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A Rose by Any Other Name Is a Weed
2007-03-04 07:22
by Jon Weisman

From Tony Jackson in the Daily News:

But La Roche's finest moment came in the ninth inning. The Dodgers trailed 2-1 with runners on second and third with none out after a double by Fernando Tatis. For a young player pining to make a season-opening roster, this would have been the perfect situation to try to impress, to swing hard at everything in hopes of getting the big hit that would turn that one-run deficit into a one-run lead.

But instead of getting overeager and chasing pitches out of his zone, La Roche patiently worked Adkins for a walk to load the bases, and ultimately he came around to score what would have been an important run if this were an important game. And that is the sort of thing general managers and managers tend to notice.

Change the protagonist, and the story goes from coward to hero.

Comments (321)
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2007-03-04 07:38:30
1.   Gen3Blue
I admit I was pissed when J.D. Drew did the same a few times last year. Maybe that is a bit unfair. Of course Drew was the best RBI man we had. I would love to say the same of La Roche some day.
2007-03-04 07:43:02
2.   Icaros
There was a sense as recently as 48 hours ago, after Betemit went hitless in his first four spring at-bats and committed two errors in his first game, that the job was La Roche's for the taking.

Okay, I don't have a problem with La Roche getting a real shot to win the job this spring, and clearly third-base is his property for the next ten years if he wants it, but are they really putting that much stock in Betemit's first four lousy, meaningless, spring at-bats?

I kind of hope this "sense" is Tony Jackson's more than Collittle's.

2007-03-04 07:59:10
3.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 2

I really do think this is just a reporter getting ahead of himself, especially when there really isn't that much real "news" at this point in ST.

Word also was that Colletti was irritated at LaRoche last ST, so seeing him catapulting that far ahead is premature to say the least. Heck, remember how quickly the talk of him playing the OF died?


2007-03-04 08:14:57
4.   Rich Lederer
Change the protagonist, and the story goes from coward to hero.

Great point, Jon.

2007-03-04 08:21:50
5.   Xeifrank
4. Yes, great point Jon made... but keep in mind this is the LA Times we are talking about. Kind of like debating a four year old.
vr, Xei
2007-03-04 08:23:49
6.   Xeifrank
Guo and Billinsgley have jumped out to early leads in the 5th starter battle. Houlton and Mays still to come. vr, Xei
2007-03-04 08:25:06
7.   Xeifrank
5. I stand corrected, it's not the LA Times. Then it's more like debating a 13 year old. :) Darn, I knew somewhere in there, there was an LA Times joke.
vr, Xei
2007-03-04 08:40:22
8.   Icaros
There's an LA Times joke in all of us, especially Marty.
2007-03-04 08:51:53
9.   D4P
This from "Sarah's Take":

The popularity of "Moneyball" has lessened the emphasis on having good defense. Though the book has some good ideas, putting less importance on defense was not one.

2007-03-04 08:57:18
10.   Xeifrank
9. I don't think it would be fair to respond to that.
vr, Xei
2007-03-04 08:59:00
11.   Icaros
D4P: Intertubes Bully.
2007-03-04 09:00:53
12.   D4P

(Make sure speakers are on)

2007-03-04 09:07:05
13.   Icaros

I slipped and fell right before listening to that for better effect.

2007-03-04 09:13:10
14.   Icaros
DT UCLA Contingent:

Should I be pleased that the Rams signed Drew Bennett?

2007-03-04 09:13:38
15.   Jon Weisman
Sarah's statement was inaccurate. No reason it can't be confronted.
2007-03-04 09:23:13
16.   Bob Timmermann

I think Drew Bennett, who never got to play QB because of Cade McNown, can use the sound in 12 anytime he speaks to McNown.

2007-03-04 09:24:20
17.   natepurcell

i dont understand why they didnt just re-sign kevin curtis.

2007-03-04 09:33:09
18.   Bob Timmermann
I have not seen the woman on my staff on TV in the marathon.

I think she said she wearing a t-shirt and shorts. I'll keep an eye out for someone matching that description.

The leaders are on a 2:09 pace.

2007-03-04 09:34:25
19.   Icaros

I really like Curtis, but they seemed to think Curtis was bolting anyway (he probably wants to start somewhere). Bennett is also a lot bigger than the rest of the Rams receivers, which could help with their red-zone struggles.

2007-03-04 09:38:56
20.   D4P
When I went to the Rose Bowl in 95, I told my family I'd be the one in the green shirt

Has a team ever struggled as mightily in the red-zone as the Rams have over the past 5 years or so? I've never seen anything like it. Between the 20s, they've been incredible. But once in the red-zone, it's all field goals.

2007-03-04 09:45:06
21.   Bob Timmermann
You got your money's worth at the 1995 Rose Bowl. That game took about 4 1/2 hours to play.

"O'Neil drops back to pass..."




2007-03-04 09:45:07
22.   Icaros

I don't know if I'm more infuriated by their red-zone issues or their continued and apparently unending struggles covering kickoffs and punts.

Bennett, at 6-5 206 lbs., is the biggest wide-receiver to play for the Rams since they moved in '95. He's also supposed to be a good run blocker.

2007-03-04 09:52:29
23.   D4P
You got your money's worth at the 1995 Rose Bowl

Actually, I think my mom bought the ticket for me...

unending struggles covering kickoffs and punts

Ridiculous. I thought all the tomfoolery would end once they (finally) canned Martz, but I guess old habits are hard to break.

2007-03-04 09:54:07
24.   still bevens

Picked him up for Juan Pierre, Olmedo and Tomko in the second week in April. Oh video games, you so crazy. Sounds like all those trades we bandy about here with no basis in reality.

2007-03-04 09:55:29
25.   Icaros
Which game do I (hopefully) listen to: Dodgers vs. Braves or Dodgers vs. Nats?
2007-03-04 09:58:40
26.   D4P
Quien es mas macho: Derek Lowe o Brett Tomko?

Quien es mas macho: Sr. Lowe o Senor Tomko...

2007-03-04 10:02:09
27.   Icaros

Okay, definitely avoiding the Tomko start. Braves it is.

2007-03-04 10:02:32
28.   Bob Timmermann
My mom bought my 1984 Rose Bowl ticket to see UCLA play Illinois. I think it set her back about $28.
2007-03-04 10:05:19
29.   D4P
Small world
2007-03-04 10:09:04
30.   returnoffernandomania
What do you all think of our apparent rotation set up with lowe, wolf, schmidt, penny? Granted its ceremonial.
2007-03-04 10:11:35
31.   Icaros
Vs Braves:


2007-03-04 10:17:18
32.   D4P
What's the point of having Lieberthal hit 2nd...?
2007-03-04 10:20:06
33.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers probably want to give Lieberthal an extra at bat before he goes out of the game.
2007-03-04 10:22:04
34.   Bob Timmermann
The rotation order doesn't matter too much to me. It all gets messed up as the season goes on.

I always think there's too much emphasis on naming some guy a "Number 1". I'd rather just not have anyone who is a "Number 5." I'd rather have five 2 1/2s.

2007-03-04 10:25:27
35.   returnoffernandomania
34- I agree, although I'm curious to see how penny will deal with starting the season #4 given his temperment.
2007-03-04 10:26:39
36.   returnoffernandomania
hopefully it lights the right kind of fire under his keester
2007-03-04 10:28:20
37.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, I wanted the Dodgers to have five 2.5s because that means the rotation would go up to 11!
2007-03-04 10:28:49
38.   D4P
To the extent that being higher in the rotation indicates being better, it's strange to think that Wolf has earned the #2 spot. Come to think of it, it's kinda strange to think he's earned any spot in the rotation already.
2007-03-04 10:35:53
39.   Gen3Blue
I don't think order of rotation in this case says much about rank. Wow, this trying to follow two games is too rich an environment. Of course I probably shouldn't be trying to watch "Butterfly Effect"( a known mind twister) and read a book at the same time.
2007-03-04 10:37:30
40.   returnoffernandomania
38-Completely agree, and I would apply that to martin being given the 6 hole opposed ethier. I love martin, but let him earn it.
2007-03-04 10:49:13
41.   StolenMonkey86
35 - If Jason Schmidt's the #3, then I don't think he'd be too bothered
2007-03-04 10:52:43
42.   Icaros
As a pitcher, Mark Hendrickson is #2.
2007-03-04 10:53:21
43.   returnoffernandomania
Schmidt is on record dispeling rotation ranking. I also like hime pitching the home opener
2007-03-04 10:57:07
44.   jasbo
"Actually, I wanted the Dodgers to have five 2.5s because that means the rotation would go up to 11!"

Ah, math never was Nigel's best subject.

2007-03-04 10:59:43
45.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe I was using base 9!
2007-03-04 11:09:32
46.   MLKaplan43
Who the hell is Sarah, and why does she get a "take?"
2007-03-04 11:10:50
47.   Greg Brock
Oooh, you might wanna tread lightly about Sarah Morris.
2007-03-04 11:11:20
48.   StolenMonkey86
46 -
2007-03-04 11:12:01
49.   Greg Brock
2007-03-04 11:20:11
50.   caseybarker
I'm not afraid of the big, bad Plaschke.
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2007-03-04 11:33:00
51.   jasbo
Checking the box scores, including today's, I'm wondering: Where does it say we have to have a third baseman? Would it be better to have a rover? Have him play behind where the third baseman would usually play and pick up the balls that Betemit/La Roche/Tatis would miss? Just wondering.
2007-03-04 11:39:53
52.   MLKaplan43
48 & 49
Thanks, but the 2nd half of my question is still unanswered.

Since most reputable publications employ columnists from the left and the right, we should lobby to publish a pro-sabermetrics writer.

2007-03-04 11:51:06
53.   returnoffernandomania
3rd base has got to improve, no power and no defense? ouch
2007-03-04 11:51:31
54.   returnoffernandomania
sloppy KEMP play
2007-03-04 11:51:42
55.   Icaros
Ouch. Two drops now in center for Matt Kemp.
2007-03-04 11:57:12
56.   returnoffernandomania
I get a much better feeling from ethier than kemp as far as a future everyday outfielder goes. Does anyone else think he has 28-32 HR power?
2007-03-04 11:57:24
57.   returnoffernandomania
ethier that is
2007-03-04 12:00:05
58.   StolenMonkey86
The thing is that Ethier is closer to his prime physically than Kemp. But I do think that Ethier is more likely to win a batting title if he stays healthy.
2007-03-04 12:00:16
59.   regfairfield
56 Kemp is far and away the best player in the organization.

Also, just remember that Lance Carter and Brett Tomko were the 2006 Spring Training MVPs before you start caring about what's happening.

2007-03-04 12:07:23
60.   StolenMonkey86
59 - I was trying to forget that.
2007-03-04 12:12:53
61.   Bumsrap
I would love for La Roche to have a great MLB career but for now if it looks lilke he needs another year at AAA that is great for me. And if Betemit continues to shout that he is the one that should be shagging balls in the outfield that is also great with me.

Why? Because I want Nomar off first base. Loney will catch most of Nomar's sinking one hoppers pitched at him from third base.

If Nomar is going to be injured this year let's get it over with sooner than later. As it is we are just waiting for the second shoe to drop anyway. Hopefully Ned won't panic and make a knee-jerk trade should Nomar get injured.

2007-03-04 12:20:37
62.   returnoffernandomania
59- who would you think is a comparable current major leager to what Kemp will be
2007-03-04 12:23:26
63.   regfairfield
62 Vernon Wells with worse defense is the first thing that comes to mind. If I had to pick a corner outfielder for a comparison, I'd say the 2006 version of Carlos Lee with better defense.
2007-03-04 12:28:48
64.   returnoffernandomania
i agree with your assesment of his potential. my point was simply that his current innability to hit the breaking ball makes him a longer shot than ethier. He may very well improve, but we've seen ethier prove a little more.
2007-03-04 12:30:53
65.   Greg Brock
The only way to get better at hitting big league breaking pitches is to face big leage pitchers. Mashing AAA competition isn't going to help.
2007-03-04 12:35:18
66.   natepurcell

jermaine dye 2006

2007-03-04 12:35:58
67.   returnoffernandomania
65- so would you put him in place of gonzo in left?
2007-03-04 12:37:29
68.   D4P
so would you put him in place of gonzo in left?

No, LuGo would already have been on the bench anyway. I'd put him in center in place of Repko, flanked by Ethier and Loney

2007-03-04 12:37:31
69.   returnoffernandomania
i would love to see kemp lf, pierre cf, ethier rf, gonzo 4th OF
2007-03-04 12:44:13
70.   Gen3Blue
"Defense Key for Dodgers".
Actually its silly to take early ST very seriously.
2007-03-04 12:53:09
71.   regfairfield
66 I think that's too optimistic. I don't think he has as much discipline as Dye and we can't expect a .307 isolated power out of him.
2007-03-04 13:01:18
72.   natepurcell

dyes tools and physical traits are alot like kemps and they have similar minor league numbers. Jermaine Dye is just one possible player Kemp can turn into.

2007-03-04 13:02:46
73.   underdog
Boy, the Dodgers literally have three players playing in their SS game vs Nats today that I've never even heard of. Lizarraga? McDougall? Hoffman in LF?
2007-03-04 13:07:54
74.   Greg Brock
Creighton punches its ticket to the dance with the upset over Southern Illinois in the MVC Championship.

SIU will still get in and likely be a pretty high seed. Maybe a #4 or #5.

2007-03-04 13:08:48
75.   CanuckDodger
I think Kemp's "middle 20's years" will be more like Jermaine Dye's 1999: .294/.354/.526. I'll take that from a #3 or #4 hitter who has not yet reached free agency. Kemp needs to spend most of this year in Triple A. I don't think he is ready yet, unless we want a 2007 Kemp year to be a lot like a 2006 Francouer year, with a sub-.300 OBA and maybe not as much slugging.
2007-03-04 13:11:46
76.   Jon Weisman
Again, Sarah Morris doesn't need to be protected. She's been writing for a long time, and she has proven she can stand behind her words and doesn't expect everyone to agree with her.

Meanwhile, please, don't start concluding things about any players based on Spring Training performance.

2007-03-04 13:20:50
77.   goofus
I just read the latest Sarah's Take. Now I'm not a Drew fan but her statement that both Ethier and Gonzalez are better defensive players than Drew is ludicrous. It completely destroys any credibility she might have ever had and labels her a no talent, suck-up flack.
2007-03-04 13:21:55
78.   underdog
76 Good points, Jon. But, re: the latter, what about Lizarraga and McDougall? Can I conclude they probably won't make the team? ;)

Btw, missed your bro's thing at Wonder-Con yesterday - got stuck in another thing and then had to leave early after spending too much on comic stuff (an original Simpsons animatic for one!) Hope he had fun. Saw Brad Bird and Patton Oswalt introduce Ratatouille though.

2007-03-04 13:26:09
79.   underdog
Boy, Elbert didn't pitch too well today, did he? I attribute it to nerves, expect great things from him down the road. Today was just a blip.

Boy (x2), I smell bad. Just played soccer. Need shower. Must leave before I offend.

2007-03-04 13:29:56
80.   Jon Weisman
78 - I think you can conclude that they have as good a chance of making the team as my brother.
2007-03-04 13:32:13
81.   Bob Timmermann
You can't smell worse than the several thousand people who have just finished the L.A. marathon.

Thankfully most of them aren't coming in to the library.

2007-03-04 13:33:00
82.   regfairfield
75 Amazing, those are the exacts number I was projecting for Kemp the next few years. Maybe I'm getting better at this prospect thing.
2007-03-04 13:38:27
83.   natepurcell

I think everyone here would be happy if those were kemp's averages when hes 23-26 or so.

2007-03-04 13:42:23
84.   underdog
81 Definitely didn't smell as bad as several thousand sweaty people, but at least as bad as a few them together. Better now.

Btw, did anyone catch these two items in the new minor league report on

"Kyle Orr, a fourth-round pick, is a left-handed hitter with power. He signed in October after competing for the Canadian Junior Olympic Team. The Dodgers will initially try him in the outfield, although at 6-foot-5 he might wind up at first base."

"Jumbo Diaz, known for his size and his fastball, is slimmed down and close to throwing again after a second elbow operation. Diaz has lost an estimated 40 pounds and is making regular bullpen sessions."

2007-03-04 13:42:53
85.   Frip
Jon: "[Sarah] has proven she can stand behind her words and doesn't expect everyone to agree with her."

Is this an attempt to say something about her, or an attempt to say nothing and only make it seem like something?

2007-03-04 13:44:49
86.   underdog
I believe he's referring to
2007-03-04 13:48:17
87.   Andrew Shimmin
The problem with saying Moneyball denigrated defense is that the opposite is true. Moneyball explicitly endorsed the idea that defense mattered, and mattered a lot. I've been re-reading it, a little, and last night got to the part where DePo is talking about how they replaced Johnny Damon--the bat, he figured, was easy enough, but his estimate was that swapping Damon for Long would cost the team 15 runs.

This is another one of those arguments where I don't think there's really that much difference in the positions. Do anti-moneyballers really think defense is every bit as important as offense? Or that the difference between the best defender and the worst defender is anything like as great as the difference between the best and worst hitters?

Koyie Hill is in camp with the Cubs. And he just threw out a runner trying to steal third. Was he traded, or a minor league FA?

2007-03-04 13:48:38
88.   Jon Weisman
85 - I don't understand the question.

There are times I agree with Sarah, and times I disagree with her. If she read my stuff, I assume she'd feel the same about me.

2007-03-04 13:50:45
89.   Bob Timmermann
Sarah Morris has opinions. Just like everybody else. I have opinions. Some of them are wrong.

Yet I still don't like the idea of the double error!

2007-03-04 13:51:20
90.   Frip
Yes, we are not always agreed with. This is mere truism.
2007-03-04 13:54:38
91.   Jon Weisman
90 - I wasn't trying to be profound. I was just saying to people earlier that I didn't feel Sarah was off-limits from criticism.
2007-03-04 13:54:56
92.   Steve
87 -- But there's a yes and a no here, Andrew. Yes, Moneyball said that defense mattered in a theoretical sense. But Moneyball destroyed the company line of the poseurs and the blowhards who would say things like "Alex Cora's glove is worth two runs per game" and that nonsense. Defense still remains a sort of rhetorical club without any practical meaning -- like stolen bases and sacrifices, its practical (and marginal) merit is irrelevant in the context of baseball's neo-paleo-conservatism.
2007-03-04 13:58:41
93.   Frip
91 Cool
2007-03-04 14:02:42
94.   Andrew Shimmin
Alex Cora is the smartest man in baseball. I think we should ask him what his glove is worth, and then accept the answer as gospel.
2007-03-04 14:05:10
95.   Claire Malone-Evans
It looks as if the Dodgers are back to there evil ways. They are converting Carlos Santana to catcher.
2007-03-04 14:05:14
96.   Greg Brock
I thought Tony La Russa was the smartest man in baseball. That's what he tells me, anyway.
2007-03-04 14:10:16
97.   Frip
George Will is the smartest man out of baseball.
2007-03-04 14:12:50
98.   underdog
95 I can only imagine the fun Charlie Steiner will have if he makes it to the majors, whether as catcher or as lead guitarist.
2007-03-04 14:15:19
99.   Andrew Shimmin
Awesome--we've got the beginnings of a new stat here, boys. We ask Alex Cora, Tony La Russa, and George Will how many runs any particular player's glove is worth. Then we average their answers.
2007-03-04 14:17:03
100.   Dodgers49
35- I agree, although I'm curious to see how penny will deal with starting the season #4 given his temperment.

>>> Penny knows place, and it's OK
By Steve Henson, Times Staff Writer
March 4, 2007

Manager Grady Little "is great about asking, and I told him that as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if I'm number two, three, four or five," Penny said. <<<

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2007-03-04 14:20:09
101.   D4P
Manager Grady Little "is great about asking, and I told him that as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if I'm number two, three, four or five," Penny said.

What determines whether this kind of attitude is viewed as:

1. that of an unselfish team player willing to do whatever is asked of him, or
2. that of a guy who lacks fire and motivation and the will to win, so much so that he's indifferent as to his place in the rotation?

2007-03-04 14:20:11
102.   Steve
99 -- That's too objective.
2007-03-04 14:20:12
103.   Frip
Sometimes Charley goes a little overboard with things that aren't really that interesting or funny. Like when Russel Martin shaved his mustache during the Twins game last year. Charlie simply could not get over it. It was as if Russel grew a third ear between the 4th and 5th innings.

But he's still sober enough to make Steve Lyons look like Gallager.

2007-03-04 14:20:54
104.   Steve
What determines whether this kind of attitude is viewed as

Whether you like Brad Penny or not

2007-03-04 14:50:02
105.   trainwreck
So Kwame Brown is now the second best Laker on the team...

Hopefully we can win a game in the playoffs.

2007-03-04 14:50:41
106.   D4P
Have you seen Randy's match from last night yet...?
2007-03-04 14:53:02
107.   trainwreck
Oh yea. I go to a bar for all the UFCs. The place was going insane.
2007-03-04 14:53:41
108.   regfairfield
87 Koyie Hill was part of the Steve Finley trade.
2007-03-04 14:55:31
109.   D4P
I haven't seen it yet. Musta been pretty exciting. He's probably my all-time favorite, but I didn't want him to un-retire. Pretty amazing performance though.

I'm not looking forward to him fighting CroCop...

2007-03-04 15:05:58
110.   trainwreck
He has a chance against CroCop, just because the NSAC rules favor wrestlers. They can shoot without worrying about getting kneed in the head. Randy can shoot on CroCop and GnP him. If he tries to stand against CroCop like he did against Sylvia, it will not end pretty.

Yeah it was really exciting. From the opening seconds Randy gave a reason for everyone to go insane. The cool thing is that the bar I go to gets a lot of Bay Area fighters. I was talking with a guy that does MMA for a living and he was just so pumped for Randy and was making all these crazy bets hoping for Randy. He was just ecstatic as Randy nailed Sylvia in the opening seconds.

2007-03-04 15:10:00
111.   Andrew Shimmin
108- Right. And he ended up with NYY last season. I just wondered how he got to the Cubs.
2007-03-04 15:10:49
112.   D4P
It's not so much that I think Randy would have no chance, but I was hoping CroCop would go undefeated the UFC and dominate the HW division until Fedor shows up. Now I don't know whom to root for.
2007-03-04 15:11:57
113.   Bob Timmermann
The woman on my staff finished the LA Marathon today in 4:48:56
2007-03-04 15:12:34
114.   Greg Brock
Tyler Hansbrough's nose just got crushed. Blood everywhere after an elbow by a Dookie in the closing seconds.
2007-03-04 15:12:39
115.   trainwreck
Wow, Hansborough just got his nose broken.
2007-03-04 15:14:33
116.   Greg Brock
Billy Packer keeps insisting it's incidental. I'm not totally sure about that.
2007-03-04 15:15:06
117.   trainwreck
Randy is definitely one of the greatest people in MMA, but I am going to root for CroCop. Liddell is probably going to move up at some point to fight the champ and I much rather see him fight CroCop, not destroy Randy again.
2007-03-04 15:16:23
118.   trainwreck
I agree with Billy's point that Hansbrough should not even be on the court.
2007-03-04 15:17:03
119.   trainwreck
It has nothing to do with this particular situation, but this is why you sit your star players when a game is out of reach.
2007-03-04 15:19:07
120.   D4P
Yeah, I don't want to see Randy lose to Chuck again. I still think Randy is better, though. Their first bout was awesome.

I'd rather have Randy "retire" again than lose to CroCop.

2007-03-04 15:26:47
121.   Andrew Shimmin
Bad omen: Steve Phillips just picked the Dodgers as the "team to watch," in the NL West.
2007-03-04 15:29:41
122.   trainwreck
Last week they asked him his team of the year and he said the Dodgers. Not exactly sure if that means we are his World Series pick.
2007-03-04 15:31:19
123.   D4P
Something tells me Steve Phillips is a big Juan Pierre fan
2007-03-04 15:41:53
124.   Greg Brock
Steve Phillips once called Cliff Lee the best lefty in the American League. He also called Omar Vizquel a "power fielder."
2007-03-04 15:46:05
125.   Greg Brock
Oh, and Steve Phillips once said that the most important aspect of a pitcher isn't their quality, it's "The atmosphere they create for the team."

I love Steve Phillips.

2007-03-04 15:51:30
126.   Bob Timmermann
Steve Phillips also believes that good pitchers earn run support because their teammates want to score for them.

"There's a rhythm and a flow that happens to a team when things are going well. When you're scoring runs, when you're playing well -- pitchers who work too quickly sometimes get their hitters out of a flow; they work too slowly, they get out of the flow. And when you have a star on the mound, sometimes everybody stands around and watches. Roger Clemens shut out nine times last year when he pitched for the Astros -- shut out seventeen times. I just think it's about the environment that the pitcher creates!"

2007-03-04 15:58:00
127.   Greg Brock
FJM has been live-blogging Baseball Tonight (sort of).
2007-03-04 15:59:44
128.   Greg Brock
And Orestes Destrade just said that hitters put up 20% better numbers in their walk year, based on "surveys"

This is an absolute fabrication, as Bob knows from the SABR convention.

2007-03-04 16:17:15
129.   Vishal
[121] well, even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
2007-03-04 16:21:55
130.   Andrew Shimmin
I like John Kruk, I don't care what anybody says. Even what he does.
2007-03-04 16:23:07
131.   Andrew Shimmin
130- I should say that's apropos of the FJM commentary. Kruk is everything Psycho wishes he were.
2007-03-04 16:25:51
132.   dianagramr

well .... the alternatives in the NL West aren't that watchable, are they?

2007-03-04 16:26:05
133.   Vishal
though, i will say that as much as i enjoy their work, FJM is carrying it a bit far. kruk didn't say that hitting your wife => better pitching. he seem to be saying that dealing with adversity can lead to maturity, and a sense of responsibility. and as we found out from the joe beimel incident during the playoffs, personal responsibility and performance are not entirely unrelated.
2007-03-04 16:31:03
134.   D4P
FJM just posted a paper discussing research that found that "players' performances do not change that much in their walk years as compared to their regular years."
2007-03-04 16:33:12
135.   Greg Brock
This is what happens when the other website is too cool to have a comments section.

Also, I emailed them the Princeton study and Phil Birnbaum's PPT from SABR 36.

2007-03-04 16:33:59
136.   Dodgers49
111- Right. And he ended up with NYY last season. I just wondered how he got to the Cubs.

From Cubs website:

>>> Date Transaction

11/16/06 Acquired LHP Neal Cotts from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for RHP David Aardsma and LHP Carlos Vasquez; Signed RHP Jason Anderson, RHP Ben Howard, LHP Les Walrond, RHP John Webb, C Koyie Hill and INF Jason Smith to Minor League contracts and invited them to Spring Training. <<<

2007-03-04 16:42:25
137.   Bob Timmermann
Phil Birnbaum, co-creator of the Griddle's Pac-10 tournament contest and an entrant.

He doesn't know anything about college basketball. He just knows a lot more about math and odds.

He has told me that "The Newlywed Game" has one of the fairest scoring systems among game shows.

2007-03-04 16:45:22
138.   Marty
Ahh, what a nice day today. I just got through planting the first batch of this year's tomato crop. This year's heirlooms are Mortgage Lifter, Paul Robeson, Big Rainbow and Lemon Boy. I pretty much live on BLT's in July. I still have to figure out what else to plant, but that will be next month.
2007-03-04 16:45:38
139.   Andrew Shimmin
136- Thanks!
2007-03-04 16:51:50
140.   Bob Timmermann
I hear those Paul Robeson tomatoes are really, really, really red.
2007-03-04 16:55:59
141.   Marty
They are a Russian tomato named in his honor. They don't trust any of the other, capitalistic tomatoes.
2007-03-04 16:57:49
142.   Bob Timmermann
Did you plant those Robeson tomatoes along with taters or cotton?

Or have you forgotten?

2007-03-04 17:00:10
143.   StolenMonkey86
the CAA championship tomorrow will be a rematch of 2003: George Mason vs Virginia Commonwealth
2007-03-04 17:01:57
144.   LAT
It was a beautiful day. I went to my first ever college baseball game. A lot like a AA. Fullerton over Rice, 6-1. Fullerton's starting pitcher was built and pitched like Louis Tiant. One hitter. I think he threw every first pitch for a strike. Four Rice errors didn't help. But it was great just to be watching live baseball.
2007-03-04 17:08:00
145.   LAT
Neiman Ranch Bacon
Traders Joe's Mayo
La Brea Extra Sour Sourdough roll

Everyone to Marty's house in July!

2007-03-04 17:27:55
146.   LAT
From re Furcal: "It's nothing serious," said manager Grady Little. "We'll slow down his progress before we put him in many games. Any time a player is in the trainer's room, you've got to worry. Each day it's better and it's not a big concern right now."

Can anyone predict the headine about four days from now?

2007-03-04 17:40:21
147.   twerp
FWIW, paraphrased from CBS Sportsline==

Eric Gagne will probably not throw in a game until mid-March. He has thrown off a mound but is on a different pace than other Ranger pitchers. While everyone else is throwing every other day, Gagne throws every third day. Gagne is also being more selective about how much pitchers' fielding practice he participates in. He is trying to keep his back healthy.

Since his dominating run for the Los Angeles Dodgers from 2002-04, when he converted 84 straight saves and won an NL Cy Young Award, Gagne has had three operations and pitched only 15 1/3 innings. The right-hander had as many surgeries as appearances (two) last year.

2007-03-04 17:54:51
148.   returnoffernandomania
What exactly is wrong with Furcal?
2007-03-04 18:00:22
149.   returnoffernandomania
nevermind just read the article. he also started last year dinged up.
2007-03-04 18:03:38
150.   Bumsrap
As the season progresses and as each pitcher in the rotation has pitched the first game of a three game series, the only thing that becomes noticable is who each pitcher gets matched against.

If Penny goes against another teams fourth pitcher 75% of the time he will probably have more wins that if he were to be matched 75% of the time against the other team's best pitcher.

When the season is over and if Penny has more wins than any other Dodger pitcher he will look like the ace of the staff.

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2007-03-04 18:10:44
151.   D4P
Good "The Simpsons" tonight
2007-03-04 18:11:09
152.   Bumsrap
Early or not, Repko is looking good. He has also been very entertaining.

Furcal, Repko, Ethier, Garciapara, Loney, Kent, Gonzo, Martin.

2007-03-04 18:31:53
153.   Icaros

I'll watch on your recommendation. The title is funny at least.

2007-03-04 18:34:57
154.   trainwreck
I guess King of the Hill is gone once again.
2007-03-04 18:37:20
155.   Andrew Shimmin
151- At some point, people are going to catch on to this game you play. It's so cruel because we all wish it were true. But it just never is.
2007-03-04 18:40:03
156.   D4P
I don't think you'll regret the decision

Yeah. Fox is always pimping stupid new stuff to replace its good old stuff

Good Lifetime movie tonight...

2007-03-04 19:15:47
157.   Sam DC
So, are MLS contracts more like MLB guaranteed-money contracts or NFL not-so-much type contracts?
2007-03-04 19:19:03
158.   Greg Brock
157 I take it you're referring to David Beckham's knee injury.

It will be very interesting to find out how bad it is.

2007-03-04 19:19:46
159.   trainwreck
I heard torn MCL, which would mean hes out around 6 weeks.
2007-03-04 19:31:25
160.   JoeyP
Are Billingsley, Kuo, Wolf battling for the 4/5 spots?

Or is Wolf entitled to the 4, and Billz/Kuo are battling for the 5th?

I really dont think Billingsley would learn much by pitching in Vegas again. He might regress the same way Edwin Jackson did. I dont think it helps young pitchers to bring them up for an extended period, then send them back down to AAA the following season. Billingsley will learn more at the MLB level. I think Kuo will too. Hopefully both make the team.

2007-03-04 19:45:03
161.   trainwreck
Now ESPN is speculating a torn ACL, which would mean he could be out a year.
2007-03-04 19:57:05
162.   CanuckDodger
160 -- Wolf is guaranteed a rotation slot, so Kuo and Billingsley are battling for the fifth slot (I can't believe Tomko and Hendrickson are being anything more than humored when their names are mentioned as contenders to start). I don't want to see either Kuo or Billingsley go back to Triple A, but it could come to that for one of them. Since Kuo can't handle a reliever's routine, I say start him in the rotation and let Billingsley be the swingman working out of the bullpen, kind of like the job Johan Santana had with the Twins before a rotation slot opened for him.
2007-03-04 20:05:17
163.   Andrew Shimmin
8:05 PST--still not funny.
2007-03-04 20:06:46
164.   D4P
Pitchers who should obviously make the team:

1. Lowe
2. Schmidt
3. Penny
4. Kuo
5. Billingsley
6. Broxton
7. Saito

Pitchers who should probably make the team:
8. Wolf

Pitchers who should be battling for the last 3-4 spots:
9. Beimel
10. Dessens
11. Hamulack
12. Hendrickson
13. Tomko
14. Tsao
15. All others in the mix

2007-03-04 20:07:08
165.   D4P
Wait for it...
2007-03-04 20:11:15
166.   Greg Brock
8:10...Still not funny, though the killer cafeteria guy animation was kind of neat.
2007-03-04 20:12:03
167.   D4P
I didn't care for the killer cafeteria stuff. It gets better after that.
2007-03-04 20:13:14
168.   trainwreck
Yeah. Odd to see Simpsons using different means of animation.
2007-03-04 20:13:42
169.   trainwreck
But I liked it.
2007-03-04 20:15:38
170.   trainwreck
*different style of animation
2007-03-04 20:18:36
171.   trainwreck
A Un chien andalou reference, I love it.
2007-03-04 20:18:37
172.   trainwreck
A Un chien andalou reference, I love it.
2007-03-04 20:20:32
173.   Andrew Shimmin
Number of commercial breaks: two
Number of laughs: zero.
2007-03-04 20:22:18
174.   D4P
I'll tell you what was funny in about 7 minutes or so
2007-03-04 20:23:11
175.   trainwreck
The Fox reference?
2007-03-04 20:29:48
176.   Andrew Shimmin
174- I'll explain why you're wrong, immediately after.
2007-03-04 20:30:02
177.   Greg Brock
2007-03-04 20:31:31
178.   trainwreck
Took 5 seconds for the Winner to anger me.
2007-03-04 20:33:03
179.   D4P
1. "Brandine, I thought you was in Iraq to stop 9/11"
2. The FoxNews reference was marginally funny, though a little obvious
3. Superintendent Chalmers' "Why do you have to make things weird" line
4. The scene with Apu and Snake at the psychiatrist
5. In general, having Cletus and his kids getting so much attention (their names were pretty good too)

Probably a few other things as well, which I'm forgetting

2007-03-04 20:36:55
180.   Andrew Shimmin
Did you like the Simpsons back when it was good, too, or did you really start to like it, say in the last five years? You must have bad taste; that's a given. But what I'm trying to determine is if you only like things that are bad, or if you like some things that are good, in addition to the garbage you like.
2007-03-04 20:39:32
181.   D4P
I don't think "The Simpsons" is nearly as good as it used to be, but I can still find a few things in most episodes that I appreciate. Little things, such as Bart referring to Skinner and Chalmers by their first names.

BTW: What is on your list of "Things D4P Likes"...?

2007-03-04 20:40:30
182.   saltcreek
You cant knock the simpsons to hard. Its hard for a show to stay fresh and funny after 100 episodes....tonight was episode # 392
2007-03-04 20:41:41
183.   Bob Timmermann
I thought it was funny.

I laughed through most of it.

"Nobody pajaminates me!"

"I can give you a peppy vamp and I can counterpoint it with ...

2007-03-04 20:43:19
184.   saltcreek
The Simpsons was amazing between seasons 2-8(The best season being #3). Afer that it started going down hill.
2007-03-04 20:43:20
185.   D4P
I'm inviting Bob over next Sunday to watch "The Simpsons" with my wife and I. Andrew's not invited.
2007-03-04 20:43:45
186.   trainwreck
Rob Corddry left the Daily Show for this?
2007-03-04 20:44:31
187.   Andrew Shimmin
1. Post-funny Simpsons
2. Genocide
3. Clowns
2007-03-04 20:47:57
188.   D4P
1. Funny "The Simpsons" > Post-funny Simpsons > Most other sitcoms these days
2. D--- straight
3. I hate clowns more than you do
2007-03-04 20:48:24
189.   saltcreek
187. Thats going a little far. The worst of the 392 simpsons episodes is still more entertaining than most the crap on tv today.
2007-03-04 20:49:09
190.   coachjpark
I'm on Dodgertalk in 2 minutes.... anyone here want me to ask a question for Bob Harvey?
2007-03-04 20:49:46
191.   caseybarker
186 I wish nothing but the worst for Jon Stewart and his minions.
2007-03-04 20:50:28
192.   Bob Timmermann
"Is it possible for a cat and a dog to learn to live together if there is a tortoise in the home?"
2007-03-04 20:51:30
193.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob Harvey the Canadian boxer, or Bob Harvey the member of Jefferson Airplane?
2007-03-04 20:53:45
194.   saltcreek
Or Bob Harvey the Mayor
2007-03-04 20:54:50
195.   D4P
I'm now listening to KFWB online
2007-03-04 20:57:29
196.   Andrew Shimmin
189- I expect that's probably true. But I know better than to watch most tv shows. The Simpsons sucked me in with a decade of being good. It's the greatest scam in the history of television!
2007-03-04 20:58:48
197.   saltcreek
Kuo was one of the best closers last year? Is that what he said?
2007-03-04 21:00:23
198.   D4P
It's the greatest scam in the history of television!


1. According to Jim
2. Friends
3. Anything "reality" related
4. W&G
5. The never-ending onslaught of homogenous hospital, lawyer, and police shows
6. The list goes on and on

2007-03-04 21:01:59
199.   trainwreck
That is a pretty darn good list.
2007-03-04 21:02:14
200.   caseybarker
Friends sucked in the vast Seinfeld audience who had nowhere else to go. And for the last 3-4 years, it was unapologetically awful.
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2007-03-04 21:02:37
201.   saltcreek
true if you watch an episode on dvd from lets say season 4 and then view episodes from this season it can be frustrating.
2007-03-04 21:03:05
202.   Andrew Shimmin
None of those shows were ever any good. It's easy to not watch shows that stink. The hard thing is letting go of the ones that didn't used to stink.
2007-03-04 21:04:26
203.   Jon Weisman
As bad shows go, the current Simpsons as good. As good shows go, it is bad.
2007-03-04 21:06:07
204.   D4P
The hard thing is letting go of the ones that didn't used to stink

I understand. My "The Simpsons" experience is probably different from most around here, in that I didn't start watching until around 1997 or so. As a result, I never built up the lofty expectations that long-time viewers probably did.

2007-03-04 21:08:19
205.   coachjpark
197 I think that he mistook Hong Chi Kuo as being Korean... either that, or he mistook Kuo for being a closer candidate.
2007-03-04 21:24:56
206.   Icaros
I'll never forget the first time I saw that little monkey type: "PRAY FOR MOJO."
2007-03-04 21:30:19
207.   JoeyP
1. According to Jim

Courtney Thorne-Smith is the wife on that show. If you can forget everything else about it, and just focus on that one part..Its really not that bad.

2007-03-04 21:34:23
208.   D4P
Then you're falling into their trap
2007-03-04 21:35:21
209.   Bob Timmermann
Thomas Eagleton
2007-03-04 21:43:00
210.   bhsportsguy
207 One of her first roles on TV was as a Laker Girl on LA Law.

And then came Melrose Place but Heather Lockler took the main blonde role in that show.

2007-03-04 22:08:36
211.   JoeyP
She was Charlie Sheen's girlfriend in "Lucas".

I've dug her ever since.

2007-03-04 22:47:59
212.   Andrew Shimmin
Summer School would have been a better movie if Shoop had ended up with the CTS character, instead of Kirstie Alley.
2007-03-04 22:55:30
213.   D4P
"Summer School"...?
2007-03-04 22:56:31
214.   Steve
D4P : Television :: Steve Phillips : Baseball
2007-03-04 22:56:45
215.   Andrew Shimmin

It's not a particularly good movie, but it is on the cable every thirty minutes.

2007-03-04 22:59:11
216.   Greg Brock
It's not a particularly good movie

That's crazy talk. Summer School rocks.

2007-03-04 23:01:12
217.   Andrew Shimmin
Says the high school teacher. Good thing we don't know your name or the police would be on their way over to check for live in students.
2007-03-04 23:02:08
218.   Greg Brock
Come on, man. Chainsaw, Dave, Larry Kazamias, Anna Maria.


2007-03-04 23:05:25
219.   D4P
It's not a particularly good movie

Andrew just said that because he's embarrassed about knowing (and liking) so many crappy movies, given that he thrashes me for still liking "The Simpsons"

2007-03-04 23:22:31
220.   Bob Timmermann
I still respect you D4P.

I still like "The Simpsons."

You're OK by me.

Oh, and the number of competitors is up to 10 in the Griddle contest. Man, economic incentives work!

2007-03-05 00:20:38
221.   trainwreck
Wild Hogs made $38 million over the weekend.

Wow, just wow.

2007-03-05 08:12:24
222.   Sam DC
Game of Shadows authors conduct an online chat at the Wash Post today at 2 PM eastern / 11 am Pacific.

2007-03-05 08:48:39
223.   Bob Timmermann
"Baez begrudgingly accepts setup roll with Orioles"
2007-03-05 08:54:45
224.   Steve
He attributes his success not to one particular pitch

He only has one particular pitch.

2007-03-05 08:55:25
225.   Benaiah
221 - I am stunned. I guess I shouldn't be, since Norbit (which I actually watched) was number one too. The previews for Wild Hogs were abysmally bad.
2007-03-05 09:03:51
226.   Benaiah
225 - Zodiac meanwhile is very good, and Black Snake Moan is insane and worth watching.
2007-03-05 09:10:48
227.   Vishal
[226] i was a little disappointed with black snake moan. it wasn't a bad movie, per se, and there wasn't a particular part of it that i had issue with, but watching it, i felt like it had the makings of a much more interesting movie than it ended up being. considering the cast and the set-up, etc... it could have been a lot better.
2007-03-05 09:13:05
228.   Benaiah
227 - has an article up about how the movie has a great 2nd act, but chickens out Spoiler because it doesn't have Jackson and Ricci end up with each other. By having them end up with age and race appropriate people it doesn't quite live up to its own incendiary premise.
2007-03-05 09:13:26
229.   D4P
Coming soon to a "The Juice" blog near you:

Please Explain: John Travolta

2007-03-05 09:18:13
230.   Benaiah
229 - I loved him as Vincent Vega. And he was in The Thin Red Line, Get Shorty and Face/Off. Unfortunately, other than that he has been exclusively in idiotic crap since Pulp Fiction.
2007-03-05 09:31:22
231.   D4P
I wish I could find some clips of Dana Carvey playing Travolta on SNL.

"It's like, so weird..."

2007-03-05 09:35:23
232.   Greg Brock
231 Carvey as Travolta in "Urban Toonces" is one of my favorite Carvey skits.

"It's like he ate a plate a tacos, or somethin'"

2007-03-05 09:40:08
233.   D4P
I loved it when he was talking about his work in that movie about the baby who talks, with Bruce Willis doing the baby's voice (I never saw the movie).

"It's like, Bruce Willis is talkin', but, it's like, the baby's talkin', it's like, so weird..."

(You should hear me say this: I crack myself up)

2007-03-05 09:46:34
234.   caseybarker
"Like, oh my god, Tom, you've gotta come outta the closet."
2007-03-05 09:48:18
235.   natepurcell
how many bullpen arms are we going to keep?


that should be sufficient as hendrickson and dessens are traded.

2007-03-05 10:06:18
236.   D4P
The authoritative list is in 164
2007-03-05 10:12:03
237.   still bevens
So if you combine today's Sox game with the Mets game from late last week we've pretty much had a Dodgers 21st century family reunion tour.
2007-03-05 10:14:41
238.   Greg Brock
Career RedemptionWatch: Josh Hamilton is 8-15 so far in ST.
2007-03-05 10:17:55
239.   Gen3Blue
Darn, Furcal is about the last one I want to see injured. May this be the exception and be as minor as predicted.
2007-03-05 10:19:34
240.   Xeifrank
235. If you are assuming Guo is the 5th starter, then that sounds good to me. I think Tomko probably feels he is still in the running for the 5th starting spot, and Joe Mays too. Both pitched pretty well in their first outings. Over at GuoMania I am keeping close tabs on the 5th starter battle.
vr, Xei
2007-03-05 10:25:41
241.   Landonkk
Bigbie with another hit..
2007-03-05 10:39:07
242.   Benaiah
So Wilson is 0 for Spring training, with a bunch of errors. Laroche meanwhile is batting .333 with a .400 OBP. Now the sample size is so small that it is insignificant, but Betemit has got to feel Laroche breathing down his neck at this point.
2007-03-05 10:47:26
243.   kinbote
242 - i'd hate to see a player lose a job before he ever had a real chance to prove himself. betemit's never had a full season in which to prove himself as a regular, and we certainly can't judge him solely on his play for us in the 2nd half of the 2006 season.

even if he plays awful and laroche plays plays great his spring, i think the ideal situation is for betemit to begin the year as the starter with a hugely motivated laroche in AAA licking his chops.

2007-03-05 10:49:35
244.   underdog
Manny just gave Abreu a double. Guess the sun and wind are making things challenging there today. But still, thanks, Manny. Interesting to listen to the Red Sox announcers for this game.
2007-03-05 10:53:04
245.   adraymond
not a bad couple innings for Wolf. typical spring trainging wildness but the ks are good.
2007-03-05 10:55:43
246.   Steve
Pierre is managing to make himself useless even in Spring Training. Uncanny.
2007-03-05 10:55:55
247.   underdog
245 Yah, and according to the Red Sox announcers one called ball 4 should have been a strike 3.

Meanwhile, Billz just got my favorite breakfast cereal-baseball player, Coco Crisp.

2007-03-05 10:56:25
248.   D4P
But he's hitting over .300...!
2007-03-05 11:00:53
249.   underdog
Billz just struck out Pappy Ortiz in a meaningless battle of power vs power.
2007-03-05 11:01:45
250.   D4P
Interesting start for the Dodger pitchers thus far...
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2007-03-05 11:02:04
251.   D4P
Oops, disregard 250
2007-03-05 11:02:06
252.   underdog
And then hit Manny with a pitch.

Good ol' Billz.

2007-03-05 11:07:31
253.   CajunDodger
This same thing happened to Hee Seop Choi. I am not a huge fan of his, but Jim Tracy not playing him in place of Jason Phillips made me want to claw my eyes out in 2005. Let's see Betemit in April and let LaRoche force his way on to the team in May or June.
2007-03-05 11:12:02
254.   Vishal
[253] speaking of choi, he's playing 1st base for tampa bay today. and another old friend, jae seo, pitched 2 perfect innings in that game.
2007-03-05 11:13:01
255.   JoeyP
LaRoche at the very least should be the platoon partner for Betemit at 3rd base.

Betemit cant hit lefties.

2007-03-05 11:13:33
256.   Vishal
[235] you think cao jinhui is gonna make the team?
2007-03-05 11:17:40
257.   underdog
Argh, Billingsley and his control struggles. 5 straight balls before throwing a strike. He also needs to make his delivery smoother. Oh well, it's still early in Spring.
2007-03-05 11:21:53
258.   still bevens
Nice call by Steiner on Abreu's play. I'll have my fingers crossed that the play makes local news.
2007-03-05 11:25:23
259.   Benaiah
258- ?
2007-03-05 11:29:00
260.   still bevens
Sounded like Abreu made a great diving stab at a comebacker to throw out Mirabelli heading to first.
2007-03-05 11:31:16
261.   Greg Brock
It's always nice to rob a speedster like Doug Mirabelli.
2007-03-05 11:32:30
262.   D4P
Juan Pierre: RBI Machine
2007-03-05 11:33:16
263.   D4P
Juan Pierre: Stolen Base Machine
2007-03-05 11:33:28
264.   underdog
Yeah, credit where credit is due, Pierre did smoke that one. Drove in Choo-Choo-Choose-U-(And-There's-A-Picture-of-a-Train) Freeman.

And Pierre just stole 2nd.

2007-03-05 11:34:26
265.   underdog
260 Actually the Red Sox announcers got excited on that stop by Abreu, too, said it was a fine play.
2007-03-05 11:36:55
266.   Benaiah
If Pierre can hit .444 he will have some value...
2007-03-05 11:39:22
267.   Steve
You stole today's positive spin from Reg.
2007-03-05 11:50:16
268.   Benaiah
Cool Ichiro stat: 2006: 45 SB, 2 CS.

Not cool Ichiro stat: Never .460 SLG, only once OBP above .400 and had to hit .372 to do it.

He managed to be a below average hitter for his position last year (13th best OPS among 16 RF with 450 ABs ahead of Shawn Green, Brian Giles and Jeff Francoeur) despite hitting .328.

2007-03-05 11:54:44
269.   saltcreek
Pierre is looking good....
2007-03-05 12:01:35
270.   Daniel Zappala
I'm confused. The MLB box score shows Luis Gonzalez pitching.
2007-03-05 12:03:12
271.   regfairfield
270 We've got two. I think that one is Luis E. Gonzalez.
2007-03-05 12:04:13
272.   saltcreek
270-271its messed up....its lu go look at the guys stats
2007-03-05 12:06:07
273.   Daniel Zappala
Hmm. Well the box score is messed up in a multitude of ways. It shows 2 runs scored for the Dodgers and 1 run scored in a different place. 1 RBI for Pierre in one place, 2 for him in another place. At one point the score was 3-0, now it has gone backwards to 2-0.
2007-03-05 12:07:31
274.   Benaiah
Player A .342/.477/.660 38 HR 2 SB
Player B .350/.381/.457 8 HR 56 SB

Who had the better year? I mean, even by traditional standards, surely when the batting averages are that close the huge power difference would make Player A more valuable. Yet Ichiro won the MVP over Giambi in 2000. I am betting it was because of his laser arm, and the intangibles he brought on the base paths.

Look at runs and RBIs too. Giambi just crushed him and yet lost.
Ichrio 127 runs, 69 RBI
Giambi 109 runs, 120 RBI in 70 less PA.

I guess he was juicing at the time, but still.

2007-03-05 12:21:55
275.   underdog
Tatis and Loney both just drove balls real deep but were caught. It's still 2-zip Dodgers. Only 1 hit allowed to Sox and best of all, only one error so far! (Two passed balls, though.)
2007-03-05 12:23:22
276.   D4P
Yet Ichiro won the MVP over Giambi in 2000

Baseball Reference tells me two things:

First, you probably mean 2001.

Second, Seattle won 14 more games than Oakland that year (a ridiculous 116-102). Not that that should necessarily have mattered, but I'm sure it did.

2007-03-05 12:27:55
277.   underdog
I wonder if Abreu has any chance at all of making the Dodgers. If not they'll probably lose him, no? (He's out of options.)
2007-03-05 12:30:05
278.   D4P
If Repko can hit .444 he will have some value...
2007-03-05 12:31:37
279.   regfairfield
277 Tony Abreu? He's not even rule five eligible yet, nor is he on the 40 man roster.
2007-03-05 12:31:50
280.   underdog
The Sox announcers are particularly fascinated talking about Josh Beckett's battles with eczema.
2007-03-05 12:33:06
281.   underdog
279 Sorry, I meant Wilson Valdez! They were talking about Abreu in the game while I was thinking of Valdez.
2007-03-05 12:42:05
282.   robohobo
281. If you are listening to the Red Sox feed, they confused Abreu with Valdez.
I like listening to the opposing teams broadcast as not only is it generally better than Monday/Steiner, they talk more about Dodger players as they have likely said everything that can be said about their own players.
2007-03-05 12:46:21
283.   underdog
282 Ah, that may have been why I was confused , too! Thanks. That'll teach me to listen to the Red Sox feed. No, you're right, I like listening to the opposing announcers sometimes too because you get a different perspective. And they have talked a lot about the Dodgers players today, too, to their credit - even more than about the Sox.
2007-03-05 12:48:25
284.   underdog
Uh oh, Beimel's in trouble. The Sox just scored 1 and almost scored another but the runner was nailed at the plate on a strong through home by ... someone in the outfield (they didn't even say) and the tag by Sandy Martinez.
2007-03-05 12:49:05
285.   still bevens
282 Perhaps I should look into this as I'm developing a staggering hatred for this Las Vegas shill lady. The season hasn't even started yet and I cant stand the KFWB commercials.
2007-03-05 12:49:43
286.   still bevens
284 Delwyn Young is the mystery outfielder.
2007-03-05 12:50:09
287.   Daniel Zappala
That had to be Young, Kemp, or Repko.
2007-03-05 12:50:30
288.   underdog
Ah it was D Young to Abreu to Martinez, for those 3 of you scoring at home.
2007-03-05 12:51:51
289.   robohobo
285. I got tired of hearing about he how good Rick and Charlie thought Mall Food Panda Kitchen's food was, or whatever that eatery is called. They plugged it in between plays, not just in between innings and pitcher changes.
2007-03-05 12:54:11
290.   D4P
The other good thing about listening to the opposing announcers is that they're never Dodger homers. Maybe they're opposing team homers, but that doesn't bother me as much.
2007-03-05 12:56:20
291.   Andrew Shimmin
Hong-Chih Kuo is descended from a mighty awesome people:

2007-03-05 12:56:59
292.   Marty
273 Hey, it's spring training for Gameday too.
2007-03-05 12:57:37
293.   Jon Weisman
There's a short new post on top.
2007-03-05 12:57:44
294.   underdog
Just don't listen to the White Sox announcers - they're homers in the worst possible way. (Not the Dodgers will play the White Sox this year...)
2007-03-05 12:58:34
295.   D4P
Is "on top" the same as "up top"...?
2007-03-05 12:59:45
296.   Benaiah
291 - Imagine if there is a dud in the middle that stops it from burning. Oh the disappointed children. This is a highlight:

Throngs that had gathered to witness the spectacle wore masks, goggles, and even motorcycle helmets to protect themselves from the pollution.

But it is for a good cause! Getting your name in a record book of useless records.

2007-03-05 13:01:26
297.   Steve
The Red Sox get out of it with a Tracy.
2007-03-05 13:01:47
298.   D4P
The Red Sox play-by-play guy just raised his voice when he said "Runners go...!", which brought a question to my mind.

The argument is made by some that stealing bases, speed, etc. is "exciting" to watch. But when you think about it, I can run, and so can most people. I've seen plenty of people running before, both on and off the baseball field.

So I ask: is it really that exciting to watch someone run?

2007-03-05 13:02:45
299.   Daniel Zappala
291 What good is a web site for world records if it doesn't actually list all world records?
2007-03-05 13:03:57
300.   D4P
Americans can set World Records too...

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2007-03-05 13:04:02
301.   chazmac138
So I ask: is it really that exciting to watch someone run?

Only someone named Forrest.............

2007-03-05 13:04:46
302.   Daniel Zappala
298 For the same reason that if there was a TV show that followed around burglars as they attempted to steal something, people would watch. People love watching someone trying to steal something.
2007-03-05 13:05:15
303.   Jon Weisman
299 - Just the other day, for work reasons (seriously), I went to the Guinness site to try to find out the record for longest human cannonball launch, only to be left wanting.
2007-03-05 13:07:35
304.   D4P
Anybody else remember those book-ordering forms you used to get in elementary school back in the early-mid 80s? Those were awesome. The Guinness Book of World Records was always a popular choice.
2007-03-05 13:10:01
305.   Greg Brock
304 Guinness Book, Encyclopedia Brown, Choose Your Own Adventure...

Good times.

2007-03-05 13:14:21
306.   Benaiah
305 - I would always buy those collected Calvin and Hobbes books. Calvin and Hobbes is the best comic strip ever by a long shot for my money. It went out at the top of its game, but I remember being almost crushed at the time (I was 12 at the time).
2007-03-05 13:15:12
307.   Benaiah
306 - the double "at the time" is a nice stylistic choice.
2007-03-05 13:15:14
308.   chazmac138

I think it was Troll book orders....always got the Guinness Book and a Garfield book.......classic.

2007-03-05 13:19:53
309.   ToyCannon
I find watching Jason Giambi fumble around the basepaths entertaining and yes I do find the triple to be the most exciting play in baseball. I'd much rather watch Jose Reyes play baseball then Adam Dunn.
2007-03-05 13:21:45
310.   D4P
I'd much rather watch Jose Reyes play baseball then Adam Dunn

That's cause you're not a chick...

2007-03-05 13:41:44
311.   underdog
303 I don't know about "human," but I believe the longest "whatever" cannonball launch record is held by Gonzo. (citation:
2007-03-05 13:53:05
312.   Benaiah
Anybody up for a good game of Calvinball?
2007-03-05 14:01:32
313.   underdog
So apparently Drew and Boras "wanted to renogotiate" their deal with the Dodgers before Drew decided to bail this winter.


2007-03-05 14:02:17
314.   underdog
renegotiate, that is. Although I kind of like the hidden meaning in the alternate (mis)spelling there.
2007-03-05 14:24:40
315.   Jon Weisman
313 - That's kind of an interesting story, but I've got nothing I can think of to say about it. So I won't!
2007-03-05 14:26:01
316.   Benaiah
313 - Wow, so Ned's outrage at Drew exercising his out-clause is even more ludicrous now. Boras specifically mentioned the clause, and he asked to renegotiate (which I think is more than fair considering that Drew was ultimately very undervalued), Ned turns them down and then makes angry comments to the media after the fact. That sounds like bad business.
2007-03-05 14:29:52
317.   underdog
Ditto me - thus my "whatever." It's interesting but it's also odd how I stopped caring about Drew sometime in the last few weeks.

316 I dunno, I mean, maybe, and I think if Drew specifically wanted a no-trade clause added I could understand that. But wanting a long extension for an injury prone player... I can understand both sides of it but don't think it's fair to call it bad business on Colletti's part.

2007-03-05 14:53:34
318.   Benaiah
317 - If Drew wanted to renegotiate, then at the very least Colletti should have entertained the notion. Articles have come out to the effect that Drew opting out forced Colletti to change his entire offseason strategy, so it seems like he should have made at least a token effort to retain him. At the very least he shouldn't have been surprised when Drew opted out because an agent mentioning an opt-out clause and calling for renegotiation is basically an ultimatum (and refusing to renegotiate is akin to calling their bluff). So even if Ned didn't want to spend more money and years on JD (understandable) it seems like it didn't play it out all that well.
2007-03-05 15:00:43
319.   Xeifrank
I continue not to see anything wrong with what Drew/Boras did. His contract had an opt out clause and he took it. He's allowed to change his mind, he didn't break any legally binding agreement. Colletti had a chance to resign him. Is opting out of a contract any worse than asking for a new contract a year or two before it expires like Zambrano, Rivera, Santana and a few others did. The only advice I can give to Colletti, is that's the way the cookie crumbles and if you don't like it then tough cookies. Preferably, the Vons brand chocalate chip cookies, those are the toughest on the market to chew.
vr, Xei
2007-03-05 15:07:00
320.   underdog
318 Fair 'nuf. It definitely didn't play out all that well, but I still feel like even though it's a business, there's some, for lack of a better word, faithlessness in the way that Drew operated here. But it was definitely a game of bluff-calling, which is all part of this game. Maybe Colletti's just too "old school" and sensitive for this day and age. At any rate, I personally have moved on from it, even if Colletti hasn't. ;-)
2007-03-05 17:44:03
321.   El Lay Dave
313 Slightly weird for Jackson to throw in that shot at Drew in the conclusion.

Speaking of roses by other names, is there any difference between "opt-out" and "player option"? J. D. Drew, in essence, elected not to exercise his option on the rest of the contract. Teams frequently choose not to exercise their option on a player's contract. Player's agents, however, are smart enough to realize that there is value there and negotiate a cost to the team if they choose not to exercise their option. So why was J. D. Drew's opt-out/option free ? (Sure, he would have left anyway, but at least he'd provide some of LuGo's inflated salary.)

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