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One of the little quirks of the season I have been tracking is this: the Dodgers haven't been involved in a game in which both teams scored more than four runs. In short, no slugfests. Nothing near it.
With Mark Hendrickson and Aaron Cook taking the mound in the Colorado sunshine today, today could have easily been that day. But Hendrickson was having none of it. Like Derek Lowe on Wednesday, Hendrickson needed a little double-play help behind him, but unlike Lowe, he took advantage throwing five shutout innings before leaving with two out in the sixth and a 5-1 lead in a game the Dodgers would go on to win with ease.
The story with Hendrickson is the story with Brett Tomko capable of great performance in the short term but not the long term. But as with Tomko, that doesn't diminish the value of getting that good performance in. He's the No. 7 starter on this team, yet he waltzed into Colorado and lowered his ERA to 1.62, which should put him in the top 10 in the National League by day's end - watch for it.
The story with Hendrickson, frankly, is the same as the story with Rafael Furcal, who is off to another slow start at the plate, but figures to come around. Every season has its surprises, and you just need to get more good ones than bad.
Here's an Ardil-22 for you: with Hendrickson pitching so well, his psychologist will be the first person I call if I get down. But can anything bring me down until Hendrickson stops pitching so well at which point his psychologist will be useless to me?
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Sadly, the above question could be for ex-Dodger Willy Aybar, who is going through some rough times. Aybar has been AWOL from the Braves, and I've been waiting for the other news shoe to drop. David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has it:
Suspended Braves infielder Willy Aybar is in Boston, struggling with substance abuse and trying to get his life and baseball career back in order, his agent told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The agent, Luis Valdez, said the distraught player was dealing with 'drinking and drugs' and that he drove alone from Atlanta to Boston to be with his brother, Francis Aybar, who lives there.
Minutes later, Valdez backpedaled a bit and said he didn't know if Aybar, 24, was involved in anything other than alcohol.
The agent said Aybar was too shy and embarrassed to reach out to anyone with the team. The Braves suspended him for three days after he failed to show up for injury-rehabilitation sessions Saturday and Sunday, then suspended him indefinitely on Wednesday when he failed to show up for a meeting with manager Bobby Cox.
Aybar is on the disabled list with a sprained right hand, which he hurt during winter ball and aggravated during spring training.
"It's a situation where he doesn't want anybody to help him," Valdez said. "He's embarrassed for himself, for his family."
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Someone else enjoying April is lefty reliever Joe Beimel, who cruised through two innings in the Rocky Mountains today, even with a rested Jonathan Broxton and Takashi Saito backing him up. My skepticism about Beimel has never really abated - can't promise it ever will - but again, so far, he's been getting it done. I'm happy to be his bulletin-board material if he needs it.
Broxton should have been used Wednesday instead of Rudy Seanez when the Dodgers were down by a Coors Field pittance of three runs, but I'll harp on that kind of decision another day. As it happens, I think the Dodgers may be on track to keep Chin-Hui Tsao over Seanez if and when that decision needs to be made. (In this case, my skepticism about a pitcher, Seanez, would be validated.)
And I can't let talk of hot Aprils go without mentioning Alex Rodriguez's latest exploit - a three-run homer to cap a six-run, two-out, ninth-inning comeback in New York. He has 10 homers this month for the Yankees. This Dodger fan is giving A-Rod a pat on the back.
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Overall standings if the 2007 Dodgers had played in the NFL last season.
1. 14-2 Chargers
2. 13-3 Ravens
2. 13-3 Bears
4. 12-4 Colts
4. 12-4 Patriots
6. 11-5 Dodgers
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Update: From Ken Gurnick at Dodgers.com:
With a scheduled day off Monday, Hendrickson might not start again until April 28, assuming Schmidt is still disabled, because Little wants to keep his other four starters on a five-day rotation.
"He might pitch twice in relief before he starts again," said Little, and he meant it. "
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Update 2: I'm burying these Parking Thoughts down here.
1) I have formed no position on the opening of the Scott Avenue Gate, other than to be somewhat pleased that the nickname of "Billy Preston Gate" may be catching on.)
2) Complaints about Dodger Stadium traffic and parking seemed to diminish during last weekend's series against San Diego, including on Jackie Robinson Night.
3) The Dodgers urged patience with the system before judging its effectiveness.
4) Therefore, I'm just asking, since it seems to fly in the face of points 2) and 3), why is there a sudden need to open the Scott Avenue Gate?
Does that fly in the face of what the Dodgers have been promising their customers?
If the Scott Avenue Gate was on the table, would it have been more prudent just to open it under the old parking system?
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm a little curious.
Only 2 K's today for Hendrickson, in 5.2 innings. I'm not sure if that's encouraging or not, but I've attributed most of his relatively brief success (since he became a reliever last season) to a big upswing in his K rate, relative to his career figures.
If his K rate can stay high, he stands a real good chance to continue to succeed. Based on his career figures though, I'd watch out if he can't miss bats while a starter. We could see the old Hendrickson again.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm ENJOYING watching Mark Hendrickson pitch this year. He's throwing strikes, keeping the ball down, and maybe even throwing a bit harder than he did last year.
But Jon's right: It won't last.
This team is finding ways to score runs without someone hitting 10 home runs. While more offense is needed at 3B, the key will be to keep the old guys frisky and find ways to get the kids in the lineup.
I like Tsao for Seanez and perhaps we will see Yhency before Jason in a Dodger uniform.
The Cards are really... icky right now.
7 A trainer who gets way too much media play? I'm not sure about that...
Stan Conte seems to get as much media play as any other trainer...
and, um, WOW...I just looked at that Retrosheet link from Bob the other day on the last game in which Mike Lieberthal batted cleanup, back in '03 vs the Braves...and I was at that game!! Not only was the comeback off of Smoltz just ridiculously awesome, but after the game had ended my brother and I climbed all the way up to the top of the 700 level and looked out through the space under the overhang...to that shiny new ballpark being built right next door....and it hit us that we would never go to the Vet again... :'(
3-1 fb to rf
0-0 GO to 2b
2-2 called strike 3 outside corner 93mph fb
4IP 3H 1ER 2bb 4k
decent outing so far.
a) its the same line of criticism as the old Depo/Penny/Drew issue, and more importantly,
b) I think Schmidt's deal actually reflects a substantial injury risk. Its not like he's getting Zito money.
1-2 cb called strike 3 K
1-2 fb called strike 3 K
0-2 gb basehit to lf
0-2 GO to kershaw
thats probably the end of his outing.
5IP 4H (all singles) 1ER 2bb 6K
Reading the comments section 2 days ago (game day chat)some folks feel he should come back relatively quickly & some think it will take a while.
And also Ned was there when Schmidt was injured in 2004-2005.
I am not sure about the medical ethics and confidentiality about players so I am not sure Conte could express anything he learned as a Giant employee.
Finally, according to press reports, Schmidt passed a physical before signing in December, though I would guess that it did not include an MRI due to cost and time.
Yes, we will. [English]
o.k. [both]
Fo shizzle. [Neither]
starting off the 6th with 81 pitches.
1-2 swing and miss fb K
1-2 gb to first, throws it away. error
and....thats the end for kershaw.
81 pitches doesn't sound bad for 6 innings of work, is he on a pitch limit if so what is it?
The Dodgers would fair better in the NFC as opposed to the AFC or a combination of the two together. Hopefully, after 82 games they will have a better record than the Lakers and Clippers.
vr, Xei
They flew to Chicago after the Sunday night game in Los Angeles and then lost Game 1 in Chicago, played a day game the next day and won, flew back to San Diego and lost last night, then won today
They will probably now get on a plane and fly into Denver tonight to start a 6 game road trip through Denver and Phoenix before flying home next Thursday night to start a 6 game homestand with the Dodgers and Nationals.
The Dodger's schedule thus far has been a little bit better.
Little E wins. He's getting 51% ownership and controlling interest in his father's company.
That's cool, there nice & tired I hope that equals a loss tomorrow.
I see Betemit got a hit today...the question though, is how long do we give him? We know he can hit...he's proven that. But how long do we have a guy hitting around .100 before Valdez takes over?
Friday April 20th - Wolf
Saturday April 21st - Penny
Sunday April 22nd - Tomko
Monday April 23rd - Off day
Tuesday April 24th - Lowe
Wednesday April 25th - Wolf
Thursday April 26th - Penny
Friday April 27th - Tomko
Saturday April 28th - Hendrickson
Sunday April 29th - Lowe
Monday April 30th - Wolf (Schmidt eligible to come off DL)
Tuesday May 1st - Penny
Wednesday May 2nd - Tomko
Thursday May 3rd - Off Day
Friday May 4th - Lowe
Saturday May 5th - Wolf
Sunday May 6th - Penny
Monday May 7th - Tomko
Tuesday May 8th - Hendrickson
There are a couple of reasons why they could do skip the 5th spot a few times. One is that Hendrickson is valuable as a long man in the bullpen, two, by breaking it up, Grady breaks up the two lefthanded pitchers and three, it still keeps everyone on a regular rotation.
The other day Kent said the Giants customarily just don't put much effort into re-signing their players with expiring contracts, which I may have seen elsewhere also. If so, they didn't go after Schmidt just as a matter of business as usual and didn't even consider his health.
In context, Kent said some Giant fans were bitter he didn't re-sign there. They didn't know he never had the chance to, he said.
I wonder if all 50,000 shirts will be fraying at the shoulder.
The Pirates (and Dodgers) have Monday off, so, if tomorrow gets rained out, which looks like it could well happen, they have one spare day to work with.
I think the Dodgers will play tomorrow night come hell or high water. The game could be delayed a bit like the one game against the Giants was. Also one of the opening series games against the Braves had a delay.
And if Wolf is off his game, they'll have both of those.
From CBS Sportsline:
"The Whiff Rate is simply defined as the total number of swings and misses over the total number of swings. Assuming that the primary goal of a batter is to make contact, we can use this ratio to see who has the best "out" pitch - and to find out what it is. Assuming a minimum sample size of 200 swings for fastballs and 100 swings for anything off speed, we can see who coaxed the highest percentage of whiffs a season ago."
Where can you even get that kind of information if you wanted to say, hypothetically, find out the whiff rate for the current Dodger pitching staff?
You gotta be joking about that one right?
Dunlop looked good at the plate,but looked like he's been putting away some plates.That is a big boy!
Anthony Raglani hit a three run shot with two outs in the first.
The Suns' pitchers walked 14 or 15 batters.Alvis Ojeda barely threw a strike in 4 innings.B.J.Lamura looked better than I thought.
Tomorrow night Mike Megrew is pitching.Should be better.
Who's doing color with Langer?
6 IP
0 H
1 R
0 ER
2 BB
4 K
2007 ERA: 1.35
It surprises me that Meloan wasn't called up to AAA when Tsao was promoted. For the second year in a row, he's proving he's too good for Double A.
It does sound like Reuss (I just tuned in)
JIM THOME's 400th home run vs the Reds was semi-rained-out and the entire 40,000+ crowd had to shove themselves down under the covered area behind home plate. Wouldn't that be fun, close quarters with that many Philadelphians?
And my favorite take on the new ballparks came from I think the Dugout when they said something to the effect of "before they made sure that every new ballpark looks like Camden Yards but slightly misshaped."
http://www.sbsun.com/sports/ci_5647671
I don't know what Kent said about the Giants' approach to re-signing players in or after their walk years. But they seem pretty open to it. They signed Pedro Feliz and Ray Durham out of free agency this past offseason. They also forfeited a draft pick and gifted the Reds with another compensatory pick when they signed Rich Aurilia, although he'd been gone for a few years.
I hope he gets his life straightened out..
Wilber is one of my favorites
:(
I know she is making an impact when Jon puts in on the sidebar.
I am a little disappointed that she would somehow chalk about Lieberthal batting fourth as a Moneyball thing, though.
>>> Stats 101: Give VORP a chance
This week, we're here to build a better mousetrap. That means delving into the world of emergent statistical analysis. <<<
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6700964
Kind of interesting answer to a trivia question, the current GM of the Angels.
he does the boston thing which in essence, is basically the oakland thing.
he counts...but he doesnt. you know.
Come on Omar, you guys do not need an outfielder for the future when you have Shawn Green and Moises Alou.
if thats true, he wouldnt have let logan white pick 3 prep prospects with his first 3 picks and spend 5 mil to sign them.
so basically, mid first round money.
Not sure if this has been argued before, but it seems to me that Ned places a lot of weight on his job security, certainly much more so than did Depo. He GMs in such a way that, if the team fails, the blame won't generally be placed on him (at least not by the MSM or the ownership).
well since now you have already opened up the communication lines with him....hint hint nudge nudge :)
>>> Kent still fond of San Francisco
Giants fans can boo all they want, Kent figures, but they don't know the entire story. As a free agent, he wasn't invited back.
"I didn't have any choice," he said. "But they don't know that. These are good people here. At the end of 2002, I knew the powers that be didn't want me back. But I'm glad [the fans] are still having that kind of reaction. It's kind of cool." <<<
http://tinyurl.com/2emj6d
Maybe Ned can find a Pedro Valenzuela somewhere out there, beneath the pale moon light
>>> "I didn't expect to go back, honestly," he said. "I could tell a year earlier. You have to play in San Francisco to really know how it works. Not many guys re-sign except Barry Bonds. They keep running them out of there." <<<
http://tinyurl.com/2zhan6
abreu was signed in october of 2002, hu was signed in jan of 2003.
Well duh. Have to get the new old blood in there.
(1). The Dodgers made a conscious decision to spend less money in that area, just to save money.
(2). With Logan White's drafts going well and the rankings of the Dodgers' farm going up even without expensive foreign signings, the Dodgers started seeing premium foreign talent as a luxury they didn't need rather than a necessity. In the past the Dodgers have used big foreign signings to compensate for doing poorly in the domestic draft, and today you see the same thing with other clubs.
i only mention this because in the upcoming draft, the number of picks the giants, padres and and dbacks have in first 3 rounds dwarfs what the dodgers have.
their systems are only going to get stronger and it seems like we need to do something to match up.
vr, Xei
Good News, everybody! New episodes on the way!
Yeah, I heard new episodes will be airing on Comedy Central in early 2008. That's awesome. It's a great show.
I watched the show for about half a season when it first came out (back in 1998?), and really liked it. But that's around the time I met my current wife, and I got distracted. Ironically, I didn't watch the show again until a month or so ago when we started watching it together. She likes it as much as I do.
Yep, new episodes, huzzah!
Btw, it rained up here in SF all night so I guess we're sending it down to you guys, but it does seem to be moving rather fast so I bet the game goes on (knock wood).
Btw, x2, I saw Greg Proops tonight and my mouth hurts from laughing so much.
There is little rejoicing.
Hmmm...that order seems wrong. I've already seen the egg salad sandwich episode, but just saw the dog episode tonight.
Classic Zap.
"Well, hello! I usually don't say this but you are the most beautiful trio of gigantic ladies I've ever laid eyes on."
lol I almost just put that quote.
"Everyone's a jerk. You, me, this jerk."
In 2005, without a first round pick and not signing Hochevar, they paid out around $2 million in bonus money (about $1 million to Ivan De Jesus, Josh Bell and Jon Meloan). Had Hochevar signed for the "reported amount," they would have been around that same $5 million number.
Last season, with three picks in the top 31, the Dodgers again paid out a little over $5 million in bonus money to their signed picks in the top ten rounds as reported by Baseball America.
In 2003, the Dodgers did pay LaRoche the $1 million (and 1 cent) signing bonus but the rest of their picks were signed at slot value and their total amount was a little over $4 million.
So they have been pretty consistent in paying out around 4-5 million when they have the picks to justify it.
Bob Uecker: This is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen...And I've seen Mr. Belvedere naked!
I hope Mrs. D4P doesn't read DT.
I'd make some reference to Mickey Rooney but you are too young to know what I'm talking about.
Hard to beat Slurm McKenzie.
Leela (feeding Nibbler food...snouts): Aww, somebody really likes snouts.
Frye: Is it me?
Duckman!
They ended it on a cliffhanger.
I was looking up something about Eddie Murphy's Raw on Google and one of my previous searches was about Eddie Bane.
Gosh, I wish I would have embraced my dorkiness at a much earlier time in life.
Do you catch this drift of mine?"
This is from the Alyssa Milano blog comments, in response to her comment that she was "just trying to find [her] way with a 0-2 count" in relationships. I catch his drift, but I notice that Jon doesn't have to deal with these sort of suggestions (then he also doesn't have to address his relationship status).
I had to drag my wife kicking and screaming, but she ended up being very glad that she came along.
Two years removed from his second shoulder surgery, Miller is being handled with care to protect his health. He is on a pitch limit of about 80 early in the season. <<<
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/7116761.html
I'm not surprised by the comments. In fact, they're inevitable. I'm just surprised (and a little disappointed) that she responds to them.
Me: When will Loney be back with the Dodgers?
Grady: Soon enough!
Me: But that's not soon enough.
( Adapted from "Fry and the Slurm Factory" )
Part of the reason celebrities are drifting toward blogs (Curt Schilling, Mark Cuban, etc.) is to take charge of their own story.
Then I guess it is just me, and I am the only one.
Actually, I suppose you're right. Addressing the issue once (and for all) right up front is different than continually responding every time, which she presumably won't do.
A quick list of DT posters who would make for interesting dinner company based on my own likes/dislikes.
Marty-late 70's/early 80's LA Music Scene and of course he would pick where to eat.
Don Burns-Jerry Brown/Liberal politics and his travels in France
Daniel Z and his Horde-I'd pay to see a family of 17 eat dinner at one time.
It should be a reality show, as we watch the Z family plow through 3 meals a day.
Jay Jaffe-HOF
Dzzratt-must be full of stories
Josh(Cardboard Gods)-his stepdad could have been my oldest brother
ShiftyJ-obvious reasons
TheTimmerman - Swapping Cat stories
BhSportsguy - closest to me here on my Dodger opinions
BlueBleeder - for a different take on life and his love for the Dodgers
DodgerCanuck - He could regale us with life in British Columbia and Dodger prospects and
how frustrating it must be to live in a Country that couldn't care less about the thing he cares the most about.
Marlins President David Samson, whose team ranked lowest in value, had this to say in an Associated Press piece about the rankings:
"As usual, the franchise valuations and operating income numbers are pure fantasy and based on no correct information. To comment on such irresponsible journalism would only give it more credit than it deserves."
Here are the rankings:
http://tinyurl.com/2gcncb
I'm guessing a lot of us can relate with that
If only there were a non-partisan baseball-related site that could report that kind of news a day or so before the rest of us see it
My biggest fan!
So the weather doesn't sound too good down there. Fingers crossed it clears up tonight but you guys may be seeing the Dodgers playing a DH this weekend. (I think the Pirates are a jinx, personally.)
I believe there is a place like that, "A place where a man can slow down to a walk and live his life full measure, but he has to keep his watch on Pacific Time."
Grrr....it's a riddle...!
Grrr.... it's a riddle ...!
Grrr--->--->riddle...!
G --> --> riddle...!
Griddle!
No problem.
Here's the link to the discussion:
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/632829.html
"Blake Dewitt, SS, Dodgers (No. 28; $1.2 million)
On scouts' charts, Dewitt's hit scores were as high as anyone going into the draft, but he dropped to the end of the first round because he was undersized, had no more than gap power, and didn't have a real defensive home. He was good-not-great in his full-season debut, batting .283/.333/.428 in the Sally League, but he seemed to take off last year--although his average dipped to .268 in the Florida State League, but his home run total up to 18 in just 106 games. That looked like a Vero Beach-inflated total when Dewitt collapsed following a promotion to Double-A Jacksonville, batting .183/.241/.221 in 26 games with just one long ball in 104 at-bats. Dewitt began his career as a third baseman, but was moved to second last year, where his reviews of his glovework by scouts considered is work there sub-standard. Back at third and back in High-A at the Dodgers' new California League affiliate, Dewitt is trying to get back on track, but is off to a slow start, .220/.258/.424 mark in 14 games."
Too much credit for what?
It is certainly not a myth, unless my experience of men referring to women as "sluts" is untypical. I even hear people call someone a "man-slut" which underscores the double standard.
As for using it as an excuse to get around, why does anyone need an excuse? Do what makes you feel good, no ones judging you, well, no one should anyway. At this point in society, with all sexual orientations being regarded as fine, surely we have gotten to a point where having sex isn't a shameful thing?
instant classic
blake beavan looks exactly like luke hochevar.
i agree with goldstein, this is his make or break year. I'm starting to lose patience with him as he dwindles in the low minors.
it seems i was incredibly wrong with my dewitt/abreu analysis and willing to admit that.
I'm sure fans in Los Angeles (and Atlanta . . . and St. Louis) are going to snicker when they read this, but so far, J.D. Drew is muting the skeptics who said the gifted but allegedly indifferent outfielder would be a disaster in Boston's pressure cooker. Drew has played like he's intent on proving he's worthy of the five-year, $70 million contract he signed in the offseason, smacking line drives all over the ballpark, filling the enormous void in the No. 5 spot in the lineup, playing stellar defense in right field, and - surprise - hustling on the base paths in the mad-dash manner of his popular and overrated predecessor, Trot Nixon.
There is no denying it: Drew is the most complete player in the Boston lineup. <<<
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6708924
An unattractive man has a 99% harder time hooking up than an unattractive women.
Therefore when a women gets around attractive or not she is easy because it is easy for any type of women to hook up.
When a man gets around it is harder so he is not easy, he is taking advantage of what the majority of men lack, the ability to hook up with attractive women.
In closing the "double standard" is a lame excuse for women to get around more often. Don't get me wrong, it's fine that women want to see more men but if they think that they aren't easy just because there is a supposed "double standard" they are delusional.
After yesterday's games, the Dodgers have two of those. Miller and Kershaw are sporting the same 1.38. Both have pitched 13 innings. Miller's given up 4 hits and struck out 14; Kershaw's given up 7 hits and struck out 16.
Men who get around are demonstrated their capability and thus are "more manly," women who do the same are simply giving into temptation. The Double Standard isn't an excuse, I don't even understand how it could be construed as such.
If women were'nt easy most of my friends would still be virgins.
he walked 6 in 2.1IP in his first start and then in the last two 3 in 5IP and then 2 in 5.2IP.
same with miller, wild first start and then decent to good control the following two. Wish Elbert would just throw strikes.
you can even put elbert and megrew somewhere in there.
So all of your friends are the sort of people that women should feel bad about sleeping with? Surely people have sex without being ashamed afterwards or feeling that they tarnished their reputations.
Women are different than men
If not, every movie would be "The Crying Game."
But if they want to justify sleeping around and not expect to be tabbed as easy just because they use the excuse of seeing a small minority of men that sleep around and are idolized for it, then they are delusional.
Since any women can sleep around and since any man cannot, there is not a "double standard".
Now, you might feel that this is justified, but it is still a double standard. Besides which, is it really fine with you, if as a result you think they are easy?
That's exactly what one of my ex-girlfriend said. Are you a girl?
Women can have the same amount of sex regardless of status.
No "Double Standard."
Now, when a woman sleeps around she is considered an empowered independent modern woman instead of what she really is which is easy, regardless of publicity or celebrity status.
She is Cold and doesn't care for others
or
She is easy
or
She is Dumb
197- Why is there any "tabbing as easy" to be done? Why they can do what they do doesn't really have to do with how what they do is perceived. If you can read that once and get it, you have better comprehension skills than I do.
I've been trying to stay out of this discussion, but I couldn't let the absurdity of that statement slip by. If you really think that's the general public opinion of women who sleep around, well... you don't exactly have your finger on the pulse of society.
fair enough
http://tinyurl.com/39vjht
202- Stay in school.
Umm, OK
[runs and hides]
It's probably for the best that it happened that way.
I was given an Autographed Jose Lima card yeterday,
In Royal uniform and all, anyone want to buy it?
Robert Heinlein would have been proud of you.
This is a link to a blogger talking about race, immigration and violence against white people in response to the VT shooting. My opinions do not remotely line up with his, but obviously immigration is a relevant issue to some people.
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007674.html
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to complete this sentence which comes from a sports-related Wikipedia article:
"In probably the most touted act in the history of shaving... "
Speaking of HD, is anyone else unsatisfied with the amount of Dodger games broadcast in HD?
In other news, the rain stopped on the Westside at about noon, so if it doesn't start up again, the game should start on time.
Big IF.
Seems to me you're being confrontational.
I think the frequency of violence, and gun violence in particular, has numbed me. I remember being horrified by Columbine, but now my skin is thicker. That sounds insensitive, but it feels more like desensitized. I feel terrible that I don't feel worse, but I can only engage it on an intellectual level. "That is horrible," I think, but I don't feel horrible. I feel nothing. I don't even know if I should post this, but that is my non-political thought of VT.
I think what the murderer wanted was peace in his mind. He couldn't get that, so he decided to inflict pain. I don't think glory or celebrity was his goal.
But let's say hypothetically that it was.
Is it worth denying him that goal at the expense of letting the nation feel or try to better comprehend this tragedy?
Let's say, hypothetically, that this could inspire copycat killers.
But does someone that disturbed need a TV set to motivate him to kill? In addition, could the heaping criticism (to put it mildly) of the murderer not discourage someone similar from emulating him?
I think these are legitimate questions, perhaps with no clear answers, and I don't think it's the media's job to answer them on behalf of the country.
I think it's the media's job to inform the country. And exploring and revealing the depths of this person's problems is information. Surely, it should be delivered sensitively. But people should have the opportunity to see it, and though it may have been on 24/7 this week, the reason is because not everyone is in front of a TV set at 6:30 p.m. If people have been actually watching 24/7, that's their problem, not the media's.
As with everything on TV, there is always the option to turn it off. I feel for the families this is their tragedy, in incomprehensible terms but I don't think it was wrong for NBC to air the footage. Those pictures are part of an important story. There is always a line you don't want to cross; it's just my personal opinion that, from what I saw, it wasn't crossed.
246 - Those videos are mindboggling. It is shocking that he sent them between the shootings. How cold blooded do you have to be to run errands (that sounds light, but is somewhat appropriate) in between mass murders?
...of stories that are also great for ratings. There's plenty of "truth" out there that doesn't get covered, primarily because it won't attract mass attention. But that doesn't mean it's not important. I personally don't believe that media coverage of these events is primarily motivated by an altruistic commitment to informing the public.
All of which is not to say that the events should necessarily not be covered, but I don't think the media really considers much beyond what will get them ratings (and thus, money).
My father, GF and I attended the Sunday night game.
Entering was a breeze - considering we arrived close to two hours before first pitch. I was prepared for a disaster, but it was smooth sailing. And when first pitch did come, I could see there was little traffic at the Stadium Way gate.
We left right after the game's end, and after getting to the car leaving the parking lot took less than five minutes.
My grade: A.
Your implicit logic is that, if you don't watch, it won't affect you. But that's where I might disagree. If it were true, for example, that covering these events does inspire copycats, then I'm affected whether I watch or not, in that the probability of me getting shot by a copycat increases.
So it's not necessarily as simple as turning off my TV (which, by the way, has not been on, as I haven't watched any of the coverage).
http://tinyurl.com/32ajdt
What I usually wait for is a special report to come out a few months later or a documentary to get the information that eases my psyche.
I feel like they use that argument as an excuse to show what they want. If the media literally reported everything, then sure, they can use that argument. But given the impossibility of reporting everything, they have no choice but to show some stuff and not show other stuff.
To say they're not policemen is to not hold them accountable for what they willingly, knowingly choose to show and not show. It makes it sound like they have no control over what they cover, which isn't true.
Granted: if one network decided not to cover the shooting, they'd take a huge ratings hit relative to the other networks. But that's a separate issue.
They did better today with photos of the 32 victims and a very brief bio on each under the heading "Remembering the Victims".
I think they do want to be informative but it will never stand in the way of selling their product.
I never thought I'd get this amped up about demanding HD, but once you start watching things in HD, it's really frustrating to go back to an SD feed.
You criticize the duration of the coverage, yet assume that they're not covering all the bases
I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about what they do and don't show within the context of one story (e.g. the shooting), but rather whether they cover that one story or not.
I'm not commenting on the quality of their coverage of the shooting, but rather on their decision to cover it. Saying their not policemen makes it sound like their hands were tied and that they couldn't not cover it, which I don't agree with.
They decide, they report.
The media should determine if a story is newsworthy (i.e. do people want to know about it and does it tell them something they don't already know), then determine if it's truthful. If it fits both categories, it should be run.
Television stations have a right to air the videos, sure. I wish they wouldn't, though.
And yet, after trying for several minutes to come up with a good argument to back that up, I can't. I fear that any argument against showing the videos will fall under the heading of censoring information for a rather nebulous and undefined societal good, and that's not a good path to follow.
I've never been a journalist, but I can imagine that fact would make for tension along the lines that D4P is bringing up.
There's always going to be an important story that gets shuttled to page A18 to make room for a more sensational story on page A1. I don't know how to change that.
Of course NBC chose to air the footage they received: it made people watch the news. That's their business.
I hope this doesn't sound overly cynical or Gordon Gekkoish. I don't really feel cynical about it.
Here's hoping that by next year, all D games will be in HD.
If it wasn't, why would he send the stuff to NBC at all? Wouldn't he just shoot people and leave it at that?
The other day I heard one news anchor (I'm not sure who -- I don't generally watch the news and I don't know any of these people's names) say that "the gunman recorded himself making vile statements and then sent the recordings to NBC in order to further taunt the victims' families." And then the station immediately proceeded to play the recording. Which was a pretty blatant admission on the part of the station that "well, we're in the business of taunting the victims' families too." I am not one who generally believes in making journalistic decisions based on the sensitivities of crime victims, but in this case the station was pretty openly poking at the families with a sharp stick. Now, I'm not saying they shouldn't have shown Cho's recording. They absolutely should have. But the way they did it left something to be desired.
On the rare occasions that I do watch television news, I am always struck by the extreme and blatant disregard for any sort of professionalism or journalistic standards. Everything has to be turned into a maudlin storyline and every anchor and reporter (using that word loosely) feels compelled to offer us some sort of utterly trite commentary. This is not so objectionable when they're discussing an unimportant issue like the paternity of some pseudo-celeb's love child. But when that sort of technique is used in reporting on something like the VT massacre, some attempt at reflection and thoughtfulness should inform the coverage. And never does that happen.
I also don't think it's a particularly arguable point that these massacres inspire and feed off each other, given that each new killer seems to reference and/or revere past ones.
"But does someone that disturbed need a TV set to motivate him to kill? In addition, could the heaping criticism (to put it mildly) of the murderer not discourage someone similar from emulating him?"
My thought is that it would be exactly the opposite. Speaking generally, these are people who have already been discarded by society, at least in their own minds, and I doubt that further scorn being heaped upon them would act as a deterrent. If anything, it might add fuel to the fire. Based on Cho's statements, it seems like killing a bunch of people was his way of saying "screw you" to the world at large. The endless TV coverage enables him to say that to many more people.
Times like these are when I'm thankful for the internet, where one can get unfiltered information, watch video footage unadorned by brainless commentary, and read informed, intelligent opinions of the sort that could never be disseminated on a national news show.
What's wrong with that? If what they do to make money also serves a public purpose (informing the public), that's the best sort of incentive compatibility. Indeed, it's the basis of capitalism that the greatest efficiency in the market is created when everyone acts according to their self-interest.
Natch, we ask government to regulate that so that certain public bads are avoided (monopoly, negative externalities, social harm). So the question isn't whether NBC was self-interested - they were and should have been. The question is whether the potential bad from the dissemination of this information OR from the prurient nature of the material outweighs the public's need (and desire) to know.
That's a judgment call for the FCC, and in anticipation of the FCC, for NBC itself (but here, they are still driven by self-interest, weighing the ratings and revenue benefit against the expectation of a fine, or of a ratings and revenue backlash). And it's a question worth asking. But it has nothing to do with NBC's motives.
My beef is that the Imus, Anna Nicole Smith stories are covered way too much. I realize these stories grab eyeballs and ratings so MSM will always play it that way, it's just my personal pet peeve.
I'm not criticizing capitalism or self-interest. I'm merely suggesting that a spade be called a spade. If the self-interested capitalists are going to act like self-interested capitalists, then they should do so under the guise of self-interested capitalists, not altruistic informers of the public who have no control or choice over their own actions.
And yes, the ratio of benefits to costs associated with covering these stories is a separate issue.
Which of the many potentials purposes for telling this story do you have in mind?
Aren't the NY Post and NY Daily News like this -- putting the sensational story on p. 1, not only unapologetically, but usually with an obnoxious headline?
I'm not sure that life would be better if all journalism were like that, but I don't think that's what you're saying.
Logic means different things to different people. For some, it can refer to a rational connection between what we do and what we want. In other words, if he wanted to cause pain and become famous for it, then his actions were "logical" in the sense that they achieved what he wanted.
Other people, though, might focus on whether it's "logical" to want to cause pain in the first place. This is a little squishier, in that it invokes notions of right and wrong.
Yeah, that's not what I'm saying.
Agreed in principle, but there is also a discussion to be had about to what degree tragedies are really news. One way of looking at it is that newsworthy stories are those that have the most potential to affect viewers' lives. A tragedy somewhere else has almost zero effect on someone's life, unless it results in some new law or practice that will affect people's lives. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of people expressing regret and wallowing in misery. Things that have the potential to affect more people's lives -- the war, the oil shortage, the fact that we released one of the world's most notorious terrorists from prison yesterday -- generally get less play than tragedy does.
It's also interesting to note what constitutes tragedy. The day before Virginia Tech, probably more than 33 people got gunned down in our inner cities. Is that less of a tragedy than the massacre? If so, why? Because the VT kids all died in the same place?
The blog Foucault's Lunchbox had an interesting take on this:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ljvzh
"When Violence Ceases to be a Media Spectacle
It is difficult to gain perspective on violence in its immediate aftermath, before any narrative of events can be composed and disseminated. Here is what we do know: today in Iraq, 13 Iraqi soldiers were killed at one security checkpoint, two university professors were shot dead in Mosul, three U.S. soldiers were killed in two separate attacks, and seven other people were killed elsewhere throughout the country. In addition, the bodies of 10 individuals who had all apparently been tortured were discovered in Baghdad, and three other bodies were found near Kirkuk. Ten people were reported to have been abducted. Details of these tragic events can be found at the end of this New York Times story on the decision of a prominent Shiite cleric to quit the Iraqi cabinet.
In other news, a bunch of people were killed in some random violence in someplace called 'Virginia.'"
Well, OK, but that's a little naive, don't you think? We say the same about politicians all the time too - that they serve themselves and small sets of private interests while wrapping everything in pronouncements about the public good (to say nothing of the divine). But they only do that because we eat it up.
Of course reporters and politicians pretend to be selfless. We want them to be, so they pretend to be what we want. Their careers depend upon their popularity.
Let's say the New York Times -- the paper of record -- puts a photo of the gunman on page one above an article about the video and his "manifesto."
Let's also say that the Daily News puts the same photo on page one with an obnoxious headline.
It's my belief that at the root of both papers is a desire to sell newspapers; they go about that goal in different ways.
Would it be correct to say that you believe the hypothetical Daily News version has -- what's the word? -- an honesty to it that the hypothetical Times version does not, because the DN embraces its self-interested capitalistic nature?
If that's not correct, please rephrase. I would like to know what you think.
I don't disagree. I just think we should try to "eat it up" as little as possible by calling it out.
I don't think I'm saying either type of journalism is better than the other, as much as that I don't feel comfortable pretending that the news is an objective, unbiased, unfiltered, uncensored representation of "the truth".
I think some folks give the major networks too much credit and too much benefit of the doubt regarding their motives and the objectivity of their reporting.
The only way to get kcal in HD if you dont have TWC is if you live out of market, get Extra Innings and hope that its one of the weekly games in HD on the INHD EI channel.
Gotta admit, most of the Korean media is responsible for this...they keep talking about how the "others" will view us..for our own sake, they need to stop getting the older, uncultured, and misinformed Koreans paranoid..
And yes violence is, and always will be news. I think the societal goal is to reduce/eliminate violence as much as can be. So when it happens, it's worthy to hear about it, try to understand it, and cope with it.
I'm in over my head here as you can tell, so I'll back down now and resume my usual joke-telling.
http://tinyurl.com/278n4w
--presented without further comment--
Thanks.
To me, one of the big questions is whether covering violence has a positive, negative, or neutral influence on achieving that goal.
"In probably the most touted act in the history of shaving, [Joe] Namath shaved his mustache off in a television commercial for Remington electric razors for a fee of $10,000."
Blue skies in Culver City, if that means anything.
One thing that's irked me over the past day is the specious link someone made (and written about in the NY Times) between Cho and the film Oldboy. A film I've seen twice and haven't felt like going on a murderous rampage...
not in the literal sense but kinda like in the sugar momma sense.
Maybe I'm being too harsh.
PS Given her access to particular team memebers I would be more inclined to read her blog if it were not associated with the Dodgers. Perhaps she would report something the beat writers were not privy to but being under the Dodger family umbrella that is unlikely.
Sorry, almost forgot, but to answer your question of the day before yesterday, the local bar/club here in HNL was apparently picking up the White Sox-Rangers game via the sat transmission for FSN SW [or maybe they were picking up a military sat that was picking up FSN SW].
I'd rather read a Nate blog than an Alyssa blog, but I absolutely have to cop to enjoying the Alyssa blog for now.
But I hardly think that goal can be achieved by running the video, still photos, etc. within the confines of "The Today Show". Let's face it, few of us are qualified to interpret what presumably are the paranoid ramblings of a mentally deranged young man. It IS newsworthy that he sent the package to NBC and what its contents generally are, but if NBC really wants to inform, they could hire qualified experts in abnormal psychology (preferably with differing professional biases) to view the material and package the whole thing as a 60-minute (or longer) program that they can capitalistically promote for days before airing.
Broadcasting various posed photos of the perpetrator isn't informative; it's just the visual equivalent of an out-of-context soundbite. Do we learn anything from seeing this guy pointing his Glock at the camera? No.
That would definately work. He does wear the armor. Maybe for DT day we can all dress up in Spartan garb and rock Martin's Spartans since he seems to the consensus DT favorite player.
" The draft-and-follow will become a baseball memory this June as the changes in the draft rules gives teams six weeks to sign the players - and that's it. Either they sign or they don't. No more stashing them away at a junior college for a year; no more protracted negotiations.
The Dodgers have always used the old rule wisely and have a number of players with at least some promise down in the minors that they have acquired in this fashion. One such is lefthander Cody White, currently with the Great Lakes team."
http://dodgers.scout.com/2/637324.html
Phrasing it that way seems to be some sort of preconceived notion on your part -- in the blog entries she's specifically made it clear that it was the other way around.
Her joining isn't a necessity, Martin's Spartans will live on without Milano's stamp of approval. But if she wants, I would welcome her with open arms...as long as she wears a toga.
Anyone is allowed to create a blog on the same site Milano's is on. Even LAT.
but not anyone can be leaked to their blog from the dodgers.com site!
why did i say leaked?
I just think that, as difficult as it may be to examine something this painful, that's the only way to find any clue that might help our society prevent these horrors someday. If we dismiss a story like this with minimal coverage, that does nothing to assist the examination. Without information, how can we have any chance to get better?
To draw a baseball analogy, sabermetricians are doing wonderful things with basic box scores that were compiled ages ago, when the people compiling them at the time had no idea what they might lead to. Similarly, aren't the media our only record of history in most cases? And the more deeply they delve into a story, the more facts they put on the record for study and examination that may someday give us a clue of how to lessen this school shooting phenomenon.
D4P, I hear you that the volumes of info they're giving us don't amount to much sometimes. But I almost always fall on the side of more info being a good thing.
I arrive at my seat anxious to meet my fellow Martins Spartans instead I am met by an angry mob of past posters Ive pissed off and laughter.
But being the guy that I am, I ignore the heckling and act as if I have never heard of a Dodger Thoughts. I then ride off into the sunset with Alyssa Milano and teach her about the Myth's and Misconceptions of the "Double Standard."
I will not be bullied around!
I don't disagree with that. But I have a hard time coming up with practical responses. Should people stop going to college? Should they wear bulletproof vests? Should we try to ban guns? Should we try to round up and incarcerate people we think might become mass murderers someday, even if we're wrong in some cases?
What can we really learn from this that can guide/change our future behavior? We like freedom, but freedom has inevitable costs that we don't like. It's tough to reduce those costs without also reducing freedom. As far as I'm concerned, rather than being shocked shocked! when these events occur, we should feel incredibly lucky that they happen as infrequently as they do.
I wish I had an answer to that. But to leave such a story unexamined would feel like we're just giving up.
Duh! I take back everything I said. At least she can write, even if I can't. What language am I speaking today?
Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Nomar, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzo, LF
Martin, C
Ethier, RF
Betemit, 3B
Wolf, P
Every public action taken by a corporation is marketing. Every one -- from charitable donations, to websites, to money-back guarantees, whatever. The Dodgers are no different.
Okay, now I'm just being argumentative.
I'm with Marty, at least in part, on the VPI massacre. I sorted through the couple thousand pages of the Columbine shooters papers that were released last year. I want to know how these people's brains work. I know I'll never go on that sort of a rampage, so it's not inspiring anything in me that anybody needs to be protected from. NBC could have posted the videos exclusively on their website, and avoided the fight about broadcast standards (and, to great extent, commercial profit), which would have been my preferred choice, but there's a reason I'm not the CEO of GE. For all the wall to wall coverage, if anybody's explained how a 23 year old got to live in the VPI dorms, I've missed it. Or how an English major whose one act play would have gotten me a D if I'd turned it in in Jr. High School didn't get flunked out. This isn't meant to blame anybody; I just can't figure it out.
It was also freezing here today but now it's done a 180 and is all sunny so maybe I've made a mistake not going. But I'd rather check out the D's game on MLBTV at home and be anti-social.
It looks like Christmas!
Excellent post, but I'm not sure how that particular question is one that requires answering. He was a college kid. College kids live in dorms. What else is there to know? (Or does Virginia Tech kick 'em out after a while?)
I echo 345 as well.
One small favor though - I'd appreciate it if whoever goes can give me one of the TShirts they get at the game by sending it to me through the mail.
Just let me know ASAP, here's my email: jjlacs@hotmail.com
Lots of colleges have on campus housing for students for as long as they are there.
My oldest brother lived in a dorm all four years of college, although he went to Pomona.
I lived in a dorm my first two years at UCLA and won a lottery for my third year, but I was tired of it as I quickly learned that the difference between a college freshman and a college sophomore was quite a bit. I spent my sophomore year thinking, "Won't these kids shut up?"
Dodger Stadium has a pretty good drainage system I believe. I don't think it rained hard enough to make big puddles.
Uni watch has an interesting post on uniform cameos, meaning players who made very brief and easily overlooked appearances with a given team.
One link... Babe Ruth, Dodgers coach:
http://www.bracephoto.com/images/players/Untitled-38.jpg
What exactly does VPI stand for? For the life of me, I can't figure out how Virginia Tech and VPI fit together (aside from the "V").
What exactly does VPI stand for? For the life of me, I can't figure out how Virginia Tech and VPI fit together (aside from the "V").
Ahhh...
Ahhh...
Let no one ever again wonder how Bob decided to be a librarian.
41% of Virginia Tech undergrads live on campus (according to USNews), and something like 15% of those (I take it) are living in frat or sorority houses. There are bound to be unusual things about a guy that far gone, so this might be just one more.
If I lived in SoCal, I would be pleased with the amount of games KCAL is broadcasting in HD. It's a big a jump from last year and they are free with a ~$30 antennae.
For FSN/Prime games here's the link (rarely updated, and they have gone down significantly this year):
http://msn.foxsports.com/name/HD
Next broadcast is 4/24.
This general HDTV MLB list has proven to be pretty accurate:
http://msn.foxsports.com/name/HD
For DirecTV EI like me, SuperFan is required and they have been hit and miss (plus only pick ~12 games a week). The one good change this season is they're showing San Diego Ch.4 & Philly Comcast HD games for the first time. That benefit came about from the recent hearings & subsequent agreement w/cable.
Though there are some games there simply are'nt enough games being broadcast in HD compared to other teams, especially teams with as large a market as the Dodgers.
http://tinyurl.com/yutyhu
LAT, you are no Chicken Little.
Its just that NY fans somehow thought (1)there was a better 3B somewhere on the planet and (2)they were entitled to him.
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