew Shimmin
Are you people still up? What's the matter with you? There'll be time for blogging tomorrow; go to bed!
2007-02-23 19:50:52
162.   bhsportsguy
By the way, the Lakers had their version of a Joe Beimel, Vlad man admitted that he did not slip on ice, he fell while snow boarding, a forbidden activity (unlike just breaking curfew and drinking after hours) per his contract. No word yet on what the Lakers will do but once I would like to see someone try to hold that clause of the contract and test it by terminating it.
2007-02-23 19:52:09
163.   bhsportsguy
161 Are you talking to me, you must be I'm the only one here.

Actually I am in parts unknown but in So. Cal. so I am in lovely Pacific Standard Time.

2007-02-23 19:54:27
164.   Greg Brock
160 You're just taunting me now. The Original Pancake House, Uncle Bills. Next, you're going to bring up Marineland, Fatburger, and Christmas lights in Palos Verdes.

Good God. I miss LA.

2007-02-23 19:55:45
165.   Andrew Shimmin
163- Listen: I'm turning off the internet in five minutes, so, just you wrap it up.
2007-02-23 19:58:15
166.   Greg Brock
bhsportsguy is going to bring up the sauce sandwiches at Mickey's Liquor in Hermosa Beach, pitch and putt at Sea Air, and fish and chips on the pier in Redondo Beach.

I get it. I miss home. Quit tormenting me!

2007-02-23 20:09:16
167.   Brendan
I think Kobe might be upset with the Lakers 6 game losing streak. 1st Q just ended and he has 22 points on 9-12 shooting and 4-5 from 3 point line.
2007-02-23 20:09:25
168.   El Lay Dave
166 Today I fully enjoyed my clear-day-after-the-storm 9th floor view in El Segundo, looking ENE across Downtown toward the San Gabriels beyond. It was beyootifull today.
2007-02-23 20:10:39
169.   LAT
5 Star movie on AMC

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

2007-02-23 20:15:50
170.   Greg Brock
168 El Segundo's High School field is a joke. I hit a home run at Rec Park in high school...That's how sad it is. Gundo has a legendary coach, a great baseball legacy, and one of the most ridiculous hitter's parks in history.
2007-02-23 20:20:58
171.   El Lay Dave
170 LOL - In my mind only I typed, "9th floor office view". Would you have posted about ESHS in that case? (I don't live in the South Bay, sir, I just work here.) But I have seen the field - and it is small. My HS played on an adjacent park field with no fence except the park border in right - gappers could roll forever!
2007-02-23 20:23:07
172.   Marty
169 I can eat 50 eggs.
2007-02-23 20:27:32
173.   Greg Brock
171 I have seen the field, and it is small

Well, I've played on the field, and it is beyond "tiny". In that league, Rec Park is 280' to center field. Torrance Park is 390' to center field. Not that I'm complaining. Rec Park gave me a prep home run.

2007-02-23 20:30:12
174.   El Lay Dave
169 Sometimes I wished people was like dogs...
2007-02-23 20:53:36
175.   Brendan

From the "I'm a Jinx" File: Kobe had 22 at the end of 1 and 25 total by half time.

2007-02-23 20:54:49
176.   Bob Timmermann
But in which movie was one of the principal characters the baseball coach at El Segundo High?
2007-02-23 20:54:59
177.   Andrew Shimmin
No. There is an elephant in the way:

2007-02-23 21:03:07
178.   D4P
Speaking of movies, I saw my first career "Lifetime" movie this evening. My wife and I watched "Why I Wore Lipstick to My Mastectomy," starring Sarah Chalke of "Scrubs" fame.

With my mother currently in remission, the issue of breast cancer has become one of personal salience in recent years. I thought Sarah was very good, and it was nice to see her play someone other than Elliot, who has become annoying to me.

I will also say that Sarah Chalke is quite an attractive woman, even more so when she's not annoying. If, for some unforeseen reason, you're ever forced to watch a Lifetime movie, this one would probably be a good choice.

2007-02-23 21:19:39
179.   Marty
I don't care if it rains or freezes

as long as I got a plastic jesus

sitting on the dashboard of my car

comes in colors pink and pleasant

glows in the dark cause its iridescent

take it with you when you travel far.

2007-02-23 21:32:33
180.   bhsportsguy
176 Rock 'n' Roll High School
But I cheated and used IMDB to search for films and tv series that filmed there.
2007-02-23 21:34:44
181.   Xeifrank
Colin Cowheard was ripping on blogs and blog authors this morning on his sports talk show (does he really talk about sports?). Anyways, the whole rant started because a golfer has a lawsuit against Wikipedia for posting false information about him. Then Cowheard went off on bloggers and how anyone can have a blog, but his job takes skill and writing in the MSM takes skill. He really ripped on Wikipedia also.
vr, Xei
2007-02-23 21:36:35
182.   Bob Timmermann
Not the answer I'm looking for.

In this film, the character is the El Segundo High baseball coach. Not just in a movie filmed there.

Perhaps "principal" was stretching it a bit, but it was an important character.

2007-02-23 21:38:37
183.   Steve
Three paragraphs?
2007-02-23 21:41:58
184.   Greg Brock
To quote the great Joni Mitchell:

I've looked at stats from both sides now,
From OPS, and EQA,
It's life's illusion, I recall.

You really don't know stats, at all...

2007-02-23 21:48:39
185.   El Lay Dave
Fred Sanford: Smells more like "A Night in El Segundo".
2007-02-23 21:53:06
186.   Greg Brock
But now old friends are acting strange
They want to tell me Pierre is game..
Well somthing's lost, and somthing' gained,
Pierre got in the way.

I look at life from both sides now
From give an take, from here and now...

It's life's illusion, I recall, i really don't want Juan, at all...

2007-02-23 21:58:04
187.   El Lay Dave
181 Cowherd is generally a moron, but he does have the job, and the rest of us don't.

I don't like citing Wikipedia as a source, but it is a useful starting point to get a general idea of the subject, then find real sources. There's lots of false stuff amongst the entries, methinks.

2007-02-23 22:05:23
188.   Steve
On the whole wikipedia is a much better source of information than Colin Cowherd, because it is tautological that all positive numbers are larger than zero.
2007-02-23 22:35:32
189.   Andrew Shimmin
See what happens when the internet doesn't get shut off at eight, like I wanted? Brock starts crooning Joni Mitchell songs, and D4P sings the praises of a Lifetime movie. Pretty soon you people are going to be discussing which shampoo you like best.
2007-02-23 22:38:25
190.   das411
This one is for GB:

189 - Shampoo is better! I go on first and clean the hair...

2007-02-24 00:47:10
191.   El Lay Dave
182 Guessing from a vague memory, but does it explain my sudden craving for Border Grill's culinary delights?
2007-02-24 01:35:14
192.   Yu-Hsing Chen
The problem with pitching is simply that there's stuff and then their refinement, there are just as many pitcher with great stuff that never figures it all out (Chin Hui Tsao is currently a good example of this, as is Brad Penny to some extend.) and then there are guys with average / below average stuff but keeps it together and makes a solid career out of it (Jamie Moyer anyone?)

On the prospect level, obviously you want stuff ahead of refinement, but on the major league level, you need the combinaion of both, and in truth, refinement may be more important at least in the short run, a guy that's going to give you 200 unspectacular but ok innings is certainly more useful than a guy that throws a perfect game and strikse out over 10 per 9 but ends up with a ERA over 5 and a 5-12 record... at least for this season.

Still though, i hope Kuo and Billingsly do well and can harness the flash of brilliance they showed last year to their full extend, that would be awsome.

2007-02-24 04:32:19
193.   old dodger fan
Tuesday they announce HOF Veteran's Committee selections. Here's rooting for Gil Hodges.
2007-02-24 04:37:13
194.   old dodger fan
From the Dodgers website: "Little said he won't decide whether to carry 11 or 12 pitchers until late in Spring Training. If he opens with 11 pitchers because of days off in April, chances are there would be room for either Chad Billingsley or Hong-Chih Kuo (but not both) and only one from this trio: James Loney, Matt Kemp and La Roche.

If they start with 12 pitchers, conceivably all three of those top position prospects would return to Triple-A, even though Loney led all Triple-A with a .380 batting average last year."

2007-02-24 07:32:13
195.   Gen3Blue
Good Morning. Where can I find a ball players minor league stats, once he's been in the Majors a few years. I was looking at Betemit, and all the sites seem to drop minor league stats quickly.I'd appreciate any help.
2007-02-24 08:13:02
196.   Bob Timmermann
2007-02-24 08:14:14
197.   Bob Timmermann
The answer to the question I posed that few people cared about was:

Paul Rodriguez played the coach of the El Segundo High Baseball Team in the film "Tortilla Soup."

2007-02-24 09:22:17
198.   D4P
What's with the silly little tan-colored strip on the sides of the Dodger hats this year...?
2007-02-24 09:59:34
199.   Greg Brock
It turns out NASA has a detailed set of written procedures for dealing with a suicidal or psychotic astronaut in space. The documents, obtained this week by The Associated Press, say the astronaut's crewmates should bind his wrists and ankles with duct tape, tie him down with a bungee cord and inject him with tranquilizers if necessary.


2007-02-24 10:35:25
200.   D4P
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2007-02-24 10:51:47
201.   natepurcell
i want baseball news!
2007-02-24 10:52:49
202.   natepurcell
I want the dodgers to video tape bullpen sessions of miller, elbert, meloan, kershaw, and billingsley and post them online.
2007-02-24 10:54:44
203.   Greg Brock
202 That would be awesome. I wish the Dodgers had a Dodger channel that showed all that stuff. Intersquad games, bullpen sessions...
2007-02-24 11:05:02
204.   Strike4
199 Then: Take your protein pills and put your helmet on. Now: Take your tranquilizers and put your duct tape on.
2007-02-24 11:09:26
205.   Icaros
They could also show the clubhouse poker games.
2007-02-24 13:03:37
206.   Bumsrap
I wonder what is happening in the gift shop.
2007-02-24 16:04:32
207.   Dodgers49
198 -What's with the silly little tan-colored strip on the sides of the Dodger hats this year...?

From Sports Illustrated's story about Dodgertown (Blue Skies Everywhere - Feb. 26, 2007):

Wolf, who grew up as a Dodgers fan in the L.A. area, slipped into the storied blue batting-practice uniform for the first time last Saturday. This being the era of commercialism, however, the duds had been tweaked by baseball's marketing gurus to spark new sales, with swatches of silver on the flanks of the jersey and on the sides of the cap.

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