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That's me. More great stuff from Wilson Valdez and Luis Gonzalez today. Again, I'm happy to be wrong for another day about them - the point I've been trying to make is just that to me, Wilson Betemit and Andre Ethier are capable of the same or better. But my cap's off to the Z boys.
Maybe Gonzalez was waiting until today to come back from the dead.
Does Scully make resurrection jokes? I bet he thinks that might offend someone.
But nonetheless, I am impressed that now Luis Gonzalez has more home runs on the season than Albert Pujols.
Vin and his wife have a section of the Cathedral downtown named for them, so I don't think he's going to be making any Easter-related jokes.
Don't tell D4P that.
Up here in the hinterlands, we only get regular octane KCAL, and ESPN HD on the Dish. No Dodger game in HD yet for the season, though the other team that pretends to be in Los Angeles has been on HD and as they say...You look fabulous.
As bad as our outfield has been so far, the infield has really been rather spectacular (fielding wise, I mean). Seems like no matter who we put in there, they really do themselves proud.
Tiger is so good that, when he plays well, he wins. When he plays poorly, he's still usually in contention.
Most players need to play well just to have a chance to win, and when they play poorly, they miss the cut.
People generally don't know what to do when Tiger falls short or does something bad. It's a very interesting phenomenon.
I know that Pierre will likely end the year with his usual high-BA, low-OBP, high-steals, low-K numbers.
So don't take this as anything more than a silly post...
...but right now -- with 24 outs in six games -- Juan Pierre is on pace to make an astonishing 648 outs.
a. Dodgers winning going away (like today), with the Jints never really in it
or
b. Dodgers making a late inning come-from-behind victory, erasing a three to five run deficit.
While b is certainly more exciting to watch, there is the period of time before the comeback is in full swing where the crowd has its fangs out and are raring to ridicule any Dodger fans in sight.
I'm glad, I guess, that I don't get to choose the outcome.
The game itself was an exercise in forethought:
- We pondered if Luis Gonzales was fast enough to score from second on a single, and I suggested the Wilson Valdez get another double to make it moot. He promptly tripled.
- We pondered if, after Zito left the game with two runners on and one was exchanged in a fielder's choice, if Gonzales hit another home run, would Zito get charged with the second run, or Hennessey? Gonzales promptly homered, making the theoretical an actual, and it turns out the fans around me were wrong (and my instinct was right - Zito gets charged for the second run)
Ah, fun. Sweep.
Betemit will get it together, but the question is if he'll learn how to hit lefties. If he can't, then we have to seriously consider some sort of platoon option. Of course, the ultimate goal would be to have LaRoche ready to take over, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. You know, the idea of a Betemit/Lucille II/Valdez platoon at 3B really might not be all that bad...
Whatever that means.
I just wrote a rather symmetrical paragraph, wonder what that means. Is this a recursive routine?
I echo your thoughts also, we did squeeze two dingers out of him today.
they really should be hating on Sebean (sp?) I can't believe the news papers out there don't call for his head.
Whether Kemp or Ethier gets the start will be interesting to see.
Sabean's part of the problem, but the bigger problem is Giants ownership, which drove the overspending for Zito, Bonds, Morris and others and has mandated that Sabean go the veteran route, in the wild hope that the Giants can finally win it all with Barry. In a word, the Giants are deluded. The window on the World Series shut on them a few years ago. I know it's heresy to say it here, among Giants haters, but it's really a shame. The Giants have a terrific ballpark and a huge fan base. Their product shouldn't be shoddy.
Thing is, the Giants fans I know would have been understanding if the club had told fans, 'Hey, we've had a good run from 1997-2003, making the playoffs several times, but we need to start producing our own players, we need to get younger. The next few years will be difficult, but we'll be better off in the long run.'
Every year that the Giants failed to take their medicine, their illness got worse and now it's a sickly franchise. For their sake, I hope they have a terrific draft thisyear. They do finally have a lot of draft picks. After they host the All-Star game, they should auction off as many veterans as possible, blow this thing up.
I'm happy to see my favorite player (Kemp) doing well with his opportunities so far. I'm a little sad that it's coming at the expense of Ethier because I think deserves better.
The next time you want to have some fun, listen to KNBR after a Giant loss especially aginst the Dodgers-the pain is wonderful to hear. Part of it is the entitlement in the voices of their fans.
Now that we seem on top, I certainly won't feel bad about enjoying it unless it goes on for more than ten years, at which point I will take my time reevaluating.
Example: they boo Jeff Kent. Today, they cheered when Zito threw a high brush-back pitch at Kent.
It is rather challenging to live in San Francisco, bleed Dodger blue and be afraid to wear an LA cap around town for not wanting to be hassled. I've had so many unprompted bad incidents at Dodgers-Giants games that I don't care to retell them all, but I have come to understand when to blend in (if the Dodgers lose) and when to be comfortable (if the Dodgers win).
I have thought about this often and from many angles, often debating with a friend if I was biased in my thinking that the Giants fans are insecure and filled with hate while most Dodger fans just want to win (it all, actually). So I wonder if any Giants fans living in LA feel it hard to admit their loyalty to others, feel it scary to wear an SF hat in LA, and feel that Dodger fans are more interested in being abusive to them than having their own team win.
But mostly, I could care less about the Giants.
Hooray!
I'm guessing the world is a better place when your work goes undone.
Las Vegas; Class AAA
The Dodgers signed Jones to a minor league contract in the spring hoping he could be a late-blooming power hitter. The power has always been there he has 165 home runs in seven minor league seasons and twice won minor league home run derbys but an inability to make contact has held him back. He strikes out a lot and has never hit better than .268. Still, his start this season is encouraging. He had five hits, including a home run and a double, in his first eight at bats. The three outs he made were strikeouts, meaning he has yet to make an out when he put the ball in play. <<<
http://tinyurl.com/yp88mk
The rivalry is that much more fun when BOTH TEAMS are good.
Baseball should never take a backseat to work.
Maybe the correlations differ for other years, but I wouldn't think so, given that they were the same in 2006.
Jacksonville; Class AA
Elbert, 21, the Dodgers' top pitching prospect, retired the first nine batters in order in his opening-day start for the Suns and finished with nine strikeouts in six innings, giving up only four hits. He took the 3-1 loss, giving up three runs on three hits and a walk in the fourth inning, but the performance indicates he's ready should injury or poor performance strike any Dodgers pitcher. He was a combined 11-9 with a 2.90 ERA and 173 strikeouts in 146 innings at two minor league stops last season, but he had command problems with 85 walks. He walked only one in his first start this season. <<<
http://tinyurl.com/yp88mk
>>> Tony Abreu drove in three runs and Las Vegas pounded out 18 hits to top host Salt Lake, 9-4, on Sunday at Franklin Covey Field. <<<
http://tinyurl.com/2oewzq
Amen, my brother.
And as LAT notes above I've seen terrible behavior on the part of Dodger fans towards Giants fans at Dodger Stadium, terrible, embarrassing drunken behavior. So we should watch the righteousness a little.
That said, I do think there's something of an imbalance in the rivalry, and the amount of overall hatred up here for LA - though it has weakened over the years, maybe because there are more people who have lived in both places?
And I agree with the previous poster that it's a little more fun when the teams are evenly matched, the rivalry that is. The analysis of what the front office has done wrong there the last few years is dead on. I've read a lot of criticism of Sabean this year, maybe for the first time, in the local papers as well as online, so I don't think people are blind to it. (The continual worship of Barry is another matter...)
"People generally don't know what to do when [Derek Jeter] falls short or does something bad. It's a very interesting phenomenon. "
65 - So what you're saying is that the Giants should try to fill long term holes, like say at 1B, after the deadline by shipping off certain veterans...hmm...
The mathematical reason behind this has something to do with derivatives, I think. I only went as far as calculus, and I just got a C, so I don't really have a great concept of how it all works.
On the one hand, Blake Dewitt and Lucas May may have double digit home runs by Mother's Day but you have to wonder on how the very hittable conditions going to affect the young arms.
One thing to watch is the play of Lucas May and the experiment of moving him to being a catcher, he OPSed .825 last year in Sally League, he will certainly hit better than that in Cal League so just look for how he is doing defensively. He is 22 but it looks promising.
Vegas starter Greg Miller threw three innings, yielding a run on one hit and five walks. He struck out three.
Not bad, not great control. Not getting a lot of innings in yet...
74 - Not to say being a Dodger fan in SF isn't hard, but I would rather be there than a SF fan at an LA game. I feel sorry for the SF fans who sit in the all-you-can-eat-pavillion, where the nacho, and presumably the cheese, is free.
Of the 3 Giants games I've been to (1 at Candlestick, 1 at SBC, and 1 at AT&T) I've felt like the laidbackedness of Giants fans was leaps and bounds above the Dodger fans'.
I count as 1.
We wore our Dodger gear and was not really yelled at or anything, talking to the fans there, they remarked that the crowd was less vocal about it since the move from the Stick. Of course, that was 6 years ago so times may have changed.
There are a handful of things I'd point out in my classic debates about this topic:
- The "Beat LA" slogan is chanted 5:1 vs. the "Let's Go Giants" slogan. Hm. Wanna cheer for your team, or against the others? In non-scoreboard-led chants, "Beat LA" and "Dodgers s__k" chants tend to come up a lot.
- From time to time, the Giants organization tries to exploit the vitriol by including it in their marketing plans/advertisements.
- Local sponsorships produce "Beat LA" signs.
These kinds of things stir up the idea that the Dodgers are to be hated, and I just don't know if, outside of parallels to the Boston-New York rivalry, if one sees that outside of collegiate rivalries. I also don't recall ever seeing it in LA. (I'm not saying it isn't there -- I just wonder if it is and don't know about it.)
I do agree with 88-- it seems to have lessened in recent years. I think that the period of '97-'03 was when it built to a fervor, and I relate it directly to what I have observed at the ballpark, too: when the Giants beat the Dodgers, the fans are unruly and emboldened, but when they are defeated, they are energy-less. Hence, when the going was good for the Giants from '97 to '03, the hatred for the Dodgers manifested more greatly, as they were finally superior to the Dodgers for a stretch.
What I find most sad is the jealousy explanation, because it might be true. San Franciscans have so much to feel good about, and LA shouldn't be on their minds so much. But it seems to be. "Oh, you're from LA? Ew." -- I've heard that many, many times.
I choose to live in San Francisco, and I love it. I also think LA has a heck of a lot to offer, and I don't see the two ideas as mutually exclusive.
IMO Dodger fans want to win it all regardless of who they're playing, but SF fans really delight more in beating the Dodgers than in having a winning record. I've never lived in the Bay Area, but I used to live in SD and they definitely had a jealousy problem with LA...to the extent that they felt LA looked down on them like their ugly little sister.
But it's easier to figure things out with a power of 2.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=342
We got 5 to your None, Scoreboard baby!!!
My personal dislike for the Black and Orange "Hated Ones" doesn't detract from enjoying the city when my wife and I visit there, though I have refused to catch a game there until Bonds retires. My dislike for everything he stands for, outweighs any desire to spend money at their park to see him play!!
Actually, what amazed me the most was that I didn't hear the kid for the whole flight. Sure it was a 30 min flight, but that's still quite a trick.
Betemit said he feels he's seeing pitches well, but batting in the eighth spot with the pitcher providing no protection, he sees few good pitches to hit and has been missing them.
"He's playing outstanding defense, but he needs to be better with the bat," said Little.}
He probably isn't seeing many good pitches in the 8th spot. I'd like to hope that Grady would consider batting Pierre 8th when Furcal returns, since he's a slap hitter anyway.
/zing
It's fine with me if Grittle wants to chase the Valez rainbow, but it seems like he should be taking ABs away from Martinez, instead of Betemit. It's nice that the guy is hot, but that's what it is. He doesn't seem at all likely that he's suddenly become good. If he clears waivers, does that mean Thomas Perez gets released?
Get well soon, Furry. . .
When the Dodgers return home to face the Pirates, they are likely to face 2 lefties back to back before closing with a righthander.
Sometime during all this, Furcal is supposed to be back, interestingly Gurnick is beginning to mention that it may be Ethier who goes back down instead of Kemp though Valdez is still likely to be the odd man out when Raffy comes back in a few days.
Betemit should get a fair chance to play in the next 2 weeks but I think there is already some guys not named Martin, Nomar, Kent and Furcal who may want to step it up this week at home. (Both Pierre and Luis are also going to play the majority games but right now I think a lot of things are going to be in flux)
Most unlikely record based on their runs scored and against thus far, Atlanta being 5-1 with 25 runs scored and 25 runs against.
(In their 5 wins, they have a 24 to 14 advantage, in their sole loss, they lost 11-1)
http://tinyurl.com/2zwtzh
I guess that answers my question. In reality, the Pythagorean Record doesn't seem to have much practical value, in that we already know that scoring runs is good and allowing them is bad.
On a related note, using 2006 data, I looked at the relationships between Winning Percentage, Runs Scored, and Runs Allowed. I found that Runs Allowed has a stronger influence on winning than does Runs Scored.
I found that article yesterday through True Blue LA. I liked it, and was kinda surprised by the readers' comments.
New post coming up top.
"You guys are missing Bochy going ballistic on the ump."
Rule #6 violation.
A somewhat heated disagreement at most.
Simple...I just moved to San Francisco from Arizona within the past year. I was talking this over with my friend at the game (an innocent Padre fan)...Giant fans are obsessed with beating the Dodgers whereas Dodger fans could care less about beating the Giants and are more focused on winning the division, the pennant, the World Series. I guess when your city has 0 World Series victories you gotta aim small....
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