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Day Dreambeliever
2007-06-17 12:28
by Jon Weisman

Happy Father's Day to my kids, without whom, this would be just another ordinary day. And to my dad. And to all of you dads.

* * *

Today's game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (198)
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2007-06-17 12:42:33
1.   Linkmeister
Hey hey we're the Monkees!

Happy Father's Day to all to whom the appellation applies.

2007-06-17 12:42:46
2.   Dodgers49
One of the announcers just said that this was not a scheduled offday for Martin. That he slept "funny" and his neck is bothering him.
2007-06-17 12:46:05
3.   Bob Timmermann
Cheer up sleepy Jean.
2007-06-17 12:46:49
4.   underdog
Happy Father's Day! And Stepfather's Day. I'm in SB with my stepdad this weekend, for a change, and we're going to take a long bike ride while the Dodgers game is happening, so I'm DVR-ing it. (I'm also making up verbs.)

Ever notice how there are hardly any decent cards for stepfathers? In fact, there are hardly any decent cards for fathers, for that matter. Especially dads who don't golf or fish.

Anyway... talk t o y'all later!

2007-06-17 12:47:02
5.   D4P
Wow, Tiger just hit a little Vin Scully. Never seen that before.
2007-06-17 12:48:23
6.   D4P
Double wow. Tiger just chunked his next chip.
2007-06-17 12:56:35
7.   Doctor
We need a WIN with Martin on the bench badly, I feel as though Grady doesn't have much confidence in that happening. Lest we forget Liberthal can be a very productive hitter.
2007-06-17 13:19:47
8.   overkill94
Woo hoo, Wolf got out of the first unscathed!
2007-06-17 13:22:59
9.   natepurcell
furry jacks one!
2007-06-17 13:22:59
10.   Greg Brock
Welcome back, power.
2007-06-17 13:23:02
11.   overkill94
Fookie hit one out! Finally! Your turn Player...
2007-06-17 13:27:14
12.   bhsportsguy
Nomar hits one off the wall. Raffy comes through.

Tiger one back, oops sorry golf talk.

2007-06-17 13:27:51
13.   D4P
Wind must be blowing out or something.
2007-06-17 13:29:52
14.   D4P
Tiger is not looking good today. It's not feeling like he's gonna win.
2007-06-17 13:29:57
15.   bigcpa
13 Hey D4P- what's the story on your stalker buddy? What did you do to that guy?
2007-06-17 13:29:58
16.   Lexinthedena
Kent without wristband...what an unpleasant man...
2007-06-17 13:31:11
17.   Andrew Shimmin
Clearly Kent is a prostate cancer lover.
2007-06-17 13:31:15
18.   Bob Timmermann
Just a typical warm day. There does seem to be a slight breeze, but the number of times I can think of the wind blowing out at Dodger Stadium with any noticeable effect is about ... zero.
2007-06-17 13:31:37
19.   overkill94
Sometimes Betemit can look just plain hopeless at the plate. Three straight benders in the dirt takes him down this time. It's as if you can tell whether he'll strike out or not by the first pitch.
2007-06-17 13:32:00
20.   Bob Timmermann
Don't cry. He's won before.
2007-06-17 13:32:25
21.   D4P
Tiger with consecutive huge par putts.
2007-06-17 13:33:28
22.   D4P
Hey D4P- what's the story on your stalker buddy? What did you do to that guy?

I would assume it's bluetahoe. I haven't done anything to him per se, other than alert others to his (likely) presence around here.

2007-06-17 13:33:29
23.   bhsportsguy
14 Not sure about that, Tiger gutted out two pars there.

Oh and now he is back tied for first.

2007-06-17 13:33:47
24.   Bob Timmermann
"Who is it that will not wear the light blue wristbands?"
"Why will you not wear the wristbands?"
2007-06-17 13:34:27
25.   Dodgers49
Betemit looked as bad as I've ever seen him that at bat. And that's saying something.
2007-06-17 13:35:58
26.   bhsportsguy
Betemit can make hitting a home run so easy with his go with the pitch launches into the pavillion.

The good, 1 out of 10 times he hits the ball, its a homer.

The bad, getting him to hit the ball with any consistency.

2007-06-17 13:36:02
27.   Bob Timmermann
The way the US Open is going, Anthony Kim is preparing for a Monday playoff.
2007-06-17 13:36:50
28.   D4P
Anthony has been the LITC for a very long time.
2007-06-17 13:36:58
29.   Lexinthedena
25-Every time Betimit hits a few home runs, I get to thinking we have a 30 hr guy to hold down third base...then he reminds me that he is nice left handed power off the bench.....
2007-06-17 13:40:48
30.   bhsportsguy
28 Help with LITC, thanks
2007-06-17 13:41:33
31.   D4P
2007-06-17 13:41:39
32.   bigcpa
To be fair Escobar has been on fire this year. Kemp, Loney and Betemit have gotten their chance in a tough stretch of good opposing starters starting with Halladay. Would have been nice to have them beat up on Pittsburgh and DC on the last trip.
2007-06-17 13:47:16
33.   bhsportsguy
31 Thanks
2007-06-17 13:49:36
34.   Bob Timmermann
Weird thing today:
On the radio, I heard Charlie Steiner give the scores of the Padres, DBacks, and Giants game as "Games of interest in the NL West."

And Vin Scully just gave scores for the same three teams.

Poor Colorado... The Rockies are just 4 1/2 out and have a better record than the Giants.

2007-06-17 13:50:59
35.   D4P
Yeah. People generally don't seem to realize that the Rockies have made up a lot of ground recently, and actually have a winning record.
2007-06-17 13:53:04
36.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies are trailing Tampa Bay 6-3 today.
2007-06-17 13:56:34
37.   overkill94
Ugh, what a crappy day. My fantasy teams are taking a dump and now Wolf is off his game. Why does baseball have such a hold over my life?
2007-06-17 13:57:36
38.   scareduck
37 - Jered Weaver is just about the only pitcher I own who's doing well. Bronson Arroyo and Curt Schilling are killing me.
2007-06-17 13:58:01
39.   MMSMikey
nice turn there.
2007-06-17 13:59:11
40.   overkill94
Somebody wake up Lurch, we might need him today
2007-06-17 14:00:12
41.   Bob Timmermann
He's awake and warming up.
2007-06-17 14:00:16
42.   bhsportsguy
Wolf can't put guys away today. He needs strikeouts.
2007-06-17 14:01:54
43.   scareduck
Lurch up.
2007-06-17 14:02:15
44.   MMSMikey
looks like a solid 1-5 showing against the angels this year. hello 2005.
2007-06-17 14:02:41
45.   bhsportsguy
Lots of guys with 2 strikes on them and he can't get them to swing and miss.
2007-06-17 14:02:46
46.   scareduck
Surprised Mike sent Hillenbrand considering his groin injury earlier in the year.
2007-06-17 14:03:51
47.   scareduck
Wolf pads Willits' walk totals.
2007-06-17 14:04:36
48.   bhsportsguy
Well back to Tiger.
2007-06-17 14:07:47
49.   trainwreck
UCLA just got a commitment from a good offensive linemen, Hamani Stevens.
2007-06-17 14:08:51
50.   Gen3Blue
How many times do I have to turn on my TV and see Pierre do that. I mean I really try to give the guy a chance. Well I'm here and I take it Wolf had a melt down?
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2007-06-17 14:09:27
51.   Bob Timmermann
I just noticed that Chase Utley has 30 doubles already this season. That would put him on pace for 71.
2007-06-17 14:09:32
52.   MMSMikey
great inning.
2007-06-17 14:10:38
53.   Doctor
We already got our run today.
2007-06-17 14:10:50
54.   Gen3Blue
44 sorry, don't think I get it.
2007-06-17 14:14:00
55.   MMSMikey

1 win. 5 Losses.

2007-06-17 14:16:07
56.   Bob Timmermann
But do you think the Dodgers record against the Angels is an indicator of how the 2007 season will end or could it just be a case of the Angels being, how shall I put this, better?
2007-06-17 14:17:12
57.   Bob Timmermann
I missed seeing Prince Fielder hit an inside the park home run in Minnesota. I'm guessing someone had to fall over.
2007-06-17 14:17:24
58.   shamrok
Dunno why, but I love that Vlad doesn't wear gloves when batting.
2007-06-17 14:17:35
59.   bhsportsguy
First K of the day, a little late for Randy. It is a game of inches, Kendrick's double was just fair but he left an offspeed pitch up and over the plate for Quinlan (Quinlan, Branyon, I hate getting beat by these guys).
2007-06-17 14:17:42
60.   D4P
We have a new LITC!

Carl Pettersson has posted +13.

2007-06-17 14:17:55
61.   Gen3Blue
55 AHHH! The light bulb in the cartoon panel turns on with lines radiating from its hub.
2007-06-17 14:18:15
62.   StolenMonkey86
58 - If it's anything like why Jorge Posada or Moises Alou doesn't wear batting gloves, I wouldn't shake hands with him.
2007-06-17 14:19:08
63.   Andrew Shimmin
51- Magglio Ordonez has 32. I think there are a couple others on pace to beat the MLB record.
2007-06-17 14:19:44
64.   MMSMikey

good question. but im not sure. are the mets better than the dodgers?

2007-06-17 14:20:00
65.   Vishal
[56] are either of those implications positive?
2007-06-17 14:20:32
66.   Vishal
[57] WOW.
2007-06-17 14:23:22
67.   scareduck
56 - not to mention the oft-talked-about league talent differential, which, while probably not as great as is often suggested, is still present.
2007-06-17 14:23:54
68.   Bob Timmermann
Well, the Dodgers do have a better record than the Mets and a worse record than the Angels.
2007-06-17 14:24:06
69.   StolenMonkey86
57 - Torii Hunter got hit hard by a pitch in the first inning and Lew Ford replaced him.

Ford did have a nice day at the plate, though - 2 for 3 with a double, a run scored, and 4 RBI.

2007-06-17 14:24:10
70.   scareduck
57 - I'll second Vishal's WOW.
2007-06-17 14:25:44
71.   Bob Timmermann
Lew Ford was in center as Torii Hunter had left the game after getting hit by a pitch.

The Twins led 9-4 going to the 8th and Rincon coughed up three in the 8th and Nathan gave up 2 in the 9th.

2007-06-17 14:27:28
72.   Gen3Blue
55,56,64,65 An unfortunate situation. By this I mean that by doing nothing the D's will be better than the Halo's in two years. But its anathema, the thought of a GM like Coletti chilling for two years.

Wow is Kemp fast for a big man.

2007-06-17 14:27:35
73.   Bob Timmermann
And the Morneau led off the bottom of the 9th with a homer to win it for the Twins 10-9.
2007-06-17 14:28:57
74.   Andrew Shimmin
Unless Stoneman goes hog wild, I don't think it's safe to assume the Dodgers will be better than the Angels in a couple years. The Angels' farm is packed.
2007-06-17 14:28:59
75.   JoeyP
Escobar, Lackey, and Weaver are 3 ace-level starters--two in their prime, and 1 that will only get better.

The Halos real weakness is still in the middle of the order. 5th place hitter is Shea Hillenbrand? Cleanup--Rob Quinlan?

Its at least good to see Russ get two days off in a row before the 20games/20days stretch coming up.

2007-06-17 14:30:05
76.   gpellamjr
Prediction: Dodgers trade Betemit and a low-level pitching prospect to Baltimore for Tejada to play 3B.

Remember, you heard it from me first.

2007-06-17 14:31:34
77.   StolenMonkey86
76 - um, they're gonna have to showcase Betemit at short to have a chance at getting away with that one.
2007-06-17 14:31:45
78.   scareduck
75 - Q rakes lefties, career .316/.353/.534. He would have played today whether Kotchman was hale or not.
2007-06-17 14:33:49
79.   JoeyP
78--That explains a lot.

What is Shea Hillenbrand doing in that lineup though? Or even his presence on the roster?

2007-06-17 14:34:05
80.   Bob Timmermann
Nick Dougherty is the new LITC at the US Open.
2007-06-17 14:34:35
81.   Bob Timmermann
It's best not to bring up Hillenbrand around Rob.
2007-06-17 14:37:58
82.   scareduck
81 - You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. That green thing -- well, we won't talk about Oakland.
2007-06-17 14:44:11
83.   overkill94
The Nomar Special!
2007-06-17 14:44:20
84.   Vishal
yay runs!
2007-06-17 14:44:58
85.   overkill94
77 Mora played SS once upon a time, he might still be an option. Brian Roberts used to play there as well, does Betemit still have the range to play an everyday 2B?
2007-06-17 14:45:38
86.   scareduck
Escobar got very lucky with that pitch. Kent could have easily taken that over the fence.
2007-06-17 14:47:05
87.   Bob Timmermann
The leader of the US Open is taking a break after his drive on #15 to have a smoke.
2007-06-17 14:47:35
88.   StolenMonkey86
85 - Mora's like 35.

Although, if you give Danys Baez a 3 year deal, you might be dumb enough to put Mora at 3rd.

2007-06-17 14:48:47
89.   Bob Timmermann
Mora does play 3rd. Freddie Bynum was at short today as Tejada was the DH.

But will the Orioles fire Perlozzo?

2007-06-17 14:49:24
90.   StolenMonkey86
89 - gah. I meant short.
2007-06-17 14:51:25
91.   StolenMonkey86
I also wonder if the O's fire Perlozzo, does Leo go with him?
2007-06-17 14:51:59
92.   Andrew Shimmin
If somebody else can handle the kidnapping/crating him part, I'd be willing to pay the shipping on sending Hendrickson to an Estonian salt mine.
2007-06-17 14:52:44
93.   Gen3Blue
I still hold firm to my conviction that a lot depends on Coletti doing as little as possible. Of course, if he can obtain a really good player at some position that we don't have an adequate player or prospect, this is OK. Unfortunately, those positions are headlined by center field and left field. I would give up much for a great player at these positions.
2007-06-17 14:52:53
94.   Bob Timmermann
Mazzone has said that he is only staying in coaching because he's friends with Perlozzo.

Would you expect Mazzone to work with Davey Johnson? That would be a disaster.

2007-06-17 14:53:10
95.   MMSMikey
a 2 out hit must be nice.

cabreras career avg vs. dodgers?

2007-06-17 14:53:11
96.   D4P
Cabrera is playing the round of his life.
2007-06-17 14:53:21
97.   Vishal
looks like hendy's pixie dust has worn off.
2007-06-17 14:54:21
98.   Bob Timmermann
There are salt mines in Estonia?
2007-06-17 14:54:50
99.   JoeyP
Tomko/Hendrickson combined salary would have paid for Eric Gagne.
2007-06-17 14:54:56
100.   StolenMonkey86
I see a better chance of the O's hiring Eddie Murray as a manager than Davey Johnson. I think that would be too awkward for Angelos after firing him after the 97 season.
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2007-06-17 14:55:57
101.   Vishal
[95] .276 in 199 at-bats after that hit.
2007-06-17 14:57:16
102.   Bob Timmermann
Starting today, Cabrera was batting .267 in his career against the Dodgers. 773 OPS.
2007-06-17 14:57:25
103.   StolenMonkey86
99 - Yeah, and Gagne's lasted a whole 17 innings so far!
2007-06-17 14:57:53
104.   Bob Timmermann
See, Vishal even updated it!
2007-06-17 14:59:17
105.   Bob Timmermann
And what exactly would Gagne have done that Saito hasn't and at a much lower cost?
2007-06-17 15:02:01
106.   Vishal
[104] i figured i'd save you some legwork. :)
2007-06-17 15:03:14
107.   MMSMikey
betemit has no chance against escobar
2007-06-17 15:04:22
108.   shamrok
Vin cracks me up.
2007-06-17 15:05:38
109.   Vishal
hah, vin is jokingly chiding betemit because he'd praised wilson's patience at the beginning of the game, and he's struck out 3 times on 9 pitches since.
2007-06-17 15:06:32
110.   bhsportsguy
Its days like this where if you are going to play Betemit, you have to put it aside and play him again the next time.
2007-06-17 15:06:45
111.   JoeyP
Gagne would have made the Dodgers middle relief much better---every pitcher moves down a rung.

Gagne-9th, Saito-8th, Broxton-7th.

2007-06-17 15:07:05
112.   scareduck
97 - not pixie dust, more like blow.
2007-06-17 15:07:25
113.   MMSMikey
hopefully betemit gets the sombrero today.
2007-06-17 15:07:45
114.   Vishal
and tomko's next.
2007-06-17 15:07:59
115.   JoeyP
103--Gagne's low innings count is mainly due to not having many chances to save games for the Rangers. He's actually had a really good year.
2007-06-17 15:08:45
116.   Bob Timmermann
At an extremely high cost for an almost insignificant marginal gain.
2007-06-17 15:08:48
117.   Vishal
[112] blow is pretty much all hendrickson's been doing for most of his career.
2007-06-17 15:09:47
118.   MMSMikey
grady should not have put betemit in the lineup today. based on when the dodgers faced the escobar in anaheim and betemit struggled. and that just looks like a bad matchup. with escobars splitter and change up. john maine, ok. kelvin escobar. not ok.
2007-06-17 15:10:26
119.   scareduck
109 - is Vin calling this game on the radio?
2007-06-17 15:11:08
120.   Bob Timmermann
Not unless Steiner/Monday's audio went out.
2007-06-17 15:11:38
121.   scareduck
That's all the respect McPopup's arm deserves, too.
2007-06-17 15:12:42
122.   scareduck
120 - I didn't notice that Vinny was calling the game on Prime.
2007-06-17 15:13:01
123.   shamrok
It's a bloodbath.
2007-06-17 15:13:21
124.   Vishal
[119] fsn prime ticket. i've got it on today.
2007-06-17 15:13:22
125.   scareduck
Stolen on Seanez.
2007-06-17 15:13:39
126.   bhsportsguy
110 Considering that they had only that one blowup in San Diego, its hard to say that Gagne would added that much to this team, its not even a case where the middle relief has really hurt this team.
2007-06-17 15:14:16
127.   Andrew Shimmin
I would have sworn Estonia had a famous salt mine, but it looks like that's Poland. But it's fine. Hendrickson can go to an Estonian oil shale mine. Or a phosphate quarry. That should be the next poll.
2007-06-17 15:14:24
128.   scareduck
123 - I expect it will get closer. Escobar is at 95 pitches, and my guess is they won't let him hit for himself.
2007-06-17 15:17:09
129.   scareduck
128 - I stand corrected.
2007-06-17 15:17:41
130.   scareduck
I will be hornswoggled.
2007-06-17 15:18:14
131.   shamrok
Pretty slick bunt fake.
2007-06-17 15:20:02
132.   JoeyP
116--What would be the high cost?
Take off Tomko/Hendrickson.
Add Gagne.

Dodgers save money and have a better relief pitcher in the pen.

Seems like a win-win.

2007-06-17 15:20:05
133.   MMSMikey
ball 1?
2007-06-17 15:23:59
134.   scareduck
At two grand slams between the Angels and Dodgers, this is now officially a rout.
2007-06-17 15:24:41
135.   bhsportsguy
118 The Dodgers certainly are struggling during this stretch of right handed starters, looks like 5-7 in their last 12.

Martin, Furcal, Gonzalez, Kent and Ethier hit much better against lefties. Surprsingly Nomar is near the Mendoza line against lefties, Pierre also does not do well.

Against righthanders, when Juan Pierre is your top batter and Betemit is your top OPS guy, you are going to struggle. Gonzalez does okay.

So they are going to have to pick it up against righties if they are going to suceed this year.

2007-06-17 15:26:02
136.   Jon Weisman
I was in favor of keeping Gagne once I saw what was being spent on Hendrickson. (Lumping Tomko in there is tougher, because Tomko's salary was guaranteed before Gagne signed with Texas.) So I'd tend to agree with JoeyP. The only question is, Hendrickson did provide value with his starts in April. The answer might be, with Gagne in the pen, Billingsley gets those starts.

I don't think it's clear-cut in either direction, but I definitely endorsed Gagne this offseason as someone with the upside worth taking a risk on, as opposed to Hendrickson's low upside, and you can't say the 2007 numbers don't support that.

2007-06-17 15:27:08
137.   Andrew Shimmin
132- It only would have saved money of Gagne had hit hardly any of his performance based bonuses. He was slated to make six million, no matter what, about one million less than Tomko and Hendrickson put together.

Gagne wouldn't have been a big pickup, unless Flanders had given him Nomar's or Pierre's money, instead of giving it to them. Though, most of that marginal improvement could have been realized by giving me Nomar's or Pierre's money. So, there's that.

2007-06-17 15:28:11
138.   scareduck
136 - the problem being, can Gagne start? Hendrickson gives the pitching staff some flexibility. I also disagree with it, but I can understand why they went in that direction. Also, I suspect there's some bad blood between the Dodger front office and Scott Boras, which in the long run is probably not a good thing.
2007-06-17 15:29:15
139.   StolenMonkey86
117 - I thought that was Steve Howe.
2007-06-17 15:31:51
140.   Jon Weisman
Gagne couldn't start, in this reality, but Billingsley could, which is in fact better. And it's not as if we knew Saito would be this good again in 2007.

The Boras thing is another issue.

2007-06-17 15:34:58
141.   Bob Timmermann
Niclas Fasth is the LITC at +7.

And I think he needs more vowels.

2007-06-17 15:36:38
142.   D4P
Nomar is an RBI Machine.
2007-06-17 15:37:01
143.   trainwreck
Kent really needs to be moved down in the order.
2007-06-17 15:37:47
144.   bhsportsguy
136 And lets say they resign him, we have to go through the whole circus in Spring Training about him, worry what happens is Gagne goes back on the DL in April, like he did, sure he has come back but the criticism would have been fierce.

Would I like to him now instead of some guys on the team, sure but signing him would have been questioned from the moment it was done and at the money he wanted, picking up Tsao, Seanez and even seeing how Brazoban came back from his injury was cheaper and certainly so far probably as effective as signing Gagne would have been for the team so far.

2007-06-17 15:38:16
145.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have really been observant of the terms of their conditional use permit this weekend.
2007-06-17 15:39:08
146.   natepurcell
oh Jesus Christ.
2007-06-17 15:39:13
147.   StolenMonkey86
145 - 55,999 in attendance?
2007-06-17 15:40:07
148.   shamrok
rut roh
2007-06-17 15:40:09
149.   Greg Brock
Wonderful. Just euphemism wonderful.

This one is going to be bad.
2007-06-17 15:40:16
150.   MMSMikey
thats why you dont put a gold glove 1st baseman in the outfield.
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2007-06-17 15:40:21
151.   natepurcell
im going to blame this on Nomar.
2007-06-17 15:40:47
152.   Bob Timmermann
56,000 on the nose three straight days.
2007-06-17 15:40:59
153.   Gen3Blue
Great use of Loney as an inexperienced outfielder. Just forget it.
2007-06-17 15:41:29
154.   D4P
Please describe the inside-the-parker. Whose fault was it?
2007-06-17 15:41:31
155.   scareduck
The Angels have a history of getting inside-the-parkers while injuring opposition outfielders. See also, Dallas McPherson and Dave Roberts (as a Padre).

One hell of an expensive play. Is the base of the wall padded?

2007-06-17 15:41:37
156.   StolenMonkey86
did he hurt himself?
2007-06-17 15:41:47
157.   natepurcell

the walls fault.

2007-06-17 15:42:09
158.   scareduck
154 - Frank McCourt for putting that plastic scoreboard there with concrete underneath.
2007-06-17 15:42:19
159.   Eric Enders
Again with the unpadded scoreboard? Right now I would not be opposed to the idea of Frank McCourt being taken out back and shot.
2007-06-17 15:42:27
160.   kngoworld
Nightmares of Bobby Valentine, playing out of position, recurring
2007-06-17 15:42:36
161.   Bob Timmermann
The LITC is now Cabrera at +5.

That probably won't change.

2007-06-17 15:42:39
162.   MMSMikey

put some of it on tomko too for continuing to throw batting practice.

2007-06-17 15:43:14
163.   scareduck
159 - get in line.
2007-06-17 15:43:16
164.   StolenMonkey86
159 - I'd be happy enough to see Logan White punch McCourt.
2007-06-17 15:43:22
165.   Gen3Blue
I think the D's must keep that right field area unprotected to get rid of inconvenient young player. (I'll regret saying this later, and almost didn't push the button, but it is too close not vent).
2007-06-17 15:43:23
166.   natepurcell
at least he looks like a gamer now with all the dirt on his uniform.
2007-06-17 15:44:03
167.   trainwreck
I hear he cannot even stand. is that true?

I cannot believe we are going to lose Loney to this.

2007-06-17 15:44:10
168.   bhsportsguy
159 That's a bit much don't you think.
2007-06-17 15:44:22
169.   trainwreck
*stand, is that true?
2007-06-17 15:45:05
170.   D4P
Probably not. Cabrera has probably secured himself a playoff at worst.
2007-06-17 15:45:21
171.   ROC
Actually he banged his knee hard on the base of the wall (under the padding, to the right of the 'Kemp" scoreboard).

They cut his pant leg off, he's smiling and they cart is coming.

BTW, aren't we out of outfielders now? Abreu maybe in RF?

2007-06-17 15:45:24
172.   MMSMikey
that better not be an ACL, frank. i think we can assume its not broken though.
2007-06-17 15:45:33
173.   natepurcell
remember all that gurnick talk in the offseason about Loney having a bum knee?


2007-06-17 15:46:47
174.   scareduck
172 - Probably a deep contusion, but it could be a month or more before he's back. This is a long DL stint.

Betemit in right.

2007-06-17 15:46:58
175.   Greg Brock
I've got a brilliant idea:

Let's take the best young fielding 1st baseman in baseball, and put him in a position for which he is completely unprepared. Then, let's take a total non-factor washout shortstop and continue to play him at first. We'll sell jerseys, but calamity will ensue.

Who is with me!

2007-06-17 15:47:12
176.   StolenMonkey86
Betemit in right?

Um, ok.

2007-06-17 15:47:29
177.   Andrew Shimmin
159- Depends on the body part targeted, and the caliber of the gun. A .22 in the butt, for example, isn't too much.
2007-06-17 15:48:01
178.   Gen3Blue
What the heck--does Betemit have much experience in the outfield? Are they trying to get rid of him?
2007-06-17 15:48:25
179.   Andrew Shimmin
177 corrected: 168, that should be.
2007-06-17 15:48:41
180.   trainwreck
Please do not hit the ball to Betemit and get him injured too.
2007-06-17 15:48:41
181.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-06-17 15:48:57
182.   D4P
What the heck--does Betemit have much experience in the outfield?

Did Loney?

2007-06-17 15:49:12
183.   shamrok
Why not put Martin in the outfield, it feels like one of those kinds of days....what a joke.
2007-06-17 15:50:27
184.   StolenMonkey86
Betemit never played outfield in the majors. Or the minors, according to The Baseball Cube.
2007-06-17 15:50:39
185.   Gen3Blue
Well, we got a good look at the mop-up part of our bullpen anyway.
2007-06-17 15:51:42
186.   Bob Timmermann
In the future, all the players we like will be put into protective bubbles. All players we don't like will be lent out to Consumer Reports as crash test dummies.
2007-06-17 15:52:45
187.   Gen3Blue
What the heck was Furcal doing, an imitation of a reciprocal pump.
2007-06-17 15:55:58
188.   Doctor
I misssed it- Loney for some reason replaced Kemp in RF and got hurt?
2007-06-17 15:58:19
189.   scareduck
188 - smashed his knee into the concrete beneath the plastic scoreboard in RF. Taken off the field on a cart, but smiling as he left.
2007-06-17 15:59:45
190.   Bob Timmermann
Fielder's ITPHR came when Lew Ford lost his popup in the ceiling of the Metrodome and it bounced behind him.
2007-06-17 15:59:49
191.   Greg Brock
Loney: You'd Be the right field wall out at Dodger Stadium...Killer of Women and Kemps.

Right Field Wall: That's right. I've killed women and Kemps. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, James Loney.

2007-06-17 15:59:56
192.   StolenMonkey86
188 - Double switch to bring in Bombko. Loney hit the wall on a line drive from Matthews, and Matthews ended up with an in-the-park homer. Loney was carted off the field.
2007-06-17 16:02:04
193.   StolenMonkey86
"Olmedo Saenz singles on a ground ball to Chone Figgins" made me chuckle.
2007-06-17 16:05:58
194.   scareduck
Didn't Broxton pitch Friday and Saturday? Why use him today, in a blowout?
2007-06-17 16:06:14
195.   Jon Weisman
Did people miss 181?
2007-06-17 16:08:54
196.   StolenMonkey86
195 - I guess we figured this was still the game thread. Or at least I did.
2007-06-17 16:12:55
197.   scareduck
196 - ditto.
2007-06-17 16:14:16
198.   Linkmeister
Vinnie acknowledges Google in finding the town named Hercules!

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