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Pappas Remembered
2007-05-21 18:14
by Jon Weisman

I'd like to thank Maury Brown of Baseball Prospectus for remembering the legend that was Doug Pappas. Pappas belongs on Mt. Rushmore when it comes to Internet baseball writers.

* * *

Tonight's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (442)
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2007-05-21 18:21:05
1.   k0b3
on the dodger website : "Pierre has been particularly effective in close and late situations this season, as he has a .435 batting average (10-for-23) in such situations, the eighth-best mark in the National League. Close and late is defined as taking place in the seventh inning or later with the Dodgers either ahead by one run, tie with their opponent or with the tying run on deck."
- did anyone even consider the human out machine as clutch???
2007-05-21 18:21:46
2.   Eric Enders
Yes. As in, the clutch is stuck.
2007-05-21 18:23:54
3.   Uncle Miltie
I would love to see the Dodgers trade Juan Pierre + a prospect for Richard Sexson. While Pierre has been terrible, I think he'll bounce back to around his career norms. The thing is, I don't want him here for 5 years. While Pierre is an easy target and has contributed to the team's poor offense, Nomar has been really awful, when you consider the average production from other 1st basemen in the league.

1- obviously Pierre should be our top pinch hitter, not Betemit.

2007-05-21 18:24:38
4.   D4P
The gist of the lineup changes:

The Good
- Player with highest OBP gets more PAs

The Bad
- Player with lowest OBP gets more PAs
- Player with 3rd highest OBP gets fewer PAs

The Also Worth Mentioning
- Player with .361 SLG gets same number of PAs (in 3rd spot in lineup, typically reserved for team's best hitter)

2007-05-21 18:25:50
5.   k0b3
if ANYONE is willing to take pierre and his horrific contract away, the dodgers better drive pierre over themselves with a thank you note attached
2007-05-21 18:29:34
6.   goofus
Just take Pierre, we'll eat the contract, deduct it from moron's salary. Hmmm, but then we'd have a rotten GM for the next 50 years...
2007-05-21 18:32:11
7.   Doctor
Come on guys- can we at least start the game without all of you whining ?
2007-05-21 18:33:16
8.   natepurcell

i agree. can we at least wait until pierre messes up today?

2007-05-21 18:34:41
9.   underdog
Yeah, really. Goofus, a bit much, y'know?

If I'm going to whine about anything it's the fact that the Yankees are on national TV three straight days. Though I'm kinda glad to see them beating the Red Sox tonight, for some reason.

2007-05-21 18:44:57
10.   Andrew Shimmin
3- Going by sOPS+, Pierre's (68) been farther below average for a CF than Nomar's (76) been for a 1B.
2007-05-21 18:47:14
11.   underdog
3 I wouldn't mind Sexson's power addition but overall his numbers are putrid considering the size of his contract. If we're going to move or bench Nomar - which I'm not fully ready to do yet - I'd just want to see Loney come up. I really don't see any way that Pierre is traded this year at all. Maybe next.
2007-05-21 18:50:25
12.   regfairfield
Can we please stop with the Juan Pierre trade talks? Five months ago, the Dodgers were the only team willing to give Juan Pierre 5/44. Why then, would any team want to inherit his contract now after two months of him being horrible?

The only way Pierre goes in the near future is if the Dodgers eat an equally bad contract (are there any other totally undesirable players owed 44 million), or if we package Kemp and/or Billingsley along with him.

2007-05-21 18:52:39
13.   3upn3down
DT needs to have a throw back scouting night when all we can use to justify our opinion of a player's value is something you might read from a scouting report done up for a player in the 70s.

More "coachability," and less "BABIP" references!

It might be fun for an hour.

2007-05-21 18:55:00
14.   underdog
So, on to the task at hand - tonight's game... It's weird because I have nothing against Tomko personally and I do want the Dodgers to win, but I also want Billingsley to be starting. So there's that small part of me that wants Tomko to be shelled, but then I realize that's not a team concept and stifle those feelings. That and wanting Tomko to be tradeable... so... go Tomko, and go Dodgers!
2007-05-21 18:56:42
15.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm not sure scouting talk would be conducive with rule 1 compliance. Unless all the scout quotes I've ever read just happened to be more colorful than the norm.
2007-05-21 18:58:01
16.   regfairfield
Is there any pitcher that you don't want to get to early? I always hear that yet I can't think of any pitcher where you'd want to flail away helplessly for three or four innings.

Why is Tony Gwynn Jr. starting for the Brewers when they have like 12 superior outfielders?

2007-05-21 19:00:22
17.   StolenMonkey86
16 - Gwynn has a .849 OPS, which is higher than any OF on the bench
2007-05-21 19:01:09
18.   StolenMonkey86
or perhaps more relevantly, a .360 BA
2007-05-21 19:03:33
19.   Andrew Shimmin
Corey Hart cooled way down after dismantling the Dodgers in the opening series. I fully believe Craig Counsell told him to.
2007-05-21 19:03:33
20.   StolenMonkey86
I cannot see the name Randy Marsh and not think of South Park. I don't visualize things a lot, but now I'm imagining the third base umpire yelling "STAAAN!"
2007-05-21 19:03:38
21.   k0b3
game outlook:dodgers will have to score AT LEAST 5 runs tonight to win...pierre will go 1-4 but make 3 weak outs
2007-05-21 19:04:31
22.   StolenMonkey86
21 - I'll predict that Pierre will score the one time that he gets on.
2007-05-21 19:05:02
23.   Andrew Shimmin
Apparently I misremembered that, because Hart was 2-9 in the LA series. Maybe he drove in a lot of runs with his glove during those games?
2007-05-21 19:05:35
24.   regfairfield
19 So, sucks to history, those 50 at bats by Gwynn are far more representative of his ability.
2007-05-21 19:06:25
25.   3upn3down
"Hi everyone, and a pleasant Monday night to you where ever you may be!"
2007-05-21 19:07:02
26.   jasbo
My apologies if this has been done to death, but I haven't seen it as much as I've thought it: The real shame with Pierre is not just that he's here for five years, but that Grady's stuck with playing him every day, because of his consecutive games streak. Every day is a lot of days.
2007-05-21 19:07:30
27.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Pierre does has the good face.

2007-05-21 19:09:03
28.   bhsportsguy
While its only been a few games and their Midwest team does have another highly thought of SS prospect, Preston Mattingley is playing 2B again tonight.
2007-05-21 19:11:05
29.   Andrew Shimmin
Isn't the streak broken? I thought his pinch run didn't count, for whatever reason. I bet Grady has no compunction breaking it, if Kemp were brought up. Not that he'd start Kemp every day, but I don't think Grady feels beholden to a streak that doesn't really matter.
2007-05-21 19:12:00
30.   k0b3
yay here comes tomko!!!
2007-05-21 19:12:10
31.   Sam in SC
how many bretts could be pitching instead of tomko?

butler, myers, probably favre . . . .

2007-05-21 19:13:43
32.   Hallux Valgus
31 you're speaking of "Grace Under Fire" Brett Butler, yeah?
2007-05-21 19:14:14
33.   3upn3down
I have a friendly wager with a buddy from work regarding how many HRs Bill Hall hits this season.

The bet is that if he hits 35 or more, I lose. If he hits 30 or below I win.

It is fair to say that outside of Dodger players, I've been following Bill Hall as close as anyone else in the league, so feel free to direct all Bill Hall questions in my direction.

The wager is for a Burrito, and things are looking good. He's on pace to hit 22!

2007-05-21 19:14:36
34.   Andrew Shimmin
Regfairfield jinxes Tony Gwynn.
2007-05-21 19:14:50
35.   Hallux Valgus
what happens if he hits 31-34?
2007-05-21 19:15:20
36.   3upn3down
31 George Brett?
2007-05-21 19:15:53
37.   bhsportsguy
26 His consecutive game streak is less than the hardly ever reported consecutive appearance record. But apparently he does believe that one of his values his ability to play everyday so he never wants to sit out.
2007-05-21 19:15:55
38.   3upn3down
35 no blood - push!
2007-05-21 19:16:11
39.   Sam in SC
32. I'm not sure. I think my general point is that once you accept tomko in the rotation, you're very nearly at the "any brett will do" stage.

including Brett Somers.

2007-05-21 19:16:25
40.   underdog
Oops. Vin: "In the corner, and gone. ... Foul ball."
2007-05-21 19:16:30
41.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Do you think Grady has ever thought of having Billingsly warm up alongside of Tomko during the pre-game?
2007-05-21 19:16:39
42.   Andrew Shimmin
I would like to formally retract all the things I said about Tomko's mother, before Vin said that ball was foul. I regret my haste, and apologize fully.
2007-05-21 19:16:59
43.   3upn3down
Vin, you tease! "Gone, fall ball!"
2007-05-21 19:17:01
44.   k0b3
kent's double play throws to first have been low all year long....
2007-05-21 19:17:09
45.   bhsportsguy
35 They both go to El Tepyac and get the Hollenbeck and succumb to its wholesome goodness.
2007-05-21 19:17:19
46.   Hallux Valgus
39 yeah, that was kind of my joke as well. Brett Butler was a female comedian/ drunk. Kind of a skinnier Roseanne Barr.
2007-05-21 19:18:20
47.   bhsportsguy
Nate, is Preston a little tall to play second?
2007-05-21 19:19:53
48.   Branch Rickey
For those whom it is applicable, tonight's game is in HD. If you have DirectTV HD it is on channel 96.
2007-05-21 19:20:14
49.   Sam in SC
the brett well has run dry early. can we give a "close enough for DT purposes" for Brit Hume?

if we don't expand the circle a tad, we're going to be stuck with bombko for another year.

2007-05-21 19:20:30
50.   3upn3down
I like the lineup switch at the 5/6 and 7/8 spots.

1/2? Not so much

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2007-05-21 19:21:02
51.   k0b3
ok NOW we can start the pierre whining :)
2007-05-21 19:21:25
52.   Hallux Valgus
that guy will swing at ANYTHING
2007-05-21 19:21:33
53.   Who Is Karim Garcia
hahaha, Vin: "...and he might have gone after a bad ball."
2007-05-21 19:21:44
54.   Sam in SC
48. I don't know if I could bear tomko in HD. it's all I can stand to watch him in SD.
2007-05-21 19:22:18
55.   underdog
Don't forget Jeremy Brett, British TV Sherlock Holmes actor, and director Brett Ratner. They both have livelier fastballs.
2007-05-21 19:22:30
56.   D4P
It's kinda hard to believe that Grittle thinks Pierre should be moved up in the lineup instead of down
2007-05-21 19:23:02
57.   Sam in SC
51. hey, maybe The Player could pitch, and bombko could play center and hit leadoff . . .

what could happen?

2007-05-21 19:23:22
58.   underdog
I think it might be more fun and creative to just shun Pierre altogether by not mentioning his name tonight. Is that possible?
2007-05-21 19:23:35
59.   Hallux Valgus
Ratner's fastball absolutely explodes.
2007-05-21 19:23:45
60.   Kevin Lewis
But not in HD for Dish Network? Son of a....
2007-05-21 19:23:48
61.   k0b3
56- TOTALLY agree...if pierre must play he should be hitting 8..or even 9 so they can intentionally walk the pitcher
2007-05-21 19:24:06
62.   gpellamjr
Furcal at 1st with one out. Sounds familiar.
2007-05-21 19:24:11
63.   El Lay Dave
49 Bret Harte
Brett Ratner
Ken Brett
2007-05-21 19:24:33
64.   Sam in SC
56. furcal had finally caught fire at the leadoff spot. grady has to mess all that up.
2007-05-21 19:25:05
65.   Kevin Lewis
Didn't Vin use the older sister story for someone else?
2007-05-21 19:25:52
66.   underdog
58 So much for that idea.
2007-05-21 19:25:56
67.   Sam in SC
ah, more bretts. I think we have enough for an infield.
2007-05-21 19:26:18
68.   Kevin Lewis
Wait, I stand corrected. Both of those stories go together.
2007-05-21 19:26:49
69.   Sam in SC
58. that needs to be announced ahead of time. no, that needs to be threatened ahead of time.
2007-05-21 19:27:28
70.   Kevin Lewis
Maybe I expect too much from Nomar, but it seems like he would of taken a few of those pitches deep last year.
2007-05-21 19:28:22
71.   El Lay Dave
58 No, but it would be welcome relief for some, including our host.
2007-05-21 19:28:42
72.   D4P
Nomar's OPS is now .694
2007-05-21 19:28:47
73.   underdog
69 Probably should have announced, or threatened, it ahead of the contract, really.
2007-05-21 19:29:16
74.   Hallux Valgus
man, that was a great catch. Tough read off the bat
2007-05-21 19:29:34
75.   Branch Rickey
65. No, told it about Suppan when he faced us earlier this year. I was just thinking, I bet Suppan really appreciates Vin repeatedly telling the story of how he used to cry when he'd get beat in little league until his sister taught him to be tougher.
2007-05-21 19:29:41
76.   Sam in SC
wow. no huge problems on that sinking liner to center.
2007-05-21 19:29:45
77.   MMSMikey
furcal doesnt try to run once?
2007-05-21 19:30:01
78.   underdog
D'oh! If Hall hadn't moved in a few steps over before that, Kent's got a hit.
2007-05-21 19:30:01
79.   Uncle Miltie
72- and Wilson Betemit's OPS just happens to be .694
2007-05-21 19:30:24
80.   3upn3down
How many Plate Appearances does a player need in order to begin getting comps on the baseball reference "Similar Players" comparison stats feature?

I've been hoping to get a Andy Laroche comp for a few days now.

2007-05-21 19:31:12
81.   Sam in SC
73. hmmmmm. a "no trashing me" clause, instead of a "no trading me" clause?

I think I see first amendment issues, though.

2007-05-21 19:32:02
82.   k0b3
77- yea i've been wondering recently why furcal hasn't been running AT ALL the last 2 weeks...maybe still injured? he even has a small lead from 1st
2007-05-21 19:32:38
83.   Hallux Valgus
2007-05-21 19:32:54
84.   MMSMikey
2007-05-21 19:33:05
85.   Sam in SC
I told you brett favre wouldn't be any worse.
2007-05-21 19:33:10
86.   Branch Rickey
That was not that far from going out of the park.
2007-05-21 19:33:24
87.   regfairfield
That went far.
2007-05-21 19:33:38
88.   gpellamjr
I wonder what it would be like to root for a team with power.
2007-05-21 19:34:32
89.   Icaros
Bob and I saw Choi hit one even farther up than that.
2007-05-21 19:34:40
90.   Sam in SC
82. he's 5 for 7 so far this season. maybe because a bunt is eternally expected every time he has been on base so far this year?
2007-05-21 19:35:03
91.   Branch Rickey
82. If you saw hit get that infield "hit" he was not exactly racing down the line. I'd say he must be something short of right.
2007-05-21 19:35:18
92.   underdog
I love watching Tomko throw batting practice. Ethier wished he had a deck chair out there to get a better view of that one.
2007-05-21 19:35:35
93.   Hallux Valgus
82 well, he's running behind 2 guys who don't take pitches, for one.
2007-05-21 19:35:43
94.   El Lay Dave
Going into today's game, the Dodgers' team slugging percentage of .368 is 13th in the NL, ahead of only the Pirates (.363), Cards (.340) and [G]Nats, (.330). At the top, the Mets, Brewers and Marlins are .440 or better.
2007-05-21 19:37:47
95.   underdog
Well, that was better, Brett.
2007-05-21 19:38:50
96.   k0b3
with this lineup change we're not going to be able to see the "two base sacrifice" i wanted to see...furcal on first runs and while running pierre will bunt the ball to third. This will allow furcal to go all the way to third base on a sacrifice
2007-05-21 19:40:23
97.   Sam in SC
one K. one home run that didn't miss clearing the pavillion by a great deal.

see, it's that consistency that I really admire in tomko.

2007-05-21 19:40:23
98.   k0b3
whoa gonzo's batting stance today looks much more closed
2007-05-21 19:41:02
99.   Branch Rickey
96. Who's going to kidnap the shortstop?
2007-05-21 19:41:08
100.   overkill94
Gonzo's all about the walk these days
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2007-05-21 19:41:22
101.   Sam in SC
96. usually what we see is a force out at second.
2007-05-21 19:42:42
102.   3upn3down
Is Laroche's canned music they play before he steps up to the plate that song from Karate Kid Part 1? "Your best - around, nobodies going to keep you down..."

That is classic. I love this kid.

2007-05-21 19:43:48
103.   Sam in SC
I am out of bretts again. lets try barts.

bart starr, bart connor, bart simpson. all would be reasonable upgrades.

2007-05-21 19:44:23
104.   El Lay Dave
100 How does he continue to do it? He's in a four-week slump and slugging .396, (although the only regulars who slug better are Kent, Martin and Ethier).
2007-05-21 19:44:24
105.   underdog
Yep, it's absolutely that song. We were talking about that the other day - shows what a good sense of humor he has.
2007-05-21 19:44:44
106.   overkill94
Somebody wake me up when the Dodgers start hitting, I'm gonna take a loooong nap. I'm talking Rip Van Winkle style.
2007-05-21 19:45:25
107.   Sam in SC
102. elizabeth shue was hot in that movie, in an innocent, all american girl sort of way.
2007-05-21 19:46:02
108.   Pepperdine
I feel like we're jumping at pitches early in the count. Maybe it would help to take a little bit more, if nothing else than to wear down their pitching.
2007-05-21 19:46:50
109.   Sam in SC
another one of my all time least favorite baseball players. rat faced craig counsell.
2007-05-21 19:47:20
110.   Icaros
I seem to be the only person who really appreciates Andre Ethier's choice of two Dr. Dre tracks for his music.
2007-05-21 19:47:47
111.   MMSMikey
craig counsell gets a hit against the dodgers, thats odd
2007-05-21 19:48:15
112.   overkill94
So how bad of a game would Tomko have to have today for Billingsley to replace him?
2007-05-21 19:48:38
113.   Branch Rickey
110. I just wish he had as many hits as Dr. Dre.
2007-05-21 19:50:38
114.   bhsportsguy
112 I don't think they make any changes in the rotation until they know what is up with Schmidt.
2007-05-21 19:50:42
115.   Sam in SC
112. his right arm would have to fall off, and the rest of him burst into flames and burn to the ground.

we're talking about ned and grady here.

2007-05-21 19:51:46
116.   bhsportsguy
112 Okay, I stand corrected, if Tomko pitches like he did last time against the Cards, anything is possible.
2007-05-21 19:51:58
117.   k0b3
110- i like his choice of dre tracks...better than all that so called "hip hop" garbage that is on the radio these days....

112-hopefully today is the last day for bombko and he can go back to sitting on his ass in the bullpen.

2007-05-21 19:53:09
118.   gpellamjr
115 we're talking about ned and grady here.

What do you mean specifically? Tomko was taken out of the rotation last year. I think it will happen soon. It might just be wishful thinking.

2007-05-21 19:53:44
119.   regfairfield
118 It took an injury to get Tomko out of there.
2007-05-21 19:55:22
120.   Branch Rickey
I wish we could actually morph Tomko and Billingsley. If Bills had Tomko's command or Tomko had Bills' stuff, they'd make one heck of a morphed pitching freak.
2007-05-21 19:55:42
121.   bhsportsguy
119 But he never got the job back so the fact that he started this year as a starter does not give him any guarantee and again, look at his starts, he has not had a good one since his first start.
2007-05-21 19:55:45
122.   overkill94
You can only keep a guy with a 6 ERA in the starting rotation for so long. Especially with current losing streak (even if it is only a few games), it would seem management would want to make it seem like they're trying to improve the club, and I don't think moving Pierre and Martin up one spot each in the order will do that.
2007-05-21 19:55:55
123.   Icaros
Yeah, Tomko got Wally Pipped last year. They didn't have the guts to demote him the manly way.
2007-05-21 19:55:59
124.   underdog
I seriously don't think Grady would hesitate to move Tomko to the bullpen if he struggled another game or so. I just disagree with that "another game or so" waiting period.
2007-05-21 19:56:08
125.   Sam in SC
118 - they did a lot of things last year that, for whatever reason, they don't seem willing to do this year.

relegating tomko to the bullpen is just one of them.

and of course, the fact that removing him from the rotation became necessary last year could be considered a strong reason not to put him back in the rotation this year. but, hey, I'm not a professional.

2007-05-21 19:56:20
126.   bhsportsguy
120 Tomko's command isn't so great this year.
2007-05-21 19:57:21
127.   underdog
120 How about morphing Billingsley's talent for pitching and Tomko's talent for painting?
2007-05-21 19:57:27
128.   MMSMikey
the dodgers over or under 2 runs tonight?
2007-05-21 19:58:59
129.   Icaros
Yeah, Tomko has been a classic great stuff, no command guy his whole career. That's why idiot GMs keep giving him jobs, thinking that he's finally figured things out.
2007-05-21 19:59:20
130.   bhsportsguy
The problem is Tomko cannot strike guys out, Counsel's single on a 1-2 count, Fielder's home run on a 3-2 count.

He had 9 strikeouts in his first game, since then he hasn't really had a similar outing.

I do think Tomko feels the heat of Chad behind him because he did get taken out last year.

2007-05-21 19:59:47
131.   Bumsrap
126 - 127 Are you saying Tomko can't paint in black?
2007-05-21 20:01:18
132.   Branch Rickey
126 I see he's walked his share this year. Still, he seems to have the ability to throw strikes-- it's just that they're kinda batting practice strikes. Bills has certainly looked strong since SD. I'd be willing to give him a chance. I'll just believe that he can consistenly throw strikes and hit spots when I see it. Hope it happens.
2007-05-21 20:01:32
133.   El Lay Dave
Pierre 5-3 PO. Was that a bunt try or did he actually hit it the other way?
2007-05-21 20:02:04
134.   Bumsrap
See you guys, Dancing with the Stars is over and I now can go back to the TV and watch Heros.
2007-05-21 20:02:12
135.   Hallux Valgus
133 hit it the other way
2007-05-21 20:02:53
136.   Branch Rickey
128. Is there any way for you to make the sound effect that they play in the Debbie Downer sketches on SNL at the end of each post?
2007-05-21 20:03:36
137.   MMSMikey
nomar has a lot of pop in his bat these days
2007-05-21 20:04:01
138.   El Lay Dave
135 Thanks. I'm trying to take that as a positive sign.
2007-05-21 20:04:42
139.   Icaros
Nomar looks tired. He doesn't even fuss with his gloves as hyper as he used to.
2007-05-21 20:04:57
140.   Branch Rickey
133. Hitting the other way is all he ever does. Right fielder would be better off playing between third and the foul pole on the line. Oh wait, that's where the left fielder plays him.
2007-05-21 20:05:04
141.   Hallux Valgus
138 It was Pierre's version of a hard hit (meaning still not very), but right at Counsell.
2007-05-21 20:06:14
142.   underdog
It's amazing - or kind of sad - how excited fans at Dodger Stadium get these days on a fly ball to the outfield, even if it's playable. Balls to the warning track must cause total pandemonium.
2007-05-21 20:07:17
143.   Sam in SC
what kind of aflac trivia question was that? how depressing.
2007-05-21 20:07:29
144.   k0b3
137- yep...pop ups
2007-05-21 20:07:46
145.   El Lay Dave
132 Tomko has pretty consistently been a 2-1 K/BB guy who stays generally close to his career 1.37 WHIP and gives up too many HRs. At 34, an established mediocrity.
2007-05-21 20:08:03
146.   Hallux Valgus
oh come on.
2007-05-21 20:08:24
147.   Sam in SC
I hope the people in the left field bleachers have health insurance.
2007-05-21 20:08:30
148.   MMSMikey
no command.
2007-05-21 20:08:58
149.   El Lay Dave
142 That has been the case as long as I can remember, c. 1969.
2007-05-21 20:09:05
150.   D4P
The Quality Start is still alive.
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2007-05-21 20:09:18
151.   Xeifrank
might want to start warming Guo up in the pen.
vr, Xei
2007-05-21 20:09:26
152.   Doctor

I agree. He looks a little tired and slow. Looks like he is swinging a bat under water.
Maybe give him a few days off.

2007-05-21 20:09:32
153.   MMSMikey
no command + no movement = homeruns
2007-05-21 20:10:02
154.   El Lay Dave
146 Like that homer.
2007-05-21 20:10:46
155.   Branch Rickey
145. Yep. I just think that if Bills could throw strikes at the same rate, he'll be as good as we all hope. Don't think you'll see him looking like Mariano Duncan throwing BP.
2007-05-21 20:11:04
156.   underdog
I'm shocked, shocked! to see Tomko giving up home runs.

But besides that, the reason I think a lot of us whine about him being in the rotation vs. Billingsley is just that it's a lot less fun to watch these games when you don't have youngsters to root for. Billingsley is more fun to watch, to watch his stuff and to see him progress. Even when Tomko does well I don't have any interest in watching him pitch, because I know there will soon be something bad happening and I know there won't be any progression.

2007-05-21 20:11:12
157.   Icaros

I'd give him two weeks in Hawaii and call up Loney. Maybe Nomar won't want to come back.

2007-05-21 20:11:28
158.   El Lay Dave
140 He rolls over a lot of easy 4-3 grounders. At least he has a chance to beat out grounders to the left side.
2007-05-21 20:12:24
159.   underdog
Well, speaking of this being no fun to watch... I'm gonna watch something else for awhile and hope when I come back Billingsley is pitching.
2007-05-21 20:12:47
160.   Sam in SC
he K'ed the mighty craig counsell, by golly.
2007-05-21 20:13:01
161.   PDH5204
129 To add what you left out, well, what did Bombko say earlier this year? That he'd figured it out? Maybe some others in management positions should watch reruns of Gomer Pyle and pay particular care to the line of his that goes: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
2007-05-21 20:13:05
162.   Doctor

Problem is Loney isn't doing anything either.
Hitting .250, 1 HR.

2007-05-21 20:13:43
163.   Doctor the PCL... yeikes.
2007-05-21 20:14:09
164.   bhsportsguy
Unfortunately for Tomko, he doesn't have good enough stuff to pitch like this in the AL where he could give up 3 runs in 5-6 innings and be a pretty effective pitcher.

But he also can't strike guys out or get ground balls to be an effective reliever.

What he probably can do is be a 5th-6th starter but the decision has to be made if you have a team with maybe no number one but a lot of twos and threes, then do you throw out the 5th starter if you have guys who can give you better chances to win.

2007-05-21 20:14:59
165.   Branch Rickey
158. This is true. He does the exact opposite of what you would hope, in the air to left side, on the ground to right.
Actually, would be nice if he just never hit another ball in the air.
2007-05-21 20:15:09
166.   Gen3Blue
I admit I have been feeling kind of negative, and at least I have tried to be quiet and not caustic. When you are going into the weak part of your rotation on a three game losing streak, there is not much cause for optimism. But with this pitching and offense, it can get streaky. Its not much different from last year, and I could survive a 12 game losing streak knowing we could follow with a twelve game win streak.
Maybe it will give some younger guys a chance, you never know.

Subdued in New England.

2007-05-21 20:15:24
167.   Icaros

So what? Small sample size. He tore it up last year.

He literally cannot be any worse than his predecessor has been since last All-Star break.

2007-05-21 20:17:32
168.   MMSMikey
seriously is this 2003?
2007-05-21 20:18:35
169.   El Lay Dave
164 The best role for Tomko is last guy in the pen. He can eat innings in blowouts so you don't waste the useful relievers. In his last start, I was looking for him to relieve himself.
2007-05-21 20:20:16
170.   Andrew Shimmin
Matt DeSalvo is still on the Yankees roster. Tomko isn't a good pitcher, no matter where he goes, but there are much worse. Like Hendrickson, for example.
2007-05-21 20:21:08
171.   Branch Rickey
169. Right on the mound?
I'd like to see Tomko replaced in the rotation by Schmidt. Ya know, like our big free agent ace number one starter. That guy.
2007-05-21 20:21:12
172.   Bob Timmermann

Dead to me?

Or just on notice?

2007-05-21 20:21:33
173.   bhsportsguy
170 Hendrickson has been better than Tomko this year and he is probably a much better guy in the pen.
2007-05-21 20:22:01
174.   Hallux Valgus
162 LaRoche wasn't hitting when we called him up. Maybe Loney's got a plan.
2007-05-21 20:22:03
175.   Sam in SC
169. I seem to recall that when he was signed he was referred to as a "back of the rotation innings eater", and indeed, it seems like he pitched 200 innings in each of the prior three or four seasons prior to when he was signed.
2007-05-21 20:22:52
176.   El Lay Dave
172 If I were naming my company, I would not rhyme it (sort of) with "sewage".
2007-05-21 20:24:04
177.   Icaros
Didn't Piazza hit one out of Dodger Stadium?
2007-05-21 20:24:05
178.   Branch Rickey
172. Vonage stinks. It will break your heart. It was designed to break your heart.
2007-05-21 20:24:47
179.   Sam in SC
177. yes. piazza, mcgwire, and stargell (2).
2007-05-21 20:25:01
180.   Hallux Valgus
how in the heck does Seanez keep getting these calls? What's Billingsley even for?
2007-05-21 20:25:31
181.   D4P
Grittle on the lineup change:

Little would not specify how long the experiment would last. "It will be more than one day," he said. Little had a simple answer as to why the changes. "Four runs in three days," he said, referring to the offensive production while the Dodgers were swept in Anaheim over the weekend. He wasn't as clear as to why the changes would awaken his club's sluggish offense.

2007-05-21 20:25:40
182.   Andrew Shimmin
Hendrickson has started exactly two good games more than Tomko this year. The bullpen argument doesn't do much for me, since it's the same thing that was said about Tomko last year. I don't understand what it is about using Hendrickson out of the bullpen that's supposed to make him better.
2007-05-21 20:25:44
183.   Branch Rickey
177. Yes, but to left field. So did Mcgwire.
2007-05-21 20:26:36
184.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, against Frank Castillo of Colorado.
Supposedly, it went over the seats, but under the roof. It was really hard to see as he hit it around 5:20 pm or so.

The Dodgers would end up losing that game when Otis Nixon lost a fly ball in the gray sky.

I forget the year.

Well, I remember the year. I just choose to forget it. 1997 was not a happy year.

2007-05-21 20:27:14
185.   Hallux Valgus
Something tells me the D's aren't selling many season ticket packages today.
2007-05-21 20:27:57
186.   Branch Rickey
182. Looking at Hendrickson since September of last year to present, doesn't it start to make a convincing argument that he may have actually improved? Truly asking.
2007-05-21 20:28:02
187.   Sam in SC
which pitcher served up mcgwire's bomb?

(theme music from final jeopardy)

2007-05-21 20:28:03
188.   MMSMikey
thats why tomko keeps getting contracts, the 3 pitches he just made to hardy.
2007-05-21 20:28:17
189.   Bob Timmermann
Rockies rally for three in the 7th against Webb and lead AZ 5-4.

But now it's in the hands of the Rockies bullpen.

Run away! Run away! Run away!

2007-05-21 20:28:18
190.   Icaros
Vin doesn't seem to ever mention Piazza when he talks about people hitting it out. He even talked about Matt Holliday this time.
2007-05-21 20:28:27
191.   D4P
Retro Gameday is giving me the impression that the ump is calling a lot of pitches "strikes" that are well outside the strikezone
2007-05-21 20:30:14
192.   Gen3Blue
Which statement has more truth in the last four games.

1) It is hard to mount an offense when you are always behind.

2) It is hard to pitch with no run support.

2007-05-21 20:30:42
193.   Hallux Valgus
there! Billz is up in the pen. Finally my Very Serious Thought Rays make it through the smog.
2007-05-21 20:31:24
194.   El Lay Dave
179 I was there for one of Stargell's.
I saw Reggie Smith hit one off of Vida Blue that hit the back wall of the Dodger bullpen in 1978 - we thought it had a chance.
2007-05-21 20:31:33
195.   Andrew Shimmin
186- Eleven games, bracketed on each side by garbage. I'm not certain that I'm right; I'm open to having it explained to me what changed. The shrink doesn't do it for me. What is it about his pitching that got better? I honestly don't see it--I also didn't notice that LuGo's been garbage for the last month, so it's not like I'm infallible.
2007-05-21 20:31:34
196.   MMSMikey
this is getting really frustrating to watch
2007-05-21 20:32:24
197.   D4P
Suppan is an infield single away from an Interesting Start thus far
2007-05-21 20:33:50
198.   Terry A
187 - Jamie Arnold, if memory serves.
2007-05-21 20:34:28
199.   D4P
But now it's in the hands of the Rockies bullpen

The first batter they faced tied the game on one swing.

2007-05-21 20:35:07
200.   Bob Timmermann
Vin wasn't at the game when Piazza hit his home run. He tends not to mention things he doesn't see in person.

He talked about Juan Castro starting "the last triple in Dodgers history."

Except the Dodgers had one after that. But Vin wasn't there for that, so he doesn't remember the one started by Darren Dreifort.

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2007-05-21 20:36:26
201.   Branch Rickey
195. I believe he did make a slight mechanical change around that time, striding more towards the plate and less around his body. This is not something I heard this year after the string of successes but last year at the time of the change. I certainly can't say that is the reason but it makes me wonder. I know the Dodgers know this too so even if it's not the cause, it might make them stick with him longer.
2007-05-21 20:36:51
202.   El Lay Dave
200 Vin wasn't at the game when Piazza hit his home run
He doesn't miss many home games, does he?
2007-05-21 20:37:31
203.   StolenMonkey86
Well, so far it looks like the tape of tonight's 24 finale was more enjoyable than this game.
2007-05-21 20:37:45
204.   Bob Timmermann
It was an ESPN game. If Vin isn't working, he's not watching.
2007-05-21 20:38:12
205.   Branch Rickey
200. But hard to explain why he keeps calling Prince Fielder "Cecil" when he presumably rarely if ever saw the elder Fielder play.
2007-05-21 20:38:29
206.   Bob Timmermann
If you tell me how "24" ends, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE will die!
2007-05-21 20:40:56
207.   underdog
The Simpsons "24" parody last night (which I just watched via Tivo) was also far more interesting - and funnier - than this game. For what that's worth.
2007-05-21 20:41:41
208.   El Lay Dave
182 Tomko has stunk for twice as many career innings than Hendrickson, although he is only a year+ older. I'm willing to believe that the possibility that Hendrickson can improve is greater than Tomko's.
2007-05-21 20:41:56
209.   Sam in SC
198. I was going to say chan ho park, but I am not nearly as sure now as I was when I asked the question.
2007-05-21 20:42:18
210.   underdog
Those are the kinda bloopers the Dodgers are not getting the past 4 games.
2007-05-21 20:42:39
211.   El Lay Dave
Meanwhile, Tomko is two outs away from wiggling into a pretty ugly "quality start".
2007-05-21 20:42:50
212.   D4P
I'm sure Andrew prefers the game.
2007-05-21 20:43:45
213.   Gen3Blue
Well at least Tomko's eating innings. I will say no more.
2007-05-21 20:44:09
214.   D4P
No Quality Start. You can stand down.
2007-05-21 20:44:51
215.   El Lay Dave
209 Which McGwire bomb? #70 or #62?
2007-05-21 20:45:17
216.   MMSMikey
que mala suerte
2007-05-21 20:45:20
217.   El Lay Dave
I was about to comment that at least Tomko hadn't walked anyone....
2007-05-21 20:45:32
218.   underdog
Honestly, Tomko aside, the fact that three runs is insurmountable is really a problem of the offense going south more than anything. I mean he wasn't great tonight and it could've been worse than 3, but again - 3 runs. They haven't even achieved three hits. I just hope this is one of those little bad streaks and they can reverse it soon.
2007-05-21 20:45:48
219.   Michael D
As much as I want Billingsley in the rotation, right now it doesn't matter with this offense. We'd need a rotation full of Walter Johnson to be winning these games. It's really a shame Loney has done nothing in AAA this year to force the issue of bringing him up.
2007-05-21 20:46:15
220.   Bob Timmermann
Two on, two outs for Brad Ausmus in S.F.

I mention Brad Ausmus's name because he is always a big hit on Google.

I have no idea why.

2007-05-21 20:46:50
221.   D4P
It's really a shame Loney has done nothing in AAA this year to force the issue of bringing him up

Some feel that Loney forced the issue last season and in ST.

2007-05-21 20:46:58
222.   Bob Timmermann
The Mighty Ausmus has fouled out.
2007-05-21 20:47:13
223.   Sam in SC
215. the one that he hit out of dodger stadium.

maybe that is where I got confused; chan ho did serve up many other memorable home runs, but perhaps not this one.

2007-05-21 20:49:15
224.   MMSMikey
rat boy strikes again
2007-05-21 20:49:41
225.   El Lay Dave
223 Oh yeah, in all the excitement, I lost track of the context of your question.
2007-05-21 20:50:28
226.   underdog
Argh. Frickin' Counsell. Two bloopers and a walk in the inning, plus a line hit. Well, as Vin would say, this too shall pass.
2007-05-21 20:51:43
227.   Michael D

I feel that way too, but after he made his comments, I don't think he made Colletti have any thoughts of giving him the benefit of the doubt with his struggles.

As for this game, it's depressing that I now consider this game un-winnable with the offense we have.

2007-05-21 20:53:56
228.   underdog
Favorite headline in the Onion:
"War Against String May Be Unwinnable, says Cat General."
2007-05-21 20:54:20
229.   MMSMikey
now its offically un winnable
2007-05-21 20:55:07
230.   MMSMikey
suppan doesnt have a sac bunt until tonight, weeks 1st 4 hit game. welcome to dodger stadium
2007-05-21 20:55:09
231.   underdog
Okay, now I know they're just temporarily cursed. Except for the fact that Billingsley wasn't hurt by that, there's the bright side.
2007-05-21 20:55:37
232.   underdog
Boo-urns, boo-urns!
2007-05-21 20:56:12
233.   ory
Who cares
2007-05-21 20:57:26
234.   Sam in SC
a snowman. argh.
2007-05-21 20:57:30
235.   MMSMikey
nice gas can by billingsley
2007-05-21 20:57:32
236.   El Lay Dave
I'm surprised the earlier singles to left and center couldn't score runners from 2nd, although one was the catcher.

Billingsley doesn't seem to be very good with inherited runners. Or am I misperceiving things?

2007-05-21 20:57:53
237.   ory
Bills ain't the answer. As bad as Tomko is, Billingsly isn't an improvement
2007-05-21 20:58:07
238.   D4P
Hypothetically speaking, if Ned were to acquire a Big Bat (presumably at 3B), where would it hit in the lineup? Would Nomar be moved out of #3? Doesn't seem likely. Would Kent be moved out of #4? Doesn't seem likely. I guess the Bat would hit #5, which would push Martin or LuGo to #7, which doesn't really seem likely either.
2007-05-21 20:58:28
239.   underdog
That's your first comment of the evening, ory?

Gosh, I hate to see this, now they'll say Billingsley isn't ready to start even if this isn't the best game to be judging him by. Sigh.

I hate to see this so much, in fact, that I'm now officially turning the game off.

2007-05-21 20:58:42
240.   El Lay Dave
The accursed sixth inning.
2007-05-21 20:59:14
241.   Vishal
[237] well, not tonight maybe.
2007-05-21 20:59:59
242.   Bob Timmermann
I've put the game on Gameday and now it's time to watch "24" and then "Heroes" (for DVR purposes not priority.)
2007-05-21 21:00:10
243.   MMSMikey
.238, why would'nt nomar be moved out of the 3 hole? 1st of all he hit in the 5th hole a lot last year, and secondly, hes not producing the way he should.
2007-05-21 21:00:13
244.   Sam in SC
I was thinking that perhaps this is as bad as bad can get . . . but sheets is pitching tomorrow night.
2007-05-21 21:00:18
245.   regfairfield
237 One outing does not invalidate a mans worth.

At least you guys aren't watching 24. This is far less painful than that train wreck. It does not bring viewer goodwill when you tease an awesome fight, then just completely avoid it. (Exception: Raiders of the Lost Ark).

2007-05-21 21:00:55
246.   underdog
Bills has been great before today. No, I don't think he is as good with inherited runners. All the more reason he should just start, clean slate. He's got better stuff than Tomko, period. I just hope they don't go and trade Bills now or something.


well, maybe the offense will perk up, now that the game is out of reach.

2007-05-21 21:00:57
247.   ddger
Too bad Chad had bad outing. This just means that Tomko will probably start again.

Grady should have PH for Tomko in the bottom of 5th instead of trying to squeeze in one more inning. It ended up costing Dodgers 5 runs this inning and now the game is definitely out of reach.

2007-05-21 21:01:00
248.   regfairfield
242 Never mind.
2007-05-21 21:01:04
249.   ory
Sorry. I tried to bite my tongue about Bills, but couldn't
2007-05-21 21:02:22
250.   Greg Brock
I think we're actually beyond the precipice of the crossroads now.
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2007-05-21 21:03:50
251.   D4P
Scott Rolen will save us.
2007-05-21 21:04:05
252.   MMSMikey
244, and capuano wednesday.
2007-05-21 21:04:40
253.   underdog
239 referred to 233 of course.

250 actually, I think we've actually made the deal with the devil, tried to flag a ride, everyone passed us by. More like that.

2007-05-21 21:04:55
254.   MMSMikey
idiot! dont touch the ball in play!
2007-05-21 21:05:23
255.   underdog
I'm trying to look at the glaus half full at this point.
2007-05-21 21:05:46
256.   Hallux Valgus
are you friggin kidding me? How stupid do you have to be to reach for that ball?
2007-05-21 21:06:44
257.   El Lay Dave
247 There's little temptation to PH for the pitch with two out and nobody on in the bottom of the fifth, despite Tomko's 86 or so pitches to that point.

Still, Grady should have pulled Tomko after the first batter reached, not two of them. Might not have mattered much though.

2007-05-21 21:07:56
258.   StolenMonkey86
I'm thinking that the more they talk about Rolen, the more it won't happen. Something tells me that such a move would be completely out of the blue, yet it would make perfect sense for Colletti to do (that is, it would be terrible).
2007-05-21 21:08:05
259.   underdog
See? I told you they'd hit better once the game was blown open. Less pressure, that seems to be the key.
2007-05-21 21:09:04
260.   Michael D
Nice to know we wait til the game is over to show some signs of offensive life.
2007-05-21 21:09:39
261.   Branch Rickey
Well this is better. Let's at least make a game of it and remind the offense that scoring is possible.
2007-05-21 21:09:57
262.   El Lay Dave
256 Same folks that get ultra-excited when a routine fly is hit.
2007-05-21 21:10:08
263.   underdog
Gosh, it would be nice to have a do-over on that last half inning now.
2007-05-21 21:10:29
264.   StolenMonkey86
if nothing else, at least get within a save situation
2007-05-21 21:10:57
265.   StolenMonkey86
clearly, Jeff Kent killed the rally
2007-05-21 21:12:26
266.   Branch Rickey
Is Gonzo incapable of pushing a bunt down the third base line? Afraid of taking away his HR power? Why not try it?
2007-05-21 21:13:13
267.   Disabled List
Letterman had a bit on his show tonight, "John McCain Interviews Himself." He ran a bunch of clips of Sen. McCain asking himself a question and then answering it, Jim Tracy-style.

Methinks Dave's writers owe the guy who runs DodgerBlues a few licensing dollars.

2007-05-21 21:13:34
268.   MMSMikey
is anyone here optomistic about gonzo?
2007-05-21 21:13:42
269.   El Lay Dave
266 He's a little old to beat that out unless it was perfect.

Old dog, new tricks.

2007-05-21 21:14:37
270.   Hallux Valgus
262 No- that was a special kind of stupid. He had to reach over the foul pole, and he was doing it as soon as it started rolling towards him. That was premeditated stupid.
2007-05-21 21:15:26
271.   Branch Rickey
269. With no 3rd baseman?
2007-05-21 21:15:31
272.   El Lay Dave
265 Note that the Brewers didn't kill their rally like that. They play gritty baseball. Craig Counsell, he's a baseball player.
2007-05-21 21:15:48
273.   D4P
is anyone here optomistic about gonzo?

See: Shimmin, Andrew

2007-05-21 21:16:31
274.   MMSMikey
i'll take that as a no.
2007-05-21 21:16:32
275.   El Lay Dave
271 Maybe if there was an oxygen station where the running lane starts. Or volunteers with water cups.
2007-05-21 21:18:15
276.   underdog
I'm optimistic about next month, that's about as far as I'll go with that.
2007-05-21 21:21:24
277.   Branch Rickey
268. Please, why do you watch these games? Even when I called you out on being negative with every single post you don't stop. You are certainly entitled to your wildly negative opinion but can you post anything thoughtful ever that isn't just "I have a bad feeling" "I can't watch" "this is unwinnable" "is this 2003?" "gas can Billingsley" "Bomko" "Nomar has no pop"... and that's just tonight. Can you please give it a rest? It's a bad game and a bad week. We get it.
2007-05-21 21:22:02
278.   El Lay Dave
I understand the lefty against lefty stuff, but the Dodgers are still down five runs. Why not let Billingsley get right back on the horse and pitch the 7th?
2007-05-21 21:22:10
279.   Icaros
Again, I have to ask, do none of these guys have a cell phone when they're waving a towel from the dugout to get the bullpen's attention?
2007-05-21 21:23:09
280.   Andrew Shimmin
208- I don't think anybody's arguing that Tomko's going to get better than he usually is, which isn't very good. I think he's marginally less bad than Hendrickson who's been a fringe major leaguer every year but the first half of last year (when he sported a .260 BABIP; his BABIP this year is at .248; Tomko's, before this game, was at .348), and the string of relief appearances and three starts bookending his demotion to the bullpen, and his three consecutive starts of 5+ runs allowed.

It's better, hope-wise, to have that string than to not, and he does seem to have picked up one stable point of K/9 he didn't have before (plus another this year, that I'm betting won't stick around), which, if it really does represent improvement, means it's improved to the Tomko level.

I think it's unlikely that Hendrickson is better than Tomko, but their talent may not be dissimilar enough to make it worth worrying over.

2007-05-21 21:23:12
281.   Gen3Blue
Its getting near time to play the 300,000 dollar rookies.
2007-05-21 21:25:39
282.   D4P
2007-05-21 21:26:22
283.   Hallux Valgus
what's the rationale for bunting there?
2007-05-21 21:26:41
284.   Michael D
I'm positive in the sense that there are things we can do to get better. Bring up Kemp and start forcing Gonzo to the bench/out of town. Put Billingsley in the rotation. Getting Schmidt back. Getting somebody going over at third base.

At the very least lets get one of Tomdrickson out of the rotation and Kemp into a few games a week.

2007-05-21 21:27:50
285.   Icaros

You're either a Tomko man or a Hendrickson man.

I prefer Hendrickson because I feel that Tomko is overrated as an artist.

2007-05-21 21:28:42
286.   MMSMikey
lol tomdrikson, thats beautiful.
2007-05-21 21:29:31
287.   El Lay Dave
285 Perhaps that is how we should refer to him: the artist.
2007-05-21 21:29:41
288.   MMSMikey
this should happen to suppan a little more often, he just doesnt seem that good.
2007-05-21 21:29:59
289.   D4P
Why is Suppan still in there...?
2007-05-21 21:30:27
290.   Hallux Valgus
287 Well he pitches like a Jackson Pollack. Just a bunch of overrated splat.
2007-05-21 21:30:49
291.   El Lay Dave
289 Shhh, do not question the man named Yost.
2007-05-21 21:31:33
292.   StolenMonkey86
bring in Olmedo. Do it, Grady.
2007-05-21 21:32:38
293.   StolenMonkey86
ok, watch for a bunt then
2007-05-21 21:33:03
294.   D4P
The Vulture
2007-05-21 21:33:57
295.   MMSMikey
raffy needs to split a gap
2007-05-21 21:34:05
296.   Sam in SC
the final line on tomko - 5 ER on 8 hits in 5.1, which takes his ERA to 6.28.
2007-05-21 21:34:42
297.   Bob Timmermann
Tonight on "Shouse."

"Shou're risking a patient's shlife!"

2007-05-21 21:35:00
298.   El Lay Dave
292 That would have been exciting.

Was JP's force 4-6? first pitch?

2007-05-21 21:36:06
299.   MMSMikey
wise is slow to the plate
2007-05-21 21:36:42
300.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday says it was a 3-6 force.
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2007-05-21 21:37:01
301.   MMSMikey
umm raffy, what was that?
2007-05-21 21:37:33
302.   Hallux Valgus
Wise looks like a guy who would have Tommy John surgery. C'mon, Nomar!
2007-05-21 21:37:35
303.   Sam in SC
very graceful swings there, mr. furcal.
2007-05-21 21:38:13
304.   El Lay Dave
300 Thanks. No better.

Wow, was that a quick K of Furcal?

2007-05-21 21:39:14
305.   Sam in SC
these odd defensive arrangements are certainly working out for milwaukee tonight.
2007-05-21 21:39:20
306.   MMSMikey
uhh...are you kidding me? weeks playing behind 2nd?
2007-05-21 21:39:54
307.   Hallux Valgus
jeez, the Brewers have us scouted. It's time for that ostrich lady to repaint her Nomar van. Maybe with a nice wolf motif, or an Indian standing on a mesa.
2007-05-21 21:41:31
308.   nick
Broxton needs work or something?
2007-05-21 21:42:41
309.   D4P
Bob - What's the season record for reaching on a force out, and is Pierre on pace to come close to breaking it?
2007-05-21 21:42:52
310.   MMSMikey
turnbow has the potential to emplode, we have to hope for that
2007-05-21 21:44:41
311.   Icaros
Vin must be reading The Griddle with all this CI talk.
2007-05-21 21:45:41
312.   Hallux Valgus
nice throw!
2007-05-21 21:45:50
313.   Sam in SC
do my eyes deceive me? was that a CS?
2007-05-21 21:46:02
314.   Andrew Shimmin
It's a beautiful thing, watching Martin nail Counsell. I only hope the tag hurt.
2007-05-21 21:46:36
315.   D4P
I seem to be the only one to comment on it, so maybe it's just a Retro Gameday thing, but I don't recall "watching" a game in which more pitches outside the strikezone on Gameday were called strikes, and there have been plenty of pitches inside Gameday's strikezone that were called balls.
2007-05-21 21:47:45
316.   Bob Timmermann
No one rang the CI Alarm bell today? I'm watching "24". Man, I can't wait for it to end.

I am slogging through this season and then I'm going to delete it from the DVR forever.

2007-05-21 21:48:26
317.   Sam in SC
315 - there doesn't appear to be much tension between the umpire and either dugout tonight . . .
2007-05-21 21:49:40
318.   El Lay Dave
Wilson Betemit's OPS is up to .708, better than Nomar's which is under .700.
2007-05-21 21:49:51
319.   underdog
Martin and Furcal are perfecting that throw right at the runner and quick tag play. Sweet to see Counsell nailed.

Bob, did you watch the Simpsons 24 parody yesterday? Was fairly amusing, I thought, certainly more than 24 has been this year.

Kooky inning for Broxton, 2ks, 2bbs, no runs, most importantly.

2007-05-21 21:51:50
320.   Bob Timmermann
The Simpsons "24" parody was good, but the second half was pedestrian.
2007-05-21 21:52:17
321.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Turnbow has a sea urchin on his chin.
2007-05-21 21:52:28
322.   D4P
Wilson Betemit's OPS is up to .708, better than Nomar's which is under .700

Yep. And yet Management seems to think that Betemit is a huge problem, while Nomar is treated like royalty.

2007-05-21 21:53:06
323.   underdog
Yeah, the best parts were definitely in the first half. They just can't seem to end their episodes properly the last few seasons. Still enjoyed it though.
2007-05-21 21:53:12
324.   Hallux Valgus
Turnbow has exactly the same delivery as Lidge/ Oswalt/ Tim Hudson. Is that something being taught nowadays, or just coincidence?
2007-05-21 21:53:35
325.   MMSMikey
of course.
2007-05-21 21:54:04
326.   underdog
Darn, Kent gave that a ride.
2007-05-21 21:54:55
327.   Bob Timmermann
Actually I meant the first episode was good, but the second one wasn't.
2007-05-21 21:56:43
328.   PDH5204
Someone please tell Vin that leading after 7 and then winning doesn't mean all that much when it comes to bullpens. Just ask the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. According to Vin, well, last time he brought up the misleading and wholly arbitrary, the DRays were up near the top when leading after 7, of course, that leaves out all the times they lost the lead with the reliever in the 6th and also when the lost after taking the lead in the 8th or 9th.

Oh, sorry, you can add the Rockies, as tonight attests [they didn't leave after 7, but got the lead in their half and then gave it away in the bottom half and then lost the game the next inning].

2007-05-21 21:57:15
329.   D4P
Martin is quickly returning to normal.
2007-05-21 21:58:01
330.   underdog
Martin hasn't done much in the 5 hole tonight but I still like him there more than in the 6. 2 would be even better. A lot more runs from somewhere would be even better still.
2007-05-21 21:58:51
331.   Sam in SC
well, this could get interesting, after all.
2007-05-21 21:59:16
332.   Andrew Shimmin
Sweet, sweet vindication. I wasn't wrong, I was just too prescient for the rest of you to appreciate!
2007-05-21 21:59:42
333.   underdog
327 Oh, yeah. Even truer. Was that a new one or a rerun? I'd assumed it was a rerun.

Okay, Gonzo, nice to see some power again. Gwynn almost had a stab at that one.

2007-05-21 21:59:45
334.   El Lay Dave
329 He was 3 for 10 in two of the last three series and 3 for 9 in the other.
2007-05-21 21:59:55
335.   Sam in SC
awesome display of power tonight.
2007-05-21 22:00:08
336.   Hallux Valgus
332 save situation?
2007-05-21 22:00:25
337.   underdog
First home run in more than 3 weeks, but he'll (and I'll) take it.
2007-05-21 22:01:00
338.   D4P
Steiner's a riot. He nearly wet his pants over Kent's long flyout, then took forever to realize LuGo had hit a HR and didn't even get excited about it.
2007-05-21 22:01:09
339.   Hallux Valgus
at the very least, we've officially outscored the weekend. Grady's thinking to himself how smart he was for moving Pierre up a spot.
2007-05-21 22:02:49
340.   Sam in SC
I have been spared the auditory waterboarding that is charlie steiner. I caught one of his broadcasts from spring training right after he got this gig, and he kept referring to the dodgers as the yankees.
2007-05-21 22:02:51
341.   Greg Brock
The Dodger fan in the commercial (the "how long is your game streak?" one) has a very eclectic wardrobe.
2007-05-21 22:03:07
342.   El Lay Dave
339 C'mon, anyone, including Grady, sees JP drawing the collar so far.
2007-05-21 22:03:26
343.   underdog
Makes that 6th inning implosion all the more painful. But it is good to see at least some signs of life on offense. Going against Sheets tomorrow won't make it any easier.
2007-05-21 22:03:40
344.   Andrew Shimmin
336- No, I made a bit of a fool of myself calling out the LuGo haters this morning, before seven or eight different people explained, patiently, like you would to a child, that LuGo hadn't been hitting much for a month now. And that I'd somehow missed it.
2007-05-21 22:03:49
345.   Sam in SC
339. heck, yeah. that change he made in the lineup has really sparked the offense.
2007-05-21 22:04:09
346.   underdog
Now if we could only turn that collar into a hook.
2007-05-21 22:05:28
347.   underdog
I was officially in the Less Worried About LuGo Than Pierre Club, if that makes a difference.
2007-05-21 22:05:57
348.   Hallux Valgus
344 ah. Somebody called the save situation earlier.
2007-05-21 22:06:13
349.   Branch Rickey
341. I keep thinking that guy should be glad they time lapsed through him "mustache only" phase. Geez does he look creepy with that.
2007-05-21 22:07:34
350.   Hallux Valgus
341 I think he was shirtless in a couple of those shots. Who watches a game like that?
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2007-05-21 22:08:29
351.   Hallux Valgus
I officially hate Prince Fielder.
2007-05-21 22:08:37
352.   Sam in SC
that will make the dodgers' job in the ninth a little harder.
2007-05-21 22:09:24
353.   underdog


Why can't we have a Prince Fielder in our organization?

2007-05-21 22:10:55
354.   underdog
Fielder and Howard have scary power. Scary.

Maybe someday the Dodgers will at least let Matt Kemp hit - he doesn't have quite that amount of power but could be the closest we have to young slugger.

2007-05-21 22:11:53
355.   Hallux Valgus
353 Because he doesn't jibe with "speed and athleticism."
2007-05-21 22:12:02
356.   Greg Brock
That ball was crushed.
2007-05-21 22:13:20
357.   MMSMikey
what happened to andres oppo power?
2007-05-21 22:14:04
358.   Hallux Valgus
another Tommy John surgery. Another delivery that's all arm. I can't think that's a coincidence.
2007-05-21 22:14:11
359.   underdog
warning track power at the moment, apparently.
2007-05-21 22:14:32
360.   StolenMonkey86
355 - Wasn't the line on him that he was so fat not even the A's would take him?
2007-05-21 22:14:40
361.   MMSMikey
weight room MEAT
2007-05-21 22:15:14
362.   Sam in SC
will pierre make the last out? how perfect would that be?
2007-05-21 22:15:24
363.   StolenMonkey86
358 - who's that?
2007-05-21 22:15:38
364.   MMSMikey
the last time the dodgers had a fat guy that hit .240 and just hit bombs? mike kinkade?
2007-05-21 22:16:24
365.   Andrew Shimmin
Pierre's swinging from the heels makes me laugh.

Thanks Juan. I need that.

2007-05-21 22:16:34
366.   underdog
364 Uh, no. But thanks for playing!
2007-05-21 22:17:00
367.   MMSMikey
phil hyatt?
2007-05-21 22:17:16
368.   Andrew Shimmin
That made me laugh, too. Thanks, Spurling.
2007-05-21 22:17:22
369.   Hallux Valgus
363 Spurling, the Brewers pitcher now, and Wise, the Brewers pitcher before. They both throw like TJ waiting to happen (except it already did).
2007-05-21 22:17:30
370.   underdog
Way to take one for the team, Juan!
2007-05-21 22:17:39
371.   LogikReader
This is so sad. One swing from Prince Fielder's bat reminded me of what's missing... I don't want to say it, but the Dodgers are a dull and boring team. Where's that exciting "one swing of the bat" threat that we used to have? I have to say we haven't seen anything like that since Piazza and to a lesser extent Gary Sheffield (Green doesn't count). That said, great comeback attempt tonight, and please get someone out of the farm to put Bombko out of his misery. We'll try it again tomorrow, there's a new day every day, right? :)
2007-05-21 22:18:15
372.   Marty
250 Very good Little Carmine.
2007-05-21 22:18:15
373.   Greg Brock
You're a good man, Chris Spurling
2007-05-21 22:18:36
374.   Sam in SC

there's always tomorrow.

2007-05-21 22:19:41
375.   underdog
Yay! We...

damn, haven't been able to hear Greg type those words for 4 days now. Sigh.

Night all.

2007-05-21 22:20:19
376.   MMSMikey
nice location on that pitch to estrada
2007-05-21 22:20:21
377.   Andrew Shimmin
Why doesn't Green count?

Beltre was only that good for one year, but he should count too.

2007-05-21 22:22:14
378.   MMSMikey
beltre could have been on something, he was just hitting oppo yacks in the ravine all year, that was crazy.
2007-05-21 22:24:26
379.   LogikReader
re: Green

Well, the way I saw it, Green seemed to always hit the homers when they didn't decide the game... I'm sure he's had his moments of clutch, but overall I always saw him as a "I'll get it done in the first inning" kinda guy. I must say though... he still gets mad propers for hitting 4 on my birthday, May 23, and for getting the single season Dodger HR record that same year.

2007-05-21 22:26:44
380.   underdog
What are oppo yacks? Some kind of African farm animal?
2007-05-21 22:26:54
381.   Greg Brock
Green's power zap was truly disappointing. He went from monster power guy to the eight hitter in Little League, dragging his bat to the plate and looking depressed.

I assume it was the torn labrum, and that he never recovered.

2007-05-21 22:28:35
382.   Greg Brock
Kevin Kennedy says that the Dodgers may not have power, but that they have "Veteran Presence" in the middle of the order.

We just need to sign Julio Franco and Rickey Henderson to bat 4 and 5.

2007-05-21 22:35:43
383.   LogikReader
I'd like to see the front office pull a fast one and sneak in Ching Ming Wong (sp?), Loney, Kemp, and keep Laroche and go hogwild with youngsters and see if they gel. It could also be a disaster! but that would be some wildness for sure :)

So yes to review the lineup would be (in some order)

Pitcher's Spot

It will never happen but maybe I can go program it it Madden ERR MLB 2k7

2007-05-21 22:38:42
384.   natepurcell

the yankee pitcher?

2007-05-21 22:39:34
385.   LogikReader
I thought I botched "Ching Ming Wong"... please forgive the error of my ways and help me with a replacement AAA player for that 8th spot in the order?
2007-05-21 22:40:04
386.   Hallux Valgus
383 You just made up a player, I think.
2007-05-21 22:41:17
387.   Andrew Shimmin
Green's .318/.379/.506 this year. His power went away in 2003. DePo was hired in 2004. DePo was fired before the 2006 season. His power game back in 2007.

You do the math.

2007-05-21 22:41:50
388.   LogikReader
I think I was thinking of Chin Lung Hu, but God knows why... I am definitely low on sleep tonight
2007-05-21 22:43:23
389.   Hallux Valgus
388 Then go with Tony Abreu and call it a night.
2007-05-21 22:44:37
390.   Greg Brock
Lay off the Asians, Lou...

Brett Tomko makes too much money to dress like I do on Sunday Morning at the gym. Mix in a collar, Bomko.

2007-05-21 22:45:47
391.   LogikReader
ps: Andrew, are you blaming DePo for Green's slide in power? That is an excellent point! Green does need other big bats around him to thrive... and I'm sure we all know that we could be doing a lot better than Juan Pierre and Luis Gonzalez for "cleanup"
2007-05-21 22:46:15
392.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I think he is thinking of Hu, or Chun Li of Street Fighter 2 fame-- who would bring power to the club.
2007-05-21 22:46:58
393.   LogikReader
Abreu works for me... who wants a Coors Light??
2007-05-21 22:47:08
394.   underdog
Yeah, Hu and Furcal don't mix and match. Abreu works. I like the idea of James Loney in the #2 spot. I don't see them benching Nomar and Kent though. But, hey, if it's fun to plot out the future, by all means, have at it.

Plus, if you have any more trouble sleeping just watch snippets from the last few games and you'll be lulled into the land of nod soon enough.

Okay, I'm cranky, too. Better call it a night myself. here's to a better game tomorrow!

2007-05-21 22:47:46
395.   underdog
(Even Anna May Wong could work...)
2007-05-21 22:48:19
396.   underdog
{points casually at rule #11 on the way out and clears throat}
2007-05-21 22:49:59
397.   MMSMikey

oppo yacks are opposite field homeruns.

2007-05-21 23:24:24
398.   PDH5204
382 Even worse was the "unified" defense of Tomko. The consolation though is that such only serves to confirm my long-held suspicion that, for the most part, baseball players, active and retired, as well as those commenting on the game, have zero appreciation of mathematics. I mean, 3 ER in 5 IP works out to an ERA of 5.40. A scoreless 6th would have brought the game day ERA down to 4.50. So, the post-game crew apparently thinks that the ERAs that would be lucky to win 10 games in a year are sufficient and never mind that Tomko would have actually brought his season ERA for the year down had he actually only gave up 3 ER in 5 IP.

Oh, sorry, almost forgot. The post-game commentary re Tomko serves to confirm something else talked about here tonight, to wit, those words about Tomko fooling some with his "great stuff". Three such souls are Steve, Kevin, and the other guy, who, realized by them or not, more or less said the same thing tonight post-game without noticing that their "great stuff" guy had an ERA just south of 6 coming in [and putting aside Bills' contribution, had a 5.40 ERA through 5 tonight].

2007-05-22 00:12:19
399.   Uncle Miltie
A classic quote from Jeff Kent
"You come at me with that kind of stuff and I'll give you cancer of the butt."

Though he was provoked by TJ Simers.

2007-05-22 07:09:59
400.   JoeyP
Here's a quote from Brett Tomko:

"I got a couple balls up, and they hit home runs. Other than that, I threw the ball well," said Tomko, who was charged with two runs that Billingsley inherited."

Its must have been that darn Billingsley that kept Tomko from throwing a good game.

"The results are the results. If you're not winning, you're not winning," he said. "There's no way to sugarcoat it. You try to be accountable for what you're doing. It's not the way I'd want to write it up or the way I want it to happen, but I'm not beating myself up and thinking I'm the worst pitcher in the world."

Here's the link:

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2007-05-22 07:17:44
401.   D4P
Kevin Kennedy says that the Dodgers may not have power, but that they have "Veteran Presence" in the middle of the order.

Meanwhile, the Brewers may not have "Veteran Presence," but they have power in the middle of the order. One can draw one's own conclusions as to which is working out better.

2007-05-22 07:21:58
402.   Greg Brock
Our Centerfielder, on batting leadoff (emphasis mine):

"It came out of nowhere for me," said Pierre, who last hit leadoff May 10 against Florida. "But it's something I've done before, so I'm not like, 'Oh my gosh, I'm leading off.' It's whatever to help the team win."

Who knew The Player was a 13 year old girl? LOLZ OMG ROFL!!

2007-05-22 07:33:24
403.   JoeyP
"It's whatever to help the team win."

Quotes like this make Juan Pierre very Ecsteinian...

2007-05-22 07:34:24
404.   JoeyP
Or Ecksteinalicious...if we're speaking like 13 yr old girls.
2007-05-22 07:52:37
405.   D4P
"It's whatever to help the team win"

Sounds like he's willing to sit on the bench...

2007-05-22 08:58:21
406.   Xeifrank
So what do we think, first place for another 13 or 14 hours? I'm going to go with 13. vr, Xei
2007-05-22 09:01:43
407.   Bumsrap
If I were to have second thoughts about Loney, Kemp, Billingsley regarding whether they should have been starting for the Dodgers all year here they are:

A. Maybe they are not ready and Ned is right in putting veterans in front of them.

B. Maybe I am right, they should have been playing, and Ned has screwed up their heads to the point that they are underperforming in Vegas.

C. Maybe a little of both.

2007-05-22 09:03:56
408.   D4P
Pythagorean Records:

SD: 96-66
LA: 87-75
SF: 86-76
AZ: 76-86

2007-05-22 09:06:36
409.   Bumsrap
Houlton, Kuo, Tsao, Tomko, Bigbie, LaRoche, and Pierre for Zimmerman. I think I am aware of the flaws in such an idea.
2007-05-22 09:19:58
410.   underdog
400 You know, in fairness to Tomko, that's not too far off from the truth. As much as I don't want him starting any more, he did make a few bad pitches and otherwise wasn't that terrible. My beloved Billingsley was, alas, shelled even worse (although they did have some seeing-eye hits, too). Still, the problem with Tomko is he can't go more than 5 without falling apart, and he always makes those 2 or 3 bad pitches that get hammered.
2007-05-22 09:23:37
411.   blue22
410 - Billingsley should've started the inning fresh. Tough to win when you don't score runs, but Tomko should've been hit for the previous inning. That would've allowed Billingsley to pitch the 6th, 7th, and maybe even the 8th.

Why was Tomko allowed to hit with two outs after going 5 innings and at 86 pitches? I'm sure the question was posted numerous times above. It's a head scratcher...

2007-05-22 09:30:34
412.   underdog
Yeah, I really think Bills is a different pitcher with no runners inherited, which is why I think he'll be fine as a starter.

And I agree, or was asking the same question, too...

At any rate, any way you slice it, Tomko's numbers are not pretty and he needs to go back to the bullpen. I am more okay with hendrickson starting in Schmidt's spot for awhile longer, Tomko in bullpen, Bills starting. Or Kuo, who is also better as a starter than reliever.

Again, though, separate from that, the offense needs to find more consistency. Maybe the late innings last night were a sign, but they seem to spark to life only when the game's out of reach. Hopefully that'll change soon. Going against Sheets today will be a tough test, though he's not unbeatable.

2007-05-22 09:37:55
413.   jasonungar07
Kemp can hit 250 and drive in 13 people in 45 games, cant he?

Loney can post a 330 OBP with 1 hr in the three hole right?

Anyone can play CF avgeragely with a .302 OBP and drive in 10 people in 45 games and have a +10 steals?

And Bills and Kuo can give you 53 inning of 7.00 era instead of the ex giants cant they?

And the irony is if they did this, they would be benched and sent to triple A

2007-05-22 09:41:14
414.   D4P
Yep. We're allegedly supposed to believe stuff like "Kemp can't hit a curveball," and yet Pierre's .178/.208/.200/.408 line vs. LH this year is somehow not evidence that he can't hit lefties.
2007-05-22 09:43:44
415.   Hallux Valgus
402 That explains so much. I wonder what he thinks of the new Avril Lavigne record.
2007-05-22 09:44:16
416.   underdog
I think you guys are preaching to the Kemp Over Pierre choir here, but if it makes you feel better... ;-) Could start a letter writing campaign or TP Colletti's house.
2007-05-22 09:46:10
417.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam. New DT post in a little while.
2007-05-22 09:57:25
418.   ToyCannon
"And the irony is if they did this, they would be benched and sent to triple A "

So true.

The fan in front of me last night turned to me and said the biggest problem is that when we make a deal it won't be to replace the broken parts. After the air clears, Pierre, Gonzo, and Nomar will still be starting and somebody will be traded who had nothing to do with the problems of this team.

As one of Nomar's biggest backers he looks like he aged 5 years in 5 months. He's either hiding an injury and afraid to disclose it because he knows it could be terminal to his future or his skills eroded much faster then I expected or he is just in a serious funk. I normally would have chosen funk but I'm starting to lean toward the other two options the more I watch him. His play around the bag has looked abysmal but that might be because I've seen to much of Kotchman this year.

2007-05-22 10:06:12
419.   blue22
418 - Nomar now has a .694 OPS this year.

Nomar's OPS post-allstar break last year: yep, .694.

We're talking 400+ at-bats here. This can't be a funk, can it?

2007-05-22 10:10:28
420.   Humma Kavula
419 Maybe it's an off year (July-to-July).
2007-05-22 10:12:24
421.   underdog
Hmm, I wonder if there would be a place for Mark Texeira on the Dodgers...?

2007-05-22 10:13:45
422.   ToyCannon
I felt the fall off last year was directly related to trying to play with his injuries.
2007-05-22 10:20:19
423.   blue22
421 - A Boras client soon-to-be-entering his first free agent period? Run away!

422 - I have a hard time dismissing non-productivity from Nomar on account of injuries. Dude is always going to be injured, you've got to find away to produce.

2007-05-22 10:26:30
424.   Jacob L
420 That's a bad fiscal year.
2007-05-22 10:31:21
425.   Humma Kavula
I was out of the country during most of 2003... can somebody tell me how this year compares?

From the stats, it looks like the pitching isn't quite as good this year as 2003 and the offense isn't nearly as bad... but it's hard to tell. 2003 must have been a frustrating year.

2007-05-22 10:33:07
426.   Sam in SC
as predicted, grady little's lineup change is credited with last night's offensive "explosion".

"Dodgers manager Grady Little got the results he was looking for when he decided before Monday night's game to shake up his club's lifeless lineup.

He got table setting from Rafael Furcal, run production from Nomar Garciaparra, power from Jeff Kent and Luis Gonzalez and a big hit off the bench from accidental role player Wilson Betemit."

2007-05-22 10:35:36
427.   Jacob L
2003 was, basically, the worst year ever (tm). Green's mysterious loss of power was just discussed. The deadline deals for Burnitz, Rickey, and Tyler Houston were just disheartening as heck. All we needed was to upgrade the offense from horrific to below average in order to advance and we couldn't do it.

I'm not going to look up the numbers, cause I'm lazy, but you pretty much got it right. Pitching better. Hitting not as bad.

2007-05-22 10:36:59
428.   Humma Kavula
426 Well, I don't credit the lineup shift -- but they did score five runs, so that was good. If they scored five runs every game, that would be great.

Unless, of course, they continue to allow nine. Then it wouldn't be so good.

2007-05-22 10:37:24
429.   Jacob L
427 Hitting worse, I mean. (2003 compared to now that is). I should do some work.
2007-05-22 10:39:52
430.   Kevin Lewis
Is anyone else having a hard time accessing Screen Jams, or is it just my browser/computer?
2007-05-22 10:45:04
431.   underdog
423 I was just thinking rent him for the year if it wouldn't cost much to acquire him, but I guess that's naive.
2007-05-22 10:45:57
432.   underdog
430 Works fine for me... try a refresh or try again or try a different browser...
2007-05-22 10:46:01
433.   D4P
He got table setting from Rafael Furcal, run production from Nomar Garciaparra, power from Jeff Kent and Luis Gonzalez and a big hit off the bench from accidental role player Wilson Betemit

Um, weren't those things happening before the lineup change? Furcal was on fire, Nomar got his one RBI-single per game, Kent has hit HRs, and Betemit has been great as a pinch-hitter. Only LuGo's HR was a surprise, though he's second on the team in HRs, so it wasn't out of nowhere.

2007-05-22 10:46:20
434.   regfairfield
431 Teixiera won't be a free agent until the end of 2008.
2007-05-22 10:52:06
435.   kinbote
that quotation from tony jackson is a bit out of context. he only said it to set up the comment that the runs were meaningless.

this team is going nowhere fast. it's an almost bizarre feeling to know we probably have the most organizational talent in the division but are spinning our wheels waiting for some breakthrough.

it's time for kemp, loney, & maybe bigbie. and it's definitely time for tomko to go.

2007-05-22 10:55:58
436.   GoBears
The reason the Dodgers scored 5 runs last night was that they hit 2 HRs, one with a man on. These are very unlikely events in Dodgerland.

They "manufactured" the other two runs. IIRC, one was walk-single-single; for the other, Furcal doubled and scored on Nomar's single off Counsell's glove, right? So even that one required an XBH and a little luck.

The question of how consistent the Dodgers are on offense should not be measured in runs, but in components to runs (walks and hits). What do those numbers look like game to game? Because they typically need three good things to happen before they can score a run, really what they want is INconsistency. WITHIN games. They want to bunch those good events in one or two innings, and not scatter them throughout the game to no effect. And of course, that's a matter of luck. If players could choose when to get their hits, this game would be a lot easier.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but I'll bet that more Dodger losses will feature them out-hitting (or out-OBPing) their opponents than will be true for other teams. This is why the lack of power is so devastating.

2007-05-22 11:01:25
437.   berkowit28


2007-05-22 11:02:11
438.   berkowit28

Whoops, that was meant to be a reference to 436, not 435.

2007-05-22 11:02:38
439.   PHilldodger
418. Bingo. I said at the beginning of the year that ceding 1,000 at bats to Gonzales and Pierre might cost the Dodgers the division. Barring injury, that's exactly what we'll get. Nomar either got real old overnight or is playing with an injury. He's getting fastballs right down the middle and is unable to drive them to left or left-center. He looks heavier too, but I have no evidence to support that other than my faulty memory.
2007-05-22 11:02:50
440.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-05-22 11:07:34
441.   blue22
435 - it's time for kemp, loney, & maybe bigbie.

Well, LA is still in first so don't expect a lot of change to the roster that isn't injury driven. Gonzo, Pierre and Nomar aren't really close to being benched, I don't think. Each are putting up stats in their own way that justifies them being in the lineup still:

Nomar leads the club in RBI and is almost hitting .300!
Gonzo is 2nd on the team in HRs for a power-deficient club!
Pierre...makes a lot of money! (not to mention was just promoted in the lineup)

2007-05-22 11:09:19
442.   bhsportsguy
At some point the pitching component will straighthen itself out, Chad and Hong-Chih are already here and Schmidt was fine yesterday after his bullpen session so I think in about a month we may see the pitching staff that a lot of us wanted out there every day.

As for the offense, I am worried that what we may have is a similar issue with Nomar that the Angels had with Steve Finley in 2005. But for an entirely different reason.

I am sure no studies have been done on this but let's examine the facts, Nomar hits better at home and at night. He hits worse on the road and in the daytime.

He is the father of twin girls. They are Nomar and Mia's first kids. By all accounts, at least in L.A., familiar surroundings and family have played a big role in his deciding to play here.

I just wonder if he is having some difficulty adjusting to the life as a father and as a professional baseball player.

I am not trying to be glib here but I don't think he is hurt, though that could be but his legs and knees seem fine.

Any thoughts on this possibility.

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