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Not a 49er
2007-03-03 07:23
by Jon Weisman

Via Rich Lederer at Baseball Analysts, Retrosheet creator Dave Smith sets the record straight on the claim that Clem Labine retired Stan Musial 49 times in a row. In his career, Musial was 10 for 42 with six walks against Labine. Not bad for Labine, but not the unbelievable figure set forth Friday.

Comments (127)
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2007-03-03 07:54:09
1.   Bob Timmermann
Clem Labine was a very good major league pitcher. He didn't need the truth stretched for us to know that.
2007-03-03 08:10:36
2.   twerp
Would like to know if there's any truth to a Koufax rumor from a few years back==

Supposedly he took the mound during spring training, just to see what he could do without hurting himself, and was clocked in the 90s a few times?

However unlikely this may be, I think it supposedly happened within about the past 10 years. That would mean he probably was in his 60s, which if true would be one more amazing thing about him...

2007-03-03 08:18:01
3.   Greg Brock
Baseball, more so than any other sport, lends itself to apocrypha. Whether this is generally good or bad, I have no idea.
2007-03-03 08:20:55
4.   Bob Timmermann
I would think it would take a lot of warmup tosses for even a young hard thrower like Broxton to get to 90 on the gun.

What was the speed of coachjpark's "first" pitch at a game? Didn't he get to 80? And he pitched in college. And is young. And he had warmed up.

2007-03-03 08:52:40
5.   Andrew Shimmin
Last time I checked, ESPN didn't have any sort of baseball scheduled for April. Now they have one up, but with a two week baseball embargo from the 6th to the 21st. So, if they really won't show any games during that stretch, the Dodgers ST games didn't make the cut. But, the Yankees and Red Sox will appear three times each, so it's not a total loss; everybody likes the Yankees and Red Sox, right?
2007-03-03 08:57:35
6.   Andrew Shimmin
The Angels vs. the Rockies is on FSNW tonight, though. 7p.m. start; does that mean it's tape delayed?
2007-03-03 09:10:10
7.   twerp
4 Warming up a lot would have been a given, if "warming up"--or even throwing a pitch--would have been possible given Koufax's shoulder.

One thing I wondered on hearing this was if maybe he has thrown batting practice at VB sometimes and goofed around, and the story of that built and built the way anything can when it's not repeated exactly, the way most things aren't.

It wouldn't have taken a lot for "I bet, if he wanted to, Koufax could still hit 90" to get to "yeah, he hit the 90s in spring training. The legend's still got it. Bet he could still get guys out except for that shoulder," etc.

Maybe even mention on DT will get something like that started. Hope not.

But still. Koufax is Koufax. So, despite knowing how extremely unlikely this might be, you're tempted to think "if anyone could at his age, it'd be him, shoulder or no."

Or at least I was. I guess file it under fanciful thinking, which is sometimes a trait of twerps.

2007-03-03 09:33:33
8.   Bob Timmermann
Again I ask:

Is a dream a lie that don't come true, or is it something worse?

2007-03-03 10:06:54
9.   Sam DC
Don Sutton's debut broadcast for the Nationals starts right now (on MASN in DC, probably on XM, v. the Orioles).
2007-03-03 10:07:32
10.   Disabled List
Woohoo! Dodgers-Mets is on TV here in NYC, and so is UCLA-Washington.

My Saturday afternoon schedule just got booked!

2007-03-03 10:10:45
11.   D4P
The Mets' lineup is pretty star-studded, at least on paper:

Lo Duca

2007-03-03 10:18:37
12.   mankatododger
Just wondering who already has single game tickets for any games lined up. Just got mine for LA/SD in SD in June and for Twins/Blue Jays in late June.
2007-03-03 10:22:56
13.   gpellamjr
Does anybody know how to access the games in the higher quality premium package? I've bought the premium package and yet when I open the games, they come through in the same grainy quality as last year. I'm on a PC.
2007-03-03 10:29:06
14.   berkowit28
13 It may be that Spring Training broadcasts are only available in basic MLB.TV - there was onl one option. I have the same of you, though on a Mac. It's not too bad, but not the quality of the Premium demo. If I have the patience, I'll phone them up and wait 90 minutes to ask. They shouldn't be charging us the extra without the extra quality. Or, who knows, maybe this is it - regular could be worse. I'll let you know what they tell me.
2007-03-03 10:30:26
15.   D4P
Steinday have been saying over and over that this promises to be a "big year" for the Dodgers and that this is one of the deepest teams they've had in a long time.
2007-03-03 10:31:16
16.   Disabled List
I'm glad the Dodgers don't do the alternate "warmup" jersey thing during the regular season. It's fine for spring training, but those things are ugly.
2007-03-03 10:34:08
17.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I know it's early in ST, but Penny's (lack of) control is annoying
2007-03-03 10:35:11
18.   natepurcell
laroche and loney both had good first ABs
2007-03-03 10:38:34
19.   berkowit28
14 Actually, it's not bad at all. I just compared it to the Demo, and it's comparable. I wouldn't call it "grainy" here. It varies with the focus - the foreground (the players) are pretty good, the background (stands) somewhat blurry. Good enough for me. I'll ask anyway, just to make sure.
2007-03-03 10:39:36
20.   CanuckDodger
Can somebody give half-inning by half-inning updates, like Landonkk was doing for the last two games? Who's pitching, what each batter did, with the score is at the end of the half inning -- that sort of thing?
2007-03-03 10:40:23
21.   Sam DC
Joel Hanrahan pitching in Viera. Don Sutton says he has a good arm.
2007-03-03 10:42:57
22.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I'll try, basically, Penny isn't thowing many strikes , he's going deep into the count on almost everyone so far with 2 walks and a HBP already in 2 IP.. eek

Pelfry looking decent, not much speed (not strange at this stage, but wasn't this guy suppose to throw REALLY hard? i would expect him to be a little more than the 89-90 he is going at right now)but only one hit, though no strikes either

2007-03-03 10:47:36
23.   natepurcell
abreu goes deep into the count. should have drawn a walk but grounds out on a 3-2 pitch to wright.
2007-03-03 10:49:03
24.   D4P
I'm becoming increasingly comfortable with the idea of trading Penny. He's just not the same pitcher as he was in the first half of last season, and his comments the other day about being afraid to throw breaking balls weren't very encouraging.
2007-03-03 10:49:21
25.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Kuo takes over, this should be fun.
2007-03-03 10:49:50
26.   natepurcell

besides the wildness, he didnt look that bad today. He threw a couple nice curveballs that had good bite to it and he looked a lot leaner then last year.

2007-03-03 10:51:08
27.   Greg Brock
Small big heart grit sighting at The Griddle.
2007-03-03 10:52:06
28.   natepurcell

it was afraid to throw splitters, not breaking balls.

2007-03-03 10:52:26
29.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Kuo goes 2 strike no ball on Lo Duca... then the infield commits a error.
2007-03-03 10:52:26
30.   Sam DC
Hanrahan bases loaded 1 out. A WP, a few hits, a couple walks.

Not really nailing down a rotation slot here.

2007-03-03 10:53:33
31.   Sam DC
Gah, walks in a run.
2007-03-03 10:54:24
32.   Sam DC
Sutton: "You can defense line drives, and ground balls and fly balls, but you can't defense base on balls."
2007-03-03 10:54:37
33.   natepurcell
kuo looks awesome.
2007-03-03 10:56:43
34.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Hopefully Kuo can win a spot... he certainly deserve it more than Hendrickson... hell i would take Tsao or just about anyone else over Hendrickson right now.
2007-03-03 10:57:53
35.   natepurcell

i would take tsao over alot of middle relievers.

2007-03-03 10:59:07
36.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Beltrane flies out to deep right ,Kou was ahead on the count, then walks Delgado on a close pitch, the velocity isn't quiet there yet (89) but he's throwing solid pitches around the plate, good sign.
2007-03-03 10:59:49
37.   natepurcell

even though his velocity was around 89-92, it sure looked alot faster then pelfrey's velocity.

2007-03-03 11:02:28
38.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Martin makes a exellent pickoff on Delgado for the second out, Wright flies out to left.. but Delwyn Young almost droped it... eeek.

Kou's fastest pitch was 92, pretty good for the first time around. didn't throw anything right over the plate or anything very wild, nice start.

2007-03-03 11:03:40
39.   Greg Brock
I wonder how much time Kuo took to warm up in the bullpen. Also, did he pitch exclusively from the stretch?
2007-03-03 11:05:08
40.   natepurcell

he doesnt know any other way :)

2007-03-03 11:06:05
41.   CanuckDodger
What's the score? Are they at the end of the third inning?
2007-03-03 11:06:53
42.   D4P
Steiner commented that, unlike last season, Kuo is now pitching from the windup
2007-03-03 11:08:20
43.   Greg Brock
42 Outstanding
2007-03-03 11:13:23
44.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently the Huskies lockdown defense is giving UCLA trouble in the early going.
2007-03-03 11:14:22
45.   trainwreck
But without Penny, who's dating life will we talk about?
2007-03-03 11:14:23
46.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not gameday, and they don't have the play by play summaries, but is keeping a running box score on the game.

2007-03-03 11:14:39
47.   Steve
Somebody should tell UCLA that the point is to put the round thing in their hands into the other round thing above their heads.
2007-03-03 11:15:40
48.   Greg Brock
A UCLA victory entails nobody getting hurt.
2007-03-03 11:16:40
49.   Yu-Hsing Chen
45 the Yankees are willing to trade you Carl Pavano for any living human being :P the only Yankee that might have more dating than him is Jeter!!
2007-03-03 11:19:05
50.   Bob Timmermann
6:05 in to the game and UCLA scores a basket!
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2007-03-03 11:19:42
51.   Steve
A UCLA victory entails nobody getting hurt.

I thought Steve Lavin was gone.

2007-03-03 11:20:37
52.   Bob Timmermann
Remember Washington is "The team nobody wants to face in the Pac-10 tournament."

That is the traditional tag given to an underachieving team.

2007-03-03 11:21:07
53.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Kou threw two innings, he got two quick outs Chien Ming Wang style (2 quick ground outs) then walked a guy on full count then got a single hit and then got the 3rd out in the air.

Seems like so far Kou is taking an early lead in the 5th starter derby, while Mark Hendrickson crashed and burned on takeoff.

2007-03-03 11:22:27
54.   Greg Brock
You can tell how important this game is. We have a Ryan Wright sighting.
2007-03-03 11:24:21
55.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wagners comes in for the Mets, Laroche flies out, Kemp pops out , Wagner is only throwing upper 80s to 92ish or so, (in the other words, around the same as Kuo, their motions are kinda similar too...)
2007-03-03 11:24:40
56.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Young strikes out.
2007-03-03 11:25:49
57.   old dodger fan says score is 0-0 in the 5th. Both teams have 2 hits.
2007-03-03 11:26:52
58.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I forget to meantion, Young strikes out... swinging... on all 3 pitch.... ouch
2007-03-03 11:27:31
59.   Bob Timmermann
Ryan Wright is playing because Aboya's knee is sore.
2007-03-03 11:27:50
60.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Yeah but the Dodgers walked 3 and hit a guy too and had a error, the Mets havn't given up a free pass yet
2007-03-03 11:28:31
61.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Sandy Martinez zubs for Martin, Stults for Kuo
2007-03-03 11:29:32
62.   Andrew Shimmin
Haven't they walked five? Three for Penny, two for Kuo?
2007-03-03 11:34:38
63.   Yu-Hsing Chen
62 my bad, your right, Penny also hit a guy.

Stults gets Lo Duca on a RF fly and Beltran on a strike out, then walks Delgado and gives up a single to Wright.

2007-03-03 11:34:54
64.   Andrew Shimmin
La Roche makes his second error of the game. He should probably start the season back in Jacksonville. Until such time as he can be sent to Tampa Bay.
2007-03-03 11:35:58
65.   D4P
Issuing free passes in ST is inexcusable
2007-03-03 11:36:40
66.   Andrew Shimmin
65- If by inexcusable you mean, "I don't care," then I agree with you.
2007-03-03 11:36:56
67.   Bob Timmermann
Ben Howland doesn't want to fly back from Seattle with any timeouts left.
2007-03-03 11:38:21
68.   Yu-Hsing Chen
64 for Edwin Jackson!!
2007-03-03 11:39:18
69.   trainwreck
Lorenzo Rick Barry Mata
2007-03-03 11:39:54
70.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Stults got out of the bases loaded jam thx to the corpse of Shawn Green.
2007-03-03 11:40:25
71.   trainwreck
I swear Appleby can only play against UCLA.
2007-03-03 11:40:43
72.   D4P
66- If by I don't care you mean, "Pitchers might as well throw strikes: what are they afraid of," then I agree with you.
2007-03-03 11:41:25
73.   Greg Brock
Wow, the Huskies fans are really pissing and moaning over every little play. They sound like Yankees fans on balls and strikes.
2007-03-03 11:41:35
74.   Andrew Shimmin
68- You're thinking small, my friend. Dare to dream of Dustan Mohr. Or Raul Cassanova!
2007-03-03 11:45:11
75.   Andrew Shimmin
72- Isn't it just the opposite? Shouldn't they not be afraid to try and hit corners, since it doesn't matter at all if they walk somebody? I assume that their control is off, not that they're getting clever.
2007-03-03 11:49:22
76.   Bob Timmermann
Would Washington fans storm the court if they were to win today?

I'm saying they would, although it would not be a Timmermann-approved storming.

If Washington State had defeated UCLA Thursday, that would have received a thumbs up from me.

2007-03-03 11:49:45
77.   Bob Timmermann
A thumbs up in the court storming department that is.
2007-03-03 11:49:47
78.   Andrew Shimmin
Anybody know if Tony Schrager is in somebody's camp? He's not on the Marlin's roster, or NRI lists, but he was probably a minor league FA at the end of the year. It doesn't really matter, but I remember who great he was in ST 2005.

Kemp makes what Steiner describes as a "terrific play." Except he reverses himself and says it was Choo Freeman. Rats.

2007-03-03 11:51:46
79.   Andrew Shimmin
76- You keep ignoring your own rule about unranked teams knocking of top ten teams. I don't know why you even bother having rules abot court storming if you just ignore them whenever you feel like it.

It's like if I started rooting for Notre Dame against University of Washington, or Florida State against Michigan.

2007-03-03 11:53:28
80.   berkowit28
I got through to MLB.TV. Your judgment was correct" it's regular MLB.TV, not Premium, during ST.

When I told them they shouldn't be selling Premium @ $19.95 this month if they're not actually selling it, they wouldn't refund me $5 but said they'd refund the whole thing. I suppose that means I'll lose access and will then have to buy the $14.95 package. Maybe not worth the fuss if you plan to get Premium for the whole season. I'm going to be canceling at the end of ST anyway since Dodgers get blacked out during regular season and I don't really need the rest of it.

2007-03-03 11:53:30
81.   Greg Brock
It wouldn't be an approved court storming because everybody knows that UCLA really doesn't care about this game. I don't know anybody who does.

Just nobody get hurt.

2007-03-03 11:54:04
82.   Greg Brock
80 Whoa. We got a lot of work to do on this thread.
2007-03-03 11:57:13
83.   Bob Timmermann
A Washington State win over UCLA would have fallen under the rule of knocking off a Top 5 team and also beating a longtime rival that has traditionally dominated you.

All Washington will get out of this game is ... the right to play Arizona State Wednesday night. And if they lose, they'll still play Arizona State Wednesday night.

2007-03-03 11:59:39
84.   Andrew Shimmin
So, it's like the DSM; you need at least two of the however many rules you set down to win approval? I missed that.
2007-03-03 12:00:24
85.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Hu's at short!!!!! (if he makes it to the big league this punchline will get realllll old heh)

Reyes crush one out against Stults, 1:0 Mets

2007-03-03 12:03:41
86.   Andrew Shimmin
You can't stop Larry Bigbie. You can only hope to contain him.
2007-03-03 12:07:01
87.   bhsportsguy
80 If we all post every 5 minutes how long would it take to get to 1320?
2007-03-03 12:09:56
88.   Bob Timmermann
The 13 and 19 are separate links.
2007-03-03 12:10:44
89.   Yu-Hsing Chen
ouch, Hu grounds into DP, the Dodgers tied it at one though.
2007-03-03 12:11:20
90.   mankatododger
Does KFWB run the "save your house from earthquakes" ad every inning or is it just my imagination?
2007-03-03 12:17:40
91.   Andrew Shimmin
I hadn't really thought about it, but does baseball season mean we're going to start seeing that cow-molesting milk shake commercial, again?
2007-03-03 12:17:44
92.   berkowit28
82 87
Checking to see if I can reference two posts. I've done it from Safari. But I'm on a different browser (Firefox Mac) today.

I just checked (using Preview). On Firefox, I need to insert a space between the inner brackets, or they get ignored. I'm pretty sure that wasn't necessary in Safari. I didn't actually omit them last time - just the obligatory space.

2007-03-03 12:22:23
93.   trainwreck
I care about this game, just because beating Washington can help with our recruitment of Jrue Holliday.
2007-03-03 12:24:54
94.   Bob Timmermann
Jrue's family needs a lesson in phonology.
2007-03-03 12:25:13
95.   Greg Brock
93 I very highly doubt that.
2007-03-03 12:27:44
96.   Bob Timmermann
I also don't think UCLA will win too many games if Afflalo and Collison combine for a Starkesian 3-18 from the floor.
2007-03-03 12:27:51
97.   Greg Brock
This announce team is very excited. I get the theater of it all, but sheesh. Four foot hook shots are not that uncommon.
2007-03-03 12:35:06
98.   Steve
For those of you bored with the ugly, pathetic PAC-10 rugby scrum being broadcast nationally across what used to be this great nation, VMI and Winthrop are killing each other and babies are being thrown from the top deck on ESPN.
2007-03-03 12:38:15
99.   Bob Timmermann
Are they cute babies?
2007-03-03 12:39:23
100.   trainwreck
Can't hurt.

I hate Ryan Appleby.

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2007-03-03 12:41:28
101.   Bob Timmermann
So trainwreck reveals himself to be ... Aaron Brooks.
2007-03-03 12:42:03
102.   Steve
They were cuter before they landed.
2007-03-03 12:43:04
103.   berkowit28
Hu's on first. (Sorry ;-))
2007-03-03 12:43:40
104.   Jon Weisman
Scoring update:

Arizona 0, Stanford 0, 20:00 first half

2007-03-03 12:44:18
105.   returnoffernandomania
Mets falling apart.........revenge? Not Really.
2007-03-03 12:46:28
106.   Greg Brock
Okay, we need to settle on one thread here, folks.
2007-03-03 12:47:29
107.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps the Allstate agent should sit by one thread while Jon figures out which one we should use?
2007-03-03 12:47:33
108.   trainwreck
Shipp trying on D?

I have seen everything now.

2007-03-03 12:50:07
109.   berkowit28
106 Isn't this Dodger Thoughts? You're not suggesting comments on a Dodgers game are out of place, are you, because some other thread usurped it?

I like all the OT comments here. Why settle down on one thread? Since when was that ever necessary here?

2007-03-03 12:50:13
110.   Jon Weisman
Poor LAT, is all I can say.
2007-03-03 12:50:41
111.   Bob Timmermann
We want to gather all of our OT comments in to one common gumbo pot of a thread I think.
2007-03-03 12:52:32
112.   Greg Brock
109 I just felt bad for the kids upstairs who didn't know we were here!

But what Jon said makes it kind of funny.

2007-03-03 12:52:35
113.   berkowit28

Ah, OK. I had no idea there was a "new thread up top" since it was not announced this time.

2007-03-03 12:56:47
114.   trainwreck
Thanks for that Shipp.
2007-03-03 12:58:58
115.   Greg Brock
Is Washington really this excited about this game?


2007-03-03 13:04:19
116.   Bob Timmermann
This will be the biggest win in Huskies history!

Actually, it won't be.

Washington beat UCLA in John Wooden's last Pac-10 game he coached.

2007-03-03 13:06:02
117.   Greg Brock
Donde esta court storming?
2007-03-03 13:07:51
118.   Daniel B
115 The #2 team in the Nation shouldn't lose to an unranked team, even if they don't care.

Goodbye overall #1. With a poor tournement showing, goodbye #1 seed period.

2007-03-03 13:09:26
119.   trainwreck
They still have #1 RPI and the selection committee really pays attention to RPI.
2007-03-03 13:09:52
120.   Greg Brock
118 Um...If you say so. Number one RPI, number 5 strength of schedule, and 9-1 against the top 25. None of that changes today.

They've already locked up #1 out West, and that's all that matters.

2007-03-03 13:11:19
121.   trainwreck
Getting #1 overall is a big deal because I would love to have Memphis as the 2 seed in our bracket.
2007-03-03 13:12:39
122.   bhsportsguy
118 So Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, who all lost to unranked teams in the last few weeks should not be a No. 1 seed?

They probably need to win 2 games next week to secure the overall no. 1 but there No. 1 West seed is pretty secure because nobody was winning conference games on the road at the end of the season.

2007-03-03 13:14:39
123.   bhsportsguy
Arizona trying to get that matchup with Oregon
2007-03-03 13:25:08
124.   Jon Weisman
New new unifying threaad up top.
2007-03-03 13:25:26
125.   Greg Brock
So, if this holds, the Cardinal will play Southern Cal, no?
2007-03-03 13:25:44
126.   Greg Brock
124 Sure, now you tell me.
2007-03-03 13:46:08
127.   Steve
121 -- So, is the idea that UCLA gets to play in an embarrassingly bad bracket every year now?

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