Baseball Toaster Dodger Thoughts
Help
Jon Weisman's outlet
for dealing psychologically
with the Los Angeles Dodgers
and baseball.
Frozen Toast
Search
Google Search
Web
Toaster
Dodger Thoughts
Archives

2009
02  01 

2008
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2007
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2006
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2005
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2004
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2003
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2002
09  08  07 
About Jon
Thank You For Not ...

1) using profanity or any euphemisms for profanity
2) personally attacking other commenters
3) baiting other commenters
4) arguing for the sake of arguing
5) discussing politics
6) using hyperbole when something less will suffice
7) using sarcasm in a way that can be misinterpreted negatively
8) making the same point over and over again
9) typing "no-hitter" or "perfect game" to describe either in progress
10) being annoyed by the existence of this list
11) commenting under the obvious influence
12) claiming your opinion isn't allowed when it's just being disagreed with

Furcal Injured - Repko Too - And Kuo!
2007-03-22 10:23
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Arguably the team MVP, with no legitimate backup in the organization outside of a major position shift, Rafael Furcal now has Dodger fans holding their breath.

One batter into the game, Baltimore's Corey Patterson hit a high pop to shallow center. Furcal went out, Repko came in. Repko made a diving catch, and Furcal jumped over him to avoid a collision. It was when Furcal came down from that short jump that he landed on his left ankle and remained on the ground for several minutes before trainer Stan Conte finally drove him off the field on a cart, with assistant trainer Todd Tomczyk holding Furcal's ankle motionless in the flat bed of the cart. This looks bad right now. Really bad. More when I know more.

- Tony Jackson of the Daily News

Updates: Thoughts and news as they come ...

1) This is like the softball game on Seinfeld with Jason Repko in the part of George and Wilson Valdez in the part of Bette Midler's understudy.

2) Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun - I assume tongue-in-cheek:

Dodgers shortstop Rafael Furcal had to be carted off the field after colliding with center fielder Jason Repko while running down Corey Patterson's pop up. It doesn't look good.

So let's start those Miguel Tejada for Brett Tomko rumors.

3) Ken Gurnick's description at MLB.com:

Furcal was racing into shallow center field and Repko was charging for Corey Patterson's blooper when Repko slid and appeared to pin Furcal's left foot on the ground as they made contact. Furcal grabbed his left leg and rolled in pain until teammates and trainers attended to him.

4) Tony Jackson update:

The preliminary diagnosis on Furcal is a left ankle sprain, but he has been taken to a local hospital for X-rays, so we probably won't know anything definitive for a couple of hours. Stay tuned. Orioles lead 2-0 after 2, Tomko gave up a home run to Nick Markakis and an RBI double to Brandon Fahey. Doesn't ANYBODY want this fifth starter spot?

5) Jason Repko, just returned to the lineup, had to leave the game. Steve Henson of the Times reports that Repko "left the game after injuring his left hand diving for a ground-rule double by Ramon Hernandez." Others are saying groin or hamstring.

6) Note this at the bottom of Henson's story: "Tony Abreu, who should be the second baseman at triple-A Las Vegas, has made a quick recovery from a bruised left shoulder and is ready to play."

7) Diamond Leung at the Press-Enterprise:

Jason Repko, who was involved in the play with Furcal, has now left the game after diving for a ball on the warning track. He suffered what looked like a gash on his left forearm. ...

UPDATE: Repko has more than just a gash. Even worse for him, he pulled his left hamstring and was on crutches afterward. He will have an MRI on it tomorrow.

8) Meanwhile, Brett Tomko has gotten hammered: six runs in four innings. Joe Mays is trying to pull a George Mason, starting with a shutout fifth inning.

9) Mays gives up two in the sixth - so much for that.

10) As of 12 noon today on the West Coast, the Dodgers have been outscored 41-3 this week.

11) Jackie Robinson's Brooklyn home from 1947 to 1950, at 5224 Tilden Avenue, has been recommended for landmark status by the Four Borough Neighborhood Preservation Alliance, writes Helen Klein of Courier-Life Publications.

12) On KFWB, A Martinez said the Dodgers expect Furcal back within a week, but are proceeding on the notion that Repko will be out past Opening Day. If that were true, crisis averted - in fact, maybe the roster would include both Larry Bigbie and James Loney.

13) Jackson interpreted the postgame chit-chat more pessimistically:

It doesn't appear Rafael Furcal (moderate left ankle sprain) or Jason Repko (high left hamstring strain) will be ready for opening day, although trainer Stan Conte stopped short of saying that when it came to Furcal. "It will be longer than a week," Conte said. "Right now, this is 100-percent medical. With respect to figuring out when he'll be able to play, that is kind of the least of our concerns at this point." The Dodgers break camp in a week. Do the math, and it doesn't look good for Furcal leading off at Milwaukee on April 2. As for Repko, Conte said, "It will probably be measured in weeks."

Henson updated that Furcal "was taken to a hospital for X-rays, which showed no break or ligament damage. He will be re-evaluated in a day or two after the swelling has subsided."

Leung:

After speaking with trainer Stan Conte, the news is not particularly good for Repko, who has a high hamstring strain that is expected to keep him out for weeks. He'll open the season on the DL and give way to either James Loney or Larry Bigbie.

Furcal, meanwhile, has a moderate ankle sprain that Conte said will still keep him out for at least a week. If he can't make it for opening day, Wilson Valdez is probably the odd man in.

14) The Associated Press (Thanks, new or newish commenter Don Tordilla)

"I was relieved with the results. I had a similar injury in 2002 with the Braves in spring training," Furcal said. "I may be out four or five days. I could play if it's 80 percent. You don't always play at 100 percent -- sometimes you play hurt."

As long as you don't aggravate it, Rafael.

Repko: "I was on a dead sprint. My right foot planted in the grass and left foot hit the soft dirt," he said. "I didn't really dive, it just gave out."

15) Fun interview with Boston pitcher/blogger Curt Schilling from Alex Belth at SI.com.

16) Oh, for crying out loud ...

Hong-Chih Kuo not only pitched Wednesday night like he's hurt, he is hurt.

Kuo said he had "a little soreness in the back of the shoulder" and was scheduled to have an examination that would likely include an MRI.

"I just wasn't comfortable," Kuo said about his time on the mound Wednesday night, when he took over for scheduled starter Brad Penny, who reported stiffness in the front of his throwing shoulder.

Kuo said he also didn't feel right in his previous start five days earlier against Boston, when he allowed three home runs in a game that was rained out after 2 1/3 innings. ... He did not participate in Thursday morning stretching and did not play catch with the other pitchers, instead spending the pregame taking treatment.

- Gurnick

17) It's not just the Dodgers. Chone Figgins of the Angels fractured a finger.

Comments (286)
Show/Hide Comments 1-50
2007-03-22 10:27:54
1.   Bob Timmermann
It's time to panic.

I'm going to start by making a large ball of twine.

2007-03-22 10:28:31
2.   ToyCannon
I knew Repko would do damage this year just thought it would be to himself and not to our MVP. You'll never see Garret Anderson knocking out an infielder.
2007-03-22 10:28:35
3.   D4P
The biggest ball of twine in Cali-for-nia!
2007-03-22 10:28:46
4.   Jon Weisman
It's always the ankle with Repko, isn't it?
2007-03-22 10:30:00
5.   goblue1
they mention x-rays yet? I guess this isnt the NFL.....
2007-03-22 10:30:12
6.   Dark Horse
Of course, we have two first basemen. One of them a shortstop.

Nevertheless, my breath is held.

2007-03-22 10:30:50
7.   Dark Horse
2-Yeah, Repko's bad news. Seriously.
2007-03-22 10:31:01
8.   weatherman
And here I was feeling sorry for the Cardinals...
2007-03-22 10:31:52
9.   D4P
Initial prognosis:

"Sprained left ankle"

2007-03-22 10:32:57
10.   still bevens
So its officially a 'sprain'. I guess its not as bad as something being broken, correct? I just dont want to pay Furcal like $15mm to sit around and do nothing the whole season.
2007-03-22 10:33:35
11.   goblue1
sprain could be a week, could be a season.
2007-03-22 10:35:10
12.   ToyCannon
Depends on the severity. I had a left ankle sprain that put me out for several months and still hurts two years later. Of course I didnt' have a crackerjack training group working on it. Let's see if Ned's investment into the Giant trainer pays off. If it was the old training group I'd already be writing him off.
2007-03-22 10:35:19
13.   underdog
A sprain is much less serious - depending how severe it is - than anything else it could have been. With these kinds of injuries you really have to wait til some time passes and X Rays are taken (which apparently where he's going), and so on, to know, because when it first happens it can look a lot worse gauging by the player's pain and all. So I'm crossing my fingers that it's not worse than that.

Hey, wasn't Repko formerly a SS? Maybe he can fill in.

2007-03-22 10:35:31
14.   jasonungar05
Well at least we have a backup leadoff hitter..
2007-03-22 10:36:11
15.   ToyCannon
Stiener is so bad
2007-03-22 10:36:25
16.   underdog
Gonzalez just hit one out... er, no, it was caught at the wall. Charlie Steiner really misjudged that one.
2007-03-22 10:36:28
17.   D4P
HAH!!!!

Steiner just got all excited about LuGo hitting a homerun!!!

It turns out the ball was caught!!!

2007-03-22 10:37:04
18.   Jon Weisman
Aren't the Lakers experts in sprained ankles?
2007-03-22 10:37:14
19.   weatherman
So does this mean Betemit plays SS and LaRoche gets his time at 3rd?
2007-03-22 10:38:54
20.   Jon Weisman
This is like the softball game on Seinfeld with Jason Repko in the part of George and Wilson Valdez in the part of Bette Midler's understudy.
2007-03-22 10:39:10
21.   underdog
This means Wilson Valdez gets a spot on the roster, I'd guess. But yeah, maybe Betemit at SS (or, heck, Nomar at SS or 3b, Loney at 1st, God, who knows...)
2007-03-22 10:39:13
22.   regfairfield
19 I have to imagine. Either that or Nomar goes to third and Loney goes to first.
2007-03-22 10:39:36
23.   Daniel Zappala
If only Garciaparra could play shortstop. I'm guessing instead we'll get Martinez.
2007-03-22 10:40:09
24.   Steve
19 -- Ned has already shown his willingness to trade for backup shortstops for no reason whatsoever. The good news is that this is finally curtains for Hendrickson. The bad news is that it will probably be for Royce Clayton.
2007-03-22 10:41:15
25.   weatherman
Betemit did start his career backing up furcal at ss in ATL. I can't imagine Nomar going back.
2007-03-22 10:41:51
26.   Jon Weisman
Roch Kubato of the Baltimore Sun - I assume tongue in cheek:

http://blogs.baltimoresun.com/sports_custom_roch/2007/03/dodger_injury.html

Dodgers shortstop Rafael Furcal had to be carted off the field after colliding with center fielder Jason Repko while running down Corey Patterson's pop up. It doesn't look good.

So let's start those Miguel Tejada for Brett Tomko rumors.

2007-03-22 10:42:43
27.   goblue1
Furcal is a tough guy, i bet he's playing in 2-3 weeks.
2007-03-22 10:43:46
28.   weatherman
We're not fans of "tough guys" here though, are we?
2007-03-22 10:44:45
29.   Jon Weisman
I don't think a shortstop and sparkplug (forgive me) can rush back from a sprain unless it is truly minor.
2007-03-22 10:46:27
30.   Sushirabbit
Ouch. And ouch for me, as I have Furcal as a keeper.
2007-03-22 10:46:36
31.   stopthebeachballs
Furcal has found a way to have an even less productive April than last year. And, please, someone tell Repko to slow down.
2007-03-22 10:46:40
32.   goblue1
Tough to say- Running backs have.
We need to hear the update....
Soon hopefully.
2007-03-22 10:47:28
33.   underdog
Who is this talking with Steiner in the booth? He's literally putting me to sleep.
2007-03-22 10:47:28
34.   weatherman
26 - Above that link, Roch questions Furcal's pain threshold. Has the guy ever had a sprained ankle? The fear of serious damage is as painful as the damage itself with those types of injuries.
2007-03-22 10:48:04
35.   ToyCannon
Betemit was a backup SS about 30 pounds ago.

This has to be the worse possible scenario for any Dodger fan. See you guys were hoping for JP to go down and the Baseball God struck down our MVP because that is how he gets his kicks.

2007-03-22 10:48:28
36.   D4P
Bomko's back
2007-03-22 10:48:55
37.   D4P
Not that he ever left
2007-03-22 10:49:00
38.   still bevens
Looks like our 5th starter golden boy is showing his true colors now. What a crappy day.
2007-03-22 10:49:07
39.   underdog
On the other hand, Tomko sure isn't impressing the Orioles much today - maybe he's doing this on purpose so he won't get traded to the O's.
2007-03-22 10:49:58
40.   underdog
Maybe the Dodgers were a tad premature in assigning Bills to the bullpen, yah?
2007-03-22 10:51:58
41.   underdog
Ah, Bill Mueller, of course, I'd forgotten. Likeable, but gosh, rather somnambulant.
2007-03-22 10:53:11
42.   GoBears
Dollars to Doughnuts the Colletti Solution (sounds like a Ludlum title) will be to go with a Martinez/Valdez team to cover SS.

As always, not a horrible choice, unless you compare it to all of the in-house alternatives.

Personally, I'd move Betemit and Nomar and start Loney. But I'd be shocked to see that happen. Nomar is anchored.

2007-03-22 10:53:27
43.   bhsportsguy
In 2003, Rafael Furcal sprained his ankle on March 3rd, he returned to action on March 20th and he apparently suffered no relapses during that season.
2007-03-22 10:53:41
44.   D4P
Repko's hurt
2007-03-22 10:54:29
45.   D4P
Repko is officially "injury prone"
2007-03-22 10:55:09
46.   bhsportsguy
42 The question is do you move around your infield for a short term solution. My guess is, no you don't.
2007-03-22 10:55:13
47.   goblue1
can this game get any worse?
2007-03-22 10:55:31
48.   GoBears
ah, Toy makes a good point about Betemit's girth. He might not be an option for SS any more. That'd mean that a Martinez/Valdez team is almost inevitable.
2007-03-22 10:56:02
49.   D4P
Repko's one of those young players who's always trying to make selfish "highlight" catches. Hopefully his career lasts long enough such that he'll be more committed to winning.
2007-03-22 10:56:03
50.   still bevens
This is the team I know and love. Good to see you back, blue. =)
Show/Hide Comments 51-100
2007-03-22 10:56:19
51.   Steve
There is no way Colletti will go with Martinez/Valdez. He had a backup shortstop last year and traded him for another backup shortstop because he lived in fear of Martinez at shortstop, even though Martinez played better than the backup shortstop he ended up acquiring (not to mention the backup shortstop he already had).
2007-03-22 10:56:33
52.   Jon Weisman
Early last season, Martinez got a lot of playing time. Later, Lugo was acquired because Colletti wasn't comfortable with having Martinez replace Kent in the lineup for, like, two weeks.
2007-03-22 10:56:54
53.   Jon Weisman
Oh, never mind ...
2007-03-22 10:56:57
54.   ToyCannon
43
Thanks for the optimistic outlook. His numbers in 2003 were also solid.

Now Repko is headed out. Good riddance.

2007-03-22 10:56:58
55.   Daniel Zappala
35 What offering must we make to appease the Baseball God? Catholic-style, we must repeat the Dodger's starting lineup, with Pierre in CF, 50 times? Pagan-style, we must sacrifice (hah!) a virgin in Mount St. Helens? Or shall we place a pile of gloves, balls, bats, and bats at the shrine of Pee Wee Reese in the Hall of Fame?
2007-03-22 10:57:41
56.   regfairfield
So, if Repko is hurt, does that mean Choo Freeman makes the opening day roster? Can Bigbie play center?
2007-03-22 10:58:03
57.   Benaiah
This is the perfect time for Tomko to melt down and put Kuo-fax back in the race for th fifth starter spot.
2007-03-22 10:58:27
58.   Jon Weisman
I'm compiling updates up top.
2007-03-22 10:58:42
59.   bhsportsguy
49 Is this a sample of sarcasm, I do think that Repko believes that his only way to make the roster is to go flat out on every play but that often leads to more chances of injuring yourself.
2007-03-22 10:58:51
60.   Bob Timmermann
55
A better Catholic-style penance would be to organize a large pancake dinner.

Or buy lots of donuts to hand out after Sunday Masses.

2007-03-22 10:59:22
61.   Jon Weisman
You don't need a backup CF per se on the opening day roster. I think Bigbie is definitely next in line, if he wasn't on the team already.
2007-03-22 10:59:30
62.   still bevens
56 Bigbie is playing CF right now.
2007-03-22 10:59:38
63.   underdog
I stopped listening to the game because I couldn't take it any more. So... what happened to Repko? Did he leap against the fence to try to rob someone of a meaningless home run? Why do the Dodgers even play Repko in spring training?
2007-03-22 10:59:44
64.   Jon Weisman
(Because Pierre plays every day)
2007-03-22 11:01:08
65.   Daniel Zappala
60 What, you've never said the rosary as penance?
2007-03-22 11:01:24
66.   bhsportsguy
Off top of anyone's head, when was the last time the Dodgers started an outfield trio for more than one season.

I am guessing that it involved Green and Shef but it may go back farther than that.

Anyone before I check this out.

2007-03-22 11:01:48
67.   returnoffernandomania
Injuries.....
Furcal: Valdez as a temporary stop gap or trade.(depending on severity)

Repko: Bigbie should take his spot and eliminate the problem of losing him to another team

2007-03-22 11:02:12
68.   Benaiah
54 - I don't get the animosity towards Repko, he seems to be a nice guy who plays hard and has a fair amount of talent. You could just as easily be mad at Furcal for not being careful in Spring Training. Or you could not be angry at all since it was an accident.
2007-03-22 11:03:37
69.   ToyCannon
55
It is to late for the lot of you. He is an Eckstein fan which is why he's wearing two rings. Some people just don't grasp that you don't bag on the BG's favorites. He also has influence in other area's which is why Greg Brock is unable to get his dream job back home and D4P must continue to endure North Carolina.
2007-03-22 11:04:07
70.   D4P
I have no doubt that Repko is better than Pierre. The problem is that Repko gets hurt all the time and Pierre doesn't.
2007-03-22 11:05:51
71.   regfairfield
67 Valdez wouldn't be ahead of Martinez on the depth chart. The guy is a worthless commodity. Granted, that's not entirely unlike Martinez.

68 I agree with you except for the talent part. He's a nice spare part, but he should be far more disposable than he is.

2007-03-22 11:06:01
72.   Benaiah
The law of big numbers finally caught up with the doodler. I remember when he went to the bullpen last year and I thought: "Wow, Tomko has been really solid in the pen," only to see him meltdown a few appearances later.
2007-03-22 11:06:31
73.   weatherman
66. Shef, Green and ...

Butler, Mondesi and ...

hmm. Who was that really tall left fielder from the mid nineties?

2007-03-22 11:06:34
74.   ToyCannon
68
I always get a little animosity going when the 25th player on the roster takes out the MVP of the team. If he had run over Ramon Martinez I couldn't care less.
2007-03-22 11:06:44
75.   returnoffernandomania
I think we were premature in placing billingsley in the pen. Kuo was completly spooked by reyes yesterday, and the Tomko/Hendrickson retread combo does not impress me.
2007-03-22 11:07:04
76.   underdog
Yeah, I have nothing against Repko, other than the fact that he is constantly getting hurt. I like him when healthy. I like that he plays hard too but he has to be smarter about it at times.
2007-03-22 11:07:18
77.   Daniel Zappala
But (gulp), I'm an Eckstein fan too. The God of the Bible saved many a town from his wrath if there was just one good person living there. Doesn't the same principle apply here?

Oh man, did Greg Brock not get the job? I hadn't heard that.

2007-03-22 11:08:32
78.   regfairfield
66 Hollandsworth, Cedeno and Mondesi got the majority of the at bats from 96-97.
2007-03-22 11:11:55
79.   ToyCannon
I love that Markakis guy. The Dodger pitching is going through a dead arm period all at the same time?
2007-03-22 11:13:42
80.   underdog
Ah, so Repko got hurt on that same play - I thought he stayed in and got hurt later. I was thinking he'd gotten hurt on purpose so he could be sent to the hospital to hang out with injured Raffy. That's just the kind of guy he is.
2007-03-22 11:16:06
81.   underdog
80 Er, or not. Tony Jackson: "Jason Repko just left the game, apparently after aggravating his right groin strain chasing a ball in the gap. Unlike Furcal, he at least left under his own power. Dodgers trail 5-0 now, but not sure how that happened, as I was in the media work room blogging about all the carnage. Stay tuned."
2007-03-22 11:16:21
82.   weatherman
79 - Isn't he the one who got that Virginia Senator in trouble?
2007-03-22 11:17:01
83.   ToyCannon
Valdez/Abreu/Hu/R Martinez/Betemit will be fine for few weeks. The Brewers were going to knock the snot out of us even with Furcal on the team. Last April we got about as small a production that you could get out of a SS and we did okay.
2007-03-22 11:17:49
84.   Sagehen
73 - You're probably thinking of Billy Ashley, but he ended up platooning with Hollandsworth until Holly took over the position full-time (it helps to be left-handed if you're going to be platooned).
2007-03-22 11:20:25
85.   Bob Timmermann
65
Nope, never got a Rosary recital as penance. I usually just copped to lesser sins to get an easier penance.
2007-03-22 11:20:55
86.   Jon Weisman
Henson says it was his hand in the third inning - see above.
2007-03-22 11:20:56
87.   weatherman
78 - according to Retrosheet, they are the only trio to get the majority of starts for two consecutive years since Gibson, Shelby and Marshall. I am not sure what that says about our franchise.
2007-03-22 11:21:46
88.   bhsportsguy
Repko out again with hamstring strain.
2007-03-22 11:23:06
89.   underdog
I trust Henson over Jackson, so I'll go with hamstring.

Billy Ashley... that takes me back. "Ol' Stonehands," I used to call him.

2007-03-22 11:23:45
90.   weatherman
84 - thanks. yeah, he and Matt Luke occupy the same space in my brain.
2007-03-22 11:24:35
91.   dsfan
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Furcal has a "high ankle sprain." If Furcal has one of those, seem like he would be at less than full speed until May or maybe even June.
2007-03-22 11:26:35
92.   bhsportsguy
87 I wasn't making a judgment, historically, the club has done a good job with pitchers and infielders and catchers but outfielders have generally been brought over from other organizations.

This has been the story since a certain ToyCannon was brought over in 1974, Monday, Baker, Reggie Smith, Ken Landreaux, Gibson, Strawberry, E. Davis, Sheff, Shawn Green and Drew make up the best outfielders the club has had, with an occasional Mondesi or even Mike Marshall sneaking in.

2007-03-22 11:27:42
93.   ToyCannon
Probably both a hand injury and a hamstring strain.
2007-03-22 11:28:25
94.   Prescott Pete
Expecting a Nomar injury in three, two, one ...
2007-03-22 11:29:14
95.   Bob Timmermann
I have been named the new editor of the Opinion section of the LA Times.

There will now be more commentaries about punctuation.

2007-03-22 11:32:37
96.   Jon Weisman
Abreu is an option. See the bottom of Henson's story:

"Tony Abreu, who should be the second baseman at triple-A Las Vegas, has made a quick recovery from a bruised left shoulder and is ready to play."

2007-03-22 11:33:16
97.   bhsportsguy
95 Dear Editor:
Why don't your editorials contain more ... or !. There must be times when either are appropriate.

Free the puncuation marks aside from periods and commas, let loose the semicolons and question marks.

Thank you! And hopefully next time there will be more to come ...

2007-03-22 11:33:45
98.   ToyCannon
92
Kal Daniels, Milton Bradley, Andre Ethier, Lugo, and Pierre as additional imports.

Yikes, we must have the worse home grown outfielders in baseball over the last 35 years. Billy Bucker, Mondesi, and Marshall over 30 years who you could say were above average. Help me out, we can't be that bad.

Kemp has a huge history to buck here.

2007-03-22 11:34:52
99.   underdog
96 That's good news, at least. I assume Abreu can play short, too, yeah?
2007-03-22 11:37:41
100.   natepurcell
96

abreu would be a pretty good option. his bat is farther along then Hu and he is decent defensively at SS.

As much as I would love to have Betemit play SS with Laroche starting at 3b, I have serious doubts that Betemit has the physical ability to play SS anymore with how much he has grown.

Show/Hide Comments 101-150
2007-03-22 11:39:34
101.   bhsportsguy
98 I always found that strange but it has been that way since I started going to games in the mid-seventies.

Actually Guerrero would be on the list too, Lofton and Steve Finley.

2007-03-22 11:40:17
102.   overkill94
Betemit did play 18 games at SS last year, so he's at least somewhat of an option I would think. I remember that number vividly because if he'd played in 2 more games there he would qualify at SS in my league.
2007-03-22 11:41:17
103.   Jon Weisman
Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise:

Jason Repko, who was involved in the play with Furcal, has now left the game after diving for a ball on the warning track. He suffered what looked like a gash on his left forearm. ...

UPDATE: Repko has more than just a gash. Even worse for him, he pulled his left hamstring and was on crutches afterward. He will have an MRI on it tomorrow.

2007-03-22 11:44:33
104.   Michael D
Why is the guys we wouldn't so much aren't getting hurt, but our team MVP? I guess this is the kind of bad mojo you get when people start hoping Tomdrickson/Gonzalez have problems in the spring.
2007-03-22 11:45:09
105.   underdog
Meanwhile, when will the Joe "Erickson" Mays Experiment be over with?
2007-03-22 11:46:21
106.   D4P
105
Hopefully after a Tejada grand slam
2007-03-22 11:46:55
107.   D4P
106
Rats, just a double.
2007-03-22 11:47:08
108.   underdog
I was actually hoping Tomko and Hendy would have better than decent springs - so they can get traded. Does that bring on bad mojo, too? Maybe I should stop hoping for anything good or bad, other than Furcal and Repko getting healthy.
2007-03-22 11:48:37
109.   ToyCannon
101
I count Pedro as homegrown because when we acquired him from the Indians he was 18 and most of his dvlp came within the Dodgers minor leagues. So now we can drop Marshall off the list and the outfield of Buckner/Mondesi/Pedro is not so bad. Still over 30 years that is a terrible record.
2007-03-22 11:50:15
110.   bhsportsguy
As I said a few weeks ago, I just hope people get out of spring training healthy, their performances are usually not an issue unless they are competing for something.

Hopefully Raffy will be back soon.

2007-03-22 11:57:12
111.   Jon Weisman
The Dodgers have been outscored 41-3 this week.
2007-03-22 11:58:34
112.   Xeifrank
111. Does that mean we have the better kicking game?

7 updates up top? wow, is that a record? :)
vr, Xei

2007-03-22 11:59:43
113.   bhsportsguy
Homegrown Dodgers Lineup (Since 1972)
C - Piazza, Scioscia
1B - Garvey, Karros
2B - Lopes, Sax
3B - Cey, Beltre
SS - Russell, Duncan
OF - Buckner, Guerrero, Mondesi
SP - Sutton, Welch, Valenzuela, Hershiser, Ramon Martinez
RP - Steve Howe, Eric Gagne
MR - Alejandro Pena

Probably missed some guys, I did not consder Pedro Martinez and Hideo Nomo because one was traded before he broke out as a starter and Nomo had already been a good pitcher in Japan.

One thing is that really after the early '80s, outside the Piazza, Karros, Mondesi group, the farm system was really dry until last year.

2007-03-22 12:02:34
114.   ToyCannon
We should make up an overhyped team since 72.
I know Dave Anderson, Jeff Hamilton, Greg Brock, Franklin Stubbs, Roger Cedeno, Jose Offerman, Candido Maldonado, Karim Garcia, Jose Gonzales, and Rudy Law would make my list.
2007-03-22 12:03:27
115.   underdog
Dave Anderson, first round draft choice.

That always makes me giggle for some reason.

2007-03-22 12:06:22
116.   trainwreck
Jason Repko is our Alfred Aboya.
2007-03-22 12:06:52
117.   bhsportsguy
113 Same goes for Konerko.

The lineup many want to see:
C- Martin
1B - Loney
2B - Abreu
SS - Furcal
3B - La Roche
LF - Mattingly (ok, a little projection)
CF - Kemp
RF - Ethier

SP - Billingsley, Elbert, Kershaw, Kuo, (Lowe, Schmidt, someone)
RP - Broxton, Meloan, Brazoban, Miller.

It may be 2009 before the Dodgers have something resembling this.

2007-03-22 12:07:21
118.   Greg Brock
Well, at least I didn't miss anything important so far. So I guess they either play Abreu, play Valdez (eep), or trade half of Tomdrickson for a lesser shortstop who probably wouldn't match Abreu's productivity. May you live in interesting times, I guess.

And the school in RB went with a long term sub instead of hiring a full time teacher (bitter).

2007-03-22 12:08:24
119.   bhsportsguy
116 Aboya has a better injury record. Also Repko may have better hands. I would gladly walk down a alley with Aboya at my side.
2007-03-22 12:09:24
120.   bhsportsguy
118 Did you see the note on your astronaut crush getting a new job?
2007-03-22 12:09:45
121.   Greg Brock
114 Billy Ashley and General Soreness.
2007-03-22 12:10:53
122.   ToyCannon
Dave Anderson career 630 OPS. Minor league career OPS was 828 with a high of 1062.

When Costas was making fun of the 88 team he was the poster child.

2007-03-22 12:11:22
123.   Sam DC
118 Their loss; sorry to hear about it.
2007-03-22 12:12:43
124.   bhsportsguy
122 I always crack up with the idea that he was the on-deck batter when Davis walked in the bottom of 9th.
2007-03-22 12:13:13
125.   saltcreek
Im a little worried a guy like Steve Trachsel can shut us out.
2007-03-22 12:13:33
126.   trainwreck
119
Aboya is quite good at injuring teammates because of how hard he plays. He also always has messed up fingers or something, but plays through it. His hand was all wrapped up last night for practice.
2007-03-22 12:13:50
127.   Sam DC
Chat now with Kevin Love:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=15082

2007-03-22 12:14:55
128.   trainwreck
Sorry to hear the news Brock. You will be back!
2007-03-22 12:15:17
129.   ToyCannon
121
How could I forget General Soreness. Career minor league OPS of 1019. Career Major league OPS 767. I knew when he hit a ball of the top of the wall in his 1st at bat he was doomed to failure. Same with Offerman.
2007-03-22 12:16:12
130.   Greg Brock
120 Yeah, I saw that! Looks like ole Brock is taking a trip out to Texas!

I wonder how quickly I can get there without stopping? I know a way of avoiding bathroom stops...

2007-03-22 12:16:34
131.   Marty
From reading all the posts here it sounds like Repko literally came apart at the seams.
2007-03-22 12:17:31
132.   Sam DC
Kevin Durant is younger than Kevin Love?

Kevin Love's favorite player growing up was Larry Bird?

Kevin Love first dunked when he was 13 and it was in a game (really??).

If not a Bruin, Kevin Love would be . . . you'll have to click through, but it's a kind of dog.

Seems like a really nice, smart kid.

2007-03-22 12:19:13
133.   trainwreck
Tubby Smith just accepted the Minnesota job.
2007-03-22 12:21:33
134.   Sam DC
Sam (San Diego, CA): Being the biggest recruit for UCLA in recent memory, how are you going to handle all the attention from the hotties out and about in Westwood?

Kevin Love: (3:17 PM ET ) Dear Hotties: My primary focus is basketball, but maybe I can work you into my schedule. :-)

2007-03-22 12:22:34
135.   underdog
Did the Dodgers actually score 2 runs or is that a Gameday error?

Hallelujah, 2 runs!

2007-03-22 12:22:47
136.   Jon Weisman
Greg, you can come work at DT, Inc. The pay stinks but at least there are no benefits.
2007-03-22 12:26:07
137.   Sagehen
113 One thing is that really after the early '80s, outside the Piazza, Karros, Mondesi group, the farm system was really dry until last year.

Konerko (as mentioned in 117) and Beltre.

I still remember that brief period when we saw both of them up and in the lineup at the same time. The future never looked so bright, even with the horrid FOX trade.

The farm system would not look so weak if Konerko hadn't been given away and Beltre hadn't had that botched surgery.

2007-03-22 12:28:23
138.   underdog
134 Look out Westwood, here comes K-Love and Special Sauce.
2007-03-22 12:30:14
139.   Greg Brock
137 Every time something goes wrong among my friends, we call it a "Dominican Appendectomy."

Me: Hey, how did your LSAT go?
Friend: Dude, it was a total Dominican Appendectomy

2007-03-22 12:30:25
140.   Sam DC
I once competed with the drummer in that band (G-Love) for a fine English gal's affections.

The drummer swept that girl away.

(But she and I were sure good friends.)

2007-03-22 12:33:56
141.   trainwreck
My friend was so sad when G-Love did that Coca Cola commercial.
2007-03-22 12:34:30
142.   ToyCannon
Dodger baseball this week has been a "Dominican Appendectomy".
2007-03-22 12:35:27
143.   GoBears
Aboya is a really nice kid. Smart and very conscientious. He took a class with me last year, and I had several long conversations with him. I still root for UCLA to lose every game (well, except against U$C), but I'm an Aboya fan.
2007-03-22 12:35:46
144.   bhsportsguy
137 But we got the hittable Jeff Shaw because you cannot finish out of the playoffs without a closer.
2007-03-22 12:36:14
145.   Greg Brock
142 Amen.

Well, lunch is over. I'll try to chime in if Loney is hit by a meteor or Saito is decapitated in the bullpen.

What a nightmare.

2007-03-22 12:37:20
146.   bhsportsguy
141 G-Love was probably very happy about it.

140 Jon Stewart said that the world's worst bass player will always get more women than the world's best comedian.

2007-03-22 12:39:47
147.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Groan
2007-03-22 12:40:25
148.   Sam DC
146 But I was a bartender! That counts for something, right?
2007-03-22 12:40:34
149.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 139

Groan again. Who knows how Beltre's career would have turned out if it wasn't for that operation.

WWSH

2007-03-22 12:42:42
150.   ToyCannon
ESPN reports that Papelbon will be moved to the bullpen thus opening up a spot in the rotation. Hendrickson for ???
Show/Hide Comments 151-200
2007-03-22 12:44:49
151.   GoBears
150. Manny. If we're going to make stuff up, might as well enjoy it.
2007-03-22 12:46:06
152.   ToyCannon
144
Didn't Trading Tom give up Lilly, Konerko, and Wetteland during his far to long tenure as GM?
2007-03-22 13:00:11
153.   Vishal
weight be damned, i'd like to see betemit at ss and la roche at 3rd until furcal heals. maybe on days when lowe pitches we can have martinez or valdez manning short, but unless somebody shows me otherwise, i don't think the dropoff is that significant. i mean, how fat is betemit anyway?
2007-03-22 13:02:23
154.   trainwreck
He has a week and a half to get on Atkins.
2007-03-22 13:03:58
155.   Vishal
[153] okay, as a follow-up i just looked at the photo gallery. dude does NOT look fat. he looks athletic.
2007-03-22 13:08:16
156.   GoBears
155. I don't know the answer, but I gather that the observation was of Betemit having a tough time playing 3b, in part because he didn't look that quick. So maybe sluggish got translated as "too big."
2007-03-22 13:09:32
157.   Sagehen
152 I think Wetteland was earlier. Wasn't he part of the Eric Davis trade?
2007-03-22 13:10:19
158.   regfairfield
153 Let's say Furcal is out for a month, and Betemit is an absolute butcher with the glove. Say an 85 rate2. If Valdez/Martinez is average defensively (100 rate2), the Dodgers will allow a little more than three extra runs with Betemit at short.

I have to believe that La Roche is worth far more than three runs in a month than our no hit utility players.

2007-03-22 13:14:05
159.   regfairfield
Using Martinez as an example, since he has a PECOTA card, LaRoche should contribute .234 more runs per game offensively than Martinez. Assuming 22 games in the month, La Roche is worth 5.15 more runs than Martinez offensively. Going strictly by those numbers, it's worth it to play Betemit at short, even if he is terrible.
2007-03-22 13:15:09
160.   bhsportsguy
158 I realize I may pounding my head in the wall here but has La Roche done ANYTHING this spring to justify him starting in L.A. next month.

Granted, he has done the job at every level and even last April in AA, he was horrible so maybe he needs sometime to get started.

But this is not a James Loney situation, heck Tony Abreu was playing better, Andy has to go down, brush off this Spring and start to play well in Vegas, 3B will be here when he is ready.

2007-03-22 13:16:44
161.   bhsportsguy
LaRussa's mug shot is on ESPN.com, the guy should have taken a cab.
2007-03-22 13:17:48
162.   Sagehen
152

www.baseball-reference.com: Carlos Perez, Mark Grudzielanek, Hiram Bocachica for Ted Lilly, Wilton Guerrero, Peter Bergeron, and Jonathan Tucker.

From my memory: Shaw for Konerko and Reyes, but I'll double-check in a second.

2007-03-22 13:23:20
163.   underdog
160 I feel the same way, bh. I think La Roche needs more seasoning, and his fielding this spring didn't help any. Again, spring training stats may not mean much but I was more impressed with Abreu both bat and glove than I was with La Roche this spring. He needs a little time in the minors before getting major league starts. I'd be happy with Nomar, Abreu Kent and Loney and/or Betemit filling in where needed, until Furcal's back.
2007-03-22 13:27:29
164.   Marty
Besides, if La Roche is on the big club something would happen to him. Rhino attack or some such.
2007-03-22 13:27:39
165.   Vishal
[160] fine, if not la roche then put nomar at third, betemit at short, and let loney man first base.

i just really don't want to see martinez or valdez wind up with a starting job for a month or however long furcal is out. hell, maybe even give chin-lung hu a shot.

2007-03-22 13:28:49
166.   ToyCannon
159
Yes that sounds reasonable. So most DT posters seem to think the reasonable solution is Betemit at SS with:
A. La Roche moving 3rd, no other changes.
B. Nomar moving to 3rd, Loney to 1st.

I'm on board for option B just because I think Loney is ready to contribute offensively and defensively right now and I'm not so sure La Roche is. With Loney at 1st, I think he'll be able to help out the wild throws from Nomar.

Using Valdez or Ramon at SS for anything more then a week or two is probably not the optimal solution but probably the one Ned will go with. I am in fear that Ned will make a panic trade and we have no more JtD to just throw away unless he can turn Tomko or Hendrickson into a fungible SS. Barmes at Colorado would be a decent solution for Hendrickson. Not that Barmes is anything to get excited about but he is better then Valdez or Ramon. Maybe

2007-03-22 13:30:08
167.   GoBears
160. You say that almost as if ST performance were an indication of anything other than non-death. La Roche continues to live (and walk!). That's all we've learned over the last few weeks.
2007-03-22 13:32:49
168.   trainwreck
La Roche has started to press on defense and it has messed him up. Once he relaxes, he would play a better third base than Betemit.
2007-03-22 13:33:39
169.   GoBears
166. Ewww. Hendrickson for Barmes sound just yucky enough to be likely. Good thing I finished my lunch.
2007-03-22 13:34:14
170.   GoBears
I should have said "just pointless and yucky enough." It's not like I'm a Hendrickson fan.
2007-03-22 13:37:24
171.   still bevens
Looks like Furcal's sprain isnt too heinous according to Henson.

"Furcal writhed in pain after the play and was taken from the field on a mechanized cart. He was taken to a hospital for X-rays, which showed no break or ligament damage. He will be re-evaluated in a day or two after the swelling has subsided."

2007-03-22 13:40:13
172.   ToyCannon
I'd rather it be a pointless trade then something like Kuo for Barmes, or Kuo for Berroa, or Kuo for Blum, or Kuo for Cintron if you get my drift.

The roto world is taking the Furcal injury very hard. The NFBC draft was last weekend and many teams drafted Furcal in the 3rd or 4th round counting on him to be the stolen base anchor. If he's gone for 8 weeks and his speed is effected their season is already toast before it started. Not a good way to blow $1300.

2007-03-22 13:43:33
173.   GoBears
171. Yeah....Colletti should still trade Clayton Kershaw for Royce Clayton, just to be safe. That trade may LOOK balanced (one Clayton for another), but it nets a proven veteran defensive presence who wants to win for an unproven stat-hungry nobody.

Who's with me?

...someone revive Nate.

2007-03-22 13:44:10
174.   Vishal
i spent a 4th round pick on furcal in a fantasy draft the other day. ah well. i'm glad it's apparently not too serious.
2007-03-22 13:51:50
175.   Jon Weisman
On KFWB, A Martinez said the Dodgers expect Furcal back within a week, but are proceeding on the notion that Repko will be out past Opening Day. If that were true, crisis averted - in fact, maybe the roster would include both Larry Bigbie and James Loney.
2007-03-22 13:54:34
176.   Andrew Shimmin
If La Roche isn't ready, but gets the call up anyway, what will that mean? Will he be worse than Ramon Martinez, because he isn't ready? Valdez isn't ready, and probably won't ever be. I'm not sure 'ready' is a useful concept.
2007-03-22 13:57:44
177.   Bumsrap
Hendrickson for Barmes. It could happen.

I would be entertained if Nomar were at third, Abreu at ss, Loney at first.

2007-03-22 14:00:14
178.   Bumsrap
175 and Valdez
2007-03-22 14:00:43
179.   bhsportsguy
I would go with Nomar at 3B but I would like to see him at least take a ground ball there first.
2007-03-22 14:00:45
180.   goblue1
175

Holy Cow, lets hope thats even clsoe to being true.... Great news.
Id be happen if he is 100% May 1, honestly.

2007-03-22 14:00:45
181.   Vishal
are the dodgers still on kfwb? i thought they switched radio stations
2007-03-22 14:01:02
182.   goblue1
happy
2007-03-22 14:02:55
183.   bhsportsguy
175 As long as the words high and ankle sprain are not connected, that probably is a reasonable estimate, games don't count for 11 days so I think he will play in Milwaukee. If he doesn't play next week, look for Raffy to be put on the DL retroactive to tomorrow with his return during the SF series or the home opener.
2007-03-22 14:03:22
184.   Andrew Shimmin
181- Next year. This is the last year of the contract.
2007-03-22 14:04:15
185.   bhsportsguy
183 That DL manuever is probable for Repko too.
2007-03-22 14:06:35
186.   delias man
you all laughed at me and came with your weak stats about repko when i said he would fall down and hurt himself trying to steal a base.. .then he takes down their best player with him...
2007-03-22 14:06:46
187.   bhsportsguy
184 The problem will be, which station do they go to, the one that makes the most sense is 1580 the Ticket but I doubt they would pay enough for the rights, KLAC already has conflcts with the Lakers and UCLA while KSPN has the Angels (though they are in the last year of their deal with them, Moreno probably will move them to his own station).
2007-03-22 14:09:50
188.   JoeyP
Spring Training games dont really matter, but this stat is pretty incredible:

Dodgers have been outscored 41-3 in their last 5 games (0-5).

2007-03-22 14:12:34
189.   Andrew Shimmin
188- I read that somewhere.
2007-03-22 14:12:36
190.   bhsportsguy
188 Jon noted that above.
2007-03-22 14:14:29
191.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the song "Demolition Man" was written in anticipation of the baseball career of Jason Repko.
2007-03-22 14:16:08
192.   Greg Brock
If Mike Marshall is General Soreness, then Jason Repko is Captain Chaos.

Tomdrickson is Corporal Punishment.

2007-03-22 14:19:59
193.   ToyCannon
Is it ironic that Repko could end up losing more time to his injury then Furcal? I don't want to have everyone go Alanis on me if I use the term incorrectly.
2007-03-22 14:23:17
194.   thinkblue0
what about...Nomar at SS (gasp!) Betemit at third, kent at second, and Loney at first.

It really really REALLY irritates me when guys get hurt so close to the season.

2007-03-22 14:23:34
195.   Andrew Shimmin
193- Only if he was trying to take Furry out.
2007-03-22 14:24:06
196.   blue22
172 - Sounds like Angel Berroa could get released (or at least buried on the bench), so it's very doubtful that it would take Kuo to get him. Hendrickson is a more likely swap. Hopefully Furcal isn't out long enough to necessitate an outside replacement.
2007-03-22 14:27:17
197.   blue22
Has there been any indication from the FO that a scenario exists that moves Nomar off firstbase? SS or even 3B seems to be very wishful thinking.
2007-03-22 14:29:44
198.   Bob Timmermann
Ironically, I stopped worry about Alanis Morrissette
2007-03-22 14:30:03
199.   Don Tordilla
AP article has been updated:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2808405

Furcal: "I was relieved with the results. I had a similar injury in 2002 with the Braves in spring training," Furcal said. "I may be out four or five days. I could play if it's 80 percent. You don't always play at 100 percent -- sometimes you play hurt."

2007-03-22 14:33:11
200.   Jon Weisman
199 - Welcome, and thank you.
Show/Hide Comments 201-250
2007-03-22 14:36:26
201.   twerp
From sidebar of SI.com's article picking the Dodgers to win the division==

"In his rookie season last year closer Takashi Saito put up a 3.73 ERA against NL West opponents but a microscopic 0.24 mark against teams from other divisions. Why the huge discrepancy? The 37-year-old Saito, who had never been a full-time closer during his 14-year career with the Yokohama BayStars franchise of the Japanese Central League, relies heavily on getting batters to chase a slider that he rarely throws in the strike zone; it's a neat trick but one that quickly wears thin the more times opponents face him.

"Manager Grady Little should consider using hard-throwing 22-year-old Jonathan Broxton as his closer against the West, reserving Saito for the rest of a league that doesn't see Los Angeles quite as often. After his May 1 call-up last season, Broxton settled into the Dodgers' setup role and struck out 97 in 76 1/3 innings."

http://tinyurl.com/2l3ej9

2007-03-22 14:36:54
202.   underdog
The thought of Angel Berroa as a Dodger almost made me toss my lunch, even more than Barmes. Berroa is terrible, terrible. We'd be better off with any of the 6-7 in house options, or frankly, with me at SS.

At any rate, before we (or they) panic too much sounds like we should really get a better gauge on the extent of Furcal's injury. My guess is from what it sounds like, the Dodgers will go in house and not panic. I just hope they can trade at least half of Tomdricksonko before too long, and today's Tomko didn't help his value much.

2007-03-22 14:38:09
203.   underdog
202 And it sounds like we now do have a better sense of the injury, so I can keep my lunch in its proper place.
2007-03-22 14:47:36
204.   D4P
it doesn't look good for Furcal leading off at Milwaukee on April 2

Phew. Good thing we've got two leadoff hitters.

2007-03-22 14:50:17
205.   GoBears
204. Yeah, because otherwise we'd have to start with the #2 hitter, and one out.

Oh, wait...

2007-03-22 14:54:26
206.   D4P
As it is, we'll only have to start with the #2 hitter and one out 70% of the time
2007-03-22 14:58:00
207.   trainwreck
70% is being generous.
2007-03-22 14:58:28
208.   GoBears
Man, it's a good thing he wants to win... If 29 is veteran enough for ol' Trips Gonzales, that is.
2007-03-22 14:59:53
209.   blue22
207 - I think even JP can muster a .300 OBP (unless we were talking about Berroa as leadoff).
2007-03-22 15:01:28
210.   D4P
70% is being generous

Like my appreciation for Onslow, my philanthropy knows no bounds.

But you may be right: with an IsoD of 0.000, expecting him to hit .300 for the Dodgers might be overly optimistic.

2007-03-22 15:01:35
211.   Steve
The Dodger Injury Conversion Chart(TM) is a harsh mistress, but even harder on players who are in denial about their injuries (i.e., Gagne)
2007-03-22 15:06:37
212.   thinkblue0
the quote from Furcal sounds uplifting...but please for the love of god don't come back too early. We've had enough of that. Sit out a week if you need it.

Someone posted something about if the organization has said anything about moving Nomar off first...correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Little bring up the possibility that he could get moved around? If we've gotta move Nomar around the infield for a couple weeks to get Loney some AB's I would be fine with it.

2007-03-22 15:07:11
213.   bhsportsguy
Furcal was off by a year (2003) but he was right about the timing.
2007-03-22 15:13:17
214.   blue22
212 - Yeah I was asking about Nomar. I hadn't heard anything recently (as in, all of ST). I would think that it would take a combination of Betemit, Furcal, and La Roche being unable to play to get Nomar off first and across the diamond, but maybe not.
2007-03-22 15:13:19
215.   Andrew Shimmin
210- Try as hard as you like, you'll never have as many philanthropies as Bridgette.
2007-03-22 15:29:00
216.   twerp
214. FWIW, Dodgers.com item very early in ST had Nomar telling Grady he was willing to play where needed.
2007-03-22 15:30:15
217.   D4P
215
Try as hard as I like, I'll never get that joke.
2007-03-22 15:30:37
218.   still bevens
216 Yeah I thought that was one of the big excuses for us re-signing Nomar.
2007-03-22 15:31:02
219.   ToyCannon
207
If JP has a lifetime OBP of 350 aren't we talking .650 instead of 700 or is there a new math I'm unfamiliar with? If you want to use last years 330 were still talking 670. I understand the need to dump on JP but can we at least stay in the realm of reality when doing so.
2007-03-22 15:33:56
220.   trainwreck
D4P meant batting average not on base, even if it was not worded that way.
2007-03-22 15:35:32
221.   GoBears
216/218. Yes, that was mentioned. But I think blue22 is right - we're not likely to see Nomar anywhere but 1b unless about 6 things go wrong.

Which means that Kevin Bacon will be involved somehow, right?

2007-03-22 15:35:51
222.   ToyCannon
We only care about OBP here unless we want to make a point and OBP doesn't work then we use batting average. I get it.
2007-03-22 15:36:29
223.   D4P
219
From 2001 to 2002, his OBP dropped by 46 points. From 2004 to 2005, his OBP dropped by 48 points.

A 30 point drop from 2006 to 2007 doesn't seem completely unrealistic.

2007-03-22 15:37:21
224.   D4P
D4P meant batting average not on base

No, I meant OBP, but I forgot the rule against making jokes.

2007-03-22 15:39:07
225.   trainwreck
I guess my dreams of being a mindreader are over.
2007-03-22 15:41:38
226.   trainwreck
At least, I predicted you would love Onslow.
2007-03-22 15:44:10
227.   GoBears
222. No, D4P WAS talking about OBP. And the tongue-in-cheek part is in 210, which "predicts" an OBP of only .300, given his apparenty quest to amass zero walks this season (apparent from his ST performance). With no walks, a .300 OBP would require a .300 BA, which is unlikely. So more likely that .300 OBP would combine a .280 BA with a sprinking of free passes.

Of course, this was an exaggeration, because we know that JP will not REALLY try to get zero walks during the regular season. This is just ST, so clearly, he was just working on new ways to make outs. That doesn't mean he'll actually try them all in games that count.

Pierre will walk intentionally 5-10 times late in games when goofy-Grady double switches have left a relief pitcher in the 3-hole, with no PHs left on the bench.

2007-03-22 15:44:45
228.   GoBears
er, SPRINKLING. Not sure what a sprinking is.
2007-03-22 15:48:41
229.   Steve
Usually D4P doesn't have any point at all, so this is a great improvement for him.
2007-03-22 15:48:50
230.   Andrew Shimmin
217- Well, I botched it, a little, since it was Megan, not Bridgette. Starting at 204:

https://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/586837.html

2007-03-22 15:51:07
231.   twerp
Another FWIW....it's just spring training, today's injuries may change the situation, and all that.

But of the Dodgers' 4 hits today, 3 were by players who may not be on the opening day roster--Valdez, Loney, and Bigbie. Nomar had the other.

2007-03-22 15:55:46
232.   D4P
Usually D4P doesn't have any point at all

I usually make my point after the 4th word in my posts

230
How quickly we forget

2007-03-22 16:04:38
233.   Steve
How quickly we forget

I actually got through this one. Too bad it doesn't have a point.

2007-03-22 16:13:38
234.   PDH5204
201 Does SI actually review the game logs? If the stated premise is correct, then we ought to see less runs early and more runs late. However, the last five last year were against the West and Saito pitched an inning in all five, gave up two hits, and struck out 9. Saito's numbers against the West are skewed simply because he plays in the division more and so there's more likely that if he gets bombed, it will be by a team in the West. Sure enough, we have 9/18 and 7/26 against SD, for three runs each game, 7/5 against Ariz for two runs, and then all the way back to May 2 and 4 against Ariz and SD, with two runs and three runs given up, respectively. From 8/9 through 8/27, Saito appeared in 10 games against Colo, SF and Ariz, pitching 9 innnings and giving up a lone run on 8/10 against Colo [on one hit, with no walks, while striking out two]. So the premise of the SI article is false and you can tell SI that I said so.
2007-03-22 16:16:57
235.   underdog
I wonder if DT Rule #7 will ever be fully complied with? ;-)

Meanwhile, we should start a DT Dodgers' opening day roster pool, trying to guess the few open spots and who else will get injured.

2007-03-22 16:17:07
236.   GoBears
and you can tell SI that I said so.

Yeah, that'll show 'em.

2007-03-22 16:33:04
237.   Marty
Our favorite math wiz looking pretty nice:

http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2007/03/well_played_win.html#more

2007-03-22 16:40:35
238.   trainwreck
Go fug yourself? What kind of sites do you visit?
2007-03-22 16:41:46
239.   PDH5204
236 It most certainly won't, but it does get irritating when we see Saito pitch lights out last year and he ends up well down on the list for Cy Young voting. It's irritating because people who are supposed to know [it's their job] apparently can't be bothered to read the box scores the next morning for purposes of updating themselves re just what occurred on the West Coast the night before while they were sleeping. And, sorry, but not my fault that the game logs in no way support the underlying premise of the SI piece, but on the contrary, prove just the opposite. Or if you prefer, not only do some apparently not read the box scores the following morning, it further appears that the same some also do not bother to review the game logs to see if the data supports the hypothesis. If the some went to UCLA as undergrads, they were probably found on north campus and not south campus, else they would have learned to not posit a proposition not supported by by the underlying data. Lastly, I was not otherwise blaming the poster here, who ought to be entitled to rely on those holding themselves out as expert, and so I am blaming the purported but not expert[s].
2007-03-22 16:41:56
240.   Marty
It's actually one of my daily visits. Right after Defamer
2007-03-22 16:45:57
241.   trainwreck
Is the site about attractive women wearing weird clothing?
2007-03-22 16:47:31
242.   trainwreck
Or just celebs that wear dumb clothes?
2007-03-22 16:56:54
243.   Marty
mostly celebs that wear dumb clothes. She ws actually praising Danica or I wouldn't have linked to it.
2007-03-22 17:12:25
244.   twerp
234. Maybe it'd be better if you told them==

letters@si.timeinc.com

You've done your homework. You might get a reply. You never know.

I'd like to hear more about why the SI writer thinks batters won't continue to chase Saito's slider..as if Saito couldn't adjust also, if needed.

Getting "familiar" with a closer is a relative thing. Pitching only an inning or so every couple days, then moving on to the next team on the schedule, a closer isn't likely to face a given batter often enough to lose his edge of keeping the batter guessing, IMO. Yeah, teams in his division will see him more often, but still...

Familiarity hasn't seemed to help NL West batters a whole lot against Hoffman and Fuentes and maybe a few others. Saito may not be a Gagne at his awesome peak, but he flat out has gotten the job done so far.

2007-03-22 17:24:02
245.   Jon Weisman
Tony Jackson has gone with irony (second paragraph):

http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/6650087.html

2007-03-22 17:25:13
246.   Andrew Shimmin
If regfairfield were serious about getting 1% of the best Dodger blog vote, he could release his gameday poaching machine on the Saito pitch by pitch data.
2007-03-22 17:36:26
247.   underdog
Meanwhile, old friend Jayson Werth returns to his roots as a catcher, at least temporarily and probably not too seriously:
http://tinyurl.com/ypgwga
2007-03-22 17:40:36
248.   TheDictator
Too bad to hear about Jason Werthko. Maybe when he returns the Dodgers will finally have that power bat they have been desperately seeking. :-)
2007-03-22 17:46:00
249.   Disabled List
PDH5204 is kinda like DT's version of old-school Dennis Miller or Bill Hicks. Smart, funny, and prone to rants.

Just don't have a political conversion and become incredibly unfunny, like Dennis did. Or die, like Bill did.

2007-03-22 17:59:03
250.   SCRocks
234
239

I totally agree with you and that is exactly what I was researching but you beat me to it.

What really bugs me about what is quoted in 201. Is the comment "relies heavily on getting batters to chase a slider that he rarely throws in the strike zone" Saito actually throws that backdoor slider for strikes most the time. Had you seen him pitch last year at all you would have seen that.

cr

Show/Hide Comments 251-300
2007-03-22 18:02:37
251.   Andrew Shimmin
Just getting to the Kevin Goldstein chat from yesterday, Dan Evans gets his endorsement for a GM job. The question was about Seattle, which would be a double bonus: Bavasi getting the boot, and Evans working in the AL.
2007-03-22 18:04:19
252.   Sam DC
Nationals beat writer Barry Svrluga, participating in the comments at his post.com blog:

Good point on the released pitchers. I have inquired about Paul Wilson, and it appears the Nationals do not have interest. But if there's a Mark Hendrickson or a Brett Tomko or someone else like that, they could make a change very late.

2007-03-22 18:22:17
253.   trainwreck
Latest update by Gurnick says that Kuo has been hurting his last two starts.
2007-03-22 18:22:47
254.   trainwreck
He is having shoulder pain.
2007-03-22 18:24:40
255.   Sam DC
The discussion continues at Nationals Journal.

Bethesda says: "i would love to get mark hendrickson. but the dodgers would have to release him or the nats would have to make a trade for him."

Hondo Lives says: "I can't see the Dodgers giving either Hendrickson or Tomko away, especially with Penny's shoulder situation. LA's looking to fortify its pen in front of Broxton and Saito, and I bet they'd ask for Wagner or Rauch in return for one of the starters. Tomko's age makes a trade for him something that wouldn't make sense, but would a Hendrickson for Wagner deal work for the Nats?"

2007-03-22 18:30:32
256.   mountainmover
Dateline: Dodgertown, March 22, 2007

I have been here for 3 games and here's a partial report:

1. We suck!

2. Three players have impressed me with their bats: Valdez, La Roche and Bigbee.

3. I had a 15 minute chat with Fay Vincent yesterday and I talked with Bill Shelly today for about a half an hour. Vincent is a very cool guy - Shelly is just a baseball junkie.

4. Abreu looked great yesterday (2 back-to-back jacks in BP).

5. Matt Kemp has a "hot mom."

6. Tomko, Hendricksoon, Kuo and Mays do not want (nor do they deserve) the Number 5 spot - Bring C-Bill back!

7. What does Grady Little do?

8. I've got Elbert's signature by itself on 1 ball - BTW- He looks 18!

9. I bought the very last "Dodgertown" book.

10. It' sad to have to leave here, but it is necessary.

More next week!

2007-03-22 18:34:32
257.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Baseball America picks us to win the NL West, and even talks about Martin being a contender for MVP:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/features/263520.html

Also, a great interview with Schilling Jon linked to...

WWSH

2007-03-22 18:51:03
258.   Jon Weisman
253 - Thanks. Added it to the pile.
2007-03-22 19:03:57
259.   Jon Weisman
Probably no one cares tonight, but Kobe has 46 points with 11:30 to go.
2007-03-22 19:30:04
260.   GoBears
And now he has 57, with 2:18 to go. At least according to Sportsline.
2007-03-22 19:37:35
261.   Steve
Speaking of things nobody cares about, what's going on at the LA Times is extraordinarily silly, even by usual LA Times standards.
2007-03-22 19:39:32
262.   GoBears
Finished with 60. The rest of the team did manage to outscore him, with a combined 62.

261. Whassat?

2007-03-22 19:43:06
263.   Andrew Shimmin
Could be anything, but I think Steve means this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/us/23martinez.html?ref=business

2007-03-22 19:46:14
264.   Greg Brock
I figured anything this messed up at the LA Times would have to involve Michael Kinsley.

Obviously, this is not the case.

2007-03-22 19:46:30
265.   Steve
Anything Brian Grazer did on the editorial pages would be 20 times more interesting than the crap the Times turns out on a daily basis. But every five years or so, the Times needs a good self-flagellation/ego boost to pretend that its journalistic integrity is still intact.
2007-03-22 19:51:54
266.   Jon Weisman
laobserved.com broke the story and has been all over it.
2007-03-22 19:54:14
267.   GoBears
But you gotta like this turn of phrase:

made his tenure "untenable."

Or not.

2007-03-22 19:54:30
268.   StolenMonkey86
259 - glad somebody's healthy
2007-03-22 20:02:20
269.   Steve
It could have been handled in one of two ways:

1) Scratch the entire thing, embarrassing a major Hollywood figure who didn't do anything wrong, subjecting us to the same nonsensical opinion section that we have to read every week, start a self-congratulatory noise chamber about journalistic ethics, enlist the aid of pompous blatherers who have nothing better to do than furrow their brows at non-scandals, sensationally force the editorial page editor out, followed (no doubt) by a new hire who pledges to uphold the high standards we've come to expect from the LA Times, followed by another self-congratulatory noise chamber about how wonderful the LA Times is.

2) Put a note in the lower right hand corner of the third page on Sunday disclosing who the editorial page editor is sleeping with.

Sure, #1 was clearly the way to go.

2007-03-22 20:15:56
270.   oldfan60
Put Furcal on the 15 day. Put Repko on the 60 day DL. That opens up a spot in the 40 man roster. Repko to be out (whether healthy or not) until after the All Star game. Let Bigbie and Valdez start the season with the Dodgers.
2007-03-22 20:21:27
271.   oldfan60
I have a devilish plan for the Dodgers to be able to use a 26 man roster. This is based on the fact that I keep reading (on the boxscore) that Saenz pitched the ninth inning. Apparently, these guys cannot tell saenz and Seanez apart. Keep a 26 man roster with both of them. Just don't use them at the same time.
2007-03-22 20:21:49
272.   trainwreck
I wish the Red Sox had someone stupid in charge, because right now they are going to go with Tavarez as their 5th man.
2007-03-22 20:24:29
273.   Greg Brock
271 Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

You, sir, have a plan. And I like it.

2007-03-22 20:46:06
274.   underdog
The only thing sillier than what is going on at the LA Times is what has been going on with my hometown newspaper, the Santa Barbara News Press. Incredibly sad. (Google it...)

5th starter struggles and woes of late or not, I'm up for trading Tomko or Hendrickson to the Nats but not sure what Wagner gives us that we don't already have or have in the minors. Can't they just give the Dodgers some money that they can use to solve the parking situation? ;-)

2007-03-22 20:57:41
275.   PDH5204
250 Thanks for the kind word and I too thought that something was rather amiss with the outside the zone comment, but since I didn't have the underlying data [the film] to support the hypothesis, I didn't comment on that part.

Now, to be fair to SI, here is a good piece on Saito, though presumably for purposes of us having an easier read and not otherwise boring us with too much detail, certain info is left out when it comes to just how and when Saito came to be closer:

http://tinyurl.com/28eqzx

244 Glad that you did not take personal offense as none was intended. I also thought what you thought re just how much familiarity there might be given the limited occasion to view the man pitch and then not seeing him for a while. But as both you and the SI article otherwise allude to, fine, they might adjust, but so can he, and it appears that he does have two more pitches that none of us has seen yet. Lastly, I will take your advice and email SI, castigating them for the one piece and praising them for the other [nothing like a little balance in life].

Sorry, one more. I wasn't otherwise trying to slight Broxton, since I picked him for my fantasy team after I took Saito and before I took Fuentes.

2007-03-22 20:57:42
276.   Terry A
Bob Timmermann (your life is calling),

In a previous thread, you asked for reasons to visit Arkansas. I forwarded your request to my friends in my city's Chamber of Commerce. Here are their responses:

1) Frank "Jelly" Nash, famed mobster and colleague of Pretty Boy Floyd, is buried here. (Nash was killed in Kansas City's "Union Station Massacre.")

2) Our city has a truly unique name, crafted as a hybrid of the names of two railroad tycoons from the 1800s.

3) One of our schools just won the state basketball tournament.

4) There is at least one Timmermann within easy driving distance of our city.

5) We're about to get a Chili's.

6) Major leaguers Weldon Bowlin and Marlin Stuart were born here. (But, to be fair, we haven't seen either of 'em lately.)

Let me know when you're planning to visit. You can crash in our bonus room if you want.

2007-03-22 21:04:26
277.   Terry A
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Kentucky Headhunters got their start right here.

Right here, Bob.

The. Kentucky. Headhunters.

2007-03-22 21:15:00
278.   trainwreck
Wow, a Chilis.
2007-03-22 21:18:24
279.   Terry A
Shhhh! If word gets out, pretty soon everybody will have one.

Also, I failed to mention that our city is home to the person who holds the record for the longest sentence ever written at DT. Some 316 words, IIRC.

2007-03-22 21:22:57
280.   Bob Timmermann
Can't I just pass through Arkansas on the way to Louisiana?
2007-03-22 21:29:18
281.   Terry A
If you want to ignore Mary Steenburgen's hometown or bypass Jerry Van Dyke's ranch, that's a decision you'll have to live with.
2007-03-22 21:40:57
282.   Greg Brock
On my cross country trip in 1999, my car broke down in Forest City, Arkansas. I was stuck there three days. I had a tough time finding a mechanic because hunting season was opening.

Three days. In Forest City, Arkansas. Three days.

We self medicated much.

2007-03-22 22:31:24
283.   Snowdog
223
From 2000 to 2001, his OBP increased 25 points.
From 2002 to 2003, his OBP increased 29 points.
From 2003 to 2004, his OBP increased 13 points.
From 2005 to 2006, his OBP increased 4 points.

A 30 point drop from 2006 to 2007 seems unlikely.

I s'pose it's all about how one paints it.

2007-03-22 22:40:53
284.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-03-22 22:41:26
285.   Andrew Shimmin
It's easier for an OBP to increase in some years, if it declines in others. Like 2002 and 2005. It's not likely that Pierre will OBP .300, or less. About as unlikely as he is to SLG .410, according to PECOTA. So, there you go.
2007-03-22 23:42:49
286.   Xeifrank
You're going to stop at only 17 updates?
vr, Xei

Comment status: comments have been closed. Baseball Toaster is now out of business.