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June 4 Game Chat
2007-06-04 15:17
by Jon Weisman

Today's 4:05 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (665)
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2007-06-04 16:04:58
1.   Humma Kavula
Andrew, re 141 in the last thread -- are those MLE numbers? If not.... ick.
2007-06-04 16:06:53
2.   regfairfield
1 I'm assuming it's setting his BABIP to his line drive percentage +.12.
2007-06-04 16:07:11
3.   natepurcell
i dont understand how Hu's line drive percentage can be so low when he has 22 doubles and 4 triples.
2007-06-04 16:07:33
4.   Bluebleeder87
in the spirit of yesterdays victory here is a quote from Dodgerdugout Dot Com witch was written 5-31-07 On another note, the more I watch him, the more I'm convinced that Andre Ethier is a major key to the Dodgers success this year. No, Andre isn't setting the league on fire with his .272 average. Nor is he belting monster home runs on a daily basis. Ethier is, however, that steady presence near the bottom of the lineup that gives you quality at-bats. He's the guy who flys under the radar; the guy that opposing pitchers don't fear - and he makes them pay for it. He, like Martin, is becoming that dependable bat. He's not usually the guy at the plate with the game-winning hit. He's the guy who scored the tying run ahead of it, or the guy who reached base earlier to extend the inning. Oh, and he plays some solid "D" too. Ethier is a pretty solid package, eh?
2007-06-04 16:08:35
5.   Humma Kavula
Juan is getting those bunt numbers up toward his career average.
2007-06-04 16:09:30
6.   thinkblue0
It'd be nice to scratch across an early run here.
2007-06-04 16:10:11
7.   JimBilly4
While I look at 29-year old prospects with a great deal of suspicion, I would really like to see Mitch Jones get a chance. He has been a slugger throughout his career, never hitting less than 21 HRs and hitting as many as 39. He walks plenty (career OBP nearly 90 points higher than BA). His pitfall has been a low BA (.245 avg), resulting from what looks like a a lot of strike outs (1/3 of the time).

Obviously if we got the present .295/.397/.682 model he would be an all star, but even the .268/.347/.507 model would be quite a handy power bat.

Barring some serious injury, though, I don't see him on the Dodgers, as they would be foolish not to promote Kemp before him. Unless he can play 3rd base (something .397/

2007-06-04 16:10:27
8.   JimBilly4
While I look at 29-year old prospects with a great deal of suspicion, I would really like to see Mitch Jones get a chance. He has been a slugger throughout his career, never hitting less than 21 HRs and hitting as many as 39. He walks plenty (career OBP nearly 90 points higher than BA). His pitfall has been a low BA (.245 avg), resulting from what looks like a a lot of strike outs (1/3 of the time).

Obviously if we got the present .295/.397/.682 model he would be an all star, but even the .268/.347/.507 model would be quite a handy power bat.

Barring some serious injury, though, I don't see him on the Dodgers, as they would be foolish not to promote Kemp before him. Unless he can play 3rd base (something .397/

2007-06-04 16:10:27
9.   Bluebleeder87
Jason Bay reminds me of Pedro Guerrero with those shoe string catches.
2007-06-04 16:12:16
10.   JimBilly4
Not only did I double post. I double posted a monster cut and paste type.

Sigh. Back to lurking.

2007-06-04 16:12:38
11.   Jacob L
What say we wreak a little havoc on those basepaths, and give the opposing defense fits?
2007-06-04 16:13:12
12.   Humma Kavula
Good job, Kent. Nice running, Juan!
2007-06-04 16:13:13
13.   natepurcell
steiner was way calm with that kent double off the wall.
2007-06-04 16:13:25
14.   Bluebleeder87
It'd be nice to scratch across an early run here.


2007-06-04 16:14:00
15.   underdog
And there you go!
2007-06-04 16:14:05
16.   Jacob L
10 I thought it was good enough to read twice! I just don't know who this Mitch Jones fellow is.
2007-06-04 16:15:24
17.   regfairfield
4 He has a .312 on base percentage. If he was giving us good at bats he would do things like not make outs more often than anyone on the team but Juan Pierre.
2007-06-04 16:16:38
18.   Humma Kavula
7/8 The humanist in me -- hey, didn't I kill him years ago? -- feels for Mitch Jones. The difference between him and a useful MLB bench player is very, very small indeed.

But as you point out, he has no role on the Dodgers. If Pierre loses his job -- and he should -- it will not be so that Mitch Jones (the "29-year-old 'prospect,'" if such a thing is not a contradiction in terms) can get a shot.

In other words, it's too bad for Mitch, but he needs a trade.

2007-06-04 16:18:44
19.   Jacob L
Ethier's had a couple of game winning homers in the last week+. That might tend to color people's perception.
2007-06-04 16:19:04
20.   Humma Kavula
4 17 I root for Ethier, just like I rooted for him last year... but last year, I sure thought that his year was looking like a fluke and was anxious about what he'd do this year.

I root for Ethier, but if some other team wanted him in a trade and was offering a player I like, I would encourage Colletti to listen to that offer and consider it carefully.

2007-06-04 16:22:06
21.   Marty
RIP Clete Boyer. You don't see too many Cletuses nowadays.
2007-06-04 16:25:31
22.   Humma Kavula
21 Some folk'll never eat a snake, and then again, some folk'll.
2007-06-04 16:26:06
23.   underdog
22 Heh, I was just thinking the same thing. Well, Boyer was no slack-jawed yokel!
2007-06-04 16:26:44
24.   blue22
22 - Exactly what sprung to my mind too.

Some folk'll never lose a toe, and then again, some folk'll...

2007-06-04 16:31:42
25.   Eric Stephen
The Pirates' announcers (Greg Brown & Bob Walk) are pretty boring. Bob Walk is particularly sleep-inducing.

Someone in the crowd was wearing a Chargers #17 jersey (Phillip Rivers) and Walk said "hey look, Drew Brees."

That said, they are better than Rick Monday!

2007-06-04 16:32:28
26.   Bluebleeder87
D Lowe is painting the corners nicely
2007-06-04 16:33:05
27.   underdog
Yeah, we were talking about them here this weekend. They are not offensive, or all dumb, just incredibly dull. I literally had to turn them off while here at work because I was falling asleep.
2007-06-04 16:33:43
28.   underdog
Lowe looks really "on" so far. Hope it continues.
2007-06-04 16:36:25
29.   Humma Kavula
Speaking of Rick Monday, can I complain for a minute about the Aamco commerical he does on the radio?

There's this line in there -- "If your car has a problem, you have a problem."

This is a riff on a phrase like "If your neighbor has a problem, you have a problem," or "If your assistant has a problem, you have a problem." That is, even though the problems of the other person would not seem to affect you directly, that person is in a position to make your life hell; therefore, if you can help that person out of his/her problems, it will pay off to you personally down the line.

Back to the commercial: "If your car has a problem, you have a problem." Well, yeah. Whose problem would it be? My car is not a sentient being. It cannot take care of itself. If my car has a problem, I have a problem: namely, it is that my car has a problem.

Drives me nuts every time I hear it.

2007-06-04 16:40:33
30.   Xeifrank
Derek Lowe is due for a dominating performance. vr, Xei
2007-06-04 16:41:36
31.   Jacob L
29 I hear ya, but that's not exactly Rick Monday's fault. On the other hand, if you're going to come up with a slogan that doesn't make any sense, who better to deliver it . . .
2007-06-04 16:42:42
32.   Humma Kavula
Is the way Rick Monday is pronouncing the Pirates' pitcher's name correct? Is it really pronounced Muh-HOLL-um?
2007-06-04 16:42:56
33.   Bluebleeder87
D Lowe makes quick work of the Pirates 1-2-3.
2007-06-04 16:46:07
34.   Bluebleeder87
it must have been pretty frustrating for Xavier Nady riding high with the Mets & then being traded to the Pirates, the Pirates are a team on the rise i suppose so it isn't that bad.
2007-06-04 16:46:16
35.   underdog
Sigh. Nomar, would it kill you to not swing at the first pitch once in awhile?
2007-06-04 16:46:32
36.   Jacob L
32 According to the bio on the Pirates website, yeah that's actually correct. I've never heard anybody else pronounce it that way, so good on Monday, I guess.
2007-06-04 16:46:53
37.   Eric Stephen
If your team's radio announcer has a problem, you have a problem!
2007-06-04 16:48:27
38.   Jacob L
If your team's radio announcer has a problem, there's always Jaime, Renee, Pepe, and Fernando over on 1330 a.m.
2007-06-04 16:50:28
39.   Bluebleeder87

if i don't have a problem i make it my problem. :o)

2007-06-04 16:51:50
40.   underdog
Valhalla, er, Mahallo, er Maholm, is pitching pretty well, too, except for that Kent hit. I sorta figured this would be a pitcher's duel.
2007-06-04 16:52:38
41.   bhsportsguy
40 Its a getaway day for both.
2007-06-04 16:53:43
42.   underdog
Wow, they just showed a clip of Barry Bonds hitting a home run on this date in the 1980s, vs the Braves. It's freaky to see a pre-steroids, I mean, pre-bulk, Bonds.
2007-06-04 16:55:26
43.   Humma Kavula
43 pitches through 4 innings for Lowe.
2007-06-04 16:55:43
44.   Bluebleeder87

witch makes it more puzzling on why "they" didn't choose to play this game earlier.

2007-06-04 16:55:51
45.   Xeifrank
Dodgers pre-game win probability was 56.25% and after the first three full innings, the "win expectancy calculator" gave the Dodgers a 62.15% win probability.
vr, Xei
2007-06-04 17:01:27
46.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Who has two thumbs and thought we were in SD today?


I kept trying to convince myself this was SOMEHOW a replay of yesterday's game.

2007-06-04 17:01:42
47.   bhsportsguy
44 They only have a one hour plus flight to DC so they could schedule the game for more fan attendance at night and not have a really late check in.
2007-06-04 17:02:53
48.   Lexinthedena
Brady Clark is a better offensive and defensive player than Juan has become impossible not feel in any way good about Juan Gone...
2007-06-04 17:03:21
49.   underdog
I'm telling ya, it's because Jim Tracy wanted to punish the Dodgers.
2007-06-04 17:05:08
50.   bhsportsguy
Hey Nate, I just heard back from Josh R., he said there are just way too many folks on the blog to have a contest again and last year was unique with the three picks in the first 31 players chosen.

He hopes to bring on DaJon and the other development personnel online to update everyone on the progress of the minor league players.

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2007-06-04 17:05:10
51.   Jacob L
47 Well, since the Dodgers will gain 3 hours flying west, they might get to bed only an hour later on the clock than the Pirates do. Not so a big deal, methinks. I do hope, though, that we sent tomorrow's starter (Wolf, right?) on the early flight to San Diego.

Sometimes you think you know what true love is, then you catch the early flight from San Diego . . .

2007-06-04 17:05:30
52.   Bluebleeder87
hopefully Lowe won't get shaken up because of that play.
2007-06-04 17:05:41
53.   Gen3Blue
I know that if we get into most teams pens we can beat them. But when starters dom- inate us we are in trouble. And if this happens with a team like the Pirates it is not a good sign. And at the moment it is guys like Nomar and Kent in the early innings who are going down on 2 or 3 pitches.
2007-06-04 17:05:57
54.   Eric Stephen
The Pirates' marketing campaign seems to be:

1) string together various clips of Pirates' players
2) play "Desire" by U2

I like it.

Much better than the Nomar van commercial. And miles ahead of the Nats' commercial with the Lincoln Memorial complaining that he wishes he could go see the Nats but "I'm confined to this seat", and ending with the catchphrase "Pledge your allegiance!"

2007-06-04 17:05:59
55.   capdodger
That's why we keep him around!!!
2007-06-04 17:06:04
56.   underdog
Argh! Abreu, buddy, what was that? I think 2nd base is starting to call his name again. Well, at least Lowe's still pitching an interesting game.
2007-06-04 17:06:07
57.   Humma Kavula
51 I think it's Schmidt.
2007-06-04 17:07:57
58.   underdog
That's the ol' pepper boy!
2007-06-04 17:08:16
59.   Jacob L
57 Right, well presumably Schmidt didn't fly out to Pittsburgh just to see the old neighborhood.
2007-06-04 17:08:21
60.   bhsportsguy
52 Nope, he wasn't.
2007-06-04 17:08:56
61.   Bluebleeder87
ugh Abreu!
2007-06-04 17:09:00
62.   natepurcell

thanks for looking into that.

my first question for DeJon...Did Elbert's arm fall off at the shoulder and is that why we havent heard anything about him in a month?

2007-06-04 17:09:22
63.   underdog
Abreu's confidence, on the other hand...
2007-06-04 17:09:26
64.   Gen3Blue
I had to step out. Wha happened a DP? Great.
Whoops, so Abreu's a nervous rookie--what do you expect!
2007-06-04 17:09:33
65.   Jacob L
You gotta be kidding me.
2007-06-04 17:09:57
66.   underdog
That was partially Nomar's fault, it looked like?
2007-06-04 17:10:18
67.   Eric Stephen
1 out of 3 for Abreu in the 5th isn't bad!
2007-06-04 17:10:18
68.   capdodger
Uh, oh. Someone call Hendrickson's shrink. I think we might have Saxy situation here.
2007-06-04 17:10:18
69.   gpellamjr
I hate Abreu to Nomar. I miss Edwards to Phillips. Those were the days.
2007-06-04 17:10:29
70.   underdog
There we go, that's the way to throw to first, nice and easy...
2007-06-04 17:10:34
71.   bhsportsguy
That was weird, three ground balls to third in a inning.
2007-06-04 17:11:15
72.   underdog
69 A pox on thee for typing that second sentence, even in jest!
2007-06-04 17:11:21
73.   Bluebleeder87
if i wear a teammate of Abreu i'd try to bust a dumb joke or something right about now (there headed to the dugout)
2007-06-04 17:11:31
74.   bhsportsguy
Lowe is pitching with a minimun of pitches and lots of ground balls so far.
2007-06-04 17:11:47
75.   capdodger
66 - Yeah, Nomar got his glove to it so he probably should have held on. Tough play for him though.
2007-06-04 17:12:16
76.   Jacob L
68 There's nothing sexy about the current situation.
2007-06-04 17:12:45
77.   Bluebleeder87
That was weird, three ground balls to third in a inning.

the ball seems the always find the Rooks.

2007-06-04 17:13:23
78.   Gen3Blue
Thank god I think I forgot who Edwards(69) was.
2007-06-04 17:13:27
79.   natepurcell
the rabbits are loose!
2007-06-04 17:13:46
80.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Speed kills. But with Pierre it usually kills us.
2007-06-04 17:14:04
81.   gpellamjr
Rabbits Lose Alert
2007-06-04 17:14:07
82.   Eric Stephen
Furcal needs to pick up the pace if he's going to meet my preseason prediction of 125 runs scored. He's at 24 now.

Pierre has two pretty good bunts today.

2007-06-04 17:14:51
83.   gpellamjr
81 Geeeez. Of course I meant, "loose", but Nate beat me to it, anyway. This is so not my day.
2007-06-04 17:15:07
84.   underdog
Yay! He didn't swing at the first pitch. {throw confetti}
2007-06-04 17:15:08
85.   natepurcell
i just noticed...kershaws numbers since that blowup on may 13...

23IP 8H 1ER 10bb 29k

still too many walks but pretty good.

2007-06-04 17:15:36
86.   natepurcell
and just like that, the rabbits are off the basepaths.
2007-06-04 17:15:52
87.   Eric Stephen
Theme for the game: want to get on base? hit is to 3rd.
2007-06-04 17:15:53
88.   D4P
"missed catch error"...? Good grief.

Meanwhile, Interesting Start for Lowe.

2007-06-04 17:16:00
89.   Gen3Blue
Ah the heart of the order with no outs and men on base.
2007-06-04 17:16:52
90.   Gen3Blue
That was good--not?
2007-06-04 17:16:55
91.   underdog
How many double plays will we get en total today I wonder?
2007-06-04 17:17:23
92.   trainwreck
Nomar rarely hits it out of the infield anymore.
2007-06-04 17:17:25
93.   Gen3Blue
Can this pitcher be a real dominator?
2007-06-04 17:17:31
94.   Humma Kavula
81 83 I think you had it right the first time.
2007-06-04 17:17:32
95.   Jacob L
Nomar continues to pile up RBIs without doing much else of note.
2007-06-04 17:17:45
96.   capdodger
81 - We need a color coded scheme for Rabbits Loose alerts.
2007-06-04 17:17:45
97.   Bluebleeder87
but you gotta love the way Etanislao recovered & made a nice easy lobe (sp) to Nomar on his 3rd try
2007-06-04 17:18:56
98.   gpellamjr
88 Have you seen this:

It's never hilarious, but I'm terribly sympathetic to it. My wife, who actually toils in a lab for very little money, feels it far more than I do.

And as for your second sentence, shut up. Just, just, shut up!

2007-06-04 17:20:07
99.   gpellamjr
96 I think we should just count how many times it happens. Probably fewer than the number of colors we would end up putting together.
2007-06-04 17:21:23
100.   Bluebleeder87
wow, what a freaking play by Furcal!!!
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2007-06-04 17:21:32
101.   natepurcell
holy crap the furry one!
2007-06-04 17:21:39
102.   Eric Stephen
Wow. That Furcal play was "interesting"
2007-06-04 17:21:58
103.   Who Is Karim Garcia
i hope lyons socked steiner.
2007-06-04 17:22:08
104.   underdog
THAT was sweet...

Sweet play by Raffy to rob him of a hit.

2007-06-04 17:22:27
105.   Lexinthedena
Dayum.....what aplay...Lowe looks like he is thinking about the No-No right now....
2007-06-04 17:22:35
106.   Jacob L
100, 101, 102 That play looked routine on Gameday.
2007-06-04 17:23:10
107.   Jacob L
105 doesn't exist.
2007-06-04 17:23:46
108.   Curtis Lowe
TYFN 13) Saying Dayum.
2007-06-04 17:24:04
109.   gpellamjr
2007-06-04 17:24:40
110.   Who Is Karim Garcia
perma ban, please.
2007-06-04 17:25:03
111.   trainwreck
2007-06-04 17:25:11
112.   scareduck
98 - funny.
2007-06-04 17:25:29
113.   Humma Kavula
105 I will gently point you to Thank You For Not... #9. Please scroll down the sidebar. Thank you.
2007-06-04 17:25:41
114.   neuroboy002
105 Burns: "You've made a powerful enemy, my friend."
2007-06-04 17:25:41
115.   Bluebleeder87

i was gonna say, i guess Jon isn't here right now. lexinthedena we don't do that here! but i guess your new & don't know the rules.

2007-06-04 17:25:53
116.   Disabled List
Lexinthedena and the Pirates announcers need to read and remember Rule 9.
2007-06-04 17:26:20
117.   D4P
Haven't seen it, but I will take a gander.
2007-06-04 17:26:20
118.   Marty
Wow 105 with the almost perfect storm comment
2007-06-04 17:27:08
119.   Humma Kavula
116 Hasn't Jon stated that announcers are exempt from Rule 9?

Commenters are not exempt.

2007-06-04 17:27:32
120.   Disabled List is killing me right now. The signal is coming in super-slow and choppy. ARRGGGGH.
2007-06-04 17:27:34
121.   gpellamjr
118 Please don't draw attention to it. It must be forgotten for all time.
2007-06-04 17:28:03
122.   Curtis Lowe
Remember when Tracy would leave Weaver in a little too long, this kinda reminds me of that.
2007-06-04 17:28:16
123.   natepurcell
josh bell goes yard.
2007-06-04 17:28:19
124.   Marty
Abreu has to be soberer than his Gameday photo makes him look.
2007-06-04 17:28:38
125.   Disabled List
119 Yeah, announcers are exempt. But it still seems like they read the "Thank You for Not..." sidebar and are making a conscious effort to flaunt it!
2007-06-04 17:28:55
126.   natepurcell
and then mattingly triples. his tools are starting to translate into production. thats like 5 triples already.
2007-06-04 17:28:56
127.   Who Is Karim Garcia
So I guess Hull won't even get a chance to debut, eh?

Be smart, Ned. Get rid of the Tombdrickson.

2007-06-04 17:28:59
128.   underdog
Lalalalalalala, I'm not listening lalalalalalala {covers ears}

C'mon Tony, let's atone for those errors now.

2007-06-04 17:29:00
129.   blutomania
Maholm has lost the plate.
2007-06-04 17:29:23
130.   Marty
Gameday just "disappeared" Abreu
2007-06-04 17:29:54
131.   Lexinthedena bad...Hopefully Lowe didn't read it in between innings....
2007-06-04 17:30:11
132.   Jon Weisman
119 - Yes, that is correct.

Furthermore, "no-no" has never been a no-no. Strangely, I don't think anyone here has ever used it, though.

2007-06-04 17:30:39
133.   Who Is Karim Garcia

What is this, Argentina?

2007-06-04 17:30:45
134.   neuroboy002
96 How about not a specific color, but maybe the phrase "aurora borealis." Both events seem to be very rare in SoCal, kind of like steamed hams.
2007-06-04 17:31:16
135.   bhsportsguy
I will be interesting to see if McDonald will move to Jacksonville to help them go for another playoff spot though a lot of these moves may wait until the second half starts as Inland Empire is going for a playoff spot too.
2007-06-04 17:31:52
136.   gpellamjr
132 I prefer no mention of exciting events on the field. We ought to talk idly of lost loves and general managers until the game is over.

I thought that second, evil, word was decided against?

2007-06-04 17:32:03
137.   Marty
Gameday still refuses to admit the existence of Abreu's at bat and Martin is on third now. Watching Gameday is an adventure.
2007-06-04 17:32:09
138.   bhsportsguy
126 Do you think triples indicate speed or power or both?
2007-06-04 17:32:16
139.   underdog
Nice dance step by Rich Donnelly there.
2007-06-04 17:33:01
140.   underdog
Abreu hit a line fly out that got Martin over to third.
2007-06-04 17:33:36
141.   Jacob L
Soooo, do we want to pinch hit for Lowe here?
2007-06-04 17:33:36
142.   Lexinthedena
So an inference is acceptable?.....I'm confused...
2007-06-04 17:33:38
143.   gpellamjr
How big is Mattingly?
2007-06-04 17:34:15
144.   natepurcell

listed at 6'3 205

2007-06-04 17:34:16
145.   Humma Kavula
141 That would be a highly uninteresting move.
2007-06-04 17:35:05
146.   Curtis Lowe
Please see 122
2007-06-04 17:35:06
147.   underdog
142 Only if an inference is...interesting.
2007-06-04 17:35:07
148.   gpellamjr
142 Jon cannot prevent inference, try as he might, because he has no control over our minds (not directly, anyway). However, the customary euphamism is to say that a game in progress is "interesting". But can we please shut up about this now?
2007-06-04 17:35:18
149.   natepurcell


2007-06-04 17:35:45
150.   neuroboy002
How was that ball hit by Clark? Was it a difficult play for the SS to make?
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2007-06-04 17:36:03
151.   scareduck
138 - Do you think triples indicate speed or power or both?

Chone Figgins led the Angels in triples a couple years ago, and his were clearly speed. Casey Kotchman currently leads the Angels in triples, and his are clearly power. I would answer "both".

2007-06-04 17:37:04
152.   underdog
Derek just wanted to go back to the bench as quickly as he could.
2007-06-04 17:37:47
153.   D4P
3 of 4 from the Pirates ain't too shabby. Dodgers just refuse to give up first place.
2007-06-04 17:37:54
154.   underdog
150 It was a little tricky, one of those "little nubbers" as Vin likes to say that wasn't easy to gauge the hop correctly - but all that said, he should have had it.
2007-06-04 17:38:12
155.   natepurcell

I would think you would need to look at the body type of the player. if its a player that has room to fill in and bat speed, its more likely an indication that he is developing power.

2007-06-04 17:39:03
156.   gpellamjr
153 Your fanboy act has become unpalatable.
2007-06-04 17:39:10
157.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I can't imagine Colborn, Shelby and Donnelly really think Tracy is better qualified to be manager than any of them.
2007-06-04 17:39:10
158.   Lexinthedena
I actually want Juan to make an out....
2007-06-04 17:39:16
159.   D4P
In other words, it was the kinda play that has been going the Dodgers' way all season long.
2007-06-04 17:40:02
160.   Curtis Lowe
ahhhh Tracy good ol' predictable Tracy.
2007-06-04 17:40:05
161.   Humma Kavula
122 Did the Dodgers get the big hit when they needed it? Yes. Was Muh-HOLL-um pitching pretty well until the 7th? Of course. Is this in any way my fault? I don't see how.
2007-06-04 17:40:12
162.   underdog
A nice diving effort by Duffy but he couldn't get it. And now Jim Tracy makes his customary delayed entrance to remove the pitcher.
2007-06-04 17:40:16
163.   gpellamjr
158 You must be a happy man.
2007-06-04 17:40:27
164.   Branch Rickey
However good the Dodgers are or aren't, they are better than the Pirates. Of this I feel sure.
2007-06-04 17:40:46
165.   bhsportsguy
151 Preston is a lot faster than his dad.
2007-06-04 17:40:47
166.   D4P
The downside of putting people in a position to succeed is that they might also fail.
2007-06-04 17:40:54
167.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Triples are obvious indication of "the good face"
2007-06-04 17:41:08
168.   Bluebleeder87
Nice double by Furcal to give us some insurance runs, the Pirates CF (Duffy i think) looks like he can go get 'em even though he didn't get that Furcal double.
2007-06-04 17:41:19
169.   underdog
161 Heh.

157 Um, maybe not Donnelly so much...

2007-06-04 17:41:37
170.   bhsportsguy
162 He wanted to leave him in to face Pierre in the next inning.

{Pause for chuckling]

Sorry Jim.

2007-06-04 17:43:45
171.   D4P
It's looking unlikely that Pierre will set the all-time outs record. However, I think there should be some kind of additional record, adjusted for position in the batting order. You can't reasonably expect Pierre to set the record when he's getting so many ABs in the #2 spot.
2007-06-04 17:45:44
172.   Humma Kavula
171 I disagree. I think the ONLY way he could set the outs record would be from the #1 or #2 spot. Any lower in the order and he simply would not have the opportunities. As #2, he can go 1-for-5, make four outs a game, and not lose his job. At, say, #8, he'll lose that fifth AB, meaning he'll either go 1-for-4 and not set the record or 0-for-4 and get benched.
2007-06-04 17:45:55
173.   scareduck
Multiple rule 9 violations by Rick Monday.
2007-06-04 17:46:33
174.   JoeyP
Wonder if Lowe is upset at Abreu?
2007-06-04 17:46:55
176.   Humma Kavula
This game is no longer interesting.
2007-06-04 17:47:02
177.   dzzrtRatt
Because I'd heard the Pirates had developed a stable of good pitchers, I was going to try to refute the idea that not getting hits off Pirate pitching is no shame. But in fact, it isn't. They're near the bottom in the NL for ERA, strikeouts, on-base-average against, slugging average against, WHIP and runs allowed.
2007-06-04 17:47:28
179.   JoeyP
This game is no longer interesting.
2007-06-04 17:47:42
180.   scareduck
173 - and now it no longer matters.
2007-06-04 17:47:44
181.   Bluebleeder87
it was nice while it lasted but at least it takes the golden sombrero away from Etasnilao Ebreu.
2007-06-04 17:47:58
182.   dzzrtRatt
The TV broadcast cut away for a mesothelioma ad and we didn't see the hit.
2007-06-04 17:48:11
183.   Curtis Lowe
No Hitters are for young stat padders not accomplished veterans.
2007-06-04 17:48:25
184.   bhsportsguy
I think it is pretty hard for a radio guy not to update the audience on what is going on in the game.
2007-06-04 17:48:32
185.   D4P
I mean that he would be more likely to set the record if he was a permanent leadoff hitter, rather than a sometimes leadoff hitter/sometimes #2 hitter.
2007-06-04 17:48:34
186.   underdog
Derek is making regretful monkey faces on the mound after that last one. He's sorta both frustrated and bemused.
2007-06-04 17:48:48
187.   gpellamjr
There are so many people I'd like to blame for this.

180 Yes, now it matters all the more.

2007-06-04 17:48:51
188.   Lexinthedena
The long inning plus the stretch....
2007-06-04 17:49:00
189.   underdog
Fantastic play by Abreu just saved a run and got an out to boot. WOW.
2007-06-04 17:49:35
190.   underdog
Oh, no, it didn't save a run - didn't see that the runner at third came in. Oh well, still a great play.
2007-06-04 17:49:42
191.   Jon Weisman
175, 178 - deleted because of Rule 1.

173 - Broadcasters are exempt.

2007-06-04 17:49:55
192.   Indiana Jon
Can;t see the game tonight. What happened to break it up?
2007-06-04 17:49:55
193.   Disabled List
And NOW my video feed is streaming in just fine!
2007-06-04 17:49:58
194.   scareduck
184 - even Monday acknowledged the danger inherent in his mentioning it to the audience.
2007-06-04 17:50:06
195.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Eric Hull gets to make an appearance before he gets sent out tomorrow? Maybe?
2007-06-04 17:50:24
196.   capdodger
Did Kent not see the runner breaking for home there?

And another error....

2007-06-04 17:50:32
197.   scareduck
192 - Freddy Sanchez grounder up the middle.
2007-06-04 17:50:35
198.   ROC
The ump was blocking Kent's shot at home there, yes?
2007-06-04 17:50:56
199.   underdog
A few too many oopsies out there today didn't help. You have to have your best D on the infield when Lowe's pitching. Keeps you on your toes.
2007-06-04 17:51:04
200.   Eric Stephen
Bad throw from Furcal, but some if not most of that blame has to go to Kent for the subpar toss to 2nd, making Rafael hurry.
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2007-06-04 17:51:06
201.   dzzrtRatt
Derek, don't cry.
2007-06-04 17:51:08
202.   JoeyP
Ok now the game is more interesting.
2007-06-04 17:51:16
203.   bhsportsguy
Rally stopper.
2007-06-04 17:51:26
204.   Indiana Jon
197 Thanks, just saw it on ESPN.
2007-06-04 17:51:41
205.   D4P
No-hitter gone, shutout gone: Quick, get Lowe outta there before he loses the Quality Start...!
2007-06-04 17:51:51
206.   underdog
Argh. I almost violated rule #1 myself but kept it to myself here in my office.
2007-06-04 17:51:55
207.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Nady- "out of play, run(s)"

*sorry for the violation, Jon.

2007-06-04 17:52:15
208.   gpellamjr
Thank goodness that rally is over!
2007-06-04 17:52:29
209.   Humma Kavula
Good try, Derek.

Assuming Saito is resting, who's the setup man?

2007-06-04 17:53:11
210.   capdodger
209 - Looks like Rudy.
2007-06-04 17:53:33
211.   Gen3Blue
It's pretty obvious with Lowe, the minute he gives up a run or shows tiring, get him out of there. I've seen him lose several brilliant games.
2007-06-04 17:54:18
212.   capdodger
198 That could be what it was.
2007-06-04 17:54:19
213.   underdog
Derek can fall apart in a hurry, can't he? Well, a good effort, a valiant effort, up 'til then. The porous defense today didn't help. Say, shouldn't one of those runs be unearned?
2007-06-04 17:54:34
214.   JoeyP
What is the actual reason for not being able to talk about a no hitter though?

Wouldnt someone, if they just went to this blog and didnt know much about the game at hand, want to know if there was a no-hitter in progress?

As a sabermetrician, I cant possibly believe that talking about a no-hitter on a blog has any effect on the actualy no-hitter at hand.

2007-06-04 17:54:58
215.   Bluebleeder87
forget about the no hitter i just hope we get the W. 5-3 Dodgers.
2007-06-04 17:54:59
216.   Curtis Lowe
I remember in 05 against the Cubs Lowe threw a 1 hittier that would have been a no hitter had Mike Edwards fielded the very first ball in play properly.
2007-06-04 17:55:33
217.   Jon Weisman
214 - I've explained this at length multiple times in the past.
2007-06-04 17:55:44
218.   Benaiah
I feel terrible for Lowe. This looks like a mediocre start now in the box score, but he was filthy tonight.
2007-06-04 17:55:58
219.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Latin Gagne and then Georgian Gagne in place of Japanese Gagne.
2007-06-04 17:56:26
220.   Curtis Lowe
214 - I'm sure the first thing someone asks during any random game on any random blog is whether a no hitter is going on or not.

A no hitter is romantic and talking about it while it's happening ruins that.

Kinda like some other things.

2007-06-04 17:57:41
221.   capdodger
213 I don't think so. You can't assume the double play, so the nex batter would have come up. The error moved the runner from first to second, but the next batter hit a homer so the runner scores if he's on first or second.
2007-06-04 17:57:43
222.   Humma Kavula
2007-06-04 17:57:47
223.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Russell Martin has just lost it!
2007-06-04 17:57:56
224.   natepurcell
im going to build a shrine and have daily sacrifices for our golden god.
2007-06-04 17:58:03
225.   Bluebleeder87
i'm gonna have to vote for Russell Martin/Turtle??? a few more times on line.
2007-06-04 17:58:08
226.   dzzrtRatt
"Russell Martin has just lost it." New Charlie Steiner home run call.


2007-06-04 17:58:27
227.   Eric Stephen
So far, this has to be "Russell's Road Trip".

Another bomb.

2007-06-04 17:58:50
228.   diogenes
I have a theory that most no-no or perfect games are low scoring affairs. Seems long breaks are not good for pitchers. Anyone know if that is borne out by the stats?
2007-06-04 17:58:55
229.   trainwreck
There is a DHL commercial where they keep talk about Lofton being traded back to the Dodgers.

I wish it were true.

2007-06-04 17:59:14
230.   capdodger
I'm gonna get a bumper sticker: What Would Martin Do?
2007-06-04 17:59:19
231.   underdog
Watching that will make us stop feeling bad about the loss of the no-no.
2007-06-04 17:59:25
232.   Who Is Karim Garcia

what do you require?

2007-06-04 17:59:31
233.   Branch Rickey
No regression of Russell's power numbers for now.
2007-06-04 18:00:36
234.   trainwreck
lol I don't think being a sabermetrician has anything to do with that logic.
2007-06-04 18:00:43
235.   underdog
224 Can Joe Morgan be one of the first?
2007-06-04 18:01:41
236.   bhsportsguy
Keith Law did a summary of the 2002 draft on Insider on I am going to summarize it later but as he closed his review, (and I am going to paraphrase it), one of best players in draft taken out ...junior college, Russell Martin.

I think that you get a Russell Martin out any draft, that draft is a success. Broxton, not a bad pick himself, makes it a great draft. Just waiting for Loney, Miller, Hammes, Young to contribute to make it all-time great draft.

2007-06-04 18:01:58
237.   gpellamjr
Martin is OPSing .894 for the season. Wow. That guy is good.
2007-06-04 18:02:20
238.   natepurcell

if he agrees to it, sure he can.

even if he doesnt agree to it, im sure andrew has some kind of torture method that would work.

2007-06-04 18:02:21
239.   underdog
Lowe's still out there eh? Hm. I wonder if he said he wanted to stay in or if Little's trying to save the pen a little after that Martin home run (and Saito's hurting)...
2007-06-04 18:02:43
240.   underdog
Plus only 84 pitches, yeah.
2007-06-04 18:03:00
241.   bhsportsguy
Lowe, Penny and Wolf have given up more home runs in this series than they gave up in all of May.
2007-06-04 18:03:07
242.   Who Is Karim Garcia

I have this one.

2007-06-04 18:03:24
243.   underdog
238 I thought Joe Morgan was a torture method?
2007-06-04 18:03:59
244.   Humma Kavula
Russell Martin since May 30:

20 AB
8 H
1 BB
1 2B
4 HR


2007-06-04 18:04:12
245.   Branch Rickey
239. Yes.
2007-06-04 18:05:11
246.   Gen3Blue
I can't believe he put Lowe back in!!
2007-06-04 18:05:20
247.   bhsportsguy
There goes the quality start.
2007-06-04 18:05:24
248.   underdog
Jeez. It seemed like a good decision after the first two batters...

Man, a CG would've been a real gift too.

2007-06-04 18:05:37
249.   JoeyP
The Quality Start has gone by the wayside.
2007-06-04 18:05:42
250.   Marty
Why did we trot Lowe out for the eighth?
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2007-06-04 18:05:44
251.   LeeLacy
I realize the Second Commandment states: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

But, come on, I think an exception is called for in this instance.

(And if you'll excuse me, I've got a lightning rod I need to install on my roof.)

2007-06-04 18:06:20
252.   Marty
Please delete 250 I was too late to have it stay there :)
2007-06-04 18:06:45
253.   Branch Rickey
248. And so it was. He looked fine and bullpen needs a rest and we have less of a bridge to the closer tonight.
2007-06-04 18:08:02
254.   Gen3Blue
I was cooking and I didn't realize Lowe stayed in until I heard the crack off the bat. Then I was in disbelief until I watched a minute.
2007-06-04 18:08:21
255.   bhsportsguy
Baseball Prospectus had a stat for managers which was something like quality starts blown, I don't think Grady has too many of these because last year he was pulling guys out pretty quickly. And just off the top of my head, I can't think of too many times this has happened this year.
2007-06-04 18:08:27
256.   Marty
Encino Man to the rescue.
2007-06-04 18:08:27
257.   Eric Stephen
All hail the Comebacker King!
2007-06-04 18:09:29
258.   Indiana Jon
Matt Kemp is now 24 for his last 48 with 2 walks. Doesn't take a sabermetrician to know that's pretty good.
2007-06-04 18:10:09
259.   bhsportsguy
254 I think it was okay, look its going to work sometimes, he is shortstacked (to use a poker term) and with the low scoring games and having the three guys pitching in this series that don't throw a lot of innings, why not try to save some guys, especially if you are not going DL Saito.
2007-06-04 18:10:38
260.   bhsportsguy
254 I think it was okay, look its going to work sometimes, he is shortstacked (to use a poker term) and with the low scoring games and having the three guys pitching in the San Diego series that don't throw a lot of innings (Schmidt, Kuo and Wolf), why not try to save some guys, especially if you are not going DL Saito.
2007-06-04 18:10:47
261.   Gen3Blue
Whatever happens tonight, just remember Grady saved the pen for 2/3 of an inning.
2007-06-04 18:11:04
262.   bhsportsguy
Oops, sorry about that.
2007-06-04 18:11:05
263.   JoeyP
234--It does, if the reason that you cant talk about a no-hitter is because it 'jinx'es it'. There's no such thing as a jinx. Some old school baseball thought may believe that though. Sabermetric thought wont. Comments written on a blog have no effect on the game at hand.

However, if the reason is #220, then I understand that. Although, its gotten to such a point that almost trying 'not' to talk about a no-hitter---using adjectives like 'interesting'---seemly defeats the purpose. Since that (the no hitter) essentially is what is being talked about.

2007-06-04 18:12:06
264.   trainwreck
To me it is common sense, not math related.
2007-06-04 18:12:31
265.   k0b3
abreu has been hitting great, but the lack of patience worries me...when he stops hitting and goes into a slump, he will become very obsolete... i don't think he has one walk this year
but again knowing the dodger organization, batting avg seems to be everything
2007-06-04 18:12:33
266.   Branch Rickey
260. Plus it's not like it was a 1 run lead, it was a 3 run lead. And he had low pitch count. Made all the sense in the world to see if you could get one more out of him.
2007-06-04 18:12:43
267.   Gen3Blue
260 guy-yeah ,I can sorta see your point.
I have more trouble understanding Lowe than any D's pitcher for a while.
2007-06-04 18:12:52
268.   Marty
But, we don't talk about it because that's what Jon wants. No other reasons, logical or not, are needed.
2007-06-04 18:12:53
269.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
Steve Lyons just said, Derek didnt get tired . . just lost location of his pitches.
2007-06-04 18:12:58
270.   dsfan
Time for Betemit to go boom.
2007-06-04 18:13:45
271.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Tracy, just stop it. What is he doing? Trying to be JUST like LaRussa?
2007-06-04 18:13:48
272.   Bluebleeder87
i didn't realize Armas was no longer a starter.
2007-06-04 18:14:41
273.   underdog
266 I agree.

So does Broxton come in for the 9th? I say bring in Hull! Well, okay, maybe not, but the sentimental side of me would kinda like that.

2007-06-04 18:15:19
274.   Branch Rickey
263. There is only one good reason not to talk about it here and that's because Jon has asked us not to do so repeatedly. I am totally with you but this is Jon's thing and he hasn't asked for much.
2007-06-04 18:15:33
275.   bhsportsguy
267 One thing though, Lowe does give them innings and to get into the 8th (we'll never know how that extra out when Tony threw the second one away played into whatever fatigue he had, though I think the long top of the 7th was probably more responsible, Lowe's is probably more upset about walking Duffy than the home runs.
2007-06-04 18:15:52
276.   Gagne55
273 Broxton FTS.
2007-06-04 18:16:36
277.   bhsportsguy
272 Shawn Chacon replaced him.

Think about that for a while (though last week, he pitched well against the Padres)

2007-06-04 18:16:56
278.   Jon Weisman
263 - Joey P, to make a long story short, the ban is not a grand attempt at being rational. Stop overthinking it.
2007-06-04 18:18:47
279.   underdog
The jinx is not rational but it is still a huge part of the psychology of being a sports fan. Ever since childhood for many of us...
No one wants to be the one "responsible" for jinxing a no-hitter. It may not be rational but it's ingrained as part of they mythology of baseball.

No more logical than turning hats inside out to change your team's luck during a game (i.e., the "rally cap") and yet now it's a fixture at games.

2007-06-04 18:19:34
280.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Armas no longer a starter... with an opp. avg. like that he won't be a pitcher much longer
2007-06-04 18:19:36
281.   underdog
More importantly, let's go Blue Ox!
2007-06-04 18:22:37
282.   underdog
Man, I'm missing Saito already...
2007-06-04 18:23:43
283.   bhsportsguy
Broxton tends to overthrow to the first couple of batters before he finds a groove.
2007-06-04 18:24:12
284.   bhsportsguy
Any sliders yet for Broxton?
2007-06-04 18:24:41
285.   Frip
Steiner: "Oh they're just gonna be talking about what we've been talking about for the last 3 1/2 hours".


I like Charlie.

I want Charlie to be my neighbor.

2007-06-04 18:25:15
286.   Bluebleeder87
we got the lead runner in Sanchez let's hope Broxton gets a DP with La Roche batting & Jason Bay at 1st base.
2007-06-04 18:25:16
287.   underdog
Ahhhhhhh... that was so close to a double play. Man.

Yeah, I think I saw one slider so far. Maybe someone can correct me.

2007-06-04 18:25:43
288.   bhsportsguy
Hey where's Greg Brock?
2007-06-04 18:26:21
289.   Eric Stephen
How does Pierre not catch that?
2007-06-04 18:26:41
290.   JoeyP
Juan Pierre.....
2007-06-04 18:26:50
291.   Bluebleeder87
my biased towards Pierre makes me think he could have gotten to that ball. 6-5 Dodgers. sigh.
2007-06-04 18:27:16
292.   Branch Rickey
Pierre could have caught that. If he weren't Pierre.
2007-06-04 18:27:22
293.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Lyons: I think that ball fooled Pierre

they ALL do, Steve-o, they ALL do.

2007-06-04 18:27:23
294.   underdog
This game is almost too much to bear. I don't have any fingernails left to bite.

Come on, Ox! Stop this nonsense.

2007-06-04 18:27:38
295.   k0b3
gotta love pierre... he's a gamer
2007-06-04 18:27:46
296.   Uncle Miltie
I thought for sure that would be caught…

Then I realized who was playing center field.

2007-06-04 18:27:50
297.   D4P
Don't worry. Tracy will mess this up.
2007-06-04 18:28:14
298.   underdog
In fairness, it was hit extremely deep and far. On the other hand, Pierre looked like he stopped to ask for directions, got the wrong map from Mapquest, and then turned back again.
2007-06-04 18:28:31
299.   k0b3
it looks like broxton is trying to blow people away just because it's the 9th inning..he needs to stop overthrowing and let his movement get people out
2007-06-04 18:28:47
300.   JoeyP
Broxton has some Elvis-like sideburns.
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2007-06-04 18:29:07
301.   Marty
It's nice that Gameday seems to protest the last Pirates run.
2007-06-04 18:29:19
302.   Sam in SC
the pirates broadcasters are all but sacrificing babies to the baseball gawds right now . . .
2007-06-04 18:29:28
303.   Indiana Jon
The real Greg Brock turns 50 next week. Man, am I getting that old?
2007-06-04 18:30:05
304.   Uncle Miltie
That was a strike....
2007-06-04 18:30:17
305.   underdog
Sure looked like a strike to me.
2007-06-04 18:30:26
306.   Gen3Blue
I have to take a walk, I hope you guys understand. Some of our teams always won 7-2 or lost 8-3 but nothing comes easy lately.
2007-06-04 18:30:33
307.   Bluebleeder87
i'm just really & truly not a fan of Pierre
2007-06-04 18:30:37
308.   Branch Rickey
100 MPH on the black and nothing for it.
2007-06-04 18:30:52
309.   Uncle Miltie
Another strike....
2007-06-04 18:30:54
310.   Sam in SC
the double play is back in order. (best I can do)
2007-06-04 18:31:02
311.   scareduck
191 - yet broadcasters are not exempt from Rule 1 violations. Discuss. :-)
2007-06-04 18:31:14
312.   underdog
Oh come on.
2007-06-04 18:31:20
313.   k0b3
he's definitely overthrowing....get squeezed doesn't hurt
2007-06-04 18:31:36
314.   ninjavshippo
really? not a strike?
2007-06-04 18:31:40
315.   Bluebleeder87
Broxton doesn't get the corners cause he throws serious heat!
2007-06-04 18:31:43
316.   JoeyP
Doumit's like 4-31 slump.
Broxton should be able to get him.
2007-06-04 18:31:52
317.   Branch Rickey
Wow. Those were two pitches that will both usually get called. When Broxton proves himself a little more in the league, he'll get both those calls.
2007-06-04 18:32:38
318.   Sam in SC
how is THAT a strike, if several of the last pitches weren't?
2007-06-04 18:33:13
319.   capdodger
Step right up! Step right up!
Come see the incredible shrinking strikezone!
Smaller than a postage stamp and more fluttering than a hummingbird.

Step right up step! Step right up!!

2007-06-04 18:33:23
320.   Branch Rickey
Dodgers are praying for no extra innings. They've got a red eye to catch already!
2007-06-04 18:33:25
321.   bigcpa
Preparing myself for "he just needs to get adjusted to the role."
2007-06-04 18:33:43
322.   underdog
Okay, there's one more. Too bad it was hit a little too slowly for the DP. Come on, Ox! You can do it.
2007-06-04 18:33:43
323.   regfairfield
Thank you Jack Wilson.
2007-06-04 18:33:45
324.   Sam in SC

unnecessary drama.

2007-06-04 18:33:50
325.   Uncle Miltie
Thank God for Jack Wilson
2007-06-04 18:33:58
326.   Bluebleeder87
pheeewwww!! that was close.
2007-06-04 18:34:18
327.   Who Is Karim Garcia
i am sitting on the edge of my mouse and keyboard.
2007-06-04 18:34:18
328.   capdodger
That was a Shaw like save...
2007-06-04 18:34:26
329.   Curtis Lowe
Happy Birthdya to me
2007-06-04 18:34:34
330.   underdog
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Everyone, {exhale} now. I'm gonna do a few yoga poses, downward facing underdog, whatever it takes.
2007-06-04 18:34:46
331.   bhsportsguy
I was just writing that no matter what, Chad will probably be the closer tommorrow due to the amount of pitches that Broxton threw yesterday and today.
2007-06-04 18:35:38
332.   bhsportsguy
328 No strikeouts for Broxton, that is very unusual. But hey we are in first place all by ourselves, ought to be a nice plane ride to San Diego.
2007-06-04 18:36:10
333.   Sam in SC
the pirates broadcasters ended the game in agony, after praying for a ball in the dirt.

I have never heard anything quite as tormented as they were tonight.

2007-06-04 18:36:20
334.   Branch Rickey
I'm heading to San Diego tomorrow to see Schmidt pitch in person. Hopefully we can make this an 8 out of 10 trip.
2007-06-04 18:36:27
335.   Uncle Miltie
We are blessed to have a quality human being like Juan Pierre playing center field for us.
2007-06-04 18:36:31
336.   JoeyP
3 1-run victories this series.

Dodgers are 14-4 in 1-run decisions this year.

2007-06-04 18:36:34
337.   scareduck
330 - speed of lightning
roar of thunder
fighting teams with LOBs and blunders
2007-06-04 18:36:42
338.   k0b3
which has a higher chance of happening : Dodgers win the San Diego series or San Diego Sweeps the Series?
2007-06-04 18:36:52
339.   oswald
i'm happy about the win, and i hate to be debbie-downer here, but teams that win a whole bunch of one run games usually eventually start losing a whoile bunch of one run games.
2007-06-04 18:38:10
340.   Sam in SC
328 - jeff shaw had some people wanting to create a new category of "save"; if you let the tying run get on base (or in scoring position, or some such), then it wasn't a "save" it was a "salvage".
2007-06-04 18:39:01
341.   Disabled List
Is Broxton's nickname Ox, or Bull? Ox would be the most obvious choice, I guess, but Bull Broxton has a nice alliteration to it.
2007-06-04 18:40:02
342.   JoeyP
338--The Padres have an advantage of throwing their 1-3 vs Dodgers 3-5.
2007-06-04 18:42:35
343.   Bluebleeder87

your a party pooper or as they say in my neck of the woods, snapper.

2007-06-04 18:43:18
344.   Sam in SC
I am a little surprised that the dodgers leave a four game series in the east, getaway day is a night game, and fly to the west coast for another three game road series.

tough freaking schedule.

2007-06-04 18:43:51
345.   k0b3
342 - you think the chance of getting swept is higher?

Anyone think that dodgers can steal Jason Bay from the Pirates..wonder what it would take...Players I hope dodgers trade for: Cabrera, Teixiera, Bay, Holliday, Rios

2007-06-04 18:44:13
346.   underdog
337 Heh! Speaking of which, I need to take a super energy pill soon, I'm flagging.

339 Oh, I don't know. If you have a good bullpen you can keep up a good record in 1 run games, but of course, if anyone in the bullpen gets hurt or things go awry in the pen, then that can change of course.

2007-06-04 18:45:16
347.   underdog
344 Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. It's up to the home team to decide time, but I think it was Jim Tracy's call in particular to screw over the Dodgers. Does seem kinda cruel. Giants got to play theirs at 1pm (10 am PST) today.
2007-06-04 18:45:41
348.   Bluebleeder87
i just saw this on prime/fox that Russell Martin is leading NL catchers in home runs (7) is this true?
2007-06-04 18:46:48
349.   Sam in SC
357- sorry. shoulda known that it had come up ;)
2007-06-04 18:49:49
350.   Bluebleeder87
is it better to take the metrolink to S.D. or drive your car over there?
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2007-06-04 18:51:22
351.   scareduck
340 - Jayson Stark noted that Gagne did not allow an inherited baserunner to score during his save streak. A refresher:

2007-06-04 18:55:31
352.   Gen3Blue
ahhh Stats. Just by reversion to the mean,or what ever you choose to call it, we are going to lose some of these tight ones. On the other hand, by the same token some of our vets are going to do something useful at some point. It should be a wash.
2007-06-04 19:00:05
353.   Sam in SC
2003 was also another season with an incredible record in 1-run games. I assume it is somehow associated with a less than prolific offense and a great bullpen, but I am sure that is statistically unprovable.
2007-06-04 19:19:49
354.   JoeyP
Dodgers were 27-23 in 1-run games in 2003.
2007-06-04 19:32:06
355.   regfairfield
I decided to clean up behind my bed and found the letters section of the Times from January of 2005.

Many people were very upset that DePo signed Brad Penny for 5.1 million instead of Jose Lima for 2.5 million.

Ah, memories.

2007-06-04 19:32:55
356.   Greg Brock
I treated my parents to a really nice home cooked meal, and almost missed a no-hitter. Almost.
2007-06-04 19:34:00
357.   natepurcell
wow, tony abreu is a scott boras client according to diamond.
2007-06-04 19:35:58
358.   Andrew Shimmin
Russ Martin is a call-in guest on Baseball Tonight, right now.
2007-06-04 19:37:26
359.   JoeyP
Dodgers were 27-23 in 1-run games in 2003
Finished 85-77.

Dodgers were 32-16 in 1-run games in 2004.
Finished 93-69.

Dodgers were 19-24 in 2005.
Finished 71-91.

Dodgers were 19-19 in 2006
Finished 88-74.

2007-06-04 19:42:56
360.   StolenMonkey86
I love that Martin hit his homer off Sharpless.

Major League Baseball is special like that, where a guy will keep a name like Sharpless, but legally change his name to Boof.

2007-06-04 19:47:51
361.   still bevens
I blame ESPN for breaking up Lowe's no-no. Every minute on the crawler after the 6th inning they had to mention it during the Yankees game and they took a couple moments during the game to talk about how it was in progress.
2007-06-04 19:51:06
362.   dsfan
Joey, technically the Padres have their Nos. 2, 4 and 1 starters going against the Dodgers. Maddux is fourth in their rotation. The No. 3 guy was Hensley. He has been replaced by Germano, who is something like 4-0 with a 1.27 ERA.
2007-06-04 20:26:12
363.   Suffering Bruin
Dear Jon and colleagues,

It's a simple rule yet I continue to break it. To wit:


(Dad gets home from work, disoriented and relieved--he is a teacher, after all. Son is on the computer. Dad sees opportunity to turn on television and watch the Dodgers. As he is watching, Dad becomes intense, then excited and he can't help but say...)

DAD: Hey son! The Dodgers have a pitcher and he's throwing a no-hitter!

Folks, I don't have to tell you the roof caved in on Lowe right after that. You may say I was just looking to share a wonderful moment with my son. So be it; you are all kind people. But I say this is carelessness, a malfeasance that should not be ignored.

I hereby ban myself from DT for twenty minutes.

Yours in the spirit of rules that should not be broken,


2007-06-04 20:27:43
364.   jasonungar07
Regaring all those 1 run wins.

When Nomar gets an extra base hit dodgers are 9-1.

(sample size =11)

Seriously, will they ever do something about this. 11 extra base hits all year. Martin has 6 since Thursday. Of last week..

Where we hit players in the lineup has to matter a little.

2007-06-04 20:32:40
365.   Bluebleeder87

we have full control over him for a while right Nate? i'm not sure how that stuff works.

2007-06-04 20:44:40
366.   dzzrtRatt
364 I continue to believe that unless Nomar turns it around...I'd say within 30 days...Loney will get called up.

"Turning it around" will be defined very liberally, out of respect to Nomar and the fans. But if he stays at this level, I don't think Ned will sacrifice the season for him.

2007-06-04 20:53:21
367.   Eric Enders
Red Alert in Oakland for Mark Ellis.
2007-06-04 21:03:03
368.   underdog
Nate and all you other draft-niks, I'm sorry to say but I believe you have wasted your time in researching who the Dodgers should draft this week. You can have your Beavens and McGearys and Smokers, I have a LHP the Dodgers should draft. Name of Monica Abbott.
2007-06-04 21:05:07
369.   Bob Timmermann
I'm glad I built redundancies into the Cycle Alert.
2007-06-04 21:07:46
370.   trainwreck
How cool would it be to have a draft with guys named Josh Smoker and Hunter Ovens.
2007-06-04 21:12:51
371.   underdog
Sounds like there's a chance Saito could be out for the Padres' series, but likely not any more than that. I hope he can even pitch in the SD series but only if he feels 100%.

370 Yeah, though as one of them there treehugger types I keep getting the latter name mixed up with this one:

2007-06-04 21:14:18
372.   underdog
Btw, re: 368 Monica Abbott is 50-3 with 33 and 2/3 straight shut out innings. Unhittable.
2007-06-04 21:24:02
373.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there any way a softball delivery could be tweaked to make it MLB legal?
2007-06-04 21:26:43
374.   underdog
Damn, I'd neglected to think about that. That and the presence of, you know, boobs, makes my idea probably illegal, but still, by gum I'm sticking with it!
2007-06-04 21:28:49
375.   trainwreck
Tell that to Bengie Molina.
2007-06-04 21:29:17
376.   Andrew Shimmin
Justin Upton's alleged affection for clowns update: it's been re-disappeared from his wikipedia article. This time by someone who isn't me.
2007-06-04 21:31:46
377.   natepurcell
How cool would it be to have a draft with guys named Josh Smoker and Hunter Ovens.

and madison bumgarner and Sequoyah Stonecipher.

2007-06-04 21:31:50
378.   Andrew Shimmin
Will Carroll took a question about when he expected the first woman to appear in MLB. He didn't really answer, but speculated that the first would be what he called a "trick pitcher."
2007-06-04 21:31:51
379.   Hallux Valgus
373 Dan Quisenberry?

I remember when Coors sponsored an all women's baseball team (go Silver Bullets!). I believe Lisa Fernandez used a softball delivery.

2007-06-04 21:32:23
380.   natepurcell

you are really obsessed about this clown thing arent you.

2007-06-04 21:32:47
381.   Andrew Shimmin
In his last chat, he took such a question. Forgot to finish the first sentence.
2007-06-04 21:33:30
382.   Hallux Valgus
373 Dan Quisenberry?

I remember when Coors sponsored a barnstorming all women's baseball team (Go Silver Bullets!). I believe Lisa Fernandez used a softball delivery.

2007-06-04 21:33:31
383.   natepurcell

yea i the clubhouse.

2007-06-04 21:33:36
384.   trainwreck
Ellis gets fielder's choice E5.
2007-06-04 21:33:49
385.   Hallux Valgus
um, yeah. Ignore that second one
2007-06-04 21:36:23
386.   Andrew Shimmin
380- I leave for Phoenix in the morning to search out the second person to add the clown thing. I'm driving, since I don't think I could get my interrogation tools bag past the screeners.
2007-06-04 21:36:30
387.   trainwreck
Sequoyah Stonecipher?

Is he a long lost child of Frank Zappa?

2007-06-04 21:40:26
388.   Eric Enders
384 That was arguably a single. Tough play to make the stop, and then an off-line throw which, if accurate, might or might not have beaten the runner at second.
2007-06-04 21:42:42
389.   trainwreck
Yeah and he definitely was not going to get Ellis.
2007-06-04 21:45:35
390.   Bluebleeder87

i kind of remember they did a mini-bio on the silver bullets, i was rooting for them when they were around.

2007-06-04 21:46:23
391.   trainwreck
Ellis may get another chance.
2007-06-04 21:46:51
392.   Eric Enders
This is one of those rare games where the official scorer is going to be the most-sought interview after the game.
2007-06-04 21:48:52
393.   Bluebleeder87

i'll be surprised if he pitches in S.D.

2007-06-04 21:49:26
394.   Eric Enders
Ellis cannot bat in the bottom of the 9th. A maximum of 6 players could bat and he's due up 7th. So the game will have to go extra innings for him to get it.
2007-06-04 21:55:06
395.   underdog
378 What about the first woman blurnsball player?

2007-06-04 22:03:02
396.   Bob Timmermann
Red Alert for the cycle for Mark Ellis reissued!
2007-06-04 22:04:17
397.   underdog
Matt Kemp was 3 for 6 today with a double. Delwyn Young was 4 for 5 with 2 HR's(!) and a double, and Daniel's fave Mitch Jones was 3 for 6 with a triple. Andy LaRoche returned and went 0 for 2 but, yep, had 2 walks and scored a run. Greg Miller had another bad outing, alas.
2007-06-04 22:06:25
398.   underdog
How do the A's (or anyone) go against Julian Tavarez and not win?
2007-06-04 22:06:28
399.   Eric Enders
Kemp and LaRoche both played very strong defense (according to Russ Langer at least).

So how long will Kemp be allowed to tear up AAA, with Brady Clark sucking it and the Dodgers struggling to score? I give it another week at most, if they each continue on their respective paces.

2007-06-04 22:10:23
400.   underdog
I dunno, but I still think Kemp should be starting, preferably in LA of course. Clark has value as a late innings defensive guy and occasional spot starter. Is that what we want Kemp to be? I want them to find a way to get Kemp in there full time, whether it's platooning with Ethier and/or Gonzo (and you know who) or whatever it takes. I almost see that as separate from the issue of Brady Clark.
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2007-06-04 22:11:08
401.   natepurcell
which dodger draft do you like better?

2002- loney, broxton, young, martin, mcdonald

2003- billingsley, paul, kemp, laroche,

2007-06-04 22:12:03
402.   natepurcell

everyone knows what the issue is but its not worth talking about since hes not going to be benched this year.

2007-06-04 22:16:08
403.   Branch Rickey
Not since I wanted to kiss Susie Russell in 7th grade have I wanted anything this badly.
2007-06-04 22:16:25
404.   underdog
He Who Will Not Be Named, you mean? Yeah, him.

Let's go back to talking about Monica Abbott.

I like the '02 draft if I had to choose, but they both have their gems obviously. Here's to a repeat in '07!

2007-06-04 22:17:40
405.   underdog
403 Saw it premiered and demo'd at MacWorld this year and had to wear a drool cup.
2007-06-04 22:23:10
406.   Branch Rickey
405. If I had been there I think I might have just run up and pushed Steve Jobs over and taken his. He doesn't look that strong. Apple doesn't mess up much with product releases and this one is important. I think it will be as cool as it looks. Hope to be posting on DT from Dodger games by next month.
2007-06-04 22:24:53
407.   Eric Enders
Ellis does it!
2007-06-04 22:25:00
408.   trainwreck
2007-06-04 22:33:53
409.   dodgerkramer1
Yes, the 2007 Bums remind me a lot of that 2003 L.A. team. For obvious reasons.

But more than that, 2007 reminds me of 1983, 84, 85, 86 -- great pitching and awful, awful defense.

2007-06-04 22:35:03
410.   Greg Brock
These are the great moments in sport. Heading over to The Griddle, checking the "Last time a guy" list, knowing it's going to be there, and yes, it's there. Completely predictable, yet oddly satisfying.
2007-06-04 22:48:52
411.   trainwreck
Apparently the NBA may impose a 5 year ban on Donovan if his contract is rescinded.
2007-06-04 22:55:57
412.   trainwreck
Chavez with the walk-off.
2007-06-04 22:58:37
413.   Greg Brock
The Cycle list is updated.


2007-06-04 22:59:38
414.   ToyCannon
Our Loons are heating up. Not only is Josh Bell going off but as Nate mentioned Mattingly is on a tear, but the biggest news is that Carlos Santana got two hits for the 1st time this year. I predict he will be the next Loon to step up and restore his prospect status.

Our AA Suns shut down Justin Upton with Paul showing good overall skills.

With Bigbie gone D Young decides to become the punisher with his league leading 20th double and threw in two rally killers to boot. I would mention Kemp but he already broke down the wooden door and is now facing a double steel door. It might take him all of two weeks to break down this latest obstacle. Loney now has 17 doubles but still just one rally killer. Who will hit their 2nd home run 1st, Nomar or Loney?

2007-06-04 23:02:59
415.   Greg Brock
414 Since you are a far more level headed person than I, let me ask you...When do you become irate (okay, not irate...Seriously perturbed) with Kemp sitting in the bus leagues instead of the majors?

Is it soon?

2007-06-04 23:06:19
416.   Bob Timmermann
I would have updated the list sooner, but I was engrossed in "The Sopranos."
2007-06-04 23:07:28
417.   Greg Brock
416 I just watched the episode about an hour ago.

Great Caesar's Ghost. What an episode.

2007-06-04 23:26:35
418.   Greg Brock
You guys might get a kick out of this. 25 things that have disappeared in the last 25 years. My personal favorite is #15. It's also why I don't watch the cable news.

2007-06-05 00:09:04
419.   Greg Brock
Unless I'm mistaken, ToyCannon's significant other is a teacher. If so, she should really check out a grant program called Donors Choose.

Instead of begging for state/government grants, Donors Choose is a private program where citizens look at teacher needs, chose the program they like the best, and give money to whomever they choose. My mother and sister, both elementary school teachers in LAUSD, just received LCD projectors and computer software in excess of $1000 dollars. It's a fantastic way to bypass the educational bureaucracy and find people who want to make education better.

Anyhoo, the website is She might want to take a look.

2007-06-05 00:32:34
420.   El Lay Dave
Caught up on the posts - looks like y'all covered all the bases. Just a couple side comments to add.

There was discussion about moving a pitcher into the field and back to the mound. The game I remembered was this one:
where Davey Johnson, in extra innings, switched Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell between pitching and a corner OF spot, until the Mets beat Pete Rose's Reds.

In guessing who's the actor bhsportsguy and ToyCannon met, the name Eric Bruskotter ("Major League II") was incorrectly guessed. One degree of separation, I've worked with his mother for 17 years. Interesting way Eric met his wife ( while filming "Starship Troopers" the shower scene....

2007-06-05 01:17:55
421.   bhsportsguy
Saw a note where Matt Dominguez is flying out to Pittsburgh at their invitation to have a batting practice session at PNC Park.

As Nate, Canuck, ToyCannon and other draft followers know, Pittsburgh is thinking about drafting a position player with their pick (No. 4) in Thursday's draft because of their recent history with pitchers picked high in the draft.

Dominguez might be in consideration for that pick since he would probably sign for slot money (MLB recommended bonus) and that he is already a plus defensive player with good power potential.

2007-06-05 01:31:24
422.   trainwreck
I know that dealing with draftees is risky, so a lot of teams do not want to spend a lot of money on signing players, but maybe these teams that constantly lose should invest more money in their drafts.

Not like the Pirates are spending a lot of money elsewhere, might as well try to strike gold with prospects.

2007-06-05 01:45:39
423.   bhsportsguy
Another interesting draft note, listening to Kevin Goldstein on the BP Podcast, he thinks if Wieters, catcher out of Georgia Tech, doesn't go by the 4th pick, he could fall all the way down to the 18th pick due to signability issues with Boras, who may want a Stephen Drew MLB contract deal for his star catcher.
2007-06-05 01:47:27
424.   trainwreck
I could see the Blue Jays taking a shot on Wieters if he drops. They need a catcher and they are willing to spend money, plus JP prefers college players.
2007-06-05 01:54:00
425.   bhsportsguy
422 This year will be interesting on that front because certain teams, the Giants and Padres have so many picks that it would seem unlikely for let's say the Giants to pick Wieters at 10 because they have to sign 5 other players in the top 51 and they are not going to spend 6 million for one guy and then have to divide another 2-3 million for 5 other players.

Right now, it appears to me that Rick Porcello and Wieters are the two most mentioned players who could slide due to high bonus demands.

2007-06-05 02:00:19
426.   trainwreck
I like Porcello more than anyone in the draft, so in the small chance he falls I would be ecstatic. I had heard the Royals are willing to pay to get him, but that might have changed.
2007-06-05 02:04:32
427.   trainwreck
The small chance of him falling to us.
2007-06-05 03:30:57
428.   dodgerstang
I just read this in a review for Tommy Davis' book.

* Vin Scully actually managed the Dodgers for one game – from the broadcast booth.


2007-06-05 06:42:32
429.   Bumsrap
It was late in the season and the Dodgers were not going to change their place in the standings win or lose. He was able to give signals for hit and run, steal, bunt, etc. but he did not make out the lineup nor change pitchers, etc. Just had some fun with the fans.
2007-06-05 06:47:14
430.   Bumsrap
I haven't sen any comments about Kent holding the ball at second instead of throwing out the runner at home yesterday. I assume someone said something here and it is burried within all the posts. Kent has been doing this all year but usually he does it after receiving a throw from the outfield and too casually allows runners to gain another base.

Llimited range, extended slump, casual play. Could it be that it is Kent and not Gonzo that should be retiring sooner than later?

2007-06-05 06:52:04
431.   Bumsrap
If the Dodgers want to make a trade they seem to be adding tradable pieces such as D. Young, M. Jones, T. Abreu to the more obvious pieces that we hold more dearly such as Bills, Broxton, Loney, Kemp, LaRoche, Kershaw, Miller, Kuo, Elbert, Ethier, Martin.
2007-06-05 07:06:35
432.   D4P
This is kinda interesting:

The DRays have been outscored by 76 runs.
The Yankees have outscored the opposition by 22 runs.

They have identical 24-31 records.

2007-06-05 07:40:55
433.   ToyCannon
Lance Berkman has ONE double and a 339 slug% in 189 at bats on June 5th. Sounds just about impossible.

Thanks for the info, I'll pass it on.

2007-06-05 07:45:20
434.   D4P
The number of former sluggers who have struggled so far this season is certainly noteworthy. There are so many that it seems unlikely to be the result of "chance". I also don't find the cold weather excuse sufficient to explain it all.
2007-06-05 09:16:52
435.   underdog
Mayo's latest draft projections still have the Dodgers taking Bumgarner, which I still am dubious about. He also has Smoker going way late, at the very end to SF (shudder).

It's a hard draft to predict, I'll grant you that. But some of his picks seem a little unlikely. Damn I wish Heyward would fall but he won't.

Does anyone know where Andy D'alessio is projected to go? 2nd round?

2007-06-05 09:24:42
436.   old dodger fan
435 From a May 23 South Carolina newspaper article about D'alessio

"Taken in the 10th round by the Los Angeles Dodgers in June — the same round in which Cincinnati picked him out of high school — D'Alessio spurned signing-bonus offers in excess of $60,000, an amount only five other 10th-rounders received.

He is unlikely to be chosen as high again; a handful of scouts said D'Alessio has rubbed pro clubs the wrong way."

Any idea what they mean by "rubbed the wrong way"?

2007-06-05 09:27:30
437.   Greg Brock
425 I sent you an e-mail yesterday. Hope you got it.
2007-06-05 09:34:40
438.   underdog
436 Hm, that's interesting, hadn't heard anything about off the field or personality issues. I only know he's talented and put up some great numbers at Clemson. He was picked as position player of the year in the Street and Smith baseball preview before the season. But maybe he has attitude problems? I had just assumed he'd spurned the Dodgers because he wanted to return to school but that could be wrong.
2007-06-05 09:39:22
439.   underdog
Damn, I wish I'd asked the BA chat guys this yesterday. Oh well.
2007-06-05 09:47:50
440.   old dodger fan
438 Maybe an opportunity to buy low.
2007-06-05 10:00:59
441.   old dodger fan
Video of Furcal's 6th play from last night is on Very nice play.
2007-06-05 10:02:32
442.   StolenMonkey86
Random useless tidbit:

Julio Lugo has 17 SB and 0 CS this year. He also is sporting a .287 OBP this year.

2007-06-05 10:03:16
443.   silverwidow
401-Long term, the 03 draft got us the highest ceiling kids in the system (Bills and Kemp). But, obviously, 02 is paying off right now with Martin and Broxton. Tough call.
2007-06-05 10:06:24
444.   ToyCannon
Gotta love this. The Dodgers DSL rookie just started and playing 3b is the one and only "Pedro Guerrero" age 18.
2007-06-05 10:08:11
445.   underdog
441 Was one of ESPN's web gems last night, too.
2007-06-05 10:33:18
446.   Bob Timmermann
Steve Finley has been DFA'd. Time for a triumphant return to Los Angeles?
2007-06-05 10:37:01
447.   old dodger fan
446 OPS .490 in 94 AB's this year. This might be the end.
2007-06-05 10:43:14
448.   D4P
And yet, Finley has more HRs this season than Furcal and Pierre combined.
2007-06-05 10:49:28
449.   old dodger fan
448 I almost wrote that he has as many as the top 3 in our batting order combined.
2007-06-05 10:50:19
450.   D4P
Oh yeah, should have included Nomor in there.
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2007-06-05 10:50:32
451.   underdog
Really? Wow. If Finley can be DFA'd who knows who else could be... Why, the possibilities are endless! Okay, maybe not.

I heard the Cubs are looking to trade Jacque Jones now. Hah! HAH!

2007-06-05 10:54:14
452.   Reddog
I'm wondering about Bigbie. Was this a big mistake on Colletti's part? I mean, didn't he have a great spring training? Wasn't he doing great at AAA? Would he have helped the Dodgers this year if they had called him up? He's probably way better than Pierre, right? Where is he now, anyone know?
2007-06-05 10:54:30
453.   Gagne55
Jason Schmidt is back. Yeeeaaahh!!
2007-06-05 10:57:11
454.   underdog
No one's signed Bigbie as of yet. Other teams may feel the way the Dodgers do, which is his AAA numbers are likely a little inflated compared to how he might contribute on the ML level at this point. Still, I agree, he should be able to help someone - I mean, the Cubs, f'rinstance? Or the Royals? You'd think someone would take a flyer on him. I think the Dodgers also felt too lefty-heavy in the OF, which was one reason they trade for Clark when Repko got hurt rather than promoting Bigbie.
2007-06-05 10:58:38
455.   underdog
Actually, I meant the Orioles (his former team) not the Cubs, although maybe them too.
2007-06-05 10:59:56
456.   regfairfield
452 The Dodgers will miss Larry Bigbie about as much as they'd miss Marlon Anderson. Look at what he's done in recent years in the bigs. His great minor league numbers were fueled by a .404 BABIP, so those aren't worth worrying about.

He'll either end up on the end of some teams bench or playing for some other AAA affiliate. It's not worth worrying about.

2007-06-05 11:00:33
457.   goofus
452 Bigbie has to be as good as Clark. Every time I look at Colletti I think the lights are on but no one's home...
2007-06-05 11:05:41
458.   regfairfield
Bigbie 2005 (272 AB): .239/.301/.346
Bigbie 2006 (25 AB): .240/.321/.280

He really doesn't have to be as good as Clark.

454 The Cubs and the Royals both have packed corner outfield situations. They wouldn't need Bigbie.

2007-06-05 11:09:31
459.   goofus
Anderson, Martinez and either Betemitt or Saenz should be sent packing, replaced by Loney, LaRoche, and Kemp. Got to be an improvement.
Outfielders: Gonsalves, Pierre, Eithier, Kemp, Loney and LaRoche as backup
Infielders: Nomar, Kent, Furcal, Abreu, LaRoche, Loney, Betemitt (or Saenz)
Two catchers, 12 pitchers.
2007-06-05 11:14:57
460.   Branch Rickey
459. So basically you wish for Loney, LaRoche and Kemp to see nearly zero playing time which is exaclty what the guys you'd like to replace have seen. Can't play 25 guys every day.
2007-06-05 11:17:03
461.   CajunDodger
I am admittedly a fan of hypotheticals (and of Saenz), but I do not think that Saenz should be shown the door until someone proves to me that he can no longer hit the fastball of the marginal relievers he faces 50-75 times per year.

I can certainly see the value of a youth movement given all the talent we have, but I personally would like to see Saenz given an extension of another year. Send Martinez and Anderson packing and go with Kemp and Abreu permanently. I think LaRoche could use a bit more time in Vegas.

2007-06-05 11:23:31
462.   old dodger fan
Schmidt is pitching tonight but is not yet on the 25 man roster. I assume Hull is the odd man out. Is that official?
2007-06-05 11:36:54
463.   underdog
459 See my comment 400 above. Which is similar to Branch's comment.
2007-06-05 11:39:01
464.   underdog
No official move yet but I'd assume Hull will be sent back to Vegas. Though with Saito's status up in the air, who knows?

Saw on Diamond Leung's blog this note: "was able to squeeze in a call from the Dodgers' new scouting director, Tim Hallgren with the draft coming up on Thursday. Hallgren worked out 50-plus potential draft picks at Dodger Stadium last night from 6-11:30 p.m. From what I can gather, the Dodgers have narrowed down their first-round pick (20th overall) to six or so players. Look out for more details in Thursday's paper."

2007-06-05 11:44:21
465.   ToyCannon
You'd have a hard time convincing me that youth is better served by sitting on a major league bench. Of course the player wants to be up because the increase in money is incredible so he will rationalize everything to make it sound like sitting on a bench is a good idea as opposed to getting 4 at bats every night or a regular turn in a rotation in the minors. If they aren't going to play in either a platoon or a semi regular basis then playing everyday in AAA/AA is the next best alternative. Every team needs it's Clark's and company. We have a nice bench of players who know their roles. My druthers would be Pierre and Gonzo playing their roles on the bench but I don't think removing our current bench players gains anything.
2007-06-05 11:45:44
466.   ToyCannon
Wow, they really had 50 players working out at DS last night. That doesn't seem possible.
2007-06-05 11:56:25
467.   bhsportsguy
For those who follow such things.

In a bout with insomnia, I reviewed the BABIP/Line Drive percentage for Kemp and Loney while in AAA.

Loney 2007 - 20.7% line drives in BABIP
Loney 2006 - 25.3% line drives in BABIP
Kemp 2007 - 22.8% line drives in BABIP
Kemp 2006 - 24.5% line drives in BABIP

So it looks like what Jon wrote about what Russ Langer saying about Loney still hitting the ball hard is true, sure he's down about 20% in line drive percentage but he may still come on and raise it a little bit but if what I have read on DT is correct, we are still looking at a .300 hitter in big leagues.

The only thing Kemp isn't doing is hitting the ball out of the park. But his other numbers seem to be consistent with this particular measurement.

Okay, Andrew and the others who actually know this stuff, am I correct in my analysis?

2007-06-05 11:58:46
468.   bhsportsguy
428 I thought Eric Enders or Bob might chime in on this one but my recollection is that there was a game I think back in the Coliseum where Vinny called a hit and run play from the broadcast booth.

But Vinny is no Jerry Coleman on that regard.

2007-06-05 12:01:29
469.   Doctor
Can Matt Kemp be any more on fire? If he can do 1/2 this much damage to MLB pitchers we need him up!
2007-06-05 12:02:25
470.   Doctor

Kemp HR.

2007-06-05 12:02:44
471.   regfairfield
467 From what I was looking at earlier in the year, I think Loney's problem was that he wasn't hitting the ball well at the beginning of the year. Two or three weeks ago, his line drive percentage was down around 17%, so it looks like he's just starting to come around.

Also, a 20% LD% isn't necessarily a sign that a guy will be a .300 hitter in the bigs, you need to get up to where Loney was in 2006 to be reasonably assured of that.

Other than that, it's pretty spot on.

2007-06-05 12:03:51
472.   still bevens
Man I'm so glad the blue is headed back to the west coast. Seems like we've had to deal with Steiner and Psycho for far too long.
2007-06-05 12:10:06
473.   old dodger fan
472 Out here on the East Coast we need to get used to being up till midnight (or worse) again.
2007-06-05 12:10:50
474.   Hallux Valgus
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Pinch-hitter Alan Oaks homered off Vanderbilt ace David Price in the top of the 10th inning and Michigan beat the overall No. 1 seed Commodores 4-3 on Monday night to advance to the NCAA tournament's super regionals.
2007-06-05 12:13:02
475.   underdog
470 Yep, speak of the devil! Kemp just hit one out. So too did Daniel fave Mitch Jones, for his 19th! Loney's in RF today and has a hit so far.
2007-06-05 12:13:09
476.   bhsportsguy
471 How many guys reach 25% even in the majors?

But if you are a guy like Kemp who not only is hitting around 23% line drives and he can run to beat out those slow rollers to the left side, that must make him a good candidate to be able to hit for a decent average with power? Or should I go back and reread the Hardball Times article?

2007-06-05 12:16:49
477.   bhsportsguy
472 Hey, I get to deal with 9 innings of Monday and Reuss on the radio out here. Though, I like Jerry Reuss as an analyst with Monday, they have a good rapport as former teammates and Reuss has a lot of good things to say.

Let's put it this way, while Steiner and Monday are generally pretty comical (they try to be funny and sometimes get to talking about the Yankees in the 5th inning when they do the scoreboard), at least Jerry Reuss tries to talk about pitch location or what defensive adjustments are being made, etc.

2007-06-05 12:20:53
478.   regfairfield
476 Very few.
2007-06-05 12:20:56
479.   old dodger fan
Does Monday ever talk about the '65 draft. He was the #1 pick.
2007-06-05 12:21:56
480.   Bob Timmermann
I've never heard him mention it.
2007-06-05 12:24:05
481.   old dodger fan
It must have been a heck of a thrill. Do you know what his signing bonus was?
2007-06-05 12:27:58
482.   bhsportsguy
479 He's talks about Charlie Finley and growing up in Santa Monica but not too much about the draft.

478 According to Russ Langer, Kemp's homer was a line drive over the fence. Loney's hit three liners, two for hits, one caught in the outfield.

2007-06-05 12:29:16
483.   Marty
I find Reuss very tedious. He's got some stock phrases that annoy me. Like when giving scores, he can't just say XX leads YY 4-1. He has to say XX leads YY by the score of 4-1. He's got a few like that that are like fingernails on a chalkboard for me.
2007-06-05 12:36:47
484.   Hallux Valgus
Buddy Carlisle is pitching right now, and the Marlins announcers have been going on for about 5 minutes now making Who's on first style "buddy" jokes. (Do you have any buddies named Buddy? Are they on your AOL buddy list?). Now they're just naming everyone they can think of named Buddy. I'll take Steiner and Monday over this nonsense.
2007-06-05 12:39:18
485.   D4P
I'm not sure Steiner and Monday are "above" that kind of nonsense.
2007-06-05 12:39:28
486.   bhsportsguy
BTW - We should be seeing the Juan Pierre batting leadoff for the next 2 1/2 weeks because the Dodgers are not scheduled to face a lefthanded starter until the Tampa Bay Sereis on the 22nd.

Some of the pitchers the Dodgers will face in the next 5 series include Chris Young, Greg Maddux, Jake Peavy, Roy Halladay (twice), Orlando Hernandez, John Maine, Bartolo Colon, Jered Weaver, Kelvim Escobar and A.J. Burnett.

Sounds like fun don't it. And don't you love interleague play?

2007-06-05 12:42:54
487.   underdog
Roy Halladay twice?? And the Angels again. That's fair!
At least there's no decent pitching in our own division. :-/
2007-06-05 12:43:39
488.   still bevens
486 For some reason we do okay against aces. Maybe its just my selective memory, but its the losses against total scrubs that drives me completely insane. The starter on that list who's going to make me the most batty is Maddux. I have a feeling hes going to go deep into the game on Wednesday because we lack patience.
2007-06-05 12:44:24
489.   ToyCannon
B. Carlyle is making Jon proud.

Sure would have been nice to face Seo/Fossum before Tampa revamped the rotation.

2007-06-05 12:48:03
490.   thinkblue0
yeah we face Halladay twice and something tells me the Pads won't have to face him once....
2007-06-05 12:51:09
491.   bhsportsguy
490 Considering they don't play the Blue Jays, you are correct sir.

We can only hope that they get to face at least two of the top pitchers for the Red Sox (Beckett, Schilling and Dice K). With the Dodger's luck they will face Wakefield and Tavarez.

2007-06-05 12:52:24
492.   bhsportsguy
Another schedule note, two great pitching matchups this Sunday, in LA, Jason Schmidt and Roy Halladay and in Phoenix, Randy Johnson can't seem to get away from the Red Sox vs. Dice K.
2007-06-05 12:54:09
493.   bhsportsguy
492 Unfortunately for the fans in the Bronx, that means the Randy Johnson will not be pitching in Yankee Stadium during the following series with the Yankees.
2007-06-05 12:54:23
494.   dsfan
Serious question: How good of a bench player would Pierre be? My guess is, pretty good. As a pinch-hitter, he probably wouldn't strike out and is a good bunter. He would be a good pinch-runner. Defensively, he should return you above-average range in LF and average or better range in CF.

Obviously he would be hugely overpaid, but maybe that's where this ultimately will go, Pierre as a bench player who sees spot duty in CF and LF.

Would love to read more about whether Kemp has improved in CF. That's one of the selling points of keeping him in Vegas. Working with Easler in a less pressurized environment is another.

2007-06-05 12:57:30
495.   dsfan

I don't think failed patience is the culprit for losing to Maddux. It's not like he's going to walk you. Hitters have been swinging early against him for many years because he throws so many strikes and it's no fun at all hitting against him with two strikes. More than anything, it's very hard to read the ball off him because of the late life.

2007-06-05 12:58:36
496.   old dodger fan
494 We could get rid of $1.7 million of his salary by giving away or trading Clark because we would not need him anymore.
2007-06-05 13:01:33
497.   Humma Kavula
I would be all for Juan Pierre as a bench player, mostly because it doesn't matter a whole lot who a team's bench players are.

Does anybody out there like Pierre? Seriously, has anyone seen anything written that actually takes the position that Pierre has been good for the Dodgers?

There was Bill Shaikin's piece that said, "Hey, the Dodgers are in first place, and isn't that what matters?," but that's not the same thing.

2007-06-05 13:04:38
498.   still bevens
495 Hence the frustration I guess.

I hope we do well in this series. The Padres are on a 12-2 run that has got to come back down to earth soon. Im hoping our starters can go deep into some of these games and have Billingsley set up Broxton for the late innings.

2007-06-05 13:10:20
499.   Doctor
I actually like Pierre's game in general, if he was playing it. Sure it would be nice if he walked more, but I can handle .330-.340 OBP if he was doing some of the other things that he used to do. For me- the way he is useful is if he:
Takes extra bases, steals bases, slaps the ball all over the place and puts pressure on the defense/pitcher. But he isn't doing that. He is station to station on the base-paths, has what 3 or 4 SBs in the last month? and he pops the ball up or bounces out to second 90% of the time. It's got to be frustrating, even to the people who wanted him in the first place.
2007-06-05 13:10:58
500.   old dodger fan
Chris Young's ERA in May is 1.13 over 40 IP. He's a big part of their recent success.
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2007-06-05 13:12:21
501.   Bluebleeder87
You'd have a hard time convincing me that youth is better served by sitting on a major league bench. Of course the player wants to be up because the increase in money is incredible so he will rationalize everything to make it sound like sitting on a bench is a good idea as opposed to getting 4 at bats every night or a regular turn in a rotation in the minors.

good point TC.

2007-06-05 13:23:07
502.   still bevens
500 And we beat his brains out on Jackie Robinson day. I hope JP, Furcal and Martin can get on base and start stealin'. We're gonna need any advantage we can get to win.
2007-06-05 13:25:42
503.   Bob Timmermann
I will ask the assembled masses here since this was posed at the Griddle?

Is it standard now for 8-year olds in Little League to have a pitching machine instead of a player pitching?

2007-06-05 13:27:57
504.   Bob Timmermann
Does anyone know which number Eric Hull wore while he was up on the big squad?
2007-06-05 13:29:51
505.   Doctor


2007-06-05 13:30:40
506.   Bob Timmermann
Hull has fared better than Steve Howe in many respects.
2007-06-05 13:35:09
507.   Doctor
2007-06-05 13:41:25
508.   Super Nintendo Chalmers
Always in moderation:
2007-06-05 13:41:30
509.   old dodger fan
504 You used the past tense (wore). Is it official?
2007-06-05 13:43:32
510.   Bob Timmermann
Yes. Hull down and Schmidt reactivated.
2007-06-05 13:47:22
511.   Nagman
503 In our league, for the 7-8 year olds, the pitching machine is used in the first half of the game, then the kids pitch during the second half. Needless to say, the pace of the game hits a brick wall about halfway thru.

This division also does not keep score until a double elimination tournament at the end of the season.

2007-06-05 13:47:27
512.   old dodger fan
510 Probably the right decision but too bad he didn't get into at least 1 game.
2007-06-05 13:48:18
513.   gibsonhobbs88
Last night was another case of the Dodgers living up to their name and their team DNA. A 5-0 lead in the 7th with a no hitter going turns into a 6-5 squeaker with the tying run on 3rd and winning run on 1st. IF YOU HAVE A WEAK HEART, THE DODGERS ARE NOT THE TEAM FOR YOU! LOL! Dodgers probably lose more fans to heart failure than your average team. The Dodgers always seem to take the hard road even when given the option of the easier road, they opt for tougher path to follow.

So, I guess Tomrickson or Hendko are relegated to middle and long relief for now. Bills, Beimel and Rudy are our set up men for The OX until Saito is healed. BE STILL MY BEATING HEART!!!

2007-06-05 13:49:00
514.   Bob Timmermann
My nephew was playing on a diamond laid out so that during most of the summer, the batters are looking into the sun.

Always a good way to improve the batting eyes of youngsters.

2007-06-05 13:50:05
515.   OaklandAs
503 Yes. Little league generally goes from T-Ball to Coach Pitch to Machine Pitch to Kid Pitch, with the kids pitching around age 9. Before that age, there would be way too many walks, hit batters, and wild pitches, and very little hitting or fielding.
2007-06-05 13:50:46
516.   Doctor
I know a lot of people want Billingsly to start, but he is going to be soooo important in the 'pen over the next week or so.
2007-06-05 13:55:12
517.   old dodger fan
514 I played 1B on a LL team in the High Desert. Any throw from 3B in the late afternoon was sure to be right in the middle of the sun. I always hated to see the ball hit to 3rd.
2007-06-05 14:00:23
518.   Marty
When I played little league, they didn't allow 8 year olds.

And we liked it!

2007-06-05 14:00:30
519.   Bumsrap
Loney is back in RF today, Kemp in CF, LaRoche at third, and Jones at first.

Can a 30 year old rookie hit his way to MLB? Jones power is needed. Could he have stepped in front of Loney on the first base depth chart?

2007-06-05 14:02:57
520.   D4P
And you had to run uphill to first base. Both ways!
2007-06-05 14:04:21
521.   Humma Kavula
519 Like others, I read Mitch Jones's story and I root for him to make the majors -- with some other team, in the American League. The guy clearly deserves one shot at the brass ring... I'm just not convinced that his shot should come for the Dodgers. If he gets the call over Loney or Kemp, there's something wrong.
2007-06-05 14:04:34
522.   Xeifrank
Gaslamp blog seems to think they could trade for Adam Dunn by giving up Clay Hensley. Seems to me that it would take much more than that, as there would probably be competition from a few other teams for his service if he were to be on the market.
vr, Xei
2007-06-05 14:05:35
523.   trainwreck
Peter Gammons suggests Porcello could possibly fall to the Yankees. If he falls to us we have to take him! I do not care if we do not like Boras. Just give the kid money and let him pitch.
2007-06-05 14:05:38
524.   Bumsrap
Once upon a time I was talking with my grandson and I told him way back in 2007 when I was just a kid I once warmed up in the bullpen at Dodger Stadium.
2007-06-05 14:06:50
525.   ToyCannon
Not our roster but the Yankee's might take a shot at him. Or Brazel from the Royals AAA team. They are the Pickering of 2007.

A 200Mill roster and they are playing Phelps at 1st base and starting two rookies back to back in the rotation who have no business being in the bigs yet. I wonder if Cashman looks at Carlos Pena and bites his nails. Could've had him for peanuts.

2007-06-05 14:09:27
526.   Benjamin Miracord
Mark Hendrickson is dead, Doctor?
2007-06-05 14:09:40
527.   Bumsrap
521 - Is there a short version of Mitch Jones story?
2007-06-05 14:10:21
528.   old dodger fan
519 In 1965 the Dodgers brought up a 30 year old named Lou Johnson. He had played about 100 games over 3 years in his mid-20's so he was not a real rookie but pretty close. He had 3 great years for the Dodgers including a WS game 7 HR with Koufax on the mound. He also scored the only run in Koufax's perfect game in '65.
2007-06-05 14:11:15
529.   Bumsrap
Sweet Mitch Jones
2007-06-05 14:11:40
530.   Doctor

M.H. = "May He"

2007-06-05 14:15:31
531.   Humma Kavula
527 Career minor leaguer, tons of power (500ish SLG year after year), won the 2004 AA and 2005 AAA Home Run Derbys, but unspectacular BA (.260) and OBP (.330)... never made the majors, not even a cup of coffee.

As far as the Yankees taking a flyer on him... he was a Yankee prospect until last year. (That's partly why he never got a callup, I suppose.)

2007-06-05 14:17:18
532.   Bumsrap
Steinbrenner might be quietly enjoying a --so you think you can do this without me--view of the Yankees this year. When will he jump in and do something stupid that the Dodgers might take advantage of?
2007-06-05 14:20:24
533.   trainwreck
I don't know what the Yankees have that could help us. I do not want to trade a ton of prospects just to have A-Rod for two months.
2007-06-05 14:20:30
534.   Bumsrap
531 - The Yankees have been wanting a right handed bat at first for a while but they like to pay big for other team's big hitters more than bring up an unknown, or so it seems.
2007-06-05 14:21:00
535.   ToyCannon
Your not a Dodger fan if you don't know the Lou Johnson story. Has any player, played so briefly and yet is more fondly remembered?

Maybe RJ Reynolds?

2007-06-05 14:21:53
536.   Bluebleeder87
you can't beat live pitching Bob, but the machines are good for mechanics hand eye coordination & so on.IMO.
2007-06-05 14:23:30
537.   Humma Kavula
"Have you met Mitch Jones?"
Someone said as we shook hands
He was just Mitch Jones to me
Then I said, Mitch Jones,
You're a guy who understands
Center Field don't come for free
And all at once, then, Juan Pierre
Grounded out to second, where
Upon I gave someone else a try

Now I've met Mitch Jones
And we'll keep on meeting til we die
Mitch Jones and I

2007-06-05 14:24:28
538.   Bumsrap
I think the key to getting AROD if it were to happen is to trade payroll meaning Penny, Pierre, Kent and either LaRoche or Betemit.
2007-06-05 14:26:14
539.   trainwreck
Boras wants A-Rod to hit free agency. There lies the problem. Plus, we have a GM and an assistant GM that do not like the guy, which will hurt us.
2007-06-05 14:26:53
540.   Humma Kavula
538 I think the key to getting A-Rod is giving up an unacceptable lot of young talent: something like Kemp and Loney and LaRoche and Billingsley. Obviously, the Dodgers would never do this trade, but without all of them, why would the Yankees trade A-Rod? I wouldn't.
2007-06-05 14:29:19
541.   blue22
535 - Your not a Dodger fan if you don't know the Lou Johnson story.

Huh? Those are tough standards you're setting there.

532 - I think George is quite sick these days, of the "not of sound mind" variety. I'm really not sure how much control he has over the team these days, outside of figurehead status.

2007-06-05 14:29:59
542.   D4P
When ARod hit free agency, which teams can reasonably be expected to be able to afford him?
2007-06-05 14:30:23
543.   Bob Timmermann
This 41-year old stepped into a batting cage for the first time in three years this past weekend.

The results were ...


2007-06-05 14:31:00
544.   Bumsrap
540 - I don't think the Yankees will trade AROD nor do they want to trade him. But if they truly believed he will leave after this year they are either going to have to pay most of his future salary or take players with high salaries. Prospects have basically zero salary.
2007-06-05 14:31:42
545.   Marty
Sweet Lou Johnson was my mother's favorite Dodger.
2007-06-05 14:33:17
546.   trainwreck
Red Sox, Yankees, Giants, and Angels?
2007-06-05 14:33:40
547.   Kevin Lewis
So, who would we be willing to give up for someone like Dunn? Bills, Loney, Kemp, Abreu, Laroche, Broxton?

Because of Abreu's recent success, does it help his chances of being traded for someone else at third, or should we turn our attention to the problems at 1st and in the outfield (calling Matt Kemp)

2007-06-05 14:33:54
548.   trainwreck
UCLA got a commitment from a 6'7" offensive linemen named Jonathan Martin.
2007-06-05 14:34:33
549.   Kevin Lewis
Oh, Ethier should be in that list too
2007-06-05 14:36:23
550.   Bumsrap
Since I have no desire for Dunn to be a Dodger I would not offer anything for him.
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2007-06-05 14:39:37
551.   blue22
546 - Cubs, Dodgers, White Sox?
2007-06-05 14:40:42
552.   Bluebleeder87

Don't get discouraged Bob, keep on going & trust be you'll get better.

2007-06-05 14:43:08
553.   Kevin Lewis

Well, then that leads to the other question. If we were to trade for someone, what position should it be?

2007-06-05 14:44:29
554.   trainwreck
It depends who we are willing to trade, but I would prefer to trade for an outfielder.
2007-06-05 14:46:10
555.   Kevin Lewis
Who are feasible options right now?
2007-06-05 14:47:01
556.   goofus
I wonder if the Yankees would have any interest at all in Nomar? There is also the 'in your face' thing at the Red Sox. Nomar and Tomko for...what?
2007-06-05 14:50:49
557.   blue22
556 - Nomar and Tomko for...what?

I don't know much about this "what?" guy, but he sounds like a good return for that package. Consider it a deal.

555 - I think Rocco Baldelli will be the guy. He "fits" Ned more than Dunn.

2007-06-05 14:52:43
558.   Humma Kavula
555 Please, for the love of everything holy, no more trades with the Devil Rays.
2007-06-05 14:53:03
559.   Humma Kavula
that should have been directed at 557.
2007-06-05 14:53:24
560.   trainwreck
Carl Crawford and then there are rentals in Hunter and Dye. Dye may come cheaply.
2007-06-05 14:54:03
561.   underdog
557 Ugh. No more Devil Ray veterans! No, I put my foot down. And I used to be a Baldelli fan. But he seems all broken down and unreliable this year. (Unless they want Hendrickson back for him.) I'd rather us just play Kemp if we're looking for an outfielder.
2007-06-05 14:54:29
562.   Eric Enders
428 "Vin Scully actually managed the Dodgers for one game – from the broadcast booth. ???"

Gary Kaufman talked about this in his famous Salon article on Scully.

"The golden age of the transistor radio made Vin Scully's voice an overarching presence at Dodger Stadium. So many fans brought radios to the game, the broadcast could be heard in every corner of the ballpark.... He used that power only rarely. Once he had the crowd sing "Happy Birthday" to an umpire, Frank Secory. In 1965, on the last day of the season, with the Dodgers having clinched the pennant the night before, manager Walter Alston let Scully manage, over the radio, from the booth. A very hung over Ron Fairly drew a walk ("He didn't trot to first base. He didn't really walk to first base. He sloshed to first base"), and Scully thought it would be fun to have Fairly, slow-footed in the best of times, steal.

"For those of you in the ballpark with transistor radios listening," Scully said, "watch Fairly's face when he looks over to third and gets the steal sign." After a double take for the ages by Fairly and a foul ball by the hitter, Scully had Fairly go again, and he made it, thanks to the catcher dropping the ball. At that, Scully retired from managing: "All right, Walter," he said, "I got you this far. Now you're on your own.""

2007-06-05 14:54:47
563.   underdog
(Except Carl Crawford, I could see the value in adding him... but I'd rather not send any more kids to the D-Rays.)
2007-06-05 14:54:54
564.   blue22
559 - At least they'd be getting a halfway talented player in return this time.

Now if Ned can get him without giving up Billz, Kershaw, or Kemp...

2007-06-05 14:55:37
565.   trainwreck
I won't bring up Dukes even though we could get him for peanuts.
2007-06-05 15:00:27
566.   trainwreck
If we could get Crawford for Elbert, Ethier, and Betemit, I would do it.
2007-06-05 15:02:18
567.   Humma Kavula
Speaking of Elbert, anybody know the story with him?
2007-06-05 15:04:12
568.   gpellamjr
565 Is that true?

What is the deal with him? I don't mean his off-field problems. What are his talents? How good could he be expected to be?

2007-06-05 15:05:04
569.   blue22
566 - I don't think that gets it done, not with Elbert's arm troubles.

Doesn't a package start with Billingsley or Kershaw, add another live arm for the pen, and a hitter at a position of need?

Billingsley, Meloan, Abreu for Crawford?

2007-06-05 15:05:48
570.   trainwreck
Yeah, the D-Rays feel that he needs to badly get out of Florida and away from a lot of people. The guy is extremely talented. A prototypical 5 tool talent.
2007-06-05 15:06:58
571.   trainwreck
Yeah, it probably does not get it done, but that is what I would offer. I would not trade Billingsley at all.
2007-06-05 15:07:19
572.   blue22
567 - "Scott Elbert" and "shoulder" returns 39,600 results on Google. Probably not a good sign.
2007-06-05 15:14:02
573.   Marty
Attn Andrew Shimmin, Better than Chicken Fried Bacon:

Here is the special burger from a newly-reopended hamburger place, Hawkin's House of Burgers, in my neighborhood.

The Hawkins Special: 3 - 8oz patties, 3 eggs, 2 hot links, ridiculous amounts of bacon and pastrami, pickles, mustard, cheese.

All for 12.50

2007-06-05 15:16:37
574.   Hallux Valgus
573 does that include a balloon for the angioplasty afterward?
2007-06-05 15:18:51
575.   jasonungar07
For me and this is simply from what I have seen with my eyes...I would not trade Bills or Kemp for anyone other than Puljos or Cabrerra. Someone could probably come up with a few other young players that can fit with those two, but no one comes to mind right now.
2007-06-05 15:19:54
576.   Kevin Lewis
I think I started sweating grease from just reading about that
2007-06-05 15:20:18
577.   bhsportsguy
567 According to Tony Jackson's Org update on (premium content so no link), he said that Elbert has been in extended spring training (translates to working out in Vero Beach area or someplace similar) and a MRI showed no structural damage to the shoulder, still recovering from tendinitis in the front of hsi shoulder.
2007-06-05 15:21:33
578.   StolenMonkey86
535 - This was well before my time, but thanks to the internet I'm a Dodger fan by those standards.

2007-06-05 15:34:30
579.   underdog
This was a funny aside in Josh R's new post on ItD:
"As for Charley Steiner jinxing the no-hitter, I have to say that I'm just not that superstitious. If you want to blame anyone, blame me because after six innings of no-hit ball, I called Jason Repko to talk about a few things for the upcoming community program that he's launching and I asked if he was watching the game. When he said he wasn't near a TV, I told him about the no-no and he assured me that I had jinxed it. About five minutes after we hung up, the first hit came and I got a text message from him blaming me for the loss of the no-hitter."
2007-06-05 15:46:05
580.   Doctor
While Chris Young is pitching 0 (zero) base runners have been caught this year in 16 SB attempts, 4 were caught in 45 SB attempts last year. I read somewhere that he doesn't really care about that fact and considers stoles bases somewhat trivial. He may or may not be right, but I really hope every runner with speed we get on advances tonight!
2007-06-05 15:48:33
581.   bhsportsguy
Get used to this lineup, outside of some off-days due to only a few scheduled off-days, it is the one you will see until they face a lefty starter in Tampa Bay.

Pierre, CF
Furcal, SS
Garciaparra, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzalez, LF
Martin, C
Ethier, RF
Abreu, 3B
Schmidt, P

2007-06-05 15:52:16
582.   gpellamjr
581 Or until there's a trade!
2007-06-05 15:52:47
583.   gpellamjr
Russell Martin: best 6th hitter in the NL?
2007-06-05 15:53:27
584.   trainwreck
In baseball.
2007-06-05 15:54:26
585.   Marty
The penultimate ItD post got over 300 comments. It's a laugh riot.
2007-06-05 15:58:53
586.   the OZ
583 In the Galaxy.
2007-06-05 16:01:57
587.   still bevens
So here's a question that I'll rephrase to avoid beating a dead horse. Does hitting in the third spot increase or decrease Nomar's value? He's clearly knocking in runs. Could we get someone in there to do hit the ball harder, or do Nomar's singles count for just as much?
2007-06-05 16:02:56
588.   bhsportsguy
583 Of the 10 MLB batters in the 6th spot with over 100 plate appearances, Martin ranks 3rd in OPS (behind Mike Lowell and Brad Hawpe), tied for 3rd with Pudge (again, behind Lowell and Hawpe) in RBI, 3rd in Runs but leads the other 9 players in stolen bases with 4.

So I guess he would rank 2nd behind Brad Hawpe in the NL.

2007-06-05 16:03:04
589.   blue22
581 - Is Betemit done starting for the foreseeable future? I admit I haven't watched a lot of games on this East Coast swing. Is Abreu now getting all of the starts, left and right?
2007-06-05 16:03:25
590.   Bluebleeder87

is there such a thing as a 5 tool catcher?

2007-06-05 16:10:48
591.   bhsportsguy
587 While Nomar still does a pretty good job driving in runs in the 3rd spot, he's tied for 5th out of 32 players with 100 or more plate appearances, the other component of batting 3rd is scoring runs too.

This is where Nomar is lagging behind and its hard to tell what exactly is causing this to happen. For one, Nomar's OPS in 30th out of 32 batters. He's tied for 21st place in Runs.

But as Jon pointed out the other day, there are a lot of big name players in this showcase lineup spot that are off to poor starts.

2007-06-05 16:11:50
592.   bhsportsguy
589 Abreu is going start as long as he his performing but I would guess that Betemit will get a start somewhere in the next 15 games against righties.
2007-06-05 16:21:36
593.   CajunDodger
Wouldn't Nomar do better in a different slot where he would leade off more innings and where his penchant for not striking out would do us more good. I may not understand the mechanics of the batting lineup as well as others here, but here would be the lineup that I would like to see:


2007-06-05 16:22:31
594.   blue22
591 - He's only got a .329 OBP overall, with 11 XBH's and 1 SB. He's simply not getting on base and into scoring position often enough to score any runs.

He's hitting .350 with runners on (but only a .410 SLG%), so that's how he's getting his RBIs. About the only productive thing he's doing offensively is getting a lot of singles with runners on. Outside of that, it's a barren wasteland (a .566 OPS with the bases empty).

I guess it's good that he's making his hits count at least, but his inflated RBI total is putting lipstick on an otherwise brutal season.

2007-06-05 16:23:17
595.   old dodger fan
Why the Pierre - Furcal switch? I've been camping for a few days so forgive me if this has been beaten to death but it surprised me.
2007-06-05 16:24:16
596.   Humma Kavula
You know, it will be kind of funny if Nomar ends up with 9 HR and 100 RBI.
2007-06-05 16:24:40
597.   jasonungar07

Those 32 playes, are those first baseman or 3 hole hitters?

2007-06-05 16:26:15
598.   bhsportsguy
597 Guys batting 3rd.
2007-06-05 16:27:22
599.   Hallux Valgus
596- at this rate, 9 would be a power explosion.
2007-06-05 16:28:15
600.   bhsportsguy
593 Unfortunately, that lineup will never happen because if Pierre's only value is when he can steal a base, you just don't steal batting 8th. If this was the AL, then it might make some sense because you don't have the dead spot.
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2007-06-05 16:30:12
601.   Humma Kavula
599 Yes, but think about the comedy factor. A Martinez would be able to boast his predictive powers -- just one season off!
2007-06-05 16:30:51
602.   Bluebleeder87

That's pretty crazy

2007-06-05 16:31:24
603.   jasonungar07
Funny for who, The Padres? The D-backs?
2007-06-05 16:31:57
604.   blue22
596 - I'm sure that would warm the cockles of Steve's heart.
2007-06-05 16:32:46
605.   Humma Kavula
Last year, somebody -- I think it was A Martinez, never really found out who it was -- predicted before the season that Nomar would end up (last year) with 9 HR and 100 RBI. He was roundly ridiculed for this prediction.

And then, there was 2007...

2007-06-05 16:33:30
606.   Humma Kavula
Whatever happened to Steve? I miss him.
2007-06-05 16:33:41
607.   CajunDodger
What do you think about the position of Nomar at #2?
2007-06-05 16:35:13
608.   jasonungar07
598 thanks.

Cajun, Nomar's OBP when no one is on base is .275 and he is hitting .225

2007-06-05 16:37:33
609.   blue22
606 - I checked

No sign of him there, and I'm fresh out of ideas.

2007-06-05 16:38:15
610.   D4P
I sent the Ninja an email the other day, but haven't heard back.
2007-06-05 16:38:28
611.   trainwreck
Our lineup configuration will always look odd to me, because we have no true clean up hitter. I mean really Martin is seemingly our best option for batting 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
2007-06-05 16:38:52
612.   jasonungar07
I would flip flop Martin and Nomar. Nomar batting 5th or 6th. Even when healthy I think thats the best spot for Nomar.
2007-06-05 16:39:22
613.   blue22
608 - Why would Nomar's stats with no one on matter if he was hitting secon...oh, wait.
2007-06-05 16:40:26
614.   ssjames
For those interested in the low levels of the farm system. Most know that Preston Mattingly got off to a horrid start to the season this year.

In April, his BA/OBP/SLG was:

.224 .242 .310

But the last ten games he has been tearing it up to the tune of:

.450 .500 .800 in 40 ABs

Got to love that turn around. Josh Bell is on a similar tear after a poor start to the season.

2007-06-05 16:42:34
615.   CajunDodger
Noted. Just wondering how to maximize his innate singlezaniness. I guess that would be actually in the 3 or 4-hole, huh?

Note of frustration: I have been a Dodger fan for 5 years now (since I moved here) and we have yet to have an offense that I get excited to watch. We have players that are exciting ('07 Martin, '05 Kent, '06 Furcal) and awesome bullpens, but not a great or even good offense.

With Hunter, Jones, Abreu, Dye, and possibly AROD all FAs, hopefully we can end this.

2007-06-05 16:45:40
616.   trainwreck
I personally prefer seeing low scoring pitching dominated games, so our style of play does not bother me. I just think we should play our best players.
2007-06-05 16:46:43
617.   ssjames
With LaRoche, Loney, Kemp, Abreu, Ethier and Martin all under our control for at least 5 years, including this one, we should have an exciting offense without too many signings or trades sooner rather than later.
2007-06-05 16:47:09
618.   D4P
Just say no to Hunter, Jones, Abreu, and Dye.
2007-06-05 16:48:17
619.   Curtis Lowe
618 - J H A D - JIHAD Coincidence?

I think not.

2007-06-05 16:48:31
620.   bhsportsguy
615 I guess its how you measure offense, last year's team set franchise (L.A.) records in several categories aside from home runs. They hit, hit with runners in scoring position, doubled, walk, left men on base, scored one of their highest total of runs in the 40+ years of being in L.A.

Now, these are not the teams that had 4 guys hit 30 home runs nor is there a player like Pedro Guerrero or Mike Piazza or Raul Mondesi on the team. I think the main thing is that this team generally requires a few guys to be on in order to be productive and very rarely can one player carry the team like the others I mentioned (should also put Sheff, Shawn Green and Beltre, in that category when they were playing well)

2007-06-05 16:48:41
621.   Eric Stephen
596 immediately brought to mind the 1985 season of Tom Herr...8 HR, 110 RBI for the Cards.

I looked up on Baseball Reference for recent 100 RBI, sub-10 HR seasons, and there have only been 3 since 1950:

1996: Paul Molitor (Min) 9-113 (I completely forgot about this year from the HOFer)
1985: Herr
1950: George Kell (Det) 8-101

Dixie Walker had back-to-back such years in 1945-6 for the Dodgers:

1945: 8-124
1946: 9-116

2007-06-05 16:48:46
622.   trainwreck
D4P, how did you like the WEC event?
2007-06-05 16:49:44
623.   Curtis Lowe
618 - Though I think you forgot Ichuro.

Jones, Ichuro, Hunter, Abreu and Dye



I think not.

2007-06-05 16:51:04
624.   thinkblue0
We have players that are exciting ('07 Martin, '05 Kent, '06 Furcal) and awesome bullpens, but not a great or even good offense.

I don't think it's fair to say our offense isn't at least "good". We're pretty solid 1-8. I'd love to nab a nice power hitter to throw in the middle of the order, but we can probably get by with what we have.

The question is, if we go after a power bat who the heck are we gonna go after? Dunn? Dye? Who knows what's even available.

2007-06-05 16:51:17
625.   trainwreck
Things are not looking good for Tsao. He experienced more intense pain trying to just toss the ball around.
2007-06-05 16:51:33
626.   Humma Kavula
If any of your guys are fans of The New Pornographers... a song from their new album is available for free download today at
2007-06-05 16:52:04
627.   CajunDodger
I never got to see Green when he was actually good, and Sheff/Mondesi were playing past my bedtime when I was growing up in Louisiana.
2007-06-05 16:53:56
628.   CajunDodger
Rather than "good" I should have said exciting or fun to watch, though if I am being fair, I would rather see us score 4 and win than 6 and lose.
2007-06-05 16:54:49
629.   blue22
615 - Welcome to the wonderful world of being a Dodger fan. Last year's offense was the best I can recall LA having (going on 20+ years now), so if you're waiting for something better than that you should probably (in the words of a wise man) "pull up a chair and stick around awhile".
2007-06-05 16:56:58
630.   Humma Kavula
624 The Dodgers have scored 254 runs, making them 18th out of 30 teams. That's my evidence when I say:

With good OBP and poor SLG, the Dodgers have an extremely average offense.

2007-06-05 16:57:59
631.   CajunDodger
If I had to choose all over again, I would still rather have the 2 years watching Gagne coming out of the pen than just about anything. Now it's Saito...I guess our type of fun starts with the swinging of a gate in left rather than the tap of a bat on the plate.
2007-06-05 16:58:18
632.   thinkblue0

and we're also what, 57 games in?

I think it's a little early to call this offense "extremely average".

2007-06-05 16:58:20
633.   bhsportsguy
627 That's depressing to me that someone used the term bedtime when talking about seeing Raul Mondesi play for the Dodgers. I don't even want to talk about using it when talking about Sheff's time as a Dodger.

616 Good news, I see that the CSU Fullerton vs. UCLA Super Regional will be on the ESPN properties all weekend (game on Monday if necessary) The first game on Saturday afternoon will be on ESPN and Games 2 and 3 will be on ESPN2 (Sunday/Monday).

2007-06-05 17:01:20
634.   Humma Kavula
632 I chose my hyperbole carefully.
2007-06-05 17:02:04
635.   blue22
632 - That's over a 1/3 of the way through the season, and the best chance for the offense to improve is if a bunch of guys get hurt.

Call it what you want, but "average" seems to be a nice way of putting it.

2007-06-05 17:02:43
636.   CajunDodger
It could work both and actually get worse if we don't start hitting some gaps soon.
2007-06-05 17:06:44
637.   thinkblue0

By having a bunch of guys getting hurt you're assuming that the players brought up will immediately produce. Sure, Loney would be a great bat to have in the lineup...but do we know for sure what we'd get out of Kemp? Will Abreu keep it up? All these guys are question marks....and while I'm no fan of Gonzo and Pierre, it's tough to just assume that the players that replaced them would put up better numbers.

Ned really painted us into a corner with the Pierre and Gonzo signings...but I don't even there's no point in even discussing it because we're stuck with the guy for five years. So if we're talking about simply what we can do at this point, I don't see how the replacements for these guys (if they got hurt) would outproduce what's already there.

2007-06-05 17:08:37
638.   Xeifrank
Looks like we could hit 700 posts before the new Game thread opens. vr, Xei
2007-06-05 17:10:33
639.   silverwidow
617-Martin and Ethier will be "five-plus" players to begin the 2012 season, so they will still be under control.
2007-06-05 17:10:44
640.   jasonungar07
Thankfully I came from a household, mostly due to my mother, that there was no bedtime if the dodgers were still on. Of course I live in LA Area so its much easier.
2007-06-05 17:11:04
641.   Humma Kavula
637 I won't speak for blue22, but he didn't make any assumptions. He said, "the best chance for the offense to improve..."

...chance being the operative word. It would be just that: taking a chance.

Colletti chose to go with a few known mediocrities than take a chance on the young players, who might fail completely, might be mediocre, or might be great.

I believe blue22 was hinting that with the current known mediocrities, there is no chance for improvement and that he would roll the dice on the prospects instead. He likes those odds.

So do I.

2007-06-05 17:11:44
642.   bhsportsguy
637 It seems for now that the Gonzalez signing has been considered to be okay considering that it is for one year, there is no option year in the deal and he does produce especially against lefties.
2007-06-05 17:14:01
643.   thinkblue0
*I believe blue22 was hinting that with the current known mediocrities, there is no chance for improvement and that he would roll the dice on the prospects instead. He likes those odds.

So do I.*

I completely agree...but the problem with that is that it simply won't happen. Is Pierre going to get benched? Nope....The Gonzo signing has really put us in a bind though which gets more and more irritating. That could have gone to either Kemp or Loney and if it didn't work out, then you make a trade for a LF.

I'm just trying to figure out ways to improve this offense realistically. Right now, the only scenario I see is either trading for a third baseman or if Gonzo somehow goes on the DL and we trade for a LF.

2007-06-05 17:16:07
644.   Doctor

It sure looks like Kemp is ready to out produce, well, everyone... but he has been a tricky case. Last years AA/AAA #s were phenomenal, but when he came up that changed in a hurry (after the 7 HRs in June). Near the end it was painful to watch. I suspect that's why management is waiting (maybe too long) to bring him back. Going in to a nasty K-ridden slump a second time might be pretty tough on the kids confidence. I think we need to go for it at some point soon though and give him a shot.

2007-06-05 17:18:29
645.   Curtis Lowe
644 - He seemed to be doing alright this year till you know the whole wall incident.
2007-06-05 17:20:36
646.   Humma Kavula
Fair enough. Pierre isn't going anywhere.

Gonzalez could very well get injured. If he does, I think it's close to 100% that Colletti will call up Kemp and at least give him 40-100 AB to win the job. If Kemp fails, then Colletti will pull the trigger on a trade, but I've got to believe that's Plan B.

Same thing if Nomar gets injured, except it's Loney who'll get called up.

That's why I wonder if all this trade talk is for nothing. What position is open? 3B? Who's available for the price you're willing to pay? LF/1B? Would Colletti really trade Gonzalez/Nomar and block Kemp/Loney some more?

I just don't see a big trade happening. Maybe I'm wrong.

2007-06-05 17:24:20
647.   thinkblue0
absolutely agree. The only way I see a trade happening is if Eithier goes and we make a RF upgrade...but what RF is available? Dye? He's a free agent to be....any other trades will block kemp/loney like you mentioned.

Completely agree with you on the Gonzo thing. I would never wish injury on anyone, but it'd be nice to see Kemp get a shot at LF.

2007-06-05 17:26:42
648.   jasonungar07
Nah, I think your right. 646 My only saving grace for Pierre is maybe the idea that Ned couldn't sit still with Danny Baez. Other than that, no hope. My gosh, 4 more years of closing my eyes when the ball is hit out there and when he is not already on base.
2007-06-05 17:28:38
649.   D4P
D4P, how did you like the WEC event?

It was all right. I've gotten to the point where I'm not all that interested in actually watching the fights: I just want to see who wins. The only bouts I get excited about are those involving my favorites or other big names.

2007-06-05 17:30:00
650.   Humma Kavula
Maybe they can put Gonzalez on the DL with a pulled gennectegazoink. Don't root for him to get hurt... but two weeks to rest up for the second half/see what Kemp can do...
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2007-06-05 17:37:58
651.   trainwreck
Good to hear it will be on TV. I had to watch the game against LBSU on my laptop.
2007-06-05 17:39:41
652.   ssjames
Anyone care to guess which Dodger pitcher currently has the fifth best VORP on the team? Hint, it is simply mind boggling.
2007-06-05 17:40:43
653.   bhsportsguy
652 If you are talking hitting, I think it is Jason Schmidt.
2007-06-05 17:48:08
654.   ssjames
I am talking pitching VORP.
2007-06-05 17:49:45
655.   Humma Kavula
653 I looked it up. It's not Jason Schmidt. As a hitter, Schmidt is the 10th-highest on the team in VORP.

The highest pitcher in VORP (as a hitter) is Brad Penny (7th). Yes, the 7th-most-valuable hitter on the Dodgers is Brad Penny.

2007-06-05 17:51:18
656.   Humma Kavula
Any guesses as to which player has provided the least value to the Dodgers so far this year? Go on, guess.
2007-06-05 17:53:01
657.   bhsportsguy
656 I know its annoying but I am not sure what we gain by continuing to go down this road.
2007-06-05 17:53:21
658.   ssjames
The fifth highest VORP for a pitcher for pitching is Rudy Seanez. He is only behind Penny, Wolf, Lowe and Saito. What kind of world do we live in where Seanez can be better ranked than Bills or Broxton or any one of any real talent?
2007-06-05 17:54:00
659.   bhsportsguy
BTW- Roy Halladay gave up 8 runs and 12 hits in 3+ innings today. He threw over 70 pitches in that short time.
2007-06-05 17:54:45
660.   bhsportsguy
658 Hence the debate between stats and scouts.
2007-06-05 17:55:27
661.   Humma Kavula
657 It's not him. It's Lucille II, by quite a margin.
2007-06-05 17:59:03
662.   trainwreck
It is still early in the season. Plenty of time for Bills and Bull to move up.
2007-06-05 18:07:07
663.   still bevens
659 Good news for the weekend, bad news for my fantasy team.
2007-06-05 18:08:39
664.   Bob Timmermann
The game in Atlanta is no longer interesting.
2007-06-05 18:10:07
665.   trainwreck
Isn't VORP not as good for pitchers anyways?
2007-06-05 18:14:32
666.   bhsportsguy
So Gary Barnett gets beaned and Kelly Stinnet goes from being at home to crouching behind home plate of the defending World Series Champions.
2007-06-05 18:17:29
667.   Jon Weisman
Guess what?

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