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Boo Those Fans
2007-06-09 07:29
by Jon Weisman

Whatever you think of Jonathan Broxton's role in Thursday's defeat - and keep in mind that he essentially got four outs in that ninth inning with three infield grounders and a strikeout - could it really be possible that, as at least two journalists wrote after the game, Broxton was booed last night? The guy has been gold virtually his entire Dodger career, and he was booed.

Even if the boos weren't as strong as the media reports suggested, booing players for inexplicable reasons has become a growing problem at Dodger Stadium. I'm the last guy to advocate unconditional support, but if need be, I'll be the first guy to advocate reducing the hostility. It's just embarrassing.

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2007-06-09 08:09:11
1.   Andrew Shimmin
From the Globe and Mail story about Martin that Eric Enders linked, last night, comes another reminder of why the metric system is to be opposed, by any means necessary: "On Thursday, Martin caught Jonathan Broxton's ninth-inning meltdown as the Dodgers blew a 9-2 lead en route to being swept by the San Diego Padres. . ."

Even if that had happened, it would still have been wrong to boo Broxton. It's another good reason to think about equipping each usher with a cattle prod. My guess, though, is they were booing Grittle's decision to pull Penny, more than Broxton. Though I missed the end of the game, and could be wrong for any number of other reasons.

2007-06-09 08:15:08
2.   Bob Timmermann
9-2 lead?
2007-06-09 08:25:28
3.   neuroboy002
No way, no how JB deserved to be booed. I hope someone who was at the game last night can give a better unbiased assessment as to what they heard when Broxton walked out. ANY team in the league right now would want that guy in their bullpen. He's valuable, regardless of what happened Thursday.
2007-06-09 08:32:11
4.   dwinch
Unreal... I am saddened by the fans reaction. I am really thinking hard about my next visit to the yard...
2007-06-09 08:40:18
5.   Slikk
Why would a few fan's reaction make you hesitate on going to watch a baseball game? That's crazy.

Even though I love Broxton as much as the next guy, I get a little tired of how he continues to be defended about the loss. It's not that big of a deal that he had a bad game (and yes, he DID have a bad game, regardless of the errors). Everyone has bad games. Who cares. Deal with it, and move on.

Last night's win was stellar. Let's keep the momentum up today.

2007-06-09 08:41:55
6.   gpellamjr
4 Don't decide not to go because some fans are stupid. Go and cheer that much louder for the kids.
2007-06-09 08:51:11
7.   Bluebleeder87
No way, no how JB deserved to be booed. I hope someone who was at the game last night can give a better unbiased assessment

there was scattered boos in my section.

2007-06-09 08:53:07
8.   Bluebleeder87
It's just embarrassing.

my brother in law thinks Juan Pierre is a heck of a player.

2007-06-09 09:19:53
9.   LA Native
This booing everyone (especially those undeserving of it) has been a disturbing trend the last 10 years or so at the Ravine. The Dodger fans often really get to me, whether it is leaving before the game is over like last night or just being stupid like booing Broxton. If these trends worsen, it will eventually hurt our ability to attract free agents.
2007-06-09 09:24:48
10.   Jimi Shelter
7. No way, no how JB deserved to be booed. I hope someone who was at the game last night can give a better unbiased assessment.

There were planty of boos where I was sitting in the top deck.

2007-06-09 09:31:11
11.   Jimi Shelter
9. The Dodger fans often really get to me, whether it is leaving before the game is over like last night or just being stupid like booing Broxton. If these trends worsen, it will eventually hurt our ability to attract free agents.

If leaving in the 10th with my dozing wife and son for my 90 minute drive home is going to cost us some productive free agents, I apologize. I can't promise it won't happen again.

The code of the parent trumps the code of of the fan. :-)

2007-06-09 09:34:54
12.   Eric L
The Loose Cannons do a top ten sports stories list everyday on their show. One of the stories was about Broxton blowing the save. Nothing was mentioned about the infield defense in the inning.
2007-06-09 09:34:55
13.   Jimi Shelter
10.

"Planty of boos"? Now that's quite an image. I better poor another cup of coffee!

2007-06-09 09:36:45
14.   NoHoDodger
Booing, embarassing?

Come on, have we really entered into the world of softness and kindness for all at sporting events? Booing has always been the fans perogative. We pay to cheer the good and boo the bad. The booing was more likely the collective disaster that the prior night reeked on the dodger fan's soul. We were not in San Diego, so this was our release. It was a terrible way to lose.

But, Jon is right. Broxton wasn't to blame, rather a weak effort from the right side of the infield. (Not unlike the pop fly that Kent dropped.)

We got it out of our system. So I don't expect any more Broxton booing, barring a future meltdown.

2007-06-09 09:40:08
15.   D4P
I've always been annoyed when Dodger fans boo Shawn Green.
2007-06-09 09:46:46
16.   Jon Weisman
14 - I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying the world has gotten ruder, not softer. If you want a return to the good old days, then you should agree with me. Twenty years ago, Broxton would not have been booed.
2007-06-09 09:48:27
17.   Joshua Worley
I was there, and yes plenty of fans booed. I would guess more than half did. I found it appalling and cheered for Broxton.

I'm also annoyed that Nomar continues to get such a warm reception, such racuous cheers, even slightly more than Russ Martin. I'm not advocating that Nomar be booed. I just wish performance entered into this somewhere, because let's face it, that's what matters. Nomar may be a great guy, but then by that measure why doesn't Gonzalez get the loudest cheers? He is by most accounts an even greater guy and also playing a lot better than Nomar.

2007-06-09 09:50:12
18.   Bob Timmermann
It's hard to say why crowds boo, but it's definitely a herd mentality. It only takes a few well-placed and loud booers to get everyone riled up.
2007-06-09 09:55:15
19.   PlayTwo
If your entire participation is one night, one game, you boo. You're simply ignorant. Or maybe the beer cut-off has to be adjusted.
2007-06-09 09:55:56
20.   regfairfield
17 Two reasons: Nomar is hitting .279 and is on pace for 95 or so RBIs. To the average fan, Nomar is having a great year.

Also, the Dodgers have done their best to establish Nomar as the face of the franchise. You can't boo the face of the franchise.

2007-06-09 10:17:25
21.   D4P
Drew's 2 HRs last night vaulted his SLG to .359
2007-06-09 10:18:13
22.   kngoworld
20 To the average fan, Nomar is having a great year.

Do you think Nomar believes he is having a great year or atleast an above average year?

Would he be satisfied with a 95+ rbi season or do you think he realizes he is falling off in other statistical categories?

2007-06-09 10:27:31
23.   D4P
According to ESPN's splits for #3 hitters, here are Nomar's rankings (the second number is the number of players on the list):

RBIs: 10/40
OBP: 13/15
SLG: 15/15
OPS: 15/15

2007-06-09 10:39:01
24.   neuroboy002
17 Right you are. Garci is more recognizable, the face of the franchise, gets louder cheers when all that should be going to Russell Martin, as young and "inexperienced" as he is.

I was also somewhat surprised when I found that LuGo actually is having a better season than Nomar. Right now, that is until he starts going on a tear and bumps his avergae to above .300 or at least improves his RISP avg, I see Nomar as this brick wall with the name "Loney" written on it.

8 Will your brother-in-law still think he's a heck of a husband if he misses an anniversary or birthday? :o

Broxton shouldn't be coddled because he is young and helped muddle a win (cough, right side of the infield, looking at you), but as I said earlier, any other team would take him off our hands if he is this perceived problem. I hope he is a mainstay.

2007-06-09 10:42:15
25.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.

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