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Kuo Vadis
2007-06-03 08:00
by Jon Weisman

If you didn't see the first inning of Hong-Chih Kuo's first start of the year Saturday, I wish you had. He got burned on three of the more softly hit singles you'll see: two soft loopers sandwiching a slow grounder up the middle that showcased Jeff Kent's lack of range.

That doesn't let Kuo off the hook for the rough first inning. But before you go with the story that only the good luck of the Pirates' poor baserunning helped Kuo escape by only allowing two runs, know that he got plenty of bad luck in that inning as well.

Al Balderas of the Register and Grady Little of the Dodgers noticed:

"I'm just glad he didn't buy my Powerball numbers," Little said. "If he had, I probably wouldn't have to check my tickets (today).

"He was jamming the guys and they were hitting the ball off the end of the bat. They didn't hit the ball good in the inning and they still ended up with two runs."

Dodger pitchers are striking out batters at a high rate this year - and they need to. That defense is just not very exceptional.

Unfortunately for Kuo, who allowed two hits and one walk in his final 3 2/3 innings, his next start is Thursday ... against leading NL Cy Young candidate Jake Peavy (1.68 ERA) of San Diego. At least the game is in San Diego, an environment that might help Kuo if he can throw strikes - but even though Peavy didn't get a victory in his last start in Washington, it'll be almost a no-win situation for Kuo and the Dodgers.

In the meantime, a different big matchup today at 10:35 a.m.: Brad Penny (2.06 ERA) vs. Tom Gorzelanny (2.39 ERA).


Retro Gameday

Comments (516)
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2007-06-03 08:08:58
1.   Marty
Unfortunately, I have to work today. I'd like to see the Dodgers win 3 of 4 from the Tracys.
2007-06-03 08:23:54
2.   Bumsrap
With Kent 1 for his last 26 at bats and showing what seems less and less range not to mention his new tendency to casually return the ball to the infield on throws from the outfield I think the Dodgers are going to finish the year looking differently than the way they started. I still think Kemp will be in the outfield sooner than later and if Loney gets 15 days at first during a Nomar injury timeout he is going to stay at first.

Just some thoughts that are equivalent to taking a Sunday morning drive.

2007-06-03 08:38:16
3.   Bumsrap
Instead of posting I should have taken that drive or read the previous thread.
2007-06-03 09:08:20
4.   D4P
Word is the Nuggets laughed at the Lakers last week when they called dangling butter-fingered big man Kwame Brown for Marcus Camby.

2007-06-03 09:18:37
5.   Jonny6
A few unrelated thoughts and questions:

It's good to see that quote from Grady regarding Kuo's bad luck. That would seem to me to confirm that Kuo is going to a get at least a handful of starts to see if he belongs in the rotation.

In light of Schmidt's imminent return and Hull's quick return to Las Vegas, will Hull get a chance to pitch before he is sent back down? Unless I missed it, he hasn't been in a game yet, so he's only got today and tomorrow to get a shot. For his sake, I hope he gets a chance - it would be awfully anti-climatic to get your first call up to the big leagues without actually appearing in a game.

On a totally unrelated note, does anyone know of good book regarding the baseball - Dominican Republic connection. I am fascinated by the overwhelming amount of MLB players the island nation produces and I am curious how it all developed. Obviously Puerto Rico and some of the other Caribbean nations play baseball, but few seem to have the overwhelming devotion to it that the DR has. It's also interesting to consider that a country's main economic export commodity might be guys who can mash fastballs and unleash wicked sliders.

2007-06-03 09:32:41
6.   D4P
A new record has been set in hot dog eating. Up and comer Joey Chestnut ate 59.5 dogs at a qualifying event yesterday, breaking Kobayashi's world record of 53.75.
2007-06-03 09:39:16
7.   Hallux Valgus
4 As a Nuggets fan, I laughed when I first saw that scenario as well. Then I remembered who is running the Nuggets and I cringed. Now I can happily issue a tentative sigh of relief (Camby is my favorite player. If the Nuggets dump him I'm not sure I can still be a fan)
2007-06-03 09:43:07
8.   underdog
5 I hope he gets in a game as well (in mop-up duty with the Dodgers up big time, if I had to choose), would be nice for him. Though I'm sure it's not a top priority for the Dodgers. It's more likely he'll get a shot tomorrow if at all, but he was really just called up as insurance in case there's a long game or some other reason the D's have to burn through their bullpen.
2007-06-03 09:45:47
9.   Sammy Maudlin
The Dodgers are now spending 7 million a year for 2 long relief specialists in Tomko and Hendrickson. Yet they are getting a super deal by only paying 1.4 million for Saito and Broxton.
2007-06-03 10:02:50
10.   underdog
The Chronicle's John Shea ranks the best ML rotations so far this year.

Hard to argue with the list overall, though of course I'm biased and would prefer to see the Dodgers (and frankly the Giants deserve to be too) ahead of the Mets. Didn't realize the D-Backs' starters rank first in K's, though a little behind the Dodgers' combined staff in total.

2007-06-03 10:06:23
11.   underdog
Damn, I've got a soccer game in a bit so I'll miss the first half of the game today. Fingers crossed on what I assume (which means I'll be wrong) will be a pitcher's duel.
2007-06-03 10:11:28
12.   Branch Rickey
9. This is a metaphor for all of baseball and to some extent for all of life.
2007-06-03 10:13:53
13.   Dave60
Long-time lurker, only occasional poster. I returned yesterday from two weeks in Venice. I tried to keep up with the Dodgers through Dodger Thoughts from an Internet cafe while gondolas passed by, but have a couple of minor league questions. 1 - Is there any glimmer of hope for Greg Miller, or is he on way down the Steve Blass path? 2 - Also, any buzz starting on James McDonald? I know he's a touch old for the California League because of his position changes, but his Ks are awfully impressive.

P.S. Although now living in the Bay Area, I'm a long-time Dodger fan. I believe the first Dodger game I attended was July 8, 1960. Dodger 5, Cubs 3. Hence, Dave60.

2007-06-03 10:17:15
14.   Suffering Bruin
As I drive off to the family breakfast, I will keep this mantra in mind...

"We're in first place" (we have no defense)

"We're in first place" (we have no power)

"We're in firsr place... and stop interrupting my mantra!"

I already feel more at peace.

2007-06-03 10:27:55
15.   Louis in SF
Dave, also a long time Dodger fan living in San Francisco, but have two questions that nobody seems to have an answer for.

Given the political reality that Jeff Kent still on the current Dodger team represents the best hope for power and his range at second will get more limited and Juan Piere's limitations have been diagnosed to death, but both are imoveable parts because of contract and politics, is there any practical solution to this problem?

Unless the Indians decide to get crazy and offer us Grady Sizemore for pitching, I can only hope that are defense get's better, epecially Kent and somehow the Dodgers accept the idea that a platoon of Kemp, Gonzales and Pierre makes the most sense. In my mind Clark although slumping lately when he gets in provides excellent defense insurance for the outfield

2007-06-03 10:41:22
16.   Bluebleeder87
wow, it looks like Furcal & Pierre are making the Pirate pitcher throw allot of pitches, nice sunday treat if you ask me.
2007-06-03 10:51:13
17.   Curtis Lowe
Martinez at 2nd with Abreu at third.

Why not Abreu at 2nd with Betemit at third?


2007-06-03 10:51:50
18.   Hallux Valgus
Regardless of his splits, I'm a little surprised to Betemit on the bench and Martinez starting.
2007-06-03 10:52:16
19.   Hallux Valgus
yeah, what he said.
2007-06-03 10:52:17
20.   Bob Timmermann
I have to rely on the Wrigley Field scoreboard operators to update me. I have seen the "zero".

I probably should pay attention to my nephew since he's 10 and I don't want to lose him.

2007-06-03 10:53:06
21.   gpellamjr
17 I was just going to start whining about the same thing. Do we need Betemit on the bench so badly? Maybe Grady wants to get Martinez some time so he doesn't get too rusty. That's the result of keeping bad players on your team. This team is getting more and more ridiculous as the season goes on. I'm losing interest.
2007-06-03 10:54:17
22.   StolenMonkey86
wow, Gorzelanny takes 22 pitches for the first, and Penny only 11
2007-06-03 10:54:46
23.   bhsportsguy
Kershaw has 2 strikeouts in his first inning of work.

Loons 1-0 in the second.

2007-06-03 10:55:39
24.   bhsportsguy
Penny just looks a lot calmer and making his pitches without a lot of effort.
2007-06-03 10:57:23
25.   Gen3Blue
Where's Kent. Just resting I hope.
2007-06-03 10:58:50
26.   bhsportsguy
25 Scheduled day off per Grady.
2007-06-03 10:59:52
27.   JoeyP
How many ABs does Kent need this year for his option to automatically vest next year?
2007-06-03 11:01:30
28.   Hallux Valgus
2007-06-03 11:02:20
29.   MMSMikey
ugh we have to watch ramon get 3-4 ab's today.
2007-06-03 11:02:55
30.   StolenMonkey86
Well, got that out of the way.
2007-06-03 11:03:38
31.   Lexinthedena
It's getting hard to watch this team and feel like I'm watching a division winner.....

Ned needs to get a bat.....

LaRoche crushed that....dayum...

2007-06-03 11:03:47
32.   Andrew Shimmin
27- 550 PAs.
2007-06-03 11:03:51
33.   StolenMonkey86
27 - 550 PA
2007-06-03 11:04:37
34.   Bluebleeder87
did you make the Chatsworth vs Cleveland game bhsportsguy? i was there for the first 5 innings
2007-06-03 11:06:40
35.   Gen3Blue
26 Ahhhh. And we got rid of that tension over when Penny would give up a homer. Should be a relaxing day if we could somehow win.
2007-06-03 11:06:42
36.   bhsportsguy
34 Yep, meet and ToyCannon saw most of the Westchester/Granada Hills game and then the entire Chatsworth vs. Cleveland game.
2007-06-03 11:11:39
37.   Andrew Shimmin
33- Burn.

I'm trying to decide what to make of Steiner saying that Colletti called Abreu the greatest talent the team had in Vegas, when he visited. His stock hasn't risen that far anywhere else, right? That's not Logan White talking, is it? Do you think Colletti really believes it, or is it just P.R.? Alternate explanation is that he never said any such thing, Steiner misunderstood and didn't know enough to wonder about it.

2007-06-03 11:12:18
38.   oswald
i saw that kent has an automatically vesting option in 2008 if he gets 550 plate appearances. but i also saw his contract includes a half million buyout option. does anyone know whether the dodgers could buy him out even if he gets 550 plate appearances? or is 550 plate appearances final - he gets there and we're stuck with him?
2007-06-03 11:12:32
39.   Bluebleeder87
nice double play by the Dodgers to get out of that inning. Like Steiner said i thought Abreu was gonna try & get the runner at home instead he went for the double play, nice gamble.
2007-06-03 11:14:24
40.   Gen3Blue
I noticed that Hu had a homer and a triple
yesterday. And he's still listed at 150 pounds.
2007-06-03 11:15:03
41.   regfairfield
38 He gets the money guaranteed if he gets 550 PA.
2007-06-03 11:16:22
42.   oswald
41 then he should be benched when he hits 549. i'm kind of kidding.
2007-06-03 11:16:30
43.   Vishal
so... how many ABs is kent on pace for?
2007-06-03 11:17:04
44.   Sam DC
20: He didn't go in for the Sharpie thing?
2007-06-03 11:17:45
45.   Bluebleeder87

that's a good question i hope somebody here has the 411 on it. Pierre just popped up he seems to be doing that allot lately

2007-06-03 11:17:51
46.   gpellamjr
41 I wonder whether he'll even want to play another year. He'll get the 550, then it'll be interested to see if he wants to continue. I don't think he'll want to play if he's not going to be able to play at a high level.
2007-06-03 11:19:25
47.   MMSMikey
thats it. the channel is being changed everytime pierre comes to bat for the rest of the season. i cant take it anymore.
2007-06-03 11:19:28
48.   oswald
43 645, ugh. somebody needs to pull a tonya harding.
2007-06-03 11:19:56
49.   Hallux Valgus
46 $9 million has a way of persuading people.
2007-06-03 11:20:00
50.   Sam DC
Ah, to be able to interrupt my already gleeful son (he's watching a rarely allowed batman DVD) with the news that Ryan Zimmerman just hit a two-run home run home run to tie the game against the enemy Padres.

He likes it when the Nationals play NL West teams so we have two reasons to root against them.

As do I.

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2007-06-03 11:20:08
51.   Vishal
[45] psst - "a lot" is supposed to be two words in that context. "allot" is a verb that means to designate or distribute.
2007-06-03 11:21:03
52.   regfairfield
46 That would be very noble of him to turn down nine million dollars.

I don't think anyone was unhappy with Kent a week ago, so let's give him some time to get out of this slump.

2007-06-03 11:21:39
53.   JoeyP
In 2005, Kent played in 149 games and had 553 Abs.

I wonder if its Abs, or plate appearances that it automatically vests? Theoretically, Kent could play pretty much every day but if he racked up a bunch of walks, he wouldnt reach the 550.

2007-06-03 11:21:39
54.   Vishal
[48] ugh. here's hoping that jeff will need some more off days down the stretch. you know, to keep him fresh for the playoffs.
2007-06-03 11:22:00
55.   Hallux Valgus
51 Pierre has alloted a lot of baseballs to shallow left lately. How's that?
2007-06-03 11:22:32
56.   regfairfield
53 Plate appearances.
2007-06-03 11:24:41
57.   oswald
52 i don't dislike kent. i'd like him to do well this year. i just don't want him to prevent abreu from taking over 2b. same thing with nomar. i wish he hadn't been signed to a two year deal just so we'd have some assurance that loney would take over.

i guess all i'm saying is that i want these old guys to get out of the way so the team can actually improve. (i.e. right now it seems so stupid not to go for mark texeira because we have nomar)

2007-06-03 11:24:54
58.   Sam DC
And just for another moment-about-me. Since we saw Jason Bergmann take a no hitter into the eighth inning, he's been very into no hitters. (Aside -- he's six, and he roots for the Nationals, and he's already been present at games where his team's pitchers took no hitters into the seventh, eighth, and ninth inning.)

So he asks a lot if a game could be a no hitter. (Rule 9 has been explained, but c'mon, he's six.) Last night he asked, and I looked at the game status and told him the score was 6-0 so no, the Nationals were not pitching a no hitter.

And he thought for a minute and said, "Well, if they walked in the six runs it could still be a no hitter."

Well, I guess that's right, it could.

And with the Nationals, really, anything's possible.

2007-06-03 11:27:18
59.   imperabo
I bet Kent would be tradable even if it's to an AL team as a DH. I'm not worried about his contract.
2007-06-03 11:28:48
60.   Sam DC
After his 0-5 Padre debut in right field Friday night, Hiram Bocachica is playing today in center. RFK centerfield seems like a dangerous place for a spot centerfielder.
2007-06-03 11:29:36
61.   regfairfield
57 I don't think Abreu is anywhere near guaranteed to do better than Kent in 2008. If Abreu is the favorite to win any position next year, I'll be shocked.
2007-06-03 11:29:40
62.   MMSMikey
this game is getting annoying.
2007-06-03 11:29:46
63.   JoeyP
Abreu shouldnt have thrown that ball.
Good job by Nomar to block it.
2007-06-03 11:29:51
64.   oswald
59 that's a good point, but it probably wouldn't happen until the trading deadline of next year. if we wait that long, it puts us in a position where we inject a young unproven player at a key position in the middle of a playoff chase. i would rather know what abreu is capable of before then (not to mention the payroll flexibility in the off season)
2007-06-03 11:30:05
65.   Bluebleeder87
damn you La Roche
2007-06-03 11:33:02
66.   oswald
61 you're absolutely right. but abreu has been impressive (offensively at least). and even if there is a dropoff, you have 9 million dollars extra to bid on a slugger in the offseason (i.e. hunter, texeira, a. jones -- and yes i know pierre is still there, but at this point i'm willing to concede that pierre's money is a waste)
2007-06-03 11:33:54
67.   Doctor

Kent is really the only legit cleanup type hitter on the team at this point. Wanting him gone is like asking for this line up more often.... really odd IMO.

2007-06-03 11:35:45
68.   gpellamjr
67 Who said that Kent should be gone right now?
2007-06-03 11:37:00
69.   Bluebleeder87
that was a beautiful double by Ethier
2007-06-03 11:39:34
70.   JoeyP
Abreu doesnt take many pitches.
Seems like he literally swings at everything, and either fouls it off or puts it in play.
2007-06-03 11:43:39
71.   JoeyP
Russ is arguing, but he was safe.
2007-06-03 11:44:02
72.   Bluebleeder87
the Pirate runner looked out from that camera angle.
2007-06-03 11:44:07
73.   oswald
67 i'm glad he's there now. i just want him gone next year. there's a one-night-stand analogy to be made here, but i'm too polite to make it.
2007-06-03 11:46:47
74.   Sam DC
Gameday is very confusing about the sequence in the Cubs game there where apparently Ramirez was called out because he touched a ball in play. I gather he was called out while Jones replaced him at first and no other runners could advance. And then came the Grand Slam by . . . Mark DeRosa.

Hope Bob had fun explaining all that to his nephew.

"Well, it's not as exciting as a catcher's interference call, but . . . "

2007-06-03 11:46:48
75.   imperabo
That's as close a play at the plate as you can get, but I can see why Martin was sure he got him. He had him blocked but the runners foot hooked around and may have beat the tag.
2007-06-03 11:47:08
76.   Bluebleeder87

your probably right, also Garciaparra hesitation didn't help.

2007-06-03 11:47:29
77.   Louis in SF
How much better would this team be if we just had Either batting second and Pierre batting 8th?
2007-06-03 11:47:35
78.   Doctor

I guess, I just dont think there is any evidence that we have someone who will out produce him next year. But who knows, maybe there is- I havn't seen it.
This game feels over.

2007-06-03 11:47:40
79.   Sam DC
(And Hiram Bocachica hit a home run just for my sake.)
2007-06-03 11:48:17
80.   Vishal
[77] a few runs, probably.
2007-06-03 11:48:26
81.   JoeyP
Russ thought he blocked the plate, but the runner did get his foot around the block attempt before the tag.
2007-06-03 11:48:57
82.   Vishal
[75] the pirates announcers are speculating that perhaps the foot was OVER the plate but not touching it.
2007-06-03 11:49:03
83.   MMSMikey
2nd replay he looked o-u-t.
2007-06-03 11:50:44
84.   MMSMikey
can of corn.
2007-06-03 11:51:25
85.   Doctor
Ethier with 0.308 OBP and being one of the slowest guys on the team to me doesn't seem like a much better choice at the #2. Someone really needs to get hot soon- this is pretty ugly.
2007-06-03 11:51:48
86.   regfairfield
77 Give Ethier's .325 OBP, not much better.
2007-06-03 11:52:19
87.   regfairfield
Sorry, .308.
2007-06-03 11:52:47
88.   MMSMikey
is he realy that slow? good god.
2007-06-03 11:53:55
89.   Vishal
wow, either furcal's legs are still not right, or he's just not hustling. he's got to beat that ball out.
2007-06-03 11:54:03
90.   Gen3Blue
Furc didn't seem to get out of the box promptly, but I saw no replay.
2007-06-03 11:54:04
91.   MMSMikey
i dont see how this team could do anything in the playoffs with the current lineup. a decent pitcher can completely shut them down. ned needs to get on the phones.
2007-06-03 11:54:14
92.   JoeyP
Maybe Ethier's lack of speed is why he's not a CF option.
2007-06-03 11:54:29
93.   bhsportsguy
88 I think he is probably a step slow with his ankle issues, that is why he is not attempting to steal that many bases.
2007-06-03 11:55:10
94.   Bluebleeder87

looks like Martin touched the runners arm before the runner touched the base.

2007-06-03 11:56:14
95.   regfairfield
Guess it's regression to the mean time for Penny.
2007-06-03 11:57:00
96.   JoeyP
That was hit about a mile.
2007-06-03 11:57:51
97.   MMSMikey
where did that pitch miss?
2007-06-03 11:57:54
98.   bhsportsguy
91 But you can say that about every team in baseball, generally you don't beat the good pitching when it is on.
2007-06-03 11:58:27
99.   twerp
That regression can be a mean thing, all right.
2007-06-03 11:59:15
100.   imperabo
I think the most immediate thing the Dodgers can do for their offense is cut back Nomar's atbats. We're approaching a full season of absolutey horrible performance. Unlike with Pierre, they can at least justify the move by saying they are trying to get him back in gear by giving him a lot of rest.
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2007-06-03 11:59:45
101.   PalmdaleSteve1
Missed the Grady toss out...rats.

Was it a memorable one, or does Grady need to take a crash course on Umpire lighting up from the Sweet Lou school of Blue diplomacy?

2007-06-03 12:00:02
102.   Vishal
[97] inside, i think, right in bay's wheelhouse.
2007-06-03 12:00:03
103.   gpellamjr
98 That's true. Good pitching is better than bad pitching. But the Dodgers look awful right now on offense. Something has to change, don't you think?
2007-06-03 12:00:19
104.   MMSMikey
yeah but i think the dodgers can be dominated by a good pitcher. you need that guy who can run into one, get on the board with one swing.
2007-06-03 12:00:29
105.   bhsportsguy
Great, one start and he is going downhill.

Why are we so willing to be so pessimistic when it comes to the good starts by players and yet not willing to be optismistic when are own players are not yet producing like they have in the past.

2007-06-03 12:03:02
106.   MMSMikey
time to change the channel for a minute while pierre bats.
2007-06-03 12:03:14
107.   still bevens
104 I agree. Our offense is fine but we're getting shut down by Gorzellany. He beat us at home last series, too. He's been doing a good job of getting people out and has only given up hits when he only needs 1-2 more outs. The fact that we've had a couple innings with starting with our 8-9-1 hitters doesnt help either.
2007-06-03 12:03:23
108.   JoeyP
Nomar/Kent are both old, and its likely they just have diminishing skills--so to expect they'll produce like they did in the past is wishful thinking.

Penny's off to a good start, but its not really being pessimistic to think he wont maintain a 2.07 ERA all year, and to give up 0 HRs all year.

2007-06-03 12:03:48
109.   Lexinthedena
A frustating Dodger team to watch...Nomar is getting on the ish list with the way he has been playing....
2007-06-03 12:03:50
110.   gpellamjr
105 Whom are you describing?
2007-06-03 12:04:21
111.   Doctor

I think with Penny it's b/c last year was such a bitter experience in the second 1/2. We were right in the thick of the NL west race and he couldn't be counted on for anything (ANYTHING) in the second half. He completely melted down to the point of loosing his spot in the rotation in the play offs.

2007-06-03 12:04:46
112.   imperabo
Nomar has no more pop.
2007-06-03 12:05:12
113.   Vishal
this man hit 20 homers last year?
2007-06-03 12:06:01
114.   gpellamjr
At least the Dodgers are wearing their "defensive pieces of leather out there, called 'gloves'".
2007-06-03 12:06:08
115.   JoeyP
Gorzelanny's making it look way too easy today.
2007-06-03 12:06:43
116.   Lexinthedena
Nomar has that sad puppy look in his eyes when steps into the box...
2007-06-03 12:08:34
117.   Bumsrap
Could the Dodgers wind up playing Kent at first, Nomar at third, and Abreu at second?
2007-06-03 12:08:34
118.   Kingmans Performance

on the subject of Pinella's suspension,
did MLB or did the Cubs suspend him indefinitely?

Juss wonderin.

2007-06-03 12:09:36
119.   bhsportsguy
That was a nice play by Abreu.
2007-06-03 12:10:12
120.   Bluebleeder87

seems like the balls are dieing of exhaustion when he hits them, hopefully things change with him.

2007-06-03 12:11:39
121.   Doctor
The ball is flying off Nomars bat like a softball. Seriously.
2007-06-03 12:11:43
122.   PalmdaleSteve1
League I think, claim he "bumped" one of the Blues.

Matter of fact, Lou was questioned about the bump in his post game interview but claimed there was no contact, I think the Blue crew chief was claiming there was.

What not so instant replay to decide bump or no bump....what would Charlie Steiner think?...LOL

2007-06-03 12:12:01
123.   Lexinthedena
A trade has to happen. This team is not a contender...

Mark Texiera would be such a perfect fit, but he's a Boras client, and will be a free agent...

Any other players have a realistic chance of getting to L.A?

2007-06-03 12:12:23
124.   bhsportsguy
115 He has the second best ERA in the NL since last July. He got lost in all the other rookies who made their debut. I think he is just one of those pitchers who are very frustrating because he's not Cole Hamels where he is blowing guys away, he just gets guys to make outs.
2007-06-03 12:12:32
125.   oswald
is it possible that nomar is playing hurt because he knows if he goes to the dl, loney steps in and he might get replaced? he is just terrible this year.
2007-06-03 12:13:55
126.   MMSMikey
jason schmidt has as many HR's as nomar.
2007-06-03 12:15:01
127.   MMSMikey
it just sounded like steiner said nancy brazoban
2007-06-03 12:15:07
128.   Vishal
[118] headline on

MLB suspends Piniella for tirade

2007-06-03 12:15:22
129.   JoeyP
Nomar's still hitting above .280, so its very possible that the Dodgers/Nomar are happy about his production. This team does seem to be very batting average conscious.
2007-06-03 12:15:46
130.   Andrew Shimmin
123- Kemp and Loney.
2007-06-03 12:15:53
131.   Bluebleeder87

BHSportsguy what did you think of Moustakas (sp) & Matt Dominguez D? I think Dominguez has the better glove & arm, this is just the second time i see them though.

2007-06-03 12:19:21
132.   MMSMikey
lets go kent
2007-06-03 12:19:33
133.   PalmdaleSteve1

SI "MLB also said Piniella made contact with Wegner during the outburst -- which Piniella denied."

2007-06-03 12:19:39
134.   Bluebleeder87
well at least the Dodgers are making it interesting with the bases loaded & Kent up to bat.
2007-06-03 12:20:09
135.   JoeyP
Now would be a nice time for a homer Kent.
2007-06-03 12:20:19
136.   oswald
i'll take it all back if he hits it out
2007-06-03 12:20:29
137.   bhsportsguy
Nate is getting ready to draft in the mock draft on
2007-06-03 12:21:37
138.   Sam in SC
nice take out at second.
2007-06-03 12:21:40
139.   MMSMikey
sweet chopper to 3rd.
2007-06-03 12:22:15
140.   JoeyP
Saenz totally took out Sanchez.
Nice slide Olmedo.
2007-06-03 12:22:33
141.   trainwreck
Yeah, I am getting excited to see Nate pick.

I feel a Smoker in our future.

2007-06-03 12:22:34
142.   Andrew Shimmin
137- Thanks for the reminder. I meant to go over and have a look at the doings there.
2007-06-03 12:23:54
143.   MMSMikey
can we pinch hit for pierre?
2007-06-03 12:24:58
144.   Bluebleeder87
the Dodgers cut the lead in half, & from what i remember the Pirates relief pitching isn't all that good.
2007-06-03 12:25:21
145.   Sam in SC
wow. he mashed that one.
2007-06-03 12:25:54
146.   Kingmans Performance
Dr. Jack Kevorkian...tonight on 60 Minutes
2007-06-03 12:26:12
147.   still bevens
Nomar we will gladly take back all the bad things we said about you if you get a hit here.
2007-06-03 12:26:17
148.   JoeyP
Time for another Nomar RBI single.
2007-06-03 12:27:04
149.   Doctor

Ill take that and be thrilled!

2007-06-03 12:27:09
150.   Who Is Karim Garcia
did anyone else notice Steiner's dismay as he announced Pierre.

Classic Tracy.... left Gorzellany in when he obviously done.

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2007-06-03 12:28:10
151.   Vishal
oh no, nomar is up.
2007-06-03 12:28:33
152.   Bluebleeder87
Nice hustle by Nomar, 4-3 Pirates.
2007-06-03 12:28:43
153.   Vishal
2007-06-03 12:29:12
154.   JoeyP
Thats what Nomar's good for.
Ground ball single.
2007-06-03 12:29:13
155.   MMSMikey
if thats furcal running hes out by a step and a half.

wow. thats a terrible at bat gonzo. it looked like you were hitting infield practice with a fungo bat right there.

2007-06-03 12:29:22
156.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Luis Gonzalez; professional rally killer.
2007-06-03 12:29:38
157.   trainwreck
Nooooo. The Braves took Smoker.
2007-06-03 12:29:58
158.   Andrew Shimmin
Smoker got ganked by the Braves.


2007-06-03 12:30:34
159.   JoeyP
Gonzo's been good at taking walks this year. That would have been a nice spot for one.

Dodgers can get another run of the Pirates bullpen hopefully in the 8th or 9th.

2007-06-03 12:30:36
160.   natepurcell
braves are stupid. they took my guy.
2007-06-03 12:30:42
161.   Doctor
At least were back in the game- this was looking like a good candidate to turn off early....
2007-06-03 12:31:46
162.   bhsportsguy
131 Moustakas didn't really have many chances in the field, Dominguez made a nice play on a short hop to start a double play.
2007-06-03 12:32:10
163.   trainwreck
The Giants commentators have been making fun of how slow Molina is all day.

"He's on second base, but I would not call it scoring position."

"If he needs a triple for the cycle, the outfielders are going to have to break both their legs."

2007-06-03 12:32:49
164.   bhsportsguy
Is it time for Michael Main?
2007-06-03 12:33:46
165.   bhsportsguy
Nomar must be healthy, he is running really well, now his swing, that's another question.
2007-06-03 12:34:17
166.   bhsportsguy
165 He is running well for Nomar.
2007-06-03 12:34:31
167.   Ranma
That first inning serves as great symbolism of how the oh so "reliable" veterans are dragging down the young talent and progress of the team. Anyone here think Ned has gotten over his crippling fear of youth? Me neither. Like Depodesta before him, he can point to the fact that the Dodgers are currently in first place.
2007-06-03 12:35:00
168.   bhsportsguy
Beaven is gone.
2007-06-03 12:37:03
169.   bhsportsguy
Nate is up.
2007-06-03 12:37:04
170.   trainwreck
Nate is up.
2007-06-03 12:37:22
171.   Andrew Shimmin
Uh-oh. Nate's going to get last called. . .
2007-06-03 12:37:32
172.   Bluebleeder87
we had a golden opportunity in that inning to at least tie it
2007-06-03 12:39:07
173.   trainwreck
Nate selects the Dodgers own Gigantor.
2007-06-03 12:39:32
174.   trainwreck
Tim Alderson RHP Horizon HS Arizona
2007-06-03 12:39:44
175.   bhsportsguy
Nate selects Tim Alderson, rhp
School: Horizon HS, Scottsdale, Ariz. Class: Sr.
B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-7. Wt.: 208. Birthdate: 11/3/88.

11 0 0.64 13 2 65 34 4 111

2007-06-03 12:40:22
176.   natepurcell
6'7, durable his whole career,repeats his delivery extremely well with athleticism, excelled in showcases, impeccable control, reaches 96 with his heater, knockout slider, unique player who is a tough competitor.

thats why i picked him.

2007-06-03 12:40:44
177.   bhsportsguy
Nate, what did you hear about Aldeson in Arizona?
2007-06-03 12:40:46
178.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier rocks!
2007-06-03 12:40:50
179.   Hallux Valgus
2007-06-03 12:40:51
180.   Sam in SC
thank you, andre
2007-06-03 12:41:09
181.   imperabo
2007-06-03 12:41:13
182.   bhsportsguy
Andre takes it out 5-4 Dodgers...
2007-06-03 12:41:15
183.   Borchard504
Mr Clutch
2007-06-03 12:41:55
184.   bhsportsguy
176 You sound like a scouting director. :)
2007-06-03 12:41:59
185.   Sam in SC
the pirate broadcasters have been calling the dodgers harmless as far as the long ball goes all afternoon.
2007-06-03 12:42:05
186.   Vishal
hey, there we go. home runs are nice!!
2007-06-03 12:42:19
187.   natepurcell

that hes really really good. haha

2007-06-03 12:42:54
188.   bhsportsguy
Who was that shortstop Justin Jackson(?) that the guy picking for the Phillies took?
2007-06-03 12:42:59
189.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Alderson really gets a great push of the mound. Drops his hips as he pushes off and generates lots of strength from his lower half.
2007-06-03 12:42:59
190.   underdog
I think we should draft this Andre Ethier guy, he looks like a good 3.5 or maybe even 3 kind of player. ;-)
2007-06-03 12:43:36
191.   Vishal
abreu runs oddly. but i suppose it's effective.
2007-06-03 12:44:01
192.   bhsportsguy
187 So who are we hoping for to be around for our supplemental pick?
2007-06-03 12:44:04
193.   gpellamjr
176 I think we've found Logan White's replacement, whenever he decides to go be someone's GM.
2007-06-03 12:44:14
194.   imperabo
190 We could upgrade him to Pi.
2007-06-03 12:44:24
195.   natepurcell

he played with maybin on the same HS team. he was 28 on my big board so not too much of a reach. hes pretty good i think he could be a larkin type player if things turn out right for him.

2007-06-03 12:45:33
196.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Hah. Tracy couldn't get Grabowski, so he makes sure he has Grabow.
2007-06-03 12:46:26
197.   underdog
John Grabow-ski...
2007-06-03 12:46:29
198.   Sam in SC
jim tracy's interview style:

"if you're asking jim tracy if he perhaps left pitchers in the game a batter or two too many, I would be inclined to say that it isn't altogether improbable".

I don't miss it at all.

2007-06-03 12:46:45
199.   Borchard504
185 - they are very low key. I'd be thinking they'd be pretty upset with their rally killer Solomon Torres, who has given back a bunch of leads this year for the Buccos.
2007-06-03 12:46:51
200.   Vishal
nice AB for wilson
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2007-06-03 12:47:07
201.   bhsportsguy
Padre guy took Main.
2007-06-03 12:47:29
202.   natepurcell
haha i dont even have casey weathers on my big board. college relivers= never going to be drafted by me.
2007-06-03 12:48:26
203.   bhsportsguy
An aside, drafts go a lot faster without a Mel Kiper breakdown after each pick.

Seriously, having no trades also makes the draft go pretty fast.

2007-06-03 12:48:44
204.   Vishal
[202] makes some sense for a team like the A's though. huston street was a college reliever...
2007-06-03 12:48:59
205.   oswald
i'm waiting for the day that tracy replaces a pitcher mid-count.
2007-06-03 12:49:15
206.   bhsportsguy
202 Was Huston Street a reliever in college?
2007-06-03 12:49:33
207.   JoeyP
Watching Tracy manage a bullpen brings back some memories.
2007-06-03 12:49:39
208.   natepurcell

thats true but todd frazier is still on the board. the guy can hit@!

2007-06-03 12:49:45
209.   Bluebleeder87

it's also good to seem them in game situations right Nate, it tells you allot about there focus, game instincts & how they play underpressure/big crowds (sp)

2007-06-03 12:49:50
210.   underdog
Darn, my server was to slow on that joke. ;-)

So I missed the first 6 innings. Was Penny just off today or was he not hit that hard in general?

2007-06-03 12:49:53
211.   bhsportsguy
204 My quesiton was answered before I typed it.
2007-06-03 12:50:14
212.   MMSMikey
no tag?
2007-06-03 12:50:31
213.   k0b3
i don't remember the last time kent took a pitch
2007-06-03 12:50:43
214.   bhsportsguy
210 He was hit pretty hard but may have gotten screwed on one call at the plate.
2007-06-03 12:50:44
215.   Hallux Valgus
210 He was hit plenty hard.
2007-06-03 12:51:01
216.   underdog
205 Or mid-pitch. Tracy: "Time!"
2007-06-03 12:51:13
217.   k0b3
210 - he was hit pretty hard, got lucky with a few double plays and got two homers hit off of him..just seemed to lack control on his other pitches
2007-06-03 12:52:09
218.   Connector
Strange...I noticed that, too. Kent has been swinging at the first pitches lately
2007-06-03 12:52:15
219.   underdog
Hm, thanks. No All-Star start for Penny this year.
2007-06-03 12:52:22
220.   Michael D
Why can't the rest of the division give us some help and start sucking?
2007-06-03 12:52:30
221.   StolenMonkey86
216 - I somehow imagine a Plaschke column about how Jim Tracy can stop bullets when hearing that.
2007-06-03 12:52:47
222.   bhsportsguy
Nate is already defending his pick on the other board.
2007-06-03 12:53:30
223.   oswald
i once read about a baseball game in which a switch hitter came up against an ambidextrous pitcher. i'm not making this up. could you imagine if tracy was the manager in that game. his head would explode.
2007-06-03 12:53:34
224.   Gagne55
A pinch walk for Betemit today. Has Betemit become Rob Deer?
2007-06-03 12:53:34
225.   underdog
Duh, I just looked at the box score and saw the homers - guess that could've answered my question but I'd rather give y'all something to do. ;-)

At least they, unlike my soccer team, came back from a deficit.

2007-06-03 12:53:37
226.   bhsportsguy
219 Its just one start and he's not going to get a loss so his record and ERA are still going to be pretty good.
2007-06-03 12:55:03
227.   underdog
well the Giants are losing after 7 at least. But only by one and I have no faith in the Phillies bullpen. (nor the Giants for that matter.)
2007-06-03 12:55:16
228.   Bluebleeder87
Sit them down 1-2-3 Broxton!
2007-06-03 12:56:03
229.   Vishal
[208] yeah, i've heard of almost none of the guys in your mock draft. i'll get interested once they've been drafted.

[209] --> [51] ;)

pirates called broxton perhaps the biggest man in baseball... ryan howard? david ortiz? barry bonds?

2007-06-03 12:56:06
230.   Hallux Valgus
218 That seems to be the Dodgers general MO this year. Swing early and often. It's especially disconcerting with a team like the Pirates that features good starters and a crap bullpen.
2007-06-03 12:56:09
231.   imperabo
224 I think that's pretty much what he is. Reasonably patient, good power swing, but half the time it looks like he swings with his eyes closed.
2007-06-03 12:56:19
232.   Vishal
er, pirates announcers
2007-06-03 12:56:20
233.   underdog
Uh oh, are we gonna have to replace the Bull with the Hull?
2007-06-03 12:56:41
234.   natepurcell

i already thought he was the largest man in the world.

2007-06-03 12:56:56
235.   MMSMikey
laroche looks locked in up there.
2007-06-03 12:57:05
236.   underdog
I say this as a straight guy but I do believe we have the better looking LaRoche brother.
2007-06-03 12:58:02
237.   underdog
Pirates announcers must be listening to Mark Grace. Or not listening to him, rather.
2007-06-03 12:59:04
238.   bhsportsguy
229 Is it sad that I have heard about almost all of them.
2007-06-03 12:59:14
239.   k0b3
i think kent is trying to hit everything out because he has been in a slump and everything (and i mean everything) he sees he tries to hit and when he does hit it, it usually goes to the warning track...he has to start getting singles (just ask nomar) to get the swing back
2007-06-03 13:00:26
240.   imperabo
Ethier's homer is definitely looking clutchtastic.
2007-06-03 13:01:33
241.   Connector
LOL, if only Mark Grace would live up to his last name.
2007-06-03 13:02:33
242.   bhsportsguy
Nice comeback for Broxton after going 3-0 on LaRoche.
2007-06-03 13:03:44
243.   Bluebleeder87
i already thought he was the largest man in the world.

according to Mark Grace, yes.

2007-06-03 13:04:03
244.   trainwreck
I really wish Broxton would learn how to throw a good changeup.
2007-06-03 13:04:14
245.   Hallux Valgus
Dear Charley Steiner: You cannot be "better than perfect." Thanks.
2007-06-03 13:06:38
246.   Gen3Blue
Sometimes its nice to listen to a couple of guys root for their team, but now and then one would like to get a scrap of useful information or even straight announcing.
2007-06-03 13:07:38
247.   underdog
I'm starting to wonder if all MLB balls have been humidor'ed this season, given the overall HR totals are down.
2007-06-03 13:07:43
248.   MMSMikey
juan for 5!
2007-06-03 13:08:18
249.   underdog
Speaking of the all too familiar "warning track power" on display...
2007-06-03 13:08:54
250.   MMSMikey
weight room MEAT
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2007-06-03 13:09:41
251.   Louis in SF
Tough save come up and Broxton looks shakey....On my contention earlier that Either should bat second, where he had some success last year and Piere moved to 8th, today's game supports that. Either's OPS is 94 points higher. While I agree about the double play issue, Either batting at second has a much higher chance of improving the Dodgers scoring and Pierre batting 8th would do less harm. One could even make the arguement that if Piere is able to walk or get on base, the pitcher can bunt him over, and if nothing else turn over the line-up.

Short of a trade, which won't happen for at least a month and Kemp or Loney being called up and Nomar/Pierre being platoned (it won't happen) this could help

2007-06-03 13:09:47
252.   still bevens
236 LaRoche looks like he should be in an early 90's indie band like Husker Du.
2007-06-03 13:10:33
253.   trainwreck
I am probably not going to know any of the players selected from now on in the mock draft.
2007-06-03 13:11:03
254.   underdog
247 Er, except in Philadelphia, apparently.
2007-06-03 13:11:06
255.   Hallux Valgus
249 based on my extremely rational analysis, everyone needs to take 2 steps up in the box, thus providing for the extra distance needed to put the ball over the fence.
2007-06-03 13:11:29
256.   Bluebleeder87

well that's Juan for your money.

2007-06-03 13:12:48
257.   Sam in SC
strike 2 looked just like ball one and ball two.
2007-06-03 13:12:51
258.   k0b3
rick monday : the 3-1, swing and a miss, that may have been ball 3
2007-06-03 13:15:37
259.   Sam in SC
Sammy is struggling a bit . . . .
2007-06-03 13:15:41
260.   trainwreck
Nate is up again.
2007-06-03 13:16:04
261.   underdog
C'mon Sammy! I wanna see that trademark grin so I can get on with my day happily.

255 Works for me. Can we also ask if they pitchers can toss the ball underhanded too?

2007-06-03 13:16:35
262.   natepurcell
itook a college player!
2007-06-03 13:16:48
263.   Sam in SC
ruh, roh. trainer out to see Sammy. this could really hurt
2007-06-03 13:16:56
264.   k0b3
uh oh
2007-06-03 13:17:10
265.   StolenMonkey86
uh oh. Who's hurt?
2007-06-03 13:17:11
266.   Vishal
2007-06-03 13:17:28
267.   underdog
Oh no... did he just pull something in his leg? Not what we want to see.
2007-06-03 13:17:57
268.   Vishal
saito, was walking very stiffly.
2007-06-03 13:18:03
269.   MMSMikey
groin? oblique?
2007-06-03 13:18:04
270.   Curtis Lowe
Any info for those of use using gameday at work?
2007-06-03 13:18:05
271.   Michael D
This is not good. At least it doesn't look like anything with his arm.
2007-06-03 13:18:17
272.   Sam in SC
Sammy comes out. jeeez. I can't be much farther down the depth chart in the bullpen. I should stay close to the phone.
2007-06-03 13:18:30
273.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Saito doesn't want to come out because he has himself on his fantasy team and he needs the stats.
2007-06-03 13:18:30
274.   k0b3
doesn't seem to be serious... hopefully he's ready to go in a few days...maybe he pulled a schmidt and just a cramp?
2007-06-03 13:18:39
275.   Vishal
beimel?? i hate to say it but i'd rather see seanez.
2007-06-03 13:18:46
276.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like Saito hurt the back side of his leg, it doesn't look that bad though.
2007-06-03 13:19:02
277.   Borchard504
I just saw Krivsky at Coors Field, talking to the owner, up in a private box. I am so sure Krivsky was convincing Mr. Castellini that the Reds need to trade for Hendy - I am just speculating now, but maybe they were also saying could we possibly give Adam Dunn away to LA?
2007-06-03 13:19:05
278.   underdog
Saito pulled a muscle in his leg looks like. Doesn't look all that serious but they're taking him out to be cautious. Beimel's coming in.
2007-06-03 13:19:16
279.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Gio Carrara gets a call first.

2007-06-03 13:19:51
280.   underdog
Eric Hull, your life is calling. (If we go extras...)
2007-06-03 13:19:53
281.   Vishal
might be a hammy. he didn't seem to be limping or anything necessarily, but he was grimacing and walking slowly.
2007-06-03 13:20:17
282.   Sam in SC
I have a better breaking ball. and I do better post game interviews.
2007-06-03 13:20:54
283.   MMSMikey
would be nice if joe picked off duffy.
2007-06-03 13:20:59
284.   Bluebleeder87
Let's get a DP, Biemel!
2007-06-03 13:21:29
285.   k0b3
left hamstring for saito
2007-06-03 13:21:45
286.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Saito is in the clubhouse trying to convince everyone to let him add Beimel to his fantasy team and steal a save.
2007-06-03 13:22:00
287.   MMSMikey
can of corn, still not too late to pick him off!
2007-06-03 13:22:03
288.   trainwreck
So Nate, why did you take Suttle?
2007-06-03 13:23:04
289.   Gagne55
Joe Beimel FTS.
2007-06-03 13:23:10
290.   Sam in SC
what could honeycutt possibly be out there saying?
2007-06-03 13:23:28
291.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Anyone ever see a Dodger game late 89 or so where Fernando was pitching, but moved to right field to let a LOOGY come in and get a lefty out, then came back in to pitch?

I'm surprised Tracy hasn't started doing crap like that.

2007-06-03 13:23:33
292.   Bluebleeder87
i really want Beimel to succeed here, let's go Beimel!!
2007-06-03 13:23:44
293.   natepurcell
one of the better pure hitters in this draft, switch hitter to boot, draft eligible sophmore so he is younger then most college players. still has room/time to grow his power potential. excellent k/bb ratio.
2007-06-03 13:23:45
294.   StolenMonkey86
2007-06-03 13:24:02
295.   Gen3Blue
I hope its a very minor pull. Just use Bills for eigth and Broxon for ninth and I still like our pen better than most.
2007-06-03 13:24:26
296.   imperabo
Beimel looks like he should ripping tickets at the Tilt-a-Whirl
2007-06-03 13:24:28
297.   Gagne55
279 Where did Gio go anyway? Independent ball? Japan? retire? toiling in AAA somewhere?
2007-06-03 13:25:03
298.   Sam in SC
unnecessary drama.
2007-06-03 13:25:05
299.   trainwreck
Yeah, I noticed he had a good k/bb ratio. Can he play SS?
2007-06-03 13:25:21
300.   Gagne55
294 For the save. A variation off of ftw, that I just made up.
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2007-06-03 13:25:32
301.   Vishal
[291] i LOVE stuff like that. except your story doesn't make too much sense because fernando is left-handed.
2007-06-03 13:25:50
302.   Who Is Karim Garcia
2007-06-03 13:27:10
303.   Bluebleeder87

another point on that is that Grady took him out in an odd situation & only used him for one batter a while back, i just want him to get his confidence back, he is in our team.

2007-06-03 13:27:12
304.   MMSMikey
lets get this thing over with already
2007-06-03 13:27:17
305.   k0b3
geez rick monday made it sound like the broken bat foul ball was going to leave the ballpark
2007-06-03 13:27:17
306.   3upn3down
I'm watching on MLB extra innings and we have the Pitts feed today. Who ever the play-by-play guy is is butchering names.

He called Gorzelanny "Gonzalez" when doing the lineups at the start, called Andre Ethier "Adam," and called Billingsley "Billingsham!"

2007-06-03 13:27:20
307.   Gagne55
291 I thought there was a rule put in place in the 1960s or so that wouldn't allow a pitcher to leave the mound and re-enter in the same inning. There was some White Sox manager who did that a lot in the 1950s I think.
2007-06-03 13:27:58
308.   Johnny Nucleo
291 That was a classic Whitey Herzog move.
2007-06-03 13:28:01
309.   Sam in SC
2007-06-03 13:28:15
310.   natepurcell

probably not.

2007-06-03 13:28:26
311.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Well, it might have been a ROOGY to get a righty. Premise is the same.

Only problem is you ending up burning more players than with a regular pitching change.

2007-06-03 13:28:27
312.   Bluebleeder87

really man

2007-06-03 13:28:29
313.   Andrew Shimmin
I don't remember ever seeing Martin try to backhand one like that before.
2007-06-03 13:29:24
314.   underdog
One of the rare times Russell doesn't make that play/stop.

That previous play was very close to being grabbed fair before it went across the line, and an out. Very close.

2007-06-03 13:29:25
315.   MMSMikey
thats beautiful.
2007-06-03 13:29:34
316.   Bluebleeder87
Nice Job Beimel.
2007-06-03 13:29:41
317.   Sam in SC
finally. did the last two outs take 30 minutes, or what?
2007-06-03 13:29:48
318.   k0b3
dodgers win!!! thhhhhheeeeeeeee dodgers win!

enjoy this one cuzz it's one of the RARE come from behind types

2007-06-03 13:30:31
319.   imperabo
Show of hands who thought they were going to pull this one out.
2007-06-03 13:30:43
320.   Vishal
2007-06-03 13:30:46
321.   JoeyP
This a game that really shows how bad the Pirates are. As for the Dodgers, its good that you win the game, but the way the team is going its like Jon wrote yesterday--you never know when the wheels are going to just fall off.
2007-06-03 13:30:49
322.   underdog
Nicely done, Joe-Joe. Whew. That was nervewracking.
2007-06-03 13:31:11
323.   Sam in SC
anyone else catch gary sheffeild's comments about latin players being more "controllable" than african american players?
2007-06-03 13:31:23
324.   Gen3Blue
I admit I had to take a walk after that wid pitch-- But HAPPY DAYS!!
2007-06-03 13:31:32
325.   LeeLacy
My hand's still down by my side.
2007-06-03 13:32:14
326.   Sam in SC
318. they only seem rare because you bail out whenever they fall behind. ;)
2007-06-03 13:32:24
327.   Curtis Lowe
321 - Or you never know when the gears will finally start turning.
2007-06-03 13:32:39
328.   underdog
Actually, (combining two previous comments), Beimel and LaRoche both look like they could be in Husker Du or the Replacements or something.
2007-06-03 13:32:49
329.   Gagne55
318 And because Tracy and his bullpen blew it!
2007-06-03 13:33:05
330.   Branch Rickey
306. called Andre Ethier "Adam,"

Stange thing is that if you Google "Adam Ethier" you find tons of references to Andre which are just mistakes. Stranger thing is that Andre's brother is named Adam and he plays ball. Not very well though.

2007-06-03 13:33:29
331.   Marty
Encino Man saves the day.

Husker Du was more an early 80's band. They broke up in 87 or 88.

2007-06-03 13:34:24
332.   Hallux Valgus
328 given Beimel's playoff experience last year, he definitely could've hung out with Tommy Stinson.
2007-06-03 13:35:05
333.   Who Is Karim Garcia
side note: How the hell did Fernando not win the Cy in 86. Trava-sham-mockery.
2007-06-03 13:35:15
334.   bhsportsguy
329 Well, they blew last Thursday's game against the Padres too.
2007-06-03 13:36:26
335.   Sam in SC
oh, and how unusual. the red sox and the yankees are on ESPN sunday night baseball. they might as well rename ESPN to YSPN.

nuthin' but the yankees. ever.

2007-06-03 13:36:42
336.   Who Is Karim Garcia
LOL @ Tomko before the bigs.
2007-06-03 13:36:51
337.   JoeyP
The 3-way tie continues for another day.
The Dodgers-Padres series is going to be great starting Tuesday.
2007-06-03 13:37:41
338.   Branch Rickey
I just read through the game thread and it is full of comments along the line of "we need to make changes or we have no chance of winning". This despite the fact that we are in first place and have been playing .700 ball for two weeks. Our pitching is the best Dodger staff I have seen in my lifetime. Our pitching doesn't lead the division though. Our runs scored does. I agree that we have some issues and discussing how to address them certianly makes sense. But can we at least avoid the de facto rule 6 violations of saying we have no chance of winning when winning is exactly what we've been doing?
2007-06-03 13:37:49
339.   trainwreck
Apparently the Lakers are after Jermaine O'Neal, Artest, and Camby.
2007-06-03 13:38:55
340.   Branch Rickey
336. Tune in next week for Tomko After The Bigs.
2007-06-03 13:39:54
341.   Marty
Unfortunately I've seen way too much Tomko During The Bigs.
2007-06-03 13:39:55
342.   Sam in SC
338. I thought being defeatist and fatalistic was all part of being a dodger fan.

(an attempt at levity)

2007-06-03 13:43:13
343.   Branch Rickey
342. Maybe at 40 I'm from a time where being a Dodger fan meant you expected to win. Perhaps the MMSMikey's of the world are too young and have gone too long without winning. Or perhaps they just bring a negative view to everything.
2007-06-03 13:43:37
344.   das411
AND THE FLYIN' HAWAIIAN WINS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-06-03 13:44:02
345.   imperabo
338 "Our pitching is the best Dodger staff I have seen in my lifetime."

I would have thought you were older than 3. You're really quite precocious.

2007-06-03 13:45:39
346.   Sam in SC
an authentic jim tracyism:

"You've got to talk about it," said Pirates manager Jim Tracy. "Is that going to say they're not going to make another baserunning mistake the rest of the year? You can't say that. You have to try and minimize them over the course of the season."

that's even better than the one I made up.

2007-06-03 13:46:18
347.   JoeyP
338--I think people should be able to comment on whatever they want.

It seems like you get really defensive when people question how bad the offense is. And the Dodger staff the best you've seen in your lifetime? Its not even better than it was in 2003.

The Dodger XWL is about 3 games below their actual. That means they've been winning more games than they should, and typically stuff like that doenst continue.

I think you're caught looking at the short term results, whereas the answers to long term results lie in the process of how things happen. The Dodgers process of scoring runs isnt likely to lead to long term sustainabiltiy.

2007-06-03 13:48:07
348.   Sam in SC
347 - it is a little odd that 20 minutes after a win, the subject of conversation is how badly they stink.
2007-06-03 13:50:26
349.   Woody
I was so disgusted when we were down 4-0, I went to work to do some catch-up stuff from Friday, worked a little while, looked at the Dodger website to see the score, and tore ass home to watch the rest of the game.

Fortunately, I only life 5 minutes from my job.

This team is making me crazy! Hope Saito isn't out too long, but at least we have Broxton.

2007-06-03 13:51:49
350.   Curtis Lowe
347 - Same arguement could be said that the offense if underachieving but still managing to win so when the offense starts to play at it's actual level the Dogers will win more.
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2007-06-03 13:52:40
351.   Branch Rickey
347. So do you believe this team has no chance to win as is? I think that defies all logic. Could we be better? Are there issues? Certainly. I'm not saying you can't disagree about how bad it is. But saying we have no chance as is - that's pure hyperbole and it's all I was addressing.
It's been two months, not two weeks.
2007-06-03 13:54:42
352.   Bumsrap
Loney, 2 for 3 and Kemp, 3 for 3 doing well today through five.

They won't be called up until Ned/Graddy plan on playing them regularly and then space has to be made. Without a trade, who leaves? Clark and Betemit would be my choices.

2007-06-03 13:55:45
353.   Andrew Shimmin
The 2003 team, after its 56th game, had only given up 179 runs, four fewer than the Padres have given up this year. Park factors, and whatnot, but that's still quite a thing.
2007-06-03 13:58:18
354.   JoeyP
Dodger fan meant you expected to win.

There must be reasons to expect to win though right?

Just having a uniform that reads "Dodgers" across it, doenst pre-ordaine the team to win games.

I think your confusing negativity, with being analytical. Most of the hesitancy to crown the Dodgers NL West Champs, lies in the analysis of how they've been scoring and preventing runs this year.

Just as an example, the Dodgers in 2003 had a high water mark of 44-29 on June 21st. At the All Star Break of that year--they were 49-44. They finished 85-77.

Its hard to sustain "winning" over a 162 game season when the cumulative statistics dont back it up. Not many teams can get "lucky" all year long.

2007-06-03 14:02:49
355.   Telemachos
The problem is the post-season: the Dodgers have a good chance to make the playoffs this year, but does anyone think they can take out playoff-caliber teams given their current constitution?

If Kent or Martin is out of the lineup, we really have no "dangerous" bats (at this point, anyway).

2007-06-03 14:03:07
356.   Marty
So, is Broxton going to go all Wally Pip on Saito?
2007-06-03 14:06:46
357.   JoeyP
offense starts to play at it's actual level the Dogers will win more.

Is the Dodgers offense really underacheiving, given their roster?
What is the "actual" level?

Is Pierre at his actual level? Probably.
Is Furcal?--He could SLG more I suppose.
Is Kent?--Kent's old, what were seeing now, could be his level. He's still an .800 OPS'er.
Is Nomar?--Same thing that applies to Kent.
Is Betemit/Abreu/LaRoche---Probably.
Is Gonzo?---He's probably exceeding his level.
Is Martin?--Martin's probably exceeding his level.
Is Ethier?--Ethier's probably at his level.

Thats why people are wanting roster changes, because the offense as its oonstructed right now, really isnt underachieveing. They just dont have the talent.

2007-06-03 14:10:38
358.   Branch Rickey
354. You seem to want to ignore my point no matter how much I clarify it. I don't want to preordain them champs. I just don't want them preordained as losers when they are consistently winning. I love the analysis and it helps tremendously to see things clearly. But all of the best predictors of winning you can come up with don't add up to the conclusion that a team that has been winning for two months is a lock to lose. It just doesn't. And your analysis of what will get worse consistently ignores what could easily get better- like Schmidt coming back.
2007-06-03 14:19:59
359.   natepurcell
dodgers select Nefi Soto at 86. he was 49 on my big board.

i was going to pick chad jones but sox picked him 2 spots before.

2007-06-03 14:22:29
360.   Bluebleeder87
"You see what I'm doing, I'm driving the ball but I'm not getting any Texas Leaguers and I can't find holes, like the first couple months last year," Kent said. "It's the nature of the game and sometimes it's frustrating, but you can't force fortune in this game. You just ride it out and it's no big deal. When you don't have a frustrating time is when you win the MVP award." Kent was National League MVP in 2000.

haven't heard texas leaguer from a player or announcer is quite sometime, that quote was from Ken Gurnik Dodgers/MLB.Com.

2007-06-03 14:24:22
361.   twerp
Were '03 starters lights out also, or was it just mostly the bullpen?
2007-06-03 14:24:46
362.   Bluebleeder87
Is Martin?--Martin's probably exceeding his level. from {356}

ugh! there's counter points to your quote but i'm not even gonna bother.

2007-06-03 14:26:06
363.   natepurcell
nefi soto scouting report from PGCC

Soto comes from the tall and rangy school of shortstops, as opposed to the short and quick type of tools that the other top Puerto Rican shortstop, Rey Navarro, possesses. His projection is excellent and he's got bigger and stronger in the last year. Soto's bat is a major tool. He has very good bat speed and shows present power and the ability to hit the ball hard to all fields. There hasn't been much talk of Soto moving off shortstop as he gets stronger, either. He has plus arm strength and smooth, easy actions in the middle of the field. Soto's stock has been steadily rising throughout the spring and he could be a draft-day surprise. He committed to Oklahoma State during the spring.

2007-06-03 14:27:14
364.   bhsportsguy
361 In 2003, if the Dodgers scored 4 runs, they won the game. That was the year when Gagne was perfect in the pen, Mota was the 7th inning guy and Quantrill was the set up guy.
2007-06-03 14:28:06
365.   bhsportsguy
363 He's the second best prospect in Puerto Rico and BA's #140 prospect overall.
2007-06-03 14:29:18
366.   Andrew Shimmin
359- How many rounds are you going?

358- I agree with you. Asserting that the Dodgers are hopeless isn't analysis; there are a few problems with this team but none of them are obviously fatal. There are hopeless teams. I don't think the Yankees are hopeless, but I can see why some of their fans do. I can't see it with this team.

2007-06-03 14:31:01
367.   natepurcell

hes the best prospect in PR and perfect game crosschecker 68th overall.

i like him more then BA does although BAs scouting report says he could become a middle of the order bat.

2007-06-03 14:31:16
368.   natepurcell


2007-06-03 14:33:12
369.   Andrew Shimmin
361- Brown and Nomo were terrific. Wilson Alvarez was weirdly excellent over only 12 starts. Ishii was decent. The pen was other worldly, but the rotation was better than average.
2007-06-03 14:33:40
370.   bhsportsguy
368 And Logan has gone down to PR in a early round before.
2007-06-03 14:33:49
371.   StolenMonkey86
357 - To be fair though, Furcal and Pierre have historically been better second half players, so maybe around August we'll see what happens when they both get on base at the same time.

It's hard to tell with Ethier; I think he can put out an .800 OPS, but I might just be a bit optimistic.

As for Martin, here are his splits:
vs RHP: .265/.335/.419, 8 HR, 386 PA
vs LHP: .366/.451/.521, 2 HR, 82 PA

vs RHP: .283/.353/.417, 2 HR, 153 PA
vs LHP: .373/.458/.686, 4 HR, 59 PA

Martin has seen more left-handers so far, which has inflated some of his numbers, but he's also hit those lefties a lot harder than last year.

2007-06-03 14:33:50
372.   natepurcell
i think soto is a legit possibility in the real draft cause logan is down with the PR.
2007-06-03 14:34:28
373.   underdog
357 I still think the offense is underachieving but it may indeed may not be much below their level. However, let me take a look at this:

"Is Pierre at his actual level? Probably." Actually, as much as I have problems with Pierre, he's still been slightly underachieving even for him. Though he picked it up a bit for a little while recently, it's still a little below what he's capable of.
"Is Furcal?--He could SLG more I suppose." Yes indeed.
"Is Kent?--Kent's old, what were seeing now, could be his level. He's still an .800 OPS'er." Agreed.
"Is Nomar?--Same thing that applies to Kent." Nomar's underachieving though we don't know to what extent it's age, or a slump, or hurting or having twin babies back home or what. But he could still pick it up a bit.
"Is Betemit/Abreu/LaRoche---Probably." How do you know this? LaRoche just recently made his ML debut and barely got any chances. When he did he showed good plate discipline but wasn't really given much of a chance to do much else. Betemit's clearly underachieving imho. Abreu it's hard to tell in such a small sample size, though he's certainly been contributing.
"Is Gonzo?---He's probably exceeding his level." How so? Isn't this pretty consistent with what he is (though, yes, more power than what i expected from him given his tail-off last year or so). But he's always been a steady offensive player (his D is another question).
"Is Martin?--Martin's probably exceeding his level." Where do you get that from, exactly? How do we know he hasn't even hit his ceiling yet? I think he'll find even more power over the next year or two.
"Is Ethier?--Ethier's probably at his level." Possibly. for me the jury's still out on him, but I could see him actually developing still more power, too, as well as showing more consistency.

Of course, we also don't know what difference Kemp and/or Loney would be making at this point, though as Jon said in previous post it's hard to imagine them doing all that much better than Gonzo has so far. But over the long haul this season, I feel they'll need a contribution from at least one of them. (I would also be surprised if we didn't see an injury from Gonzo or Nomar at some point.)

2007-06-03 14:46:11
374.   Andrew Shimmin
Martin is hitting well above any of the pre-season projections, and beating his 75th percentile PECOTA projection. So it's not inexplicable to believe he may be playing over his head.

On the other hand, Martin's only outpacing his expected BABIP by .006 points. Plus, he's a golden god. So, he's got that going for him.

2007-06-03 14:50:52
375.   Andrew Shimmin
Actually, Martin's current EQA is right inline with PECOTA's 90th percentile projection.

Walk off home run for Vlad.

2007-06-03 14:50:52
376.   underdog
I hope this doesn't sound sacrilegious, but in Martin's case I'm not sure how accurate those pre-season projections were. But maybe that's just because PECOTA and company don't take account Golden God status.
2007-06-03 14:53:42
377.   natepurcell
nate silver should program in golden gods for next years projections.
2007-06-03 14:54:05
378.   JoeyP
"Is Gonzo?---He's probably exceeding his level." How so? Isn't this pretty consistent with what he is (though, yes, more power than what i expected from him given his tail-off last year or so).

Gonzo is hitting .285/.376/.447 this year.
Last year in Arizona, he hit .271/.352/.444.
I think he's overachieving when you consider his age. His OBP increase is significant from last season.

Is Martin?--Martin's probably exceeding his level." Where do you get that from, exactly

Well, he's currently SLG'ing .500
Last year, he SLG'ed .436 for the Dodgers.
His minor league SLG average was .419.
I think its more probable that he is on a hot streak, rather than he's having a legit power spike in only his 2nd full year in the league. Especially since he never showed any of this type of power in the minors. Maybe he'll sustain it all year like Beltre in 2004, but given that he plays catcher and his historical averages, its not likely.

As far as Betemit/Abreu/LaRoche go--would you have expected more out of them combined than what they've produced so far? Third base hasnt been the main problem on the Dodgers this year. I think they've met expectation levels.

2007-06-03 14:56:24
379.   Andrew Shimmin
Well, did anybody, computer or meat based, expect Martin to be as good as he's been?
2007-06-03 14:59:06
380.   natepurcell
3rd round pick...

LHP 6'2 195 Scott Alexander

Scouting Report: Alexander was the biggest name to pop up in Northern California this spring and was drawing comparisons to 2006 Giants draftee Clayton Tanner. Like Tanner, Alexander is lefthanded and athletic, throwing harder as a senior than he did previously, and signed to Pepperdine. While the Waves have a shot at keeping Alexander, a good student, his athletic ability might be too much for teams to pass on. He also has a relatively fresh arm. He missed much of his sophomore season in high school with biceps tendinitis and was a reliever as a junior, as he also played outfield. This spring, though, Alexander has touched 93 mph and was sitting in the 89-92 mph range with his fastball. He has excellent arm speed and a smooth delivery, and the ball jumps out of his hand. He ditched his curveball in favor of a tight slider and showed flashes with both it and his changeup. Alexander was getting crosschecked regularly, which indicates he could get popped in the first three rounds.

2007-06-03 14:59:45
381.   JoeyP
OBP wise sure.
Martin OBP'ed .430 in the Southern League.
His minor leaguer career OBP was a terrific .391.

Its the power that seems to have come out of thin air.

2007-06-03 15:00:11
382.   underdog
I still think young players who get better each year - well, it can't be a surprise if they get better the next year, too. Martin's just been at an upward trajectory each year - though he'll plateau at some point obviously. He's been great, but, yeah, I actually expected him to be as good as he has been this year. I just didn't expect a few of the other guys to be so unproductive.

I guess if you think 3rd hasn't been a problem, then those three guys combined haven't underperformed, though, as I said above, I still think Betemit's way underperforming from what I expected at least.

2007-06-03 15:02:16
383.   trainwreck
Sounds like a good pick and a Logan White type pick. Go with the youngster with high upside.
2007-06-03 15:04:14
384.   bhsportsguy
380 Also BA Prospect #127, so he was picked right around where they project his talent.
2007-06-03 15:05:13
385.   Branch Rickey
378. Once a year starts, does anything that happens during that year affect the likelihood of what will happen the rest of that year? Seems that in your analysis the answer is only "yes" if what happens is bad. Isn't two months of actual play during the year an even stronger predictor of performance the rest of the year than are stats from previous years? Especially with a young player like Martin?
2007-06-03 15:13:42
386.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not thin air. It's part of being 24, instead of younger than that. And his IsoP growth isn't out and out crazy--it's much higher than it was when he was young for the level in a pitcher's league at Jacksonville, but it is only fifteen points higher than what he did in Vero. It's possible that this represents true growth. I wouldn't bet my car on it, but it cannot be dismissed at all easily.
2007-06-03 15:17:12
387.   CanuckDodger
Nate, has Cole Abbott been taken yet? If he is available when you pick in the fourth round, I recommend taking him. He is from Ogden, Utah, so it would be cool having a local boy play for the Raptors, but besides that I like his scouting report.
2007-06-03 15:19:08
388.   JoeyP
Isn't two months of actual play during the year an even stronger predictor of performance the rest of the year than are stats from previous years?

Absolutely not.
When people do that (and Colletti does it), you get stuck with mistakes like Julio Lugo and Mark Hendrickson. Players that overperform 2 months, way above their career averages, and then they dont sustain it over the course of the season.

Its very very unlikely that Russ Martin can SLG .419 in the minors, then in one year jump all the way up to .500 (in his 2nd full year no less) and sustain that at the MLB level. In fact, I'm trying to think of an occurrence when that has happened (legitmately--not roid incuded), and I cant think of any.

2007-06-03 15:20:04
389.   natepurcell

yea he was taken and i liked him alot and would have taken him at116. do you like the soto pick?

2007-06-03 15:20:18
390.   Andrew Shimmin
By the way, aren't there any 33 year olds around here who want to take exception to calling Nomar old?
2007-06-03 15:21:30
391.   CanuckDodger
378 -- JoeyP, over the years, I and others have tried telling you that minor league power numbers for prospects are very often on the low side, and don't reflect how much power a player will have as he ages. Power is the last tool to develop, usually. You have been told that frequently in discussions about Loney, and Adrian Gonzalez is somebody you like who illustrates the point.
2007-06-03 15:22:45
392.   Andrew Shimmin
Happy trails, Kelly Stinnett. Seems weird to ship out the third string catcher, but I don't care very much.

2007-06-03 15:23:07
393.   underdog
Nate, y'all are confusing me. I keep thinking this is the real draft and the Dodgers have picked these guys up. ;-) Of course, I'm severely under-caffeinated today and worn out from soccer.

Yeesh, do the Padres really have 8 picks in the first 88? Man, between they and the Giants, those two have a chance to quickly revamp their farm systems.

2007-06-03 15:23:20
394.   JoeyP
I still think young players who get better each year - well, it can't be a surprise if they get better the next year,

No argument here.
I think its the rate of improvement that I question.

2007-06-03 15:25:09
395.   underdog
391 Yeah, that's sort of what I was trying to get at with Martin. Power numbers can increase with players who bulk up as they fill out their frames, along with experience. Loney's another one the Dodgers expect will add power as he gets older, though he seems to have taken a step back there this year.

390 This 37 year old feels depressed at such conversations, but knows that sports "age" is different than real age. Small comfort...

2007-06-03 15:26:46
396.   CanuckDodger
389 -- I had Soto down as a 4th rounder I like, based on where BA ranks him. I had Scott Alexander down as a desirable 3rd rounder, though. Not delighted with Alderson, but I can live with it. Because of Suttle, however, you're dead to me.:)

For the fourth and fifth rounds, I like Austin Bailey, Justin Grimm, and Seth Blair. Are they still available?

2007-06-03 15:27:56
397.   JoeyP
391--Adrian Gonzalez did have some minor league seasons which he hit for power though. He SLG'ed .486 when he was 19yrs old in "A" ball. He SLG'ed .457 when he was 22yrs old in AAA. He then SLG'ed .561 in AAA when he was 23.

Of course, power develops. It just usually gradually develops, and Adrian Gonzalez is a good example of this.

Russ Martin's power hasnt gradually developed. Its spiked (for the 1st 2 months of this year).

2007-06-03 15:29:13
398.   twerp
Fairly recently--last year or so, seems like, some baseball authority said in its opinion, the '03 Dodger bullpen was the best ever. I don't recall who did the analysis.

Some pen stats from '03==

Gagne--82IP, 37H, 137 SO, 0.69 WHIP

Mota--105IP, 78H, 99 SO, 0.99 WHIP

Paul Quantrill--77IP, 61H, 44 SO, 0.98 WHIP

Tom Martin--51IP, 36H, 51 SO, 1.18 WHIP

Paul Shuey--69IP, 50H, 60SO, 1.20 WHIP

What jumps out at me is that the WORST of these allowed 15 fewer hits than IP.

Collectively--and incredibly--only allowed 262 hits in a collective 384IP--122 fewer hits allowed than IP. Collectively struck out 391 in 384IP.

2007-06-03 15:33:20
399.   natepurcell
For the fourth and fifth rounds, I like Austin Bailey, Justin Grimm, and Seth Blair. Are they still available?

yea still available. Grimm is leading right now although i do like dave stewart.

2007-06-03 15:33:42
400.   natepurcell
rob rasmussen is the 4th round pick.
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2007-06-03 15:34:53
401.   natepurcell
Because of Suttle, however, you're dead to me.:)

but hes a draft eligible sophmore! hes kinda like a bryan morris pick.

2007-06-03 15:37:11
402.   underdog
399 "yea still available. Grimm is leading right now although i do like dave stewart." The latter worked out once before for LA, might as well go for it again.

So what're the odds for the Dodgers first pick - pitcher vs. position player? I know White's (and company) are of the "best available" mindset but would we say 75% chance pitcher, 25% position player? I still harbor hope they'll nab a great hitter but maybe they can find some gems after the initial pick.

2007-06-03 15:37:30
403.   D4P
Phew. Nomar's not worried about his lack of power. I spose he'd be more worried if his salary actually depended upon it.

2007-06-03 15:38:42
404.   trainwreck
What can you tell us about Rasmussen? Wasn't he the best high school pitcher in SoCal?
2007-06-03 15:39:28
405.   CanuckDodger
402 -- I'd guess 95% pitcher, 5% hitter.
2007-06-03 15:43:05
406.   natepurcell
Scouting Report: Southern California's high school hitters--from Ryan Dent to Mike Moustakas to Josh Vitters--outclassed the region's pitching talent. However, Rasmussen emerged as the area's most dominant arm, coming in a reported 5-foot-10, 155-pound package. Scouts agreed his curveball, a true mid-70s, 12-to-6 hammer, was the best pitch for any high school pitcher in the area, and Rasmussen had used it to dominate inferior small-school competition, with four starts of 15 strikeouts or more. He had a 20-strikeout effort that was his best of the year, as Rasmussen sat at 86-89 mph, and the Los Angeles Times reported that he was up to 91 mph. He also throws a slider and a changeup. Rasmussen has committed to UCLA and doesn't have ideal size for a pro, but he has been crosschecked enough that the first three rounds was a possibility. Most scouts thought Rasmussen's family wanted him to go to college.
2007-06-03 15:43:11
407.   trainwreck
Good thing Nomar is not a stat guy.
2007-06-03 15:44:04
408.   bhsportsguy
404 Per Baseball America.

Rasmussen emerged as the area's most dominant arm, coming in a reported 5-foot-10, 155-pound package. Scouts agreed his curveball, a true mid-70s, 12-to-6 hammer, was the best pitch for any high school pitcher in the area.

Has four starts of 15 strikeouts or more. He had a 20-strikeout effort that was his best of the year.

Fastball is in 86-89 mph range and he reportedly got it up to 91 mph. He also throws a slider and a changeup.

2007-06-03 15:44:50
409.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Does anyone have more info on what exactly happened to Saito?


2007-06-03 15:46:00
410.   bhsportsguy
407 I think once the games start, players don't think about how they do things, that's why Penny doesn't appear stressed out about his strikeouts or Nomar about his lack of home runs.
2007-06-03 15:46:06
411.   trainwreck
Nice, a UCLA guy. I like that he has a lot of pitches already.
2007-06-03 15:46:19
412.   D4P
Good thing Nomar is not a stat guy

Yeah. He's more interested in helping the team win than putting up good stats.

2007-06-03 15:47:19
413.   trainwreck
Yeah. I am sure there are very few players that are into stats, as they say.
2007-06-03 15:48:38
414.   Andrew Shimmin
409- Not really, yet. From Baxter's gamer: "Saito felt a twinge in his ankle on the previous pitch, which Bautista swung at and missed, and after a long talk on the mound with trainer Stan Conte, the Dodger closer came out of the game. Saito walked off the field without assistance and the severity of his injury was not immediately known."

2007-06-03 15:50:53
415.   Andrew Shimmin
414- Tony Jackson says it was a hamstring. It did kind of look like a hamstring, but who knows.
2007-06-03 15:50:54
416.   bhsportsguy
411 I think I am going to head down to Long Beach to watch the regional game tonight. It worked when I went to San Jose for the basketball game.
2007-06-03 15:51:51
417.   D4P
Players don't care about stats, which you might think is weird because stats mean money. The thing is, though, that players don't care about money either. If not for greedy agents, players would play for free, or at least, just a middle class salary.
2007-06-03 15:52:15
418.   bhsportsguy
415 On the postgame show, they said he felt a tightness in his hamstring but everyone seemed pleased that Saito called the trainer out as soon as he felt something.
2007-06-03 15:53:08
419.   blutomania
Jackson goes on to say:

No tear, but no news

Takashi Saito does not have a tear in his left hamstring, which tightened up on him in the ninth inning and forced him out of the game. But he won't know anything more than that until today, so it isn't clear how much time he will miss. Grady hinted, in that typically Grady way, that Jonathan Broxton will close in Saito's absence if there is an absence. More on this issue tomorrow. That's it for today. I gotta get crankin' on my newspaper stuff, as there are big group dinner plans in about two hours.

2007-06-03 15:55:03
420.   trainwreck
I wish the game was on ESPNU. Not sure where I can follow the game.
2007-06-03 15:57:45
421.   D4P
trainwreck - The WEC event is on tonight on the Versus network. I've never watched WEC, but I might record it fast forward through it later to see what it's all about.
2007-06-03 15:57:45
422.   weatherman
Just got back from Autozone Park where the Redbirds beat the 51's 14-10. Not a pitchers duel so much. Kemp and Loney both performed admirably, but I was struck by how well Maza played. I've heard little mention of him here, but he looks like a good ballplayer.
2007-06-03 15:59:19
423.   Hallux Valgus
417 Gary Sheffield wouldn't
2007-06-03 16:01:04
424.   trainwreck
I have heard of a few of the fighters and I have seen Urijah Faber fight a few times. That guy is awesome. Maybe second best featherweight in the world, but Kid Yamamoto is on another level.
2007-06-03 16:02:11
425.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Thanks to everyone for the news on Saito. I'm relieved that it doesn't sound too serious, and that Saito was smart enough to bring out the trainer before something more serious happened.


2007-06-03 16:04:09
426.   trainwreck
Saito is the anti-Gagne. He has been very cautious whenever he has any kind of discomfort. He realizes it is a long season.
2007-06-03 16:05:51
427.   trainwreck
Oh, I think this event also has Jason Mayhem Miller on the card. Real good fighter and one of the most entertaining fighters in sport. I hope Zuffa moves him out of the WEC and into the UFC.
2007-06-03 16:07:12
428.   natepurcell
dodgers 5 round mock

tim alderson RHP prep
brad suttle INF texas
nefi soto SS PR
scott alexander LHP prep
rob rasmussen LHP prep
hunter ovens OF prep

2007-06-03 16:07:23
429.   D4P
On the subject of injuries, the Dodgers have seemingly been quite injury-free thus far. For the most part, only Furcal and Schmidt have missed much time, among starters.
2007-06-03 16:08:29
430.   trainwreck
I know nothing about Hunter Ovens, but I want him on our team.
2007-06-03 16:08:34
431.   D4P
I don't think Mayhem is on the card. There's another guy with the last name of Miller, though.
2007-06-03 16:09:01
432.   D4P
2007-06-03 16:09:22
433.   bhsportsguy
Hunter Ovens, is he a reach for a 5th round pick?
2007-06-03 16:09:33
434.   natepurcell

big, strong, fast, extremely athletic, signed to vtech to play SS for them and double up in baseball. He is really raw but classic boom or bust player.

2007-06-03 16:10:23
435.   dsfan
Preston Mattingly has raised his batting average to .242 by going 17-for-40, seven for extra bases. Had four hits today.

Then there's Justin Upton. Has gone 20-for-44 with nine extras, two of them home runs. Is hitting .400 in Double-A. Kemp and Loney are heating up, too.

2007-06-03 16:10:38
436.   natepurcell

a little bit. hes never focused on baseball full time and could be something big if he clicks.

kinda like matt kemp :)

2007-06-03 16:11:16
437.   bhsportsguy
430 He's has a LOI to play linebacker at Virginia Tech. Now I know that there have been agreements to let guys play football and then report in the summer to play baseball for two months before fall practice.
2007-06-03 16:12:13
438.   Andrew Shimmin
Saito looked like he definitely didn't want to come out. It took four different guys patting him on the butt (the true universal language) before he finally acquiesced.
2007-06-03 16:14:27
439.   bhsportsguy
428 JoeyP is going to hate a draft like that when you really can't project any of those guys to be on the big league roster until 2010 at the earliest.
2007-06-03 16:14:51
440.   Andrew Shimmin
Reading the Bill (in for a penny. . .) Gurnick piece D4P linked, I learned that Stinnett had retired last week. So, he wasn't the third string catcher any more. I wonder if the Cardinals would pay money for Mueller.
2007-06-03 16:15:56
441.   trainwreck
Just checked the card, I know a few of these guys. WEC has a lot of fighters fight in back to back events it seems.
2007-06-03 16:18:53
442.   natepurcell

suttle could move quickly.

2007-06-03 16:19:50
443.   imperabo
429 Darn the luck. Our GM plans a contingency for every contingency and no one bothers to get injurred. It's almost like it would have been better to a acquire a couple of stars instead of a surplus of mediocre interchangable parts.
2007-06-03 16:20:34
444.   trainwreck
By the way, I would fire that AA Braves manager for his ridiculous tirade. Stop trying to get attention.
2007-06-03 16:23:33
445.   D4P
Well, at least we paid a mediocre interchangeable part like he was a star.
2007-06-03 16:24:33
446.   bhsportsguy
442 Yeah, I thought that if he were picked, he would probably start at Rookie League and than jump to A Ball or even High A if he hit is way out of Ogden.
2007-06-03 16:29:52
447.   Inside Baseball
435 Who will get called up first, Kemp or Upton?
2007-06-03 16:37:02
448.   trainwreck
I think Kemp will be called up first.
2007-06-03 16:59:20
449.   twerp
The stats tell the story==

From the LA Times: "....Although the top of the rotation has been strong — Brad Penny, Derek Lowe and Randy Wolf have combined to go 19-8 with a 3.03 earned-run average — the rest of the starters the Dodgers have run out there were 4-11 with a 5.61 ERA before Saturday."

Kuo and Schmidt to the rescue--we hope.

2007-06-03 17:05:23
450.   Branch Rickey
From the Wikipedia entry on Justin Upton:

In his spare time, Justin likes to visit the circus. He claims he likes the clowns. He says, "It helps me get into a hyped up attitude."


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2007-06-03 17:16:46
451.   Marty
450 I suspect Justin Upton is dead to Andrew Shimmin as of now.
2007-06-03 17:26:50
452.   underdog
I wish the Dodgers had been able to draft Andy D'alessio from Clemson. Any chance they'll try again? Last time they picked him the 10th because he was unlikely to sign(?) but I'm assuming he'll go higher this time around. I always liked him.
2007-06-03 17:27:16
453.   underdog
452 "...been able to sign" - that should read above.
2007-06-03 17:35:02
454.   Andrew Shimmin
451- Why couldn't his hobbies be adultery and glue-sniffing?


2007-06-03 17:36:11
455.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh wait. It's wikipedia; his hobbies can be adultery and glue-sniffing, if I want them to be. . .
2007-06-03 17:40:13
456.   underdog
Funny you should mention that, I was just reading the screenplay for "Citizen Ruth." (Laura Dern plays her in the movie.) Best glue-sniffing movie character ever.
2007-06-03 17:42:34
457.   Andrew Shimmin
456- Lloyd "McCroskey" Bridges would like a word with you.
2007-06-03 17:49:13
458.   underdog
Oh man! How could I forget! Well, of course, he used a veritable smörgåsbord of addictive substances in that movie.
2007-06-03 17:53:41
459.   underdog
I've come to the conclusion that basic cable networks only own the same 20 programs and they rotate them. Office Space, blue collar comedy, CSI and Law and Order reruns, bad anime, the home makeover shows and Yankees-Red Sox games. They're all on right now.
2007-06-03 17:53:42
460.   Andrew Shimmin
Actually, it looks like the clown thing itself was vandalism. It was added last week, by a user without an account, and was the only edit he or she ever made, and didn't have a source. I've put it right. Mr. Upton can thank me whenever he likes.
2007-06-03 17:58:32
461.   Branch Rickey
460. Ah come on. Just because YOU don't like clowns doesn't mean they can't be a good source of motivation for an up and coming prospect. Many great hitters have been motivated by clowns. Just look what they do when Tomko pitches.
2007-06-03 18:00:40
462.   Gen3Blue
349 I can Identify perfectly. I'll try and catch up with the rest of the posts now.
2007-06-03 18:09:21
463.   Andrew Shimmin
461- I fully expect the unabomer to check in and call me a fascist any minute now.

I checked every single tube of the entire internet, can't find the source of that quote. I'm presuming it bogus until proved otherwise.

2007-06-03 18:10:35
464.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Joe Morgan, SHUT UP.
2007-06-03 18:11:16
465.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Yeesh, Coco Crisp has worse numbers than Pierre.
2007-06-03 18:11:56
466.   Andrew Shimmin
Watching Melky Cabrera play for the wrong team makes me sad.
2007-06-03 18:12:41
467.   Andrew Shimmin
UnabomBer. Oops. And, actually, is it Unibomber?
2007-06-03 18:19:27
468.   underdog
I muted Joe several innings ago (in spirit, I muted him several years ago). Has he mentioned Barry Bonds yet?
2007-06-03 18:20:05
469.   Branch Rickey
467. I don't know. But a billboard on Olympic Blvd in West L.A. tells me that he hates the Algorithm. That's all the board says along with a logo. I suppose I get it but I find it to be one of the most poorly conceived ads I can remember. Except then again, I'm wriing about it so... they win.
2007-06-03 18:30:05
470.   underdog
Wow, I just saw the note about that Stinnett trade mentioned earlier. Hm. I guess Ken Huckaby wasn't available. Wonder how they'll spend all that cash? email with suggestions.
2007-06-03 19:52:34
471.   Bumsrap
Mitch Jones, if only he were older.
2007-06-03 20:25:18
472.   gpellamjr
Over the years I've become less and less sympathetic to the Red Sox. It used to be that I would have no problem rooting for them to beat the Yankees. Since I've found Red Sox fans to be as obnoxious as Cubs fans, and they haven't stopped whining even after they won in 2004. But there is something special about watching the Yankee colapse. I've come to root for the Red Sox and against the Yankees in every game. How will this soap opera turn out?
2007-06-03 20:32:59
473.   gpellamjr
Something I just noticed: there are no winning streaks or losing streaks in the NL any longer than 2 games. In all of MLB there are no winning or losing streaks longer than 3 games.
2007-06-03 21:09:33
474.   Xeifrank
Any Dodger starters scheduled for an off day tomorrow? vr, Xei
2007-06-03 21:58:37
475.   trainwreck
Bruins move on!
2007-06-03 22:18:56
476.   Greg Brock
I don't know who ordered this South Bay weather, but it's the pits, man. Overcast City, USA.

BH and ToyCannon, I ended up missing the CIF Championships. Instead, we had steamed clams and fish and chips at the Redondo Beach Brewing Company. I went for the cycle and hit their four best microbrews. Good stuff.

2007-06-03 22:55:28
477.   bhsportsguy
475 Just got back from the game and the player of the game was pitcher Tim Murphy. After being very shaky and giving up 3 runs after 6 batters, Murphy gave up only one more run and pitched a complete game (141 pitches).

It seemed that he would not be long for the game and since he had thrown 61 pitches in the first 3 innings. But then he set down 12 out of 13 batters and threw only 44 pitches in the next 4 innings.

However, with the Bruins leading 7-4 in the bottom of the 8th, with one out, he gave up the two hits for the first time since the 3rd inning.

After the UCLA coach came out to the mound, they kept Murphy and all he did was strike out the next two batters.

In the bottom of 9th and 121 pitches in the bank, Murphy gets the first two outs and then gives up a long flyball that goes off the CF's glove for a triple but then he gets a groundout to complete the game.

The crowd of just over 2,000 was split pretty evenly, there was a disturbance during the first inning but after that it was calm.

I have now seen three games in the last two days played with aluminum bats, I can now again understand why they use wood bats in professional baseball.

2007-06-03 23:18:22
478.   StolenMonkey86
Hey, on the BP player card, when they have an average in the bottom right for each position, is that each position's EqA?

2007-06-03 23:18:41
479.   StolenMonkey86
I'm talking about by the defensive stats
2007-06-03 23:56:56
480.   Greg Brock
Billy Donovan is trying to back out of the Magic job and head back to Florida.

Um, wow.

2007-06-04 00:02:26
481.   trainwreck
Wow, he has screwed the Orlando Magic over so badly. They basically cannot keep a guy that does not want to be around, but they already have an obligation to the fans that bought season tickets. Whoever they hire next will probably not excite the fan base anywhere near as close as Billy Donovan. They also now have to start the entire process over. Candidates could be scared off by the fact that the entire organization and fan base are in total letdown. The front office had to convince the owner to throw out big money on a head coach and he may think twice about ever doing that again.

I hate when college coaches sell recruits on morality and all this crap and get mad when players de-commit or something. They are just following the examples that have been set by the adults in their business. If Donovan is having second thoughts so quickly, it means he had to be unsure at the time he made his decision and if that was the situation, he should have known it was the wrong thing to do.

Way to screw over the franchise that wanted you so badly.

2007-06-04 00:02:46
482.   bhsportsguy
480 So are you ready to experience Dodger Stadium parking in the next week or so?
2007-06-04 00:03:57
483.   bhsportsguy
481 Fortunately, I don't think UCLA will ever have to worry about that particular scenario with Ben Howland.
2007-06-04 00:07:32
484.   Greg Brock
482 I am so happy to be home. I can't wait to go to a Dodger game. I ran the esplanade today, and will do so again tomorrow. I hit up the Fatburger on PCH.

There is a job in Bakersfield waiting for me, with friends and people I really respect. But man...oh man...To get a job and move back here would be the bee's knees. I think I'm affected by my environment way more than the average person, because I just love being back home.

I can't wait to go to a game. I haven't been to one since we lost to the Padres on opening day two or three years ago.

2007-06-04 00:13:53
485.   trainwreck
UCLA is so lucky.
2007-06-04 00:15:00
486.   Greg Brock
481 Players being stuck with their LOI's is ridiculous. If a coach leaves, the players should be able to back out. That's problem number one. Players gravitate to coaches, not programs. UCLA is great, but nobody ever fell over themselves to play for Walt Hazzard. Or Steve Lavin.

Second, I don't fault Billy Donovan at all. Being in the midst of a job upgrade myself, sometimes a deal is so good, until you have to actually say goodbye to the people and institution you're leaving behind. It's hard. I remember getting out of the Navy, being so thrilled to be done, yet feeling terrible about leaving the people that meant so much to me. Of course, getting the hell out of New England made it easier. Donovan is staying in a state he loves. People are going to crucify him over this...But I won't.

The problem with life choices is that they affect your life, and they're massive changes. Sounds stupid, but wow, it's so difficult. I understand what he's going through. I just wish my choices involved millions of dollars. They don't :-(

2007-06-04 00:16:35
487.   Andrew Shimmin
478- Yes.

484- That's got to be on of Bob's favorite games. Fifteen hits, five walks, two runs.

2007-06-04 00:18:36
488.   trainwreck
Yeah, but this is because the Magic gave him a small time frame to make his decision. They needed to know quickly and if you have to make a quick decision you better have a full grasp of what you want to do or else you are probably going to regret it. Clearly, Billy did.
2007-06-04 00:27:41
489.   trainwreck
There is part of me that sympathizes with Donovan, but then there is also part of me that says he has made no secret he would leave Florida for the right job.
2007-06-04 00:29:30
490.   Greg Brock
488 He's going to get crucified over this. I think he should be applauded. Sometimes we forget that these sports icons are human beings with wives and children and Little League teams and soccer teams and PTA clubs and neighborhood watch groups and ballet lessons and whatnot.

My Dad gave up a ton of dough to stay in Southern California. He sacrificed a ton to maintain stability and live where he wanted. We could have been the upper crust of Arkansas, which would have sucked majorly. I thank him for that. Maybe Donovan is willing to sacrifice a little bit for stability and comfort.

Of course, these sacrifices are relative. Dude is still rich and young and handsome and living in Florida.

On second thought, I hate Billy Donovan. Stupid rich guy!

2007-06-04 00:37:14
491.   trainwreck
Plus, this totally ruins any chance of my dream of Steve Lavin coaching Florida. Steve Lavin in the SEC fits so well.
2007-06-04 00:44:44
492.   Greg Brock
491 I don't think Lavin will take another coaching job. He'll work at ESPN and talk about his Sweet 16 appearances and become their lead analyst. Because if he took a job at Purdue, Florida, LSU, or some other school, he would fail. Because he's a terrible coach. It would damage the credibility that other people seem to believe he has. He'll live off the UCLA carcass for the rest of his career and work for ESPN.
2007-06-04 00:52:11
493.   trainwreck
Sigh, probably not. At least, I will get to see Lavin being forced to kiss Howland's butt in the future.
2007-06-04 01:36:10
494.   Andrew Shimmin
The Justin Upton clown thing reappeared on Wikipedia. Perplexing. It was added, originally, by somebody in Dallas, now it's somebody in Phoenix, who has contributed to other articles. Unless it's an inside joke somewhere, it may be true.

Which is just horrifying.

2007-06-04 05:57:04
495.   gpellamjr
494 Moments after I read that on dodgerthoughts, I showed a friend in an IM. He checked the wikipedia page, saw that it wasn't there then accused me of lying. A few minutes later, he refreshed the screen (I don't know why), and it was back. I would accuse him of the treachery, but he is in New Mexico.
2007-06-04 06:36:41
496.   Penarol1916
490. It's like we are opposites, my dad gave up a ton of money to leave California and move to Missouri, which is next to Arkansas. The only thing I missed was the lack of humidity and the Dodger games.
2007-06-04 06:41:22
497.   D4P
Speaking of humidity, while it's not actually humid here yet, it's supposed to be 96 degrees on Friday. NINETY-SIX!!! And it's not even summer yet.
2007-06-04 08:19:03
498.   Bob Timmermann
My sister-in-law is in Durham right now. Say hi to her.

She's a chemist. So you should be able to recognize her.

2007-06-04 08:21:23
499.   Greg Brock
And David Beckham doesn't want to play for the Galaxy?

Maybe second thoughtsitis is contagious.

2007-06-04 08:29:23
500.   Bumsrap
This is late but just the same I am posting my thoughts on Nomar and Peirre. I think McCourt let Colletti know he would like to see Nomar back on the team as he was probably a favorite while in Boston. Nomar should have been preparing at third base at the beginning of Spring and Loney should have been the first baseman.

The Dodgers needed a dependable outfielder and got one in Pierre but Peirre should have only been an insurance policy to Kemp, Repko, and Ethier and told that so Peirre could make an imformed decision when he chosse either the Giants or the Dodgers.

Peirre was not the only insurance policy available but I am OK with Ned doing what he thought best if he approached the signing as only insurance.

Anybody that has seen Abreu play should be excited that he is with the Dodgers. Regarding LaRoche, he has huge holes in his swing and has to be selective or look bad swinging and missing. Ted Williams and Barry Bonds generally swing at strikes and strikes that they can hit well and generally do not swing at the other pitches. If that leads to walks fine but taking hitable strikes just to make the pitcher throw more In my humble opinion leads to less success.

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2007-06-04 08:29:43
501.   Bob Timmermann
I don' think so....

*A row broke out earlier this week with Los Angeles Galaxy boss Frank Yallop insisting Beckham would not be sent out on loan.
The club's general manager, Alexi Lalas, hit back by claiming he would consider a loan move for the former Manchester United star.
But Beckham has quashed the speculation by insisting he has turned his back on the Premiership.
'Will I be coming back somewhere on loan? No,' Beckham said.'That is never going to happen.'*

2007-06-04 08:34:12
502.   D4P
Unless she breaks into my house, I'm unlikely to run into her today.
2007-06-04 08:35:31
503.   gpellamjr
501 I don't know what any of that means.
2007-06-04 08:41:33
504.   Kevin Lewis

Greg, are you talking about the one across the street from Tony Roma's near Torrance Beach? I miss that place. Great burgers and fries, and of course the memories of growing up over there.

2007-06-04 09:03:46
505.   ToyCannon
One day at the strand beats a year in Bakersfield depending on your gender and age.
2007-06-04 09:08:09
506.   Bumsrap
My memories of Bakersfield were collected on my windshield
2007-06-04 09:09:54
507.   Bumsrap
503 - It was VORP to me as well.
2007-06-04 09:13:01
508.   Greg Brock
505 Indeed.

504 On Catalina, right next to PV BLVD.

2007-06-04 09:28:25
509.   capdodger
503 507 Soccer players can be loaned from one team to another. The player plays for the team to which he is loaned, and returns to the lending team at the end of the season. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on this, but the loaned to team pays the player. There may also be some sort of fee to the lending team.
2007-06-04 09:39:02
510.   underdog
I wish my soccer team would loan me out. (I'm sure they're thinking about it...)
2007-06-04 09:41:18
511.   capdodger
Quickie Straw Poll: Nomo's loss of dominance/competency:

Batters adjusted?
Lost Velocity?

2007-06-04 09:44:34
512.   regfairfield
511 The first time or the second time?
2007-06-04 09:45:08
513.   D4P
Quickie Straw Poll: Nomar's loss of dominance/competency:

Pitchers adjusted?
Lost bat speed?

2007-06-04 09:47:07
514.   underdog
{Waiting for the Vicente Romo straw poll}
2007-06-04 09:47:22
515.   capdodger
Well, Both... And by Batters adjusted, I mean adjusted to his delivery. I'm in a row over on BB about funky deliveries and Okajima. Nomo-san was used as an example of someone who "fell off a cliff" after two years of dominance because his delivery was old hat.
2007-06-04 09:47:49
516.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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