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2007-06-19 16:49
by Jon Weisman

Mostly bad news from the Dodger medical ward, courtesy of Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise.

Jason Schmidt will have exploratory arthroscopic on his right shoulder tomorrow in Los Angeles, as doctors try to find out what exactly is wrong with it. Chad Billingsley will return to the rotation and take Schmidt's previously scheduled start on Thursday. Not only is his velocity down, but also he reported pain after his last start.

Yhency Brazoban has a torn labrum and will undergo surgery to repair his shoulder Friday. He is out a minimum of 6-8 weeks, and that's only if it's found that the tear is a small one. He would be lost for the season if the labrum was completely detached.

Ramon Martinez remained in Los Angeles to see a spine specialist and should resume baseball activities in a couple days.

James Loney is questionable for today's game and probable for tomorrow.

Chin-hui Tsao will throw again off a mound tomorrow and is nearing a return.

Schmidt wins this year's Eric Gagne Award for fooling everyone and no one all at once. Yes, Dr. House - everybody lies.

On the bright side, the Dodgers knocked out Toronto's Dustin McGowan, who allowed six runs on 65 pitches in 1 2/3 innings.

And Billingsley is in the rotation ... exciting.

Update: "Randy Johnson has a herniated disk in his surgically repaired back, raising questions about when he'll return to the Arizona Diamondbacks' rotation," reports The Associated Press. Not to mention the fact that "Red Sox starter Curt Schilling was sent back to Boston on Tuesday to get an MRI exam on his right shoulder."

Comments (375)
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2007-06-19 16:53:28
1.   Rob M
new game chat!
2007-06-19 16:54:15
2.   Jacob L
Is this thing on?

Interesting move, new game chat in the second inning.

2007-06-19 16:54:20
3.   Humma Kavula
And as soon as the game chat moves, a big Blue Jay hit/possible Pierre flub (hard to tell from the radio).

Coincidence? I think so!

2007-06-19 16:54:27
4.   Xeifrank
Looks like Penny is coming back out. There goes my theory. 7 pitches and a 91% win expectancy. Let Hendrickson and Tomko finish the game and bring Penny back to pitch wednesday or thursday. Crazy, eh!?
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 16:55:11
5.   underdog
Argh, just when I was starting to feel okay with Pierre!

Not that it was an easy play mind you (and I understand the worry about colliding with the wall), but he still could have had that one. Sheeeez. Oh well. I thought that was gonna be out of there at first, was ripped.

C'mon Brad, don't let them back in it.

Re: the injury news - good to have Bills starting and Tsao close to coming back, at least. There's the good side.

2007-06-19 16:55:57
6.   Jacob L
Also, Jon, sorry that you didn't go with my analogy from the last thread.

Schmidt wins the Andy Ashby award for signing a contract for the first 3 years of his retirement, but I suppose that's a bit grim, isn't it?

2007-06-19 16:56:54
7.   Eric Stephen
The magic of Merlin:

Coming into tonight, since the Dodgers have acquired Marlon Anderson, the team has scored 4.58 runs/gm in 98 total games (56-42 record).

In games that Merlin has started, the Dodgers have averaged 6.5 runs/gm in 16 games and have gone 12-4.

Tonight: 6 runs in 2 innings!

Coincidence? I think not. :)

2007-06-19 16:56:54
8.   underdog
3 It was a deep fly ball, crushed to the deepest part of centerfield. Pierre ran it down but took one misstep at the end - he could have taken one more step but thought he was gonna crash into the wall. Then he did get his glove on it by stretching but couldn't quite grab it in.

C'mon Penny, don't let them back in it!

2007-06-19 16:57:51
9.   underdog
Gotta run for awhile. Fingers crossed they don't let the Jays back in it.
2007-06-19 16:59:11
10.   blue22
Mostly bad news from the Dodger medical ward

Schmidt/Brazoban go under the knife - Bad News.

Loney/Tsao near return - Good News.

Ramon Martinez to resume baseball activities - ___ News?

2007-06-19 17:00:52
11.   Jon Weisman
6 - Tha analogy doesn't work because the upsides don't even come close to each other.
2007-06-19 17:02:33
12.   blue22
Why didn't Glaus score from third on a fielder's choice/out at 2nd?
2007-06-19 17:02:38
13.   Gen3Blue
For many franchises, that Schmidt signing would be a death knell, but it means little to us thank god!
I thought I was unigue in little league, but watching Pierre and his predecessor(mental block on his name) do an impressive job of getting to deep drives and then dropping them I don't feel so special.
2007-06-19 17:03:27
14.   Xeifrank
Holding steady at a 90% win expectancy. It will be exciting to see Guo and Billingsley pitch in back to back games. Guo will be pitching as an underdog vs Halladay and the Dodgers should be slight favorites in Billingsley's outing. vr, Xei
2007-06-19 17:03:55
15.   Jacob L
I guess this type of game is one of the bigger differences with the AL. The Jays can leave their mop up guy out there forever, if they so choose.
2007-06-19 17:03:57
16.   Eric Stephen
13 Lof-ton!

(It works better if you say the name like the thug in Pee Wee's Big Adventure said "Buxton.)

2007-06-19 17:05:32
17.   Curtis Lowe
Abreu looks lost lately.
2007-06-19 17:06:04
18.   lab rat
Just to clarify for my scorecard...Are we going with the Wade-Giles phonetic of "Kuo," or the Pinyan "Guo'?
2007-06-19 17:07:16
19.   Andrew Shimmin
18- Some go one way, some go t'other.
2007-06-19 17:07:35
20.   Jacob L
18 I think safe to say there's no consensus here.
2007-06-19 17:08:23
21.   JoeyP
Abreu's not lost.
His swing at everything approach is the same now as its been since he came up.
Those batted balls just arent finding the holes now.
2007-06-19 17:09:58
22.   Gen3Blue
16 There you go. The one's I remember it hasn't been a problen getting there, but keeping an eye on the ball when your head has snapped back and forth over each shoulder two or three times.
2007-06-19 17:10:46
23.   Bluebleeder87
i'm forever an optimist so i'm just happy to see Bills back in the starting rotation. I'm sure Schmidt will come back strong.
2007-06-19 17:12:20
24.   Marty
That was a great piece on Reggie by Alex. Reminds me that my first hero was Koufax. If he pitched well (luckily, he did most of the time), I beamed the entire next day. Unfortunately, he was only a short time hero. I started the worship in 1964 and he was done by 1966.

The only time I've ever met Reggie, he was not a very nice person.

2007-06-19 17:13:27
25.   Bluebleeder87

i really hope Mueller preaches patients to our young crop.

2007-06-19 17:13:46
26.   Gagne55
Penny seems to be pitching lazily with the big lead.
2007-06-19 17:13:57
27.   Andrew Shimmin
Good play for Nomar. It would have hit Loney in the chest, but still.
2007-06-19 17:17:55
28.   trainwreck
Our offense is like death by bee stings.
2007-06-19 17:18:19
29.   Jacob L
O.K., its one o dem Juan Pierre games . . .
2007-06-19 17:19:15
30.   Gagne55
Pierre is having a good game. -braces self-
2007-06-19 17:20:09
31.   Gen3Blue
the announcers started a riff about how Zito and Schmidt were the 1 and 2 FA pitchers this year and after discussing Schmidt lost their train of thought. But I looked up Zito and he's doing only fair and if his inertia continues his contract could be even worse.
2007-06-19 17:20:38
32.   Jon Weisman
From AP via

Randy Johnson has a herniated disk in his surgically repaired back, raising questions about when he'll return to the Arizona Diamondbacks' rotation.

2007-06-19 17:20:55
33.   Gagne55
Stolen on a pitchout!! Juan Pierre is teh awesome!! :-D
2007-06-19 17:21:00
34.   Indiana Jon
Looks like another bad outing for Lincecum so far. He can't throw strikes.
2007-06-19 17:21:01
35.   Doctor
The Player is kind of having a monster game here.
2007-06-19 17:21:18
36.   Humma Kavula
I love it when Juan Pierre plays well. He just doesn't do it often enough...

...though, I should note, his good days are becoming more frequent lately.

2007-06-19 17:21:19
37.   Gen3Blue
The bad thing is that all P's plays at first are so close!
2007-06-19 17:22:43
38.   Jacob L
32 You jinxed him ;)
2007-06-19 17:23:17
39.   natepurcell
gonzalez has been pretty good. My bad Ned :)
2007-06-19 17:23:38
40.   Humma Kavula
JP: 2-fo-2, BB, 3 SB, 3 R
2007-06-19 17:24:05
41.   Jon Weisman
38 - I jinxed Helton too. Guess I shouldn't be writing about Matt Kemp.
2007-06-19 17:24:10
42.   natepurcell
also i saw that the dodgers signed Devin Fuller, which is good news considering he was suppose to be one of the tougher signs from our draft class.
2007-06-19 17:25:23
43.   Jacob L
39 It is kinda Ned Colletti Day north of the border, isn't it? If only, say, Randy Wolf was pitching.
2007-06-19 17:25:23
44.   Jon Weisman
If this game is still a blowout by the seventh inning, Loney can go back into the outfield!
2007-06-19 17:26:08
45.   Jacob L
44 Not without a passport. The mounties will get him.
2007-06-19 17:27:17
46.   natepurcell
wow, timothy the enchanter had a rough first inning. Maybe hes not Sabean's Savior with that ERA over 5.5
2007-06-19 17:27:21
47.   Telemachos
Yahoo! Sports still has Hendrickson as the scheduled pitcher for Thursday. :)
2007-06-19 17:27:59
48.   Telemachos
Marlon the Magnificent!
2007-06-19 17:28:50
49.   natepurcell
whoa, Abreu almost hit it out, nice power.
2007-06-19 17:28:54
50.   overkill94
17 Abreu's the man! ;)
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2007-06-19 17:29:04
51.   Andrew Shimmin
More than half of Abreu's hits have been doubles.
2007-06-19 17:29:11
52.   Indiana Jon
Big time control problems. At one point I think he threw about 14 balls and 2 strikes.
2007-06-19 17:29:16
53.   Gagne55
47 Thats not what Steiner said.
2007-06-19 17:29:16
54.   Jon Weisman
2007-06-19 17:29:16
55.   bigcpa
OK we're now stuck with this lineup for a week.
2007-06-19 17:29:42
56.   Jacob L
Such is the state of the Dodgers, that we're marvelling over balls hit "almost" out of the park.
2007-06-19 17:29:51
57.   Jon Weisman
55 - How long did the lineup that pounded the Mets last?
2007-06-19 17:29:54
58.   Telemachos
53 Oh, I know Yahoo's incorrect... I just thought it was amusing.
2007-06-19 17:30:09
59.   Curtis Lowe
That was such a lost looking double.
2007-06-19 17:30:17
60.   Gen3Blue
This is not irrelevent. We can help ourselves by getting into this bullpen as far as we can. We are like 1-20 in American League parks.
2007-06-19 17:30:46
61.   scareduck
Wow -- 3 3 0 3. Do the Dodgers win a prize?
2007-06-19 17:30:47
62.   Gagne55
44 Or the mound. He was an ace pitcher in high school.
2007-06-19 17:31:19
63.   Andrew Shimmin
Pyscho's only 0-6 game

2007-06-19 17:31:46
64.   Jacob L
58 I don't find it amusing in the slightest. The only way I want to see Hendrickson even listed as a starter this week is on some other team.
2007-06-19 17:33:08
65.   Jacob L
Ethier and Furcal are late to the party. Hitters 2 through 7 are 12 for 18.
2007-06-19 17:36:01
66.   scareduck
Rick Monday just realized the Canadians have a different currency than the U.S.
2007-06-19 17:37:03
67.   Bob Timmermann
Sean Casey has homered today, so perhaps there's hope for Nomar.
2007-06-19 17:37:44
68.   Icaros

Think he'll trade me an American dollar for a Canadian one?

2007-06-19 17:38:03
69.   scareduck
64 - ESPN has Bills:

2007-06-19 17:38:17
70.   Andrew Shimmin
66- He probably watched a pirate copy of the new Michael Moore movie, and thinks everything in Canada is free.
2007-06-19 17:39:19
71.   overkill94
If voodoo dolls actually work, look for Nomar to go on the DL with a severed left arm. I just dismembered his bobble head while trying to shove the bat (that had fallen off before I got it) back into its hole.
2007-06-19 17:41:11
72.   Bob Timmermann
I believe a "severed left arm" would probably put you on the 60-day DL at least.
2007-06-19 17:43:07
73.   natepurcell
wow brewers are rocking lincecum. giants fans must be in mourning.
2007-06-19 17:44:46
74.   Bob Timmermann
The long-awaited debut of Lee Gronkiewicz!
2007-06-19 17:44:51
75.   Jacob L
MacGowan, DeJong, and Gronkiewicz.

Insert punchline here.

2007-06-19 17:47:52
76.   spacebrother
...and Gronkiewicz preserves his ERA.
2007-06-19 17:50:29
77.   natepurcell
okay fuller didnt sign, dodgers lied.
2007-06-19 17:51:45
78.   Eric Stephen
Wow, the Blue Jays announcers just praised the Penny - LoDuca trade; one of the very few public supportive comments about the trade:

"That is a trade that has really benefited the Dodgers."

2007-06-19 17:53:52
79.   Jacob L
78 Sure, if you can overlook the fact that it propelled the Marlins to repeat as World Series Champions.
2007-06-19 17:56:07
80.   Bob Timmermann
Anteaters lead the Sun Devils 3-2 in the 6th.
2007-06-19 17:56:18
81.   Indiana Jon
Kershaw gave up a home run and a walk in his 1st inning in the All-Star Game. He did strike out two.
2007-06-19 17:56:29
82.   Jacob L
Gronkiewicz is well on his way to the Hall of Fame.
2007-06-19 17:56:38
83.   natepurcell
from colletti...

"It's a precarious endeavor, because the player you might acquire is 10 weeks into a really down, uncharacteristic year, yet the asking price is as though he's headed to the All-Star Game," he said.

any guesses on who hes talking about?

2007-06-19 17:56:56
84.   Andrew Shimmin
Marlins won the WS the year before the trade.
2007-06-19 17:57:53
85.   Jacob L
84 I know. Kidding.
2007-06-19 17:58:13
86.   godvls
80. Ugh.......what happened to the bats this week?
2007-06-19 17:58:38
87.   Icaros
2007-06-19 17:59:11
88.   Indiana Jon
Are there still a lot of people that don't think that was a good trade for the Dodgers?
2007-06-19 17:59:12
89.   Jacob L
83 Please don't let it be Scott Rolen. I know we had some discussion earlier about Andruw, who could also theoretically qualify for that statement.
2007-06-19 17:59:16
90.   bigcpa
Great- now they're gonna play this Martin kid everyday. Small sample!!
2007-06-19 17:59:16
91.   Connector
All right, Russssss--El
2007-06-19 17:59:42
92.   scareduck
"Gronkiewicz" is apparently the noise a ball makes when it goes over the fence.
2007-06-19 18:00:05
93.   Andrew Shimmin
85- Sorry. I'm slow. I have trouble recognizing jokes unless somebody falls down, or catches on fire, or something.
2007-06-19 18:00:50
94.   bigcpa
71 I severed my Nomar arm as well doing the same thing.
2007-06-19 18:00:52
95.   Jon Weisman
The ToyCannon prophecy fulfilled!
2007-06-19 18:01:12
96.   Jacob L
93 And yet here I am, literally, on the floor on fire, and still can't buy a laugh.
2007-06-19 18:03:11
97.   Indiana Jon
Berkman maybe? Theoretically.
2007-06-19 18:03:13
98.   Bob Timmermann
Kids today don't know funny. I know funny. Jacob L is the Jan Murray of the 21st Century.
2007-06-19 18:03:20
99.   Icaros
Now here's the lineup we wanted to see!
2007-06-19 18:03:22
100.   jtrichey
Can anyone tell me why Lowe isn't pitching Thursday? He pitched last Friday, and Schmidt Saturday. Are we skipping Kuo and pitching Lowe Wednesday or what is going on?
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2007-06-19 18:05:17
101.   Icaros

They're giving Lowe extra rest because they think he's cursed in Toronto and blessed in Tampa.

2007-06-19 18:05:31
102.   natepurcell

Berkman would be amazing but that is a pipe.

2007-06-19 18:07:00
103.   Andrew Shimmin
96- I forgot, I also find the idea of Rick Monday downloading pirated movie torrents really funny. I can also imagine Monday trawling the web to find blog posts without any comments so he can write, "First!!!1!"
2007-06-19 18:08:12
104.   Bob Timmermann
Johan Santana has shut the Mets out through seven, yet has no strikeouts. He has a very low pitch count.
2007-06-19 18:10:14
105.   Lexinthedena
I'll bet it's Rolen...Which helps defensively...and that's Kemp everyday until the deadline, and see if he is the answer....
2007-06-19 18:10:25
106.   Eric Stephen
83 My guess is Scott Rolen, currently hitting .259/.341/.386, certainly a down year for him, because 3B is seen by the organization as the need spot.

If the Dodgers got Rolen, even for nothing other than assuming his salary ($12m/yr through 2010), I would be very upset. Factor in giving up any good young prospects and this moves "The Player II" territory.

I'm holding out hope that he's speaking of Miguel Cabrera, and thinks .335/.403/.611 will be a down year for him as a Dodger. :)

2007-06-19 18:10:31
107.   Bob Timmermann
Santana - 67 pitches through 7
Mets starter Sosa - 71 pitches in 3 1/3
2007-06-19 18:14:40
108.   Bob Timmermann
Sun Devils retake the lead over the Anteaters 4-3 in the 7th.
2007-06-19 18:15:46
109.   Telemachos
Red Alert for Furcal and 0-6. (And guess which Dodger I have in my fantasy lineup today...)
2007-06-19 18:16:54
110.   Icaros
I bowled a 138 in my Dodger Thoughts long-sleeve last night. That's better than average for me.

The only team in my league that doesn't have a name promoting alcoholism or using double entendres with the word "ball" is called The Dude Abides.

2007-06-19 18:18:32
111.   Lexinthedena
110-I would name my team "Sobcheck Security"...
2007-06-19 18:20:02
112.   Icaros
I don't like my team's name, but it was chosen before I joined. If it were my decision, we'd be the Pin Monkeys.

I really like monkeys.

2007-06-19 18:20:33
113.   natepurcell
I think im glad penny is under contract through 2009.
2007-06-19 18:21:42
114.   natepurcell

07:$7.5M, 08:$8.5M, 09:$8.75M club option ($2M buyout)

thats a pretty cheap deal if he continues to pitch the way hes been pitching. I almost feel bad for him.

2007-06-19 18:23:55
115.   Bob Timmermann
Santana is at a Maddux-like, 8 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 81 pitches through 8.

And the Mets have made four errors.

2007-06-19 18:26:09
116.   Lexinthedena
Uh Oh....Hate seeing those Mondesi/Beltre strikeouts...
2007-06-19 18:26:23
117.   Greg Brock
Kemp has still not mastered laying off the breaking stuff away.

In time.

2007-06-19 18:26:47
118.   Doctor
Wow, absolutely horrid AB for Kemp- I guess we cant have it all tonight!
2007-06-19 18:28:16
119.   natepurcell

it wasnt that bad.

2007-06-19 18:29:22
120.   PlayTwo
115-Bob, thanks for the good piece on Landreaux a few days ago.
2007-06-19 18:29:39
121.   Doctor
Watching 2 fat pitches in the middle of the plate and then swinging at a ball low and away at least 6-8" out side of the strike zone isn't bad?
2007-06-19 18:30:53
122.   Hallux Valgus
Dear Charley Steiner,
Please shut up about Alex Rodriguez. If you have nothing if value to add during this blowout, just sit quietly in the corner and color until the game is over. If you stay within the lines, I'll even add it to my fridge!
2007-06-19 18:31:12
123.   natepurcell

the two fat pitches were breaking balls, he was looking for a fastball. he did chase a slider away but he didnt swing at sliders low and away for 3 straight pitches. that is what i would call an absolutely horrid AB.

2007-06-19 18:31:44
124.   natepurcell
the dodgers should call up meloan, hes been pretty awesome at jax.
2007-06-19 18:32:40
125.   Connector
Rudy's throwing smoke tonight
2007-06-19 18:34:20
126.   Lexinthedena
123- I've definatly seen more horrid at bats....just hope he doesn't regress into the Kemp of late last year...
2007-06-19 18:36:49
127.   Doctor
Funny how fast thing change in the majors- 2 weeks ago we had the prospect of The Unit and an unhittable Lincecum in our division race (and Schmidt was looking good). Hopefully this is where depth can give the Ds an edge.
2007-06-19 18:37:15
128.   Lexinthedena
124-How old is Meloan?
2007-06-19 18:39:13
129.   Eric Stephen
128 22 years old. Meloan turns 23 July 11.
2007-06-19 18:43:54
130.   Doctor
123, 126

What im worried about is pitch recognition, not how many pitches he sees at the plate. Not worth over analyzing 1 AB, but I would hope those pitches in the middle of the zone would trigger the "crush this ball into the bleachers" reaction. Have to think he needs to get > 1AB/game if that is going to get better.

2007-06-19 18:44:23
131.   overkill94
Furcal is saved from the ignominomy of the 0-6 in a double digit runs scored game!

Is ignominomy a word?

2007-06-19 18:44:54
132.   Hallux Valgus
I believe it's "ignominy"
2007-06-19 18:45:18
133.   Hallux Valgus
but yours is way more fun to say.
2007-06-19 18:46:29
134.   Greg Brock
131 Close.

"Ignominy" is much more cromulent.

2007-06-19 18:47:14
135.   overkill94
I like my way better
2007-06-19 18:48:00
136.   Greg Brock
135 Me too.
2007-06-19 18:48:51
137.   Greg Brock
We win!
2007-06-19 18:49:30
138.   Lexinthedena
That game felt like it was played in the jet lag zone....weird....
2007-06-19 18:50:14
139.   twerp
How would Gagne look in pinstripes?  Wonder if we'll find out...

About halfway listening to Mets-Yankees Sunday night.  The announcers were talking about what trades might happen, speculating the Yankees might add a reliever, maybe a 1B.  Said the Yankees had plenty of AA pitching to offer.

They didn't mention him specifically as a Yankee target, but there's quite a bit of speculation Gagne's available. 

IF Gagne's healthy, obviously he'd fit the Yankee profile.  Boras as agent wouldn't seem to be a problem.

But he wouldn't close for NYY.  Supposedly one reason he didn't accept the Dodgers' offer was that it didn't guarantee he'd close (really, how could it have; get real).  So that might be a sticking point.

They said he was clocked at 94 the other day, which if so should set up his change just fine.  But reportedly his velocity isn't the same on back-to-back days.

Then again, even with all the chatter about Gagne very likely to be traded, he might not be.

But Gagne in pinstripes....

2007-06-19 18:50:44
140.   Doctor
According to the Jays broadcasters penny now has the best record in the NL in 2005-6. 25-10.
2007-06-19 18:52:41
141.   Connector
134 Define cromulent pls. It isn't in my Webster's Collegiate.
2007-06-19 18:52:45
142.   das411
Hmm so the last three pitchers in this Phils/Indians game appear to be Jose Mesa, Roberto Hernandez, and then Antonio Alfonseca. Could this be the instance of the most combined saves by opposing pitchers?

Or does any Trevor Hoffman outing these days pretty much take care of that record?

2007-06-19 18:57:53
143.   Bob Timmermann
Tampa Bay, still living large against the DBacks. 3-0 in the first.
2007-06-19 18:58:55
144.   Hallux Valgus
142 They definitely have the most combined fingers.
2007-06-19 18:59:38
145.   trainwreck
No one seems to be active on the Griddle thread, so I just want to say that UC Irvine plays some exciting games.
2007-06-19 18:59:55
146.   Greg Brock

2007-06-19 19:00:05
147.   overkill94
142 It's possible that it would be the only time three pitchers with 100+ career saves appeared in the same game.

A more likely record is having three guys with 40+ saves in a season in the same game.

2007-06-19 19:00:34
148.   overkill94
144 That joke never gets old
2007-06-19 19:01:48
149.   overkill94
Another joke that never gets old...

What has 9 arms and sucks?

2007-06-19 19:03:33
150.   Hallux Valgus
an octopus off of Three Mile Island?
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2007-06-19 19:03:58
151.   trainwreck
Def Leppard
2007-06-19 19:08:28
152.   overkill94
151 Ding ding ding!
2007-06-19 19:09:18
153.   Hallux Valgus
dang it! I totally knew that. Jokes? I get jokes!
2007-06-19 19:11:19
154.   Bob Timmermann
Anteaters rally for four in the 8th to tie ASU, 7-7.

The tension is palpable on Jamboree Road.

2007-06-19 19:12:35
155.   overkill94
I've driven on Jamboree Road...I don't reckon there's much tension in those parts.
2007-06-19 19:17:04
156.   Hallux Valgus
apparently, Billy Dee Williams plays for UC Irvine.
2007-06-19 19:21:40
157.   natepurcell
from rosenthal...

The Rangers almost certainly would want right-hander Chad Billingsley in any deal for Teixeira, and probably would target first baseman James Loney and/or outfielder Matt Kemp as well. The Dodgers are deep enough in prospects to make it work.


2007-06-19 19:25:10
158.   overkill94
Good lord, we would have nothing left if we gave up Loney, Kemp, and Billingsley.
2007-06-19 19:26:01
159.   trainwreck
Jamboree is one long road.
2007-06-19 19:26:31
160.   Andrew Shimmin
The Baseball Tonight crew is scandalized that Tom Hicks could have suggested Juan Gone was "probably" using steroids.

158- Andy LaRoche says: Yo' momma.

2007-06-19 19:26:50
161.   natepurcell
if Elbert wasnt injured and Teixeira would sign an extension, I would probably do a elbert, loney and dewitt deal for teixeira.
2007-06-19 19:27:21
162.   overkill94
Considering I saw somewhere (Rotoworld?) that a fair deal from the Yankees end would be Melky Cabrera, Joba Chamberlain, and a mid-level pitching prospect in exchange for Tex, I don't see why we would have to give up that much.
2007-06-19 19:30:04
163.   natepurcell

yankee fans on primer are vehemently against including FTOG Chamberlain in any Tex deal.

2007-06-19 19:31:44
164.   overkill94
160 You know what I mean. I realize our minor league top 10 wouldn't change, but our "under 25" list would take a signifcant hit. I'd think about it if it was one of Billingsley or Kemp included with some B-level prospects, but even then I'm not so sure.
2007-06-19 19:33:31
165.   Bob Timmermann
Does every UC Irvine game turn into the Ron Hunt/Craig Biggio/Carlos Quentin Benefit Game for players hit by pitches?
2007-06-19 19:33:58
166.   Bluebleeder87
thats a pretty cheap deal if he continues to pitch the way hes been pitching. I almost feel bad for him.

Don't ever feel sorry for a 28 year old millionaire Nate, NEVER!.

2007-06-19 19:37:29
167.   Greg Brock
Short of Cabrera (swoon), I don't want to give up Billingsley.

Loney, Ethier, and Meloan for Tex.

2007-06-19 19:39:43
168.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona State has a player named Rocky Laguna.

I applaud his parents for giving him one really cool name.

2007-06-19 19:41:04
169.   overkill94
167 I would go for that
2007-06-19 19:42:58
170.   Greg Brock
Rocky Laguna has an exciting career waiting for him in Chatsworth when his baseball days are over.


2007-06-19 19:43:40
171.   Eric Stephen
167 I'm with Brock. Billingsley stays a Dodger unless Miguel Cabrera (or Johan Santana) is involved.
2007-06-19 19:44:44
172.   overkill94
UCI seems destined to win this game
2007-06-19 19:44:51
173.   Bob Timmermann
What about ASU catcher Petey Paramore?
2007-06-19 19:46:13
174.   Bob Timmermann
I'm guessing that someone gets hit by a pitch this half inning.
2007-06-19 19:47:15
175.   Greg Brock
173 Unless ASU has a player named Karl Hungus, nobody is beating Rocky Laguna.

You can imagine what happens next...
He fixes her cable?

2007-06-19 19:47:17
176.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe a three way deal, shipping out Loney and something else to the Rangers, and Nomar to the Yankees, with the Yankees picking up the rest of the tab for Teixeira.
2007-06-19 19:48:44
177.   Bluebleeder87
i found out earlier today that Richard Nixon was born the same month & day i was (not cool) but i also found out Jimmy Page was also (coolness)
2007-06-19 19:49:03
178.   overkill94
The story is ludicrous
2007-06-19 19:51:42
179.   Bob Timmermann
Marcus Giles hit a 3-run homer.

So that's that in San Diego.

2007-06-19 19:52:11
180.   overkill94
I hope that obese fellow in the UCI dugout is either a coach or a bat boy
2007-06-19 19:56:08
181.   JoeyP
The Orioles have not finished with a record above .500 since 1997.

That is incredible considering the amount of money they've spent.

2007-06-19 19:56:28
182.   overkill94
Good thing UCI didn't have "Windmill" Donnelly as their 3rd base coach
2007-06-19 19:58:59
183.   Bluebleeder87
Iwamura looks like a stud today, Homer, double & single, plus the great leather. 5-1 D-Rays 4th inning.
2007-06-19 20:01:59
184.   Bluebleeder87

The Leading off show (MLB.Com) made a great point today in that they've spent money A LOT of money but not on pitching that's been there down fall in recent years.

2007-06-19 20:02:06
185.   godvls
Unbelievable :(
2007-06-19 20:03:22
186.   godvls
Why would a guy named Preston Paramore - which is bad enough- request that he be called "Petey"?
2007-06-19 20:07:17
187.   natepurcell
Brian Matthews, 19yr old 3b goes yard for Odgen. He was a draft and follow signee from the 2006 draft and he has the tools to become a real, live and kickin prospect!
2007-06-19 20:10:19
188.   CanuckDodger
Rosenthal is a moron. No, the Dodgers couldn't "make it work." And I am astonished that Nate seems to like Rosenthal's idea. We have no room for another first baseman period. Why don't people get that? And giving up Billingsley for anybody would be idiotic. It might be that the best part of Nomar's contract with its no-trade clause is that it keeps us from doing something as stupid as try to get Teixeira.
2007-06-19 20:13:08
189.   CanuckDodger
187 -- Matthews being at Ogden is the biggest reason I don't like Gallagher being there as well. They are close to being the only two guys on that team young enough to have prospect potential, and they play the same position. Makes no sense.
2007-06-19 20:18:35
190.   JoeyP
Canuck, why would you not want Teixeira in his prime?

If the Dodgers payroll is going to be 120 mils, you gotta spend that on something--hopefully good.

2007-06-19 20:19:24
191.   natepurcell

they could switch of 3b and DH. Either way, i think those things have a way of working themselves out.

2007-06-19 20:21:39
192.   trainwreck
I think it is very unlikely Teixeira would sign an extension with any team he was traded to.
2007-06-19 20:40:11
193.   Bob Timmermann
Haven't I always said Iwamura be good in the US?

Haven't I?

No, I never have.

But I thought I could sell it.

2007-06-19 20:45:15
194.   Andrew Shimmin
193- I just assumed that was your post when I saw Iwamura's name. Bluebleeder better watch his back, horning in on your shtick like that.
2007-06-19 20:49:50
195.   CanuckDodger
190 -- I could write a book in response to this post, with all the issues it brings up.

It's never just about whether player X is or isn't peachy-keen. It's about (1) whether you already have an immovable object blocking him at his position (we have that -- Garciaparra); (2) whether you have a great prospect ready at his position who is about 30 times cheaper and under club control much, much longer (we have that -- Loney); (3) whether he has much time before hitting the free agent market (Teixeira doesn't; he can ransom himself off to the highest bidder after next season); (4) whether that player is represented by an agent we can be expected to do business with (Teixeira isn't; his agent is Boras); and (5) whether that player can be acquired at a price in talent that is less desirable than what we are getting in return (Teixeira can't be obtained for that; the Rangers are only moving Teixeira if what they get back is a hell of a lot better than what they are getting rid of, and don't be foolish, 6 pre-free agency years of Billingsley ALONE >>>>> 1.5 pre-free agency years of Teixeira. Billingsley is going to be an ace starter, and soon. Those are scarce. First basemen who hit really well grow on trees by comparison).

For all of the above reasons, Mark Teixeira is practically the "Perfect Storm" of a player the Dodgers should have nothing to do with on the trade market.

A lot of people who post here think Colletti is a blithering imbecile. He will prove to me that he is that if he does what some people here want him to do and trades for Teixeira.

2007-06-19 20:55:17
196.   overkill94
195 I just elaborated on the same thing on a fantasy baseball message board where one poster was calling for Billingsley to be traded for a "proven star hitter". I came back with the same schtick about Billingsley being under control for cheap, only getting Teixeira for a year and a half, etc.

Like others have said, we would have to get a hitter in his prime that is under control for at least two more years (Cabrera, Sizemore, Reyes, etc.) in exchange for someone like Billingsley.

2007-06-19 20:59:19
197.   LADfan in IL
What about Tejada? Can he play 3rd?

Orioles are going nowhere fast, and they still owe him about $30 million or so through 2009.

Perhaps the Dodgers can take the salary off their hands without giving up anything major?

I wouldn't trade any of the crown jewels of the Dodgers system.

Any ideas on this? Would the Orioles be happy just to rid themselves of the contract?

2007-06-19 21:02:32
198.   LADfan in IL
196 Well, they are not going to get one of those 3 that you mention, which means they are not trading Billingsley, which is beyond the smart move. There is absolutely no reason he should pitch for anyone other than the Dodgers, until he proves beyond certainty, that he shouldn't!
2007-06-19 21:03:55
199.   JoeyP
195--Using your logic, then you'd pretty much never trade prospects for star players bc you'd rather just buy the star players in free agency.

I understand that thinking, but I think it'd be difficult to ever get over the hump since if you are always buying big names in free agency--you're losing draft picks.

I think at some point, especially a team like the Dodgers that have a big budget--can and should be able to use their youngsters as currency.

To get the great players, you're going to have give up something now or later.

2007-06-19 21:04:04
200.   Gen3Blue
I thought we had a Toaster melt down earlier. Seems it must have been my provider. It kept me from saying some excessive things.

But still---How riciculous are baseballs guaranteed contracts. Football has gotten out of them. Hockey has reduced the overall structure

I know it has been the owners fault and they deserve what they have, but only Basketball and Baseball have these ridiculous things that capitalism would never allow!

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2007-06-19 21:04:35
201.   CanuckDodger
197 -- The Orioles have always demanded a King's Ransom for Tejada in trade talks in the past, and Tejada has always insisted, when trade rumors have been in the air, that he is not moving off SS.
2007-06-19 21:06:55
202.   LADfan in IL
201 Which explains why he's still an Oriole! And if he continues to enjoy 60-100 seasons at SS, God bless him! Let him rot there till 2010!

It's his loss!

2007-06-19 21:11:31
203.   Bob Timmermann
The Orioles have rallied a bit and it's 5-3 in the sixth and Peavy has been pinch-hit for.

But now it's time for the Padres bullpen to face off against the Orioles bullpen.

Heath Bell vs Rob Bell
Scott Linebrink vs Paul Shuey

You do the math.

2007-06-19 21:13:22
204.   JoeyP
I had seriously thought Shuey had retired.
Amazing he's still around.
Is his best bud Tom Martin also around still?
2007-06-19 21:17:57
205.   CanuckDodger
199 -- You are correct that I don't believe in trading for star players, but there is an exception to that rule: if ALL the prospects you would have to give up in trade are useless to your own team anyway, because they are blocked by players who are better options than them, now and in the future, you might as well get what you can for them.

I definitely prefer signing stars as free agents to trading for them, but you present the free agent option as the only alternative to trades if you want to have star-calibre players. There is another option, and that is growing your own stars within the organization. I think with Logan White in place, we are in a position to have MOST Dodger stars be home-grown. Going forward, we don't have to lose draft picks every year, because we shouldn't have to sign that many people to fill vacancies we can't fill through our own system. You mention the large payroll factor, but home-grown stars don't stay cheap forever, expecially when you are getting to the end of the arbitration years, and it can be expensive to buy out a couple of free agent years with a long-term contract well-ahead of free agency.

2007-06-19 21:20:45
206.   Bob Timmermann
The Orioles bullpen has turned it into an 8-3 lead for the Padres.
2007-06-19 21:25:21
207.   PDH5204
183 Just change the "looks like" to "is" and you're there. And for more of the leather:

2007-06-19 21:26:13
208.   LADfan in IL
205 I agree with you! For example, I asked this question on another Dodger forum, and it went unanswered, so I'll ask it here.

Can you imagine the Brewers team, as it is right now, moving to LA and having the Dodgers resources instead of their own?

I can! In a word, "scary!"

The problem is, will Dodger management ever show the patience necessary to get to that level?

2007-06-19 21:28:54
209.   Daniel Zappala
I'd like to say I drove 1/2 hour south to go see the Orem vs Ogden game, so I could give you a scouting report on Brian Matthews. But I had other things to do. I did hear his first AB on the radio, but I don't even remember what he did!
2007-06-19 21:28:59
210.   Andrew Shimmin
205- It's 2/16/2004, you're the GM of the Yankees. You wouldn't do the ARod deal? Say it's a Quantum Leap situation, and you're going back knowing everything you know now, would you still not do it?
2007-06-19 21:31:59
211.   Andrew Kachaturian
Please excuse this if it's been answered... I looked and didn't see any mention:

Any word on insurance on Schmidt? We may have seen the best we're going to see out of him over the next 3 years, and that's a lot of money.


2007-06-19 21:34:17
212.   Jon Weisman
"We may have seen the best we're going to see out of him over the next 3 years, and that's a lot of money."

I certainly think Schmidt will come back by next year with a better season than he has had this year.

By the way, amid all the talk about Texeira, AP reports he is still out for weeks.

2007-06-19 21:44:21
213.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm not down with Teixeira either. I think he'd be better than Nomar or Loney, this year and next. But I don't like what looks like the price any much more than Canuck.
2007-06-19 21:49:08
214.   CanuckDodger
210 -- That trade was basically A-Rod for Soriano, i.e., star player for star player. That kind of trade is so rare I didn't even consider that scenario, and when those deals happen it is always off-season. I was thinking more mid-season mode. I don't have a philosophical objection to that kind of deal, because it is just about getting a better "fit" for both clubs, with neither team mortgaging its future. But if I were running the Yankees at that time, and the Yankees had Phil Hughes as a prospect at his current level, and the Red Sox demanded both Soriano and Hughes for A-Rod, I would have said no. Hughes would be a deal breaker. And the trade to get A-Rod should be a lesson, really. If ever a team acquiring a star player should have "put a team over the top" and guaranteed World Series victory, A-Rod to the already-powerful Yankees should have been it. That is one more reason why I don't believe in the old "need a guy to put us over the top" theory that is so often used to justify trading away the future. Playoff success is a crapshoot. That Billy Beane quote in Moneyball was on target.
2007-06-19 22:01:06
215.   Greg Brock
The Yankees haven't gotten "over the top" because their entire staff from the halcyon days retired or left or got old and left and came back (Cone, Pettitttee, Wells, Clemens).

They won because of pitching. They signed lousy pitchers. They haven't won the WS since. A-Rod has almost nothing to do with it.

Not wanting to trade Billingsley is spot on. But there are a dozen players worth trading for Teixeira.

2007-06-19 22:01:07
216.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Randy Johnson put the Yankees over the top.

They have many tops to go over don't they?

2007-06-19 22:05:08
217.   Greg Brock
I will add that I don't want Teixeira for the "over the hump" argument. He's a young, switch-hitting first baseman who hits jacks and plays a very nice first base. So what if he costs money in free agency. Sign him.

To quote Eric Gagne, "We're the ....... Dodgers!"

2007-06-19 22:05:53
218.   Greg Brock
216 I believe they have four tops.
2007-06-19 22:06:59
219.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert for the cycle for Hunter Pence.

And canceled.

Stand down.

2007-06-19 22:12:15
220.   CanuckDodger
215 -- But that is not really countering my point, because I agree with what you said about the Yankees and pitching. Focusing on one "star" makes it easy to forget about the other 24 guys on the 25-man roster. You need a good team, not a star, and luck plays such a huge role in the playoffs that sometimes you don't even need a good team, or an Albert Pujols, to win a World Series. You just need a scrappy David Eckstein (wink) and an opponent to self-destruct, like the Tigers self-destructed last year.
2007-06-19 22:16:39
221.   Greg Brock
220 We have starting pitching. We have decent, if slaptastic lineup top to bottom (CF and 1st Base not withstanding). Really good bullpen. Kids that will keep the payroll down while forming the foundation (Billingsley, Kemp, Martin, LaRoche, Kuo, Broxton). The Dodgers will have money to spend and everything set up.

It's not about the "one good player" argument. The Dodgers have a need, Teixeira fills that need, and the team will have money to spend as these pre-free-agency kids play. We're not going for a 65 million dollar payroll here.

It's a great fit.

2007-06-19 22:17:57
222.   Greg Brock
I'll bet we could land Teixeira with Ethier, Loney, Meloan, and another pitcher. Heck, I'd give 'em Kuo.
2007-06-19 22:18:47
223.   Bob Timmermann
2-run game-tying homer in the 9th for Tony Clark against Al Reyes makes it 8-8.
2007-06-19 22:22:18
224.   Eric Stephen
220 Luck certainly plays a role, but in a sense you make your own luck by fielding the best team possible. Over the course of a 162-game season, the luck will even out to some extent and the best teams in general will make it to the playoffs. That's what you build for.
2007-06-19 22:25:59
225.   das411
Al Reyes just threw over three straight times with Hustlin' Eric Byrnes (who has the winning run in his back pocket) on first.

Wow Mark Grace is fun to listen to...aaaaand there is 4 in a row!

2007-06-19 22:26:41
226.   Xeifrank
A come from behind win by the Diamondbacks would give DodgerSims another perfect 4 for 4 night.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 22:27:22
227.   overkill94
221 You're acting like we could automatically sign Teixeira when he becomes a free agent though. As it is, we'd have to trade a buttload of talent to get a year and a half of him. I'm all for paying through the nose in dollars for a guy like Tex, but that's not what we're talking about here.
2007-06-19 22:27:47
228.   das411
Other DBacks announcer: "Every other game tonight is in the books. So y'hear that, Sammy Sosa? Everyone in the world is watching US!"
2007-06-19 22:28:56
229.   Bob Timmermann
Do you have design residue gumming up your keyboard?
2007-06-19 22:31:08
230.   Greg Brock
221 We're talking about both (well, I'm talking about both). I love prospects as much as anybody not named Nate or Canuck, but there is only so long you can fly your flag about how wonderful your farm system is.

Sometimes, you build a farm system so that you have chips to play with. Or you do it to build a great foundation. We've done both.

As far as signing Teixeira, give him the best contract and he signs. Pretty straight forward. We're going to be in great financial shape at that point. We have a lot of dough coming off the books.

2007-06-19 22:32:06
231.   Bob Timmermann
Free baseball in Phoenix!
2007-06-19 22:32:11
232.   Greg Brock
Sorry, 230 was for overkill94.
2007-06-19 22:33:10
233.   overkill94
230 Are you advocating trading for him and then outbidding everyone for him going into 2009? Why not just let someone else trade for him and then sign him when he becomes a free agent?
2007-06-19 22:35:08
234.   Greg Brock
233 Because against my better judgment, I think we have a legitimate shot to get into the playoffs. And he'd help. Sure, it's a crapshoot when you get into the playoffs. But I'd like to have the best team possible when engaging in said crapshoot.
2007-06-19 22:35:10
235.   Andrew Shimmin
If either the Padres or Snakes looked less good, I'd be more sanguine about not making any moves. But somebody's going to come in third in the NL West. And it's going to be sad if it's us. If Colletti will just fix CF, that'll be enough for me. And dump Hendrickson. Those are the two things I want. And maybe bring back Andy LaRoche. But that's it. That's all I've got on my wish list. . .
2007-06-19 22:36:08
236.   Eric Stephen
229 Bob, I don't get it. That was over my head.
2007-06-19 22:37:15
237.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow Alert for the cycle in Phoenix.
2007-06-19 22:38:03
238.   Greg Brock
235 Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

I picked us to win 85 games and finish 3rd. I'd like to be wrong. I'm very often wrong, and usually pretty upset about it. Let's get a happy wrong for Greg Brock.

2007-06-19 22:38:18
239.   Bob Timmermann
"Luck is the residue of design."
-- Branch Rickey maxim
2007-06-19 22:39:30
240.   das411
Did I just hear Mark Grace roar after Brandon Lyon cancelled that cycle alert by striking out Iwamura?
2007-06-19 22:41:47
241.   Eric Stephen
239 I feel stupid for not getting that. Consider my revenge plan aborted.
2007-06-19 22:47:28
242.   das411
and there is no joy in Tampa Bay/St. Pete tonight.

Lots of it in Phoenix though!

2007-06-19 22:49:40
243.   Dodgers49
230. As far as signing Teixeira, give him the best contract and he signs. Pretty straight forward.

But he's a Scott Boras client. Boras' idea of the best contract could be something totally ridiculous and which I might not be willing to pay. Using your logic, we could have had A-Rod years ago if we had been willing to outbid Texas. No way would I trade all that young talent to rent a Boras client for a year and a half.

2007-06-19 22:50:25
244.   overkill94
234 I'm all for trading for him as long as it doesn't involved Billingsley or Kemp as the centerpiece. I already stated way back in the comments that I would go along with the Loney, Ethier, and Meloan trade idea.
2007-06-19 22:51:47
245.   overkill94
Oh yeah, and the Devil Rays bullpen is really bad. Reyes has been the only reliable reliever all year and tonight he throws up a stinker. If ya can't trust Al, who can ya trust?
2007-06-19 22:55:29
246.   Greg Brock
243 No team will give Tex a contract that far out of whack. The Rodriguez contract is always used as an example because it was insane. Teixeira may get a huge contract (as he should), but he won't get 21 million dollars a year. He'll get close to 17 million at the absolute most, and I would pay that. We have almost every other position filled with good, young kids. And we're a big market team. The money will be there.

Dodgers49, I also wanted to tell you how much I appreciate all the links you give us. I'm usually checking 25 other sites, so your focused linking is really appreciated.

244 Consensus, overkill. That's what I'm all about. Brock the consensus builder.

2007-06-19 23:11:05
247.   Xeifrank
Man, the Griddle/Bob is on a roll tonight.
vr, Xei
2007-06-19 23:13:34
248.   bigcpa
246 Where are you stashing Nomar if we acquire Teixeira? Is he having exploratory surgery anytime soon?
2007-06-19 23:15:29
249.   overkill94
246 If Carlos Lee can get over $16 million a year for his age 31-37 years, I think Teixeira can get $20 million for his age 29-37 years. You heard it here first, 8 years $160 million dollars for Tex.
2007-06-19 23:15:42
250.   Dodgers49
246. Dodgers49, I also wanted to tell you how much I appreciate all the links you give us. I'm usually checking 25 other sites, so your focused linking is really appreciated.

Thanks, I appreciate the support. But Jon has asked me to cut back because he felt I was going a little overboard with all the linking. And I've agreed to do that because he's the boss and I feel I should respect the way he wants to run his blog.

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2007-06-19 23:18:16
251.   overkill94
Oh yeah, and the trade you propose makes too much sense so it will never get done. Texas will try to hold out for a franchise player in return and will end up with nothing when they could have received two above-replacement-level position players and a future closer who will cost them peanuts.
2007-06-19 23:18:41
252.   Dodgers49
248. 246 Where are you stashing Nomar if we acquire Teixeira? Is he having exploratory surgery anytime soon?

I'm betting Teixeira will have to learn to play right field because Nomar isn't moving. :-)
2007-06-19 23:19:01
253.   Greg Brock
248 As much grief as I give Ned, even his mustache has to understand what a debacle the Merchandise Man has been at first base this year.

Nomar won't be playing first base next year. He might not even play first base in August. If he does, then the Dodgers don't deserve to make the playoffs on principle.

It's not like the Dodgers are unfamiliar with paying driftwood. I could cite chapter and verse, but it would just depress all of us. Todd Hundley told me not to.

2007-06-19 23:19:38
254.   Bob Timmermann

The Griddle/Bob are going to sleep. They have become separate entities. I can no longer control it.

2007-06-19 23:20:45
255.   Andrew Shimmin
Nomar to the Angles for Jonathon Rouwenhorst and Kasey Olenberger.
2007-06-19 23:21:38
256.   Greg Brock
249 I would still pay that.

250 I must have missed that, or skimmed over it. I'll give you a shiny nickel if you just e-mail me the articles instead of posting them here. If you're not doing it anymore, well, thanks for doing it in the past. It was very nice of you.

2007-06-19 23:22:07
257.   JoeyP
Pecota or Baseball Prospectus took alot of grief for projecting great things for Red Sox 2nd basemen Dustin Pedroia--but so far this season they are right.

He's at .320/.400/.448 in 181 Abs.

2007-06-19 23:22:17
258.   Hallux Valgus
252 remember also that Texiera came up at 3rd.
2007-06-19 23:23:34
259.   Andrew Shimmin
255 addendum- And Grodon Gronkowski. Forgot about Grodon Gronkowski. Grodon Gronkowski is a deal breaker.
2007-06-19 23:23:37
260.   Jon Weisman
250 - Aw, heck, forget I said anything. I didn't realize so many people enjoyed them.
2007-06-19 23:23:43
261.   overkill94
All this talk about teams only dealing good young talent when they have a surplus reminds me how poorly the Devil Rays have dealt with their youngsters. They knew they had Crawford, Baldelli, Young, Gathright, and Dukes going into last year, yet held out for too long and ended up selling Gathright for pennies on the dollar and enduring another injury-riddled season from Baldelli, not to mention more off-the-field problems from Dukes. Considering their need for pitching since their inception, it made sense for them to make a deal with us when we had pitching prospects coming out of our ears. Who knows if they came calling and we scoffed, but all I've heard is that they've been too demanding in their trade negotiations.
2007-06-19 23:23:52
262.   Hallux Valgus
255 Nomar to the Angels for their Robb Quinlan and a new van on which to paint a mural of Martin.
2007-06-19 23:30:43
263.   Greg Brock
261 Bank on the rock solid foundation, and deal away the excess, right? Martin, Kemp, Billingsley, Broxton and Kershaw. Those are the untouchables.

That leaves us with Elbert (hurt), Loney, LaRoche, Hu, Abreu, Young, Kuo, Ethier, Meloan, Mattingly, DeWitt and some other kids.

Any three players from the second list could nab us a beast (or two). Fly the "Look at our farm system" flag forever, or make a move to grab a franchise hitter. I favor the latter.

2007-06-19 23:30:46
264.   overkill94
Why did no one mention that one of the Jeopardy categories tonight was "ho"pourri? That's freakin' hilarious.
2007-06-19 23:33:49
265.   Greg Brock
And it's not like these prospects exist within a vacuum. Logan H. Christ will always bring in more, right? After all, he's Logan White.
2007-06-19 23:34:33
266.   overkill94
263 I'm all for that. Hopefully now that some of our quality talent has "graduated" teams won't be asking for our top prospects regardless of whether what they're giving up is worth it (cough David Wells cough). Now, hopefully we can still give them our top prospects and it will be enough to get something truly useful.
2007-06-19 23:38:13
267.   Greg Brock
266 I totally agree with your Devil Rays comparison. If they had zeroed in on the untouchables, and dealt away the overrated/excess kids, they would be in much better shape.

They would only have to deal with the fact that they are the Devil Rays. Small problem.

2007-06-19 23:40:51
268.   Dodgers49
260. Thanks, Jon.
2007-06-19 23:43:45
269.   JoeyP
Dont the D-Rays have budget constraints though?

I doubt its economically feasible for them to trade prospects for legit talent, even if they wanted too. They seem to be wanting to keep as many kids as possible and see which stick.

Being in the AL East--it probably wont matter though. That division will be owned by the Yanks/Red Sox.

2007-06-19 23:51:19
270.   Greg Brock
269 I can name six hitting prospects for the D-Rays. The only pitchers that matter are Kazmir (steal of all steals) and Jamie/James Shields.

They have eleventeen hitters, and have completely mismanaged which players to keep, and which player to spin off for more pitching. the Devil Rays should have built around three or four solid hitters, and dealt the rest for young pitching. I really like Andrew Friedman, but I'm disappointed with the Devil Rays approach. They're not building toward anything.

2007-06-19 23:56:32
271.   Dodgers49
Off topic: At the times Bill Plaschke just jumped off the Kobe Bryant bandwagon. So, that probably means you can kiss Kobe goodbye. :-)
2007-06-20 00:03:17
272.   Greg Brock
Delmon Young, Carl Crawford, and Baldelli.

Trade BJ Upton last year, and he nets you a solid three starter. Trade Elijah Dukes before he goes crazy (and they knew he was crazy, everybody knew he was crazy), and get a setup man/closer. Trade Jorge Cantu (biggest hot-head since Sonny Corleone), and get a five starter.

Thank Choi the Dodgers prospects haven't been complete mental nightmares. But there is a cautionary tale in there. Somewhere.

2007-06-20 00:05:20
273.   bhsportsguy
19 year old Yosanddy Garcia, a shortstop prospect who played in GCL last year, is back in the GCL and he started off this season with 2 home runs in the pitching duel that kicked off the Dodgers' Gulf Coast League.

Kyle Orr, playing 1st base, also homered in the 16-10 win over Washington.

2007-06-20 00:08:27
274.   Dodgers49
Jackson exits with finger cramp

Poor Edwin Jackson. One out away from his first win of the season and he has to leave the game with a "finger cramp." A finger cramp. Unbelievable!

2007-06-20 00:13:40
275.   Greg Brock
I can't imagine giving up on a 24-year-old kid with a plus fastball and a slurve.

Take thee to a pitching coach.

2007-06-20 00:17:15
276.   overkill94
269 What they should have done is something you hardly see these days - a prospect-for-prospect swap, which is why I said we would have been a good trading partner. While most teams hold onto their top pitching prospects for dear life, they still could have gotten a solid AA pitching prospect for Gathright when his value was at its peak (luckily it wasn't us).
2007-06-20 00:18:30
277.   Dodgers49
Jackson said he had an ultrasound Tuesday that revealed everything was fine.

As of right now Jackson is still scheduled to start against the Dodgers on Sunday. He'll have to defeat Penny.

2007-06-20 00:26:04
278.   Greg Brock
Edwin Jackson vs. Brad Penny will be surreal on a number of levels.

Penny has been a fantastic trade for us. Edwin anchors the "What might have been" contingent.

If only Edwin would have been Edwin before we dealt him.

2007-06-20 00:41:56
279.   xaphor
278. We'll always have Phoenix.
2007-06-20 01:14:17
280.   Dodgers49
>>> But after three years, a player must clear waivers before being sent to the minor leagues, meaning the other 29 teams will have a chance to claim him, for a $1 processing fee, before that player can be sent to the minor leagues. Who says there are no bargains in baseball? <<<

It used to cost $100.00 to claim a player off waivers. Now I learn that under current rules it cost just $1.00.

2007-06-20 06:04:34
281.   Sammy Maudlin
Happy 99th birthday to Billy Werber !!! The original Mr. Hustle is the second oldest ex major league player. Former St. Louis Browns pitcher Rollie Stiles is due to turn 101 on November 17 . The 3rd and 4th oldest ex big leaguers are former Brooklyn Dodgers, Tony Malinosky 97, and Lonnie Frey age 96.
Source: Baseball Reference and Wikipedia
2007-06-20 07:36:36
282.   ToyCannon
You are all wrong on the DevilRays. They have a surplus but they needed to see if BJ was the man or not and now that they have that figured out they will make some moves. They couldnt' trade Baldelli as he was out for 1 1/2 and everyone wanted to make sure he was healthy. They have much more pitching they you all realize. They are loaded up and down the minors in pitching. They are loaded at MI, they are loaded in the outfield. New management is making all the right moves.
1st - Pena, Wigginton, JtD(been banging), Bangston
2nd - Upton, Harris, Iwamura
SS - Harrs, Brignac
3b - Iwamura, Longoria
RF - D Young
CF - Baldelli, BJ Upton
LF - Crawford, Ruggiano
Dukes is gone
SP - Kazmir, Shields, Sonnanstine, Howell, Neiman, (W Davis % McGee High A have higher upsides then anyone in the Dodgers system other then Kershaw), and now David Price, plus about 3 more guys who would make most teams top ten lists.

Don't lump the mistakes of past management on the current regime. It would be like blaming Depo for the moves of Malone. They haven't made a bad move since they took over. At times they have been brilliant.

2007-06-20 07:37:23
283.   ToyCannon
Barret was traded to the Padres for Bowen. Nice upgrade for the Padres. Hopefully he can tick off Peavy and they can go at it.
2007-06-20 07:53:47
284.   Penarol1916
282. I agree with most of what you said, although I wouldn't say that the Rays are loaded at pitching so much as they are nowhere near as bereft as some in this thread have made out, I'd say they are solid. Good to hear about JtD, last I heard, he'd been left for dead.

283. According to the Chicago media, Barrett ticked off pretty much every pitcher on the Cubs staff, the Zambrano incident was just the most public display of his issues with pitchers.

2007-06-20 08:05:09
285.   ToyCannon
They are loaded in the minors but in the past week Hammel/Sonnanstine/Howell all got promoted. They will have some serious growing pains and none of those are aces but they should all be decent roster filler to go around Kazmir, Shields, Neiman, and Price with McGee and Davis two years away from being aces themselves if they continue their progression. Hard to find another organization that has 6 potential number 1 or 2 starters in their organization. We have two in Billingsley and Kershaw that are healhty.

Just saying this team has no need to trade for expensive veteran pitching. They just need to make some good decisions on backfilling the setup man and finding a catcher.

JtD is hitting home runs again but the plate discipline is AWOL.

2007-06-20 08:16:10
286.   ToyCannon
I didn't see if Nate already posted this but Kyle Orr is playing for the GCL Dodgers and last night hit his 1st professional HR playing 1st base. 19 year old Yosanddy Garcia blasted two home runs playing DH even though he's listed as a SS. He is repeating the GCL league.
2007-06-20 08:21:38
287.   still bevens
284 re: barrett

I dont really get this move. I thought Josh Bard was SD's man? His numbers arent amazing, but I dont expect Barrett's numbers to be a significant upgrade once he starts playing regularly in Petco. And SD's rotation and bullpen seems to be getting along just fine and dandy. Why inject a caustic personality like Barrett in there?

2007-06-20 08:23:20
288.   JoeyP
Bard and Barrett will probably be in a platoon of some sort. Barrett also came up as a 3rd basemen, so maybe he'll get some time at 3b with Kouz out.
2007-06-20 08:24:50
289.   Hythloday
286 - see 273

Also the health of pitching prospects is a bit of a fluke isn't it? If you had counted our prospects a couple months ago it would have been 4 with Elbert and Miller.

2007-06-20 08:27:08
290.   Hythloday
At the very least we can surmise that Bard calls a good game. The same can't be said about Barrett though he is a better hitter. Given the choice I'd stick with the better game manager. Stick him as 3rd though and you've removed him from most of those chemistry problems.
2007-06-20 08:29:09
291.   ToyCannon
I would never have counted Miller. He has shown nothing and his problem is mental not physical. You can't not count prospects because they might get hurt but you sure can deduct the ones that are hurt. If Elbert and Morris come back throwing like they did before the surgeries then great but until then they are just ??? while McGee and W Davis are actually pitching. Granted I'm anxious to see what they do in AA just like I'm anxious to see what Kershaw does in High A.
2007-06-20 08:30:38
292.   ToyCannon
The Padres have the Kouz, Headley, and even Branyan at 3b. I doubt if Barret see's anytime there. He is not much of an offensive player if he's a 3b.
2007-06-20 08:33:38
293.   Hythloday
Fair enough on Miller. But my main issue is that whether or not McGee or Davis get injured seems at once somewhat likely and unpredictable. Given that, we should count all the arms in the organization until they've shown that they are either not ace material (like Jackson) or that they can't recover from those injuries. I love Kuo's stuff for example though we could debate what sort of starter he is. With a bit better control--which isn't out of the question--I see him as a 2.
2007-06-20 08:37:11
294.   Hythloday
So then they traded for a backup catcher?
2007-06-20 08:41:02
295.   CanuckDodger
291 -- The reports I have read don't suggest that Miller's control problems are physical at all. Miller says he feels fine, and sure, he could be lying, but until he is proven to be keeping a physical problem hush hush (like Schmidt) I am not calling him a liar. Miller is being talked about as another Rick Ankiel right now within the Dodgers' organization. Miller has developed a mental block that makes throwing a baseball an adventure. It happens to pitchers (Ankiel, Steve Blass), it happens to fielders (Steve Sax, Chuck Knobloch). I just hope the problem is temporary, but maybe it isn't.
2007-06-20 08:41:55
296.   Doctor

Who is a dugout problem. I don't get it either.

Maybe they finally looked at their line up and figured out this luck cant last?

2007-06-20 08:45:23
297.   ToyCannon
True, I love Kuo so I don't put much pressure on him so that he doesn't crush my pysche if he crumbles but his stuff is totally ace like but not many see him as such. These weird bits of wildness still leave me wondering about him but when he's throwing strikes he's awesome. Here's hoping he continues his good ways tonight.
2007-06-20 08:45:43
298.   JoeyP
The Padres are actually trending below their XWL.

If anything, they have been unlucky.

2007-06-20 08:49:08
299.   ToyCannon
Tis a shame. I had the highest hopes for him and EJ when they exploded upon AA at such tender ages. Pitching prospects are the reason I'm bald.
2007-06-20 08:49:31
300.   Greg Brock
I wonder how many pitchers have contracted Blass Disease and come through it alright.

Can anybody think of Blass Disease success stories?

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2007-06-20 08:49:54
301.   Doctor
what is the Giants XWL?
2007-06-20 08:50:26
302.   Greg Brock
Pitching prospects are the reason I'm bald.

I got a hearty larf out of that.

2007-06-20 08:50:34
303.   ToyCannon
Cameron has been on fire after the slow start. Isn't he another CF in the long line of Centerfielders who would have been available this winter?
2007-06-20 08:50:39
304.   Bumsrap
I lean toward not making a big trade. I would like to improve the defense where it can be a long term improvement. Meaning Loney at first and Abreu at second.

I would like to see Kemp become an everyday player either in CF or RF.

If Kent could be traded to Texas or Houston, whichever is closest to his home I would make that trade. I would move Nomar to third and live with it.

Tomko should be a one inning setup pitcher either pitching the 7th or resting Broxton for the 8th. Hendrickson should be a long middle reliever.

The players I would trade include Kent, Pierre, Betemit, Garciaparra, Tomko, Hendrickson, LaRoche, Ethier, Brazabon, Tsao, Martinez, Anderson, Saenz.

2007-06-20 08:51:16
305.   still bevens
Ok I looked at Bard's numbers and theyre pretty horrible. And this guy was battling 4th for the Padres part of the time.. yet somehow they manage to win all the time. I dont get it either, people.
2007-06-20 08:53:00
306.   D4P
According to Pythagoras, the Padres should win 105 games this year, the Dodgers 89.
2007-06-20 08:53:47
307.   Doctor
2007-06-20 08:53:49
308.   still bevens
298 SD's pitching is amazing then. I find it hard to believe that you can trot out Jose Cruz Jr, Termel Sledge, Russ Branyan, Josh Bard, and Khalil Greene out there on a regular basis and be expected to win 45 games.
2007-06-20 08:53:52
309.   ToyCannon
Probably the same way we've been winning with our 1,2, and 3 hitters being as dismal as they are. I think it's called pitching.
2007-06-20 08:57:28
310.   regfairfield
283 Really? That' upgrade to say the least.

282 You're right on. Gathright does nothing but run and they got J.P. Howell, who is a legitimate back of the rotation guy for him. Cantu, sure maybe they should have sold high on him but if you had a second baseman that hit 30 bombs for the league minimum, would you deal him? Seems like a hindsight move to me. Baldelli, I might have to agree on, but he's an amazing talent that's so hard to give up on.

The new Devil Rays management is playing their cards very well.

2007-06-20 08:58:20
311.   Bumsrap
The last time I looked Ankiel was hitting well at AAA.

If Miller were hurt could he be hitting 95+ MPH. Could there be anything scarier in baseball than hitting against Miller right now?

2007-06-20 09:05:14
312.   overkill94
282 I'm not sure if it's previous management or not, but I was talking about before the 2006 season when I made my point. Gathright was being bandied about for much better players than Howell, so while they still got something useful for him, they could have received someone better.

I realize their future looks bright now, but they still could have set themselves up better by dealing from a surplus they knew they were gonna have before the extra pieces of said surplus started losing their value.

2007-06-20 09:18:23
313.   JoeyP
Giants, Cubs, and Yankees have been the most un-luckiest teams in baseball.

Each team has won 5 less games than it should have.

Giants XWL--(35-35)

Cubs XWL--(37-32)

Yankees XWL--(40-28)

2007-06-20 09:18:53
314.   still bevens
Someone on Ducksnorts pointed out that whether Barrett is an upgrade or not, he's most likely going to produce a compensation pick in next years draft if he becomes a FA. I wish we had SD's front office brainpower sometimes.
2007-06-20 09:19:38
315.   Greg Brock
304 Abreu has been worse than Fredo Pierre this year (sample size caveat goes here). Lower batting average and on-base percentage. An extra double here and there saves him in the OPS argument.

I threw a ball to my nephew yesterday, and Abreu came over and swung at it. Two walks in 81 plate appearances is terrifying.

If folks will tell me that Abreu gets better, I'll buy in. Thus far, however, not a big fan.

2007-06-20 09:19:51
316.   JoeyP
SD's pitching is amazing then.

Thrown 11 shut outs and have a lower team ERA than the 2003 Dodgers.

2007-06-20 09:23:36
317.   Paul B
306 The adjusted standings over at Baseball Prospectus are a bit more hopeful. Derived from EQA and adjusted for strength of schedule, they project to 94 wins for the Padres and 90 for the Dodgers. (Assuming, of course, that I did my math right. Which is a big assumption.) Interestingly, they peg the Giants for third in the division, and the slot the Diamondbacks in last, citing the latter as most over-performing team in either league.

2007-06-20 09:24:31
318.   ToyCannon
Gathright was a roto favorite but no one in baseball thought he'd be anymore then a 4th outfielder. They did well to get a starting pitcher for him.
They might have traded Cantu high but he went down so fast that I'm sure many in baseball figured his power was diet fused and his only value was power because his plate discipline is about as bad as it gets and his defense at 2nd was as bad as it gets so his perceived value was not very high since no one was going to trade for him and play him at 2nd base.
Plus they only need to make one Kazmir for Zambrano trade a decade to get an A. They should have gotten more for Huff but it is not like he's really any good now is it.
Plus I kind of remember them trading that surplus(Lugo, Hendrickson, Baez, Carter) to some team but I can't quite remember who they were. Not like they have been sitting on their hands.
2007-06-20 09:26:19
319.   ToyCannon
When Ned traded for Lugo and netted a number one pick he was an idiot but SD has brain power? Go figure
2007-06-20 09:27:22
320.   Bluebleeder87

reading your 2 post, are you a Pads fan?? i hope i don't come off sounding like a jerk, i'm just curious.

IMO Michael Barrett can only hurt there pitching staff, but like somebody mentioned he has played 3rd in the passed so maybe they'll stick him over there.

2007-06-20 09:27:47
321.   MC Safety
im sure it is mentioned somewhere above, but the pads just got barrett? does that mean that they are kneeling at big z's knees?
2007-06-20 09:28:53
322.   MC Safety
314- yeah i was gonna look up his defensive stats, isnt he just horrible throwing guys out?
2007-06-20 09:29:44
323.   Bluebleeder87
I threw a ball to my nephew yesterday, and Abreu came over and swung at it.

Yup, that's Abreu alright. Hopefully Mueller will work with him, i got a nice chuckle out of that.

2007-06-20 09:29:57
324.   MC Safety
^^^ oops 314 should be 320. no java in the system yet!
2007-06-20 09:33:36
325.   Greg Brock
Abreu slugged .392 at Jacksonville last year.
Good Lord. Jacksonville is tough, but it ain't that tough.
2007-06-20 09:38:53
326.   Bluebleeder87
i'm just a dumb die hard Dodger fan but if they play Michael Barrett everyday as the catcher Home Depo & there front office is gonna lose some credibility in my book.
2007-06-20 09:41:12
327.   bluegold
Abreu, LaRoach, Betemit. Choose your poison. That's all we got, folks.
2007-06-20 09:41:24
328.   still bevens
320 No I was just looking at the fine print. At first the deal looked silly to me, but its a pretty decent upgrade at C offensively, and since the Padres manage to do so much with so little in that dept. it seems like a big deal. Its probably not, but I just get aggravated with SD's success. It seems like they win every day.
2007-06-20 09:43:21
329.   JoeyP
Has it been 10 days yet since Brady Clark was DFA'ed?

I'm wondering what the Dodgers, if anything, will get for him. Or what team he'll latch onto.

2007-06-20 09:43:55
330.   Bluebleeder87
Fred Roggin said Michael Barrett is a top 3 NL catcher, i just can't agree with that.
2007-06-20 09:47:16
331.   bluegold
"...I just get aggravated with SD's success. It seems like they win every day."

Exactly how I feel. They have Peavy/Young/Maddux. We have Penny/Lowe/???. Schmidt was supposed to be the ??? in order for us to match them. Now what?

2007-06-20 09:49:49
332.   Bluebleeder87

petco is not a hitters paradise so i don't think that logic works, yeah SD's success is hart burn to me, but we'll battle them a few more times this year & may the best team win.

2007-06-20 09:50:25
333.   still bevens
331 If Billinglsey pitches out of the rotation the way he did out of the pen, he can fill that gap I think. Also if Kuo finds consistency we should be in great shape. If our starters can keep the runs down to three or less, we win games.
2007-06-20 09:52:10
334.   Bluebleeder87
you know i just realized something, i got all pumped up for nothing, this trade is what ever to me now.
2007-06-20 09:54:23
335.   bluegold
333. "If our starters can keep the runs down to three or less, we win games."

Tell Lowe that.

That is my concern. We have to rely on "ifs." The Pads have no ifs in their pitching.

2007-06-20 09:57:38
336.   katysdad
Just saw that ESPN will be running an eight-week mini series on the Yankees ( starting in July. My first thought was that this is one more piece of evidence confirming the networks love of all things Yankees/Red Sox and should be avoided at all costs.

However, after viewing the website, it appears as if the show will center on the Billy Martin/Reggie Jackson Yankees.

That should be a very entertaining show, shouldn't it?

It also got me thinking: If ESPN were to run a mini series on the Dodgers, what era could be chosen? The 1950's Dodgers would seem a natural, but the team wasn't too controversial. I don't know that the Dodgers have any period of time that would be good television. You know, no controversy and the like.

2007-06-20 10:00:17
337.   Eric Stephen
330 I'd say at least Martin & McCann are ahead of Barrett. Here are the top NL catchers by OPS+ from 2005-present (minimum 400 PA):

McCann - 122 OPS+
Barrett - 111
Bard - 110
Martin - 106
Ja.Valentin - 101
LoDuca - 98

So offensively Barrett has been solid. It's the catching the pitchers and, you know, not fighting with teammates that downgrades him a little bit.

I'd still give thumbs up to this deal for San Diego. Bowen wasn't anything special, and it looks like the Cubs are including cash as part of the deal. Plus, they get a draft pick next year when Barrett leaves as a FA.

The Dodgers getting a draft pick for Lugo was good, but the Lugo part was awful. Conversely, Barrett looks to be a net gain for SD here.

2007-06-20 10:00:47
338.   MC Safety
330- after martin and mccann its not that deep. 3rd has to be between loduca, schneider, and barrett. maybe throw bengie in there for his offense.
2007-06-20 10:01:35
339.   MC Safety
wow looking at ops hes better than i thought.
2007-06-20 10:03:26
340.   Bob Timmermann
The 1950s Dodgers teams are probably the most famous of all decades. There has likely been more written about them in the mainstream press than you can ever read.

Or would you prefer a miniseries on the 1998 Dodgers?

Who would play Tripp Cromer?

2007-06-20 10:07:36
341.   Icaros
Who would play Tripp Cromer?

2007-06-20 10:07:49
342.   Humma Kavula
Prospect followers, who is Kyler Burke, the other player involved in this trade?
2007-06-20 10:10:40
343.   Dark Horse
335-The Padres don't have ifs in their pitching? They don't? David Wells is pretty darn iffy from where I sit, and Maddux this late in his career doesn't look much scarier to me than Randy Wolf. The rotations are pretty even. Sure, Peavy's a little tougher than Brad Penny, but he's gettable. That the Padres win with the team they field is exactly as mysterious--no more so--than the fact we do.
2007-06-20 10:10:50
344.   Eric Stephen
Barrett has thrown out only 20.4% of baserunners trying to steal since 2005 (49 out of 240), but the man he was replacing was even worse.

Bowen has thrown out only 11.4% of stealers (4 of 35) over the same period.

340 I'd pull Rob Morrow off the set of "The Jim Rome Story" to play Tripp Cromer.

2007-06-20 10:10:51
345.   Bluebleeder87
wow looking at ops hes better than i thought.

yeah, but like Eric said his defense, bone head plays & fighting with teammates down grades his value.

2007-06-20 10:11:19
346.   Humma Kavula
342 Answering my own question, he was the Padres #35 overall pick last year. In Low-A Ft Wayne this year, he has an OPS of 572. He is an outfielder.
2007-06-20 10:11:43
347.   bhsportsguy
Did anyone check what Barrett's contract is worth.

He will be a free agent at the end of 2007, this year he makes 4.4 million and since the deal contained no cash as far as I can tell, he will get approx. 2.5 million from the Padres.

Rob Bowen is a second year player who had the minimum contract, he is owed approx 210K.

2007-06-20 10:13:24
348.   katysdad
340 I think the '50s Dodgers would be great, but would be more of a documentery. In fact, I've seen several such pieces. But the Dodgers have not been "sexy" enough for a mini series over the years. Not much violence, wife swapping, etc.

The 1970's Athletics would be good for a mini series, and maybe the Cardinals Gas House Gang as well.

2007-06-20 10:15:38
349.   Eric Stephen
347 From today's San Diego Union-Tribune:

"San Diego also will get cash considerations in the deal."

Not sure of the amount, but it sounds like the Cubs wanted Barrett out of there pretty bad so I'm guessing the Padres aren't on the hook for much salary.

2007-06-20 10:16:30
350.   Humma Kavula
I have to say that if there were a documentary about the 2005 Dodgers, I would watch it. I think it would be very instructive as a cautionary tale.
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2007-06-20 10:21:48
351.   bigcpa
New Kevin Hench column on the Murray firing:

... Garciaparra, Rafael Furcal and the eternally overrated Juan Pierre have two home runs between them in 850 plate appearances. Wow. Would any hitting coach welcome the arrival of Pierre, the annual league leader in outs made, to his roster?

2007-06-20 10:22:57
352.   Eric Stephen
336,340 I'd do the 1993-94 Dodgers. Storylines:

1) Pedro emerging as a dominant reliever, and his impending trade
2) related to #1, The Jody Reed saga
3) Welcome to greatness, Mike Piazza
4) Welcome aboard, Raul Mondesi (and Billy Ashley and Henry Rodriguez!)
5) Sayonara, Darryl Strawberry
6) Jim Gott, karate kicking closer
8) You could probably have Cory Snyder tell an amusing anecdote about being on the 1987 SI Baseball Preview "Indians on the Warpath" cover

2007-06-20 10:23:40
353.   katysdad
You know, rethinking it a little, the 2004 Dodgers could make a good mini series. The Kent/Bradley flareup, the mid-season trade, the dramatic finish, Bradley's bottle-throwing meltdown. Was Lowe's affair exposed that year? If so, there's some off field, err, entertainment.
2007-06-20 10:28:43
354.   Vishal
speaking of elijah dukes, i don't know if anyone posted this, but here's a radio interview with him that's pretty amazing to listen to:
2007-06-20 10:30:26
355.   Greg Brock
351 I got into this argument about Pierre yesterday. It's the worst signing in team history. Dreifort, sure, was a terrible signing. But there was talent there, in between the injuries. Real, honest to goodness talent.

Five years for this guy was insane. Beyond insane. Colletti may be here for a good long while, but that deal, to me, will define his entire tenure. Absolutely crazy.

2007-06-20 10:33:44
356.   ToyCannon
So how do feel about our current and future CF?
2007-06-20 10:36:47
357.   Bumsrap
The quickest way to get Pierre out is to throw a strike.

The quickest way to get Abreu out is to not throw a strike.

That is a big difference and the latter is more ealily fixed.

2007-06-20 10:37:48
358.   Greg Brock
356 He's okay by me.

Ha ha.

2007-06-20 10:38:46
359.   Humma Kavula
Offered without comment:

Juan Pierre, last 10 games: .361/.425/.500

That's 13-for-36 with four walks, one 2B, and one 3B.

2007-06-20 10:40:17
360.   Bumsrap
359 - Good time to trade him.
2007-06-20 10:40:36
361.   Greg Brock
356 I know it gets repetitive. Sorry. I just had a prolonged argument about it yesterday and it bubbles up every once in a while.

I don't even comment about the dude during games.

2007-06-20 10:40:53
362.   Eric Stephen
354 I just listened to that Dukes interview. Wow! There is a lot of anger there. Time to search the Jerry Springer archive to see how many times Elijah Dukes has been a guest.
2007-06-20 10:48:41
363.   bhsportsguy
361 That's true, I have sat next to him twice at Chavez Ravine and nary a word.

But then he disappears for innings at a time claiming to make a call or get a drink. I think he's just pounding his head against the restroom wall.

Or looking for garlic fries, its hard to say.

2007-06-20 10:49:56
364.   Doctor
In Gready's "what have you done for me Yesterday" line-up philosophy, what are the chances Kemp plays and Anderson doesn't today?

Maybe Kemp over Ethier?

2007-06-20 10:54:26
365.   Humma Kavula
Salon's King Kaufman:

"As for the National League's best catcher, it's Martin, and second best is Walter Mondale."

As in: whoever is in second is so far behind Martin, the only comparable race is Reagan vs. Mondale in 1984.

2007-06-20 10:54:27
366.   Greg Brock
363 The sad thing is, I could see myself doing that. Head, meet wall.

The Elijah Dukes interview is awesome. That's the kind of crazy I can really get behind. Except for the domestic violence thing. That's really no good.

He's no Lisa Nowack.

2007-06-20 10:55:06
367.   Bluebleeder87
Gurnik "player to watch" says Seanz has good #'s against Roy Halladay
2007-06-20 11:01:45
368.   ToyCannon
I remember a Vin story about when Frank Howard used to play for the Dodgers. He said he used to have a great arm but that when he came up he struck out a lot. After each strike out unbeknownst to the staff he would sit down and repeatedly slam his elbow into the contract padding where he sat in the dugout. Eventually it had an effect on his elbow. At least that is how I remember the story.
2007-06-20 11:03:08
369.   Eric Stephen
368 Forget about Howard's elbow, he probably broke the wall in the dugout!
2007-06-20 11:03:54
370.   Greg Brock
What do you do with Elijah Dukes? Would anybody trade for him? Can you fix a grown man with that much going on upstairs? Can you play him and withstand the public scrutiny?

That is a completely untenable situation. I must just cut my losses and release the guy.

2007-06-20 11:04:58
371.   dkminnick
Wall Street Journal article on Bill James:

2007-06-20 11:08:57
372.   Eric Stephen
370 The only type of team that can have Dukes on their roster is a "nothing left to lose" type of team, like KC or Pittsburgh. The fan bases are already pretty fed up anyway. They could get Dukes on the cheap, then hope a change of scenery benefits him. If he goes nuts, release him. If not, you have some upside potential.

I actually think it would be funny if the Rockies got him, just to see Dukes attend the first group prayer meeting.

2007-06-20 11:12:17
373.   delias man
Why is the strike only an excuse in TOR and MTL? I cringe hearing that lame excuse that Steiner brought up again last night for poor attendance, and the demise of the franchises.
2007-06-20 11:16:43
374.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-06-20 11:19:12
375.   Bluebleeder87
Jonathan M. Meloan #'s as of today.

ERA 2.38
W-L 5-2
IP 34
BB Allowed 13
SO 50

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