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Lowe Appreciation
2007-06-16 09:45
by Jon Weisman

Derek Lowe, now ninth in the National League in ERA+ according to, has just been a pleasure to watch of late. Is it a case of the Dodgers getting what they paid for, or has be become a bargain?

Since I'm heading out the door, it is for you to decide.

* * *

James Loney is at first base, batting third, according to Inside the Dodgers. Andre Ethier is in right field and Tony Abreu is at second base.

* * *

Today's 12:55 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (314)
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2007-06-16 09:53:11
1.   Bob Timmermann
I call that a bargain.

The best I ever had.

2007-06-16 10:04:19
2.   Marty
I wish it was a night game today. Saturday at the US open is my favorite golf day.
2007-06-16 10:18:33
3.   still bevens
I wish this game was at night too, if only because it might get hot and my seats are bereft of shade. I also have a pretty poor day game record, as the last two day games I attended were opening day and the day we got pwned by Zambrano. Here's to breaking that streak!

I also noticed on ITD that we lead the league in strikeouts. Thats nothing to be ashamed of. Its always nice to see the CP"K" meter on tilt at the stadium.

2007-06-16 10:19:27
4.   Disabled List
No Kemp though. I'm still holding out hope for my 2007 Dodgers dream lineup:


Or Abreu batting 7th in place of Betemit or Kemp.

2007-06-16 10:23:41
5.   Sospiro0
I'd buy that for a dollar.
2007-06-16 10:24:15
6.   Jimi Shelter
I call that a bargain.
The best I ever had.

Yes, but...who's next?

2007-06-16 10:29:49
7.   Marty
Happy birthday to The Bull today. Loney batting third. Which Schmidt will we get?
2007-06-16 10:31:13
8.   Bob Timmermann
From watching a little bit of the US Open, I believe I would need at least 36 golf balls to have a chance of finshing the round.

I believe I could break 165.

2007-06-16 10:47:12
9.   paranoidandroid
No Kemp? I hope to see him in the line-up tomorrow.

Is Martin starting again? I hope he sits. I need to go find the posted line-up somewhere.

2007-06-16 11:03:12
10.   mankatododger
If you're not watching the Cubs/Padres game turn it on, big brawl with Derrick Lee swinging on Chris Young after getting hit.
2007-06-16 11:06:48
11.   silverwidow
9-Weaver is tough on righties, which is why Martin is the only one in there.
2007-06-16 11:07:24
12.   Bob Timmermann
You can only see that on or by living in Chicago.
2007-06-16 11:09:05
13.   silverwidow
12-No, it's on WGN.
2007-06-16 11:09:19
14.   mankatododger
I live in Minnesota and it is on WGN here. Chris Young and Derrick Lee have both been ejected. Don't know who else is gone yet.
2007-06-16 11:09:55
15.   Bluebleeder87

you beat me to it Mankato, it's uncharacteristic of both players to be aggressive like that.

2007-06-16 11:10:24
16.   Bob Timmermann
For most of us that fight can best be described as "On field delay."
2007-06-16 11:11:04
17.   mankatododger
15 That is what the WGN guys are saying. I wish I could read lips to see what they were saying to each other. The umps seemed slow to get between them.
2007-06-16 11:11:38
18.   Bob Timmermann
Some of us don't have WGN on our cable systems. We'll get by.
2007-06-16 11:12:47
19.   Bob Timmermann
Lee and Young are both very tall men. It's probably not often that Lee squares off against a guy FIVE inches taller than him.
2007-06-16 11:13:10
20.   Eric Enders
I wish the game was at night too. Then it would be on TV.
2007-06-16 11:13:11
21.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Any punches landed?
2007-06-16 11:14:03
22.   Bob Timmermann
The Cubs will now have Cesar Izturis in the #3 slot. I assume that DeRosa will go play first.
2007-06-16 11:14:28
23.   mankatododger
21 Just the typical baseball slaps, they both backed up as they threw them. Jake Peavy also ejected, don't know why yet. Waiting for the Cubs ejections in addition to Lee.
2007-06-16 11:19:39
24.   Bob Timmermann
The only other Cub ejected was Gerald Perry. But since he's the hitting coach, that won't make much of a difference.

On Ducksnorts, it was reported that Peavy jumped on someone's back. But they also say Zambrano appeared to take his belt off.

They did not say what he was planning to do and you can leave that to your imagination.

2007-06-16 11:21:35
25.   mankatododger
I haven't seen Peavy jumping on anyone but then the replays have mainly showed the Lee/Young section of it.
2007-06-16 11:25:35
26.   fordprefect
They did not say what he was planning to do and you can leave that to your imagination.
Or was Z looking for Barrett?
2007-06-16 11:29:49
27.   Buffalo Jones
Does anybody know why the Dodger website says the game is on FOX, but my Comcast guide shows the Giants-Red Sox?
2007-06-16 11:30:55
28.   alexx
Some of us don't have cable systems. :(
2007-06-16 11:31:02
29.   Doctor
D Lowe has been absolutely awesome. He also seems like he is getting better and better, he is a bargain. I hope we can extend his contract. Carried us in the second half last year, could easily be 10-4 right now.
When do we get to have Kemp AND Loney start?
2007-06-16 11:32:09
30.   Bluebleeder87
Yeah it was the typical "air blows" type deal. They both backed off after throwing there first air blows specially Derrek Lee there good guys know big deal.
2007-06-16 11:35:21
31.   Bob Timmermann
Where do you live?
The Dodgers-Angels are on Fox, but only in Southern California and Las Vegas. Most people get the Red Sox-Giants game.
2007-06-16 11:37:42
32.   mankatododger
And some of us unlucky souls get Cleveland/Atlanta.
2007-06-16 11:38:54
33.   Buffalo Jones
I live in Spokane, Washington, which would explain it. It seems a little strange though, I know there are way more Dodger fans here than Red Sox or Giants. Oh well.
2007-06-16 11:39:42
34.   Eric Enders
29 "When do we get to have Kemp AND Loney start?"

James Loney has played 53 games in his Dodger career. Matt Kemp has played 64. The only time they have started in the same game was the meaningless 2006 regular season finale.

Over-under on the next time they start together: July 21

(I, alas, will take the over.)

2007-06-16 11:40:45
35.   Dodgers49
Mueller in as Dodgers hitting coach

>>> As for possible concerns with Murray being unapproachable, no one was saying as much.

"I had an open door with him," Matt Kemp said. "Our communication was good. He helped me a lot mentally and with my swing. I still had to go out there and hit, that's my job. Eddie didn't hit for me."

But doing and teaching are two different things, and Murray clearly wasn't able to communicate what made him a successful hitter

Recently, Wilson Betemit and Rafael Furcal credited coach Manny Mota with helping them at the plate. >> with Murray gone, Mota is back on the travel roster. But, Mota won't be allowed to sit in the dugout on road trips. <<<

2007-06-16 11:44:54
36.   MC Safety
if you looked closely though derek lee's last hit grazed chris youngs jaw. nothing that would have broken it, but it definitely landed. young didnt land any. lou pinella did his best jeff van gundy impersonation, and ran out only to get knocked over in a classic domino rally fashion. that was actually one of the better bench clearing fiasco's ive seen lately.
2007-06-16 11:45:27
37.   Bluebleeder87
It's an "interesting" game in Chicago by the way.
2007-06-16 11:46:34
38.   Bob Timmermann
How legitimate have the Cubs two errors been?
2007-06-16 11:49:08
39.   Bluebleeder87
but did you notice Derrek Lee run towards Pinella (Pinella's back) instead of around him. i'm thinking Lee didn't wanna throw any more punches sow he pretended Pinella was holding him back. it's pretty fun actually
2007-06-16 11:51:03
40.   mankatododger
38 I don't see any question about the errors. The scorer doesn't seem to be trying to keep things interesting yet.
2007-06-16 11:51:34
41.   alexx
38 Both errors allowed the runners to get to second on what I am assuming were ground balls so I would guess they're legitimate.
2007-06-16 11:53:53
42.   trainwreck
Kobe, why must you do this to me? It is time to hope for another Cedric Ceballos that can save us from the dark future ahead.
2007-06-16 11:55:46
43.   MC Safety
38- two two base errors, i saw the one theriot commited, it was a hard hit ball by bocachica.
2007-06-16 11:56:55
44.   MC Safety
42- what happened now?
2007-06-16 11:57:16
45.   mankatododger
Zambrano just did his best to keep it interesting with a nice bare handed pick up and throw.
2007-06-16 11:58:06
46.   Bluebleeder87
WOW, Zambrano made a high lite play right now. awesome play.
2007-06-16 11:59:45
47.   Bluebleeder87
that play from Zambrano was ESPN web gem worthy. It's a really good game.
2007-06-16 12:00:04
48.   trainwreck
Kobe wants to be traded no matter what now.
2007-06-16 12:00:30
49.   Eric Enders
So anyone with complete knowledge of the blackout rules, riddle me this: I click on the link for the SD-CHI game, and it tells me I am blacked out from watching that game. I live nowhere near either the SD or CHI blackout territories. Therefore, my conclusion is that the game must be blacked for all viewers nationwide. But if that's the case, why have a the webcast link in the first place if nobody can use it?
2007-06-16 12:01:54
50.   Eric Enders
You know, I don't even live in L.A. and even I'm sick and tired of hearing about Kobe Friggin' Bryant all the time. I can only imagine what it must be like for you folks who actually live there.
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2007-06-16 12:02:37
51.   MC Safety
44- wow.... so is this the third flip flop? the nba is so hard to watch nowadays....go clippers.
2007-06-16 12:04:01
52.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps MLB.TV thinks you live in Southern Arizona and live in Padres blackout territory.

Maybe the entire state of New Mexico disappeared.

Have you checked recently to see if it was there?

2007-06-16 12:06:27
53.   Bluebleeder87
I was telling TC yesterday instead of playing "sweety Carolina" the Dodgers should play that song they play on KFWB right before the game is gonna start. The name of the song escapes me right know but i think that would be a perfect song to play in the 8th inning.
2007-06-16 12:06:52
54.   BruceR
8 Geez, Bob. You should so be IN the open. Those guys will probably be shooting 290+. ;)
2007-06-16 12:07:10
55.   Eric Enders
52 Hmm, let me go out in the back yard and look...

Yep, it's still there.

2007-06-16 12:07:34
56.   Bob Timmermann
"It's a Beautiful Day for a Ballgame" by the Harry Simeone Singers.
2007-06-16 12:09:46
57.   Bob Timmermann
You live that close to the state border?
2007-06-16 12:11:12
58.   Bluebleeder87
i've always found Julia Louis Dreyfus extremely beautiful even though i rarely watched Seinfeld, she sang the 7th inning stretch today in Chicago.
2007-06-16 12:11:55
59.   Eric Enders
57 Not that close, but from my house I can see certain mountaintops in both New and Old Mexico.
2007-06-16 12:12:47
60.   Eric Enders
Dear Cubs,
Please score a run already. Thank you.
2007-06-16 12:13:37
61.   Bluebleeder87

what do you think Bob? it beats copying another team that's for sure.

2007-06-16 12:15:51
62.   mankatododger
No longer interesting in Chicago.
2007-06-16 12:17:31
63.   Bob Timmermann
And by Marcus Giles, my least favorite Padre. But I have a good reason for disliking him.

I don't like his face.

I think that's perfectly reasonable and fair and it's true to the values that America was built on.

2007-06-16 12:17:47
64.   MC Safety
the padres are really looking weak today.
2007-06-16 12:18:32
65.   Bluebleeder87
The Pads just got there first hit. It was a poorly hit ball up the middle, Zambrano wanted to make the play him self so it cost him.
2007-06-16 12:20:06
66.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres lineup today is evocative of the one the Angels sent out in Eric Milton's no-hitter.
2007-06-16 12:22:20
67.   Bluebleeder87
And by Marcus Giles, my least favorite Padre. But I have a good reason for disliking him.

I don't like his face.

sounds like a well grounded reason. :o)

2007-06-16 12:25:40
68.   Bob Timmermann
UC Irvine has tied ASU in the 4th at 3-3.

I like UCI's jerseys which read "Eaters" in script on the front.

And while Cal opts for caps with a "C" and UCLA uses caps with a "B", UCI has an interlocked UC on theirs.

And it's 4-3 Anteaters now.

2007-06-16 12:25:53
69.   paranoidandroid
The Giles ball hit down the right field line could have been called a hit. He also walked five guys. Not a gem, the Pads line-up looks weak.

Now let Big Z win the game himself with a hit in the 8th.

2007-06-16 12:27:41
70.   DXMachina
36 lou pinella did his best jeff van gundy impersonation, and ran out only to get knocked over in a classic domino rally fashion.

Of course back in 1978, it was Sweet Lou sliding hard into Carlton Fisk at the plate that touched off perhaps the all-time greatest Yankee-Red Sox brawl.

2007-06-16 12:28:20
71.   Bob Timmermann
Oh, it's an interlocked UCI on the caps for Irvine.

The ESPN announcers don't know why the fans chant "Zot!"


2007-06-16 12:29:09
72.   Bluebleeder87
i really think that if Schmidt has an outing like last time it will spell bad news for him. Hopefully they'll give Bills the ball every 5th day if Schmidt falters
2007-06-16 12:29:35
73.   MC Safety
66- definitely, the list of no hitters in the last 15- 20 years, as far as I can go back, is pretty interesting. didnt kenny rogers no hit them as well? or am i losing it...let me check that.
2007-06-16 12:30:23
74.   Frip

Are you sure you don't mean Brian Giles? Marcus has a fairly standard jock face. But Brian has that unbearable eager-beaver-wide-eyed-wonderboy look.

2007-06-16 12:31:09
75.   MC Safety
branyan just went yard.
2007-06-16 12:31:44
76.   Eric Enders
Well, that sucked.
2007-06-16 12:31:45
77.   Bluebleeder87
1 out 9th inning homerun by Russell Branon (sp) 1-0 Pads.
2007-06-16 12:32:18
78.   Bob Timmermann
Kenny Rogers threw a perfect game against the Angels. But they had a better lineup in that one.

No, I specifically dislike Marcus Giles's face. Like many of my dislikes its pretty much irrational.

2007-06-16 12:32:20
79.   MC Safety
70- that was possibly the brawl of all brawls.
2007-06-16 12:33:23
80.   Bob Timmermann
But the Cubs will have the top of the order up in the 9th.

Izturis (d'oh!)

2007-06-16 12:34:19
81.   Eric Enders
Now it's raining at Wrigley. Let's hope the downpour comes hard and fast.
2007-06-16 12:34:52
82.   Bob Timmermann
Big fan of the suspended game, eh?
2007-06-16 12:39:08
83.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres could win their second game of the year in which they got only two hits.
2007-06-16 12:41:41
84.   Bluebleeder87
that's all she wrote the Pads win 1-0 & Hoffman gets the save.
2007-06-16 12:42:02
85.   Bob Timmermann
Actually it is the THIRD game this season the Padres have won with just two hits.
2007-06-16 12:45:02
86.   MC Safety
78- thats right he hurled a perfect game.
2007-06-16 12:51:43
87.   Hallux Valgus
grr, who's responsible for the Dodgers game being scheduled opposite the Gold Cup. Unacceptable.
2007-06-16 12:51:52
88.   Rob M
Tiger's on his game today.
2007-06-16 12:55:11
89.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Never thought I'd say this, but I sure wish we had signed Gary Matthews.
2007-06-16 12:57:53
90.   Who Is Karim Garcia
OrCa is hot this year.
2007-06-16 12:58:42
91.   Dodgers49
Grady has said that all the kids that were recently called up will get playing time. This brings up an interesting situation. If Betemit continues to hit and Abreu remains on the team then Kent's 550 PAs could be in jeopardy.
2007-06-16 12:59:01
92.   alexx
Schmidt sitting at 84 so far.
2007-06-16 12:59:47
93.   Doctor
"fastballs" in the low to mid 80s.
2007-06-16 13:01:31
94.   Who Is Karim Garcia
88 mph heat!
2007-06-16 13:02:06
95.   alexx
Dialed that one up to 87 to strike out Matthews.
2007-06-16 13:02:37
96.   Doctor
Made it through the 1st, but with that nasty 81-82mph change a 85 mph fastball really wont get it done. Might be a long afternoon.
2007-06-16 13:02:51
97.   Bluebleeder87
nice inning by Schmidt he's throwing a bit harder this time around (87-88 mph so far) very encouraging
2007-06-16 13:04:03
98.   Bluebleeder87

are you watching the MLB.TV feed? cause FOX says he's throwing 87-88.

2007-06-16 13:07:52
99.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm watching Fox. And yeah, I've seen them as high as 88mph.

Ba-Loney. Too high!

2007-06-16 13:07:58
100.   Doctor

Ah, yes- well that is better for sure. Maybe it will pick up!

Stupid Fox Saturday game blocks all other broadcasts.

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2007-06-16 13:08:58
101.   Bob Timmermann
Low hit game winners trivia:

2007-06-16 13:10:32
102.   Gen3Blue
Yes its another Fox Dodgerless Saturday back east. So its gameday and the Giants/Red Sox on the adjacent tube.
2007-06-16 13:10:58
103.   alexx
98 Hmm I am watching fox but I was looking at the gameday numbers. For the first couple of batters he didn't reach above 85.
2007-06-16 13:12:16
104.   Gen3Blue
Damn--Cain looks fairly able.
2007-06-16 13:12:35
105.   Bluebleeder87
i'm wondering of the 84mph balls he's throwing are off speed pitches? if there fastball that's pretty scary.
2007-06-16 13:12:57
106.   Bob Timmermann
The Fox gun hiccuped and had Schmidt throwing 102 mph on a curve in the dirt.
2007-06-16 13:13:41
107.   Doctor

Same program in SF... oh well, at least we get Barry's ugly mug in HD.

2007-06-16 13:14:42
108.   alexx
Something about Schmidt's mechanics looks strange to me. Like he's not flexible enough to make a pitch. I guess his windup always sort of looked like that, though.
2007-06-16 13:20:50
109.   Doctor
Move the runner Russ
2007-06-16 13:21:15
110.   Bob Timmermann
The CF camera from Fox is making me seasick.
2007-06-16 13:29:56
111.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers pitchers keep their 46-year streak of not hitting a grand slam alive.
2007-06-16 13:30:08
112.   Bluebleeder87

it was making me feel like i was drunk, but i don't drink anymore.

2007-06-16 13:32:55
113.   Bob Timmermann
I have the feeling that most of the LA locals here are at the game and our out-of-towners are forced to watch other games.
2007-06-16 13:35:20
114.   Bob Timmermann
Since no one else is around to say it, but I don't think Nomar would have made the throw to second.

But that's because Loney had an easier throw being left-handed.

2007-06-16 13:38:46
115.   Gen3Blue
From Gamedays fancy pitch analysis it looks like Schmidts location has been excellent, but nothing else is.
2007-06-16 13:39:44
116.   Bob Timmermann
The last pitch's location by Schmidt was about at the cutout of the grass.
2007-06-16 13:39:49
117.   Vishal
for some reason the dodger game is blacked out for me. i'm in new york. what the deuce is up with that?
2007-06-16 13:40:54
118.   Andrew Shimmin
Somebody send Mathews a fruit basket.
2007-06-16 13:41:10
119.   Bob Timmermann
Fox has an exclusive window now. You can listen if you want on Gameday.

Michael Milken handled the play-by-play the last inning.

2007-06-16 13:42:16
120.   Doctor
Somebody = Jaun Pierre
2007-06-16 13:42:34
121.   Zach
Video is blacked out because apparently it's on national TV of some sorts. Audio is not blacked out, although Charly Steiner is having his usual technical difficulties in providing basic descriptions of events on the field as they unfold. I almost prefer just watching GameDay than listening to him bungle calls.
2007-06-16 13:42:39
122.   Andrew Shimmin
You'll probably want to include both the Ts in Matthews, though, in the shipping instructions.
2007-06-16 13:42:47
123.   Michael D
We definitely got a gift out of Mathews there. It's time to get some runs.
2007-06-16 13:43:29
124.   Bob Timmermann
But the HOF Braves third baseman was Eddie Mathews.
2007-06-16 13:43:40
125.   mankatododger
I'm listening to Steiner on XM. I can't go outside because very large mosquitos will eat me.
2007-06-16 13:44:37
126.   Blue in Beantown
Sounds like there are a lot of expat LA folk on DT today. Does anybody know of any radio stations that broadcast Dodger games and stream on the Internet?
2007-06-16 13:45:37
127.   Bob Timmermann
126 owns all the rights to internet broadcasts of major league games.
2007-06-16 13:46:41
128.   Rob M
That last stat confirmed my lingering suspicion that we run a bit too much.
2007-06-16 13:46:52
129.   Jimi Shelter
I love the way they play that James Gang song for Loney's at bats.
2007-06-16 13:47:42
130.   Blue in Beantown
Bummer. FWIW, Laker games are available at and Cal Football at
2007-06-16 13:49:39
131.   Daniel Zappala
We're also getting Red Sox vs Giants even though we're geographically closer to LA. Here I use LA in the general sense of the greater LA area, the same as Arturo Moreno. :-)
2007-06-16 13:50:33
132.   Frip
This tv color guy really doesn't know the LA scene.
2007-06-16 13:51:03
133.   Bob Timmermann
You need to drive to Las Vegas.
2007-06-16 13:51:56
134.   Bob Timmermann
It's Joe Girardi.
2007-06-16 13:52:49
135.   scareduck
132 - I noticed.
2007-06-16 13:58:01
136.   scareduck
Wow, he barely got that out. Thank you, James Loney.
2007-06-16 13:58:08
137.   Bob Timmermann
Both pitchers getting bailed out by their opposite numbers not running very fast.
2007-06-16 13:58:13
138.   Andrew Shimmin
Consecutive rallies killed by pitchers dogging it up the line.
2007-06-16 13:58:26
139.   Bluebleeder87
who in the world was working that camera, what a lousy job they did. on the last out by Betemit.
2007-06-16 13:58:35
140.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose
there is no way the value of stealing 3rd base with two outs is worth being caught . .
2007-06-16 13:58:58
141.   ToyCannon
No comments on the awesome Biemel lineup introduction:
"Crazy Eyes" Loney
"Boom Boom Boom" Betemit
"Smallest head biggest heart" Pierre
"Smacktalk" Furcal
"Whitest Teeth in baseball" Gonzo
"Don't call me Bobby" Abreu
"Charlie Brown" Schmidt

Has anyone else ever seen Boom Boom outside of DT?

2007-06-16 14:00:51
142.   scareduck
138 - have you seen Weaver run before?
2007-06-16 14:02:25
143.   Andrew Shimmin
142- I don't remember having. You're saying he's really that slow, even at full tilt?
2007-06-16 14:02:43
144.   scareduck
143 - not particularly fast.
2007-06-16 14:02:52
145.   Bob Timmermann
I think Schmidt and Weaver both aren't very fast as they're both big guys who don't get paid to bust it up the line. Ulimately, I think the Angels would rather not have Weaver mess up his back just to get one infield hit.
2007-06-16 14:03:51
146.   overkill94
141 Unfortunately, for some reason the Giants game is on in Visalia even though we're a good 50 miles closer to Los Angeles. I guess the problem is that the TV station is out of Fresno, which is the site of the Giants' AAA team.
2007-06-16 14:04:29
147.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Vasgersian has misused "ironically" so many times that he is going to have a Denver boot placed on his mouth by the Irony Police.
2007-06-16 14:05:17
148.   scareduck
Weaver losing his command this frame.

Losing? He's been wobbly all year.

2007-06-16 14:05:55
149.   overkill94
While I realize it's borderline heresy around here, Martin's numbers have really come back down to earth. Coming into today he's at .288/.354/.451, putting him behind Betemit in the OPS race.
2007-06-16 14:07:35
150.   ToyCannon
Happens every time we start an all-star campaign.
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2007-06-16 14:08:07
151.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 149

Still excellent for a catcher, although yes, perhaps more mortal than golden god right now. I expect Martin will get another hot streak going soon.


2007-06-16 14:08:49
152.   ToyCannon
Now that Gonzo is my favorite Dodger I expect him to tank any day now.
2007-06-16 14:10:34
153.   Gen3Blue
I've been forced to study a lot of the gameday stuff, and I'm clumsy switching back and forth from GD to DT. So my apologies if this stuff has been covered.

It seems Gameday has a very "slow" gun. this kind of explains many things.

Looks like a "Manny bomb".

2007-06-16 14:11:14
154.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
When Gonzo cools off, I expect Nomar will heat up. I think I'm the last person confident in Nomar's production coming back.


2007-06-16 14:11:36
155.   Bob Timmermann
Two outs in the top of the 9th. ASU leads UCI 5-4 with a runner on 2nd.
2007-06-16 14:11:53
156.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
According to Gameday, Abreu ruined a good AB by swing at a pitch way off the plate.


2007-06-16 14:13:34
157.   Gen3Blue
As to both pitchers being slow down the line, t6he gameday gun has them both very slow across the plate.
2007-06-16 14:14:04
158.   Bluebleeder87
Wow, Matthew Jr. looks like he knows what he's knowing out there.
2007-06-16 14:14:06
159.   Bob Timmermann
Sun Devils win 5-4. UCI becomes the 8th straight team to lose in its first appearance in the CWS.
2007-06-16 14:14:58
160.   scareduck
158 - ??
2007-06-16 14:15:40
161.   Bluebleeder87

nah, i'm right there with you WWSH. Ever the optomistic we are.

2007-06-16 14:16:00
162.   Doctor
Ethier is becoming an out machine.
2007-06-16 14:17:08
163.   Mark Joseph

This is definitely something I should know, but don't. Who was the Dodger pitcher who grannied in 1961?

2007-06-16 14:17:24
164.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Was Matthews really at the wall for Ethier's flyball. That's what gameday indicates.


2007-06-16 14:18:16
165.   Bob Timmermann
Don Drysdale at the Coliseum against Don Nottebart of the Braves.
2007-06-16 14:18:54
166.   Bob Timmermann
A few steps short of the wall, but Matthews had it all the way.
2007-06-16 14:19:16
167.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 161

Yep--I also just like Nomar as a player. Always have, even the weird and more elaborate AB routine he had at Boston.


2007-06-16 14:19:39
168.   BruceR
111 Following up on 163...what is the same streak for other teams ?
2007-06-16 14:20:30
169.   overkill94
164 Steiner was giving his usual "boy who cried home run" call though.
2007-06-16 14:20:39
170.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
What's the Fox gun showing on Schmidt's velocity?


2007-06-16 14:21:54
171.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 166

Thanks Bob. Well, since it's a day game, we can't fantasize about it going out, if only it had been a day game.


2007-06-16 14:23:54
172.   Lexinthedena
Schmidt is getting by on intelligence at this point, cause his stuff isn't much....
2007-06-16 14:24:02
173.   Bob Timmermann
The last pitcher to hit a grand slam was Dontrelle Willis last year on July 7.
2007-06-16 14:25:21
174.   Andrew Shimmin
170- Mid 80s fastball. Low 80s change.
2007-06-16 14:25:23
175.   scareduck
The anti-Loney walks.
2007-06-16 14:25:29
176.   Doctor
I know Jason Schmidt, this is no Jason Schmidt.
2007-06-16 14:25:30
177.   Bluebleeder87

i meant Matthew Jr. knows what he's doing out there. i was watching the t.v. instead of the screen while i typed that.

2007-06-16 14:26:37
178.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 174

Groan Well, Bills looks ready to go, at least.


2007-06-16 14:27:52
179.   Bob Timmermann
Denny Neagle hit two grand slams in his career.
2007-06-16 14:28:16
180.   Lexinthedena
I'm surprised it took them this long...
2007-06-16 14:29:11
181.   Frip
169 Yea, Steiner doesn't have the best eyes for the long ball. But he's got to be the best when actual hysteria is called for. I have a can opener that when you pop a cap it plays his 4 home run call from last year. You can get it at Target.
2007-06-16 14:29:35
182.   scareduck
Note for future reference: Reggie Willits' out pitch is NOT belt high, middle of the plate.
2007-06-16 14:30:44
183.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Gameday's stuck for me. I'm dreading what I'll see when it comes unstuck.


2007-06-16 14:30:53
184.   D4P
Gameday is stuck on Willits's second pitch. What happened?
2007-06-16 14:31:39
185.   Rob M
2 run single to right.
2007-06-16 14:31:45
186.   Bluebleeder87
will Schmidt get the ball next time it's his turn?
2007-06-16 14:32:00
187.   Bob Timmermann
The last AL pitcher to hit a grand slam was Steve Dunning of Cleveland in 1971 off of Diego Segui of Oakland.
2007-06-16 14:32:02
188.   Rob M
Why was Furcal covering?
2007-06-16 14:32:06
189.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
They going to the pen now?


2007-06-16 14:33:02
190.   Andrew Shimmin
Seanez is in. Score's 3-0, now.
2007-06-16 14:33:16
191.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 186

I hope not. I don't want another repeat of what happened in Nomo's last year.


2007-06-16 14:33:17
192.   Rob M
Seanez in. Just gave an RBI ground single through the vacant ss hole on a hit and run.
2007-06-16 14:34:43
193.   D4P
Tiger is now tied for the lead.
2007-06-16 14:35:07
194.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
CBSSportsline's gametracker is also down. Must be some technical problem.


2007-06-16 14:35:26
195.   trainwreck
Gameday is so slow.
2007-06-16 14:35:32
196.   MMSMikey
they should have kept schmidt out till after the all star break
2007-06-16 14:36:22
197.   Andrew Shimmin
Seanez gets a questionable strike three call to end the inning. Could have been worse.
2007-06-16 14:36:30
198.   scareduck
195 - the stringer is sipping a Corona with a nice lime. Tasty lime!
2007-06-16 14:37:34
199.   Bob Timmermann
The Gameday stringer thought to himself: "When Howie Kendrick faces Rudy Seanez, the best thing I can do is just shut up and let the crowd tell the story."
2007-06-16 14:39:31
200.   D4P
This is the longest Gameday delay I've ever seen. It's also one of the few I've seen for a non-unusual play.
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2007-06-16 14:39:32
201.   trainwreck
My Gameday still has it at 0-0 with Willits up.
2007-06-16 14:39:48
202.   scareduck
Leave it to Weaver. 3-0 to Nomar.
2007-06-16 14:41:20
203.   MMSMikey
he doesnt come close on the 1st 3 pitches and then them ump gives him 2 borderline strikes.
2007-06-16 14:41:40
204.   scareduck
197 - didn't matter as Napoli's bat crossed the plate. It could have been three feet outside.
2007-06-16 14:42:13
205.   scareduck
203 - I thought those last two were strikes.
2007-06-16 14:42:29
206.   Frip

Corona? He'd be better off with a Modelo Especial or Negro Modelo. Better ingredients and no skunky off tastes typical of Mexican beers. He would't even need a lime.

2007-06-16 14:42:35
207.   Daniel Zappala
I unstuck Gameday by clicking on a previous batter and then clicking "Go to Live".
2007-06-16 14:43:21
208.   Bluebleeder87

& leave it to Nomar to mess it up.

how many walks does he have this year?

2007-06-16 14:43:53
209.   Daniel Zappala
The unwalkable batter will be walked by the wild pitcher every time.
2007-06-16 14:45:22
210.   MMSMikey
nomar grounding weakly to 3rd is turning into shawn green grounding out to 2nd.
2007-06-16 14:47:02
211.   Bluebleeder87
Weaver is lucky Loney didn't hit that pitch to the right field bleachers.
2007-06-16 14:47:14
212.   Rob M
Yeah, lefties love the ball 2" off the ground and 4" inside. That was a HUGE mistake from Weaver.

What is this fool talking about?

2007-06-16 14:47:45
213.   Rob M
I was talking about the announcer, not Bluebleeder for the record.
2007-06-16 14:47:52
214.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Yahoo Gamechannel is up to date on this inning - but still has the score at 0-0.
2007-06-16 14:49:52
215.   Bluebleeder87

understood Rob. :o)

2007-06-16 14:50:22
216.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Who's coming in to pitch for the Dodgers in the 6th?
2007-06-16 14:50:56
217.   Bob Timmermann
Billingsley is warming up.
2007-06-16 14:51:09
218.   Andrew Shimmin
Are breaking balls hanged, or hung?
2007-06-16 14:51:13
219.   MMSMikey
2007-06-16 14:51:45
220.   MMSMikey
go figure
2007-06-16 14:52:10
221.   gpellamjr
218 Hung, no question.

When I listen to Steiner and Monday, I feel I have no idea what's going on in the game. Dr. Laura would tell me to ask what is wrong with me that I am not able to understand what's going on.

2007-06-16 14:53:14
222.   Bob Timmermann
The past tense of "hang" is "hung" unless you are referring to receiving the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

That's what my style guide tells me.

2007-06-16 14:53:20
223.   MMSMikey
once the angels bullpen gets a hold of this game, with a 3 run lead. game over.
2007-06-16 14:53:27
224.   Bluebleeder87
nice pitch by Weaver? i don't think so, i think it was more that Gonzalez was caught guessing there. He guessed the wrong pitch.
2007-06-16 14:54:55
225.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I haven't figured out Grady's usage pattern for Billz. Chad seems to pitch quite a bit in low-leverage situations, but not blowouts. This scenario - 6th inning, down by 3 - seems fairly typical. But why go to Seanez to stop the bleeding in the 5th?
2007-06-16 14:55:24
226.   Bluebleeder87

yup, golden opportunity wasted by the Dodgers.

2007-06-16 14:55:33
227.   scareduck
221 - Monday especially, who NEVER GIVES THE SCORE. Steiner, I'm growing to detest less.
2007-06-16 14:56:03
228.   Bob Timmermann
I think Seanez warms up faster and is better for situations with runners on base because he won't come out walking the house.
2007-06-16 14:56:29
229.   scareduck
224 - I thought it was a good fastball that started just inside and rolled into the zone late.
2007-06-16 14:57:30
230.   Bluebleeder87

or maybe i'm just being biased & don't wanna give credit were credit is do.

2007-06-16 14:57:50
231.   MMSMikey

it was a straight hanging changeup

2007-06-16 14:58:32
232.   Frip

Beimel's "Crazy Eyes Loney" was the best. Loney has one of those old-time cartoon faces.

I wonder what nickname Beimel would give for himself.

"Can't Bring Home to Mama" Beimel
"Jiffy Lube" Beimel
"Boozin" Beimel
"Scum of the Earth" Beimel
"Molly Hatchet Roadie" Beimel
"You Have the Right to Remain Silent" Beimel
"Touch My Sister and I'll Kill You" Beimel

2007-06-16 14:58:53
233.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't throwing a pitch over the plate that the batter is not expecting a good pitch? The result is the important thing.
2007-06-16 14:59:52
234.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
In 17 innings spanning 11 (now 12) appearances since May 8, Chad has walked two batters.
2007-06-16 15:00:06
235.   MMSMikey
some bad at bats by furcal today.
2007-06-16 15:01:10
236.   Andrew Shimmin
I thought it might be idiomatic. I don't remember ever hearing hanged, before, but who can imagine a world where Fox play by play guys cannot be assumed to be of perfect erudition and possessed of a fastidiously correct grasp of their mother tongue?
2007-06-16 15:01:10
237.   Bluebleeder87

that's what i thought also, it didn't look fast enough to be a fastball.

2007-06-16 15:01:31
238.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
234 - With 22 strikeouts.
2007-06-16 15:02:24
239.   MMSMikey
martin has been fouling off a lot of pitches he usually hits of late.
2007-06-16 15:02:32
240.   Gen3Blue
What I've taken away from gameday, if it has any meaning at all, is that Schmidt is pitching roughly as hard as Weaver and Billingsley, although maybe with slightly less variation in velocity.

It seemed pretty obvious he was going to hit trouble, and I figured if it meant less than 4 runs, it would be a bargain.

2007-06-16 15:02:57
241.   Gen3Blue
Back to gameday!
2007-06-16 15:04:01
242.   scareduck
237 - I didn't see the gun.
2007-06-16 15:04:06
243.   Andrew Shimmin
Good thing Scioscia let Weaver hit last inning.
2007-06-16 15:05:12
244.   Doctor
Dodger offense is about the same on live TV as frozen GameDay. Actually there is a little more commotion, but same result.
2007-06-16 15:05:57
245.   scareduck
243 - you stay with what works. Weaver's season average is now .250.
2007-06-16 15:07:11
246.   Bluebleeder87

i'll just say Weaver got a way with one & Gonzalez is a domie for not pulling the trigger on a borderline pitch with a full count.

2007-06-16 15:07:57
247.   scareduck
246 - "domie"? Has Gonzo shaved his head?
2007-06-16 15:09:30
248.   BruceR
Bob, thanks for all the pitchers' GS research & info!
2007-06-16 15:09:58
249.   Bluebleeder87


2007-06-16 15:10:10
250.   Bob Timmermann
If Scot Shields pitches a scoreless inning today, he will become the Angels alltime ERA leader for pitchers with a minimum of 500 IP.

Right now Andy Messersmith leads 2.776 to 2.778.

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2007-06-16 15:10:22
251.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
According to Gameday, Weaver declines to throw a pitch to Betemit.
2007-06-16 15:11:57
252.   The Rabbits Rarely Loose

I think the Gonzo strikeout pitch would go along with the old saying . . "it will look like a line drive in the box score" . . it just depends how you want to look at it . . he got good results but, it wasnt a good pitch . .

2007-06-16 15:12:28
253.   Bob Timmermann
You're welcome. Pitcher GS are pretty rare events and they are not distributed well. The Cardinals and Phillies have a bunch.

I believe the only NL team without one is Arizona.

2007-06-16 15:15:01
254.   Bluebleeder87
2007-06-16 15:15:03
255.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Can someone provide an update? Last play on Gameday was Martin's out.
2007-06-16 15:16:17
256.   Bob Timmermann
Aaron Baddeley now with a 2-stroke lead in the US Open.
2007-06-16 15:17:06
257.   Bluebleeder87
It didn't look that bad, but i guess it was, sorry about the bad joke.
2007-06-16 15:17:31
258.   Bob Timmermann
Quinlan is probably wishing he had a double-flap helmet now.
2007-06-16 15:18:48
259.   Daniel Zappala
Injury to Kotchman? What happened?
2007-06-16 15:19:43
260.   Andrew Shimmin
259- Martin tried to pick him off, after a pitch; the throw hit him in the head. Quinlan replaced him.
2007-06-16 15:19:44
261.   overkill94
234 Nice jinx on the Billingsley walk total there, buddy ;)
2007-06-16 15:20:24
262.   Bob Timmermann
Martin tried to pick Kotchman off second and the throw hit him right on the helmet. So he essentially was beaned with an 85 mph fastball.
2007-06-16 15:21:09
263.   Bluebleeder87
Willits has played really well for the Angels. Another key hit for him today.
2007-06-16 15:21:51
264.   MMSMikey
it just kills me that it was a broken bat single off the end of the bat with 2 outs
2007-06-16 15:22:12
265.   Daniel Zappala
In the minors Kotchman got injured several times, at least once on a HBP I think, while in the minors. Then mono had him out all last year. This guy needs some good luck for once.
2007-06-16 15:22:53
266.   Bluebleeder87

that just proved Russell has a canon arm. wow.

2007-06-16 15:23:00
267.   scareduck
265 - I have a feeling he might miss tomorrow's game, but he'll be back and fine.
2007-06-16 15:23:50
268.   Bob Timmermann
The speedy Ethier?
2007-06-16 15:26:21
269.   Bob Timmermann
Scot Shields, your destiny awaits, time to take over the Angels career ERA lead. He will pass Messersmith with just one batter retired without a run scoring.
2007-06-16 15:29:50
270.   MMSMikey
ball 4.
2007-06-16 15:30:06
271.   Andrew Shimmin
269- Scareduck and Zappala have infected Bob with their dual loyalties. They must be stopped before they claim another victim!
2007-06-16 15:30:38
272.   Bob Timmermann
Scot Shields, the new Angels alltime ERA leader (min. 500 IP).

If you bump the threshold up to 1000 IP, it would be Dean Chance.

2007-06-16 15:30:55
273.   scareduck
271 - We're coming for you next, Andrew.
2007-06-16 15:31:11
274.   MMSMikey
furcal is just having a day.
2007-06-16 15:32:20
275.   Bob Timmermann
8th place on the Angels alltime ERA list (min. 500 IP) is the immortal Paul Hartzell.
2007-06-16 15:34:07
276.   scareduck
One heck of a play.
2007-06-16 15:34:30
277.   Gen3Blue
If the relative values of Gameday mean anything, this shields throws HARD.
2007-06-16 15:35:14
278.   scareduck
275 - not to be sniffed at; he was part of the deal that sent Rod Carew to the Angels.
2007-06-16 15:35:37
279.   scareduck
277 - low 90's heat.
2007-06-16 15:35:51
280.   Gen3Blue
BeiMel for a righty?
2007-06-16 15:36:26
281.   overkill94
Man, our June OPSes are putrid. Going into today:

Furcal - .657
Pierre - .653
Nomar - .466
Kent - .615
Gonzo - .865 (super-steady all year)
Martin - .615
Abreu - .753
Ethier - .661
Betemit - 1.167 (only 18 at-bats)
Kemp - 1.147 (17 at-bats)
Loney - 1.200 (10 at-bats)

2007-06-16 15:37:40
282.   Bob Timmermann
Hartzell was pitching in the original configuration of Anaheim Stadium, where nobody could score.
2007-06-16 15:37:41
283.   Bluebleeder87

that's a known fact, i just wish he sported a Dodger Uni. i'm a huge fan of his.

2007-06-16 15:39:35
284.   Mark Joseph
250 272

And who is Dean Chance's closest comp, with a similarity score of 948? Andy Messersmith! To quote Dave Barry, "I am not making this up."

Chance: 128-115, 2.92, 1534 K, 739 BB in 2147 1/3 IP
Andy M: 130-99, 2.86, 1625 K, 831 BB in 2230 1/3 IP

2007-06-16 15:40:24
285.   Frip

Scareduck, just curious, why would you despise Steiner? He seems about as far from despiseable as a guy can get.

2007-06-16 15:46:53
286.   Bob Timmermann
Doesn't Luis Gonzalez's family still live in Arizona?
2007-06-16 15:47:41
287.   bluegold
Need help. Should I despise Schmidt or Colletti?
2007-06-16 15:48:18
288.   Mark Joseph


2007-06-16 15:48:58
289.   scareduck
288 - I like your answer, but I think Colletti is the right answer.
2007-06-16 15:49:37
290.   Anteater87
Come back Eddie. All is forgiven...
2007-06-16 15:49:45
291.   scareduck
285 - "En-kuh-nar-see-own". It's not a complicated name, but for some reason, he bollixes it up every time.
2007-06-16 15:50:10
292.   scareduck
291 - for "Encarnacion".
2007-06-16 15:50:58
293.   dzzrtRatt
Matt Verwhateversian...why is he mentioned as Scully's eventual replacement? I think I might prefer Rex Hudler. This Matt guy conveys none of the joy that Scully does. In fact, he's a downer. He's humor-impaired, and he's not a storyteller. He seems like the master of the media guide, and that's about as deep as it goes. Seriously, if it comes down to it, I hope they promote Steiner -- who I don't love, but I'm comfortable with -- rather than trying to import an alien voice like this guy.
2007-06-16 15:50:58
294.   MMSMikey
put a glove on that boot.
2007-06-16 15:52:39
295.   Bob Timmermann
Vasgersian is mentioned as Scully's eventual replacement by Tom Hoffarth of the Daily News, who seems to think that Vasgersian is the bee's knees.

I suppose he would help increase interest in the Dodgers in Glendale.

2007-06-16 15:54:51
296.   scareduck
293 - Matt Verwhateversian...why is he mentioned as Scully's eventual replacement? I think I might prefer Rex Hudler.

The first time in recorded history such a preference has occurred. Hudler is tolerable, sometimes enjoyable, but he babbles a good 30-50% of the time.

2007-06-16 15:55:41
297.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Hudler gives hope to stoners everywhere.
2007-06-16 15:55:54
298.   scareduck
Barring a meltdown by K-Rod, this game is over.

Tomorrow's game should be interesting: who will score first?

2007-06-16 15:56:01
299.   Frip
As far as the range of human variance, with dumb/annoying at one end, and smart/simpatico at the other, I'd say Steiner is pretty darn close to the latter.
2007-06-16 15:56:31
300.   scareduck
297 - stoners with ADD.
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2007-06-16 16:00:32
301.   scareduck
Kotchman has a concussion. He's day to day and probably won't be in tomorrow's game.
2007-06-16 16:02:58
302.   Bluebleeder87
K-Rod is so herky jerky i'm sure he's had arm issues in the past. great pitcher though.
2007-06-16 16:03:05
303.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know about you, but I'm looking up top.
2007-06-16 16:03:44
304.   Daniel Zappala
Wow, pretty impressive.
2007-06-16 16:06:00
305.   Bluebleeder87
well if anything at least we won't get swept this time around.
2007-06-16 16:08:12
306.   Branch Rickey
Dodgers averaging one run per game in the Mueller era. Must be due to the switch. Ridiculous? Absolutely.
If they had scored 10 runs each of the last two days would mnay people be crediting the switch? Without a doubt.
2007-06-16 16:14:28
307.   Jon Weisman
306 - I didn't really get the sense that people really bought into the idea that the switch was performance-related as much as personality-related. Not that that will make you feel better.
2007-06-16 16:17:48
308.   bluegold
307. But Murray's personality was a known quantity all this time. Took them this long to realize incompatibility?
2007-06-16 16:20:06
309.   Jon Weisman
308 - Not so improbable. I was at a job once that I hated from the first month. But you try to make the best of things and hope they get better. I stayed a year and a half.

Personality or not, Eddie might have given a very good interview. And as Branch would tell you, he does have people vouching for him.

2007-06-16 16:21:51
310.   Branch Rickey
307. Doesn't stop people from making performance an issue. See all of the talk of the Indians performance after he left there. It's just that no matter what, people judge you by the results while you're there. Reality is that he should probably take credit or blame for whatever happens through the end of the year. Anyway, I'll try not to go on too much about it anymore. Hopefully I can soon root for the team I've cared about for over 30 years. Right now, not so much.
2007-06-16 16:23:04
311.   Branch Rickey
309. He didn't get hired because of one good interview. Like all coaches, he was hired because somebody knew him. Grady coached with him in Cleveland and knew him well.
2007-06-16 17:05:28
312.   Doctor
I don't think the Murray firing and the youth movement starting is an unrelated coincidence by any means. Murray has a reputation for being unapproachable and stogy, some what like Kent. Not really a bad guy- but maybe not the best coach for the kids who are taking over some playing time. We may never know exactly why it happened when it did, but it seems understandable to me. But now what do we do?
2007-06-16 18:39:49
313.   ToyCannon
Forget about today and play tomorrow. No shame in getting shutout by the Angels, they have a deep rotation where a Cy Young two years removed is their worse pitcher. Just be glad were not facing Lackey tomorrow. Really think we'll go off on Escobar because he was so good last game that he needs to counter it with a downer game. Plus the Angels score about as many runs for him as the Dodgers do for Lowe.
2007-06-16 22:20:37
314.   paranoidandroid
I continue to get frustrated by having a runner on first and third with no outs and coming up empty. We have to push at least one home in that situation.

The Angels pen (Shields and FRod) were great. We should hit Oliver.

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