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The Hairy, Scary AL
2007-06-19 08:34
by Jon Weisman

The horrors of the Dodgers' 1-20 run in interleague road games get relived today by Ben Bolch in the Times:

It started two years ago in the modern mecca of baseball futility, with an unexpected twist.

The Kansas City Royals, 20 1/2 games behind in the American League Central in the middle of June, swept the contending Dodgers in a three-game series at Kauffman Stadium. Maybe the Dodgers should have figured something sinister was afoot when Jose Lima won the second game in the series — his first victory in 14 starts.

From there the Dodgers headed to Chicago, where usually dependable relievers Yhency Brazoban and Duaner Sanchez blew a pair of late leads and the White Sox chalked up another three-game sweep for the AL.

Even a return to Southern California provided no solace for the Dodgers, who were swept by the Angels a week later at Angel Stadium.

And on it went.

Tonight the Dodgers open a series against the Toronto Blue Jays at the Rogers Centre having lost 20 of their last 21 interleague games on the road while being outscored, 123-42. How could a team that has been a relatively respectable 11-10 against AL teams at home since 2005 have stumbled so dramatically on the road? ...

* * *

At's Fungoes, a quick glance at the Diamondbacks' Randy Johnson and the improvement of the Colorado Rockies:

Thanks to injuries and ineffectiveness, Randy Johnson had only one quality start in his return to Arizona through the Diamondbacks' first 35 games of the season. Coming off a 2006 season in which he had a 5.00 ERA, it would have been reasonable to wonder whether the 43-year-old Johnson would ever dominate again.

But then over a 4 1/2-week period, Johnson knocked out six consecutive knockout starts, allowing eight runs over 35 2/3 innings (2.02 ERA) while striking out 51 and walking five -- a ratio few achieve at any point in their careers. According to, opponents had an on-base percentage of .222 against Johnson and a slugging percentage of .233 in that span. ...

Colorado has furthered its attempt to go from pretender to contender. Since May 21, the Rockies are 17-7, even including Sunday's 7-4 loss to Tampa Bay. However, in that time Colorado has only gone from being seven games out of first place to 5 1/2 games out, because San Diego (which was in second place May 21) has gone 16-8.

On May 14, I wrote that "the Rockies' main problem this year is that their pitching isn't as deep as they might have hoped, at home or on the road. .... The Rockies are hardly dead and buried, but they have got to get their pitching turned around to stay in the competitive division race." In the 31 games since, Colorado's team ERA, 5.10 prior to the article, has been 3.67, according to ...

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2007-06-19 09:05:30
1.   bluegold
I have arrived at the frame of mind where in any game I am pleasantly surprised when the Dodgers win. Don't blame me. The Dodgers put me there.
2007-06-19 09:06:57
2.   ToyCannon
It probably won't get much better. We are running full blown into a revamped Toronto rotation and McGowan, Halladay, and Marcum have been very very good lately. The kids have both been better then the veteran Halladay. Our pitching will need to be on it's game and hope we can take advantage of the Toronto bullpen.
Tamp Bay also completely redid their rotation and while we will miss the ace of the staff Jamie Shields, we won't miss Kazmir and the kids, Sonnanstien and Hammel who are huge upgrades over Fossum and Seo. Luckily their bullpen should be at our mercy unless they are able to get the game to their closer who has an unblemished record so far. After years of futility the Devil Rays made three key winter moves that should be the envy of every GM. The pulled Carlos Pena off the scrapheap and he beat out Hee Sop Choi for a backup role on the team but when injuries hit the Ray's he has stepped in and has actually been the BEST hitting 1st baseman in the AL. Then Brendan Harris was culled from the Nationals and when the starting SS Zobrist failed to impress Harris was pressed into duty and he has also excelled and has even gotten better as the season has progressed. Finally Al Reyes a journeyman relief pitcher who lost a year to TJ surgery was given a trial and while he has always had decent peripherals no one has ever trusted him with a lead until the Rays were left with no one else to turn to. I think he is now 16/16 in save opportunities and is the only reliable pitcher in the bullpen. Given that this team is already loaded with prospects that fact that they were able to find 3 cheap talents is a clue that the new management team knows what they are doing. They have recently promoted Sonnanstine, Howell, and Hammell to help out the beleaguered rotation and bullpen and each of the 3 has already proven to be much better then the road kill they replaced. With Neiman also ready to be promoted the time of the Rays being a laughing stock is over.
I'm hoping for a 3/3 split on this trip.
2007-06-19 09:13:53
3.   still bevens
2 Nice writeup. I think the keys to success rely on our starters. If they do poorly, we lose. I guess the exception to this rule is Derek Lowe, who seems to gets saddled with L's no matter how well he pitches. =)
2007-06-19 09:18:55
4.   Jon Weisman
1 - "The Dodgers put me there."

The Dodgers nearly have the best record in the NL. You're a little overly cynical, aren't you?

2007-06-19 09:26:49
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - That sounded a little harsh. I guess I'm just saying there should be some perspective. The Dodgers have a whopper of a two-game losing streak, after winning four straight against two division leaders. They have problems and I understand lowering one's expectations, but if you are surprised when they when, part of that surprise is on you. However pleasant :)
2007-06-19 09:38:56
6.   Eric Stephen
I'm more concerned with the offense than the pitching. In June, the Dodgers are only averaging 3.6 runs/gm after averaging 4.5 the first 2 months. This month, they are only hitting .246/.306/.379 as a team (80 *OPS+).

Hopefully 6 games with the DH slot will allow Loney to get some more ABs (the only lefty starters -- meaning a DH start for Saenz -- they face will be Kazmir and maybe J.P. Howell in Tampa Bay).

2007-06-19 09:42:46
7.   Humma Kavula
While I definitely wouldn't go as far as 1, I see where he's coming from. The Dodgers' offense -- which I described as "average" a few weeks ago, has been markedly below average since then... the Dodgers now rank 25th among the 30 teams in runs scored (though, I should note, it's a tight grouping, and should the Dodgers have a 10-run outburst soon, it'll look a lot better).

Where I think 1 is coming from is that we know how hard it is to win games when the team scores few runs.

That said, I think that the starting pitching is so good, it's OK for the time being.... but that's the big question mark to me. Can Penny keep pitching like he is? Is Wolf falling off from his great start to the year? Is Kuo a bona fide major league starter? Is Billingsley ready to step into that role with Schmidt out? When Schmidt comes back, what kind of pitcher will he be?

I'll continue to complain about the offense -- and I have an outlet for that -- but ultimately, the offense is what it is. I'll continue to enjoy the good pitching, but there's a bead of sweat on my brow that wonders if it'll stay as good as it's been, and if it doesn't -- assuming no other changes -- I believe that the team will sink quickly.

2007-06-19 09:42:59
8.   bryanf
I know we haven't exactly been stellar during interleague games this season either, but most of those 20 games that were lost happened with a different Dodger team. In fact, the one game we won, I believe, was in Anaheim with Brad Penny on the mound. I know our offense has been pretty abysmal for the last week or so, but let's not lose all hope right now. All of these upcoming interleague games are extremely winnable.
2007-06-19 09:43:49
9.   bluegold
5. Be harsh, it's OK. Good to have optimism balance pessimism. However, it just seems that, except for games pitched by Penny or Lowe, opponents jump on Dodgers pitchers right off the bat and then the Dodgers have to play come-from-behind. And with this offense, come-from-behind is asking a lot. Throw the Schmidt fiasco into the mix and there you have the cause of my baseball emotional state. Of course, that would all change if the Dodgers pleasantly surprise me and take a couple of the upcoming series.
2007-06-19 09:46:52
10.   Inside Baseball
Back to Computer Thoughts...

If I switch to Firefox and disable IE (per Andrew's link in a prior thread), will the anti-spyware programs I have installed from Microsoft stop running and will my computer run faster as a result? Or do I need to do more than that?

Also, do I need to download other anti-spyware for Firefox or is my general anti-virus program protection enough?

Please answer as if your are tech support and Pedro Guerrero is calling and he is asking that you answer him in English. Thanks.

2007-06-19 09:47:23
11.   Jacob L
It'd be a fairly bitter pill if we can't right the ship in the remainder of the interleague schedule. On paper, we're drawing a huge break with our division playing the AL East, and we skip both the Yankees and Diamondbacks. But I remember all too well from 2005, that games, rather than being played on paper, are played on astroturf in KC. Actually, I think they put in real grass, but you get my drift. That was about the worst week of Dodger rooting I can remember, when we combined blowing a huge schedule advantage with the banishment of Choi.
2007-06-19 09:48:38
12.   Jacob L
12 By Diaomndbacks, I meant Red Sox. I guess that blow to the head was worse than I thought.
2007-06-19 09:48:45
13.   Inside Baseball
Oh and are there any cons to switching to Firefox?
2007-06-19 09:49:27
14.   regfairfield
9 So you're saying this wasn't the case two games ago? Tiny losing streaks happen all the time. This team, deservedly or not, is a game and a half away from the best record in the NL. If you feel this way about the Dodgers right now, what team would you feel confident in?
2007-06-19 09:50:18
15.   bluegold
10. All you need are

Adaware and
AVG anti-virus.

These are all free, just google-search and download them.

2007-06-19 09:54:12
16.   Eric Stephen
11 If I remember correctly, the Dodgers that week were in the midst of some weird scoring fluke where they had something like 10 straight runs on solo homers and nothing else. And it was spread out over a number of games, so they were not a very crooked-number team at the point.

I'll look that up to confirm.

2007-06-19 09:55:23
17.   kngoworld
The DH will help get some extra ABs for our young boys, although I dont see it bringing as many as we would like. It will probably give extra AB's to a shuffle of players including Loney, Kemp, Ethier, Abreu, and even Saenz for a couple games. Every little bit helps, but I am guessing we are looking at about 4 or 5 extra at bats each for the young guys. The veterans like Kent, Garciaparra, and Pierre will still be in the lineup every day. The only real change will be instead of giving the elders a day off, they will be the DH. Not much changes, in terms of total ABs.
2007-06-19 09:56:16
18.   bluegold
14. I hope I jinx them by saying this, but the Padres seem to be in good shape by virtue of their strong pitching. And that gift we gave them last time is still bugging the crap out of me. A two-game turnaround in the standing.
2007-06-19 09:57:03
19.   LogikReader
It could be worse, we could be the Mets.
2007-06-19 09:58:12
20.   LogikReader
Disclaimer: the Mets would still appear to be the best team in the NL, but because of their expectations, like the Lakers of old, their recent doldrums are harder for their fans to swallow.
2007-06-19 09:58:55
21.   Inside Baseball
15 Thanks bluegold. Will disabling IE speed up my web browsing or will it just be safer or both (hopefully)?
2007-06-19 10:06:32
22.   Eric Stephen
June 10, 2005 - Choi hits walk-off HR off former Dodger midseason acquisition Terry Mullholland to beat the Twins

June 11 - Dodgers stuck to their "principles" as homers by Choi, Kent, and Jason Grabowski provided their only runs in a 5-3 loss to the Twins (I was at this game)

June 12 - Or as it's known in my house, The Third Rail Day. Hee Seop Choi hit 3 HR and J.D. Drew hit another, providing all the runs in a 4-3 defeat of the Twins

June 14 - Choi and Drew were at it again, each hitting solo HRs in a 3-2 loss in KC

10 straight runs in 3+ games, all on solo HR, including an amazing 6 by Hee Seop Choi, who was hitting .261 with an .871 OPS after the June 14 game. He only started 37 of the final 99 games of Jim Tracy's Dodger managerial career.

2007-06-19 10:10:25
23.   bluegold
21. I don't see why you need to "disable" IE. Just don't launch it. Firefox (as they claim) uses much less PC resources and therefore should run faster, and does not have the security breaches that IE has. Hackers tend to go after the biggie (IE) and leave Firefox and other browsers alone. But be aware that websites are developed for IE, since it is the standard, so certain websites' graphics may not appear correctly under Firefox.
2007-06-19 10:10:33
24.   Xeifrank
The Dodgers will have to face Frank Thomas this go-round with the BJays. It's not as if he is setting the world on fire over 200+ at bats, but he is a dangerous bat nonetheless.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 10:11:39
25.   underdog
What, no one's excited about the Tommy Lasorda chat today? I wonder if D4P will ask him about D4P. I honestly wouldn't know what to ask him, other than his favorite kind of pasta, and superficial questions about his managing career.
2007-06-19 10:13:05
26.   Eric Stephen
25 You could ask him what he thought of Kingman's performance.
2007-06-19 10:13:05
27.   D4P
Regarding Choi: It's both amazing and sad that a 28-year old guy with a career OPS+ of 107 and career EQA of .275 was universally deemed sub-major league material.
2007-06-19 10:13:09
28.   Xeifrank
DodgerSims puts the Dodgers win probability for today at 55.5%.
Go Dodgers!
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 10:13:11
29.   Inside Baseball
23 Ok, I won't disable it. I really appreciate your help, thanks again.
2007-06-19 10:13:15
30.   LogikReader
That's a good question, underdog. I would ask him: Prego vs. Ragu?
2007-06-19 10:14:04
31.   neuroboy002
21 I would like to recommend not using IE altogether. Firefox and Opera are more stabil
web browsers - faster, more secure, less popups.
2007-06-19 10:18:49
32.   Marty
Apple just ported Safari for the PC too.

2007-06-19 10:18:59
33.   bluegold
29, 31. I use Opera and like it alot. I hardly use IE, except when I encounter websites that require IE for correct graphics viewing.
2007-06-19 10:23:02
34.   D4P
Does anyone out there prefer a browser over Firefox...?
2007-06-19 10:24:10
35.   bryanf
I am a Firefox zealot (although I actually use Camino on my Mac at home...I know, I know, I never thought I would either). I hate IE, however, it is true that some sites (fewer and fewer thankfully) won't render correctly in Firefox or require plug-ins that are not available. I think that IETab is a great Firefox plug-in for this purpose...with one click you can render a site in IE though you are still in Firefox. I don't use it much, but it's been handy when I have.
2007-06-19 10:24:36
36.   SG6
27 - Maybe that's more indicative of the limitations of OPS+ and EQA? Even if OPS+ is considered "The Rule", there are always exceptions to the rule. Hard to believe Derrek Lee was traded for Choi.
2007-06-19 10:25:07
37.   Marty
Firefox is my preference. Some people seem to experience memory leaks, but I don't.
2007-06-19 10:27:14
38.   regfairfield
36 Neither EQA nor OPS+ measures baseball savvy.
2007-06-19 10:29:12
39.   regfairfield
27 Admittedly, this is partially Choi's fault. If he had hit when he was in Pawtuckett last year, he'd probably have Hinskie's spot on the Red Sox roster.
2007-06-19 10:29:54
40.   Telemachos
32 It's worth pointing out that the Windows Safari is a beta... probably has a few bugs and annoyances to be ironed out still.
2007-06-19 10:30:58
41.   underdog
You think IE for windows is bad... I'd forgotten I even had it on my Mac until yesterday when for some reason it default-opened when I clicked on a link in a document. They stopped updating the Mac IE years ago, looks ridiculous now. I use Safari and Firefox here; on Windows at work I use Firefox, though it crashes quite a bit, and occasionally the newest version of IE - the one trying to be like FF.

I experience memory leaks in real life, but rarely in FF.

What were we talking about?

2007-06-19 10:31:09
42.   kngoworld
I noticed tonights game time is at 4:07pm. Kind of odd to have a time not divisible by 5. I also see tonight's Whit Sox game starts at 5:11. Any insight on how a team decides the game time? Mr. Timmermann or anyone else?
2007-06-19 10:31:25
43.   bigcpa
36 What are these exceptions? In what circumstance would you not want to pay the league minimum for an above avg. hitter?
2007-06-19 10:33:05
44.   Eric Stephen
42 The White Sox have a deal with 7-11 (the convenience store) to have all their evening home games start at 7:11. Not sure of Toronto though.
2007-06-19 10:35:17
45.   D4P
I used to have huge memory leak problems with Firefox, but the last few versions have seemed to solve the problem.
2007-06-19 10:35:33
46.   kngoworld
Figures. Thanks for the information.
2007-06-19 10:37:58
47.   bryanf
42 These are my guesses:

1) Television advertising related.
2) The extra anthem that has to be sung.
3) They just have to be different than the U.S.
4) They have convenient stores named 7-07 in Toronto.

2007-06-19 10:38:08
48.   neuroboy002
35, 40 Never used camino so I can't opine to its efficacy. I always switch back & forth to Firefox and Opera though and really like those two. I was not aware of tabbed IE browsing, but will have to give that a try for websites I don't trust. I wouldn't download the PC version of Safari just yet. It's a great Apple application, but still needs some work outside of mac confines.

In regards to this minor Choi talk - I vehemently blame him for derailing Rolen's career. Didn't he run into Rolen, leading to a shoulder dislocation that has never healed properly(?) Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that, but Scott Rolen should be a 3rd basemen with numbers world's beyond what he has now. Call it the Choi Effect.

2007-06-19 10:39:17
49.   Eric Stephen
47 The branding still works! "Oh thank heaven for Seven Oh Seven."
2007-06-19 10:39:27
50.   regfairfield
48 Scott Rolen ran into him. Scott Erickson is the one who caused the situation in the first place by making a bad throw.
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2007-06-19 10:40:38
51.   JoeyP
This team, deservedly or not, is a game and a half away from the best record in the NL

Undeservedly, which is the cause for the pessimism:

Padres- 43-25
Dodogers- 37-32

2007-06-19 10:41:17
52.   underdog
44 I think I'd be more suspicious if Toronto's home games started at 4:20 instead. That'd be an interesting licensing deal.
2007-06-19 10:41:40
53.   bryanf
49 Don't know why I just thought of it, but we are only two and half weeks away from 7-07-07...the luckiest day.
2007-06-19 10:42:09
54.   Eric Stephen
48 I thought Rolen ran into Choi. Factoring in Hee Seop's Herculean strength, it's amazing Rolen can still walk, let alone play baseball!

I did think it was a little callous of HSC to remark to one of the umpires nearby, "If he dies, he dies."

2007-06-19 10:53:57
55.   Greg Brock
I love the smell of Choi grenades in the morning.

Smells like...victory.

2007-06-19 10:57:07
56.   ToyCannon
The Carlos Pena's of the world give Hee Sop some hope. They were painted with the same brush but luckily for Carlos he got a break otherwise he'd just be whacking the ball in AAA.
2007-06-19 11:01:01
57.   D4P
I'd like to think that Depo would try to bring Choi back someday.
2007-06-19 11:02:13
58.   Doctor
Just hopefully not for the Dodgers!
2007-06-19 11:03:03
59.   neuroboy002
48 I thought he said, "Dis-member the corpse and send his wife a fruit basket." Courtesy of The Pacific Rim, of course.
2007-06-19 11:03:28
60.   SG6
43 - "above average hitter" seems to be the sticking point among GMs that have had Choi on their roster. Choi was certainly an above average walker, and had enough power to keep the pitchers from throwing them down the middle. But as for "hitting prowess", however one chooses to define that statistically, Choi didn't seem to have it. And his "baseball savviness" was definitely lacking. If you don't know your team's signs by September, your head's not completely in the game.
2007-06-19 11:06:17
61.   Humma Kavula
Which "Thank You For Not" was "bringing up Hee Seop Choi?" I forget.
2007-06-19 11:39:13
62.   Bob Timmermann
My friend with the Blue Jays said the games start at 7 minutes after the hour because the Blue Jays wanted to have more time for their pregame show and sell extra commercials.
2007-06-19 11:42:30
63.   ToyCannon
Same was being said of Carlos Pena as he was released by Detroit/NY/Boston. I would think Detroit and NY are rethinking those decisions based on the production they are currently getting. Carlos Pena always did some things well but for some reason when he didn't turn out to be a star they just started focusing on the things he didn't do very well and forgot about his power which has always been there.
2007-06-19 11:51:33
64.   Bob Timmermann
Sadly for Choi, after three games back in Korea, he suffered a rib cage injury and he's been out of action for a while.

Or at least that's what I've been able to piece together from English language sources about Korean baseball and my very shaky reading of the KBL website. Which is in Korean. Which I cannot read. But I know Choi's number and his team name is written in Roman letters as "KIA."

2007-06-19 11:52:09
65.   bigcpa
60 How do you define hitting prowess? Batting average? What do you make of Ryan Howard's 2007 line of .238/.379/.530?
2007-06-19 11:57:28
66.   StolenMonkey86
Just noticed this, but Brady Clark was actually last on the team with a -0.2 WARP-1 when he was DFA'd.

Currently, only one active Dodger has a WARP1 below 0, and that's Nomar at -0.1.

2007-06-19 12:01:14
67.   Humma Kavula
66 I believe that Lucille II was bringing up the rear until he left the team. Could be wrong, though.
2007-06-19 12:02:45
68.   kngoworld
62 Thanks.

As is most things in professional sports these days, its all about the money.

2007-06-19 12:04:47
69.   Bob Timmermann
But in some respects, the Blue Jays were being honest. Their pregame shows kept running long so they just decided to not be "late" in starting and put down the actual starting time.
2007-06-19 12:11:30
70.   StolenMonkey86
Martinez is at -0.1, although I guess it's a close call.

In terms of EqA, you would be correct. Martinez had an EqA of .146. Here are the Dodger pitchers that are better hitters than that thus far this season, by EqA:

Kuo (.287)
Schmidt (.232)
Lowe (.203)
Penny (.194)
Wolf (.172)

2007-06-19 12:13:05
71.   StolenMonkey86
62 - I thought they just had the Canadian TBS.
2007-06-19 12:26:19
72.   Bob Timmermann
The Blue Jays are owned by Rogers Communications. They play in the Rogers Centre. Their games are on Rogers Sports.
2007-06-19 12:26:25
73.   Marty
This blog says the Mets are divided racially, leaving Heart and Soul without a side to choose:

Mets Blog says it's hokum, but it's an interesting read.

2007-06-19 12:28:46
74.   weatherman
So, my buddy who works for the Braves Radio Network just called me wishing that the Dodgers would send Billingsly and Hendrickson to the Braves for Andruw. Any thoughts from y'all?
2007-06-19 12:32:19
75.   Bob Timmermann
That trade would be almost, but not quite, really bad.
2007-06-19 12:33:06
76.   bluegold
74. We get Jones, Schmidt comes back from DL good as advertised = World Series. I take it.
2007-06-19 12:36:54
77.   kngoworld
I only like it if that puts Andruw in center and "the player" on the bench. If "the player" is still an every day starter I dont go for it.
2007-06-19 12:38:28
78.   regfairfield
74 On the plus side, Hendrickson's gone.

On the minus side, if we don't win the World Series this year, Billingsley's gone for pretty much nothing, and Juan Pierre will end up in right field. So, no sale.

2007-06-19 12:40:27
79.   Jon Weisman
The Alyssa interview:

2007-06-19 12:41:20
80.   trainwreck
Well I have heard before that Minaya prefers Latin players. Heck, Carlos Delgado did not want to sign with the Mets because Minaya was trying to appeal to his Latin heritage too much.
2007-06-19 12:41:45
81.   Curtis Lowe
The only player that I would approve of trading Billingsley for is Miguel Cabrerra and even then it would be tough. I say ride out this team then make some splashes in the off season. Maybe Derek Lowe for Ajones(w/extension) plus salty or some other young brave talent.
2007-06-19 12:45:07
82.   Bob Timmermann
Alyssa Milano says Eddie Murray's name!
2007-06-19 12:45:24
83.   Doctor

Trade D Lowe? No way!
He has been awesome for us going on 3 years now and he keeps getting better! At really a bargain price for next year.
2007-06-19 12:47:38
84.   regfairfield
81 But you need to give up talent to get talent. Lowe is actually the guy I'm most willing to give up at the trading deadline. He's gone after 2008 anyway, and the Dodgers have enough of a starting pitching surplus that they could probably survive his loss.
2007-06-19 12:48:24
85.   trainwreck
I would include Billingsley in a trade for Grady Sizemore. It would take a lot for me to give up Bills. Our pitching depth in the minors is not looking as good as it did earlier in the year.
2007-06-19 12:48:56
86.   weatherman
I think we ought to insist on including JP in the trade.
2007-06-19 12:52:01
87.   Curtis Lowe
84 - What I'm thinking is with Lowe gone after 08, hopefully Schmidt gets healthy then we replace Lowe with Scmidt and we have a rotation of Penny,Billingsly,Kuo,Schmidt,Wolf with a hopefull turn around for Miller and a healthy Elbert in minors.
2007-06-19 12:53:06
88.   Doctor
Lets talk about extending Lowe, not trading him.
I don't really see any reason not to give him a 2-3 year extension if it can be done.
Nor do I see even close to enough depth in the Dodgers rotation/farm that makes Lowe expendable.
2007-06-19 12:54:31
89.   silverwidow
Trading the best young pitcher in the entire organization for two months of Jones would be beyond foolish. Not to mention the fact that Andruw is sporting a horrid line of .205/.303/.394

Not happening.

2007-06-19 12:55:30
90.   JoeyP
The number one priority should be extending Brad Penny's contract, then selling high on Derek Lowe.
2007-06-19 12:56:59
91.   Eric Stephen
79 From the article, "[Milano] does occasionally get irritated, though, like last week when an ostensible sports journalist asked her, "How many athletes have seen your tattoos."

This has to be T.J. Simers, right?

2007-06-19 12:57:15
92.   D4P


2007-06-19 12:57:55
93.   JoeyP
Not to mention the fact that Andruw is sporting a horrid line of .205/.303/.394

Thats actually a big reason to trade for Andruw Jones. He's not going to be that bad all year. I'd rather buy players when they are due for an up turn, rather than guys that are having career years that are inevitably going to regress "hendrickson".

2007-06-19 12:59:19
94.   trainwreck
Penny has not even had a full season of success for us yet. Plus, he is likely to get fat in the future.

We do not have the depth to get rid of Lowe. Elbert has a shoulder injury and shoulder injuries are the ones to really worry about when it comes to pitchers. Kuo has had two TJ surgeries, and Schmidt looks like his arm is shot.

2007-06-19 12:59:21
95.   Doctor

Did you by chance notice the entire second half of 2006?

Or is that sarcasm?

2007-06-19 12:59:42
96.   regfairfield
87 It should also be noted that as of right now there's an absurd amount of good pitching available after 2008. Most notably, Peavy, Santana and Sheets. Also, given the way Kershaw is developing he could be ready by 2009. Combine this with either a token depth signing or some guys like Houlton and Stults, the Dodgers rotation should be fine.
2007-06-19 13:00:56
97.   trainwreck
Frankly, we cannot get rid of any possible starters that aren't named Tomko and Hendrickson.
2007-06-19 13:02:13
98.   JoeyP
88--Extending pitchers past the age of 35 seems awfully risky.

Lowe just turned 34, and next year being his last year at 35--seems like a good time to walk away from the table knowing you got the guy's best years.

2007-06-19 13:02:55
99.   trainwreck
The market for those pitchers will be insane and who knows our chances with any of them, plus planning around Kershaw being ready is just too risky.
2007-06-19 13:07:56
100.   Eric Stephen
88 There is no reason to extend Derek Lowe now. He has been very durable, and pretty good for the Dodgers, but he's already under contract through his age 35 season (2008). Extending him beyond that, especially at the going rate for starters now, for ages 36-38 seems a bit risky.

But, let's say you do resign Lowe before he hits free agency. Again, the Dodgers have through 2008 to do so. If they wait until next year, they will have a better idea of:

1) Lowe's effectiveness, going forward
2) Billinsgley's role (hopefully it's more of a "can he take over the ace role" discussion rather than "is he a starter or reliever")
3) Kuo's health and effectiveness
4) The health/development and ETAs of Elbert, Orenduff, Kershaw, Morris, et al

Plus, Johan Santana is a free agent after 2008. If the Dodgers are going to spend the money on a starter, why not go for the gold?

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2007-06-19 13:09:03
101.   Doctor

I don't know- the guy has been fairly injury free, pitches with a very smooth/effortless delivery, and doesn't rely on power. I could easily see him pitching into his late 30's very effectively. There is no sign of any decline at this point. I guess we have some time to sort it out....

2007-06-19 13:10:02
102.   JoeyP
96--Imagine a 2009 rotation of:


If Bills is a 4, and Kuo's a 5--thats a rotation that has the potential to be amazing. However, it still remains to be seen whether Kershaw/Billz/Kuo arms can hold up for 180+ innings.

2007-06-19 13:11:04
103.   regfairfield
99 Fair enough. If you were going to trade a good player to get a good player, who would you give up?
2007-06-19 13:11:53
104.   Doctor

True- we could do it next year, I was mainly against TRADING him.

2007-06-19 13:11:54
105.   Humma Kavula
102 A lot has to go right for that to be the Dodgers' 2009 rotation.

That said: Dare to dream!

2007-06-19 13:14:12
106.   Telemachos
99 While there are no certainties, one of the best ways to spend some serious free-agent $$ (IMHO) is to target an All-Star power pitcher either at the top of his game or still climbing. I would consider Peavy, Sheets, and Santana all in that category. If some of the dead-weight comes off the Dodger books in '08 (either through retirements or trades) I see no reason why the Dodgers couldn't or shouldn't be a major power for any of those arms.
2007-06-19 13:14:24
107.   trainwreck
I honestly do not think there is going to be a good deal out there this year. I would like to get Teixeira, but with Boras as an agent he will hit free agency.
2007-06-19 13:14:38
108.   Nagman
Today's lineup is up at ItD. Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.

The DH is not Kemp, Loney, or Saenz, or any other regular.

2007-06-19 13:15:27
109.   trainwreck
We should be a player, but who knows what can happen. They could all re-sign or just have preferences. All I know is that I do not want to give any pitcher a 7 year deal like Zito got.
2007-06-19 13:16:07
110.   Bluebleeder87
Lowe just turned 34, and next year being his last year at 35--seems like a good time to walk away from the table knowing you got the guy's best years.

he's a sinker baller, i'd sign him for 2 years take it or leave it. He's been our only steady pitcher for the past 3 years.

2007-06-19 13:16:15
111.   El Lay Dave
90 The number one priority should be extending Brad Penny's contract, then selling high on Derek Lowe.

Seems like this could be called something like the Milano-Hughes plan. Or would that be exactly the opposite?

2007-06-19 13:16:27
112.   ToyCannon
I agree, planning on a rotation that has one pitcher two years removed from TJ surgery(Wolf), one who has had two TJ surgery's(Kuo), one who was the worse pitcher in the NL in the 2nd half in 2006(Penny) and one who hasn't even started one game in 2007(Billingsley) and saying we have pitching depth seems bizarre. Last I looked Elbert is down and out. Morris is down and out. Kershaw is a long ways off. So our depth consists of Tomko/Hendrickson/DJ Houlton and nothing else at the moment. McDonald is in High A and not very close to the big show. Morris and Elbert may come back very healthy or they may join the long list of prospects who while able to pitch are just not able to pitch at the level that made them number one picks in the 1st place. Zach Hammes is back to starting. Counting on free agents is fools gold. We have no idea if any of them want to pitch for us. Considering the hindsight comments being hurled at Ned over Schmidt how do you think a Sheets signing would go over? Santana will be way out of our ballpark. Until we see what is up with Schmidt I don't see how we can trade anyone in our current rotation. Sure we can send the flotsam (tomko,hendrickson) but that won't bring anything.
2007-06-19 13:17:49
113.   Eric Stephen
I would probably give up Billingsley and one of Loney/LaRoche to get Miguel Cabrera, with the remaining player of Loney/LaRoche as the future/current first baseman.
2007-06-19 13:18:10
114.   twerp
Is Boras Lowe's agent?

Also, good feature on radar guns, their pros and cons, etc.

2007-06-19 13:18:59
115.   silverwidow
Santana will cost at least 6 years/$150M
2007-06-19 13:19:00
116.   ToyCannon
Grady is in bizarro world.
2007-06-19 13:20:05
117.   Humma Kavula
108 Wow.
2007-06-19 13:20:13
118.   Curtis Lowe
I understand Anderson DH'ing seeing as how Mcgowan has been owning Righties but why ot Loney in there for Nomar if that's the case. Stupid wall.
2007-06-19 13:23:02
119.   Doctor
Ok, i looked at the line-up....

Seroiusly- who is in charge here?

2007-06-19 13:23:45
120.   Humma Kavula
119 A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of Little minds.
2007-06-19 13:23:54
121.   underdog
I don't think today's line-up is that bad - and was certainly not expecting Loney to be in there so soon (hopefully he can play this series though). I'd actually take Anderson over Saenz - I know that sounds like sacrilege, but Saenz is valuable as a pinch hitter and hasn't done diddly as a DH for the Dodgers. He'll get a start there on the trip, though, and, bless his heart I hope he does well. Anyway, hope Kemp gets some action this series, too. Notice no Betemit in there today? He looked awful in the last game.
2007-06-19 13:24:43
122.   underdog
Yeah, I really think Loney would be in there today if not still recovering from his collision. Expecting him to play today seems unrealistic.
2007-06-19 13:24:55
123.   Michael D
I don't want to sign Santana as strange as it may seem. He's going to require a ton of money at a lot of years, all of which will be on the wrong side of 30 by the time he starts collecting on the paychecks.
2007-06-19 13:25:17
124.   GobiasIndustries
Sure we can send the flotsam (tomko,hendrickson) but that won't bring anything.

I think that should be the new nicknames for Tomko and Hendrickson............Flotsam & Jetsam. Anyone agree?

2007-06-19 13:25:31
125.   D4P
The Furcal, Pierre, Nomar trifecta at the top of the lineup is dead to me.
2007-06-19 13:26:26
126.   D4P
BTW: I'm getting killed in the "Who's the Biggest Dodger Hater" contest over at ItD.

joeyp - 1152 votes
D4P - 13 votes

2007-06-19 13:28:11
127.   ToyCannon
No one expected Loney to play today. I think everyone expected Kemp or Saenz or Betemit and not Marlon the Magicican considering he wasn't exactly tearing up AAA. Hey, it worked last Sept but I don't think you can go to that well again. Better for me since I have McGowan going in all my leagues.
2007-06-19 13:28:27
128.   Eric Stephen
121 Being a DH is like pinch-hitting 4 times! By starting Saenz over Anderson, you reduce your need for a pinch hitter later since your offense will be better for the whole game.

My preferred order of Dodger DHs (assuming the rest of the lineup today):

1) Kemp
2) Loney (if healthy)
3) Saenz
4) Betemit
5) Mueller
6) Duncan
7) Anderson

2007-06-19 13:29:06
129.   GobiasIndustries
That's what I'm talking about!
2007-06-19 13:29:26
130.   Michael D
What we should have done is DH Martin and catch Lieberthal, giving Martin 3 full days off from catching. Anderson as DH is just, dumb. Unless there is some sort of match up aspect I'm missing here.
2007-06-19 13:30:19
131.   El Lay Dave
Josh's first post today is unintentionally ironic?

*Chance to chat with Tommy Lasorda today at 2 p.m. PT...hope you'll join in.

And as I posted in the comments of the last entry, there will be no further warnings regarding bad language or quasi-bad language on the site (@#&!).*

Guess he didn't comment on Bevacqua.

2007-06-19 13:32:39
132.   El Lay Dave
128 On this road trip, I'd like to see some of the regulars DH to get a 1/2 day off, particular the age brigade (LuGo, Kent, Nomar), and Russell Martin. Then Loney, Kemp, Abreu can start and field.
2007-06-19 13:32:49
133.   ToyCannon
He's LH and he didn't look bad in his last game. Yeah Baby, let us put him in the lineup and we can use Kemp as a defensive replacement for Gonzo instead of using Kemp in LF to start the game and Gonzo as a DH. Bloody brilliant
2007-06-19 13:33:41
134.   El Lay Dave
Why not Betemit at 3B, Abreu at 2B and Kent DHing today?
2007-06-19 13:34:08
135.   twerp
This may be why Anderson--

2007-06-19 13:34:29
136.   ToyCannon
By making fun of this move I have guaranteed that Marlon gets two hits tonight
2007-06-19 13:34:49
137.   trainwreck
Stop using logic people.

Toronto can't handle our veteraness!

2007-06-19 13:35:42
138.   JoeyP
I'm not sure why Grady would play both Abreu/Anderson ahead of Betemit.

Escobar can make a lot of hitters look bad. Its pretty insane to start Abreu ahead of Betemit, especially considering how good McGowan is against RHP.

2007-06-19 13:35:56
139.   Curtis Lowe
137 - When I grow up I want to be a Veterenarian...
2007-06-19 13:36:27
140.   ToyCannon
Because Betemit looked bad against a guy who has struck out 22 hitters in the last 17 innings. Abreu of the disapearing bat however gets to play because he makes contact when making outs.
2007-06-19 13:36:43
141.   D4P
By making fun of this move I have guaranteed that Marlon gets two hits tonight

But by saying that, you've guaranteed an ofer.

But by saying that, I've guaranteed that Marlon gets two hits tonight.

But by saying that...

2007-06-19 13:37:15
142.   JoeyP
126--Dont worry. I'll throw some votes your way.
2007-06-19 13:38:27
143.   Bluebleeder87
ToyCannon i'm almost positive you have Vlad Guerrero on your fantasy league cause you had a puzzled face when him & Saito went head to head, am i correct?
2007-06-19 13:39:38
144.   trainwreck
I hope Glaus strikes out in every at bat tonight.
2007-06-19 13:39:44
145.   underdog
I'd like to see Martin DH and Lieberthal catch as well - we may see that one of next two days. With three righties in a row, though, options are a little limited. I guarantee you when Loney is ready he'll be in there. The thing is, Saenz doesn't do much vs. righties - or does his .189 average impress ? - and particularly hasn't done anything as a DH for the Dodgers. I don't understand why this is so mysterious with a righty going tonight. Guess I'm in the minority. Also, I would like to see Betemit get another start but I don't blame them for benching him today - he looked truly awful at the plate on Sunday. It was like he was facing Bugs Bunny and his powerful paralyzing perfect pachyderms percussion pitch.
2007-06-19 13:40:50
146.   ToyCannon
My favorite player against my favorite team always jumbles my brain waves. Only in 1974 was my brain completely aligned with what was happening on the field.
2007-06-19 13:41:53
147.   Bluebleeder87

I bit my tongue & asked some legit stuff, hopefully the question will get answered.

2007-06-19 13:45:59
148.   Bluebleeder87

it was classic i wished i would have taken a picture of your face.

2007-06-19 13:48:04
149.   ToyCannon
Kemp in LF, Gonzo at DH is the best option as long as JP is going to play. Period.
2007-06-19 13:49:03
150.   El Lay Dave
149 I'm for that. Kemp is not here to bat only against LHP; tonight's as good a time as any.
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2007-06-19 13:54:57
151.   overkill94
I'm okay with Abreu over Betemit as long as it's just for today. Wilson had started the last five in a row, so you might as well get Abreu some action once in a while. I'm sure Sunday's performance was part of the reason, but as long as it didn't result in a long-term benching then I'm okay with it.
2007-06-19 13:55:25
152.   underdog
I agree with that, actually, Gonzo should get some DH-ing in. Okay, that's my first choice. Then the current line-up comes in a distant second for tonight only. Kemp in the field, Gonzo at DH, and Loney at 1st when he's healthy works even better.

Who's JP again? ;-)

2007-06-19 13:57:26
153.   El Lay Dave
Also - and I realize FieldTurf is better than the old Astroturf - the Toronto and Tampa Bay games are all on the artifical stuff. Isn't that more reason to get one of LuGo, Kent, Nomar off of the defense and into the DH slot?
2007-06-19 13:57:46
154.   Bluebleeder87

I would have been cool with it if it were Saenz, Lieberthal or Gonzo in the DH spot, but Anderson!? he hasn't seen quality ML arms in a long while.

2007-06-19 13:58:56
155.   Doctor
Anderson simply must be played 'till his numbers as a Dodger revert to his career mean. Its that simple. Lets get it over with already.
2007-06-19 13:59:53
156.   Bluebleeder87

Gradys brain is having a hick up with this AL thing it looks like.

2007-06-19 14:01:21
157.   Bob Timmermann
And we used to love Marlon so...
2007-06-19 14:02:15
158.   Nagman
And we laughed when the Padres used Geoff Blum as their DH.
2007-06-19 14:03:49
159.   Kevin Lewis
I know this is a dangerous question, but does anyone know if Derek Lowe is happy in LA? Would he even want to sign an extension? It seems that could be a good reason to trade for something.

However, I have loved his performance this year, so I want him to stay.

2007-06-19 14:04:44
160.   jasonungar07
5 teams in baseball have scored less runs than us so it's hard to even care what lineup he puts out there anymore. As long as Derek Lowe and Brad Penny throw 2.50 era ball over there next 200 combined innings like they have so far, we will be fine.
2007-06-19 14:06:51
161.   Kevin Lewis
This lineup has me back to being more excited about our 5-8 guys versus the 2-4 guys.
2007-06-19 14:10:14
162.   ToyCannon
We will score more runs. At some point Furcal will do his normal thing and JP will get Figgins hot for a brief period. Nomar will either hit or be replaced and the same for Ethier. The Bison didn't come here to munch in the meadow, he's ready to rumble.
2007-06-19 14:10:46
163.   underdog
This was posted on Tony Jackson's blog a few minutes ago:
"The Dodgers have signed sixth-rounder Justin Miller, seventh-rounder Danny Danielson and 14th-rounder Devin Fuller, all pitchers, as well as eighth-rounder Alex Garabedian, a catcher, and ninth-rounder Jamie Pedroza, an infielder."
2007-06-19 14:10:57
164.   Eric Stephen
In his storied Dodger career, Marlon Anderson has hit a robust .341/.402/.683 (172 *OPS+) in 93 glorious PAs. There is your DH!

Sure, his career line is .267/.316/.393 (85 *OPS+), but why let 3,672 plate appearances cloud your judgment?

Fact: Marlon Anderson started September 18, 2006. Without him, 4+1 is 3+0!

159 Carolyn Hughes lives in LA, so I'm guessing Lowe likes it fine.

2007-06-19 14:13:59
165.   Kevin Lewis
Wasn't there a time that DT was considered the negative blog? Now I get all my positive thinking from here and the whining from ITD.
2007-06-19 14:16:00
166.   Bluebleeder87

i've heard about that also, i'd just make him a respectable offer & if he likes it cool if not thanks for the memories.

2007-06-19 14:19:10
167.   Bob Timmermann
Derek Lowe will choose what team to sign with as a free agent after going through all the Fox Sports regional networks and checking out the female reporters.

But only Fox Sports. He won't go out with anyone from NESN, YES, or MASN.

2007-06-19 14:20:32
168.   trainwreck
I have pretty much been that way all season.
2007-06-19 14:20:43
169.   Jon Weisman
New post at Screen Jam.

165 - "Wasn't there a time that DT was considered the negative blog?"

Only erroneously. In the past 59 months, it's never been all good or all bad.

2007-06-19 14:21:23
170.   trainwreck
So he chooses the Yankees so he can get the ESPN broadcasts with Erin Andrews?
2007-06-19 14:21:59
171.   ToyCannon
I wonder what ITD would have read like in Aug/2005?
2007-06-19 14:23:38
172.   Bob Timmermann
Despite Ms. Andrews considerable ... charms ..., I would never go out with a University of Florida alum.


No matter what.

I need to give someone a fail-safe order on this in case I'm tempted.

2007-06-19 14:24:17
173.   Bob Timmermann
"It's great to see that nice Mike Edwards get a shot at the big leagues!"
2007-06-19 14:25:23
174.   underdog
165 I think the discourse on ItD's comments has turned unduly harsh and nasty, never mind positive vs. negative. (There are people who post in both places of course, and plenty of goodhearted, reasonable people there, too.) DT isn't exactly Pollyanna-ish, but at least people here can agree to disagree and not resort to mudslinging - in part, I'm sure due to Jon's diligence as moderator and that the people here are an agreeable, if occasionally grouchy, lot. (imho) Postings here can get pretty negative about the Dodgers, too, but, again, usually not crossing any line. We all want the Dodgers to win, and most of us think we know what's best. Sometimes there's just a difference as to what that is. But anyway, yeah, on ItD it's kind of sad when it gets a little mean-spirited.
2007-06-19 14:26:43
175.   underdog
171 "Why didn't the Dodgers give Norihiro Nakamura another shot?"
2007-06-19 14:28:49
176.   Bob Timmermann
Nakamura has an 861 OPS with the Chunichi Dragons this year.
2007-06-19 14:29:50
177.   Dodgers49
44. with 7-11 (the convenience store) to have all their evening home games start at 7:11.

Our AAA team in Las Vegas has a similar deal.

2007-06-19 14:34:40
178.   trainwreck
So no Gator alums, but USC alums are fine?
2007-06-19 14:35:10
179.   Eric Stephen
171 "I hear Milton Bradley is more relaxed now that he has the financial security of his lucrative endorsement deal with Dasani."

"Man, that was a well written, fair, logical and completely reasonable article by Bill Plaschke today."

"It's going to be hard to unseat Dioner Navarro from his catching job."

2007-06-19 14:37:35
180.   Kevin Lewis

Jon, I realize how that sounded. I never meant that it actually was, but that people saw it as such since it wasn't all rose colored all the time. I drifted over from ItD last year, and I have never looked back. No fault to Josh, but I get so much more from the discussion here, and much of that is because of you and your investment in the blog.

2007-06-19 14:41:08
181.   StolenMonkey86
I think a lot of what makes this blog different is that there's so much more rapid-fire response. That, and you can reference comment numbers and actually discuss. It makes it less likely for hit and run commenting.
2007-06-19 14:41:55
182.   StolenMonkey86
171 - It's time for, scenes from a hat!
2007-06-19 14:41:58
183.   Jon Weisman
180 - I took no offense. Just saying that whoever gave it that consideration wasn't being fair or accurate.
2007-06-19 14:45:31
184.   underdog
182 Heh. "Things Your Former Manager Might Say in Bed."
{insert Ryan Stiles impression of Jim Tracy here.}

Actually, a better improv game for Tracy might be "Questions."

2007-06-19 14:49:09
185.   Humma Kavula
179 "It's going to be hard to unseat Dioner Navarro from his catching job."

This was actually said. I remember the line in the LA Times: "Dioner. As in De Owner of De Area behind De Plate."

2007-06-19 14:57:03
186.   DodgerBakers
174. I like Dodger Thoughts better than ItD because it seems that in general the posts are more thought out, contain far fewer personal attacks (against players and other posters), and use more facts and stats to back statements up.

No slight to the ItD crew, I think each blog simply serves a different audience.

2007-06-19 15:00:17
187.   bigcpa
This lineup is infuriating on many levels. Our best regular hitter vs. RHP can't crack the lineup even with a DH slot. And Matt Kemp's 15-35 start isn't enough to win playing time over Marlon Anderson. Sorry but this is the kind of lineup that makes me wish for 0's.
2007-06-19 15:04:36
188.   trainwreck
Maybe the Dodgers can trade for Kobe. He seems to be available.
2007-06-19 15:05:58
189.   Jon Weisman
New thread up top.
2007-06-19 15:05:59
190.   underdog
187 "Our best regular hitter vs. RHP can't crack the lineup even with a DH slot."

Who is that? Betemit?

2007-06-19 15:07:10
191.   Eric Stephen
188 Too bad #24 is already retired (Walt Alston). I'm guessing Saenz would give up #8 for a cheeseburger, though.

If the Dodgers did trade for Kobe, that would really add a new layer to the Jordan comparisons.

2007-06-19 15:11:06
192.   underdog
Ah, never mind, I see it's Kemp. Yeah, in 26 ABs vs RHP this year, he's got a swollen 1.079 OPS. He should have started today, you're right. Maybe they lost his bags with his contacts in it again.
2007-06-19 15:14:12
193.   overkill94
BTW, a big thank you to whoever recommended AVG anti-virus earlier. It was able to get rid of whatever had been ailing my IE which had eluded all other anti-virus software I had used before (admittedly it was an out-of-date Norton from 2005).
2007-06-19 15:17:43
194.   bigcpa
190 I meant Betemit yes- .842 OPS vs. RHP.
2007-06-19 15:19:55
195.   underdog
194 Well, I think Kemp deserves it even more. But I see your point! Again, I think Betemit is partially being sat because of how awful he looked at the end of the Angels series. Who knows, maybe Mueller is working with him on something and they'd rather he come off the bench again for a day or two. I don't mind Abreu's bat but don't like his fielding at third over Betemit.
2007-06-19 15:40:08
196.   bigcpa
195 Betemit seems to be judged on one or all of these criteria:

1) low batting avg
2) high strikeout rate
3) small samples

If you handed out playing time on this basis you would play Pierre, Nomar everyday too.

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